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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight at iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Thursday, December eleventh, and we

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Speaker 2: are so psyched to be with you tonight. It's Thursday,

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Speaker 2: December eleventh, and we have a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 2: Accused shooter of Charlie Kirk appeared in court in person

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Speaker 2: for the very first time today. So much to unpack

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Speaker 2: there the trial of accused wife killer Brian Walsh. It

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Speaker 2: continues shocking new twist today though, so buckle up and

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Speaker 2: new details emerge about the arrest of accused healthcare CEO

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Speaker 2: shooter Luigi Mangioni. That pre trial does not seem to

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Speaker 2: be ending anytime soon, and also the investigation into the

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Speaker 2: love Remember they had that huge jewelry heist back in October.

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Speaker 2: Now we're seeing what the mistakes were in protocol behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes that allowed that to actually happen. So, ladies,

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to see you. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here

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Speaker 2: with Courtney Armstrong. Body, move in. We have producer Taha

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Speaker 2: with us, and of course Sam and Adam are in

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Speaker 2: the control room waiting to hear from you. Eight eight

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Speaker 2: eight to three one crime or again. You could always

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Speaker 2: leave us a talkback. You guys have been great about them,

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Speaker 2: and listen. We know it's a crazy busy time. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you guys are feeling it. We are as well.

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Speaker 2: The holidays are upon us and although it's so merry,

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Speaker 2: it can also be a little frazzling. So settle in

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Speaker 2: and welcome to the safe zone. Body, where do you

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Speaker 2: want to begin?

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Speaker 3: Well, closing arguments are going to start beginning tomorrow in

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Speaker 3: the Brian wallstrial. This is pretty stunning actually, so try arguments. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: listen to this right. The trial today for the accused

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Speaker 3: mass stitutes its wife killer Brian Walsh, his defense attorneys

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Speaker 3: concluded their case in chief without calling a single witness. Wow, No,

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Speaker 3: they didn't call anyone. They had nothing to present. Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 3: For those who aren't who don't know, he's charged with

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Speaker 3: killing his wife on A Walsh on New Year's Day

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. Brian Walsh has admitted to dismembering

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Speaker 3: her and lying to investigators, but he is contesting the

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Speaker 3: first degree murder allegation. Brian Walsh's legal team maintains that

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Speaker 3: he did not kill his wife on a Walsh, arguing

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Speaker 3: instead that she died of sudden, unexplained death in bed. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so he chose not to test Brian Walsh chose not

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Speaker 3: to testify today in his murder trial, and attorneys rested

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Speaker 3: their case Thursday morning this morning without presenting a single

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Speaker 3: shred of evidence, like nothing. According to Judge Diane for Near,

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Speaker 3: this marked a shift in the defense's approach. During a

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Speaker 3: sidebar yesterday, the defense attorneys had all indicated that Brian

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Speaker 3: Walsh planned to take the stand.

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Speaker 4: So this was shocking. Well, I kind of have an idea.

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Speaker 2: But I just.

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Speaker 3: And then and then we'll get into like some ideas

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Speaker 3: like maybe like why this happened, because remember this was yesterday.

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Speaker 3: He was going to take the stand and then those

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Speaker 3: witnesses testified and he isn't now okay, So keep that

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Speaker 3: in mind. So when the judge asks again today whether

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Speaker 3: or not the fifty year old defendant was still you know,

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Speaker 3: going to testify, his defense attorneys replied that he would not,

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Speaker 3: adding that the defense would present no case at all.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy?

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Speaker 3: So they the judge of course, had a confirm this

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Speaker 3: with you know, the defendant Brian Walsh, and Brian Walsh said,

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Speaker 3: I will not testify. So moments after the jury entered

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Speaker 3: the courtroom this morning, Judge Forrenir dismissed them for the day.

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Speaker 3: Jurors are scheduled to return tomorrow morning for closing arguments.

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Speaker 2: Which I'm very excited about.

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Speaker 3: I love closing arguments and trying and Judge Forrenier's instructions

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Speaker 2: So what's the logic behind the strategy? Okay, stuff go okay?

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Speaker 2: I have a theory. First of all, I was desperate

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Speaker 2: completely sealed his fate. So good strategy, and he was

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Speaker 2: probably told to take it down a notch because he

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Speaker 2: an optics perspective. I'm sure his mother loves him. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure many people do. Clearly Anna did at one point

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Speaker 2: a trial is like a stage that I don't think

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Speaker 2: Anna's best friend took the stand, and based on your

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Speaker 2: great coverage, body, I went last night. I couldn't sleep,

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Speaker 2: so just, first of all, thank you, But second of all,

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Speaker 2: She had such a sparkle in her eyes and it

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Speaker 2: is so terrible that this happened to her, and my

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Speaker 5: So I think maybe the best friend.

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Speaker 3: Got in his head, Oh you think, Okay, here's what

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Speaker 3: I think. It does have to do with the best friend,

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Speaker 3: but it's a totally different thing. I think. You know,

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Speaker 3: one of the defense's things is, you know, Brian Walsh

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Speaker 3: didn't even know about the affair. Why would that anger

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Speaker 3: him enough to kill her? Right? Well, you know, if

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Speaker 3: you remember, she her best friend testified yesterday and by

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Speaker 3: the way, she was the last person on the stand, right,

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Speaker 3: so she's the last person the jurors are going to remember.

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Speaker 3: And she got on the stand. Her name was Alyssa Kirby.

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Speaker 3: She said that Anna Walsh had a crush on Fasto,

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Speaker 3: which the accused Brian killer Walsh was aware of. But

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Speaker 3: Alyssa Kirby testified she did not know about the affair,

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Speaker 3: only that they were friends. So I'm kind of wondering, listen,

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Speaker 3: Like even her best friend didn't think that she was

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Speaker 3: having an affair. Why would you know? I think that's

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Speaker 3: feel like them not presenting a case at all is

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Speaker 3: kind of like saying silently like this is so nonsensical

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Speaker 5: Well that's what Diddy kind of did.

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Speaker 2: Also, you know at his trial he sort of brought

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Speaker 2: very little to the table as well. He didn't have

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Speaker 2: I don't have to prove myself right, That isn't Actually

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Speaker 2: his job as the defendant is to you know, give

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Speaker 6: But I actually thought in Ditty's case that that the

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Speaker 6: defense team, that Didy's legal counsel did an unbelievably thorough

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Speaker 5: Sit back and say we've done it all.

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Speaker 6: In this case, I almost I think, not the opposite exactly,

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Speaker 6: but it's almost like everyone that the defense would put

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's like, how could this layman, alleged killer Brian Walsh

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Speaker 6: diagnose it? How can you as counsel stand up there

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Speaker 2: Holes to be put or there was just but their

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Speaker 2: job was only to throw out a bunch of holes

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Speaker 2: to that extent exactly, know what, Like, you know, thinking

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Speaker 2: of the Diddy trial, how about that video that he

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Speaker 2: played of all of his good deeds? Did he can

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Speaker 2: you imagine Walsh Q used wife killer Brian Walsh whipped

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Speaker 2: out you know, all the merry times of yesteryear between

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Speaker 2: he and Anna, or him holding his babies for the

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Speaker 3: You know how strange is They showed a photo in

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Speaker 3: court of Anna wearing like this puffy jacket, and the

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Speaker 3: blur out her face.

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Speaker 2: Was that the case for all photos presented with her?

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Speaker 3: So weird And I don't know why. If you happen

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Speaker 3: to know, leave us a talk back on the Iarheart

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Speaker 3: radio app. Just download it, hit the microphone, leave us

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Speaker 3: talk back. I don't know why they blurred out her face,

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Speaker 3: Like shouldn't the jury see the victim?

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes they think that the beautiful, loving face also

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Speaker 2: can move a jury. That's why sometimes jurors aren't allowed

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Speaker 2: to see crime scene photos because they're so difficult to

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Speaker 2: look at. It's impossible to not associate that with a crime.

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Speaker 3: The judge agree to that I really love maybe maybe

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Speaker 3: she really is. I did some like cursory research on

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Speaker 3: that today and there were just a bunch of people

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Speaker 3: So I just don't know why they would have blurred

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Speaker 7: But I think it could be as simple as the

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Speaker 7: reason they this is going back to why they didn't

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Speaker 7: put Brian, you understand, is because you know it's something

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Speaker 7: as simple as like, ask them a few questions about

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Speaker 7: those searches, and I think you could slip and accidentally

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Speaker 7: say the wrong thing quick and easily.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Absolutely, they can't come back from those searches.

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Speaker 5: Reminds her, Yeah, what were some of those searches?

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Speaker 8: Body?

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Speaker 5: Does anybody remember.

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Speaker 7: To think the worst thing to think of?

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Speaker 5: Like, how long?

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Speaker 3: How long does my wife have to be missing for

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Speaker 3: me to get her inheritance?

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Speaker 6: Starts to smell, Yeah, my my wife is dead. We

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Speaker 6: share a credit card? Can I start spending today?

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Speaker 4: How do you dismember a body?

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Speaker 6: Murder?

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Speaker 4: Like just insane things.

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Speaker 3: But I mean it's really rare that defendants testify on

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Speaker 4: What's shocking to me?

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Speaker 10: At all.

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Speaker 2: Is that the defense to put it on a.

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Speaker 3: That's the piece that's like, whoa, that's kind of insane

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Speaker 3: to me. But there's a lot of reasons why a

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Speaker 3: defense team might not call witnesses, And it could be

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Speaker 3: that the witnesses could hurt the case, like if they

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Speaker 3: have a bad record, or they're unreliable risk to your point, Courtney,

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Speaker 3: opening doors to damaging info on Cross, you know, because

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Speaker 3: some of these witnesses could just collapse in on themselves

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Speaker 3: right on Cross, or the defense strategy relies solely on

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Speaker 3: poking holes in the prosecution's case, just like you said,

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Speaker 3: stuff right, So you know, reasonable doubt is a really

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Speaker 3: important piece of the puzzle here, and there's nobody there's

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Speaker 3: no you know, if a juror is, if one juror

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Speaker 3: is like you know, meybe she did die suddenly, right,

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Speaker 3: They just have to keep putting that out there, right.

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Speaker 2: Previous health issues. Maybe she's had her exhaustion, she's been

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Speaker 2: Her husband is going off to jail soon for fraud,

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Speaker 2: they could have explained a lot of things away. My

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Speaker 7: So do you think this move by the defense now

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Speaker 3: What's interesting to me though, is that the defense was

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Speaker 4: How do they know? How are they able to say that?

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Speaker 3: And they don't know he pled guilty to dismembering her.

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Speaker 5: Does it for me? That's a good reminder.

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Speaker 2: So even the jury currently that's been hearing all of

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Speaker 7: The body as far as I know, Yes, But then

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Speaker 7: what's the logic when they're hearing him, hearing all this

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Speaker 4: I don't think they know that he pled guilty.

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Speaker 7: Oh, that he pled guilty to it.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because you would think you see that last I

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Speaker 3: Right, I just affirmed, Wow, the judge will not be

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Speaker 4: That is huge ruling.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so that actually changes a lot because then the

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Speaker 2: Those searches, though, the searches, the endless searches, and the

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Speaker 3: Maybe get I think he could be advantageous to the

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Speaker 4: He's not offering a defense on why he bought the stuff.

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Speaker 6: Oh right, Well, we will be following this and stick

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Speaker 6: day six of the Luigi man Gioni hearing and later

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Licker here with

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Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and Body move in and listen this. Brian Walsh,

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Speaker 2: arguments are tomorrow, and just based on what we're hearing

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Speaker 2: today now, I feel all kinds of confused about this

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Speaker 5: We definitely want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Also, Luigi Mangioni is still in court, and it's so

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Speaker 2: relevant even just we're talking about the Brian Walsh case

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Speaker 5: So we all know that Brian.

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Speaker 2: Walsh, the accused wife killer, has pled guilty to dismembering

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Speaker 10: Saved by suspicious shopping issue on the sall that is

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Speaker 10: very true, and his I think there was some of

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Speaker 2: They also know that they know that there were some

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Speaker 2: now here we are with Luigi Mangioni, and the same

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Speaker 5: Right, how many things.

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Speaker 2: Can we keep out of the site of the jurors

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Speaker 2: when he does, in fact go to trial. You know,

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Speaker 2: I guess we are seeing how confusing that could be.

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Speaker 2: What do you think? I know you've been following this

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Speaker 8: Today?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, today is day six of the pre trial evidentiary

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Speaker 6: hearing for Luigi Mangioni, and it seems like there's not

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Speaker 6: an end in sight super quick. It will continue until

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Speaker 6: next week unless things change. So Mangioni is the twenty

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Speaker 6: seven year old he's been charged with murdering United Healthcare

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Speaker 6: CEO Brian Thompson. This happened last year in December, in

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Speaker 6: higher ranking police officers who responded to the Altoona, Pennsylvania

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Speaker 6: so interesting. The day began with Mangioni's defense team arguing

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Speaker 6: releasing the CTV Excuse me, CCTV footage that shows the

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Speaker 2: You may remember that, oh suddenly you have a little cough.

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Speaker 2: actually a very cute coffer. She also sneezes like she does,

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Speaker 5: And she goes had chewy.

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Speaker 2: Is that just I do the same thing you do.

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Speaker 2: You doable little coughs and sneezes.

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Speaker 5: I like a hot mess.

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Speaker 2: Yes, your little nuggets were.

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Speaker 5: Exactly Everyone take your vitamin C.

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Speaker 6: So it was the cc TV footage that was really

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Speaker 6: the botched arrest of man defense team's words, Judge kept

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Speaker 5: Road to get there. Wow.

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Speaker 6: So the higher ranking officer is Lieutenant William Hannily, and

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Speaker 6: allegedly Luigi Maggioni, and also continued to say that this

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Speaker 6: So Lieutenant Hansley testified that at that point on the

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Speaker 5: No way that we have him.

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Speaker 6: And this higher ranking lieutenant texted that patrolman what he

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Speaker 6: Jarrett Farantino laid laid that out as a real possibility.

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Speaker 5: And then once.

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Speaker 6: Mangione was taken into custody, Lieutenant Handley called back New

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Speaker 2: In January no, no, yeah, we're gonna have to wait.

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Speaker 2: I am so pins and needles, are you kidding? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: What's that?

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Speaker 7: I'm just wondering why so far? Maybe is because of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the holidays just slow everything up. Think about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, things close, it's shut down, you have to

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Speaker 5: There's juries and all kinds of stuff. The holidays screw

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and also, you know, I think the judge also

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Speaker 2: Upon this, and this still could be considered a death

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Speaker 2: it did appear that we were going to see death

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Speaker 5: But I haven't heard much about that since, well, this

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Speaker 2: Understood, understood, Wow, this is the state case, but that

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Speaker 4: You always come up with these really questions.

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Speaker 5: I want to go to law school.

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Speaker 2: Because if you I'm just going to whis is why

442
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: This is because there's for sure a very smart lawyer listening.

443
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: So please give us the info. If these are the

444
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 2: state charges that are being disputed, and this evidence is

445
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: removed from the jurors vision when they finally do hear

446
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: this case, that some of this key information will not

447
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: be available. Okay, if he's found maybe not guilty on

448
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: the state charges, he's still going to be charged federally.

449
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: Is it just a whole new round of this or

450
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: does one not impact the other.

451
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 3: Or are they different charge like the remember he had

452
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: those terrorism charge. Yeah, exactly, those were dropped. I don't

453
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: I'd like to know. Yeah, I don't know.

454
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 7: That's a good one for Jared. Yes, he's charged with

455
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 7: second degree murder and multiple weapon offenses in New York State,

456
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 7: but separate federal prosecution where the death families.

457
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 3: He's also tr in Pennsylvania.

458
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, so the first smaller crimes and the giving fake ID,

459
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 6: carrying that weapon.

460
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: Some of that though, But it's not a life sentence

461
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: and certainly it's not death.

462
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 5: Wow. Yeah, sorry to bring up a question that we

463
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 5: don't have the answer to, but we will. We will

464
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 5: get the answer.

465
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: We can't know everything that is so true.

466
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: You guys kind of do know everything though, so I'm

467
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: actually pretty safe on that.

468
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 6: As of this was about two and a half weeks ago.

469
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 6: Federal prosecutors put in a new court filing.

470
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Speaker 5: This is on.

471
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 6: The federal side obviously, and defended the government's decision to

472
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 6: seek the death penalty against Luigimanngioni and said that even

473
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 6: though because the federal case had a lot of hay

474
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 6: made about it because of some things that Pam Bondi

475
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 6: I believe had said about him that were inflammatory, right,

476
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 6: and said that.

477
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: Is an issue in the Tyler Robinson case as well.

478
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: What you're going to get to, which waiter, Yeah, yeah, yes,

479
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: I mean you know that you have government officials making

480
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: prejudicial statements about defendants. It's not a good thing because

481
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: it's used in their defense. It's used in their defense.

482
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: You can't, you know, I mean you can, you certainly

483
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: can do you know, say things, but gotta be careful.

484
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 5: Wow, you gotta be careful.

485
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: And if Luigi Mangioni walks, I don't think there's no

486
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: I don't.

487
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 4: I really don't think that's going to happen.

488
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think that the search of the

489
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: backpack was reasonable, you know, I do think that the

490
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 3: judge is going to rule that the search was you

491
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: know fine, and yeah they an event and like Jared

492
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: said last night, they would have found it eventually at

493
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: the station when he was being processed.

494
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 5: It was inevitable.

495
00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: It was inevitable.

496
00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: He gave them a fan.

497
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 5: That's so true.

498
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: You always wonder, do you guys ever wonder what they're thinking.

499
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: So now here's Luigi Mangioni. He's in court every day.

500
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: He's putting on real fresh clothes. He's, you know, looking

501
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: like a presentable young man as opposed to being in

502
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: his prison clothes and what we know to be a

503
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: pretty bad location. I mean where he's being housed currently,

504
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: you know, according to Diddy in many other inmates have

505
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: said it's very tough conditions. Does he go back there

506
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: at night thinking this is it I'm going to get out?

507
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 10: Like?

508
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: Does he Does he feel hopeful or is he feeling regretful?

509
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 5: Is he sad? Does his bad hurt?

510
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 3: I think Luigi's a very smart guy. I mean, he

511
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: was a valedictorian, he went to a really great school,

512
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: he had a good job, he was a programmer.

513
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a dumb guy.

514
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: I just so I don't see him actually putting a

515
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: lot of faith into this argument. I think the argument

516
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: has to be made or you know, the legit. It's

517
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: a you know, it could be a Fourth Amendment violation.

518
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: It certainly could be, and I'm certainly no judge. I

519
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: just don't think that it's going to be.

520
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 6: Wow.

521
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: I can't help but think of his parents, you know what,

522
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: there must be writing, you know, and then and of course,

523
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: you know Brian Thompson's family, are they going to go

524
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: to the trial.

525
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 5: I'm just so curious about it.

526
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: I want to know why he left that backpack full

527
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: of monopoly money. I cannot get over this.

528
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: Well, he's going to want to speak at some point,

529
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: because it was so performative all of I said.

530
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: It was like the Riddler was on the loose, like

531
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: it's going on. You know, there were these bullets with

532
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: the writing on it, the monopoly money, and the backpack,

533
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 3: and then he gets caught in a little town in

534
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania eating hash browns. It's just so not what I

535
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: was thinking about this person when he was on the run, right, So,

536
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: like I was literally expecting like a super villain of

537
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: some kind of you know whatever, and then when he

538
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: was arrested and he made that remember him in Altuona

539
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: at the the Blair County Courthouse, I believe it was,

540
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: and he's you know, he was like, the American people

541
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: are sick and type whatever he said it was.

542
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: I can't remember ad at that point, and I.

543
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: Was like, yeah, you know, I remember being like, yeah, dude,

544
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: because what he said was really profound, I believe. And

545
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: then you know, he's making these really weird arguments about

546
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 3: his fourth I don't know, I'm just disappointed.

547
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, when he was being the moment

548
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: that you're speaking of, what did you say exactly?

549
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 5: It was something like.

550
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: The American people, this is the biggest scam and right ruh.

551
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: And he seemed at that point like he had completely

552
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: had a psychotic break And frankly, that's a little bit

553
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: where the case kind of fell off for me, where

554
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is just a person who's

555
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: having a severe mental breakdown and this is kind of

556
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: the aftermath of that. But then that kind of fizzled out.

557
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: He seems pretty okay and buttoned up right now.

558
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: So he said this is completely unjust in an insult

559
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: to the intelligence of the American people and their lived experience,

560
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: and he screamed it and they were like slamming them

561
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: up against the wall and it was at the mouth. Yeah,

562
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: and you know, it kind of riled me up a

563
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: little I'm not gonna lie, it riled me up a

564
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: little bit. I was like, yeah, fight for the people,

565
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? But healthcare, yeah, just in general.

566
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: But now I'm just like, h okay, you're not. If

567
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: he would have been like, listen, yeah, I did it,

568
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: and here's why. Da da da da da da da

569
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: da da da da da, I'd be like, okay, I

570
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: can hear this, you know, bring it on. But now

571
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I just I don't know, I've

572
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: lost respect.

573
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: I feel like, you don't like that he's trying to

574
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: have it both ways.

575
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: If I boiled correct, you're absolutely you can't. What's the saying,

576
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: you can't eat your cake? And habit too but too

577
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: right back to the UNI.

578
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, full circle man one manifesto away from.

579
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: And then yeah, and then his manifesto was just like

580
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: the targeted healthcare, it just was kind of junk, you know,

581
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: And listen, I'm not a fan of like, you know,

582
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: attacking people on the street.

583
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: By any stretch of the imagination.

584
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: But you know, when when he was on the run

585
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: and all this was happening with the bullets and the

586
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: monopoly money and the manner, you know, in your mind

587
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: is running wild, like what is going on?

588
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: What's happening? This is like an assault on corporations? Oh

589
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 4: my god, my god.

590
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 3: And then they just get this guy. Yeah, he's not

591
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: He's just like cowering in the corner.

592
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 11: Now.

593
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: I feel, I don't know, I'm very disappointed that he's

594
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: not standing up.

595
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: Standing up totally fair.

596
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: Later in the show, I mean, come on, we have

597
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson for the first time appearing in court in

598
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: the Charlie Kirk assassination that we all witnessed. But first

599
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: we're going to go straight toward talk that.

600
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 8: Good morning everyone.

601
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 12: Just been listening to your updates on Brian Coburger with

602
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 12: the bananas. I really just think he wants to keep

603
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 12: his name out there, and you know, as I said,

604
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 12: no one ewing before all of this just really irritates

605
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 12: me that he's complaining, what's he think it's a straight

606
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 12: the hotel, full staff, five staff.

607
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, he needs to be put where Giley

608
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: Maxwell is being put he thinks it's a hotel.

609
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: I guess yeah.

610
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: I do think it's a combination of him wanting attention,

611
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: and I think it's three things. He wants attention, he

612
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: wants control, and this arpid, this this eating disorder that

613
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: he's got. I think it's a combination of all three

614
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: of those things.

615
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, let's not underestimate what a big

616
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: transition this has been. Remember for this entire time before

617
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: he actually pled, prior to that, he was being held

618
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: by himself in this like weird courthouse underneath in like

619
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: his own little jail. So he kind of had a

620
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: good thing going. He could watch TV through the you know,

621
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: through the bars.

622
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: You know, he kind of knew everybody.

623
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: He probably was probably maybe the only person that was

624
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: being housed in that particular location. We were always surprised

625
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: that he was there for as long as he was.

626
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: Now cut too, he's essentially on death row or as

627
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: close as.

628
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: You as close to it as you can be, right,

629
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 3: and they don't have death row.

630
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: I look this up.

631
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: They don't have like a death row in Idaho.

632
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: Interesting, so he is that's why he's with Chad daybel

633
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: Of course, Chad Day Bell is on death row is

634
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: any but he's being housed in the same block, So

635
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: I was like, why is he with Chad Dabell.

636
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: So that's how I know that. I was like, Oh, they.

637
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: Don't really have like a death row scenario, but J

638
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: Block at this facility is as close to like a

639
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: traditional death row that you can get.

640
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

641
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 6: And by the way, if you hadn't heard us speak

642
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 6: about it before the ar FID that Body mentioned as

643
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 6: a potential reason for murderer Brian Kolbert going to be

644
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 6: complaining about bananas and that they are not up to

645
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 6: his standard.

646
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 5: They're not the kind of an and as he wants.

647
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 6: It's the whole complaint, and it's an avoidant restrictive food

648
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 6: intake disorder.

649
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 5: So it is a it is a real thing.

650
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: It is how a real thing.

651
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: However, Yeah, he's not at a three, four or five

652
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 6: star hotel, right, he's in cell Blockjay.

653
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 7: Bananas factor until Body brought that up, But that feels

654
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 7: that clicked for me. That seems a little logical. This

655
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 7: is my one way of now control. I can control

656
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 7: this whole scenario. So I think that's an interesting way

657
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 7: of looking at it. But yeah, anyway, it definitely resonated

658
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 7: with a lot of our listeners, because we actually have

659
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 7: another one.

660
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 13: Brian Colbert Dephanie, it's Devin from Toronto. You've gone way

661
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 13: too soft on Brian Coberger, Like, if you didn't want

662
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 13: to deal with other inmates in jail, maybe you shouldn't

663
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 13: have murdered a bunch of fennis and kids. I understand

664
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,479
Speaker 13: mental health difficulties, obviously, we all deal with them.

665
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: But you reap what you saw.

666
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I totally agree. My old brother said the

667
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: same thing. And by the way, I blame body. It

668
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: was the body move in my my beautiful body. She's

669
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: so smart and she's so convincing that she basically told

670
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: me that I was being too tough.

671
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 5: And I heard, I did.

672
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: Not know, but you were. You were very clear about Listen,

673
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: this person has been you know, they're in the prison system,

674
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: and this is what are the expectations of our American

675
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: prison system. And I actually got some like real kickback too.

676
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: I guess I forget what we were talking about. It

677
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: must have been about when he was complaining about vegan food,

678
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: and I guess I was a little hot and bothered

679
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: by that, and I got some like basically into a

680
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: disagreement at the grocery store online with a woman discussing it.

681
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: Did really tell me about this, so I realized I

682
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: was like scared.

683
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: Maybe I got scared. Straight, I'm like, okay, fine, give

684
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: him the damn bananas.

685
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

686
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: So, and it is, you know, there is some truth

687
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: to the fact that I do struggle now that there's

688
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: been some distance, and that I'm personally less in the

689
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: beehive of all things tonight to ho I mean living in,

690
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: breathing it twenty four hours a day, whether it was

691
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: on the podcast or making the documentary, And man, I

692
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: was just I felt so angry, really angry, and you know,

693
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: really on behalf of the victims' families, not of personally, but.

694
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 5: It really twisted me up. And it's hard to imagine that.

695
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: You know, people can complain in prison to your point,

696
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, this is what happens when you murdered

697
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: for people, you should do that and as a result,

698
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: the conditions aren't going to be great.

699
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: So get over yourself, right, And I don't want people

700
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: to get the wrong idea like I am by no

701
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: means a simp for Brian Koberger by any stretch of

702
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: the imagination, But if if Stephanie had committed a horrendous

703
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: crime and went to prison, they wouldn't be serving her,

704
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, gluten food. You know what I mean, she's

705
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: you Celiac disease. You have to, like you be careful

706
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: and ar fid. It's not Celiacs, but it is. It's

707
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: a disorder. It's a legitimate disorder. And because we in

708
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: the United States of America are the best country in

709
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: the world, and we have developed this prison system to

710
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: you know, punish people who commit you know, horrendous crimes

711
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: and sometimes even reform those people. We have to treat

712
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: them as human beings.

713
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can have all the bananas. Well, here's the thing.

714
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: I don't care what kinds of bananas he gets, right,

715
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: that's my you know what I mean, Like the banana

716
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: thing that's too far.

717
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 7: Unless the banana like you're saying, like he can't swallow

718
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 7: it because.

719
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: Like a harder beginning fan, right, right, But even then

720
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: get a little hungry.

721
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: I hear you.

722
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: Even Courtney's like rolling her eyebrows. Now I feel riled

723
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: of me too. Yeah, no, have cookies, Yeah no, I

724
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 2: mean I really do hear the points, and I struggle

725
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: a little bit with two aides and prisons, and like

726
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: part of me is like, I don't know that I

727
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: want to care, and then I sort of get in

728
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: prison head and then.

729
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 5: I start to overcare. So yes, I totally hear you.

730
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: I promise I'm not getting soft, but I am softening

731
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: and I'm going to put my armor back on.

732
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it is.

733
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 3: I just think it's an interesting it's an interesting discussion, though,

734
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: I did.

735
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 7: And I go back and forth, much like you, Stephanie.

736
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 7: I go back and forth each day. Like I was

737
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 7: just watching a documentary, The Alabama Solution.

738
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

739
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 7: Sometimes when I see the inside and horrific conditions of prisons,

740
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 7: then I start to go another direction.

741
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, in my.

742
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: Head, I watched the same I think that moved me,

743
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: that that particular documentary I just watched that recently. I

744
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: don't think you's so.

745
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: Entrenched in an idea and like an opinion about something

746
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: that you're not able to sweat but you're immovable. Yeah,

747
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 3: otherwise you're going to break if you're too stiff. You

748
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: need to be able to bend.

749
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 9: Yeah.

750
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 6: And there's shades of gray with all this, right, And

751
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 6: we were talking the other night about we all have

752
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 6: our different lines about different I mean, this is all

753
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 6: humans in almost every situation, and you know they can

754
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 6: move and shift and shook as we gather more information.

755
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: I agree. You think about you know, so many families.

756
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: We talked about Brian Walsh's family, or we talked about

757
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: Anna Walsh's family, rather on his family. It's almost Christmas,

758
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: you know, these are the you know, it's coming up

759
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: on an anniversary.

760
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 5: She died, you know, somewhere around.

761
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: New Year's Day, right, you know, we think about the

762
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Idaho four and Kaylee and Maddie and Dana and Ethan

763
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: and you know at this time their families are suffering

764
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: so much. You know, it's it's not easy. You know,

765
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: remember Ethan Chapin when he was a triplet. You know,

766
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: like there's a hole that can never be replaced and

767
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, an empty seat at the table. So please

768
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: don't mistake my softening to eating habits in prison to

769
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: my disdain.

770
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, we act Brian Colberger day.

771
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: He needs to be allocated in allocution, really do. And

772
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 2: it's going to anything prior is not okay.

773
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: I think it's going to happen, and I think it's

774
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: going to happen within the next seven to ten years,

775
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: I think he's going to fade off into the sunset.

776
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 3: He's going to you know, want to control a narrative

777
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: of some some way. And within the next seven to

778
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: ten years, I think he's gonna either talk to somebody

779
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: like doctor Katherine Ramsland or you know something. I think

780
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: he's going to out he I think he's gonna he's

781
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 3: gonna spill the beans and candidly.

782
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: And we'll talk about this at different time because it's

783
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: for a different project. But you know, I have connected

784
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: with a family member of his and it did shape

785
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: my thoughts as well. You know're just so heartbroken also, oh,

786
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, and they're heartbroken for their victims. You know,

787
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: it's it's it's an situation.

788
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: You know, people who commit these kinds of crimes, we

789
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: often forget their family. And I think that is an

790
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: interesting discussion to have, right, because they're secondary victims of

791
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 3: some kind as well, right.

792
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: Exactly, And they don't even given permission to grieve either

793
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: now right, and everything they know is now different too,

794
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: because they loved this.

795
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 6: Person and their lives are largely decimated, the absolutely changed

796
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 6: forever and shrouded in not only you know, secondary guilt,

797
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 6: not even just victimhood, but it's it's really it's it's terrible.

798
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 6: It must be tough to survive.

799
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: I mean, but what's the bottom line here, though, is

800
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: is that you know the victims in the Idaho case

801
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: for instance, you know Ethan, Xanna, Maddie and kay Lee,

802
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: they can't be called, they can't be you know, there's Brian.

803
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: Brian's parents and sisters can call him and talk to

804
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: him and.

805
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: Speaks fair, totally, fair, totally. I think they would agree

806
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: with that distinction. I think they would too, And.

807
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: I think you know what's sad is that can't they

808
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: can't even come out and say that because they're just

809
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: going to get vilified exactly no matter what they do it.

810
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: I had a very loving home, which is what makes

811
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: this tea so hot. Yeah, that's like the Luigi Mangioni

812
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: piece of it too, Like you want to find something

813
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: to be like, well, that's why they didn't.

814
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 5: You know, we see the.

815
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: Alien doc you know, of Eileen the female serial killer,

816
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: and you look at her childhood you're like, well, I

817
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: mean one plus one equals too, right, Like this is

818
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: the worst possible childhood. She didn't have a fight and

819
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: chance in hell she's repeating historical trauma.

820
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, that all tracks. And then you get these outliers.

821
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: Of these young men who come from even Tyler Robinson,

822
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: who are even Tyler Robinson, Like these are people who

823
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: have educations and have some cash in their pockets and

824
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: have the ability to get jobs in their communities, Like

825
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: how does that go so.

826
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 5: Far out of the world here.

827
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: So I think that's part of why we're all so

828
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: drawn to these particular just thinking that.

829
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the reasons we're all so

830
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: like fascinated and why these outliers are usually kind of

831
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 3: the cases we end up talking about, yes, because they're

832
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: just like me and you, and they just what happened?

833
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 5: What happens so horrific.

834
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 7: You've had this normal background that it seems like that

835
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 7: all of us had so.

836
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: And a loving one at that, like not even normal,

837
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: like exceptionally loving with a ton of opportunity, you know

838
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like that's incredible. So yeah, maybe that's true.

839
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: Maybe that's true.

840
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is true crime tonight, and we are discussing

841
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 6: some really complicated issues brought about by talkbacks from you.

842
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 6: So thank you for these discussion points and questions. Keep

843
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 6: them coming, and let's go to a talk back.

844
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 10: Now.

845
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 14: I don't think it's gruesome at all. I think that

846
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 14: you should just give the warning before and people can

847
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 14: decipher themselves. But I think they need to kind of

848
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 14: hear all the facts if they if they want to.

849
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 14: So I think a warning is good.

850
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: I love that we got that talk back.

851
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 5: Thank you.

852
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: We were just talking about this. We talk about this

853
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: every day. This is a real conversation that we all

854
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: have either before the show or in between commercial breaks,

855
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: because we're all getting a little conditioned to sort of

856
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: talking about very dark things because we have for a

857
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: long time. And if you're a new listener or you're

858
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: not a typical true crime a listener, you know what's

859
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: everybody's line in terms of the cooriness, right, So, and

860
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: then one step further, if you are a true crime

861
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: avid listener or a watcher, you know, you too might

862
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: have a thicker skin to some of this stuff. So

863
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: we want to make sure we're not like sugarcoating anything either,

864
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: because sometimes the facts speak for themselves. It's they're almost

865
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: unbearable to speak out loud or to read. But it's

866
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: part of it, and it's important because you know, the

867
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: victims need to have a voice here and we need

868
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: to know how they were treated or mistreated. So you know,

869
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: we're always asking ourselves like are we going to gory? Right,

870
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: So we really appreciate that feedback.

871
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 7: But please, Oh, I'm just going to say, as long

872
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 7: as we I think the important thing is giving trigger

873
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 7: warnings for some of these because I actually have friends

874
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 7: who have said, like, sometimes it's so graphic, But then

875
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 7: I have friends on the other side who were like,

876
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 7: I want to hear every detail, So I think I need.

877
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: That, right, Yeah, I'm I'm the person that I need.

878
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: The other detail.

879
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so sometimes I don't even think about it,

880
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: and I need to be more sensitive to that, you know, like.

881
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 5: No, you're very sensitive.

882
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: No I am, But but I'm like you said, I'm

883
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: so conditioned after being you know, working on this kind

884
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 3: of stuff for decades, now that you know, you almost

885
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: become numb to it. I don't. I don't want to

886
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 3: be numb to it. I'd just see these horrific details

887
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: that none of us should be numb to. But I

888
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: I want every detail because it speaks to me about

889
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: what happened, right, like, and it's important in the storytelling.

890
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely for me, but everybody's different.

891
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: Everybody was the part case we were covering the poor

892
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: years old who had her baby removed, and that's just

893
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: a hard case, right, it is important that we cover it.

894
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 2: It is.

895
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 6: But I love that in the talk back a that

896
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 6: you took the time to thank you throughout, so thank

897
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 6: you and be that you said that it's important to

898
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 6: know the facts of the case, because for me, I

899
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 6: do think the facts of the case are important. And

900
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 6: then there is also a difference in gratuitous sort of

901
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 6: pontification of what if.

902
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 5: The whatever.

903
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 6: And then I always think of a victim's mother, sister,

904
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 6: sure cousin listening and thinking and absolutely so the facts

905
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 6: of the case when it becomes to gratuitous things are

906
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 6: I think where we try and land and stuff.

907
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 5: I think we do.

908
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 7: I think the three I can say, the three of you,

909
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 7: I think you do an excellent job of a great valui.

910
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: I think we're all very different, but we kind of

911
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: meet in the middle.

912
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 6: That's right, you think, Well, stick around because the man

913
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 6: accused of killing Charlie Kirk appears in court and we're

914
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 6: going to talk about the new findings in Louve Jewel heist.

915
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 5: We've got that. We've got more true crime tonight.

916
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

917
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. Thank you so much.

918
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: For the talkbacks. We eat them up.

919
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: I love it, keeps us all in check and it

920
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: just is really great to hear your voices.

921
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 5: So keep them coming, keep them coming.

922
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: Listen. We have a big thing, you know, so the

923
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk assassination. We haven't heard too many things about

924
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: any new forensics, and we ask every day and we've all,

925
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: I know, probably like everybody is waiting for all this

926
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: new information to come up. So finally today we have

927
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson, the accused, the accused shooter, and the Charlie

928
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: Kirk assassination in court for the very first time. I mean,

929
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: up until now, it's always been via zoom. It's always

930
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: been very quiet and private. And I'm hoping that we're

931
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 2: going to finally hear some new information because I can

932
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: only imagine that all of Charlie Kirk's fans and family

933
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: and you know, his wife and his children, that they

934
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 2: really want some answers.

935
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: Right and they want transparency too, and that's what this

936
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: has all been about.

937
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 7: Right.

938
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: So the hearings right now are all about media and

939
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: what the coverage and can cameras be in the courtroom

940
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 3: and things like that. So today, twenty two year old

941
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson made his first appearance in court in the

942
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: Utah trial over the killing of conservative influencer Charlie Kirk.

943
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk he co founded Turning Point USA, and he

944
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: was fatally shot on September tenth, twenty twenty five, while

945
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: speaking at an outdoor event at the Utah Valley University

946
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: in Orum, Utah. We all remember this horrible video that

947
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: was shot and posted all over the internet which traumatized us.

948
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: All yeah, I mean I still think about that, like,

949
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, it was terrible. Tyler Robinson was arrested

950
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: shortly after and charged with aggravated murder and related offenses,

951
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: with the prosecutors planning to seek the death penalty the

952
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: alleged shooter, Tyler robba since attorneys were in court to

953
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: seek limits on media coverage in order to protect Tyler

954
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 3: Robinson's right to a fair trial, and there were some

955
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: interesting things that happened in court in previous close hearings.

956
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: There was a close hearing in October twenty fourth, and

957
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: it was one of the things brought up in that

958
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: hearing was the clothing that Tyler can wear and the

959
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: judge order that he can work street clothes, but he

960
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: has to be shackled, okay, for like security reasons.

961
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: All right, So.

962
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: Now what's going on is they don't want images of

963
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: Tyler Robinson shackled out in the you know, in the sphere,

964
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 3: because it can be prejudicial to potential jury pools.

965
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 4: Okay, so the first call not to just hold for

966
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: one time.

967
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: And in case anybody doesn't understand why, because I always

968
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 2: thought this was pretty interesting.

969
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 5: You think somebody's getting.

970
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 2: They're going to a murder trial, them being in shackles

971
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: seems to track. But from a legal standpoint, it's imagery

972
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: and it makes them like they're already prisoner and dangerous, dangerous,

973
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: which is really interesting and by the way, very true.

974
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 8: Yeah.

975
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you see somebody on TV and they're

976
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: in shackles and they're being led, you know, by the elbows,

977
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: so to speak, you know, they look dangerous, they look guilty,

978
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 3: they look dangerous. They it can get in your head

979
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, that person must have done something terrible.

980
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: So you know, that's prejudicial. And sometimes they just have

981
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: their legs shackled, their ankles shacked, but their hands are free.

982
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: Or they'll have like the sweatter draped over their their

983
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 3: arms like a you know sometimes So in today's hearing,

984
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 3: the first part of the hearing would closed the public,

985
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: all right, So and in this hearing that was closed,

986
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: they addressed matters from the October twenty fourth hearing. Once

987
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: the hearing opened, both sides pointed out that the court

988
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: room camera had already aired shots of Tyler Robinson in

989
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: shackles and even picked up private defense conversations and close

990
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: ups of attorneys documents in screens.

991
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: You can't do that.

992
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: You can't do not do that, and that is in

993
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: violation of the the judges directive. Already the media has

994
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: messed up, like already, all right, and it's the first

995
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: time that you know, they've seen him in court and

996
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 3: they've already kind of blown it and this is going

997
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 3: to be a problem.

998
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

999
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: Shame on them though, those specific people out as you know,

1000
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: it's not all media, it's Yahoo is doing that, Like

1001
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: that person should not be allowed to be in the

1002
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 2: court room. Well, typically the media, but then that should

1003
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: be a pool camera total camera also just for people.

1004
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: It's like one camera is assigned to the courtroom and

1005
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: then all the other media outlets, whether it's ABC News

1006
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: or Fox News or CNN or the local affiliates, they

1007
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: all pull from the same camera. So there were like

1008
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: they're pooling the footage. Basically, you'll hear that a lot. Yeah,

1009
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: and if that pool camera guy is not doing a

1010
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: good job, but guess what he should get.

1011
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: What was interesting is I have never seen a pool

1012
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: in a camera so close. I mean, you know in

1013
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: hearings that we've seen in the past, it's like they're

1014
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: really far away and you can see this was like

1015
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: so close to Tyler Robinson, like the defendant in this case.

1016
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 4: I was very surprised. I've never seen anything like it.

1017
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 3: So when that happened, you know, this was in violation

1018
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: of the judges directives, and Robinson's defense team asked to

1019
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 3: stop the broadcast altogether, but the judge instead chose to

1020
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 3: reposition the camera to prevent for their issues, and I

1021
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: think that was a very smart move. They should never

1022
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 3: have been where they were to begin with, in just

1023
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 3: my opinion. So it several students who were at this

1024
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: debate that Charlie Kirk got shot at attended the hearing.

1025
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: They were there in court today. I have one saying,

1026
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: I feel like being here helps it feel more real

1027
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 3: than surreal. So I think some of the people that

1028
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 3: witnessed this, I mean we witnessed it on the internet,

1029
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: imagine being like a bystander that was just there maybe

1030
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: maybe to debate Charlie Kirk, because you know, he that's

1031
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: kind of what his thing was. He would debate these

1032
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 3: college students. If you were on the right or the left,

1033
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: he would, you know, debate you. And you know, so

1034
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: even some people that you know might be on the left, right,

1035
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: they saw somebody get shot right in front of them.

1036
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: And so several students who witnessed that shooting did attend

1037
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: this hearing. Media coalitions argued that open court safeguards the

1038
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: integrity of the fact finding process and foster's public confidence,

1039
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: opposing restrictions opposed by the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson's defense. Now,

1040
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 3: this is interesting and I agree with with miss Kirk,

1041
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 3: the victim's victim. Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk, has pushed

1042
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: for full transparency, stating we deserve to have cameras in

1043
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: there to help prevent misinformation and conspiracy theories.

1044
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for her, and I think that's important.

1045
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Robinson's legal team says that this pre trial publicity

1046
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: reaches as far as the White House. You know, we

1047
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 3: just spoke about this with luigiman Gione and Pam Bondi, right, yep.

1048
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 3: Well now they're bringing it up in Tyler Robinson's case.

1049
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: President Trump announcing soon after Tyler Robinson's arrest, with a

1050
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: higher degree of certainty, we have him, and he added

1051
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: I hope he gets the death penalty.

1052
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: Like, oh, that's so prejudicial.

1053
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 6: I mean that sounds like not to make a joke,

1054
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 6: but team Robinson because only that can help him to Like,

1055
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 6: I feel like buttress the defense's argument against many things

1056
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 6: because it is so inflammatory and keeping more stuff out

1057
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 6: of the trial.

1058
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: Right, So, just for people who aren't familiar, Tyler Robinson

1059
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: has not entered a playette, attorneys are raising. Oh and

1060
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: also there's been a bunch of videos released of Tyler

1061
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: Robinson circulating online that are showing him crying or having

1062
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: some sort of outburst in court. AI is already on

1063
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 3: the case.

1064
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I was gonna say those are all fake, right.

1065
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: Of course that never happened. So yeah, well so I

1066
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: here's the thing. You know, we're talking about the victim's wife,

1067
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 3: Erica Kirk. You know, she's pushing for full transparency and

1068
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 3: saying we deserve to have cameras in there to help

1069
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: prevent misinformation and conspiracy theories. And I understand we have

1070
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: a talk back about that right now.

1071
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 8: Hiley uses Tara from Alberta, Canada, And I was wondering

1072
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 8: if you guys have heard about the Charlie Kirk case,

1073
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 8: but Candace owns take on it and the whole controversy

1074
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 8: around that right now, and how she's got a scheduled

1075
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 8: assassination and all of that. I want to know what

1076
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 8: you guys think about her take and this whole thing

1077
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 8: with the French government that she's got going on. Let

1078
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 8: you guys think you.

1079
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 5: Well, we love you too, yeah, do we say about it?

1080
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you.

1081
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 5: Can't escape it.

1082
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I burned down all of the

1083
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: Rabbits can not escape it. Right.

1084
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: So, candas Owens has built a media persona around provocation,

1085
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: like this is her whole brand, being provocative and often prompting,

1086
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 3: you know, controversial and conspiratorial ideas that energize her audience

1087
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: and drive her brand. Right, this is like her whole success,

1088
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: and it depends on keeping people outraged and engaged. And

1089
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: I think it's important for people to remember that.

1090
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: I gotta say, though, I'm embarrassed to admit this, so

1091
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: please take this in the spirit it's intended. Yeah, I

1092
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: was really not familiar with any of the players in

1093
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: this prior to the assassination. I didn't know who Charlie

1094
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: Kirk was. I didn't know who Erica Kirk was. I

1095
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: wasn't aware of Turning Point USA. I wasn't a yeah, no, no,

1096
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know what rock I was under,

1097
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: but I was all all the players are new, the

1098
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: the Gropers and the Nick Fuentes and the Canvas Owens,

1099
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: like the entire you know. And so when I was

1100
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: watching the funeral and it was like a you know,

1101
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: stadium filled, I really have been living in a different planet.

1102
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: So I'm really entering at a very specific stage. I

1103
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: don't have all the backstory, and I just genuinely don't.

1104
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 2: And so if I'm looking at it just today, moving

1105
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: forward or from the assassination forward, of course I've gone

1106
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 2: down all the rabbit holes. You know what I can

1107
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: say about candae Owan not knowing what her previous comments were. Look,

1108
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: she's a beautiful woman who's a great talker.

1109
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 5: She's real good at what she does. She's compelling. She

1110
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 5: sucks you right in and I.

1111
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: Get sucked in and I'm like, is that gird?

1112
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 5: Like that's wow?

1113
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: And she's very compelling. And then same you look at

1114
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: Erica Kirk. I mean, she's the most beautiful girl alive.

1115
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: And then there's something sort of pageanty that maybe reads

1116
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: a little inauthentic. So then you go down that rabbit

1117
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: hole and now you're hearing Candace and then you're hearing Erica.

1118
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: I've watched her in all of the many interviews she's

1119
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: done in the last few days, and I've adjusted a

1120
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 2: little bit, and I wondered, you know, she gets somewhat

1121
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: backlash from so many as well. That's very difficult as

1122
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: a grieving woman, right And on the flip of that,

1123
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's just her pageant background, but.

1124
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: It might be because she does seem very like, for

1125
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: lack of a better word, robotic, a little bit right

1126
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: like she does.

1127
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is but it rubs so

1128
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: many other people saying that the Candace people is all

1129
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: charged up. And you have, you know, understandably anybody who's

1130
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: close to Kirk, you know, to Charlie Kirk and his

1131
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: family and his friends and the people that love him.

1132
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 5: Are politely charged up.

1133
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: You have you know, all the government making very clear

1134
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: statements that are in fact inflammatory about this Tyler Robinson,

1135
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: who does in fact deserve a free, you know, and

1136
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: unbiased trial. So yeah, we're kind of down the rabbit

1137
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: hole in all of it, and I've just been kind

1138
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: of not sure how to cover it because we don't

1139
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: have any facts right.

1140
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: And you know, Candace is she's very smart. I don't

1141
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: agree with anything she says in any capacity, but she

1142
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 3: is very smart. She's very well spoken, she's very well educated.

1143
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: But she never she never shows proof of anything.

1144
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 5: There's something that I don't know about.

1145
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: So and Joseph Scott Morgan, who's our forensics expert here,

1146
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 2: he he I do trust, you know, on my life,

1147
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: and he is somebody who is unbiased and does not

1148
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: come from a religious standpoint or a political standpoint. He

1149
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: looks at the science and when he says there is

1150
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: nothing to see there that this is all legit and

1151
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: that the forensics add up and that they will be

1152
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: proven accurate. I believe him. So that's my only shining

1153
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: light on that front. But I can see how it

1154
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: can be real inflammatory and how people can get sucked

1155
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: into all sides of it.

1156
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 5: I've been sucked into all four corners.

1157
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 3: I just want to I just want to remind everybody

1158
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: that you know, being revved up and energized and engaged

1159
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 3: in outrage, specifically outrage is very profitable. Yes, it's very

1160
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 3: profitable because the truth is boring and doesn't sell. Okay,

1161
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 3: keep that in mind. Keep that in mind. But inflammatory controversies,

1162
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: things like that.

1163
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson changed his clothes so many times.

1164
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1165
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I just don't know the answer.

1166
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: It's like the only outlier, real answer that I'm not

1167
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: totally clear on. I can get on board with the forensics,

1168
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: and Joseph has assured me that's the case. The autopsy results,

1169
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure we will infect see all of the things

1170
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 2: that are like the big conspiracy theory items.

1171
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 5: I know those will get explained.

1172
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 3: Oh no, we have just gone down. Candace has gone.

1173
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: Candace is gone. She's like and specifically with the France stuff.

1174
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 3: You know, she's accusing the coincident of France of marrying

1175
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: a man and she's being sued by them.

1176
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, in a very real way, you know. I mean

1177
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: that part I don't know so much about. And now

1178
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: that's a big one. Maybe we cover that, okay, it's

1179
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: also shift.

1180
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1181
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to get anyone to repeat drunk.

1182
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 5: You know, that's the feel of we only want to

1183
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 5: write that acts.

1184
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 6: Right right well, and earlier when you had brought up

1185
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 6: Nick Fuintes, he has been all over the news as

1186
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 6: well recently, and that's exactly right. And I actually watched

1187
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 6: it was a two hour conversation that I watched most

1188
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 6: of and goes back to what you were saying, Stephanie.

1189
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 6: You know, there's the argument of knowing all sides, hearing

1190
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 6: different perspectives, versus giving someone a.

1191
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: Larger platform when to get so emotional.

1192
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 5: That's right.

1193
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 6: So it's it's interesting, and I don't know. I fight

1194
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 6: back against the that facts are boring and I can't

1195
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 6: argue that they don't sell as well. I can't, but

1196
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 6: I love facts.

1197
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 5: I like it, but it's.

1198
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: Like it sounds more than the truth. Does, yeah, and

1199
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: the outrage as it's rage.

1200
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 3: The reason it's called rage bait is because it's so

1201
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: profitable and people fall for it all the.

1202
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 5: Time and sucked in and it just keeps you.

1203
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 2: There are just pieces of it though from an optics perspective, sure,

1204
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: of course some of it's weird, you know, like there's

1205
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: just some weird stuff about it. There's like a lot

1206
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: of pageantry, there's a lot of emotion at play. We

1207
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 2: don't have any vacs frankly, so I'm assuming this trial

1208
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 2: is about to bring some. But so far it's been

1209
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: so tight lipped. There's not much really to cover. It's

1210
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: not a conspiracy theory, right.

1211
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 5: Keep it here.

1212
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 6: We're going to cover the Louver update and a Memphis

1213
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 6: mother survives twenty gunshot wounds. We've got that and more

1214
01:02:47,840 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 6: true crime tonight. Welcome back to True Crime Night on iHeartRadio.

1215
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 6: We're talking true crime all the time. I'm staff here

1216
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 6: with Courtney and Body and we love hearing from you,

1217
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 6: so thank you for the talkbacks. The love lots of

1218
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 6: details coming in from the Louver. You'll remember our suitet

1219
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 6: listener ed had at one point a big theory that

1220
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 6: it was actually Courtney Armstrong at play. So she was

1221
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 6: gone for a few days, and you know what she

1222
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 6: does like Paris.

1223
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: I might add, and that might track, but I can

1224
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: tell you it definitely was not her, because they have

1225
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: apprehended those who did it.

1226
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 5: But it looks like a lot of things didn't go

1227
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 5: right that day.

1228
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: A lot of things didn't go right that day.

1229
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 6: So there's been a new government investigation into this October

1230
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 6: Louver jewel heist, and it revealed really extensive and highly

1231
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 6: preventable security failures. Importantly, this contradicts earlier explanations by museum leadership,

1232
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 6: and it also intensifies pressure on the Louver's director. So

1233
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 6: you may remember, it was Sunday morning in October and

1234
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 6: four thieves carried out, in broad day daylight a break.

1235
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 5: In at the Louver Museum.

1236
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 6: The thieves used an extendable ladder to enter the Louver

1237
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 6: through a balcony. They stole Crown jewels that were valued

1238
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 6: at about one hundred million dollars, and then escaped on motorbikes.

1239
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 6: This all happened in under ten minutes, and the highest,

1240
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 6: of course, prompted multiple official investigations into how one of

1241
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 6: the world's most visited museums could be so easily breached,

1242
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 6: I mean most visited.

1243
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 5: And also a jewel.

1244
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: In the crown that is Paris too, So it's a

1245
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: such an importance, such an important symbol.

1246
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 5: So here's what we've learned.

1247
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 6: Investigators have revealed that the thieves approach and entry were

1248
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 6: indeed fully captured on an operational camera, which undermines earlier

1249
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 6: statements by the director of the museum, Lawrence de car

1250
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 6: and security guards. So the security guards that live, they

1251
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 6: work in a control room with multiple monitors picture like

1252
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 6: the TSA, and these monitors carry live feeds that are

1253
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 6: captured throughout the museum. However, there aren't as many monitors

1254
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 6: as there are cameras, and so this means that the

1255
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 6: security guards need to toggle between the feeds, and the

1256
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 6: guards literally just missed it.

1257
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 5: They were looking at it.

1258
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 3: They had those monitors with like the four you know

1259
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 3: what I mean, like they're, well, they don't have enough.

1260
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, I mean they could have one

1261
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty four.

1262
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 5: No, they were just watching some other place.

1263
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: Thinking, yeah, by watching, they're just you know, sharing their time.

1264
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: It's like you see in the you know, in the

1265
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: in the mall, like you're working at Macy's, you see,

1266
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: you know, you can't be everywhere.

1267
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that was a you know, that was a

1268
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 6: pretty big deal. And as well, there was a pretty

1269
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 6: big miscommunication between between the museum security and the police.

1270
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 5: And this is according to officials, the.

1271
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 6: Guards inadvertently sent officers to the wrong side of the building,

1272
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 6: who the officers then had to double back to the

1273
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 6: correct entrance, so that cost time and the police missed

1274
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 6: the thieves by only about thirty seconds. Yeah, how grez

1275
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 6: is that that? That's a bad day at work for

1276
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,919
Speaker 6: those guards. They literally were just like, you know, we're

1277
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 6: at the left entrance when they were at the right entrance.

1278
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 3: So are you saying, had the security guards given them

1279
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 3: the correct information, they might have caught them on the scene.

1280
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes.

1281
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 6: Because they missed him for thirty seconds and they had

1282
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 6: to double back from an entirely different entrance.

1283
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 2: And remember, these jewels are still at large, even though

1284
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: the the actual thieves are in custody. They are all

1285
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 2: of them in custody. I believe, yes, right, they've all

1286
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: been caught at this point. No one's still on the loose, right,

1287
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: I believe that's correct. I'm pretty positive that's correct. But

1288
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: you know, again, what a bummer. You know, these guys,

1289
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: you know, created this big scheme and all the effort.

1290
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: The jewels are somewhere, they're they're with probably whoever ordered

1291
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: this heist to happen. There's probably a bigger dog in

1292
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: the mix here that had these guys corralled up. But

1293
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 2: these guys are looking at a lot of time. They

1294
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 2: almost got away with it.

1295
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 6: Wow, they really did. And so investigators. Investigators state that

1296
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 6: there were audits done on the louver security back in

1297
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 6: twenty seventeen as well as in twenty nineteen, and those

1298
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 6: audits had flagged the same vulnerable location the balcony and

1299
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 6: window that the thieves exploited. However, so that was known

1300
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 6: eight years ago that that was, you know, really vulnerable,

1301
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 6: but that information never was conveyed to the current director,

1302
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 6: Lawrence de Carr, when she became the director in twenty

1303
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 6: twenty one.

1304
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's a tough spot.

1305
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 6: So now there's political pressure on this director of the museum.

1306
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 6: Some are arguing she should resign because it was such

1307
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 6: a disgrace. Others are claiming that she was collateral damage

1308
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:35,520
Speaker 6: of this institutional dysfunction and that this these failures predated

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Speaker 6: her tenure and she didn't have the answer.

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01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 7: So she's almost like a scapegoat that they're kind of using.

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01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 5: Right because I mean, it's it's embarrassing.

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01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's embarrassing if nothing else aside from everything else,

1313
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 2: that's greed, So they you know, people understandably want someone

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01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: to blame and listen, looking at the director of the

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: museum itself is not a bad place to look, but

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01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's a man that is a letsy move though.

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01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 2: Of all of the places, the Loove looks like it

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01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: would be pretty buttoned up, you know, like I would be.

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Speaker 3: It's a pricey place to visit, and they don't even

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Speaker 3: have enough monitors for all the cameras. Like, to me,

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01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous. Yeah, spend the fifty bucks on a monitor.

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 3: They're not extensive, and.

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Speaker 5: It is so expensive to get in there, and.

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01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: It's expensive to there. Have you guys ever been to

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Speaker 2: not to sidetrack to the Lorangerie Museum where the water

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 2: lilies by Monet are if you've ever get the chance, Yeah,

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: if you ever go to Paris, anybody ever goes, I

1328
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 2: think it's like the most moving place. It's a small, tiny,

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 2: tiny little museum called the Lorangerie. I think I'm saying

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: it badly, but go with me there. And it's where

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: all of Monet's water lilies are housed, and it's like

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01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: in the sphere and it's it's actually extremely moving and beautiful.

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01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds lovely, And I think you could never

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 2: steal the art to Paris calling your name, it is

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,799
Speaker 2: calling your name's never been to France.

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Speaker 5: Oh you will love it, Yeah, you would.

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01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 2: One of my most favorite places. I would love to move.

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01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 3: I'd love to see the Mona Lisa, like for I mean,

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01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: I love the Mona Lisa, So I would really love

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: to go.

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01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 7: I don't know why I was underwhelmed when everyone is,

1342
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 7: because it's the size.

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01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 5: It's like a little bit bigger than an eight and

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 5: a half.

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01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was this big build up and you finally

1346
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 7: get to it and.

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01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 5: You're a line in your line, you're.

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01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 7: Wait, yeah, okay, but the museum itself so massiveness, so

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 7: much you willie, I.

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01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 5: Can't wait for you to go.

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01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 3: I know, I just love Leonardo da Vinci like anything

1352
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: that he did.

1353
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 2: I want to see, you know what I mean?

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01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I don't know, such an interesting guy.

1355
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 5: So yeah, if you get the chance, I will plan

1356
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 5: a France trip for you.

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01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 4: Oh okay, let's make it happen tonight.

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01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 5: Live from this end.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 3: I don't know any friends, so I'm just like like, like, well,

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Speaker 3: you're listening to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1362
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 3: true crime all the time. We've been talking about the

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01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 3: you know, the love and the heist and all the

1364
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 3: shenanigans that happened there. And if you want to win

1365
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 3: and give us a call eight and eight thirty one

1366
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 3: Crime or his on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. Courtney,

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01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 3: I know you have another story to tell us my

1368
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 3: understanding as you do at.

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Speaker 6: Least, well, I do have a story, but I think

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 6: Taha has raising his hand about it back.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I was thinking let's save that story for me.

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Speaker 7: It's a little longer. I know what you're talking about,

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01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:50,919
Speaker 7: the woman that was shot twenty.

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01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought.

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 5: Okay, it's incredible miracle.

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01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 7: It's a bit longer, so let's get some time to

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01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 7: breathe them. But for now, I think Adam said was

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 7: raising his handies I got to talk back from Well,

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01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 7: let's hear it.

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01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 5: Hey, ladies.

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01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 9: This is Ana from Providence, Rhode Island, and I was

1382
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 9: watching the Netflix documentary about Sean puppy Combe and they

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01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 9: mentioned the upcoming murder trial for victim Tupac Shakur.

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Speaker 2: And someone who lived through the nineties. I'd love to

1385
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,799
Speaker 2: hear more information about this case.

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01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 9: I did hear that it was postponed till next year,

1387
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,640
Speaker 9: but I'd love to hear more about it.

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01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:28,759
Speaker 8: Thank you. I love the show.

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: How pretty is her voice? I know, I love all

1390
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: the talkbacks so much. Yeah, thank you for calling me.

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01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a case that I'm very much interested

1392
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 3: in as well, So I'm super glad you asked about it. So,

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 3: Kathy D. His name is Dwayne Dwayne Davis. I believe

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01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 3: Davis or David, but anyway, Keffy D. He's accused of

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 3: playing like this central role in the shooting of Tupac

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01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 3: that happened in nineteen ninety six here in Las Vegas,

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 3: and it was it was supposed to be in February

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01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty six, and I was like talking about

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01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 3: it last night, like, oh, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, well, guess what. It's been fostphoned.

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: Ah I wonder.

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01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 5: If this doc had anything to do with that Postponemak.

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01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 3: No, they're saying they're saying that, well maybe I don't

1404
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 3: know that could be Steph, but they're saying that the

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01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 3: defense team. The defense team is asking for more time

1406
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: because they have so much discovery to go to go through.

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01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 3: They need additional time to go through all the interviews,

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01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 3: old police files, all the prior statements. You know, some

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01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 3: of the witnesses have died, many of them, so they've

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 3: got to go through all these statements and other material

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 3: that prosecution intends to present once the trial begins. So yeah,

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01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 3: Davis Kaffy d was taken into custody in September of

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and here in Las Vegas in charge

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01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 3: with first degree murder for his alleged involvement in the

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01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,040
Speaker 3: Las Vegas drive by that killed Tupac.

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01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 5: And he confessed to it. I think it's also worth

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 5: milling he did. He did. He confessed to it. Essentially,

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01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 5: you can't really can't it once you're in jail and

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 5: you're like.

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01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: Really, it's like all certain, sure, but like do we

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: have to listen to the room, like you see everything

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01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 2: of it? He did a whole interview like it was,

1423
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: but he wrote it in a book, you know, So

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 2: this is a guy that wanted to he wanted to

1425
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 2: be found out at some point. It's like this guy

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01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: wasn't going to go to the grave not getting some

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01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 2: sort of credit for this, it seems like, and yeah,

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01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure now the reality is sinking in that you

1429
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: have a long life ahead and likely behind bars, and

1430
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 2: that maybe there's going to be a hit out on

1431
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 2: you because there's a lot of players involved, Puffy included,

1432
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly allegedly, Yeah, maybe he's changing his tune.

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01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 5: But I don't know. It's really hard to take all

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01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 5: that back.

1435
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 6: And there were some really minute details unless and you

1436
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 6: guys will fact check me, unless I'm getting it confused.

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01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 6: From the Diddy documentary that was done by thirtycent, it

1438
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 6: talks about the lead up to Tupac's death and people

1439
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 6: being transported instead of just hopping on a plane from

1440
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 6: New York in the cars. Multiple cars were rented, multiple

1441
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 6: people were hired to drive it, and shifts across country

1442
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 6: and it's written down and then it all corroborates, and

1443
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 6: it is so specific that it's hard to say, oh,

1444
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 6: I made that up, but it's true.

1445
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like similarly too, I'm learning a lot of this

1446
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 2: stuff from the dock. I wasn't as entrenched in this

1447
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: Tupac stuff either when that happened. I mean, of course

1448
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 2: I knew about it, but you know, I seem like

1449
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: with Charlie Kirk, of course I know about it, but

1450
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't following it so much. So now I'm seeing it.

1451
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,759
Speaker 2: We were different lens. It is pretty it's pretty compelling,

1452
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: you know, even just Eminem's, you know, rapper Eminem's all

1453
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: of his lyrics Now I'm hearing everywhere differently and he's

1454
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 2: saying the exact same thing his lyrics.

1455
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 8: Well.

1456
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 3: And Orlando Anderson, who has since passed away. He was

1457
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 3: Keffy D's nephew, nephew, and he the detective from the

1458
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 3: Compton Police Department, and his name escapes me, but he's

1459
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: very good. Filed an affidavit in Compton naming Anderson as

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 3: the shooter.

1461
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 4: As like in Kaffe, D was.

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,879
Speaker 3: In the car with him, so I mean, there's definitely

1463
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: connective fibers there.

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01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 5: And then he was to kiss you, right he was murdered, Yeah,

1465
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 5: I believe so, oh yeah, yes.

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01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 3: That was, Yeah, it's been so long, right, Like it's

1467
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: so much time has passed that I had forgotten a

1468
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 3: lot of the things that I I was super into

1469
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 3: this when it happened. I mean it was nineteen ninety six.

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01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 3: I was here in Las Vegas. I had just moved

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01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 3: here and tupackets shot like a month later. It was like,

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01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 3: what is going on with and my dad at the time,

1473
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,799
Speaker 3: Well back then he lived right near Compton and whatnot.

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01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 4: He lived in Lynnwood, which is right there. You guys

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01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 4: know that.

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01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: You're right in there.

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01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I was just very like into it,

1478
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 3: and I have forgotten a lot that I remember. But

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01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm definitely interested in the Kaffe d Trill, like one

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01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 3: hundred percent.

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01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 4: If it was in February, I was going to go.

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 2: I was going to go cover it.

1483
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 5: Remember we were about to like, yeah.

1484
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: Send you send your little self with a microphone and

1485
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: you'll be outside the courtroom secret service.

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01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 11: Yeah.

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01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was going to be the inside scoop. But

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens from August.

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01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it.

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01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 7: Ye Okay, speaking of docs, we were supposed to talk

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01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 7: about a doc and I just remember this too. Remember

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01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 7: that there was one the Carmen Family. Anyway, watch Yeah,

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01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 7: we did you watch it?

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01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 5: Yes?

1495
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: I keeping up with my studies.

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01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 7: Okay, can we push that to next week because Thursday,

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01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 7: so we're not going to get into it, so of.

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01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 5: Course, well, I think we got to be happy.

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01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 3: And like I was feeling a lot of pressure to

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01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 3: watch the did you know I was.

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01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I did because it was so good.

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01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 5: It's really good, so good.

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01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 7: At first, I was like, oh, I don't know, I'll

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01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 7: try to get to it, and I'm like, I can't

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01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 7: stop watching this.

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: It was so I loved about it, and I guess

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01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: I know I talk about it too much, but I

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01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: just like that. I think it does show a lot

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01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 2: of different perspectives and it lets the watch, the listener

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: or their watcher or the audience make their own decisions.

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01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: You know, like, just because we feel I take something

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: from it, doesn't mean that somebody else will take the

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01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: same information.

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01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 5: That's true.

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01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 2: It's like, that's what's I think great about a documentary.

1516
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be too leading, that's true.

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01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 3: While coming up next, I'm sure we're going to hear

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01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 3: more thoughts from Stephanie on the Diddy documentary and a Memphis.

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 3: Mom was shot twenty times, even in the head.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here for me

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Speaker 2: and body, and we are going to go straight to

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01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 2: a talk back.

1524
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Speaker 11: I was deeply moved listening to Hailey Robson, one of

1525
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 11: Epstein's survivors. Huge respect to her for her bravery, insurance,

1526
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 11: her story, and for openly sharing for political beliefs so

1527
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 11: easy these days. Her all inspiring interview compelled me to

1528
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 11: share a bit of my own story. My husband with

1529
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 11: verbally and psychologically abusive, threatening divorce to jeopardize my green

1530
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 11: card process and likelihood, although funnily you know, was also his.

1531
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 11: But when things escalated, I fear for my safety and

1532
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 11: that of my chance, and I called nine one one.

1533
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 11: Immense gratitude to the Waltham, Massachusetts Police for their professionalism

1534
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 11: and compassion. That night, they asked if I had anywhere

1535
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 11: to go, Ironic, since I was the main bread winner

1536
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 11: and the house was mine, so my name and have it,

1537
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 11: I was paying for it. My financial independence gave me

1538
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 11: the freedom to rebuild my life, which has being fabulous.

1539
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 11: Ever saying that's why I couldn't agree more with your methods.

1540
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 11: And I always always tell young women make your own money. Okay,

1541
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 11: back to catching up on episode.

1542
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 5: Mark, I love you, right, I imagine you for sharing.

1543
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 4: Imagine the comps telling you where are you going to go?

1544
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:23,799
Speaker 4: It's your house?

1545
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but.

1546
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 5: That's what happens. That is what happens.

1547
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 2: You get removed from a scenario. I mean, all of

1548
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: it's really traumatic. And if you're in a tough situation

1549
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: like that and thank god you're okay and you got

1550
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 2: out so safely, you know you're you're so scared. You

1551
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 2: don't want to stay home because that's also the hotbed

1552
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: where you're unsafe. And many people don't have anywhere to go,

1553
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,839
Speaker 2: so you know, you end up staying and god forbid,

1554
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: you don't have any money, which is the story as

1555
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: old as time. Right, this is what happens. Yes, which

1556
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: is what's a complicated thing to say out loud. You know,

1557
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 2: you can't be entirely dependant on anybody financially, anyone.

1558
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 5: It's a terrible thing.

1559
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 2: My grandmother used to tell me that she would stash

1560
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 2: cash in the hems of her clothes, like I don't

1561
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 2: know what she was running away with all those pants,

1562
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 2: but like it was like you know, forty bucks you know,

1563
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: or twenty dollars bills, stash would pin it in her

1564
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 2: clothes and little by little you would like stack up

1565
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 2: some cash.

1566
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 3: It wasn't until like the early seventies women could even

1567
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 3: have credit cards or about wild crazy hear that?

1568
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeeah makes sense to me.

1569
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: And I'm not disparaging on men, no, of course not.

1570
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, except for they're the ones to marry rules who

1571
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 4: did that?

1572
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: But I.

1573
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 5: Did not do that either, did say?

1574
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: Or out of sorry Courtney.

1575
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 6: Back to your grandma, Oh just she had six girls

1576
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 6: and before each of them got married her own, you know,

1577
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 6: her only advice was to hide your money, you know,

1578
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 6: to keep it because yeah, people do find themselves.

1579
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 5: So thing, you.

1580
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: Should always always have a little bit of cash just somewhere,

1581
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 2: just like a little.

1582
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 5: Blowout bag, just in case you need to God for bid.

1583
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's almost a little how much enough for

1584
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: a plane ticket, you know, in a couple of nights

1585
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: at a hotel, or have a really good friend that

1586
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 2: you know you can go to like a thousands too.

1587
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah it sounds like a lot of money, I know,

1588
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: but I mean plane tickets are four hundred bucks, Let's

1589
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: say a couple hundred bucks, you know, a hundred bucks

1590
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 2: a night in a room I don't know, yeah, or

1591
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 2: even an uber to a friend's house. You know, you

1592
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 2: can just find a trusted family member or a friend

1593
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: in the good times. By the way, this is not

1594
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 2: suggesting that everybody's running out of their marriages or a

1595
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 2: penniless and.

1596
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,679
Speaker 5: Abused by any means.

1597
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: But you know, when things are great, they're great, and

1598
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 2: then when they're not, if you're not prepared or if

1599
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 2: they're not I should say, God forbid. You know, you

1600
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 2: need a you need a boogie plan, and not everybody

1601
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: has it.

1602
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, And to your point, like a trusted friend or

1603
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 7: family or someone you can turn to that you can

1604
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 7: even go to. And sometimes, sadly that isn't always there's

1605
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 7: not even you know, a safe ending or happy ending

1606
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 7: with that. Because I think Courtney has a story where

1607
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 7: there was a woman that was trying to get away

1608
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:17,520
Speaker 7: with a family member and it still ended in tragedies.

1609
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 7: So can you what was that one?

1610
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, but so a very tragic incident, however, silver lining.

1611
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 6: So in April of this year, thirty one year old

1612
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 6: Carnissa Sam.

1613
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 5: She is the victim in the story.

1614
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 6: She lives in Memphis and Carnisa Sam survived a brutal

1615
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 6: attack where she was shot twenty times by her estrange husband,

1616
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 6: amd Sam twenty times. This included multiple shots to her head.

1617
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 6: And this was on the end of enduring years of

1618
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 6: alleged abuse.

1619
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 2: Well, now.

1620
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 6: The victim, Carnissa Sam is sharing her story. She is rebuilt,

1621
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 6: holding her life and is determined to turn survival into strength.

1622
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 6: Which is such a that's an unbelievable end to this.

1623
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: Wow, she is made of steel.

1624
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 6: This is a superwoman, right, so she as taha sort

1625
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 6: of pints it at victim Carnissa Sam.

1626
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 5: She's a mother of four who was literally in the

1627
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 5: process of leaving her abusive husband on the day of

1628
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 5: the attack and her Nissa drove over to her apartment

1629
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 5: complex with her brother to gather clothes. Well, when she

1630
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,879
Speaker 5: was doing this, the accused, her estranged husband, Ahmed Sam,

1631
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 5: unexpectedly arrived and shot Carnie's brother and then fired twenty

1632
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 5: rounds at the victim, Carneissa Sam. And this was all

1633
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 5: while she sat in her cards. So yeah, so carne

1634
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 5: Sis Sam does have some physical disabilities, difficulty using her arms.

1635
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 5: This is due to several bullets that went into her head,

1636
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 5: which again is miraculous that she is here. And Carniesa

1637
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 5: recounts that the shooting was the culmination of years of

1638
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 5: both verbal and physical abuse, and she had indeed tried

1639
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 5: multiple times to leave the relationship. We had an expert

1640
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 5: on who had said it was seven times, I believe

1641
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 5: is the average.

1642
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: The average, you know, for anybody who's been the victim

1643
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: of abuse seven times. If you've been the friend or

1644
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 2: loved one of somebody who's the victim of abuse, you

1645
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 2: know how difficult it is to watch them go back

1646
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 2: seven times. Do you know how embarrassing it is to

1647
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 2: be the person who goes back seven times and look

1648
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,839
Speaker 2: your family and friends in the eyes after you've already,

1649
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 2: in your opinion, shared too much. It is brutal no.

1650
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 5: Matter how you slice it.

1651
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 2: There's no easy seat at that table, and you know

1652
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 2: that requires a level of grace. But it's super important

1653
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: because it's so dangerous.

1654
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 5: I mean that, the danger is so real.

1655
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,760
Speaker 2: People get so fired up and they're so I mean

1656
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,480
Speaker 2: not I didn't mean that as a pun, like emotionally

1657
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 2: charged up, certainly on the eve of a breakup or

1658
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 2: of something. I mean, this woman survived twenty bullets.

1659
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 5: That's crazy.

1660
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 2: She is a miracle.

1661
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 4: And I mean this is we know what happened to

1662
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 4: her brother.

1663
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 2: I just think that he was he survived, Okay, good

1664
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 2: for any many of these people to die like a yeah,

1665
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: no one dies survived, yes, correct. And she was shot

1666
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: ahead multiple times and was in a parked car.

1667
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 5: So think about that.

1668
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,520
Speaker 2: You're you're not even running or something you would imagine,

1669
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 2: So you know, that's twenty shots to the body. Obviously,

1670
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 2: she still struggles and has This is a story coming

1671
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 2: out of Memphis. If I'm not taken one of our

1672
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: many stations, because as a radio show, where syndicated, so

1673
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 2: we want to make sure that we're covering some of

1674
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 2: the local stories at the stations that we were actually

1675
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: on air at live.

1676
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 5: So I thought this was a staggering case. It absolutely is.

1677
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 6: And the victim, Carney Si Sam, she's speaking out and

1678
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 6: you know she she does face both a long physical

1679
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 6: recovery and the emotional poll of surviving this trauma. Meanwhile,

1680
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 6: the accused, her strange husband, Ahmed Sam, is currently in custody.

1681
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 6: He is facing two counts of attempted first degree murder.

1682
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 6: But Carnea Sam, she was trying to rebuild her life

1683
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 6: and protect her children and.

1684
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 5: Trying to.

1685
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 3: She's gotten four kids to take care of, and now

1686
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 3: she's going to maybe having these physical difficulties.

1687
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, fingers for her.

1688
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 2: I mean so, I'm just I'll hate it. You know

1689
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 2: an important thing too, if you have the opportun unity

1690
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: to donate any old clothes or any work clothes. There

1691
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 2: any shelters and most areas have this. Excuse me, and

1692
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 2: again we hope you'll never need these clothes. But I

1693
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 2: can promise you more people than you think. Oh I thought,

1694
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: I just how you've been in there. But there's donate

1695
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 2: your clothes to a women's shelter because you know they

1696
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: need to start over and start a life again and

1697
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 2: oftentimes are leaving a situation with nothing in their hands.

1698
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 2: Her daughters are so beautiful. Yeah, their bionic mom is

1699
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 2: like going to make sure that she has credible kids

1700
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,440
Speaker 2: who are going to do incredible things on her beath.

1701
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 6: For anyone who's who is interested or compelled to give,

1702
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 6: the family has launched a go Fundme to help with

1703
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 6: Carnese Sam's medical expenses, and the community in Memphis has

1704
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 6: rallied around her to raise awareness beacause Memphis is awesome

1705
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 6: and so is everyone.

1706
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 5: Sure, And the.

1707
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Go fund me is called voluntey, isn't it? They are

1708
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: pretty nice here. I gotta tell you somebody who's not incredible.

1709
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 2: And I've been here only a few months obviously, but

1710
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,440
Speaker 2: it's like people are so nice. Yeah, I'm not surprised

1711
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 2: by that.

1712
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 5: I assumed that.

1713
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 2: And listen, I thought people were so nice in Los

1714
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 2: Angeles as well. So, but as a new person, you're

1715
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 2: really you feel lonesome, when you're a little like out

1716
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 2: of your element. You really notice when somebody is extra kind,

1717
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 2: and they're real kind here.

1718
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 5: That's that's something I'm.

1719
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 4: Glad to hear, the rallying around her as Memphis is own, right,

1720
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 4: that's right.

1721
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 6: And the GoFundMe is called Providing Care and Support for

1722
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 6: Carnica Sam's four daughters, and it's smelled c U r

1723
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 6: n I S S A one other thing we just

1724
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 6: wanted to throw out for anyone, should you need it

1725
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 6: or think you maybe should write it down and keep

1726
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 6: it in your wallet and a hidden compartment. The Domestic

1727
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 6: Violence Hotline you can call one eight hundred seven nine

1728
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 6: nine seven two three three, or you can text begin

1729
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 6: to eight eight seven eight eight. That's very simple. Eight

1730
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:21,440
Speaker 6: eight seven eight eight. That's the domestic violence hotline.

1731
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, it was a good advice you

1732
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: just gave there. Put it on a little piece of

1733
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 2: paper and put it in your wallet, because today might

1734
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: not be the day that you're ready to call, but

1735
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 2: there might be that day. And you know, there's thinking

1736
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 2: in the right direction. And you know, not everybody's in

1737
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 2: that situation. There's so many beautiful couples in much love

1738
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 2: in the air, but our hearts really do go out.

1739
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, we did have an

1740
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: extraordinary survivor from this whole Epstein saga. Eight days right,

1741
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 2: eight days tell full transparency days.

1742
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

1743
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 2: And again I think it's really a testament too. I'm

1744
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 2: going to remain hopeful in the moment that, you know,

1745
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 2: it's a real high five to victims who have felt

1746
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 2: too afraid or too embarrassed or too ashamed. God, shame

1747
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 2: is a killer, you know. It's just like sometimes just

1748
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 2: saying it out loud takes all the air out of it.

1749
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 2: I can't say that enough. So thank you for sharing

1750
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,839
Speaker 2: your stories. Yeah, you know, no one's immune to escaping

1751
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 2: trauma in any way. So sometimes just talking about it,

1752
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, and sharing it makes us all feel a

1753
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: little more connected and a little more alone, you know.

1754
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 2: I think that's what divides everybody, shame. That's a good point.

1755
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 2: And I miss ed Ed And if you want to

1756
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 2: talk about you know, release from jail, about the loop,

1757
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 2: come on, Ed.

1758
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 5: We're going to miss you this weekend.

1759
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 3: And I'm a little upset that Mona Lisa is not

1760
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 3: more protected. Okay, let me, I'm can I don't even.

1761
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 2: Mona Lisa was protected. I actually do think they were

1762
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 2: probably all eyes all watching these jewels that were probably

1763
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: a little less a high priority about that.

1764
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 7: I'm sure they cased the joint and they were like, Okay,

1765
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 7: that area is, we're not going to go over there.

1766
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 2: And remember, like there's always a line, you know, you

1767
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 2: have to wait in a little bit of a line

1768
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 2: area to actually see the Mona Lisa. So it's not

1769
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 2: as though that's an unpopulated area. This might have been

1770
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 2: a little closer to the window where you know, there's

1771
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 2: like oh, Crowns, maybe not as active of an area.

1772
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I would think the Crown jewels would be

1773
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:25,799
Speaker 4: far away from windows.

1774
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 2: But apparently I would.

1775
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, you would think, but you would think. So it's

1776
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 7: a museum director.

1777
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 6: Just out tour, you know, elevator away, climbing the balcony and.

1778
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 4: They've got like wing cameras on them or something like.

1779
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: If you guys both, I would be petrified. You guys

1780
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 2: would both probably be able to keep it cool enough.

1781
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 5: Not that you not that you would ever be a thief, obviously, but.

1782
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 2: If you were, like had to be as if it

1783
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 2: was like, hey, your life depends on getting into that

1784
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 2: building and somehow keeping it cool enough to do something,

1785
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: and it was life and death. I don't think I

1786
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 2: could actually come up with enough cool to pull it off.

1787
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 4: I think being in the mole, I could do a

1788
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 4: lot of things. You know, you do it all like that,

1789
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 4: do all this crazy stuff.

1790
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1791
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 4: No, I've learned that I could do a lot more

1792
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 4: than I thought I could.

1793
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:20,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, a cucumber, cucumber, Courtney Armstrung, I think I got

1794
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: my pants is their DNA and Urine might expearns that's fair.

1795
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 2: I would be like broken out my hives on my face.

1796
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 5: I would triple my own two feet, Yeah, I would.

1797
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 7: I would give it up before like as soon as

1798
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 7: someone walks to me, Okay, I did it.

1799
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 11: Sorry.

1800
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 2: We'd be so confusing though, although we would be a

1801
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 2: good cover because we'd be so confusing and so ridiculous.

1802
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 5: It's just trying to rob a band.

1803
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 2: It's the two stougures and then the two smart ones.

1804
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 5: Are you know your jewels?

1805
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 2: And ends at the bottom of the show.

1806
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 3: Actually, that would be a funny comedy.

1807
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 15: You know, bodies in the van, you know, doing all

1808
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 15: the analysis eleven, you'd sure be in the van. Yeah,

1809
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 15: and I would feel very safe that you would find us.

1810
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Guys, this has been a great night, so it's already

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01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 2: gone by, so quickly listen everybody. We hope you have

1812
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,919
Speaker 2: an exceptional weekend. We'll be back, of course, on Sunday,

1813
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,080
Speaker 2: so be sure to join us. We're trying all kinds

1814
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 2: of new things on Sundays, breaking news. We love you,

1815
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 2: Stay safe and have a great night.