Speaker 1: Are you leaving?
Speaker 2: I you wanna way back home?
Speaker 3: Either way, we want to be there.
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim and give us
Speaker 4: time and a terminol and gay.
Speaker 5: We want to send you off in style.
Speaker 4: We wanna welcome you back home.
Speaker 5: Tell us all about it. We scared?
Speaker 4: Or was it fine? Malborn?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 5: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 3: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 5: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 3: Do you need to ride? Ride with Karen and Chris?
Speaker 3: Welcome to Do you need a ride? This is Chris Fairbanks.
Speaker 5: And this is Karen Kilgaroff.
Speaker 6: Karen my friend. Are you a sufferer of allergies?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: I am having them, so there's no reason. I look outside,
Speaker 6: there's no wind. It's a mild day, and I couldn't
Speaker 6: even sleep, and I sound nasally.
Speaker 3: What is happening?
Speaker 5: Could you have a sinus infection?
Speaker 3: I got it in the middle of the night.
Speaker 6: It's somehow I don't understand what is happening and my
Speaker 6: voice I sound like Grizzly Adams.
Speaker 4: I think that's great for podcasting now, I swear to God,
Speaker 4: because it's just a different vibe. People will start listening
Speaker 4: and they're going to be.
Speaker 5: Like, who is this so chratistic?
Speaker 4: Seventies after? That's podcasting right now?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, okay, that's I like that.
Speaker 5: Chris Sexels. I've told you this a thousand times.
Speaker 3: You're right, it is sexy that I have flem in
Speaker 3: my throat.
Speaker 5: Yes, women love flem and men.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best. You better,
Speaker 3: I will I always do for today's guest.
Speaker 5: You better do your best.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited about today's guest.
Speaker 5: I am too.
Speaker 6: He's someone I have not seen for far too long.
Speaker 6: I don't even know where he resides.
Speaker 5: Now that'll be question number one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll start with that.
Speaker 6: But as a stand up comic, I used to love
Speaker 6: watching him perform, and I love his podcast. You probably
Speaker 6: know him from his podcast The Duncan Frescol Family Hour. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and if you haven't seen it yet, do watch The
Speaker 6: Midnight Gospel on Netflix. Yes, beautiful, because it is genius
Speaker 6: beautiful to watch everyone put your ears together?
Speaker 7: What yees?
Speaker 3: I almost told people to clap at home.
Speaker 5: It would be cool.
Speaker 6: Pull your hands together, even if you're driving, wherever you're
Speaker 6: listening at work, do clap out loud for Duncan Tressel.
Speaker 3: Hi, how are you, buddy?
Speaker 7: I'm great. You know that when I thought I had allergies,
Speaker 7: you know what it was?
Speaker 2: My friend?
Speaker 3: Uh oh COVID.
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, you should get tested.
Speaker 7: COVID's symptoms are identical to allergies, which is why it's
Speaker 7: so like rampant, because people just think they have allergies.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, maybe it's time to go.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to start. I don't mean to start.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry for starting where the COVID diagnosis.
Speaker 5: Start with the negative.
Speaker 3: This is what's.
Speaker 6: Happening, and why would I Yet it answers all the
Speaker 6: questions like I'm not near the beach a place I'm
Speaker 6: allergic by the way, Yeah, I'm allergic to the ocean.
Speaker 6: That's nice to find out. But yeah, there's nothing happening outside.
Speaker 6: And I used to judge, like when I lived in Austin,
Speaker 6: every day is like a Claret In commercial. There's just
Speaker 6: cotton balls, yeah, and spores flying in the air. And
Speaker 6: people used to get something called cedar fever where they'd
Speaker 6: actually get aheadache. I'd be bed ridden, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: these people are weak.
Speaker 3: I used to judge them. Yeah, and now this is
Speaker 3: my come up, and it.
Speaker 2: Is, No, it's not.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Actually that's where I got the disease was in Austin
Speaker 7: and that and it was during the apex of COVID
Speaker 7: in Austin. And the reason, my theory, the reason it
Speaker 7: was like peaking in Austin or that was an epicenter
Speaker 7: is because of just what you're saying. Everyone thought they
Speaker 7: had allergies because the symptoms are generally just allergies. Runny nose,
Speaker 7: your eyes get itchy, yep, you know, and like, but no,
Speaker 7: it's it's covid.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: And how was your COVID experience, duncan? Was it horrible
Speaker 5: and hard?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 2: It wasn't It was medium.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: I'm vaccinated, so I got the vaccinated COVID experience, which
Speaker 7: is great. Sneezed on my baby. Baby didn't get COVID.
Speaker 7: Wife didn't know, like know what, like it didn't transmit,
Speaker 7: thank god. Yeah. I sneezed COVID on my baby. I
Speaker 7: sneezed COVID right in his face because I thought I
Speaker 7: was this is what I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 7: It was just like mild symptoms. It's like fucking allergies. Sneeze,
Speaker 7: a sauce, spittle on the baby's face, plague spittle. Not
Speaker 7: no one got it accept except me, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 7: Uh the worst part of it is this is the
Speaker 7: psychological component. You know, watching the news when you have
Speaker 7: COVID is not fun. Is you're one of them and
Speaker 7: like it's like just talking about you as like an
Speaker 7: alien who are no longer than non COVID person.
Speaker 3: That sucked.
Speaker 2: But I got. I mean I'm lucky.
Speaker 7: So I had really good I had these like IV
Speaker 7: doctors coming in every day giving me like weird IV fluids,
Speaker 7: and most importantly, like a nurse. Like there's they check
Speaker 7: you every day because if your oxygen gets low, they
Speaker 7: just immediately send you to the er. So it was
Speaker 7: nice to have like that, but it's still sucks. It
Speaker 7: was ten days away from my family in a in
Speaker 7: a fucking in a Kempton.
Speaker 5: Those are nice hotels.
Speaker 7: It was nice, No, it was nice, but it was
Speaker 7: just like I don't care what the hotel is when
Speaker 7: you when you can't leave without infecting people with a disease.
Speaker 6: It's who provided these IV people and nurses. It was
Speaker 6: an amenity of the hotel.
Speaker 7: I know, we think the pandemic hasn't progressed that much.
Speaker 4: COVID services are unbelievable form of room service.
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, I would like the salmon and an
Speaker 7: IV drip.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, I love their Continental nurse service.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 7: No, I had a show that night, and so I
Speaker 7: whenever I have a show, and I just need some
Speaker 7: time to get ready, and my family was there. So
Speaker 7: I've got two kids, and uh, it was just not
Speaker 7: gonna I needed a few hours to like get look
Speaker 7: at my jokes. So I went to this hotel just
Speaker 7: to like relax and take a napp and then like
Speaker 7: look at my jokes, and uh, you know, I thought
Speaker 7: I was hungover with an allergy, but I'm laghing in bed,
Speaker 7: like trying to get a little rest. And then I
Speaker 7: just I suddenly was like, oh wait, you can't fucking
Speaker 7: perf Right are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: You're gonna go on stage with your allergy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Like, even if it is an allergy, it's gonna be
Speaker 7: such a it's gonna be It's.
Speaker 6: So funny how one hundred percent convinced I am that
Speaker 6: I have COVID now, because I'm like, what, why do
Speaker 6: I have allergies? Why am I so tired everything you're
Speaker 6: talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the good thing is you can go to
Speaker 4: CVS and get those real quick tests. Like it's not
Speaker 4: the old Dodger Stadium days where you're in line in your.
Speaker 3: Mean one of these Oh there you see, I have
Speaker 3: it in my hand.
Speaker 2: Boom, there you go. You could do the test and
Speaker 2: do it on the.
Speaker 5: Podcast and then we'll see what the results are.
Speaker 6: It'll be revealed like the lambst revealed party ever.
Speaker 7: Due I I yeah, and it happened. It was like
Speaker 7: that was what happened when the nurse came. Because I like,
Speaker 7: we called this IV service. The nurse comes, does the
Speaker 7: COVID swab, and it was like insta red, Like it
Speaker 7: was just like dark thick red stripe immediately. So I
Speaker 7: was like, does this mean I have COVID? She's like,
Speaker 7: look at it. You're you are infected. You got the
Speaker 7: disease your patient zero.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have got to do it. I'm anxious at
Speaker 6: least all have an answer. Yeah, yeah, you probably don't.
Speaker 6: It's probably at you probably don't have it. I'm sorry
Speaker 6: I shouldn't know, but you know, it is the same symptoms.
Speaker 3: It's okay, I think that you might be right.
Speaker 4: Well, and the nice thing is you are just like
Speaker 4: Duncan saying you're vaccinated. So yeah, it's that you know,
Speaker 4: this is a thing lots of lots of people do
Speaker 4: go through. But I have been thinking about that because
Speaker 4: in quarantine when it was when it was much more intense.
Speaker 4: You're so right, I remember people getting it and that
Speaker 4: kind of thing of like suddenly it was like oh,
Speaker 4: like there was the almost the cultural repulsion where it's
Speaker 4: I kept thinking about that, Like God, it would be
Speaker 4: horrible to be the one that has to call people
Speaker 4: and go, hey, remember the dinner party we were all
Speaker 4: at like, I'm patient zero.
Speaker 5: That is awful.
Speaker 7: For the yes, it's awful. It's like you did. It's
Speaker 7: like STDs minus the sex.
Speaker 2: You've got.
Speaker 7: So so the same weird shame, but we like, remember
Speaker 7: we we just said about a museum.
Speaker 4: To just we went over our Netflix viewing of the month.
Speaker 4: And now I've given you something.
Speaker 7: Given you a plague that will be remembered for centuries.
Speaker 4: Duncan, here's I haven't seen you in so long that
Speaker 4: you now have two children.
Speaker 5: That's very upsetting to me.
Speaker 4: But congratulations, not the children part, but congratulations. Will you
Speaker 4: tell us about your How old are they and what
Speaker 4: are their names?
Speaker 7: Oh? I love to Yeah, sure, well the oldest is
Speaker 7: almost three. His name is Forrest, and the is almost
Speaker 7: one and his name is Done And yeah, they're and
Speaker 7: they're wonderful. Just it's the greatest thing ever to like
Speaker 7: be in the presence of all this stuff parents say.
Speaker 2: Is it's true? Yeah, I mean that's the problem. That's everything.
Speaker 7: Everyone said everything already, right, but it's.
Speaker 5: That that's great though. I bet you're a great dad.
Speaker 5: But that seems like something that would really work.
Speaker 2: I want it though. That's a huge compliment, and I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I hope, I am. I try to be.
Speaker 7: There's a book I'm reading and there's a termain it
Speaker 7: called the good Enough Parent. And I'll tell you, we
Speaker 7: live in a great time period. With all this therapy.
Speaker 7: We have access to that our parents didn't because we
Speaker 7: don't have to wing it like they did. They just
Speaker 7: like boozed it up. And we're like, I don't know,
Speaker 7: you don't yell too loud, and then I don't know,
Speaker 7: and but like we can we have the therapy, like
Speaker 7: real amazing therapy that isn't so crucial to you know,
Speaker 7: to understand, like because you over I overcome the problem
Speaker 7: is is like I had a PTSD. Dat wonderful man,
Speaker 7: but he was struggling with PTSD, and so it's like
Speaker 7: I can overcompensate, you know, and go the opposite direction,
Speaker 7: and that's reactionary as reactionaries like doing whatever the parent
Speaker 7: is that like you know, was like going through a
Speaker 7: rough spot. So it's just a tightrope walk the whole
Speaker 7: like between like, oh, like we're moving back.
Speaker 2: I'm in Ashville, you're wondering, I'm out. I'm in Ashville,
Speaker 2: North Carolina.
Speaker 5: Beautiful place.
Speaker 6: That's where you're from. Place you're in the mountains. That's
Speaker 6: like the eastern part.
Speaker 2: Up here in the mountains.
Speaker 7: Came out up here to during just to get out
Speaker 7: of the pandemic in La, you know, just get out
Speaker 7: of all that madness. And now we're gonna head back
Speaker 7: in the summer. But you know, like my parents moved
Speaker 7: me around a lot when I was a kid, and
Speaker 7: so I have all these big feelings about moving the
Speaker 7: kids to different places. In any parent that's been a
Speaker 7: parent for a while, when you tell them, they're like,
Speaker 7: what are you talking about? They don't care. They're three,
Speaker 7: what one's won, you know what I mean, Like they
Speaker 7: like what Yeah, but it's like because I have all
Speaker 7: the heaviness of my own like bullshit moving around all
Speaker 7: the time, it's this big, you know. I'll be on
Speaker 7: the trampoline with Forrest looking at him and thinking to myself,
Speaker 7: you will grow old, you will grow old and oh,
Speaker 7: oh the heartbreak you might feel and can I And
Speaker 7: he's just having like a good just jumping and you're
Speaker 7: thinking about his first colonoscopy exactly.
Speaker 2: So that's the work.
Speaker 7: I think of being a parent is like recognizing that
Speaker 7: you don't need to like trauma dump on your kids,
Speaker 7: you know, and like you know that they get to
Speaker 7: have their childhood and enjoy just the innocence of just
Speaker 7: being a kid without you having to like add to
Speaker 7: that all of your like you trying to like place
Speaker 7: your unresolved on them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yunny.
Speaker 6: My dad I always thought it was a bad thing
Speaker 6: to grow move around a lot as a kid, because,
Speaker 6: according to his stories, it meant you go to a
Speaker 6: new school and you have to get in three or
Speaker 6: four fights and with the bully and make and make
Speaker 6: sure everyone knows you're cool, and then off to the
Speaker 6: new town.
Speaker 3: He like was always fighting.
Speaker 2: No, that's how it was. I mean, that's how it was.
Speaker 7: Like our parents were like like getting in vicious fights
Speaker 7: when they were kids and they're and their parents were like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. Did you give you did you crush
Speaker 2: his jaw?
Speaker 3: You knock his block off like a good boy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean that's like, that's real.
Speaker 4: I've told this story before, but there's a legendary story
Speaker 4: because my dad grew up and was a teenager in
Speaker 4: the fifties in San Francisco, and he had eight brothers
Speaker 4: and sisters, and you know that's they were like they
Speaker 4: were like Greaser's basically in the fifties. And there was
Speaker 4: one night when I was probably like eight years old.
Speaker 5: It was summer.
Speaker 4: Our windows were open, Me and my sister were in bed,
Speaker 4: but we weren't asleep, and we heard someone walking in
Speaker 4: the tan bark out in front of our house. And
Speaker 4: we lived way the fuck out in the countries that
Speaker 4: never happened, and there was we heard footsteps in the
Speaker 4: tan bark and heavy breathing.
Speaker 2: What's tan bark? Sorry?
Speaker 4: Oh, Standpark's that's stuff that like it's on playgrounds a
Speaker 4: lot where it's like big chips of redwood, and they
Speaker 4: use it in like landscaping to kind of fill up
Speaker 4: an area.
Speaker 2: So okay, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: It was like a kind of a crunchy. You could
Speaker 5: just hear footsteps way better, the heavy breathing.
Speaker 4: And heavy breathing, And so I'm laying there going no way.
Speaker 4: There's a like there's a weird pervert outside my window.
Speaker 4: And then I see my sister really fast run from
Speaker 4: her room to my parents' room, which scared me even
Speaker 4: worse because I'm like, fuck, she heard it too. I
Speaker 4: didn't say fuck because I was eight years old.
Speaker 5: So I run in there.
Speaker 4: I run into my parents room too, and my sister's like, dude,
Speaker 4: there's someone outside our window whatever. And my dad is like,
Speaker 4: go back to your room, opens up the night stand drawer,
Speaker 4: pulls out a switch blade, flicks it open, and walks
Speaker 4: out the front door.
Speaker 5: And we were like, like, never seen that before.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 5: I didn't know we owned it.
Speaker 4: And he was like a fucking Jets and Sharks switchblade
Speaker 4: fifties guy.
Speaker 5: He gets outside. It was a golden retriever.
Speaker 4: There was this old dog that got lost in our
Speaker 4: in our front yard.
Speaker 6: It must have been so hard to stab it.
Speaker 3: We killed it, he still killed it again. You gotta
Speaker 3: go with it. Otherwise your kids, your kids know you back.
Speaker 7: Down, Yes, exactly, the family way, you get the respect
Speaker 7: to your kids. That is one thing I've learned is
Speaker 7: like I actually I had to have a golden retriever
Speaker 7: brought in.
Speaker 2: I didn't get a natural retriever.
Speaker 7: But I stabbed him to death in front of the kids,
Speaker 7: and they loved me much more.
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, that's our dad. Anyway. Switch blades worked too.
Speaker 4: I know. I don't think I spent one day ever
Speaker 4: feeling like even the slightest fear after that, where I
Speaker 4: was like, this guy's got it handled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's look, that is badass.
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say, gut right.
Speaker 7: Oh no, Like the fact he's like, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: I'm gonna cut someone up out here.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna shoot him.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get up close to them.
Speaker 2: Their eyes their eyes dilate, is like uncture.
Speaker 5: They're drain the blood from their body with a gun.
Speaker 3: You can't feel the blade hitting bone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but you know it's funny.
Speaker 4: I just heard someone talking about the book you mentioned,
Speaker 4: which is The Imperfect Parent, right or the not the.
Speaker 2: Good enough parent, the good good enough parent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was some podcasts I was listening to
Speaker 4: and someone said, imagine when you're a kid having perfect parents,
Speaker 4: how then that makes you imperfect all the time. Oh wow,
Speaker 4: there are these parents that are trying to do it
Speaker 4: all and be it all, and it actually kind of
Speaker 4: leaves their kids. It's then about the parents and like
Speaker 4: the kids are then just automatic fuck ups. Yeah that
Speaker 4: instead of just we're all human and doing our best.
Speaker 2: It's the same shit.
Speaker 7: It's like with you know, like one thing, all of
Speaker 7: a sudden, I'm sure of experience, when you're grieving, all
Speaker 7: of a sudden you realize like you've but you become
Speaker 7: a grief counselor because the people are calling you and
Speaker 7: then they start unloading on you about people that they've
Speaker 7: lost because that's how they think they can like make
Speaker 7: you feel that you're not alone. It's very sweet, clumsy, whatever,
Speaker 7: But the exact identical thing can happen as a parent,
Speaker 7: where it's suddenly, even though it seems like it's all
Speaker 7: about the kids, it's not about the fucking kids. It's
Speaker 7: about you working out your unresolved shit and using these
Speaker 7: kids as some kind of like terrible screen you can
Speaker 7: project all that stuff on, and I think it's probably
Speaker 7: like most parents do that. I mean, I don't see
Speaker 7: how you wouldn't do it. It's such a powerful experience.
Speaker 7: How are you not going to freak out? You've got
Speaker 7: these living creatures that you made in your house and yeah,
Speaker 7: like they're the most beautiful things you ever saw in
Speaker 7: your life. So it's like, how do you not freak out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going out into the world where yours aren't yet.
Speaker 4: But I mean, like that when my niece started getting older,
Speaker 4: and then I remember calling my sister and going it
Speaker 4: was I was going through a terrible time in my life.
Speaker 4: But that kind of like came out as I began
Speaker 4: to have obsessive thoughts that something was going to happen
Speaker 4: to my niece and she was like three or four
Speaker 4: years old, yes, and I couldn't stop thinking about it.
Speaker 5: Where I was like because there was other bad shit.
Speaker 4: Going on in my family and my mom was sick
Speaker 4: and all this stuff where I was like, we can't
Speaker 4: lose her now, and it was crazy.
Speaker 5: I couldn't leave it alone.
Speaker 4: And I finally told my sister where I was like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm just really worried something's gonna happen to Nora, and
Speaker 4: she goes, well, welcome to parenthood.
Speaker 5: That's young every day, Like fuck you too bad?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, yeah, Okay, that's it.
Speaker 5: I'm in it with you now.
Speaker 7: And you know what else, you can't fucking enjoy dateline
Speaker 7: anymore because like anytime anyone's like parents are getting killed
Speaker 7: when they're kids, you know it when like im again.
Speaker 7: And maybe this is an indication of how sick I am,
Speaker 7: but you know, in the old days, you'd sit and
Speaker 7: watch these murder shows and it's like and the children
Speaker 7: was sleeping in the other room. Wow, mother was being
Speaker 7: decapitated with an hack. Whoa, that is fucked up. But
Speaker 7: you're not thinking like, oh my god, those kids right,
Speaker 7: are they gonna go into a foster program? Oh my god,
Speaker 7: I gotta get my fucking will. What are we gonna
Speaker 7: do if we figured out what we're gonna do about
Speaker 7: the kids if we get murdered Aaron? You know, like
Speaker 7: it just adds this whole other level of like not
Speaker 7: being able to enjoy some of this stuff. And it's
Speaker 7: weird to say we enjoy murder shows, but you know,
Speaker 7: with you, I mean come on, get Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, it's almost like there's the distance of when say
Speaker 4: you're like twenty five and you're like, whoa serial killers?
Speaker 5: That's intense, but you're way out here. You're just in.
Speaker 4: Your own world and you're like in your twenties partying
Speaker 4: and going like I understand that the world's fucked up.
Speaker 5: But then the.
Speaker 4: More the more you're in the game, the more skin
Speaker 4: you have in the game, the more those stories become like.
Speaker 5: That's the worst thing I've ever heard. Oh my god,
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And then it absolutely evolves and changes as you evolve
Speaker 4: and change, and you if your empathy changes, which I
Speaker 4: think it gets better as you get older. I think
Speaker 4: you get smarter about the human experience as you get older,
Speaker 4: and you're suddenly processing these things not as kind of
Speaker 4: like a viewer of like oh too bad, but you're
Speaker 4: kind of like exactly that of like why didn't anyone
Speaker 4: solve this? How can this be? Where are those kids?
Speaker 4: Like it becomes this thing that is It definitely changes.
Speaker 4: I've seen it change since I you know, when serial
Speaker 4: killers were like quote unquote popular in the nineties.
Speaker 5: Because it was a thing of suddenly.
Speaker 4: Like you have heard about ed geen. Right, that's what
Speaker 4: Psycho was based on. He had skulls in his kitchen
Speaker 4: or his own mother's body or whatever. And you're like what, Like,
Speaker 4: no one ever told me. And so that's the beginning
Speaker 4: fascination part. But as it goes, yeah, you start going
Speaker 4: this could be my neighbor, this could be my sister,
Speaker 4: this could be my world completely falling apart.
Speaker 5: It's horrifying.
Speaker 3: And my mom, even when I was a kid, she
Speaker 3: would make me nervous.
Speaker 6: She would tell me, Yeah, there's men out there in
Speaker 6: vans that will snatch you up and we won't find you.
Speaker 6: So that's why you have to wear carry this hunter's
Speaker 6: orange vest and stop sign and call a lot of
Speaker 6: attention to yourself.
Speaker 3: Like I was paranoid about kidnappers.
Speaker 7: I mean, don't you think calling attention to yourself is
Speaker 7: going to increase your odds of being kidnapped?
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Now I'm thinking she should have given you like a
Speaker 4: camouflage sweatshirt. Yeah, and then just like stay low and
Speaker 4: in the bushes.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And it's so funny because I was dressed like a
Speaker 6: crossing guard. I ended up in the newspaper. And then
Speaker 6: newspapers used to do this. They just had my parents'
Speaker 6: names and our home address under the photo. It's like, well, that's,
Speaker 6: oh my god, that's just not going to help the
Speaker 6: situation at all.
Speaker 7: How many basements was your picture on? Like how many basements?
Speaker 7: With some weird map and like a guy looking at
Speaker 7: you like I'll find the crossing God?
Speaker 4: I mean, that is that kind of thing that they
Speaker 4: had to change stuff like that. That was like the
Speaker 4: eighties right where they're like, you know, we shouldn't put
Speaker 4: children's addresses in the newspaper anymore.
Speaker 6: I guess they were doing it back then to say, hey,
Speaker 6: we have permission to put this kid in the paper
Speaker 6: his parents. I don't know why they went. It was
Speaker 6: just for something to say, yeah, this kid walks to school.
Speaker 6: Here's it's a dress.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, twice I was in the paper walking to school
Speaker 6: and I gotta get a copy of that because it
Speaker 6: was just.
Speaker 2: You know what, they're good.
Speaker 7: They're gonna look at people putting their kids on Instagram
Speaker 7: in the same way. Yeah, oh yeah, and ten or
Speaker 7: fifteen years people are gonna be like, what the fuck were.
Speaker 2: You doing that for?
Speaker 7: Didn't you know about deep fakes and AI and facial
Speaker 7: recognition and like, your kid's gonna end up in some
Speaker 7: like facial recognition augmented reality goggled thing for kidnappers so
Speaker 7: they can know their name and then like cross references
Speaker 7: all your Facebook posts and know your grandmother is and
Speaker 7: just pick them up in school, no problem. You know,
Speaker 7: like that is gonna happen, and people, it's gonna happen,
Speaker 7: and it's spooky.
Speaker 4: What about when he fucking Markus Zuckerberg was like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're gonna stop doing facial recognition software where it's like
Speaker 4: no one knew you were doing that, and they came
Speaker 4: out like, oh, we're suspending all of that where it's
Speaker 4: like sorry, did it start already or what's this announcement?
Speaker 6: Oh I forget what I say to public and what
Speaker 6: I say in meetings.
Speaker 3: Holy shit, we've been doing it.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 7: And it's like the idea that they actually are just
Speaker 7: gonna wipe all that data. Think how much money that
Speaker 7: information is worth to god knows who like their people
Speaker 7: out there would pay so much money for whatever that
Speaker 7: information is. They're not going to erase that. They've already
Speaker 7: probably already sold it more than a few times. You know,
Speaker 7: whatever that thing is to law enforcement.
Speaker 4: At least suddenly that video of Mark Zuckerberg and the
Speaker 4: you know, the boardroom meeting that when he first announced
Speaker 4: Meta and he's like, and here's what your boardroom meeting
Speaker 4: can look like. And then you log on there and
Speaker 4: you're in the meeting, Like what the fuck?
Speaker 5: I don't like Meta?
Speaker 4: Why am I in the meeting? Just like you agreed
Speaker 4: the last time we did a That's the thing. Every
Speaker 4: time I do the I agree to the uh we
Speaker 4: have new terms and conditions. I'm just like what, I'm
Speaker 4: not reading this and I know for a fact it
Speaker 4: says you can record me as I sleep or some
Speaker 4: shit that like I do not want to agree to.
Speaker 7: You know, we were just in Las Vegas for this
Speaker 7: psychedelic conference. I was I was like hanging out with
Speaker 7: some friends in the hotel and we were high, and
Speaker 7: we started thinking like what if. I don't know why
Speaker 7: we're thinking this, but we started thinking, what if Mark
Speaker 7: Zuckerberg just walked through the door right now, Like would
Speaker 7: you die?
Speaker 2: Would we die?
Speaker 7: We were like one of us would die, Like one
Speaker 7: of us would Your heart would explode? You know, just
Speaker 7: in the horror of seeing like suddenly he's like, hey.
Speaker 5: What's up, guys, just like what you said, Like, hey.
Speaker 2: What's up? Yeah, terms of service.
Speaker 7: You know, you didn't sign it, but the person we
Speaker 7: based the avatar that you are, I did sign it.
Speaker 2: And so yeah you're mine now, like you're you're an.
Speaker 7: Echo that I digitized and I own you completely.
Speaker 2: That you know, why not?
Speaker 7: Like that's the thing is, like, with all the terms
Speaker 7: of service stuff that we've signed, at some point, have
Speaker 7: we given away not our own identity obviously our own
Speaker 7: our own souls or bodies or whatever, but have we
Speaker 7: given up our autonomy over our form and personality? And
Speaker 7: you know what I mean to me, that just is
Speaker 7: so fucking creepy to imagine that we and then that
Speaker 7: you know, that gets even creeper because ideas, oh no,
Speaker 7: you've already been digitized, you know, like yeah, that's what
Speaker 7: this is.
Speaker 3: It would be terrible.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if there's a digitized hologram version of me out
Speaker 6: there that is also a comic and he's getting better
Speaker 6: gigs than me, having a better career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the metaverse.
Speaker 7: But just think, isn't that like isn't that just the
Speaker 7: way like once Ai figures out comedy and like, you know,
Speaker 7: just decides it's gonna walk around in your digitized form.
Speaker 2: And isn't it an inevitability that.
Speaker 7: You're like whatever that is as a much more popular
Speaker 7: podcast than yours, and people kind of like you because
Speaker 7: you look like that being, but they're like, yeah, you're
Speaker 7: not quite as funny.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go hang out with a digital you.
Speaker 4: I like your initial fear that Mark Zuckerberg is going
Speaker 4: to use all those terms of service to essentially be
Speaker 4: like an old style nineties pot dealer, where he's like,
Speaker 4: you have to hang out with me.
Speaker 5: You have signed it.
Speaker 4: In the terms of service. I'm here in Vegas and
Speaker 4: you fucking can't leave this room.
Speaker 6: Let's start with what are you guys talking about? And
Speaker 6: he just sits cross legged.
Speaker 4: And he has all that SPF on his face like
Speaker 4: he did in the Hawaiian photo where he's just like
Speaker 4: mind faced.
Speaker 2: Power is scary.
Speaker 7: Just sometimes when I'm really letting my mind wander, just
Speaker 7: the idea of like accidentally running into any of these
Speaker 7: people like Elon Musk or Zuckerberg or what's isn't that
Speaker 7: Bezos or anything? Wouldn't wouldn't there be an aspect of
Speaker 7: it that was just really creepy and scary.
Speaker 6: Yes, especially if it's in an elevator or a sauna
Speaker 6: or something, you can't just turn around and walk out. Yeah,
Speaker 6: they're shirtless, shirtless and sweaty, just Zuckerberg sweating it out.
Speaker 4: There was a clip of Leonardo DiCaprio, I think, meeting
Speaker 4: Bezos and his new girlfriend, and he could have been like,
Speaker 4: I love you, You're the greatest, but the physical thing
Speaker 4: that he did, he basically was like going like this
Speaker 4: and backing away, doing this thing with his hands like
Speaker 4: you two know. And it's the funniest silent clip where
Speaker 4: he's just like either they gotta go by, and then
Speaker 4: like he walks out of the clip where it's just
Speaker 4: like even if it's the kind of thing you can't
Speaker 4: control when you're just on video all the time, where
Speaker 4: it's just like, oh, you think you're you think that
Speaker 4: was a like like hey, great, nice to meet you, Sorry.
Speaker 5: I have to go over here, but it actually looked.
Speaker 4: Like a no thank you, like he pointed at them
Speaker 4: and then moved away.
Speaker 7: Hilarious, But look, I think that's a healthy reaction to
Speaker 7: that level of power and balance. It's just like, yes,
Speaker 7: how am I going to be myself around somebody who
Speaker 7: is like one of the new kings of like the
Speaker 7: new world order, like a duke of Hell? How am
Speaker 7: I going to like not be like slightly like jittery.
Speaker 4: And weird just practice every day in the mirror, going hey,
Speaker 4: pay your taxes, pay some taxes. You could solve everything
Speaker 4: if you would just pay some taxes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 7: But that being said, like, see, this is the thing, Like,
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of hubris, and I think
Speaker 7: that there's something very noble in people trying to make
Speaker 7: that aspect of the economy fair. But I think the state,
Speaker 7: the governments of the world have all this hubris when
Speaker 7: it comes to their ability to control these people. You know,
Speaker 7: it's like, uh, they're kings, and they let these wizards
Speaker 7: set up towers in their kingdom. And then the wizards
Speaker 7: started creating these beautiful magical devices that we all became
Speaker 7: so hyper dependent on. But then also the devices we're
Speaker 7: watching everything that we do, a panopticon, consensual panopticon, and
Speaker 7: so with government agents and people and all tears of
Speaker 7: the government are using these devices all the time to
Speaker 7: transmit state secrets in their own personal bullshit, And so
Speaker 7: there's some illusion that these people have now that suddenly
Speaker 7: they can tell the wizards like, listen, we're gonna break
Speaker 7: up your tower and you're gonna start giving us the
Speaker 7: gold that we've been giving you back. And the wizards
Speaker 7: are like, I know.
Speaker 2: Everything about you.
Speaker 7: I know when you shit, I know what you sound
Speaker 7: like when you have sex, because I've been recording it
Speaker 7: via my devices. I know every text you've sent to
Speaker 7: your wife, and every text you sent to your mistress,
Speaker 7: and every text you sent to your boyfriend. I know
Speaker 7: exactly what's an area of fifty one, and I have
Speaker 7: all this information to my servers. Do you really think
Speaker 7: we're going to give you our money? Yeah, no, of
Speaker 7: course not. And so to me, I think it's like,
Speaker 7: you know, it's worth a try. But look, I mean,
Speaker 7: if Jeffrey Epstein, with all the little bit of information
Speaker 7: he apparently had, could gain that much power and money
Speaker 7: and notoriety, how much more so Bezos or Zuckerberger, any
Speaker 7: of these fucking people. You know, I think they're probably
Speaker 7: already running the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, clearly they are.
Speaker 7: Clearly they are.
Speaker 3: Uh, that all just blew my mind.
Speaker 4: Then you turn to your three year old and go
Speaker 4: do you want some Apple sauce?
Speaker 5: Much else we can do?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 7: I don't I mean, yeah, there's probably not much we
Speaker 7: could do at this point with it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. You never know. The governments
Speaker 2: are very powerful. It's just I don't know how do
Speaker 2: you do it?
Speaker 5: Someone's gonna find the big plug.
Speaker 4: This was my thing when like when the Trump administration
Speaker 4: kind of when we thought it was bad, but we
Speaker 4: had no idea how bad it was about to get.
Speaker 4: My thing was like, why can't anyone figure out how
Speaker 4: to unplug Fox News? Like just some what isn't there
Speaker 4: some kind of computer system that somebody could hack and
Speaker 4: it just and turn off the feed of insanity into
Speaker 4: these people's minds? Like why can't that like that? It's
Speaker 4: almost like that's what Anonymous seem to promise that at
Speaker 4: one point we will come in and end you, and
Speaker 4: it's like where are you? Someone go in and just
Speaker 4: unplug it somehow.
Speaker 7: That just is gonna unplug Fox News and that'll just
Speaker 7: produce another story. You know, that creates even more validity
Speaker 7: to the propaganda. Right, no matter what you do there,
Speaker 7: if you let it just run full steam ahead, it
Speaker 7: does what it's doing now if you try to control
Speaker 7: it at all, it uses that attempt to prove its
Speaker 7: point regarding fascism, and so yeah, there's really not much
Speaker 7: you could do about it, right, like there.
Speaker 5: Is it doesn't seem like it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you take it away from the viewers,
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, they have vital time and they're
Speaker 6: going to get creative.
Speaker 3: No, just keep watching Fox News.
Speaker 7: Yeah, make love watch But it's so fun to watch
Speaker 7: Fox News like this is do you do? You not
Speaker 7: watch like like sit back and just sit down in
Speaker 7: front of the machine and take it all.
Speaker 5: You must you must, simply must.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 7: But because you it's it's I think it's really important.
Speaker 7: I think understanding all forms of propaganda are so important.
Speaker 7: And it's a real mind fuck to switch between Fox
Speaker 7: News and Ceenn and see, you know, identical data sets
Speaker 7: being completely warped to say completely anesthetical things. But there's
Speaker 7: it's the same thing, and it's you see that, and
Speaker 7: it's like, oh my god, information and truth right now
Speaker 7: are so so impossible to really understand.
Speaker 2: They're all distorted.
Speaker 7: No matter what the purveyor of the information is, there's
Speaker 7: always some distortion happening. It's really uh, because something about
Speaker 7: it is so entertaining.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you overlook the fact that it's scary as hell. Yeah,
Speaker 6: if you step back further, it can be entertaining. I
Speaker 6: suppose it's the shift.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got to do the shift, because that's all
Speaker 7: the Literally when I'm thinking, like, well, what real control
Speaker 7: do I have, you know, over the megalithic whatever the
Speaker 7: fuck monolithic monolithic?
Speaker 2: Now, I think megalith is an ancient structure.
Speaker 7: Monolithic, like monolithic, whatever it is. The only control is
Speaker 7: to like do some kind of shift where you can
Speaker 7: like understand the absurdity of it instead of being caught
Speaker 7: and in it. You know, maybe that's cowardly or something.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's obviously real world things you could do.
Speaker 7: Tell people you got a fucking vaccine, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean, Like just real simple things, try to make
Speaker 7: try to try to help people in your community, all
Speaker 7: that stuff.
Speaker 4: But community, don't you think community is kind of the
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing that when the storyline is
Speaker 4: everything's fake news and everything is dangerous, somehow getting in
Speaker 4: there and actually having the real world experience have a
Speaker 4: lot more compassion and a lot more connection for people
Speaker 4: because to me, you know, it used to feel really
Speaker 4: scary and then it was like to me, the people
Speaker 4: who talk about it well are the ones who talk
Speaker 4: about that. Basically, everything is about fear and how you
Speaker 4: combat fear, and it's like you combat fear with compassion
Speaker 4: and connection and so people aren't just left to their
Speaker 4: own devices. Like when you see the mask people all
Speaker 4: on the one corner in Huntington Beach, those are some
Speaker 4: of the loneliest people. That's what that story should be about, Yeause,
Speaker 4: like these people are going down there because they feel
Speaker 4: like no one understands them and no one likes them,
Speaker 4: and they don't have anything in their life, and so
Speaker 4: they're going down there to get that like high school
Speaker 4: you know, football game feeling again because they haven't had
Speaker 4: it in years and years.
Speaker 6: My brain is melting, and I swear I'm so convinced
Speaker 6: I have COVID right now that I can't I can't
Speaker 6: even think straight.
Speaker 2: I should I was rude to me. I should have
Speaker 2: waited after the podcast.
Speaker 5: Take the test.
Speaker 3: I will, I will, I will. It's too involved, but
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 6: I did it once before, and I do like being
Speaker 6: in control over how far you can stick that thing
Speaker 6: up your nostril because I really go for it because.
Speaker 3: It's me, it's not someone else.
Speaker 7: I took so many of those tests. They look like lollipops.
Speaker 7: You like, you know, you're doing this swab every time
Speaker 7: you're like, please just let the line be gone, and
Speaker 7: it's like it's not fucking gone. It's darker, you know,
Speaker 7: And then yeah, it's the craziest thing. I ended up
Speaker 7: with a just collection of these COVID I think my
Speaker 7: wife said they call them for been lollipops. Ended up
Speaker 7: with so many of them for testing over and over,
Speaker 7: and it's such a good feeling when the line starts
Speaker 7: like getting fainter, and oh my god, it feels so
Speaker 7: good when it's gone.
Speaker 2: It's the best.
Speaker 6: Oh really, you just kept testing while having it to
Speaker 6: see how much was it.
Speaker 7: It's all yeah, because the CDC's guidelines, they have guidelines
Speaker 7: about when the when it stops showing up, like when
Speaker 7: it's ethical to be around people.
Speaker 2: Oh basically, and I just wanted I didn't want to.
Speaker 7: I didn't feel right leaving the like, even though I
Speaker 7: like by the end I had no symptoms or whatever,
Speaker 7: I was still showing positive. I just felt I would
Speaker 7: have felt satanic right going down the fucking elevator with
Speaker 7: like COVID. You know, so it's just like you want
Speaker 7: it to be blank and then like anyway ten days
Speaker 7: they say, though, it's like we just tried to follow
Speaker 7: those those like whatever, those were just to not like
Speaker 7: kill people. Sure, it just seems likely this thing when
Speaker 7: I had COVID, if you have it, you'll get to
Speaker 7: experience this.
Speaker 3: I think I do. I'm so dizzy right now. I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm on drugs.
Speaker 2: I well know, that's the qual That's what you know.
Speaker 7: A lot of like you hear people say like brain
Speaker 7: fog and stuff with COVID. These are people who haven't
Speaker 7: taken psychedelics. If you've taken a psychedelic and you have COVID,
Speaker 7: you suddenly are like, whoa, I'm trip. I'm tripped, Like
Speaker 7: this is making me trip, Like I'm kind of fucking
Speaker 7: high right now. And I've talked to other people I
Speaker 7: read it. They say that, yeah, it's like got a
Speaker 7: psychedelic component to it, which is really weird, like it
Speaker 7: it's affecting and just because.
Speaker 2: I'm like a weirdo.
Speaker 7: I'm like in bed just thinking like oh, this is
Speaker 7: like whatever this thing is you can kind of you
Speaker 7: can kind of feel it scanning your body, you can
Speaker 7: kind of talk to it, and it doesn't work like
Speaker 7: a normal It's not like normal sicknesses, Like the symptoms
Speaker 7: are similar, but the way it treats your body is
Speaker 7: if your vaccinated, statistically you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Worried.
Speaker 6: I am looking forward to twenty years from now having
Speaker 6: the COVID flashbacks though.
Speaker 2: That is a little scary.
Speaker 7: Look, we're all thinking about that, like fuck, like, yeah,
Speaker 7: right now, I'm okay, but yeah, who knows what's coming?
Speaker 5: You know, it fucking knows.
Speaker 4: But also guess what, even if this wasn't happening, who
Speaker 4: knows what's coming.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's.
Speaker 4: Actually the that's just that's the old burden we're all
Speaker 4: caring in this life, which is you can get it
Speaker 4: all organized and you can line it all up exactly
Speaker 4: how you want, and it doesn't mean the bus isn't
Speaker 4: going to come and drive right through your fucking front door.
Speaker 5: Like it's just the way it is.
Speaker 4: We like to pretend we have control and then we
Speaker 4: know what's going on, and we absolutely don't. I think
Speaker 4: there is the advantage that some of us had in
Speaker 4: the pandemic and in quarantine.
Speaker 5: That was such a freaky time.
Speaker 4: I remember, like three months in because I kept every
Speaker 4: day I'd get.
Speaker 5: Up and go, I wonder if I'm gonna go crazy.
Speaker 4: I want to find a snap or something, you know,
Speaker 4: ID for me, and then I and then I realized
Speaker 4: a couple months in I was like, oh no, I've
Speaker 4: been I've been through way worse shit than this. Like
Speaker 4: I've been through way more personal loss and shit and
Speaker 4: fucking all kinds of stuff where it's like, oh no,
Speaker 4: I just have to stay in my house and I
Speaker 4: might at some point have to eat the kidney beans
Speaker 4: I've had up in the on the shelf for a
Speaker 4: really long time that.
Speaker 5: I don't prefer.
Speaker 4: That's probably as bad as it's going to get from
Speaker 4: me here in modern America. But other than that, it's
Speaker 4: not like my mom's gonna die again, you know.
Speaker 5: It's not like the.
Speaker 4: Really hard, awful shit I've been through. It set this
Speaker 4: table where it's like, oh, I feel bad for the
Speaker 4: people that haven't had massive loss or had their reality
Speaker 4: completely ripped in half, because I think if you went
Speaker 4: through something like that before this shit, when it was happening,
Speaker 4: you were just like all right, I can kind of
Speaker 4: like ride this way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the grief tribe.
Speaker 7: I think people with grief had like a little at
Speaker 7: an edge on people who hadn't had that bubble pop,
Speaker 7: which is what happens when your folks die.
Speaker 3: Or just young people.
Speaker 6: That's why right away I was like felt bad for
Speaker 6: young people going through this because it's like, oh, they've
Speaker 6: had no trauma to prepare themselves. Yes, right, and right
Speaker 6: at the point where you want to be riding bikes
Speaker 6: and going out and trying to kiss people for the
Speaker 6: first time, you're just in a house. The whole time
Speaker 6: I was thinking about kids. Yes, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: That a Lake of the Ozarks picture where there was
Speaker 4: like one hundred people in a very small pool that
Speaker 4: were all like, we don't care and we're could do
Speaker 4: it anyway.
Speaker 5: It's like mid mid quarantine.
Speaker 4: And there was a part of me that was like,
Speaker 4: if I was twenty two, I would have absolutely been
Speaker 4: at that stupid pool because totally that was like, it's
Speaker 4: all I cared about.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 4: I was definitely a drunk, and I was a stand
Speaker 4: up comic, and all I wanted to do every moment
Speaker 4: of the day was have fun. And be around other
Speaker 4: people my age and like connect with people. And if
Speaker 4: you were if that happened to you, and like, if
Speaker 4: I had to be quarantined at that point in my life,
Speaker 4: it would have been very dark.
Speaker 5: It had been really fucking bad.
Speaker 6: It is so interesting what is I'm experiencing right now
Speaker 6: with you too, because you're both saying really beautiful things.
Speaker 6: And I've never had my brain function at such a
Speaker 6: low level while also feeling like I am high on
Speaker 6: drugs even visually. Things are I honestly, it might be
Speaker 6: this allergy thing and maybe I have a bit of
Speaker 6: a fever, but I am I am convinced that while
Speaker 6: on the podcast, while recording, I have acquired this COVID thing.
Speaker 2: Why don't you do this? We'll just do Why we
Speaker 2: do this? Why don't you do the test? Do the test?
Speaker 2: Let me, I mean.
Speaker 5: Do it.
Speaker 3: I mean I might as well do the test.
Speaker 4: Also, I have to say, I love talking to you
Speaker 4: Duncan so much, and you and I do this some times,
Speaker 4: like I'm not as well read as you.
Speaker 5: I definitely don't.
Speaker 4: I avoid a lot of things that really scare me,
Speaker 4: Like you know, the things I like that scare me,
Speaker 4: But this stuff that scares me is like what you're
Speaker 4: talking about where it is this kind of like we've
Speaker 4: given away our we've signed away our identity. But I
Speaker 4: really enjoy discussing this with you of like this human experience.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying watching it.
Speaker 6: It's so funny that I'm one of the hosts of
Speaker 6: this podcast and all of a sudden, I was just
Speaker 6: watching a thing for entertainment, feeling kind of no pressure
Speaker 6: to chime in one because I don't want to sound dumb,
Speaker 6: but also my brain is currently melting in my skull.
Speaker 6: I'm going to do the test, but I do want
Speaker 6: to say it's been really fun to listen to Karen,
Speaker 6: to you talk about this stuff, because it is out
Speaker 6: of character for us to be listen.
Speaker 7: If you have it, I've got those people who were
Speaker 7: in Austin. They're in LA so I can connect you
Speaker 7: with them if you wann't, and they're like, they'll like
Speaker 7: come and get you hydrated and stuff and give you
Speaker 7: like events.
Speaker 6: And yeah, let's I mean this that's kind of involved.
Speaker 6: I have to like it takes ten minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: By the way, Karen, can I tell you something real quick?
Speaker 2: Both of you? I'm sorry. I don't mean to isolate
Speaker 2: because I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Karen. No, I've been I've been taking
Speaker 3: a real back COVID. Yeah, you know you.
Speaker 2: Have COVID. In ten days, we'll listen to you again.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 7: You're essentially a non human thing, you know, and you
Speaker 7: shouldn't have gone outside.
Speaker 3: But that, Yeah, I can't believe I left.
Speaker 7: So I was talking to my friend as a psychiatrist,
Speaker 7: and stop. I'm sure you already know this fact, so
Speaker 7: please stop stoping. He was saying, when in psychiatry you
Speaker 7: find yourself with a patient who is a sociopath, and
Speaker 7: you identify that because the patient isn't gonna obviously isn't
Speaker 7: gonna say I'm a sociopath, but you identify that this
Speaker 7: is a sociopath. The only thing you're supposed to do
Speaker 7: is imediately stop treatment, because they're all they're They're there
Speaker 7: to either hurt you or to to like learn something,
Speaker 7: to manipulate somebody else, or to do some fucked up thing.
Speaker 7: They're not there for treatment. How terrified is that? So
Speaker 7: fucking terrified when you're sitting in your office and you
Speaker 7: realize this is a fucking sociopath.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, my if you heard.
Speaker 4: That before, I think I may have read it somewhere,
Speaker 4: but I, first of all love it, and that exact
Speaker 4: kind of anecdote is exactly what I'm in that whole
Speaker 4: area for because I find the way. And this is
Speaker 4: that thing of like, we don't know about our brains
Speaker 4: very much like we all think we do and everybody
Speaker 4: thinks they're so fucking smart.
Speaker 5: We don't know shit.
Speaker 4: We don't, We truly don't, and we don't know how
Speaker 4: we work. And that whole idea that like you know,
Speaker 4: the uh well John Ronson of the sociopath test, but
Speaker 4: there was one about sociopaths in business where they're like
Speaker 4: any person that's running a huge business, the odds that
Speaker 4: they are a sociopath are flour like really good, because
Speaker 4: that's what it takes to get to the top, is
Speaker 4: to basically you run on winning, beating people, sex and revenge.
Speaker 4: Like everything is bag. It boils down to power. Everything
Speaker 4: is about power. And that idea that there are first
Speaker 4: of all, like being in la being in show business,
Speaker 4: it's like, oh yeah, there's so many more of those
Speaker 4: people in this town than like anywhere else in my opinion,
Speaker 4: and that idea that we are at the mercy of
Speaker 4: people like that, because oftentimes I think when somebody shows
Speaker 4: you behavior like that, you're just like, well, I would
Speaker 4: never do that, so there's no way that's what they're doing.
Speaker 5: But that's how they get you. That's how you become like.
Speaker 4: A sociopath victim sociopas and psychopaths and all that.
Speaker 5: Every part of that kind.
Speaker 4: Of psychology stuff is so fascinating because like it's that
Speaker 4: thing of there aren't not monsters, it's other people.
Speaker 5: Yes, Like that's the truth of it.
Speaker 4: It's like we wish it was like just Count Dracula
Speaker 4: and he was just this, you know, he was like
Speaker 4: Supernashal or whatever. But it's like, no, Count Dracula was
Speaker 4: probably just a sociopath that was like make sure everybody
Speaker 4: gives me their money and my castle gets bigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 6: I just realized I have always thought of like, when
Speaker 6: I feel like my career isn't going well, or when
Speaker 6: it's been in a position where nothing was happening, the
Speaker 6: silver lining is, well, at least I'm not a sociopath.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I didn't have to do what you have
Speaker 6: to do to become successful. Yeah, I'm riddled with self doubt.
Speaker 6: Like a healthy person, I had gonna lay down and
Speaker 6: not hurt anyone. You feel my brain is cooking.
Speaker 7: You get to experience joy and get compassion and not
Speaker 7: be a living, praying mantis creature that is essentially just
Speaker 7: like some kind of awful human avalanche, like pouring destruction
Speaker 7: into time.
Speaker 2: That's nice, man, Yeah.
Speaker 7: It's But don't you ever wonder, like if you ever
Speaker 7: like got in Paradolin that fuck?
Speaker 2: Am I associated?
Speaker 7: Like, am I tricking myself into thinking that these are
Speaker 7: actual human emotions I'm having when in fact they're just
Speaker 7: some pale, shadowy, sad attempt at summoning up a human experience.
Speaker 4: Or that like when you hear about other people's good
Speaker 4: news and you're just immediately like I fucking hate them
Speaker 4: or why them? That kind of thing that I think
Speaker 4: as comics we all feel very often or always have,
Speaker 4: because it's part of why we are can get on
Speaker 4: stage in front of people and tell jokes where that's
Speaker 4: most people's worst fears, because there's a piece of us
Speaker 4: that is like, I'm the one that should be talking,
Speaker 4: and I know this, and that there is that in
Speaker 4: us a little bit, But like I've definitely done like
Speaker 4: those kinds of brain exercises where I'm just like, do
Speaker 4: I want to crush everyone? Am I truly not happy
Speaker 4: be for one other person's good fortune?
Speaker 5: That's fucked up.
Speaker 3: It's a case by case thing with me.
Speaker 6: It is I'm oftentimes very honestly proud of people when
Speaker 6: but other times, yeah, I'm like that person, how dad?
Speaker 7: You know what I've heard sociopaths. They don't fucking think that.
Speaker 7: They're not sitting around.
Speaker 2: Like my I'm sociopad.
Speaker 7: They're like sharpening a fucking knife and like watching they're
Speaker 7: sharpening a knife, looking at a video on YouTube over
Speaker 7: and over again. So somebody they're gonna fuck up, that's.
Speaker 2: What they're doing. They're evil.
Speaker 7: They're like, Oh, I think I'm gonna go to a
Speaker 7: psychiatrist so I can get a fuckingscription for benzos so
Speaker 7: I can put it in their drink. That's probably what
Speaker 7: I'll do, you know, So yeah, you don't have to worry.
Speaker 7: You know, you're probably But my friends, you know, I
Speaker 7: think these borderline and all the personality disorders they exit,
Speaker 7: they all exist within us, Like there's some You're not
Speaker 7: gonna have a perfect personality there's some thing in it
Speaker 7: that is so yes you. It's like, yeah, you probably
Speaker 7: do have some symptoms of this or that, you know,
Speaker 7: which is why I don't go in.
Speaker 2: The fucking DSM four man.
Speaker 7: My mom was a psychologist and I used to just
Speaker 7: sit and flip through that fucking thing.
Speaker 3: I have that.
Speaker 2: I'm that, I'm that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I love it too.
Speaker 4: Is that's the story over and over again where it's
Speaker 4: like it can't when they find that.
Speaker 5: People are like.
Speaker 4: You know, sociopaths, serial killers are something very horrifying and
Speaker 4: like off the charts, and people are just like he
Speaker 4: was so nice, and it's like right, they do that
Speaker 4: on purpose, Like they don't. They're never going to get
Speaker 4: pulled over and be like here, officer, here's my license
Speaker 4: and be nervous.
Speaker 5: They don't get nervous ever. They're never nervous.
Speaker 4: They never feel love or hate or any it's just like,
Speaker 4: get me mine always, Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: Why do I keep thinking of Will Smith? I kind
Speaker 3: of like that guy?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how dare I know?
Speaker 3: What am I talking about? My brain? It's it's a virus.
Speaker 3: I love Will Smith.
Speaker 6: I'm saying he's the most lovable sociopath.
Speaker 7: Honestly, one of the first symptoms of COVID. That's one
Speaker 7: of the first symptoms you think Will Smith is a sociopath.
Speaker 2: No one knows why, but it's.
Speaker 6: Like one of the I would have done the test on.
Speaker 6: I think it would have been a fun end to
Speaker 6: this episode if I was like, hey, it's red, but
Speaker 6: I am not smart enough to even read the directions
Speaker 6: and figure it out.
Speaker 3: I know one of these things has to go into
Speaker 3: an orifice.
Speaker 5: We'll follow up. Yeah, yeah, I would.
Speaker 6: Like to know this has been I mean, I usually
Speaker 6: at the end I say, you've been listening, but I've
Speaker 6: been listening as well, and you.
Speaker 2: Guys it was funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what what's You're doing? A voice in a
Speaker 6: new series?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, that's Crapopolis.
Speaker 2: That's gonna you know, it's animation. So it's going to
Speaker 2: be out in a while.
Speaker 7: I'm sooner than that. I'm gonna be at the Zanies
Speaker 7: in Nashville the weekend after Valentine's Day, so and that's
Speaker 7: gonna be one of my first show. That's going to
Speaker 7: be my return to like actually like touring and doing
Speaker 7: stand ups.
Speaker 2: I'm excited. Sagredacious and nervous.
Speaker 4: If you haven't seen Duncan Trussell do stand up comedy,
Speaker 4: you absolutely have to see him. He is one of
Speaker 4: the most fascinating, interesting, hilarious comedians. You feel like you
Speaker 4: were taught something at the end, you think about new things.
Speaker 4: It's an amazing live experience. You absolutely should go.
Speaker 2: Hey, thank y'all the best.
Speaker 7: It's so wonderful to get to get time to hang
Speaker 7: out with you, and I'm excited. I'm coming back to
Speaker 7: LA in the summer. Hopefully you can see each other
Speaker 7: in person. Hang out anytime, y'all have time. I love
Speaker 7: to have you on my show. I know you've already
Speaker 7: been on camera, but I'd love to.
Speaker 6: Have Yeah, and I will be firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 6: My brain will be functioning. My brain took a back
Speaker 6: seat today, but uh, I will do it when I'm
Speaker 6: fully functioning.
Speaker 7: Love it, Hey, seriously, if you do, if you're positive,
Speaker 7: reach out to me and like I'm telling I will
Speaker 7: you want some you will?
Speaker 2: This is good. It's a good Hey.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was inevitable that I was going to get it.
Speaker 6: I'm fully convinced I know it. This isn't a prank
Speaker 6: I'm doing for this episode, I am getting worse and worse.
Speaker 5: I'm like, amaz'd be an amazing prank. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 5: we'll wrap it up before you really.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, don great to see you again.
Speaker 5: Yes, we love you, Thank you so much, love you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.
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