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Speaker 1: We're doing today. Good.

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Speaker 2: I see everything you get. That's a great ship.

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Speaker 3: Just thinks.

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Speaker 2: So what happens out there? Talked about how battles and

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Speaker 2: last week and barely ragned.

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Speaker 4: So m hm, Well, you and Terry Francona were in

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Speaker 4: Boston at the same time and and kind of at

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Speaker 4: similar stages when you're when your teams were first winning championships.

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Speaker 4: Did you have what's your relationship with him?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, no, a great relationship with you. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: loved having him here. I'm a good relationship with all

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Speaker 2: the Ballston coaches early. But yeah, no, he was great

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Speaker 2: and very supportive and you know, down in and training

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Speaker 2: camp with him and spend spend a decent amount of

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Speaker 2: time with him.

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Speaker 1: I can try him met after you left. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's hard. But still got a lot of

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Speaker 2: loyalties here too, you know. But yeah, but no, I

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Speaker 2: love him.

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Speaker 1: He's great progress that you've seen to look you up,

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Speaker 1: that's one.

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Speaker 5: Then talking him off the See he's.

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Speaker 1: Out there, Jake, all three of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're out they're working hard every day getting better.

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Speaker 2: It's top position to play, a long way to go,

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Speaker 2: but they're improving.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot exactly used Bill Coopers this summer. But

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Speaker 5: have you seen that continue.

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Speaker 1: In the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a great off season, good training camp.

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Speaker 2: You know, he started this year healthy and last year

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Speaker 2: he missed all spring and then kind of I forget

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Speaker 2: when he started practicing somewhere in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: training camp mitalgu or something like that. So he's just

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Speaker 2: way ahead of worry. It was suppose he has all

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Speaker 2: last year under his belt, so as way ahead of

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Speaker 2: where it was last year. It's good out there.

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Speaker 1: At the other day, we bread down the Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: I graduated Jerry Jones and a lot of the Cowboys

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Speaker 5: staff personally.

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Speaker 2: He was Phil brand and someone that you have a

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Speaker 2: relationship with as well.

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Speaker 1: It's curious he passed away not too long ago.

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Speaker 5: It's on his legacy and what he meant to you

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Speaker 5: and what he means to what he meant to the

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Speaker 5: game of football.

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Speaker 2: It was time in Dallas. Yeah, Gil had a big

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Speaker 2: impact on both the college and the pro game. You know,

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Speaker 2: with Murchison, shram, Brandt and Landry and it was pretty

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Speaker 2: formidable operation they had down there. Twenty straight winning seasons

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Speaker 2: or whatever it was. It was a lot. You know,

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Speaker 2: Gil was a college scout. Uh, so I spent a

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Speaker 2: lot of time you know, with the draft college players

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Speaker 2: all the way. Even. I mean when I talk to

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Speaker 2: him a few weeks ago, he was asking about our

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Speaker 2: draft choices, you know. So and then of course that

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Speaker 2: goes back to my dad. You know, he was a

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Speaker 2: college coach and they had a relationship from you know,

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Speaker 2: Gil scouting and you know my dad and being a scout,

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Speaker 2: being a lot of games that Gil was at as

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Speaker 2: a looking at different things. But you know, so, so

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Speaker 2: I knew him through through my dad and uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: of course stall back down there and all that. Now,

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Speaker 2: when I got to Cleveland, you know, Micha Lombardi and

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with Gil just trying

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Speaker 2: to you know, get some insight from him on you know,

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Speaker 2: team building and so forth, other things that related to

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Speaker 2: the not the coaching side of it, but the scouting

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Speaker 2: side of it, the administrative side of it. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: when Gil stepped away from the Cowboys, then uh, you

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Speaker 2: obviously spent a lot of time with him at that point,

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Speaker 2: really going back over you know, scouting systems, grades, various

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Speaker 2: you know, other you know tips and so forth that uh,

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Speaker 2: he had Uh, I would say he was very great friend,

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Speaker 2: you know, a great person. Glad to obviously see him,

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Speaker 2: like guys like him and Bucco really are you know,

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Speaker 2: say the pillars of of pro scouting and college scouting.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Gil was one of those guys that,

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Speaker 2: you know, because he saw so many college games and

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Speaker 2: so many college teams, had a lot of influence with

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Speaker 2: college presidents on who to hire and so forth, because

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Speaker 2: he had seen all the college coaches and the coordinators

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Speaker 2: at other schools that you know, they weren't going to

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Speaker 2: get the head coach, but you know who's the up

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Speaker 2: and so forth, And you know, I know he had

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Speaker 2: a lot a lot of influence with you know, college president's,

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Speaker 2: college a d s that were you know, looking at

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Speaker 2: hire and outside of their circle, you know, who do

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Speaker 2: they really know? Maybe the guy's in their conference and

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Speaker 2: all that. But you know, Gil really was a national

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Speaker 2: national resource. So I'd say there was a period of

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Speaker 2: time there where he really, I don't want to say controlled,

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Speaker 2: college hiring process, and probably did all the way up till,

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Speaker 2: you know, till the end, because he was still very

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Speaker 2: well connected in those circles, not just the coaches, but ads,

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Speaker 2: college presidents, very very respected guy in all in all circles.

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Speaker 5: I think they've got father came from.

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Speaker 2: Probably everybody owed him something, Yeah, probably a lot more

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Speaker 2: than one with a one favor. Yeah, he helped out

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Speaker 2: a lot of people. I mean, I can't even I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't even be able to count the number of people

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Speaker 2: that he got jobs for, especially head coaching jobs, which

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Speaker 2: then that rolls into another you know how many people

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Speaker 2: they are, you know, eight, ten, whatever's on their staff.

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Speaker 2: I mean that just you know, it's a big ripple effect.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was like a tidal wave. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot of a lot of ripples in the water from

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Speaker 2: you know, wherever he landed.

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Speaker 1: Christian Balls is in defense of the few of the Monk.

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Speaker 5: I was just wondering what you've seen from him and

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Speaker 5: what's it like to see him get recognized.

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Speaker 1: So early on in his career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great for him, it's not really what we're

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Speaker 2: in it for, though, So I was trying to win games,

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Speaker 2: get better and of course getting the recognition like that

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Speaker 2: is probably it's a good sign things are going fairly well.

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Speaker 2: But there's still a lot to work on. Every week's

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Speaker 2: new challenge and so congratulations, but really are our goals

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Speaker 2: are different? You know, bigger than that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sound some snaps and pull that us. What kind

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Speaker 5: of treats you with Paul and me just inserting someone

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Speaker 2: Is part time basis what he's done it before, so

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Speaker 2: you know he's experienced with it before. So I know

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Speaker 2: some advantages to be in the backfield, there's some advantages

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Speaker 2: to being on the line of scrimmage. He can do

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Speaker 2: both and that gives us some flexibility and you know,

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Speaker 2: create some different blocking angles, blocking patterns, play actions from

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Speaker 3: Billy never to deal with a small standle of dear

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Speaker 3: after always lost the gigs where the Cardinals game Duc

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Speaker 3: struct Man so splits and evansively the ship did hope

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Speaker 3: they lost outs better players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'd be hard. A couple of tendency

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Speaker 2: based on one game. Sure, DQ did what he fell

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Speaker 2: his best, you know in the Arizona game. Whether that's

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Speaker 2: what he would do against US or not, I think

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Speaker 2: it's definitely too small as a sample. But Bland some

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Speaker 2: of a good for him, and they were gonna get

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Speaker 2: Lewis in there anyway, so you know, Lewis and Bland

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Speaker 2: we're gonna kind of Yeah, it looked like there was

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Speaker 2: some kind of competition with those guys at Star. You know,

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Speaker 2: Lewis was out, but he's now he's back and he's

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Speaker 2: been back for a couple of weeks. So I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think those are the four top corners, you know, Gilmour, Diggs, Bland, Lewis.

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Speaker 2: So those three of them are out there. I'd be

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Speaker 2: surprised for he overhaults of defense, I'll put that way.

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Speaker 2: That would shocked me.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen this defensive wall again badly as four years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely all well, you know in the NFC

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Speaker 2: we didn't see him too much, but you know Atlanta

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Speaker 2: twenty one in Dallas. Yeah, he's definitely changed some things

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Speaker 2: that he did from Atlanta. You know, coverage, standpoint, some fronts,

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Speaker 2: but you know we all have that's it's part of it.

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Speaker 2: He does a good job. Dan's a great job, thinks

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Speaker 2: a really good coach.

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Speaker 5: Mike Mcarthy's still there, but different coordinator. You sing big,

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Speaker 5: different from Dak rustic.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I think Dak's talked about his game. I think his

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Speaker 2: comments are pretty more relevant than mine. All right, good,

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Speaker 2: all right, thank you,