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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Emily Abadi here.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to another installment of Hurdle Moment from

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Speaker 2: Kurdle this week. For the show, I wanted to talk

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Speaker 2: about something that I have been having many conversations about lately,

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Speaker 2: both with my friends and of course over direct message

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Speaker 2: with many of you, and that is negative self talk.

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Speaker 2: To do that, I wanted to bring in an expert,

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Speaker 2: and that expert is doctor Amy Servis. She is a

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Speaker 2: New York licensed mental health counselor as well as a

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Speaker 2: New Jersey licensed professional counselor and also the director of

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Speaker 2: clinical content at talk Space. For our conversation today, we

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Speaker 2: unpack everything from what is negative self talk, what can

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Speaker 2: cause negative self talk, if there are some individuals that

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Speaker 2: are more prone to it than others, as well as

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Speaker 2: and I've never heard of this before, the different types

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Speaker 2: of negative self talk, of course really important, how to

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Speaker 2: negate it, how to manage it, how to deal with it,

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Speaker 2: and strategies that you can use regularly to help foster

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Speaker 2: a more positive inner dialogue. I certainly struggle with negative

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Speaker 2: self talk like many of you. I think it's important

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Speaker 2: to be open and honest about that. Specifically, one of

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Speaker 2: the different types of negative talk that Doctor Service talks

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Speaker 2: about in today's episode is called filtering being guilty of.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 2: I'm chatting with doctor Amy Servis. She is a talkspace

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Speaker 2: is director of clinical Content.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, doctor Service?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, I'm doing well. I'm so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you are here as well.

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Speaker 2: So today I wanted to bring you on because I

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Speaker 2: feel like a theme a lot here on the show

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Speaker 2: is how we talk to ourselves and specifically handling and

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Speaker 2: navigating negative self talk. And I know that is a

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Speaker 2: topic that you are certainly familiar with, correct.

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Speaker 3: For sure, especially right now. Self talk is such an

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Speaker 3: and it affects the way that we experience the world

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Speaker 3: and affects the way we think and feel. It's definitely

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Speaker 3: a hot topic for sure.

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, why don't you give me a little

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Speaker 2: information on your backstory? Did you always think that this

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question, so I think so. You know,

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Speaker 3: Master's of Education program, and it was just some classes

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Speaker 3: Ever since then, I did know that's exactly what I

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Speaker 2: I feel like you might get this question often, but

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Speaker 2: as a licensed mental health counselor, is it ever weird

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Speaker 3: And I think there was definitely some shame moments early

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Speaker 3: I think that also I've tried to embrace that speaking

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Speaker 3: that it is probably an asset that I don't Number one,

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Speaker 3: I know I'm not perfect, and number two, I don't

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Speaker 3: to know that, you know, we're all in this human

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Speaker 2: And I also mentioned that you are Talkspace as director

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, Talkspace is therapy online, which means you are

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Speaker 3: It runs the gamut of the way that you connect

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Speaker 1: Such an interesting approach to therapy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I always say, don't hesitate to chain, to shop

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Speaker 3: But it's so important because it is the relationship that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think often it's like, obviously a therapist

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Speaker 2: So now that we've got that little tipit of advice today,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So when I describe negative self talk, it really

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Speaker 1: Hm, limiting.

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Speaker 3: This one hundred percent exactly. So it could be I

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Speaker 2: Learn about how to combat that negative inner dialogue. Not

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Speaker 2: I'm always dealing with how I'm how I'm filtering negative

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and it's a process. I think that's why

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Speaker 3: We have skewed perspectives often of ourselves and what's going on,

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Speaker 2: We've talked about recognizing that negative self talk is happening,

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Speaker 3: Exploring it right, So that's where I think therapy comes

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Speaker 3: When I say self care, too, I think just lifestyle exercise.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, And you were talking earlier about just this idea

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Speaker 2: And I think what you said, it's okay not to

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Speaker 3: So well said, it is the difference between oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: Right right, Okay, So right now, if you had to

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Speaker 2: self talk pattern, would you say, I'm assuming number one,

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Speaker 2: talk to somebody.

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Speaker 3: Number one, talk to somebody just to get us through

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Speaker 3: that stuck point. It really does help when you have

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Speaker 3: somebody to talk to to sort of put all of

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Speaker 3: the pieces out there and figure out, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 3: here are my strengths here's what I need to do.

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Speaker 3: Here's some perspective. Number One, if you're finding yourself in

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Speaker 3: those periods where you just can't get out of that stuckness,

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Speaker 3: go ahead and reach out for help and allow someone

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Speaker 3: to help you through that piece that moment.

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Speaker 2: I think all of these strategies that we are articulated

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Speaker 2: today super super helpful. And I really appreciate what you

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Speaker 2: got into about describing, like the four different types of

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Speaker 2: those before.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they really do. I think when we articulate

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Speaker 3: them and they fit into those categories, we can recognize

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Speaker 3: what we're doing a little bit more and understand it

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Speaker 3: and then be able to then pull it apart and

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Speaker 3: combat it in a more effective way.

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Speaker 1: For sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, doctor Service, I appreciate you so much for giving

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Speaker 2: us your wisdom for talking us through negative self talk

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Speaker 2: and how to better be equipped to handle it when

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Speaker 2: it arises in the future. For the hurdlers that want

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Speaker 2: to keep up with you and want to follow along

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Speaker 2: with Talkspace, how do they do so?

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Speaker 1: Where can they find you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, talkspace dot com and the Talkspace blog is under

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Speaker 3: Talkspace Voice the talkspace Voice dot com. Our blog has

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Speaker 3: a ton of information, and of course our Instagram is well.

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Speaker 3: Check out all of our content there, tons of mental

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Speaker 3: health insight and information.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful. I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.