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Speaker 1: From the Indianapolis Combine. It's a Patriots draft countdown presented

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Speaker 1: Matt Smith along with Mike Dussa. The Combine is rolling

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Speaker 1: on here in Indy. Mike, you're excited about the tight

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Speaker 1: end position today, I am tell us why.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mike Varibel got me excited about it yesterday. Matt

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Speaker 2: when he was asked about what positions he might be

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Speaker 2: looking at. Everyone wants to talk about the edge position.

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Speaker 2: But I was surprised to hear him say this isn't

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Speaker 2: a stack tight end class by any means. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think a top You have a clear

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Speaker 2: number one in Kenyan Sadik from Oregon. He's a very

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Speaker 2: athletic player and I could see him fit for the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: But really looking more at the lower round prospects, you know,

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Speaker 2: those Day two guys. Could there be an opportunity for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots to draft a young athletic tight end, maybe

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Speaker 2: develop him behind Hunter Henry. They have a decision to

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Speaker 2: make on Austin Hooper as well, So I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued.

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Speaker 2: Max Claire player from Ohio State, just listening to him

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Speaker 2: a second ago, very athletic, maybe underutilized in that offense,

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Speaker 2: was one guy that stood out to me. So think

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Speaker 2: spec we get back from the combine, Matt, we got

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Speaker 2: to dig a little bit more into these tight ends.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Mike Frabel brought it up for no reason.

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Speaker 1: When you talk tight ends, Mike, are you talking about

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Speaker 1: a traditional tight end, meaning a guy who I heard

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Speaker 1: Mike talky yesterday about the different kind of blocking schemes

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Speaker 1: that they want to use with the tight end. To me,

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Speaker 1: when I hear that, that sort of takes a guy

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Speaker 1: like Isaiah Likely off the list if you were thinking

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Speaker 1: about do you want to augment and free agency. So

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Speaker 1: that tells me maybe in the draft they're looking for

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Speaker 1: the more bigger body kind of a guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a good point. And I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't you know, still rule out Isaiah Likely. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think the Patriots have shown over the past few

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Speaker 2: years that that they've gotten by without that traditional why

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Speaker 2: tight end that can really block and get in there.

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Speaker 2: We talk so much about getting Drake made weapons. I

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Speaker 2: see this as an opportunity to get a weapon and

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Speaker 2: to get you know, somebody young that Drake may can

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Speaker 2: develop with and become that safety blanket we saw Rob Gronkowski.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's not another Gronk out there. He's very special.

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Speaker 2: He's one of those guys who ken block and ken run,

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Speaker 2: you know, and can do everything offensively. But I think overall,

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Speaker 2: this is a class that you need talent and if

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Speaker 2: there's guys on on day three that peak your interest.

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Speaker 3: That's what Mike Rabel said.

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Speaker 2: Seems like every time we're scouting these matchups, there seems

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Speaker 2: to be a couple of Day two, Day three type

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Speaker 2: tight ends that playing contribute. So I'm not picky, but

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see a real athlete get in there.

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Speaker 1: One of the other people who are going to have

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Speaker 1: a say in who they're drafting and maybe drafting a

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Speaker 1: tight end is the patriots new director of college scouting,

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Speaker 1: Tony Kakayla, and you and Evan Lazarre had a chance

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Speaker 1: to speak with him earlier in the week.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're excited to be joined now by Tony Kinkella,

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Speaker 2: the director of college scouting for the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Tony, thanks for joining us here at the combine. I

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Speaker 3: know you're busy.

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Speaker 4: Nah, shoot, yeah, it's great week, but great to be here.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you guys having me and look forward to it.

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Speaker 3: How many combines is this for you?

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Speaker 4: This is number seventeen for me in all And do

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Speaker 4: you still love it? Yeah? I mean I get to

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Speaker 4: watch football for a living, so it's hard for that

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, you guys have done all the

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Speaker 2: work with the scouting and you get to here and

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Speaker 2: you get to do the medicals and all that, But

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Speaker 2: is the most valuable part getting to sit down in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say so. It's you know, we do

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Speaker 4: a lot of these guys, it's our first opportunity to

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Speaker 4: it's you know, it's cool to hear their story and

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Speaker 4: just to kind of compare what we know about them,

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Speaker 5: Obviously the team on the field has been in the

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Speaker 5: not like you guys have been, you know, five weeks behind.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure.

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Speaker 5: So can you just tell everybody what you guys have

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Speaker 5: the Senior Bowl, Shine Bowl and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know. January was a lot of fun and it

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Speaker 4: was a really unique experience. Obviously busy with the different

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Speaker 4: It's another opportunity to get with those guys. I say,

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Speaker 4: it was a unique experience. It was really cool because

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Speaker 4: and then obviously the success we were having as a team,

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Speaker 4: we were as a college staff, we were all together.

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Speaker 4: We had a room at the hotel we were in

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Speaker 4: a lot of fun. We were iced in in Dallas

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Speaker 4: the excitement of what we were about to do. You know,

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Speaker 4: we were doing our work for the team. On the

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Speaker 4: So it was it was a lot of fun, something

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Speaker 3: Is really cool.

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Speaker 5: I figure you guys might not have been able to

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Speaker 5: be there at all the playoff games you do in

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Speaker 3: That's really cool.

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Speaker 5: The other question I just wanted to ask you about

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Speaker 5: was Elliott had mentioned yesterday that you guys are maybe

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Speaker 3: The Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Geah, A good excuse, Yeah, And just what were those

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great problems to have, haven't you know? We were

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Speaker 4: still really productive. It was just it's January and then

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Speaker 4: job doing the work through the fall to be prepared.

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Speaker 4: We had a good first round of meetings in December.

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Speaker 4: We did kind of laid some of the groundwork on guys,

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Speaker 4: continue that through the All Star Games and then into February.

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Speaker 4: And February is where we really like to get together,

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Speaker 4: talk about the person, talk about the player, where we

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Speaker 4: kind of see their fit for our team, where we

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Speaker 4: see their value coming initially in the board, in the draft,

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Speaker 2: You got great contributions from this year's rookie class. Were

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Speaker 2: there any of those guys that made a real impression

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Speaker 4: You, you know, the one guy. And I've got a

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Speaker 4: my career, right Like, so, Craig Woodson, He's a guy

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Speaker 4: he overcame and just really grew to respect who he

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Speaker 4: to improve the playoff run. I thought he played really

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Speaker 2: But I was gonna just say, I mean, it's got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really you know, as as a scout, as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you must have had an eye on Kyle Williams

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Speaker 2: assume too, of being a Koog and all that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, went to Washington State, so certainly pulled for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember seeing him down at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 5: and they go in alphabetical order in some of the drills,

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Speaker 4: I mentioned building.

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Speaker 5: On you last year and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: Just wanted to ask you just generally about this year's

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Speaker 5: draft class and what do you kind of see a

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Speaker 5: sort of the strengths of the class this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, every draft classes, you you know, some years you're

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Speaker 4: gonna have better You'll be better in different spots. And

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Speaker 4: that's what I really enjoy about the process is it's

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Speaker 4: it's a new year every year. You know. I think

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Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of intrigue and intriguing players

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Speaker 4: it's still a little unsettled, but you've got a lot

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Speaker 4: Out a lot. Yeah, you do. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: And that continues to gain clarity, I would say, as

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Speaker 3: But does it change the.

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Speaker 5: Fact that there's going to to be a one you

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Speaker 2: One more for me, just watching this team this year,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys are look, yeah you coach Rabel been

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Speaker 4: It helps our jobs scouts to understand what we want

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just a continuity and you know, kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, for in my opinion, it's big and

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Speaker 4: We really appreciate their perspective. It's good to hear what

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Speaker 5: It's a great group of guys. Act too like we've

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Speaker 5: but they're all just great guys. I think that this

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Speaker 4: No, No, it's been a great group. Yeah. Just continue

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, Tony, thank you so much for the time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate it. This was a

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Speaker 3: Guess every shireme it's Tony Kinkella. Thanks everybody, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I find Tony's kind of a bright kid, refreshing, you

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Speaker 1: know to hear. His a lot of experience in that position.

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Speaker 1: So he's a new person to be part of the

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Speaker 1: decision making with the Patriots. I know there's another position today.

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Speaker 1: Has you intrigued that if you look at it when

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Speaker 3: Well, I think start with the safety position.

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Speaker 2: And I think you got to mention Caleb Downs, who,

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Speaker 3: A lot of people are saying that, right, Yeah, And.

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Speaker 2: could see him coming back for sure. Seemed to blossom

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Speaker 2: If they don't fill it with Hawkins, they're gonna have

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Speaker 2: then you look at Carlton Davis, who really came on

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Speaker 3: But he's going, you know, twenty nine, a little bit older.

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Speaker 3: You want to padd some depth in there.

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Speaker 2: We had a lot of times this year where Carlton

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Speaker 2: So I think they dodged some bullets this year with

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Speaker 3: But another position where you're thinking more depths.

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Speaker 2: So not oh this is you know a position like

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Speaker 1: Another analyst that we had earlier on in the week

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Speaker 2: All Right, we're exciting now to be joined by Mark

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Speaker 3: Mark, thanks for sitting down with that pleasure, my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: We're in a little bit of a different position this year.

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Speaker 2: We've been picking out at the top for a while

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Speaker 3: How do you see this draft playing out?

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Speaker 2: I feel like at that point you kind of wait

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Speaker 6: Yeah, speaking of your flip, I'm going to pat myself

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Speaker 6: We used to talk about what team can make the jump.

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Speaker 6: I said, the Patriots are going to flip their record.

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Speaker 6: All right, it's on record, it's there. I said, they're

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Speaker 6: But you know, be a cautionary tale where Washington last

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Speaker 6: So you know, that's I think the Patriots have a

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, man, if they get Max Crosby.

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Speaker 3: You're right back here.

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Speaker 5: But what it is just sort of your perspective there on,

439
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Speaker 5: you know, how to kind of slowly continue to build

440
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Speaker 5: this thing while recognizing like how much success that they had.

441
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Speaker 6: Like, well, you still have to I mean, if you

442
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Speaker 6: have money, you got to spend it. You just can't

443
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Speaker 6: sit there or not. So if there's a certain players

444
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Speaker 6: out there, you still have to be smart with the money.

445
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Speaker 6: Smartness is like last year the Freezer, like y'all had

446
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Speaker 6: the money, you had to spend it, and you spent

447
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Speaker 6: it wise, Like okay, Bill Williams and Carl You going

448
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Speaker 6: through the whole list, like no, this makes sense. It

449
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Speaker 6: was like why did they do that? You know, it

450
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Speaker 6: all made sense. So again I think with that approach

451
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Speaker 6: with Elliott and Vrabel and how they're going to approaches,

452
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Speaker 6: it is still smartly making these decisions of how to

453
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Speaker 6: allocate the money and you're signing your own guys, and

454
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Speaker 6: then in the draft as well, of okay, we know

455
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Speaker 6: how to how to identify playmakers and let's just continue

456
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Speaker 6: doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of playmakers, they need at edges.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Ellie Wolf talked about yesterday strong draft class. When

459
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Speaker 2: you look at the play style that Mike Rabel's looking

460
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Speaker 2: for and you look at this edge class, are there

461
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Speaker 2: are any guys that you see, you know, maybe that

462
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Speaker 2: slip through the cracks down there or in the thirties

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Speaker 2: that might fit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it's it's intriguing group there. And I think

465
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Speaker 6: you know Mesador from Miami because he's older, Like if

466
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Speaker 6: you just watched him, he didn't know how old he was. Like, man,

467
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Speaker 6: this is the best edge rusher in the draft. Now, okay,

468
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Speaker 6: now you've got a factor in that up stuff. So

469
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Speaker 6: of the guys there, of course we've heard about Bane

470
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Speaker 6: and Bailey and those dudes, but Mesidor could be that

471
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Speaker 6: one that gets down there because of the age factor

472
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Speaker 6: and teams it'll be scared away. But I mean he's

473
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Speaker 6: a monster. I mean watching those two guys play, you

474
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Speaker 6: understood why might be made it to the Championshicking once

475
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Speaker 6: I started watching film on them. So of those top guys,

476
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Speaker 6: the younger ones, not as many red flags. He's the

477
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Speaker 6: one that kind of could kind of creep down there

478
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Speaker 6: when you have.

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Speaker 5: Say a part of the draft class that's that deep,

480
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Speaker 5: like edge rusher. And it does feel like this year

481
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Speaker 5: it's kind of a flavors thing too, where like there's

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Speaker 5: some guys that are like to sixty five and there's

483
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Speaker 5: some guys that are two forty. Does that kind of

484
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Speaker 5: make it almost easier in a way because you kind

485
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Speaker 5: of know what your fit is and like sort of

486
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Speaker 5: what the guy you want.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, And that's where your scouting staff and

488
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Speaker 6: your coaching staff have to be on that one accord

489
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Speaker 6: to know, you know, this is the type of players

490
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Speaker 6: that fit us. And you see a lot of the

491
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Speaker 6: teams with success, let's say of Baltimore's of the world,

492
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Speaker 6: where those guys have been together, this is their system.

493
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Speaker 6: Now we just got to find those players that we

494
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Speaker 6: know fit as opposed to Okay, new coaching staff, a

495
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Speaker 6: new scouting Well, what are we really looking for? What

496
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Speaker 6: are we identifying here? And you know with the Giants

497
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Speaker 6: it was always we just worked hand in hand of all, right,

498
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Speaker 6: there's no guests work where this guy is not going

499
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Speaker 6: to fit us. We're not going to bring in a

500
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Speaker 6: you know, ex player that has these measurables or this

501
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Speaker 6: skill set because we know he doesn't fit. Now, the

502
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Speaker 6: talent is super supreme, like you better find a way

503
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Speaker 6: to get them on your squad. So that's why it's

504
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Speaker 6: so important for those guys to work together to know

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Speaker 6: what a Patriot player is.

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Speaker 2: Is there any position group in this drought class you

507
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Speaker 2: think maybe underrated? Maybe there's some value specifically in day two,

508
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Speaker 2: maybe into day three. I know running backs off in

509
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Speaker 2: a group that that's where you take those flyers.

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Speaker 3: But is there another position group you feel likes a

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Speaker 3: little deeper?

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Speaker 6: Maybe, well, I think the edge group because it is

513
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Speaker 6: so as you mentioned the differences in those guys, so

514
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Speaker 6: you could see a lot of fluctuation of thirty two

515
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Speaker 6: teams will have all i'd say the top ten rank

516
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Speaker 6: completely different, whereas in years past, you know there's one

517
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Speaker 6: or two dudes you know are really those are the

518
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Speaker 6: there's the Miles Garrett, there's the you know that guy,

519
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Speaker 6: Whereas this year that depth will go with the edge

520
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Speaker 6: rushers because they are so different. And I think there's

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Speaker 6: a really good group of good, good players. You know,

522
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Speaker 6: when you watch players, you want to say that's a

523
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Speaker 6: good player. Not well, I know he ran fat, but

524
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Speaker 6: well he's not productive. You know, you never want that.

525
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Speaker 6: So I think there's a really good group of those

526
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Speaker 6: edge guys, Like he's a good player, and let's see

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Speaker 6: if he's our guy.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned your time with the Giants, which I'll let go.

529
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Speaker 5: You know about that, but we'll let that one go.

530
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Speaker 5: Just you hear a lot about the combine and that

531
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Speaker 5: the stuff that happens on the field at Lucas Oil

532
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Speaker 5: at the end of the week is kind of not

533
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Speaker 5: the real combline, right, you know all the stuff behind

534
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Speaker 5: the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

536
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Speaker 5: Would you say that that's accurate?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Well, different teams plays different value on what goes

538
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Speaker 6: on this week. And you know all I mentioned all

539
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Speaker 6: thirty two teams ranked different. It's all thirty two ranked.

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Speaker 6: What the importance is to now teams aren't even here,

541
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Speaker 6: you know this. Sean mcvayson situation early where we're not

542
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Speaker 6: going and they want and success, so other teams, well

543
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Speaker 6: we can do that as well, whereas other teams only

544
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Speaker 6: send half their staff. And for the most part, people

545
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Speaker 6: don't know that the scouts have been on the road

546
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Speaker 6: since August, you know, July and the July August when

547
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Speaker 6: Kyle they put the bulk. They put ninety percent of

548
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Speaker 6: the work into what goes on. They should be anyway,

549
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Speaker 6: and then this after season portion of it is massage.

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Speaker 6: Should be massaging all of this so your foundation should

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Speaker 6: be built whenever you have your first draft meetings before

552
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Speaker 6: the combine of here's our draft board. Here are the

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Speaker 6: guys we identify. This is all the work our scouts

554
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Speaker 6: have been busting their butts all year long to do.

555
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Speaker 6: And now don't have a coach. See somebody run a

556
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Speaker 6: forty and change what we got going on here. You know,

557
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Speaker 6: that's when you start getting into mistakes, when the after

558
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Speaker 6: season process you start inventing players or crushing players. To me,

559
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Speaker 6: it's really about always the success of the best teams.

560
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Speaker 6: Identify the really good players on the field and let

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Speaker 6: this process massage the rest.

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Speaker 2: Just one more for you, Mark, is there a player

563
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Speaker 2: two that you just love in this draft couple guys

564
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Speaker 2: that just yeah, favorite guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, every year I have a favorite and stuff. This

566
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Speaker 6: year it's a art Thomas Mason, Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. Yeah,

567
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Speaker 6: you mean you talk about Mesador being that this guy.

568
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Speaker 6: When I started to watch him, he was just fun.

569
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Speaker 6: Fun to watch. There certain ones you evaluate and you

570
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Speaker 6: just keep watching him just because you want to see

571
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Speaker 6: them do fun stuff and entertaining stuff. So a little

572
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Speaker 6: bit undersize, but you know, compare me to compare Robert

573
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Speaker 6: Mathis home. You remember Robert Mathis from right here with

574
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Speaker 6: the Colts terrorized a little bit. Yeah, like that same

575
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Speaker 6: kind of build, that same sort of explosiveness, just much

576
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Speaker 6: tougher and stronger, more powerful for their size. So I

577
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Speaker 6: think you know, he's a guy down there as well

578
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Speaker 6: that like that's a that's a patriotype, that's a verable

579
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Speaker 6: type player for me too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think we're all on the same page there.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned the uh, you know, coaches kind of coming

582
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Speaker 5: in and changing the scouting and all that how often

583
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Speaker 5: because you know, we just kind of nerd out and

584
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Speaker 5: sit here and talk about prospects all day long and

585
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Speaker 5: argue how much does that actually happened behind the scenes

586
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Speaker 5: that you guys are just in a room of meeting

587
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Speaker 5: room and somebody is standing on the table from somebody

588
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Speaker 5: and you're kind of going back and forth.

589
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Speaker 6: You know, all coaches aren't created the same, All scouts

590
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Speaker 6: aren't created the same. All working relationships aren't the same.

591
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Speaker 6: So that's why again you have to have those relationship

592
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Speaker 6: with your coaches. And you know your dB coach may

593
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Speaker 6: know the like, oh cool, I know this is whereas

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Speaker 6: your O link in your office every.

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Speaker 3: Day, Mark, Hey, what about you? Can I get my

596
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Speaker 3: guy up?

597
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Speaker 6: Can I get So that's a that's a real thing

598
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Speaker 6: where either in the meeting or behind the scenes, guys

599
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Speaker 6: are fighting a lobbying for their players because it's a

600
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Speaker 6: natural inclinations like I want more players. You know that's

601
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Speaker 6: natural for coaches. I always understood, like I get it,

602
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Speaker 6: I get it. But you know this is we're trying

603
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Speaker 6: to do what's best for the team and get the

604
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Speaker 6: value for the team, not just your certain position. And

605
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Speaker 6: the best teams that do it they know that relationship

606
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Speaker 6: and how to navigate that.

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Speaker 2: Awesome Well, Mark, thank you so much for sitting down

608
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Speaker 2: with us and joy the rest of the classes.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it, my pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Right deuce.

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Speaker 1: What's on the docket as far as tomorrow, What are

612
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Speaker 1: the things that might catch you your eye? As far

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Speaker 1: as a combine is concerned tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I think it's everybody's favorite day, maybe the wide receivers

615
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Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks. Not so much the quarterbacks for us anymore,

616
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Speaker 2: but we're always looking for those wide receivers. And you know,

617
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Speaker 2: as Mike Rabel said here, you're not going to get

618
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Speaker 2: that number one wide receiver in free agency. It's very

619
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Speaker 2: hard to thread that needle. You've got to continue to

620
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Speaker 2: draft these guys and develop them. So, you know, a

621
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Speaker 2: guy like Casey Concepcion is a big name out there

622
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Speaker 2: around that part of the draft where the Patriots will

623
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Speaker 2: be picking explosive, dynamic player that maybe could really add

624
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Speaker 2: something to the offense. So we wouldn't be doing our

625
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Speaker 2: job if we weren't all over the wide receivers tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking forward to those. That's great.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of the Patriots Draft Countdown,

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Speaker 1: presented by Bud. Like to stay with us as content

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Speaker 1: continues to roll down the pike from the Combine here

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis,