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Speaker 1: Good days, Smerl. Then, welcome to the No Dunks podcast

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Speaker 1: on the Athletic Network. It's Monday, September twenty sixth.

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Speaker 2: I'm j. E.

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Speaker 1: Skeets here in the yard and alongside me as always,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out his new computer right here, right now.

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Speaker 1: It's tass mellis.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate everything that comes with a new computer.

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Speaker 2: But sometimes, you know, there's some curve balls along the way.

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Speaker 1: It's a pain in the ass that we're being honest,

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Speaker 1: But once you get it up and running, yes, it's wild.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting into it with my fingerprints, Skeets. I like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh you added that? Yes, yeah, okay, now they have

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Speaker 1: all your information though, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm screwed. I should and then I just publicized that

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Speaker 2: right here, right now, someone is hacking my fingerprints right now.

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Speaker 2: Don't look at this. Don't look at this fingerprints.

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Speaker 1: Don't take a screen grip. Yes, his finger JD's in

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Speaker 1: the background pushing the buttons making things happen. We're here

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Speaker 1: in the yard. There's still a lot of work going

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Speaker 1: on at the Classic Factory, trying to get it ready

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Speaker 1: in time for the start of the NBA season, which

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Speaker 1: is well a few weeks away, but it was NBA

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Speaker 1: Media Day today, tasks, That's why we had to jump

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Speaker 1: on here. We'll talk about NBA Media Day, the highlights,

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Speaker 1: anything you took away from any of these press conferences.

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Speaker 1: And then we got some news and notes, a couple

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Speaker 1: of trades, a couple of trade rumors with Jay Crowder,

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Speaker 1: so we'll get into that. Shout out to the stream

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Speaker 1: team though, joining us live right now on YouTube. Subscribe, like, comment,

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Speaker 1: share the show. You know the drill and quickly it

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Speaker 1: is Monday, right, yeah, I said Monday. It feels weird.

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Speaker 1: Our schedule is looking like this this week. Knew No

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Speaker 1: Dunks Podcasts tomorrow with special guest Alex Wong. Yes, he's

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Speaker 1: going to talk about well, his previous book and his

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Speaker 1: upcoming book and I'm sure the raptors and everything else

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Speaker 1: going on in the NBA world. He's got his own podcasts,

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Speaker 1: so Alex will be the guest.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk aggnog. I've decided, Wow, what

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Speaker 2: is he a fan of? Oh? Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell him about the best eggnog he can find in

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Speaker 2: the province of Ontario.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wow, get ready.

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Speaker 2: For I missed that agnog I would I would cross

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Speaker 2: the border and go get that eggnog in return because

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Speaker 2: it's that good. Really. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, well that's tomorrow with Alex. That's that's new.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, what a picture of eggnog?

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Speaker 1: Then tass you'll be on the No Bunts podcast that's

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday morning with another special guest, another Canadian, Blake Murphy,

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Speaker 1: who's obviously, uh really follows the Blue Jays pretty extensively,

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Speaker 1: So you'll be assume you be talking a little Toronto

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Speaker 1: and MLB playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Actually, we're gonna break down the Braves Jay's ninety two

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Speaker 2: World Series. We're gonna go back. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: way back playback. It's the thirtieth year anniversary. So we're

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Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna go through it game by game, game

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Speaker 2: one through game six.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay wow, So any and maybe like sprinkle in

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Speaker 1: some current MLB whatever's going on. I know we got

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Speaker 1: the Judge sitting on sixty still and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Skate's this it's a little this season is

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Speaker 2: a little it's a little dull right now. I gotta

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Speaker 2: be honest. I know Judge is a great story, but

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Speaker 2: there aren't a lot of playoff races. There's one race

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Speaker 2: in the NL East and that's it. Oh okay, so

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Speaker 2: it's it's we're just waiting for the playoffs to arrive

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Speaker 2: in ten days.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're talking Braves Jay's ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going Jack Jack Morris lifting the leg, popping

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Speaker 2: it in there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yep, I can't wait. I didn't know what's gonna

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Speaker 1: be about that, So I'm very excited. I actually know

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Speaker 1: that those those games in that series. Okay, Blake Murphy

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Speaker 1: coming on No Bunch this week, that's on Wednesday at

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Speaker 1: ten am Eastern. Later on that Wednesday, Is This Good

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Speaker 1: makes its triumphant return to the No Dunks podcast feed.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have one last week, and I saw the

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Speaker 1: people wondering, where is it? What happened to? Is This Good?

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Speaker 1: What happened to? Maddio guy's a busy guy right now.

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday. I think it's me Lee and JD talking

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Speaker 1: to Mattio about the hot new topics and whether or

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Speaker 1: not they're good. And then final one here for the week.

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Speaker 1: We'll be on Thursday New No Buffs Survivor forty three

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Speaker 1: recap podcasts. That's myself, that's Trey, that's JD talking about

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Speaker 1: episode two of Survivor. And I encourage you to check

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Speaker 1: out our No Buffs YouTube feed podcast feed, and we

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Speaker 1: have in the description of that show a link to

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Speaker 1: get in our fantasy pool. Our No Bus Survivor Fantasy

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Speaker 1: pool this year got some prizes to the top seven

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Speaker 1: finishers on the season task. You've signed up? I saw, yes,

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Speaker 1: I saw your name there. Have you made your picks

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Speaker 2: Of course I have, but might flip them because we

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Speaker 1: Is what you do? You do, you don't do, but

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Speaker 1: you want to second guess yourselves go through guests. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: It's a tough season as always.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible. Let's be honest, it's impossible. You just have

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Speaker 1: to get lucky. But it's a lot of fun and

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Speaker 1: we'll be making our picks and talking about those.

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Speaker 1: So NBA Media Week it tipped off over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: had the Wizards, Hawks, Bucks, and then the defending champion Warriors,

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Speaker 1: all those teams that are competing overseas in preseason NBA

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Speaker 1: Global Games. They held their media days over the weekend

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Speaker 1: and then the rest of the league has either spoken

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Speaker 1: to tasks or is speaking too currently the media right now.

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Speaker 1: I know this is maybe a difficult question, but have

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Speaker 1: you had any favorite moments or takeaways from any of

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Speaker 1: these media days from any of these teams?

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Speaker 2: You better believe it, baby. I think the juiciest one

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Speaker 2: is RJ. Barrett of the New York Knicks coming out

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Speaker 2: and saying, I really think we're gonna shock the world.

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Speaker 2: Gotta love it. I gotta love some New York Knicks

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Speaker 2: drama because it sure feels like that image of RJ.

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Speaker 2: Barrett saying that. Because it's being Instagram, the comment is there.

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Speaker 2: The athletic already has it up. That's just gonna come

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Speaker 2: from now, as it always does because it's the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: So I got it. As much as I love the

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Speaker 2: just don't know, because I've been going through my mind

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Speaker 2: all morning long with the dogs that are in the

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Speaker 2: I mean, it'd be shocking if they're in the top

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Speaker 2: eight with all those teams. I nimed, right, I think, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is media day task. Everybody's sing of optimism.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's zero zero, nobody's lost the game yet, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: everybody's gonna win the championship. You almost have, so you

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Speaker 1: almost want them to. Like to make a Survivor analogy here,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Probes. He used to get himself into trouble with

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Speaker 1: the Survivor community at times because every upcoming season, Propes

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Speaker 1: would say, oh, this one's amazing. This one is gonna

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Speaker 1: greing to show over Maid, but sometimes, you know, the

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Speaker 1: seasons weren't that amazing. So then he sort of stopped

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Speaker 1: doing that. And I think that's the smart move. We

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Speaker 1: low and then exceed them.

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Speaker 2: And Pop is hot. Somehow he's exceeding expectations. He was asked,

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Speaker 2: he said, my paycheck. Yeah, I've never that's a great line.

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Speaker 2: Pop keeps producing. I guess, so Skeets. I guess unless

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Speaker 2: time is on the show, you can't just say we're

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Speaker 2: going to shock the world because Argie Barrett has not

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Speaker 2: just because it's the Knicks, I know you you're oh

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Speaker 2: and oh, as you said, of course you could be optimistic,

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Speaker 2: like we'll get to Zion. I'm drinking that Zion kool aid.

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Speaker 2: But you're the Knicks and so you've learned, you should

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Speaker 2: have learned that this can come bite you in the ass.

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Speaker 2: But that that was one that jumped out to me.

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Speaker 1: so you're pumped on Zion though too. You saw the

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Speaker 2: Well, I like how it has been affirm that he

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Speaker 2: get exciting hashtag muscle watch. We're all looking at these

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Speaker 2: we're all just excited because Zion there's talk about him

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Speaker 2: the trainer said that this is this is legit. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is Zion getting to his peak. So that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean he's not going to get injured, I suppose, But

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Speaker 2: if he's putting himself, I think in the best position.

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Speaker 2: So I'm drinking that kool aid. Are you drinking that

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm high on the Pelicans, and I know

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Speaker 1: we'll get to see j McCollum and his contract extension

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Speaker 1: and what that team did last year. And then you

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Speaker 1: starting at the four and maybe that has you know,

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Speaker 1: Crowder believes that should still be his role and he's

431
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Speaker 1: still worthy of being a start. I don't know. I mean,

432
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Speaker 1: you could well pardon that's great.

433
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Speaker 2: Then I'm excited because I think that sort of makes

434
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 2: sense when you put it that way, because Cam Johnson

435
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: probably has more untapped potential that we haven't seen. Obviously,

436
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: we know what we're getting from Jay Crowder. So yeah,

437
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: they get I guess they want to weaponize. They want

438
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 2: it when the ball stops and you know you can

439
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 2: you can sort of lay off Crowder a little bit

440
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 2: and just guard a three point shot. Yeah, they want

441
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: to be able to score from all five positions. I guess,

442
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 2: So that makes that makes some sense. And yeah, we

443
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 2: saw the Cam Johnson like sometimes you know, Monstrous Game

444
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 2: last year with the game winner. So yeah, there's some

445
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 2: untapped potential there. They just want all five guys to

446
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: be able to score, I guess, But I guess it's not.

447
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: I guess it's more about that than about getting rid

448
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 2: of Jay Crowder from for whatever reason.

449
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. And Jay Crowder, he really does

450
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 1: feel like the type of guy you could put on

451
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: any NBA team and like sort of he can give

452
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: you minutes. He can either like be a starter if

453
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: he had to be your probably your fifth best option

454
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Speaker 1: out there, or of course he could be coming off

455
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: the bench. And I mean he went to the finals

456
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Speaker 1: with the Heat, he went to the finals with the Sun,

457
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Speaker 1: so he like obviously had some playoff experience and stuff

458
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Speaker 1: like that.

459
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, back to back years, played started every single game,

460
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 2: played thirty plus minutes a game. You know. But it's

461
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Speaker 2: some some I guess points in his careers, you know,

462
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Speaker 2: but it's some heads a little bit. But yeah, he's fiery,

463
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: for sure, He's fiery. But yeah, a guy's played for

464
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Speaker 2: a ton of teams. I mean, he's already bounced around

465
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Speaker 2: a ton, which is kind of surprising. But he's still

466
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Speaker 2: fairly young for a role player. Yeahs from Villa orn In, Phila, Rica, Georgia.

467
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: Just down the road. Where is that uh which right

468
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 2: by BUCkies? Really well, if it's right by BUCkies, but

469
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: that way eighty five west, uh twenty west, twenty west

470
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: Jesus twenty west, right before the border halfway halfway.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to know.

472
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Speaker 2: Uh.

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fascinated to see, like who puts together the

474
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: most compelling trade package for him, because like it's not

475
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round pick if Bogdanovich and we'll

476
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Speaker 1: get to that trade. I saw somebody asking, you're gonna

477
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Speaker 1: talk about that? I mean, oh right, he couldn't get

478
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Speaker 1: a first round pick to the Jazz. I mean then

479
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: I don't think Jay Crowder is, But I mean you

480
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: can move him to a lot of teams because his

481
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: contract is small too. You know, it doesn't take a

482
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Speaker 1: lot of a player or two, uh to uh to

483
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Speaker 1: put something together. And I know there's some uh there's

484
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: some popular ones out there that people like. They I

485
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Speaker 1: guess Chicago Bulls are at the top of a lot

486
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Speaker 1: of people's list. Are you moving Kobe White, you know,

487
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: for example, Javonte Green or something for Jake Crowder? What

488
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: do you think of that?

489
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Speaker 2: MM? Just to have a little bit more defensive stability.

490
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: You definitely want the Bulls need to be a little

491
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: a little tougher defensively for sure. So this this would

492
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: sort of make sense, uh, to give up one of

493
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Speaker 2: those young guys. Yeah, you kind of you kind of

494
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: hope that Javonte Green turns into somewhat of a Jake Crowder, right, yeah,

495
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: Kobe White. I mean, look, the Bulls probably got to

496
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Speaker 2: give something up to to do this, so maybe you

497
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Speaker 2: have to that. I don't think that. I don't think

498
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 2: you can compare that Jazz deal though, that that one

499
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: is just weird. Yeah, Bwan Bugdanovic, a freaking baller couldn't

500
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Speaker 2: get a first round pick back from a team. That's

501
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: really weird. But then you look at another deal happened

502
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Speaker 2: a couple months ago, like roy O'Neil from the Jazz

503
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: got a first round pick back. So I don't know

504
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: what to believe with these picks like that, we'll get

505
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Speaker 2: to that Jazz deal. That one is weird, but h yeah,

506
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: Crowder on the Bulls does make sense.

507
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think he does. I know people have

508
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: said the Cleveland Cavaliers like he would slot in perfectly

509
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Speaker 1: into sort of like a wing position, small forward, sort

510
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: of power forward. You know what would it take?

511
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Speaker 2: Like, don't do it. I don't think you do it.

512
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: I don't think you do it if you're the Cavs.

513
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Speaker 1: Even if it's like Cheddy Osmond and Lamar Stevens.

514
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Speaker 2: I'm a chetty man. I yeah, I think I think

515
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: those guys can score on that team. I think you

516
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Speaker 2: want some somebody. I know they have obviously they've got

517
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Speaker 2: some scores now Don Mitchell and Darius Garland. But I

518
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: would I don't think i'd do it. I think I'd

519
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: roll with the chetty Lamar Stevens, he's a young player.

520
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: I think the Kavs are in a good spot. I

521
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Speaker 2: don't think they go for it with something like that.

522
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Speaker 1: And then I saw Lance here in the stream. Team

523
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Speaker 1: back to Miami for Jay Crowder. Well, Basketball News had

524
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Speaker 1: a three way deal where the Heat would receive Jay

525
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Speaker 1: Crowder so he would go back to Miami. The Suns

526
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Speaker 1: would receive oh Shae Brisset and then a future second

527
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: round pick by way of Miami, and the Pacers obviously involved.

528
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: If Brissette is as the third team, they would get

529
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Speaker 1: Duncan Robinson and a future first round pick by way

530
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Speaker 1: of Miami. So the Pacers would be the team to

531
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Speaker 1: make it happen cap wise, because of the Duncan contract

532
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I'm not against that. Some of

533
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: the moving pieces there, I think the Sons would be.

534
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: The Sons would be like, whoa, that's what we got

535
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Speaker 1: for Jay Crowder, the shaper said. I think it's pretty

536
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: good player actually in this league, and good old Canadian

537
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: boy as well. But yeah, there's a lot. I mean,

538
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: you can go crazy with every team. You can almost

539
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: find it somewhat realistic trade if you're put one or

540
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Speaker 1: two pieces together.

541
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Speaker 2: He's got a number that as tradable for sure.

542
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like ten million, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

543
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But I mean, any playing on the Suns,

544
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: I think we agree. I mean, if he's tweeting in

545
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Speaker 1: all caps and I guess he deleted the one to me,

546
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Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't think he's going to be there,

547
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: and they'll see what they can get for him moving

548
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: on here. This was happed over the last couple of days.

549
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: The Pelicans J McCollum agreed to a two year, sixty

550
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: four million dollar extension Tassie c j getting paid here

551
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: with the extension on this This surprised you.

552
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: What do you think his extension has kind of come

553
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: out of nowhere pretty often for me? Anyways, I guess id't.

554
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: I didn't hear about this, and then you kind of

555
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: look at it and you say, Okay, a couple more

556
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: years of a very good player sounds good. I guess

557
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: both sides wanted to make this happen. Stability for CJ. McCollum,

558
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: Stability for Appelicans team that you know went out and

559
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: got a very good player at the trade deadline and

560
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: don't want them just for a short window. But David

561
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Griffin is really going for it with this core. Now

562
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: that you lock up a guy now for he'll be

563
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: under contract for four years, Brandon Ingham under contract for

564
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: three years. And the key still lies with mister Zion Williamson.

565
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: This looks like a good deal of Zion plays if

566
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: he If it doesn't, then they could If he doesn't,

567
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: then a couple of years from now they could be scrambling.

568
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: Is is how how it sort of looks at it.

569
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 2: But you know, with Zion playing, these pieces all fit.

570
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: It's all it's about. It's about Zion playing. And I

571
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: gotta be pretty pumped if I'm if I'm the Pelicans

572
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: front office. I don't know if they made this decision

573
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: based on how Zion looks, but you know, on paper,

574
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: this all looks good. It's it's just whether or not

575
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: they're actually on the basketball floor together.

576
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Speaker 1: Yeah, McCollum, if you don't remember, came over from Portland

577
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: right around the trade deadline last year. I played really well.

578
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean the average, like twenty four points per game,

579
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: high efficiency, you know, I usage rate actually because Ingram

580
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: was missing a lot of time there obviously no Zion,

581
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing we haven't haven't seen CJ play

582
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: with Zion Williamson. I think it makes sense. I know

583
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 1: McCollum was pretty excited to be like more of a

584
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: point guard almost like he was really sort of like

585
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: the ball handler when he came to New Orleans, running

586
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: sort of like a one to two combo there. And

587
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: he likes that. So I like this, I mean, yeah,

588
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm with you. That wasn't like what see, don't McCall.

589
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, his game should age well and he's on

590
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: a good team here, and you know, he came in

591
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: there and gave him a little veteran leadership, and they

592
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: made they made some noise in the playoffs. He took

593
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: two games off the Suns correctly right after.

594
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they play, Yeah, they went to the six. They've

595
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: got chemistry. Well it worked, was Zion? It should like

596
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: you said, well, why wouldn't it? It should? Definitely they

597
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: should definitely gel together. Yeah, it's all about the books

598
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: and whether or not they're playing, because in a couple

599
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: of years they'll be paying those three guys McCollum, ingraman

600
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: Zion over a one hundred million bucks, and if one

601
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: of those guys isn't playing, you kind of need all

602
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: three to be really good. Like, yeah, they sort of.

603
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: They met expectations and more without Zion whims and winning

604
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: two games in the first round. And that's probably all

605
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna expect if even two of those guys are playing.

606
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: I say that, but who knows. Who knows what's Ion

607
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: and what a special talent he is. If it's Zion

608
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: and Ingram and McCollum's not there, then they could still

609
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: be a really good team. I don't know. I'm drinking

610
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: the Zion kool aid. I'm in. I'm in for now, and.

611
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: They're going to have to give herb Jones like a

612
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars contract in a couple of years the

613
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: way that guy plays, So yeah, I'm gonna get very expensive.

614
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: So congrats there to McCollum in seeing about seeing this

615
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: news and reading about it. The Athletic like directed me

616
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: to an old article from Will Gillery when McCollum came

617
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: from Portland to New Orleans, and I had forgotten about

618
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: this little piece in that. I don't know if it

619
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Speaker 1: ever came up on the show, but I'm going to

620
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: read it. This is from Will Gilliery there at the Athletic.

621
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Speaker 1: At the Athletic about McCollum. CJ breaks the season down

622
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: into twenty five game chunks, and he charts all of

623
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Speaker 1: his misses over those periods, evaluating what went wrong on

624
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: each of them. Did the ball go right or left?

625
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: Was he leaning when he took the shot? How long

626
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: did he hold his follow through? How many of the

627
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: misses were contested, how many were uncontested? True? Sick of

628
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: shit right there, This guy's going back and watching the

629
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: tape on all of his misses, or at least getting

630
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: somebody to track it all for him.

631
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: Wow, it's pretty cool.

632
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'd like to see that data. You know,

633
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: is he going left all more going right? That's cool.

634
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: So he's just a he just studies the game. Was

635
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: the whole point of that.

636
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess does that. I guess that helps him,

637
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: Like if he was going left twenty games ago, you know, like.

638
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I mean if someone can. Yes, he seems

639
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: like the type of player that could like look at

640
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: all that, see the tape, see the numbers, and then

641
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: like apply it. Like I don't think I would work

642
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: for everybody. Like some guys are the opposite. It's like,

643
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: hey man, you're thinking way too much just hoop. But

644
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: CJ feels like one of those rare cats that it's like, No,

645
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: the way he computes the game and see his game

646
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: is basketball intelligence, Like off the charts. I could see

647
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: why that would work.

648
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the Kyle Korver twenty point checklist or

649
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: whatever that was. Right, If he knows if he can

650
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: put it all together real quick, then yeah, I guess

651
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: it helps that he know that yesterday he was going left.

652
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: The twenty five game chunks part is.

653
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that breaks it up.

654
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right.

655
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the trade that did happen over

656
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: the last couple of days, the Pistons coming out of

657
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: nowhere here acquiring Boyon Bogdanovitch from the Jazz. All it

658
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: took him was Kelly, Olynnik and Saban Lee and tass

659
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: I had seen you tweeting about Bogdanovic before the trade

660
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: even happened, and you were saying, like, you know, I'm

661
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: paraphrasing here, but like this is gonna be a good

662
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: get probably for whoever gets him. Obviously a great three

663
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: point shooter, he's been around for a while, bit of

664
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: a veteran, So I think you liked this from the

665
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: Detroit side of things.

666
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: What a steal for the Pistons. I think it's just

667
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: a really really smart move. Like he's not winning new championship.

668
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: He's maybe a little past his prime at thirty three

669
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: years old, but he can sure show the young guys

670
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: how to work and score. Like a guy who's who'll

671
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: be beside him in Sadik Bay who had himself a

672
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: fifty point game at the end of last season. Bogdanovic

673
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: has had a forty four point game because he can

674
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: freaking fire. He you know, he's been He's a near

675
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: forty percent shooter for an eight year career, and the

676
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: number one thing is to help those young guys. Number

677
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: two thing is to help them win. And number three

678
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 2: thing is he could be flipped for a better player

679
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: by the deadline if they decide just to stay young.

680
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: And I think he's going to garner a better player

681
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: than Kelly Olinik or Saban Lee. I just think that

682
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: Troy Weaver made a real shrewd move here in Detroit.

683
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: I just don't get why Bogdanovitch couldn't have got a

684
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: better player for Danny Ainge in the Jazz. I don't

685
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: know if Danny Inge just loves Kelly Olinox so much

686
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: that he needed him on his team. But Bogdanovic isn't

687
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: just a one way score type guy. Leg He has

688
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: stepped up in the playoffs when he was with the Pacers.

689
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: He's guarded Lebron. He's not a pushover. He's a tough,

690
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: tough guy. And I didn't envision him on the Pistons.

691
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: Envisioned him on more of a role like we're just

692
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: talking about with Jay Krowt, Like.

693
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, more markettending team.

694
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, third fourth guy that could win you games. I

695
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: mean you go to him at the end of games

696
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: to hit shots. So I think persons think.

697
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: Great, Yeah, I was loving this trade for Detroit, and

698
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: for all the reasons you said. You know, he they

699
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: had a bunch of centers on their team, because Kelly

700
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: allnok really is is a stretch five. Bugdanovitch six to seven,

701
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: he's more of a more of a four. I guess

702
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: he can even play him at the three. So it

703
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: opens up a little more time at the center position

704
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: for some of their young guys. On Detroit, they needed

705
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: some wing guys, so he's does that, and they needed shooting.

706
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: Detroit was one of the worst three point shooting teams

707
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Bugdanovich is a thirty nine percent career

708
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: three point shooter, which is, you know, really really elite

709
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: on quite a bit of attempt. So that's good. Opens

710
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: up more room for Kaid, more room for some of

711
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: their shooters on the wing and their attackers and stuff

712
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: like that. So I like that, And you said it,

713
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: this guy Bogdanovic, he's playing for his content. I mean,

714
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: he's a free agent at the end of next season.

715
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: He makes nineteen mil. He's at that age where he's

716
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: probably got one more pretty decent, you know contract if

717
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: he plays well, so he's gonna be you know, he's

718
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: gonna be like trying to fill it up. And that

719
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: means you make a decision. If you're Troy Weaver and

720
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: the Pistons around the deadline and it's like, oh, somebody's

721
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: offering us something too good that we can't turn down

722
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: because he's not a part of our super long term plans,

723
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: then then let's just do that. So that's a win

724
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: win to me.

725
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: I like it totally. They probably look at themselves and say,

726
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: why can't we be the caves of last year. Let's

727
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: surprise some people with how much talent like the back

728
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: court of Kid and Jade and Ivy and then the

729
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: front court you know with Sadik Bay on the wing

730
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: and Bogdanovic and Isaiah Stewart. Yeah, I think they believe.

731
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: I think they they, yeah, definitely used some could use

732
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: some space there for for Ivy and this helps. But

733
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 2: they got a lot of talent, and I don't think

734
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: they're thinking, hey, let's flip him for an asset. I

735
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: think they're probably thinking, well, let's be good. Yeah, but

736
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: they could and this is this really saves their ass

737
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: I don't get it from the jazz perspective.

738
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Well, come on, the jazz, you don't get it because

739
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: they didn't get something better back.

740
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: Something decent. I know there's talks like that they were

741
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: had to take somebody's big, big salary back for Bugdanovich

742
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: and and this Olnic and saving Lee is a way

743
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: around that. But your team stinks, is going to stink

744
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: this year. You couldn't get an asset back or a

745
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: huge salary like some combination. I guess, I guess not.

746
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean, no, Dye isn't a dumb guy, but it's

747
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: just it's confusing to me.

748
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they sliced five million off their salary

749
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: cap sheet for this season this coming season, but that

750
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: at the cost of adding more salary in twenty three

751
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: twenty four. But that's all because of sometimes partial guarantees

752
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But yeah, I was a little

753
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: shocked that that was all that was coming back there.

754
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: But nice move from the Detroit Pistons. Who are I mean, look,

755
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: they're going to try and be one of those You're

756
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: not gonna you didn't list them when you're going through

757
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: all those Eastern Conference teams, and I think you rightfully

758
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: didn't list them, but the hype around them. If Cad

759
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: starts the season like he ended it last year, it's like,

760
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: why couldn't this be a team at least fighting for

761
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 1: a play in tournament. Yeah, I think that's that would

762
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: be a hell of an achievement if they could do

763
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: that here with this team. And I saw a great

764
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: point Ziller too in his newsletter. I think it was

765
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: today Area. It must have been today actually, talking about

766
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: just the value of solid veterans on a rising team

767
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: like in recent seasons, like recent past. But the Calves,

768
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: Rubio and Kevin love the Wolves with Beverley the grizzliest

769
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: Steven Adams and Kyle Anderson, and the Pelicans with c. J.

770
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: McCullum and Valentunas and stuff like that. It's nice to

771
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: have some, you know, some guys that have been around

772
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: the block and can help sort of steer the ship there.

773
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: It's a nice move from Detroit.

774
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to be the Calves. The Pistons are

775
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: this year's Calves. I'm I'm not I'm not. Actually, I

776
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: don't actually mean they're gonna win that many games, right.

777
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: The Calves ended up winning forty four, But that's got

778
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: to be what they're aiming for. So if somebody wants

779
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: to put that on a graphic and send it around

780
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: Instagram like it's a fake quote, but it's a real

781
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: quote that I said, go ahead. The Pistons are this

782
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: year's Calves because because that makes sense, like Bugdanovic is, Yeah, exactly,

783
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: like the Kevin Love, Ricky Rubio help out the young

784
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: guys in MOBILEI and Garland and Alan like they did

785
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: last year. So they're trying to help out Kate and

786
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Stuart and Ivy and Bay. I mean they got talent.

787
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I look forward to liking that Instagram photo or tweet

788
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: with your face test saying the Pistons or last year's cat.

789
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: I won't like that little face, my little face. You

790
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: got to sell the athlete. Yeah yeah, that's the big one.

791
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's gonna be Bugdanovic. People are gonna be

792
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: pumped about that.

793
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: Kate, No, Kate, Kate, Kate like all the Pistons.

794
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: Okay, good, okay, group shot love it. Yeah, uh final

795
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: one year. I mean, this took the NBA by storm

796
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: last week, and it's still, if we're being completely honest,

797
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: still a little mysterious. What actually happened but we know

798
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: email Udoka has been suspended by the Celtics for the

799
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two twenty three season. Entire year tasks crazy

800
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: crazy story again that I will reiterate, we don't really

801
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: know sort of the full details of what the hell happened.

802
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where ever going to because you have

803
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: the players talking about it. Oddly today at media Day,

804
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: we've had the ownership and the Celtics and Brad Stevens

805
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: sort of like not saying a whole lot, but saying

806
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: that's the right decision, trust us. So I don't have

807
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: any thoughts on this crazy.

808
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: We definitely don't know the details, and this is one

809
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: thing I think the Celtics wanted to keep internal, but

810
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: it was leaked first by.

811
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: What's What's well, I'm scoffing at like I can't think

812
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: of a story handled worse.

813
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, it's yeah, it's it's been handled pretty poorly.

814
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the yeah, yeah, We've had some other

815
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: ones in the NBA, but this is one where they

816
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: didn't want it to leak to Adrian Woljhenurowski first as

817
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: a sort of a rumor, very vague rumor, and then

818
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: came in and put some more specifics on it, and

819
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: even still we still don't know the specific So there's

820
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 2: been this very long period where yeah, the Twitter ROTI,

821
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: all the Twitter detectives are trying to figure things out,

822
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: which is subjugated women in the Celtics organization to some

823
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: ridiculous and very hateful comments and that's been extremely, extremely unfortunate.

824
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: And still it's sort of like you said, it's sort

825
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: of in this middle ground. Now, it's in this purgatory

826
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: where it's not reported fully and it's obviously not kept

827
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: in house either. So it's this thing where we still

828
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: don't know what happened with Immy Udoka, but something bigger

829
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: than consensual sex with another employee happened. Because there's people

830
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: like Matt Barnes on ESPN who came out and defended

831
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: email you dok. At first, it's consensual sex, it happens

832
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: was sort of the premise, and then you know, he

833
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: got off air and said, listen, somebody told me the

834
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: details and it's way more than that, and that's got

835
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: to be the case for him to be suspended for

836
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: a year. And it's yeah, it's just listen, it's it's

837
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: it's all you know, it's all fun to speculate, but

838
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 2: these are people's lives and this is something that should

839
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: be kept in house. And I don't think he comes back.

840
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if you if. I just think that's

841
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: highly unlikely to fly Nsson next next season.

842
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: It feels very unlikely. But I think it adds even

843
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: to the layer of confusion with all of this, like

844
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: even from the player's side of things, like it could

845
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: be their coach next year, so it's like they're probably

846
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: like tiptoeing around what they think they should say. It's

847
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: so strange. Yeah, the most we know, And it was

848
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: weird how it was all coming out, So people were

849
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: jumping to conclusions to either defend them or roast them,

850
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: whatever side you were on. Uh Seam said team leadership

851
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: was led to believe by both parties that the relationship

852
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: was consensual. There was that, but sources said that the

853
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: woman recently accused Dudoka of making unwanted comments toward her,

854
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: leading the team to launch this internal sort of investigation

855
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: interviews and stuff like that. And I feel like the

856
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: team keeps saying like like multiple incidents too. I feel

857
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: like it's it's being like peppered in there.

858
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: A lot.

859
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he gets the one year suspension and we'll

860
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: go from there. But I mean wild for a team

861
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: that was just in the finals, Like what does this

862
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: do to the Boston Celtics, Like, I mean, you still

863
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: include them as one of the best teams in the East. Like, sure,

864
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: they've got the talent that plays out there, but you know,

865
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,479
Speaker 1: the coach is important. Obviously, the vibes of a team

866
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: are very important I think in basketball, and I wonder

867
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: how they deal with all this.

868
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's difficult to say from this Vanish point because

869
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: it's all about the chemistry. Do they like Joe Mizula.

870
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: He's extremely young, he's had three years and as an

871
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: assistant's thirty three uh if I'm correct, that's.

872
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, thirty three thirty four or something like that.

873
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, if he can head the team as

874
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: far as on the court goes, then maybe they put

875
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 2: it behind him. It's it's possible. It's it's very possible

876
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: with the amount of talent that they have. Just a

877
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: strange scenario where the Celtics would have rather I'm sure

878
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 2: kept it in house. And yeah, no one's fully given

879
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: the details, which you know, they're in a way they're

880
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: protecting you, may Udoka. I would think, as you said,

881
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: the multiple, it sure feels like multiple in it feels

882
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: like it definitely is far more than just consensual sex.

883
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: But it's something that he's being somewhat protected right now,

884
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: and it's a it's it's very unlikely to me that

885
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: they bring him back, but yeah, like, how do you

886
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 2: how how how do you bring him back after a year?

887
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 2: He's just had a one year hiatus. He's paid lead.

888
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: I guess he's not pay leap, but leave for a

889
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: year and then you just come back and yeah, you

890
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: get your job back. And it's just.

891
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: Pointing out there could be legal issues why he's not

892
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: actually fired yet because you have to continue this. I mean,

893
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: it could be that they have to they're trying to

894
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: cover their asses and stuff like that.

895
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could find up, but they could fire a

896
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: guy for whatever reason. They could just say it's basketball reasons.

897
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean, after he reached the falls to the finals.

898
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, to me, I don't It's just this

899
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: is such an unprecedented scenario. Again, lots on precedented scenarios

900
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: these last few years, with the Kyrie situation, the Ben

901
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: Simmons situation, and this one, I don't know how he

902
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: comes back as a Celtic anyways.

903
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as for players on the floor, the Celtics

904
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: also took a hit there because the team announced on

905
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: Friday that Robert Williams, the third he had successful knee surgery,

906
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: but that his timetable to resume basketball activities has doubled

907
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: from the previous claim they were dropping. It's now up

908
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: to eight to twelve weeks. So I mean it was

909
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: four to six weeks, now to twelve weeks. That would

910
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: put him like, I mean, we could we'll may not

911
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: see him till Thanksgiving at least Christmas, even I guess

912
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: as possible. You don't want to rush him back after

913
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: he was playing through injury in the in the postseason

914
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: run there, but he's obviously an important piece to this

915
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: Celtics team.

916
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can still, I think have enough guys to cover,

917
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: you know, while we're I know there's kind of thin upfront,

918
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: but as far as like, you know, the first couple

919
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: of season, the first couple of months I should say,

920
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: of the season, I think they'll be okay. I think

921
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: it's unfortunate for him because it sure looks like he

922
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 2: played through pain in April, May and June and now

923
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: he's suffering because of it or I just don't feel

924
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 2: like it was handled all that properly either. And this

925
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: is probably the time where he needs to sit out

926
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: as long as possible, because I still believe that at Horford,

927
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, as as a leader of that front line,

928
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: can can't get it done. This team is you know,

929
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: was incredible. I mean yeah, and that was going to

930
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 2: play for the four a lot.

931
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: So yeah. I think Horford said in media day too,

932
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: he's ready to to go back to backs now that

933
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 1: he's that in shape. I'm good, That's what I think. Yeah,

934
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: because he was like, there was you know, some rest

935
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: decisions there, but uh, you'll have to sort of hold

936
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: down the fort there at the center position for a

937
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: good chunk of it. If Rober Williams is going to

938
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: miss some time, but obviously is still a talented team,

939
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: But gonna be a weird, weird season at least for

940
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: a little bit.

941
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well see, I guess I'll Horford drank a lot

942
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: of chocolate milk. That man loves his chocolate milk. The

943
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: bones are strong. I like that.

944
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: We started this podcast talking eggnog, and we're starting oh yeah, yeah,

945
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: talking chocolate milk. Yeah, both products that I've been forced

946
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: to drink way too much on the air and puke

947
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: for your enjoyment in the in the run of this show, right,

948
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: because then I did chocolate milk way back at the

949
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: score in the Basketball Jones Days.

950
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I was thinking of the eggnog for sure,

951
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: remember that. I do remember having a couple. I thought

952
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: it was milk. There's milk, milk, I.

953
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: Think it was. I thought it was chocolate. Well, it

954
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: was milk. It was from your wife's milk bar, if

955
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: I remember correctly.

956
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think we got a nice light vanilla.

957
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: It does sound right, It does sound right.

958
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: Smelled good. I remember that was.

959
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: Good milk, better than the eggnog. You know, don't ever

960
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: drink a vat of eggnog as Alex. If you could

961
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: drink of a giant bowl like a punch bowl of

962
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: eggnog in one sitting, you see how much he really

963
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: likes eggnog. After that, get the shakes, man, you get

964
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: the sugar shakes.

965
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was our only puke on air.

966
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we were just going off the air while I.

967
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: Was puking, thank god, not like we got fired, but.

968
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: The show was over, and that was barfing my guts

969
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: out in the back of our studio at the starters.

970
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: Go check it out. If you're into that type of thing,

971
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: let's call it there tastic things are jumping on with me.

972
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad the computer made it through it. Mine didn't.

973
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: What we well, my recording crapped out, JD. So we

974
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: just gave you even more more. Yeah, I know, I

975
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: got it. I have to fire up my new computer,

976
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: that's what that's going to really get me doing that.

977
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: So sorry, JD. I know you're back there somewhere crying.

978
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: We will be back though. Like I said, tomorrow, I

979
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: think we might do a little Top Shot Hot Boys

980
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: with Lee Ellis too, because they got some like vintage

981
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: packs past that tray, and I bought eighty six eighty

982
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: seven like Lee's Lee's year that he got into basketball

983
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: with the eighty seven All Star Games, So we might

984
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: do some trivia with him around the Top Shot Hot

985
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: Boys and ripping those packs. Might do that tomorrow morning,

986
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: and then Alex Wong on the show on No Dunks

987
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: to talk about Eggnog and everything happened with Raptors and

988
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: his books and all that and then we got no buns.

989
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: Later in the week, we got no buffs, and we

990
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: are oh so close to you know what's going to

991
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: be five to ten shows a week about the NBA.

992
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not even kidding. It's gonna get serious in

993
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: a hurry. Soubscribe and like and share the show and

994
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: comment away and send in your questions to no Dunk

995
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: at the Athletic dot com until until we talk to

996
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: you guys next time. Clipper Bro you heard it here first,

997
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: have a great time, turn up, Love you guys awesome.

998
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. And remember eggnog has eggs in it.

999
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it doesn't, but it does. Yeah,

1000
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 2: embrace that nog. You could say.

1001
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: Every day.

1002
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: That you happy every minute.

1003
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: It's been so long that your the wanna way.

1004
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: It happened already. It's gonna be great.