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Speaker 2: I you wanna way back home?

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Speaker 3: Either way, we want to be there.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim and give us

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Speaker 4: time and a terminol and gay.

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Speaker 5: We want to send you off in style.

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Speaker 4: We wanna welcome you back home.

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Speaker 5: Tell us all about it. We scared?

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Speaker 4: Or was it fine? Malborn?

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Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 5: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 3: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 5: Do you need to ride?

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Speaker 3: Do you need to ride? Ride with Karen and Chris?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Do you need a ride? This is Chris Fairbanks.

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Speaker 5: And this is Karen Kilgaroff.

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Speaker 6: Karen my friend. Are you a sufferer of allergies?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: I am having them, so there's no reason. I look outside,

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Speaker 6: there's no wind. It's a mild day, and I couldn't

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Speaker 6: even sleep, and I sound nasally.

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Speaker 3: What is happening?

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Speaker 5: Could you have a sinus infection?

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Speaker 3: I got it in the middle of the night.

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Speaker 6: It's somehow I don't understand what is happening and my

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Speaker 6: voice I sound like Grizzly Adams.

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Speaker 4: I think that's great for podcasting now, I swear to God,

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Speaker 4: because it's just a different vibe. People will start listening

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Speaker 4: and they're going to be.

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Speaker 5: Like, who is this so chratistic?

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Speaker 4: Seventies after? That's podcasting right now?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, okay, that's I like that.

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Speaker 5: Chris Sexels. I've told you this a thousand times.

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Speaker 3: You're right, it is sexy that I have flem in

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Speaker 3: my throat.

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Speaker 5: Yes, women love flem and men.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best. You better,

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Speaker 3: I will I always do for today's guest.

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Speaker 5: You better do your best.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited about today's guest.

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Speaker 5: I am too.

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Speaker 6: He's someone I have not seen for far too long.

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Speaker 6: I don't even know where he resides.

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Speaker 5: Now that'll be question number one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll start with that.

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Speaker 6: But as a stand up comic, I used to love

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Speaker 6: watching him perform, and I love his podcast. You probably

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Speaker 6: know him from his podcast The Duncan Frescol Family Hour. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: and if you haven't seen it yet, do watch The

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Speaker 6: Midnight Gospel on Netflix. Yes, beautiful, because it is genius

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Speaker 6: beautiful to watch everyone put your ears together?

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Speaker 7: What yees?

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Speaker 3: I almost told people to clap at home.

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Speaker 5: It would be cool.

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Speaker 6: Pull your hands together, even if you're driving, wherever you're

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Speaker 6: listening at work, do clap out loud for Duncan Tressel.

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Speaker 3: Hi, how are you, buddy?

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Speaker 7: I'm great. You know that when I thought I had allergies,

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Speaker 7: you know what it was?

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Speaker 2: My friend?

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Speaker 3: Uh oh COVID.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, you should get tested.

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Speaker 7: COVID's symptoms are identical to allergies, which is why it's

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Speaker 7: so like rampant, because people just think they have allergies.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, maybe it's time to go.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean to start. I don't mean to start.

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry for starting where the COVID diagnosis.

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Speaker 5: Start with the negative.

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Speaker 3: This is what's.

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Speaker 6: Happening, and why would I Yet it answers all the

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Speaker 6: questions like I'm not near the beach a place I'm

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Speaker 6: allergic by the way, Yeah, I'm allergic to the ocean.

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Speaker 6: That's nice to find out. But yeah, there's nothing happening outside.

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Speaker 6: And I used to judge, like when I lived in Austin,

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Speaker 3: I used to judge them. Yeah, and now this is

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Speaker 2: Is, No, it's not.

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Speaker 7: Actually that's where I got the disease was in Austin

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Speaker 7: is because of just what you're saying. Everyone thought they

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Speaker 7: had allergies because the symptoms are generally just allergies. Runny nose,

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Speaker 7: your eyes get itchy, yep, you know, and like, but no,

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Speaker 7: it's it's covid.

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Speaker 5: And how was your COVID experience, duncan? Was it horrible

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Speaker 7: I'm vaccinated, so I got the vaccinated COVID experience, which

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Speaker 7: It was just like mild symptoms. It's like fucking allergies. Sneeze,

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Speaker 7: COVID is not fun. Is you're one of them and

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Speaker 3: That sucked.

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Speaker 2: But I got. I mean I'm lucky.

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Speaker 7: So I had really good I had these like IV

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Speaker 7: It was nice, No, it was nice, but it was

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Speaker 7: just like I don't care what the hotel is when

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Speaker 6: It's who provided these IV people and nurses. It was

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go on stage with your allergy?

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Speaker 6: So funny how one hundred percent convinced I am that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but the good thing is you can go to

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Speaker 4: CVS and get those real quick tests. Like it's not

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Speaker 4: the old Dodger Stadium days where you're in line in your.

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Speaker 3: Mean one of these Oh there you see, I have

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Speaker 2: Boom, there you go. You could do the test and

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Speaker 5: Podcast and then we'll see what the results are.

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Speaker 6: It'll be revealed like the lambst revealed party ever.

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Speaker 7: Due I I yeah, and it happened. It was like

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Speaker 7: was like, does this mean I have COVID? She's like,

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Speaker 7: disease your patient zero.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I have got to do it. I'm anxious at

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Speaker 6: least all have an answer. Yeah, yeah, you probably don't.

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Speaker 5: That is awful.

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Speaker 7: For the yes, it's awful. It's like you did. It's

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Speaker 7: like STDs minus the sex.

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Speaker 2: You've got.

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Speaker 7: So so the same weird shame, but we like, remember

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Speaker 4: To just we went over our Netflix viewing of the month.

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Speaker 4: And now I've given you something.

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Speaker 7: Given you a plague that will be remembered for centuries.

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Speaker 4: Duncan, here's I haven't seen you in so long that

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Speaker 5: That's very upsetting to me.

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Speaker 4: But congratulations, not the children part, but congratulations. Will you

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Speaker 4: are their names?

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Speaker 7: Oh? I love to Yeah, sure, well the oldest is

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Speaker 7: they're wonderful. Just it's the greatest thing ever to like

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Speaker 2: Is it's true? Yeah, I mean that's the problem. That's everything.

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Speaker 7: Everyone said everything already, right, but it's.

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Speaker 5: That that's great though. I bet you're a great dad.

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Speaker 5: But that seems like something that would really work.

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Speaker 2: I want it though. That's a huge compliment, and I

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Speaker 7: There's a book I'm reading and there's a termain it

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Speaker 3: He like was always fighting.

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Speaker 7: Like our parents were like like getting in vicious fights

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. Did you give you did you crush

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Speaker 5: It was like a kind of a crunchy. You could

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Speaker 4: And heavy breathing, And so I'm laying there going no way.

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Speaker 5: And we were like, like, never seen that before.

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Speaker 4: And he was like a fucking Jets and Sharks switchblade

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Speaker 6: It must have been so hard to stab it.

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Speaker 3: We killed it, he still killed it again. You gotta

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Speaker 7: Down, Yes, exactly, the family way, you get the respect

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Speaker 7: But I stabbed him to death in front of the kids,

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Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, that's our dad. Anyway. Switch blades worked too.

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Speaker 4: I know. I don't think I spent one day ever

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's look, that is badass.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna shoot him.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna get up close to them.

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Speaker 2: Their eyes their eyes dilate, is like uncture.

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Speaker 5: They're drain the blood from their body with a gun.

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Speaker 3: You can't feel the blade hitting bone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but you know it's funny.

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Speaker 2: Good enough parent, the good good enough parent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it was some podcasts I was listening to

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Speaker 2: It's the same shit.

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Speaker 7: It's like with you know, like one thing, all of

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Speaker 7: then they start unloading on you about people that they've

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Speaker 7: But the exact identical thing can happen as a parent,

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Speaker 7: like most parents do that. I mean, I don't see

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Speaker 7: How are you not going to freak out? You've got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going out into the world where yours aren't yet.

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Speaker 4: But that kind of like came out as I began

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Speaker 5: Where I was like because there was other bad shit.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't leave it alone.

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Speaker 4: And I finally told my sister where I was like, look,

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Speaker 4: I'm just really worried something's gonna happen to Nora, and

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Speaker 4: she goes, well, welcome to parenthood.

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Speaker 5: That's young every day, Like fuck you too bad?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, yeah, Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 5: I'm in it with you now.

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Speaker 7: And you know what else, you can't fucking enjoy dateline

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Speaker 7: anymore because like anytime anyone's like parents are getting killed

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Speaker 7: And maybe this is an indication of how sick I am,

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Speaker 7: but you know, in the old days, you'd sit and

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Speaker 7: decapitated with an hack. Whoa, that is fucked up. But

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Speaker 7: are they gonna go into a foster program? Oh my god,

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Speaker 7: I gotta get my fucking will. What are we gonna

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Speaker 7: do if we figured out what we're gonna do about

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Speaker 7: the kids if we get murdered Aaron? You know, like

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Speaker 7: weird to say we enjoy murder shows, but you know,

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Speaker 7: with you, I mean come on, get Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's almost like there's the distance of when say

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Speaker 5: That's intense, but you're way out here. You're just in.

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Speaker 4: Your own world and you're like in your twenties partying

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Speaker 5: But then the.

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Speaker 4: More the more you're in the game, the more skin

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Speaker 5: That's the worst thing I've ever heard. Oh my god,

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Speaker 4: And then it absolutely evolves and changes as you evolve

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Speaker 4: Like it becomes this thing that is It definitely changes.

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Speaker 4: I've seen it change since I you know, when serial

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Speaker 5: Because it was a thing of suddenly.

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Speaker 4: Like you have heard about ed geen. Right, that's what

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Speaker 4: fascination part. But as it goes, yeah, you start going

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Speaker 5: It's horrifying.

445
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Speaker 3: And my mom, even when I was a kid, she

446
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 3: would make me nervous.

447
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 6: She would tell me, Yeah, there's men out there in

448
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 6: vans that will snatch you up and we won't find you.

449
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 6: So that's why you have to wear carry this hunter's

450
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 6: orange vest and stop sign and call a lot of

451
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 6: attention to yourself.

452
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 3: Like I was paranoid about kidnappers.

453
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Speaker 7: I mean, don't you think calling attention to yourself is

454
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 7: going to increase your odds of being kidnapped?

455
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 3: I know.

456
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 4: Now I'm thinking she should have given you like a

457
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 4: camouflage sweatshirt. Yeah, and then just like stay low and

458
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 4: in the bushes.

459
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

460
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

461
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Speaker 6: And it's so funny because I was dressed like a

462
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Speaker 6: crossing guard. I ended up in the newspaper. And then

463
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 6: newspapers used to do this. They just had my parents'

464
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 6: names and our home address under the photo. It's like, well, that's,

465
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 6: oh my god, that's just not going to help the

466
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 6: situation at all.

467
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 7: How many basements was your picture on? Like how many basements?

468
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Speaker 7: With some weird map and like a guy looking at

469
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Speaker 7: you like I'll find the crossing God?

470
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Speaker 4: I mean, that is that kind of thing that they

471
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 4: had to change stuff like that. That was like the

472
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 4: eighties right where they're like, you know, we shouldn't put

473
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 4: children's addresses in the newspaper anymore.

474
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Speaker 6: I guess they were doing it back then to say, hey,

475
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 6: we have permission to put this kid in the paper

476
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 6: his parents. I don't know why they went. It was

477
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 6: just for something to say, yeah, this kid walks to school.

478
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 6: Here's it's a dress.

479
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:28,479
Speaker 3: I don't know.

480
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, twice I was in the paper walking to school

481
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Speaker 6: and I gotta get a copy of that because it

482
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Speaker 6: was just.

483
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Speaker 2: You know what, they're good.

484
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Speaker 7: They're gonna look at people putting their kids on Instagram

485
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 7: in the same way. Yeah, oh yeah, and ten or

486
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 7: fifteen years people are gonna be like, what the fuck were.

487
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: You doing that for?

488
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Speaker 7: Didn't you know about deep fakes and AI and facial

489
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 7: recognition and like, your kid's gonna end up in some

490
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:58,199
Speaker 7: like facial recognition augmented reality goggled thing for kidnappers so

491
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 7: they can know their name and then like cross references

492
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 7: all your Facebook posts and know your grandmother is and

493
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 7: just pick them up in school, no problem. You know,

494
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 7: like that is gonna happen, and people, it's gonna happen,

495
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 7: and it's spooky.

496
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: What about when he fucking Markus Zuckerberg was like, oh,

497
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna stop doing facial recognition software where it's like

498
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: no one knew you were doing that, and they came

499
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 4: out like, oh, we're suspending all of that where it's

500
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: like sorry, did it start already or what's this announcement?

501
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 6: Oh I forget what I say to public and what

502
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 6: I say in meetings.

503
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Speaker 3: Holy shit, we've been doing it.

504
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 5: Yes, it's crazy.

505
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.

506
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 7: And it's like the idea that they actually are just

507
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 7: gonna wipe all that data. Think how much money that

508
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 7: information is worth to god knows who like their people

509
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 7: out there would pay so much money for whatever that

510
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 7: information is. They're not going to erase that. They've already

511
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 7: probably already sold it more than a few times. You know,

512
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 7: whatever that thing is to law enforcement.

513
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 4: At least suddenly that video of Mark Zuckerberg and the

514
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 4: you know, the boardroom meeting that when he first announced

515
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 4: Meta and he's like, and here's what your boardroom meeting

516
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 4: can look like. And then you log on there and

517
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: you're in the meeting, Like what the fuck?

518
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 5: I don't like Meta?

519
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 4: Why am I in the meeting? Just like you agreed

520
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 4: the last time we did a That's the thing. Every

521
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 4: time I do the I agree to the uh we

522
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 4: have new terms and conditions. I'm just like what, I'm

523
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: not reading this and I know for a fact it

524
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 4: says you can record me as I sleep or some

525
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: shit that like I do not want to agree to.

526
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 7: You know, we were just in Las Vegas for this

527
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 7: psychedelic conference. I was I was like hanging out with

528
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 7: some friends in the hotel and we were high, and

529
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 7: we started thinking like what if. I don't know why

530
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 7: we're thinking this, but we started thinking, what if Mark

531
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 7: Zuckerberg just walked through the door right now, Like would

532
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 7: you die?

533
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: Would we die?

534
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 7: We were like one of us would die, Like one

535
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 7: of us would Your heart would explode? You know, just

536
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 7: in the horror of seeing like suddenly he's like, hey.

537
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 5: What's up, guys, just like what you said, Like, hey.

538
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 2: What's up? Yeah, terms of service.

539
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 7: You know, you didn't sign it, but the person we

540
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 7: based the avatar that you are, I did sign it.

541
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: And so yeah you're mine now, like you're you're an.

542
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 7: Echo that I digitized and I own you completely.

543
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: That you know, why not?

544
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 7: Like that's the thing is, like, with all the terms

545
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 7: of service stuff that we've signed, at some point, have

546
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 7: we given away not our own identity obviously our own

547
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 7: our own souls or bodies or whatever, but have we

548
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 7: given up our autonomy over our form and personality? And

549
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 7: you know what I mean to me, that just is

550
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 7: so fucking creepy to imagine that we and then that

551
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 7: you know, that gets even creeper because ideas, oh no,

552
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 7: you've already been digitized, you know, like yeah, that's what

553
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 7: this is.

554
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Speaker 3: It would be terrible.

555
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, if there's a digitized hologram version of me out

556
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 6: there that is also a comic and he's getting better

557
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 6: gigs than me, having a better career.

558
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the metaverse.

559
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 7: But just think, isn't that like isn't that just the

560
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 7: way like once Ai figures out comedy and like, you know,

561
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 7: just decides it's gonna walk around in your digitized form.

562
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: And isn't it an inevitability that.

563
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 7: You're like whatever that is as a much more popular

564
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 7: podcast than yours, and people kind of like you because

565
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 7: you look like that being, but they're like, yeah, you're

566
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 7: not quite as funny.

567
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go hang out with a digital you.

568
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: I like your initial fear that Mark Zuckerberg is going

569
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 4: to use all those terms of service to essentially be

570
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: like an old style nineties pot dealer, where he's like,

571
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 4: you have to hang out with me.

572
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 5: You have signed it.

573
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 4: In the terms of service. I'm here in Vegas and

574
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: you fucking can't leave this room.

575
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 6: Let's start with what are you guys talking about? And

576
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 6: he just sits cross legged.

577
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 4: And he has all that SPF on his face like

578
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: he did in the Hawaiian photo where he's just like

579
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 4: mind faced.

580
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 2: Power is scary.

581
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 7: Just sometimes when I'm really letting my mind wander, just

582
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 7: the idea of like accidentally running into any of these

583
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 7: people like Elon Musk or Zuckerberg or what's isn't that

584
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 7: Bezos or anything? Wouldn't wouldn't there be an aspect of

585
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 7: it that was just really creepy and scary.

586
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 6: Yes, especially if it's in an elevator or a sauna

587
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 6: or something, you can't just turn around and walk out. Yeah,

588
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 6: they're shirtless, shirtless and sweaty, just Zuckerberg sweating it out.

589
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 4: There was a clip of Leonardo DiCaprio, I think, meeting

590
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: Bezos and his new girlfriend, and he could have been like,

591
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: I love you, You're the greatest, but the physical thing

592
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: that he did, he basically was like going like this

593
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 4: and backing away, doing this thing with his hands like

594
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 4: you two know. And it's the funniest silent clip where

595
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: he's just like either they gotta go by, and then

596
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: like he walks out of the clip where it's just

597
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 4: like even if it's the kind of thing you can't

598
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: control when you're just on video all the time, where

599
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: it's just like, oh, you think you're you think that

600
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: was a like like hey, great, nice to meet you, Sorry.

601
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 5: I have to go over here, but it actually looked.

602
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: Like a no thank you, like he pointed at them

603
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: and then moved away.

604
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 7: Hilarious, But look, I think that's a healthy reaction to

605
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 7: that level of power and balance. It's just like, yes,

606
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 7: how am I going to be myself around somebody who

607
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 7: is like one of the new kings of like the

608
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 7: new world order, like a duke of Hell? How am

609
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 7: I going to like not be like slightly like jittery.

610
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: And weird just practice every day in the mirror, going hey,

611
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 4: pay your taxes, pay some taxes. You could solve everything

612
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 4: if you would just pay some taxes.

613
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.

614
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 7: But that being said, like, see, this is the thing, Like,

615
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of hubris, and I think

616
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 7: that there's something very noble in people trying to make

617
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 7: that aspect of the economy fair. But I think the state,

618
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 7: the governments of the world have all this hubris when

619
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 7: it comes to their ability to control these people. You know,

620
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 7: it's like, uh, they're kings, and they let these wizards

621
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 7: set up towers in their kingdom. And then the wizards

622
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 7: started creating these beautiful magical devices that we all became

623
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 7: so hyper dependent on. But then also the devices we're

624
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 7: watching everything that we do, a panopticon, consensual panopticon, and

625
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 7: so with government agents and people and all tears of

626
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 7: the government are using these devices all the time to

627
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 7: transmit state secrets in their own personal bullshit, And so

628
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 7: there's some illusion that these people have now that suddenly

629
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 7: they can tell the wizards like, listen, we're gonna break

630
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 7: up your tower and you're gonna start giving us the

631
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 7: gold that we've been giving you back. And the wizards

632
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 7: are like, I know.

633
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: Everything about you.

634
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 7: I know when you shit, I know what you sound

635
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 7: like when you have sex, because I've been recording it

636
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 7: via my devices. I know every text you've sent to

637
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 7: your wife, and every text you sent to your mistress,

638
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 7: and every text you sent to your boyfriend. I know

639
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 7: exactly what's an area of fifty one, and I have

640
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 7: all this information to my servers. Do you really think

641
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 7: we're going to give you our money? Yeah, no, of

642
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 7: course not. And so to me, I think it's like,

643
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 7: you know, it's worth a try. But look, I mean,

644
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 7: if Jeffrey Epstein, with all the little bit of information

645
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 7: he apparently had, could gain that much power and money

646
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 7: and notoriety, how much more so Bezos or Zuckerberger, any

647
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 7: of these fucking people. You know, I think they're probably

648
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 7: already running the show.

649
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, clearly they are.

650
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 7: Clearly they are.

651
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: Uh, that all just blew my mind.

652
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: Then you turn to your three year old and go

653
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: do you want some Apple sauce?

654
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: Much else we can do?

655
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's true.

656
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 7: I don't I mean, yeah, there's probably not much we

657
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 7: could do at this point with it.

658
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. You never know. The governments

659
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: are very powerful. It's just I don't know how do

660
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: you do it?

661
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 5: Someone's gonna find the big plug.

662
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 4: This was my thing when like when the Trump administration

663
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 4: kind of when we thought it was bad, but we

664
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 4: had no idea how bad it was about to get.

665
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: My thing was like, why can't anyone figure out how

666
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: to unplug Fox News? Like just some what isn't there

667
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: some kind of computer system that somebody could hack and

668
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: it just and turn off the feed of insanity into

669
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 4: these people's minds? Like why can't that like that? It's

670
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 4: almost like that's what Anonymous seem to promise that at

671
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: one point we will come in and end you, and

672
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: it's like where are you? Someone go in and just

673
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: unplug it somehow.

674
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 7: That just is gonna unplug Fox News and that'll just

675
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 7: produce another story. You know, that creates even more validity

676
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 7: to the propaganda. Right, no matter what you do there,

677
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 7: if you let it just run full steam ahead, it

678
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 7: does what it's doing now if you try to control

679
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 7: it at all, it uses that attempt to prove its

680
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 7: point regarding fascism, and so yeah, there's really not much

681
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 7: you could do about it, right, like there.

682
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: Is it doesn't seem like it.

683
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you take it away from the viewers,

684
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, they have vital time and they're

685
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 6: going to get creative.

686
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: No, just keep watching Fox News.

687
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, make love watch But it's so fun to watch

688
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 7: Fox News like this is do you do? You not

689
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 7: watch like like sit back and just sit down in

690
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 7: front of the machine and take it all.

691
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 5: You must you must, simply must.

692
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: You have to.

693
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 7: But because you it's it's I think it's really important.

694
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 7: I think understanding all forms of propaganda are so important.

695
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 7: And it's a real mind fuck to switch between Fox

696
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 7: News and Ceenn and see, you know, identical data sets

697
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 7: being completely warped to say completely anesthetical things. But there's

698
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 7: it's the same thing, and it's you see that, and

699
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 7: it's like, oh my god, information and truth right now

700
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 7: are so so impossible to really understand.

701
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: They're all distorted.

702
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 7: No matter what the purveyor of the information is, there's

703
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 7: always some distortion happening. It's really uh, because something about

704
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 7: it is so entertaining.

705
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you overlook the fact that it's scary as hell. Yeah,

706
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 6: if you step back further, it can be entertaining. I

707
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 6: suppose it's the shift.

708
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got to do the shift, because that's all

709
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 7: the Literally when I'm thinking, like, well, what real control

710
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 7: do I have, you know, over the megalithic whatever the

711
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 7: fuck monolithic monolithic?

712
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: Now, I think megalith is an ancient structure.

713
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 7: Monolithic, like monolithic, whatever it is. The only control is

714
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 7: to like do some kind of shift where you can

715
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 7: like understand the absurdity of it instead of being caught

716
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 7: and in it. You know, maybe that's cowardly or something.

717
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 7: I mean, there's obviously real world things you could do.

718
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 7: Tell people you got a fucking vaccine, you know what

719
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 7: I mean, Like just real simple things, try to make

720
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 7: try to try to help people in your community, all

721
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 7: that stuff.

722
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: But community, don't you think community is kind of the

723
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing that when the storyline is

724
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: everything's fake news and everything is dangerous, somehow getting in

725
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: there and actually having the real world experience have a

726
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: lot more compassion and a lot more connection for people

727
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 4: because to me, you know, it used to feel really

728
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 4: scary and then it was like to me, the people

729
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: who talk about it well are the ones who talk

730
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: about that. Basically, everything is about fear and how you

731
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: combat fear, and it's like you combat fear with compassion

732
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: and connection and so people aren't just left to their

733
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 4: own devices. Like when you see the mask people all

734
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: on the one corner in Huntington Beach, those are some

735
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: of the loneliest people. That's what that story should be about, Yeause,

736
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 4: like these people are going down there because they feel

737
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: like no one understands them and no one likes them,

738
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: and they don't have anything in their life, and so

739
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 4: they're going down there to get that like high school

740
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: you know, football game feeling again because they haven't had

741
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 4: it in years and years.

742
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 6: My brain is melting, and I swear I'm so convinced

743
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 6: I have COVID right now that I can't I can't

744
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 6: even think straight.

745
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: I should I was rude to me. I should have

746
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: waited after the podcast.

747
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 5: Take the test.

748
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: I will, I will, I will. It's too involved, but

749
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: I do.

750
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 6: I did it once before, and I do like being

751
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 6: in control over how far you can stick that thing

752
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 6: up your nostril because I really go for it because.

753
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: It's me, it's not someone else.

754
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 7: I took so many of those tests. They look like lollipops.

755
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 7: You like, you know, you're doing this swab every time

756
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 7: you're like, please just let the line be gone, and

757
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 7: it's like it's not fucking gone. It's darker, you know,

758
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 7: And then yeah, it's the craziest thing. I ended up

759
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 7: with a just collection of these COVID I think my

760
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 7: wife said they call them for been lollipops. Ended up

761
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 7: with so many of them for testing over and over,

762
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 7: and it's such a good feeling when the line starts

763
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 7: like getting fainter, and oh my god, it feels so

764
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 7: good when it's gone.

765
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: It's the best.

766
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 6: Oh really, you just kept testing while having it to

767
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 6: see how much was it.

768
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 7: It's all yeah, because the CDC's guidelines, they have guidelines

769
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 7: about when the when it stops showing up, like when

770
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 7: it's ethical to be around people.

771
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: Oh basically, and I just wanted I didn't want to.

772
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 7: I didn't feel right leaving the like, even though I

773
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 7: like by the end I had no symptoms or whatever,

774
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 7: I was still showing positive. I just felt I would

775
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 7: have felt satanic right going down the fucking elevator with

776
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 7: like COVID. You know, so it's just like you want

777
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 7: it to be blank and then like anyway ten days

778
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 7: they say, though, it's like we just tried to follow

779
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 7: those those like whatever, those were just to not like

780
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 7: kill people. Sure, it just seems likely this thing when

781
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 7: I had COVID, if you have it, you'll get to

782
00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 7: experience this.

783
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: I think I do. I'm so dizzy right now. I

784
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: feel like I'm on drugs.

785
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: I well know, that's the qual That's what you know.

786
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 7: A lot of like you hear people say like brain

787
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 7: fog and stuff with COVID. These are people who haven't

788
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 7: taken psychedelics. If you've taken a psychedelic and you have COVID,

789
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 7: you suddenly are like, whoa, I'm trip. I'm tripped, Like

790
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 7: this is making me trip, Like I'm kind of fucking

791
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 7: high right now. And I've talked to other people I

792
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 7: read it. They say that, yeah, it's like got a

793
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 7: psychedelic component to it, which is really weird, like it

794
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 7: it's affecting and just because.

795
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: I'm like a weirdo.

796
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 7: I'm like in bed just thinking like oh, this is

797
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 7: like whatever this thing is you can kind of you

798
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 7: can kind of feel it scanning your body, you can

799
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 7: kind of talk to it, and it doesn't work like

800
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 7: a normal It's not like normal sicknesses, Like the symptoms

801
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 7: are similar, but the way it treats your body is

802
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 7: if your vaccinated, statistically you're gonna.

803
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: Worried.

804
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 6: I am looking forward to twenty years from now having

805
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 6: the COVID flashbacks though.

806
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: That is a little scary.

807
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 7: Look, we're all thinking about that, like fuck, like, yeah,

808
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 7: right now, I'm okay, but yeah, who knows what's coming?

809
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 5: You know, it fucking knows.

810
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 4: But also guess what, even if this wasn't happening, who

811
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: knows what's coming.

812
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 5: I mean, that's.

813
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: Actually the that's just that's the old burden we're all

814
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: caring in this life, which is you can get it

815
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 4: all organized and you can line it all up exactly

816
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: how you want, and it doesn't mean the bus isn't

817
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: going to come and drive right through your fucking front door.

818
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 5: Like it's just the way it is.

819
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 4: We like to pretend we have control and then we

820
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 4: know what's going on, and we absolutely don't. I think

821
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 4: there is the advantage that some of us had in

822
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: the pandemic and in quarantine.

823
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 5: That was such a freaky time.

824
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: I remember, like three months in because I kept every

825
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 4: day I'd get.

826
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 5: Up and go, I wonder if I'm gonna go crazy.

827
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: I want to find a snap or something, you know,

828
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: ID for me, and then I and then I realized

829
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 4: a couple months in I was like, oh no, I've

830
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: been I've been through way worse shit than this. Like

831
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: I've been through way more personal loss and shit and

832
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: fucking all kinds of stuff where it's like, oh no,

833
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: I just have to stay in my house and I

834
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: might at some point have to eat the kidney beans

835
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: I've had up in the on the shelf for a

836
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: really long time that.

837
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 5: I don't prefer.

838
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 4: That's probably as bad as it's going to get from

839
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: me here in modern America. But other than that, it's

840
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 4: not like my mom's gonna die again, you know.

841
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 5: It's not like the.

842
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: Really hard, awful shit I've been through. It set this

843
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: table where it's like, oh, I feel bad for the

844
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 4: people that haven't had massive loss or had their reality

845
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 4: completely ripped in half, because I think if you went

846
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 4: through something like that before this shit, when it was happening,

847
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: you were just like all right, I can kind of

848
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: like ride this way.

849
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the grief tribe.

850
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 7: I think people with grief had like a little at

851
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 7: an edge on people who hadn't had that bubble pop,

852
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 7: which is what happens when your folks die.

853
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: Or just young people.

854
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 6: That's why right away I was like felt bad for

855
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 6: young people going through this because it's like, oh, they've

856
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 6: had no trauma to prepare themselves. Yes, right, and right

857
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 6: at the point where you want to be riding bikes

858
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 6: and going out and trying to kiss people for the

859
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 6: first time, you're just in a house. The whole time

860
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 6: I was thinking about kids. Yes, yeah, it's good.

861
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

862
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: That a Lake of the Ozarks picture where there was

863
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: like one hundred people in a very small pool that

864
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 4: were all like, we don't care and we're could do

865
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 4: it anyway.

866
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 5: It's like mid mid quarantine.

867
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: And there was a part of me that was like,

868
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: if I was twenty two, I would have absolutely been

869
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: at that stupid pool because totally that was like, it's

870
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: all I cared about.

871
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 7: It was.

872
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 4: I was definitely a drunk, and I was a stand

873
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 4: up comic, and all I wanted to do every moment

874
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: of the day was have fun. And be around other

875
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 4: people my age and like connect with people. And if

876
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 4: you were if that happened to you, and like, if

877
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: I had to be quarantined at that point in my life,

878
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: it would have been very dark.

879
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 5: It had been really fucking bad.

880
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 6: It is so interesting what is I'm experiencing right now

881
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 6: with you too, because you're both saying really beautiful things.

882
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 6: And I've never had my brain function at such a

883
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 6: low level while also feeling like I am high on

884
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 6: drugs even visually. Things are I honestly, it might be

885
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 6: this allergy thing and maybe I have a bit of

886
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 6: a fever, but I am I am convinced that while

887
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 6: on the podcast, while recording, I have acquired this COVID thing.

888
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: Why don't you do this? We'll just do Why we

889
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: do this? Why don't you do the test? Do the test?

890
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: Let me, I mean.

891
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 5: Do it.

892
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: I mean I might as well do the test.

893
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 4: Also, I have to say, I love talking to you

894
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: Duncan so much, and you and I do this some times,

895
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: like I'm not as well read as you.

896
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 5: I definitely don't.

897
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 4: I avoid a lot of things that really scare me,

898
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 4: Like you know, the things I like that scare me,

899
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: But this stuff that scares me is like what you're

900
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: talking about where it is this kind of like we've

901
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 4: given away our we've signed away our identity. But I

902
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: really enjoy discussing this with you of like this human experience.

903
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: Thanks.

904
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying watching it.

905
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 6: It's so funny that I'm one of the hosts of

906
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 6: this podcast and all of a sudden, I was just

907
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 6: watching a thing for entertainment, feeling kind of no pressure

908
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 6: to chime in one because I don't want to sound dumb,

909
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 6: but also my brain is currently melting in my skull.

910
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 6: I'm going to do the test, but I do want

911
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 6: to say it's been really fun to listen to Karen,

912
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 6: to you talk about this stuff, because it is out

913
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 6: of character for us to be listen.

914
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 7: If you have it, I've got those people who were

915
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 7: in Austin. They're in LA so I can connect you

916
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 7: with them if you wann't, and they're like, they'll like

917
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 7: come and get you hydrated and stuff and give you

918
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 7: like events.

919
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 6: And yeah, let's I mean this that's kind of involved.

920
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 6: I have to like it takes ten minutes.

921
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

922
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 7: By the way, Karen, can I tell you something real quick?

923
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: Both of you? I'm sorry. I don't mean to isolate

924
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: because I'm sorry.

925
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, Karen. No, I've been I've been taking

926
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: a real back COVID. Yeah, you know you.

927
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 2: Have COVID. In ten days, we'll listen to you again.

928
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: Right now.

929
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 7: You're essentially a non human thing, you know, and you

930
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 7: shouldn't have gone outside.

931
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: But that, Yeah, I can't believe I left.

932
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 7: So I was talking to my friend as a psychiatrist,

933
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 7: and stop. I'm sure you already know this fact, so

934
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 7: please stop stoping. He was saying, when in psychiatry you

935
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 7: find yourself with a patient who is a sociopath, and

936
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 7: you identify that because the patient isn't gonna obviously isn't

937
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 7: gonna say I'm a sociopath, but you identify that this

938
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 7: is a sociopath. The only thing you're supposed to do

939
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 7: is imediately stop treatment, because they're all they're They're there

940
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 7: to either hurt you or to to like learn something,

941
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 7: to manipulate somebody else, or to do some fucked up thing.

942
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 7: They're not there for treatment. How terrified is that? So

943
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 7: fucking terrified when you're sitting in your office and you

944
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 7: realize this is a fucking sociopath.

945
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, my if you heard.

946
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 4: That before, I think I may have read it somewhere,

947
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 4: but I, first of all love it, and that exact

948
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: kind of anecdote is exactly what I'm in that whole

949
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: area for because I find the way. And this is

950
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 4: that thing of like, we don't know about our brains

951
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 4: very much like we all think we do and everybody

952
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: thinks they're so fucking smart.

953
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 5: We don't know shit.

954
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: We don't, We truly don't, and we don't know how

955
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: we work. And that whole idea that like you know,

956
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: the uh well John Ronson of the sociopath test, but

957
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: there was one about sociopaths in business where they're like

958
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 4: any person that's running a huge business, the odds that

959
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: they are a sociopath are flour like really good, because

960
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 4: that's what it takes to get to the top, is

961
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 4: to basically you run on winning, beating people, sex and revenge.

962
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: Like everything is bag. It boils down to power. Everything

963
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: is about power. And that idea that there are first

964
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: of all, like being in la being in show business,

965
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: it's like, oh yeah, there's so many more of those

966
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 4: people in this town than like anywhere else in my opinion,

967
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: and that idea that we are at the mercy of

968
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 4: people like that, because oftentimes I think when somebody shows

969
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: you behavior like that, you're just like, well, I would

970
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 4: never do that, so there's no way that's what they're doing.

971
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 5: But that's how they get you. That's how you become like.

972
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 4: A sociopath victim sociopas and psychopaths and all that.

973
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: Every part of that kind.

974
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: Of psychology stuff is so fascinating because like it's that

975
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 4: thing of there aren't not monsters, it's other people.

976
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 5: Yes, Like that's the truth of it.

977
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 4: It's like we wish it was like just Count Dracula

978
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 4: and he was just this, you know, he was like

979
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 4: Supernashal or whatever. But it's like, no, Count Dracula was

980
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 4: probably just a sociopath that was like make sure everybody

981
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 4: gives me their money and my castle gets bigger.

982
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing.

983
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: That's interesting.

984
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 6: I just realized I have always thought of like, when

985
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 6: I feel like my career isn't going well, or when

986
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 6: it's been in a position where nothing was happening, the

987
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 6: silver lining is, well, at least I'm not a sociopath.

988
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

989
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I didn't have to do what you have

990
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 6: to do to become successful. Yeah, I'm riddled with self doubt.

991
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 6: Like a healthy person, I had gonna lay down and

992
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 6: not hurt anyone. You feel my brain is cooking.

993
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 7: You get to experience joy and get compassion and not

994
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 7: be a living, praying mantis creature that is essentially just

995
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 7: like some kind of awful human avalanche, like pouring destruction

996
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 7: into time.

997
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: That's nice, man, Yeah.

998
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 7: It's But don't you ever wonder, like if you ever

999
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 7: like got in Paradolin that fuck?

1000
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: Am I associated?

1001
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 7: Like, am I tricking myself into thinking that these are

1002
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 7: actual human emotions I'm having when in fact they're just

1003
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 7: some pale, shadowy, sad attempt at summoning up a human experience.

1004
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 4: Or that like when you hear about other people's good

1005
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 4: news and you're just immediately like I fucking hate them

1006
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: or why them? That kind of thing that I think

1007
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 4: as comics we all feel very often or always have,

1008
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 4: because it's part of why we are can get on

1009
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 4: stage in front of people and tell jokes where that's

1010
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 4: most people's worst fears, because there's a piece of us

1011
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 4: that is like, I'm the one that should be talking,

1012
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: and I know this, and that there is that in

1013
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: us a little bit, But like I've definitely done like

1014
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: those kinds of brain exercises where I'm just like, do

1015
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 4: I want to crush everyone? Am I truly not happy

1016
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 4: be for one other person's good fortune?

1017
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 5: That's fucked up.

1018
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: It's a case by case thing with me.

1019
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 6: It is I'm oftentimes very honestly proud of people when

1020
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 6: but other times, yeah, I'm like that person, how dad?

1021
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 7: You know what I've heard sociopaths. They don't fucking think that.

1022
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 7: They're not sitting around.

1023
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: Like my I'm sociopad.

1024
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 7: They're like sharpening a fucking knife and like watching they're

1025
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 7: sharpening a knife, looking at a video on YouTube over

1026
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 7: and over again. So somebody they're gonna fuck up, that's.

1027
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: What they're doing. They're evil.

1028
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 7: They're like, Oh, I think I'm gonna go to a

1029
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 7: psychiatrist so I can get a fuckingscription for benzos so

1030
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 7: I can put it in their drink. That's probably what

1031
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 7: I'll do, you know, So yeah, you don't have to worry.

1032
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 7: You know, you're probably But my friends, you know, I

1033
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 7: think these borderline and all the personality disorders they exit,

1034
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 7: they all exist within us, Like there's some You're not

1035
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 7: gonna have a perfect personality there's some thing in it

1036
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 7: that is so yes you. It's like, yeah, you probably

1037
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 7: do have some symptoms of this or that, you know,

1038
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 7: which is why I don't go in.

1039
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: The fucking DSM four man.

1040
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 7: My mom was a psychologist and I used to just

1041
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 7: sit and flip through that fucking thing.

1042
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: I have that.

1043
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: I'm that, I'm that.

1044
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I love it too.

1045
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: Is that's the story over and over again where it's

1046
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 4: like it can't when they find that.

1047
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 5: People are like.

1048
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: You know, sociopaths, serial killers are something very horrifying and

1049
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 4: like off the charts, and people are just like he

1050
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 4: was so nice, and it's like right, they do that

1051
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 4: on purpose, Like they don't. They're never going to get

1052
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 4: pulled over and be like here, officer, here's my license

1053
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 4: and be nervous.

1054
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 5: They don't get nervous ever. They're never nervous.

1055
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: They never feel love or hate or any it's just like,

1056
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: get me mine always, Yeah, that's amazing.

1057
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: Why do I keep thinking of Will Smith? I kind

1058
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 3: of like that guy?

1059
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how dare I know?

1060
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: What am I talking about? My brain? It's it's a virus.

1061
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: I love Will Smith.

1062
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 6: I'm saying he's the most lovable sociopath.

1063
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 7: Honestly, one of the first symptoms of COVID. That's one

1064
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 7: of the first symptoms you think Will Smith is a sociopath.

1065
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: No one knows why, but it's.

1066
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 6: Like one of the I would have done the test on.

1067
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 6: I think it would have been a fun end to

1068
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 6: this episode if I was like, hey, it's red, but

1069
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 6: I am not smart enough to even read the directions

1070
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 6: and figure it out.

1071
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 3: I know one of these things has to go into

1072
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: an orifice.

1073
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 5: We'll follow up. Yeah, yeah, I would.

1074
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 6: Like to know this has been I mean, I usually

1075
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 6: at the end I say, you've been listening, but I've

1076
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 6: been listening as well, and you.

1077
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: Guys it was funny.

1078
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what what's You're doing? A voice in a

1079
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 6: new series?

1080
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: Right?

1081
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, that's Crapopolis.

1082
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: That's gonna you know, it's animation. So it's going to

1083
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: be out in a while.

1084
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 7: I'm sooner than that. I'm gonna be at the Zanies

1085
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 7: in Nashville the weekend after Valentine's Day, so and that's

1086
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 7: gonna be one of my first show. That's going to

1087
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 7: be my return to like actually like touring and doing

1088
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 7: stand ups.

1089
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm excited. Sagredacious and nervous.

1090
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 4: If you haven't seen Duncan Trussell do stand up comedy,

1091
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 4: you absolutely have to see him. He is one of

1092
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: the most fascinating, interesting, hilarious comedians. You feel like you

1093
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: were taught something at the end, you think about new things.

1094
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 4: It's an amazing live experience. You absolutely should go.

1095
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: Hey, thank y'all the best.

1096
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 7: It's so wonderful to get to get time to hang

1097
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 7: out with you, and I'm excited. I'm coming back to

1098
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 7: LA in the summer. Hopefully you can see each other

1099
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 7: in person. Hang out anytime, y'all have time. I love

1100
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 7: to have you on my show. I know you've already

1101
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 7: been on camera, but I'd love to.

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Speaker 6: Have Yeah, and I will be firing on all cylinders.

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Speaker 6: My brain will be functioning. My brain took a back

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Speaker 6: seat today, but uh, I will do it when I'm

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Speaker 6: fully functioning.

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Speaker 7: Love it, Hey, seriously, if you do, if you're positive,

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Speaker 7: reach out to me and like I'm telling I will

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Speaker 7: you want some you will?

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Speaker 2: This is good. It's a good Hey.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was inevitable that I was going to get it.

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Speaker 6: I'm fully convinced I know it. This isn't a prank

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Speaker 6: I'm doing for this episode, I am getting worse and worse.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, amaz'd be an amazing prank. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 5: we'll wrap it up before you really.

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, don great to see you again.

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Speaker 5: Yes, we love you, Thank you so much, love you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 6: Much like me today, you've been listening to Do You

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Speaker 6: Need a Ride?

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Speaker 3: D y n you Are?

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Speaker 1: This has been an exactly Right production.

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Speaker 5: Produced by Analise Nelson.

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Speaker 1: Engineered by Stephen Ray Morris, mixed by Ryo Bown. Theme

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Speaker 1: song by Karen Kilgara, artwork by Chris Fairbanks. Follow the

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Speaker 1: show on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at dinar podcast That's

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Speaker 1: d y n ar Podcast.

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Speaker 5: For more information, go to Exactlyrightmedia dot com.

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Speaker 1: Listen, subscribe, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Ellen, You're welcome