Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why why? Oh? And
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding
Speaker 1: dong los cultures? Callie and I we have to talk
Speaker 1: about something. You have something to spring up on me.
Speaker 1: I almost crashed my car when I was coming here
Speaker 1: because I realized something happened, or rather did not happen
Speaker 1: during our culture catch up episode which we did not
Speaker 1: mention Cats. We didn't talk about and that was the
Speaker 1: piece of culture where everyone was attacking us, attacking us
Speaker 1: online and saying, how dare you not be recording episodes
Speaker 1: when Cats is happening? I literally was like, how did
Speaker 1: we miss it? It was monumental? Well, I feel like
Speaker 1: it wasn't even bad enough for us to like talk
Speaker 1: about in some ironic way though, and I and I
Speaker 1: had to preserve my whole relationship with Cats that I've
Speaker 1: maintained for my whole life, which is that I've never
Speaker 1: seen it. We'll never see it. Um have you not
Speaker 1: seen the movie? And I know everything about it, but
Speaker 1: I will never see it any InCred you know everything
Speaker 1: about it a lot? What's can you sing a little
Speaker 1: bit of beautiful ghosts for us? Please? Well? That's that's
Speaker 1: not real. That's not Cannon, that's Taylor. That's Taylor and
Speaker 1: Andrew Lloyd Webber and miss Webb and Miss Webb Taylor Webber. Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you want to talk about with cats? I
Speaker 1: just bowing. You're being like rude. Oh my god, you're
Speaker 1: actually being really rude. Okay, what is literally it's rude
Speaker 1: that we talk about cats all the time. And then
Speaker 1: I say, oh my god, can you believe this? And
Speaker 1: you say I didn't even care. I'm sorry. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to shoot your enthusiasm and accepted. Okay, so what
Speaker 1: do let's talk about it? When you you went to
Speaker 1: see it's very stone. Judy Dench had our human hands, yes,
Speaker 1: but none of the other cats did unconfirmed. I think
Speaker 1: the other cats had their hands. Well, I'll say Judy
Speaker 1: Dench had hands. It was like it was like it
Speaker 1: was like they said on at before they got that shot,
Speaker 1: and definitely show your hands because they're gonna be animated.
Speaker 1: Because she's like this holding her hands basically in front
Speaker 1: of her face, just like singing. They went up to
Speaker 1: Judy they were like, Judy, can we put the motion
Speaker 1: the mold cat balls on your hands? And she was
Speaker 1: like absolutely not um and in fact, I will be
Speaker 1: placing them at my at my own decltage level, just
Speaker 1: to show everyone that I would have no part of
Speaker 1: the digital technology. It would have been fine. I feel
Speaker 1: if she had not had her wedding ring on, because yes,
Speaker 1: because then once you see the wedding ring, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so where's the cat's husband? Like what happened? How long
Speaker 1: have they been together? Because the cat then has a
Speaker 1: history that we want to know about because she is
Speaker 1: the most exciting character. Judy Den Judy, we all remember
Speaker 1: her name. Old Deuteronomy Act came out? No it did?
Speaker 1: She played old dude. Yeah, she's old dude, the first
Speaker 1: woman old dude the first and there had never been
Speaker 1: another woman. Will do? I think it's crazy the Academy
Speaker 1: shortlisted Cats for special effects or whatever that that that
Speaker 1: category is, even though it was an unfinished special movie.
Speaker 1: I know, yes, that's true. What do we think of Oh,
Speaker 1: we talked about best Original Song in the Culture catch
Speaker 1: up episode Beautiful Ghost. Do you feel like it was snubbed?
Speaker 1: I would say that, Um, it's hard because Beautiful Ghost
Speaker 1: is not a good song. But nothing that was PERFORNDT
Speaker 1: of the Oscars was so then you get to the
Speaker 1: thing of like, well you got you want to at
Speaker 1: least see Taylor on stage doing that was Taylor's bid
Speaker 1: to be on that stay on the Dolby Theater stage.
Speaker 1: But she'll have more bids, many more, But she will,
Speaker 1: she will. What do you I don't think it looks
Speaker 1: for her in terms of film, in terms of musicals,
Speaker 1: in terms of film, what do I think is next? Well,
Speaker 1: the Giver to the Give her To they'll do. They'll
Speaker 1: do a Chicago reboot next spring. Sure, she's gonna play
Speaker 1: Hillary Um in the film about Hillary's life. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna actually be about the it's gonna be about
Speaker 1: it's gonna be called Hill and Bill. And that's actually
Speaker 1: a romantic comedy about um, a young serious student named
Speaker 1: Hillary Rodham who was when they slept, actually right off
Speaker 1: her feet when she met an amazing next president whose
Speaker 1: name was Bill Clinton. Actually what school did they mean? That?
Speaker 1: And they met at Arkansas State That's where they because
Speaker 1: that's where Bill and Hillary both went. And you know,
Speaker 1: the film takes a little bit of liberties, like she's
Speaker 1: platinum in the film and Um, he's got like very
Speaker 1: big muscles. Because Taylor actually plays Hillary and Scott Eastwood
Speaker 1: and Scott Eastwood plays Bill because they said, let's get
Speaker 1: the most talented act let's get let's reunited. Yeah, right um,
Speaker 1: And they said, wait, we have to get the best
Speaker 1: actors from the Hill and Bill and we gotta make it.
Speaker 1: And do you know the classic scene from the trailer? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yes, let's quote it. Yeah. I feel like this
Speaker 1: conversation is just starting. And I feel like I feel like,
Speaker 1: you get those jewels up, girl, you're pretty behind those jowls.
Speaker 1: Let me let me grab the yes. And wow, he
Speaker 1: wasn't kind to her from the beginning. We find out
Speaker 1: the film and you know, it's a rom calm. People
Speaker 1: make jokes about how it's it's playful ribbing about how
Speaker 1: the other person is ugly. That's what rom coms are.
Speaker 1: I can't believe they picked that scene for the trailer.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That that's that's crazy. That's like I said,
Speaker 1: the most famous scene from the trailer is the most
Speaker 1: scene the trailer. Now, readers, people who can photoshop the poster,
Speaker 1: please do it, because there's also a scene later of
Speaker 1: her at the DNC and she says women and has
Speaker 1: her bomb on her on her mouth, here's the deal
Speaker 1: with our guest. And there is a deal. Oh, there's
Speaker 1: every deal. We were just staying off the air that
Speaker 1: there has been years of scheduling mishaps. This actually is
Speaker 1: in the industry of Hollywood. Um, it's something that people
Speaker 1: talk about. Yes, they haven't been able to get the
Speaker 1: scheduling together for this today. I think they call it development. Hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: this this episode has been in development. Hell. But so
Speaker 1: happy and I'm clap both my hands together like this,
Speaker 1: so happy that we could finally develop what should have
Speaker 1: been developed many years ago. Unfortunately was that in hell?
Speaker 1: But I actually think that this is coming right on time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it's because it's always Christmas, because it's
Speaker 1: Christmas now it's literally, Um, what when is this coming up? March?
Speaker 1: It's mid March. It's mid March. But um, I'm thirty
Speaker 1: on this episode. Oh my god, that's cool. Not thirty
Speaker 1: now recording. But I will be thirty when this comes,
Speaker 1: When this comes out, you'll be thirty. Everyone which Matt
Speaker 1: happy things, but ours our guests. I love our guests
Speaker 1: with a purity and a passion. Truly, you would diagnose
Speaker 1: yourself as loving her with a purity with a purity. Um.
Speaker 1: I I could cry, I could cry, and but you won't.
Speaker 1: But I won't. And this this is I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna cry. She she truly is the best
Speaker 1: um Emmy nominated Honey, never forget, Never forget. And it's
Speaker 1: about the prizes, and it's about the prizes. That's what
Speaker 1: she actually said that. Um. When I first met her,
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, and she was like it unless
Speaker 1: you can't help me, got ahead. It's I'm in this
Speaker 1: for an Emmy. Oh my god. Okay, of course I
Speaker 1: was like, let me Matt by the way, and she
Speaker 1: was like this is this what And she said, whatever
Speaker 1: you say to me right now doesn't matter. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That sounds like her. Yeah, that sounds just like her. No,
Speaker 1: just kidding. She was really nice with me. She's an
Speaker 1: angel of angels. She um is starring in season two
Speaker 1: of Shrill Please watch it on Hulu, and one of
Speaker 1: the other shows that she's on is Saturday Night Live,
Speaker 1: which is a variety sketch program broadcast live from New York. Yes,
Speaker 1: almost every Saturday night, almost like some some break twenty
Speaker 1: one weeks out of the year. Yeah, it's going going
Speaker 1: on for upwards of third these seasons. It's over thirty
Speaker 1: um seasons that it is. I can't wait for this.
Speaker 1: I'm so so excited. I'm love for so much everyone.
Speaker 1: Welcome into your ears any Brian, My god, you know
Speaker 1: I'm such a listener to the podn't stop that. To
Speaker 1: be here and like actually sit through the intro, which
Speaker 1: I have like listened to so many others sitting before.
Speaker 1: Was just how I imagine doing terrifying. Yeah, it's always
Speaker 1: a little ride it and we do land, we stick
Speaker 1: it in the warmth of a guest. I also like
Speaker 1: you guys like do a good job of straddling like
Speaker 1: the credits, but also kind of like the human element.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well it's like, well we want to get across.
Speaker 1: Is our guest is talented, but our guest is a
Speaker 1: human being? Yeah you know what I mean. And that's
Speaker 1: it's really important to get across because a lot of
Speaker 1: these people they think stars, they put them. Yeah it's
Speaker 1: one of the because you see them all dressed up
Speaker 1: and you see them all dolled up on TV and
Speaker 1: you think, I bet that person is really has it
Speaker 1: all and I did full hair and makeup. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: thank god thank you for the contort, because podcast or
Speaker 1: a visual medium. Yeah, of course. Now, ad did I
Speaker 1: say something in the Hill and Bill truly that made
Speaker 1: that made you specifically put your hand over your mouth.
Speaker 1: I think it was the Jewls. I was like, holy
Speaker 1: shit like that. I think also that it was like,
Speaker 1: you guys, really it's a rom com, but then he
Speaker 1: starts with the gewels and I assume it ends with
Speaker 1: him like fucking a thirteen year old? What it is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. Honestly, I didn't know this, but this
Speaker 1: rom comments a lot darker than we thought. It's about
Speaker 1: how in every interaction they've had, he insults her, insults her,
Speaker 1: and but then Jeffrey Epstein played by me Bryant, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I Matthew McCay, Matthew McConaughey audition and was cast,
Speaker 1: and then Adie just called and said she wanted to
Speaker 1: do it and and they were like she'd be a
Speaker 1: better Epstein. I was also shocked by, like, you have
Speaker 1: a good Clinton, like that was a rock hard Clinton.
Speaker 1: Well that's actually actually runner firstitle of app is going
Speaker 1: to be rock hard Clinton. Absolutely not absolutely not it
Speaker 1: actually and it's actually not not up to me, it's
Speaker 1: actually our producer. Um, and she said she just piped
Speaker 1: into my ear. Oh piped in Yeah, I got that.
Speaker 1: I got that. I actually have a permanent hip put
Speaker 1: in my ear where I can have producers at any
Speaker 1: time talk to me. I love it. I love it, Adie.
Speaker 1: What is your vibe in LA because I this is
Speaker 1: I'm seeing you in a different setting and I really
Speaker 1: I'm picking up in a different energy. Oh yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I've been waiting for this question for
Speaker 1: anyone for a week. What's your l A vibe? I
Speaker 1: think l A vibe is like pretty high. Like I'm
Speaker 1: doing like a lot of like, oh I gotta get
Speaker 1: to this dispensary in that dispenson. But I'm also like
Speaker 1: very um, I'm I'm like cash. I think I'm pretty
Speaker 1: cash in a way that like in New York, you're
Speaker 1: going to see me in a boot right that I'm formal,
Speaker 1: but it's a boot city and I feel like here,
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm in my vans hanging ten or it's
Speaker 1: actually you can wear flat shoes out here and no
Speaker 1: one else Yeah, no one's like that woman needs to
Speaker 1: be in a heel or a boot. Sure, But then
Speaker 1: the bad culture and l A is is crazy because
Speaker 1: if you're walking down the street I've said this before
Speaker 1: with a toe bag, God forbid, then you get the
Speaker 1: craziest looks and people can actually smell the foreignness on you.
Speaker 1: I see, and there's no backpack people. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: do definitely feel that people are clocked like you don't
Speaker 1: belong here, you fucking bitch like you? Yeah, Why do
Speaker 1: you think it's because you're They think you're a bit
Speaker 1: because they they have seen you associated with New York
Speaker 1: so many times, Like I think it's I'm famously in
Speaker 1: New York. No, I do think it is just um,
Speaker 1: it's like we were too much black and like we're
Speaker 1: a little too dressed up. I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: like I go to like a friend's birthday and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I look like I'm in a goddamn ball gown and
Speaker 1: I'm humiliating. Listen, it is it is. You do have
Speaker 1: to adjust to the thing in l A. Of Like
Speaker 1: my friends will get ready for like a lunch and
Speaker 1: it is a capital a capital l lunch. I mean
Speaker 1: we're going to a place, but we're wearing like, like
Speaker 1: truly like socks and a sandal and like a big shirt.
Speaker 1: And no we didn't do a shower, so our hair
Speaker 1: is weird, you know what I mean? Like and you
Speaker 1: can go out like that on Los Angeles. It is
Speaker 1: a thing. I think people find that charming in Los Angeles, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's true, whereas in New York. I yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: This is exactly where we started with the podcast, like,
Speaker 1: how is l A and New York different? Well, he
Speaker 1: asked you the question I asked you. But why are
Speaker 1: you laughing? That's an earnest question. Oh my god, it's good.
Speaker 1: It's good. We love l A. And actually I think
Speaker 1: to myself every damn day how happy I am that
Speaker 1: I live six minutes away from the Universal Studios Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I passed it on the way to work and I
Speaker 1: see Hogwarts. That's perfect for you. There's no Hogwarts in
Speaker 1: New York. That's true. Now we're about to say something
Speaker 1: was I I don't know. I was just having a
Speaker 1: nice time talking about how I have two friends who
Speaker 1: have been hosts and winners at major awards, because it's
Speaker 1: about the prize. Did you write an Emmy speech when
Speaker 1: you were nominated? Amy Puller gets mad when people don't
Speaker 1: do that. She says it in her book. She says,
Speaker 1: I always feel like it's crazy people don't write a speech.
Speaker 1: I remember that was the only part of this place.
Speaker 1: I was like, I guess it was just like, no
Speaker 1: way am I going to win. But you could have
Speaker 1: been the and oud that night to be but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, God, bless the MMIs. It
Speaker 1: means everything to everyone everywhere. But like I kind of
Speaker 1: and I know that, like this show is often about
Speaker 1: talking about who was noting whatever. I do find it
Speaker 1: to be like absolutely toxic's hard, it's a hellish thing.
Speaker 1: And and you know, I don't know. I was just
Speaker 1: talking about this with someone the other day, where like
Speaker 1: sometimes if you look back at past winners, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is darkly meaningless. I don't know. I'm like literally
Speaker 1: sometimes I will hear like when you did um Andy
Speaker 1: Cohen and he asked what you thought about something someone did,
Speaker 1: you said three words which were like, so just your
Speaker 1: grasp of a sometimes a you have a way with words.
Speaker 1: You just said, I wanted this paper. I do find
Speaker 1: it to be an absolutely, and then I honestly stopped
Speaker 1: because because I needed to. But what did you just you,
Speaker 1: just the way you just just horror, horror filled, hellish,
Speaker 1: toxic and hell that's what you said. I do find
Speaker 1: it to be an absolutely toxic and hellish thing. I
Speaker 1: imagine that Poe quote Glamour darkly, darkly meaningless. Ady Bryant
Speaker 1: on the Emmy Awards. Not this to me, Matt do
Speaker 1: not and NBC will have my head. It means everything.
Speaker 1: She said that the same poll quote, It's amazing this
Speaker 1: woman is all over the world. I am nothing without
Speaker 1: the industry. I need it. If they value me, I'm
Speaker 1: better as a person. They make me sick, the industry that, Yes,
Speaker 1: they make me sick. I do think it's like absolutely
Speaker 1: dangerous to well. First, I'll say this fame is a
Speaker 1: disease that is killing everyone who experiences it. Okay, people
Speaker 1: who don't even experience it. It's killing, that's right. And
Speaker 1: I've maybe never identified more with anyone than Britney Spears
Speaker 1: in the moment when she shaved her head, like I
Speaker 1: often through the smallest things, I'm like, that's it. The
Speaker 1: shavers by fuckers, I'm going to the woods. I can't
Speaker 1: do this anymore. At the same time, it's like you can't, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like if I I don't know, if I engaged
Speaker 1: too deeply with like the Women of the Year or
Speaker 1: them or any or any website or a girl. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a dark thing to chase. I think it's
Speaker 1: whole time. It's a lot of waham. Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 1: little biased. It's my favorite episode of season two of Shrell.
Speaker 1: Written by one and only super Green super starring Matt
Speaker 1: Rogers starring of course, come on, I was the lead lead. Wait,
Speaker 1: I come out. I realized something before and Matt has
Speaker 1: a huge onset energy. Yes, tell me about this day
Speaker 1: because I only heard bits and pieces of it. Well
Speaker 1: it was two days. Oh, they called me a hard
Speaker 1: recurring Actually, when you look at when when you look
Speaker 1: when you look at the credits, it says also starring
Speaker 1: guest star Mine said hard recurring record recur Matt rod
Speaker 1: refers to your har rock hard rock hard Clinton, my
Speaker 1: rock hard. I'm gonna start calling my penis my Clinton.
Speaker 1: And that's actually up to you how you feel. It's
Speaker 1: none of my business. You know how you feel. This
Speaker 1: is so, But I just want to say I did
Speaker 1: come in a little hot because, like I said, Sudie
Speaker 1: and I were at Universal Studios, Hollywood, and we did
Speaker 1: talk about the darkness of fame on the way in.
Speaker 1: Yes we were talking about de Lohan and saying, you
Speaker 1: want to know what because she wasn't stounded by good people.
Speaker 1: So that was what we said as we were like
Speaker 1: scanning our tickets to go on the Transformers ride. I
Speaker 1: said this to you yesterday. I was like, my theory
Speaker 1: is that lindsay that he was not surrounded by good
Speaker 1: gaze specific she had bad as you said this, and
Speaker 1: then today we were talking about how so okay, quickly
Speaker 1: this and then I want to say the thing I
Speaker 1: found out on the set of Shrill, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's got He's so much like paper and pen work.
Speaker 1: This is our first time with Nope. I've literally never
Speaker 1: once used a notepad. I'm actively using and every time
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, something big going on, something big coming.
Speaker 1: So study and I were saying that when when you're
Speaker 1: in any way involved in entertainment and like the famousness
Speaker 1: aspect of it becomes a thing like you really have
Speaker 1: to ask yourself why you're doing it. And I think
Speaker 1: like people who don't know why end up getting taken
Speaker 1: advantage of by the media because they like want to
Speaker 1: do more and more, and they'll just play ball and
Speaker 1: they'll keep playing ball and they'll keep going. It's like
Speaker 1: we see it happening now. It's like people just can't
Speaker 1: stop getting attention and that's how they get themselves into
Speaker 1: whole sometimes and they get fucked up. But there's people
Speaker 1: who I think tell the industry. This is why I
Speaker 1: think people like Pink and Kelly Clarkson in music are
Speaker 1: like have longevity because they say, just so you guys know,
Speaker 1: I don't need this, and they have that energy. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: someone like Lindsay Lohan, like I don't think ever knew
Speaker 1: why she wanted to be famous. She never examined that
Speaker 1: right exactly, and she never found out like why it
Speaker 1: was that she was doing it. Wasn't her parents, was
Speaker 1: it something with her, was it something that exactly? Was
Speaker 1: it about the art? Ever? And I think that because
Speaker 1: you're too young and don't know enough to like figure
Speaker 1: that out or activate that in your life or do
Speaker 1: something about it, you get sucked up by the industry
Speaker 1: because they'll keep taking from you. And and I just
Speaker 1: feel like people that, you know, maybe they haven't been
Speaker 1: super famous, so they've had the time to ruminate on it,
Speaker 1: or they just always they got famous later, like people
Speaker 1: like I'll say it again, like because we saw Kelly's
Speaker 1: billboards everywhere and she's huge now, I mean I was like,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's because she always was like I
Speaker 1: can take or leave it. So that's just something I
Speaker 1: was talking about with study today on the topic of
Speaker 1: darkness of fame, which pertates to this pertains to this
Speaker 1: episode that aout Actually pert tell me about these two
Speaker 1: days of shooting. Yeah, Matt, I would love to hear
Speaker 1: like take because you know, I'm absolutely everywhere. And Nadie
Speaker 1: was actually editing a script while she was shooting that episode,
Speaker 1: and she is truly crazy. How hard she works the
Speaker 1: best there is, okay, and studio always has all the time.
Speaker 1: It's like she's inspired by you and how hard is
Speaker 1: an angel in my life and an angel and each
Speaker 1: one of our And also was truly my entry point
Speaker 1: to YouTube, like where long before I met Bowen, I
Speaker 1: was listening to Last Culture and we're at the table,
Speaker 1: and I can say that after working with eighty on
Speaker 1: the program Shrill, I actually I did have a bone
Speaker 1: to pick because I was casting in this in the series.
Speaker 1: I had an actually pivotal role in the episode of
Speaker 1: wa Ham, which was written by Studio. As we said, now,
Speaker 1: the character he did not have a name name. His
Speaker 1: name was Handler. So I said to myself, I would
Speaker 1: like to give him a name Chelsea very close spelling. Okay,
Speaker 1: your sister to me literally sister life literally literally sister
Speaker 1: life hashtag at the end, at the at the end
Speaker 1: of the words. Now, I said to myself, I'm doing
Speaker 1: a backstory for the character of Handler. He is Chelsea
Speaker 1: Handler's cousin and he met Vanessa's character who I work
Speaker 1: for in the film Shrill, the film episode film, every
Speaker 1: episode of film. Yeah, I think I agree, and I
Speaker 1: want an Oscar badly. Yes, and actually oscars can go
Speaker 1: to the TV shows. Now that's our marriage story. That's true. Um.
Speaker 1: I think that they met at a white woman event
Speaker 1: that Chelsea Handler was at and she said, you should
Speaker 1: mean Mike, you should me and my cousin, and that's
Speaker 1: how he got the job. So his last name actually
Speaker 1: is Handler, Mr. Handler, and his first name is say
Speaker 1: it with me, Chastain, Chastain Handler Chastain not not said
Speaker 1: weird as Chaston actually spelt like Jessica Chastain's last name. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. So that's actually that was who I was
Speaker 1: on set. You weren't actually interacting with that, you're interacting
Speaker 1: with chasting Yeah, and that's how it felt. Okay, So
Speaker 1: engineer Doug is telling us to go to break, will
Speaker 1: be right back, and I want to hear No, I
Speaker 1: want to hear more about this, I really do. I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure what to do there for a second, but
Speaker 1: Doug is over there behind the glass thing break. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he and he's got a weapon, So we gotta go.
Speaker 1: We gotta go. We'll be right back with Adie Bryant,
Speaker 1: and we're back and we're actually um so actually, I
Speaker 1: want that was so fun. I want to know details
Speaker 1: about the day. It was just very fun because it
Speaker 1: was like an absolute all star squad where like Natasha
Speaker 1: Leone was directing, Vanessa Beyer also starring, and Greta and
Speaker 1: Sudy and and mad. It was just like so fun.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how amazing is Natasha Leone as a director?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? You worked with her as well? I
Speaker 1: worked with her very well. She's a table of actors
Speaker 1: actually as a table of actors and and we picked
Speaker 1: up on the fact that Natasha leon our director had
Speaker 1: also come from acting. Yeah, you could actually pick Actually
Speaker 1: on set you had a feeling. Yeah, you had to
Speaker 1: feeling like you actually know how to talk to me,
Speaker 1: and no one does. And that's what I every time
Speaker 1: I got to a set, I'm like, no one here
Speaker 1: knows how to talk to me except for Natasha. Yeah. No, finally, No,
Speaker 1: she's she's unbelievable. Maybe I can't do an impression you
Speaker 1: just try to want to do an impression of actually
Speaker 1: own here and now you went me maybe for this. No,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't. Absolutely, Actually it's in our contract
Speaker 1: with iHeart Radio. We can make no edit. That's absolutely
Speaker 1: very bad for me, for everyone involved. This this episode
Speaker 1: is actually what we call a steel trapped prison, steel
Speaker 1: trapped internet prison. Oh my god, be with the hard
Speaker 1: ones then and I'll absolutely crumble. Okay, thoughts on second amendment? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think do you think it's time to ask the question? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't think you can probably unless you want
Speaker 1: to take more crack at than is actually okay? Do
Speaker 1: you want to? Yeah, you know, for this take, maybe
Speaker 1: try what is she dresher? You're so happy to go
Speaker 1: lower Hunt, You're so bad. I don't know. I feel
Speaker 1: really awful. What are you talking? We're not talking about this.
Speaker 1: I can't bring this is an impression show that Wait
Speaker 1: do you want to hear impression that I do? Yeah? Hi,
Speaker 1: have one too, so Oka, sab Sandy, this is that's good.
Speaker 1: That's really good. Here's my Aria day. Hi everybody, that's me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really good. What are your impressions? Okay, okay, not
Speaker 1: famous one not shut up? Okay, are you ready? I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say who it is because I think
Speaker 1: you'll yes, yes, okay ready, Hey man, wait, that was
Speaker 1: a bad one. Let me try it again. I think
Speaker 1: I know. I think I know that the way I
Speaker 1: need I need to focus and actually try again. Matt
Speaker 1: stop okay, hey man, oh I know I'm panicking. It
Speaker 1: is Bart Simpson. Actually get it better. That wasn't good?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. Shut he tried to
Speaker 1: do a Bart tonight too, because you went on the
Speaker 1: Simpsons dry and I was like, shut up, I have
Speaker 1: I think I've tried to do my Bart for study
Speaker 1: and she said it was bad. Can I tell you
Speaker 1: think I'm good? You actually are amazing and it was
Speaker 1: really good. Um wait, you actually amazing and it was
Speaker 1: really really um I went and I guess it was
Speaker 1: Mark Marino and then hey, hey man, that was better.
Speaker 1: That was good. That was good. That was better. That
Speaker 1: was a good bart You know, after I left my
Speaker 1: my interview with Lord, I had to go back. Oh,
Speaker 1: better not watch your ass. I've been on that podcast.
Speaker 1: She's been. That's actually goes for me. Wow. It actually
Speaker 1: it really was like so fun, it's cool, and he's
Speaker 1: very insightful and asks great questions. I agree. You know
Speaker 1: that sometime someone said that we were the gay w T.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. Do you feel that way? That's
Speaker 1: actually huge, that's actually huge, and uh, we're not nearly
Speaker 1: as insightful, but are you kidding me? I've cried multiple
Speaker 1: times listening to the pod. Not from our insights. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes when you guys deeply talk about like
Speaker 1: your friendship or growing, I'm like, damn, this is extremely
Speaker 1: real and extremely like hardfelt and true. I think that, Um,
Speaker 1: I think that it helped that we literally thought that
Speaker 1: zero point zero zero zero listen to it in the beginning,
Speaker 1: because it's set a tone and we're still able to
Speaker 1: do that. I wonder if we like sold a podcast now,
Speaker 1: like if we if it would be we would even
Speaker 1: think to like share anything real? Yeah you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a question but before we yes,
Speaker 1: when you're writing shrill, is it no? This because because
Speaker 1: talking about bringing real life to things? Yea, how because
Speaker 1: it's based on Lindy's like work, But yes, but I
Speaker 1: would imagine that everyone's stories go into it. How many
Speaker 1: personal stories are in the show where you're like that
Speaker 1: is so real? What? Um? You know, it's a really
Speaker 1: a mix. And it also like you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like the first season, especially, we were like a lot
Speaker 1: tighter to the book, and now the second season we
Speaker 1: definitely like are a little bit looser, and so there's
Speaker 1: pieces of you know that, And that's what a writer's
Speaker 1: room is. It's like you're breaking the story together and
Speaker 1: adding little pieces to build a whole thing. Um. But definitely,
Speaker 1: I mean like in the second season there's a scene
Speaker 1: where I like barf and then we like say spoiler
Speaker 1: like say I love you to each other? And that
Speaker 1: was like something that did happen to me, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I have many like things where I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's straight from from the book of my life, you know,
Speaker 1: or whatever. But but it's all like in an effort
Speaker 1: to tell something bigger or whatever, you know. But like
Speaker 1: I do think like deciding on those like emblematic details
Speaker 1: that tell something about the story is like kind of
Speaker 1: what you have to find, and often it's hard to
Speaker 1: kind of pull those out of thin air, and it
Speaker 1: is easier to like kind of reach back to like
Speaker 1: something in your own life and twisted up or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then when you're when you're doing it, like and
Speaker 1: like when you're like acting like the experience that you've
Speaker 1: already had, is it does it? Does it like scramble
Speaker 1: your brain a little bit to be like I gotta
Speaker 1: like stick to like what this authentically was or you know.
Speaker 1: The only time where it maybe kind of did that
Speaker 1: was in the first season, the fourth episode, which is
Speaker 1: like the pool party episode and like um and doing
Speaker 1: like I kind of had like this like long monologue
Speaker 1: after words where I'm like kind of processing the day
Speaker 1: and like that was maybe one of the only times
Speaker 1: where I was like like at times just because I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I kind of haven't been to this
Speaker 1: place in a long time in my mind, Like, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't talk to myself this way like or you
Speaker 1: know that those kinds of like hateful self thoughts. I
Speaker 1: really don't go there in the same in like towards
Speaker 1: my body and stuff like that. I just don't, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was kind of hard to like go to
Speaker 1: that place of like having that epiphany or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know, this sounds very accurately in lame, but it
Speaker 1: was like it was a little like freaky that day,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And that's that's just I've told you this.
Speaker 1: It's that's a huge, huge, huge episode for everyone watching
Speaker 1: it because there's some analog to like another aspect to
Speaker 1: anyone who's watching that's life. Like I like watching that episode,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is what bubble t is. This
Speaker 1: is like what like me like going to like an
Speaker 1: all Asian queer party. What the fuck? I like, I
Speaker 1: did not know this existed. And then like processing and
Speaker 1: afterwards was like mapped out like exactly to that episode
Speaker 1: where I was like I did not know how to
Speaker 1: process it afterwards for a long time. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think sometimes even like seeing something where you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is so my ship or whatever, it
Speaker 1: can be very hard to afterwards be like Wow, I've
Speaker 1: had twenty some years of like a lot of pain
Speaker 1: and shame and self hatred for like kind of no reason,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, not no reason, but it's definitely like
Speaker 1: it is a little bit like you've agreed to live
Speaker 1: in this system that now we all agree fucking sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks, and that we're and that we're like trapped
Speaker 1: in because we all know it. But it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that you can't just agree to all change.
Speaker 1: It's just like a mindset. I will say one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things about the show is that it really
Speaker 1: really authentically and like totally just right gets those specific
Speaker 1: emotional situations across like and those dialogues that you have
Speaker 1: other people when you're talking about real ship. For example,
Speaker 1: like in the Waham episode, I said it too, Sudy.
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta give kudos to all you
Speaker 1: guys because the conversation that you and John camera Mitchell
Speaker 1: have after you come back is and you've come back
Speaker 1: from Waham and you're like, I think it was fucked up,
Speaker 1: but also women weren't enjoying it, and it's it's very
Speaker 1: much like an observation on those sorts of things which
Speaker 1: have a high price point and you go and there
Speaker 1: is community, but you are being taken advantage of if
Speaker 1: you choose to think of it that way. And I
Speaker 1: thought that that scene between you and him was so um,
Speaker 1: truthfully and authentically a scene of two people working it out,
Speaker 1: like you really like, we're so good in that scene.
Speaker 1: You were so good in that scene. It was such
Speaker 1: good writing the story forward too, because it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like these two characters haven't interacted in this way right exactly,
Speaker 1: and actually, like you know, John's performance there, it's like
Speaker 1: for the first time ever, he was like really uh,
Speaker 1: the character was really engaging with her as like a
Speaker 1: pupil in a way and almost like he was challenging her.
Speaker 1: And I thought that that was just like wow, that
Speaker 1: really really felt like we the audience, we're working it
Speaker 1: out too, Like it's so what you want from like
Speaker 1: art and like like a comedic examination of something, because
Speaker 1: it's like you really presented the totality of that kind
Speaker 1: of experience, which must be I should be enjoying this,
Speaker 1: I am not. Am I fucked up? Is this fucked up?
Speaker 1: Are we both? Kind of like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: like most of the human experience right, like your whole
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is like a oversimplification, but like
Speaker 1: your whole high school experience. You're like, when I get
Speaker 1: to college, I'm going to be a different life. And
Speaker 1: then you get to college, you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: know any money, Yeah, I'm scared or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like it's always that way where you kind of
Speaker 1: like think something is good, but then you get in
Speaker 1: it and you're like, I think this is mad or like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's like too complicated and nothing
Speaker 1: is like black and you know, I just like I
Speaker 1: was so impressed by that particular scene because I now
Speaker 1: that I'm in a writer's room, I know how hard
Speaker 1: it is with like a lot of people to write
Speaker 1: something that feels like a conversation that's really between two people.
Speaker 1: It's just it's so much like it. There's so much
Speaker 1: more that goes into like writing TV and creating TV
Speaker 1: than you think, and so put something that's so I
Speaker 1: felt so real, like and so honest and really kind
Speaker 1: of like about what it was about on screen. I
Speaker 1: thought was like, wow, just kiss God. And you know,
Speaker 1: something I didn't dawn on me until like way after
Speaker 1: the fact that like this season, this most recent season
Speaker 1: used like song covers as a plot divine and I
Speaker 1: was just like, I didn't realize until after because it's
Speaker 1: obviously intentional, but I was like, OHI Peter singing God
Speaker 1: only knows, Thank God you brought it up, and eight
Speaker 1: and and Annie singing It's all coming back to me,
Speaker 1: and and Lolly singing, um fucking Lolly's whole performance this season.
Speaker 1: Lolly is unreal, unreal, Emily fight master incredible, that relationship,
Speaker 1: that that arc, like you'll you love to see, you
Speaker 1: love to see Emily a star, a star. Oh and
Speaker 1: they're a very hot person, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: it's okay to say you're the most gorgeous people in
Speaker 1: the world of essentially a crime. It's actually crime. And
Speaker 1: I hate them. Sorry now I hate now now we
Speaker 1: hate them. No, but put the song selection all very
Speaker 1: queer songs, can I can I reveal something? I put
Speaker 1: my ass on tape doing God only Peter Smith's role
Speaker 1: and so basically, okay, so this is what happened, that
Speaker 1: this is hot inside there is a tape which that
Speaker 1: and you were very funny, Matt, You were so funny,
Speaker 1: which was like kind of like not well, like Peter
Speaker 1: is very funny in the beginning. It quickly yeah it's real,
Speaker 1: and so Peter is the start. But because I knew
Speaker 1: Sudy was had written this like handler part for me. Yes,
Speaker 1: we we actively in the writer's room were like this
Speaker 1: will be mad like this, like truly like bitchy, like
Speaker 1: you're so good. It was really fun. Do you remember, Matt.
Speaker 1: I also tried to pressure you to sing on the stage,
Speaker 1: you know, like you should sing. Look at you looking
Speaker 1: at the ground, kicking your feet and you're like sing
Speaker 1: a little which I was like, get up there and
Speaker 1: just like singing a little bit. I think a little
Speaker 1: tiny bit you did. I think I said to like,
Speaker 1: because the character has to get everyone up out the seats,
Speaker 1: and I think one of the times I came out
Speaker 1: and I was like, get up, get up. They were
Speaker 1: just like what was that? That's actually I was like,
Speaker 1: what did you do? Yes? And so that didn't make
Speaker 1: the cut. Oh no, get up, get up. That's actually ahead,
Speaker 1: get up, get up. Oh you gotta get up. I
Speaker 1: know you're gonna workshop it um and it's not going
Speaker 1: to be for us, It'll be Forda Actually almost forty
Speaker 1: five minutes that's actually that. I think it's the time
Speaker 1: we are no stop because I'm still talking about on set.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, okay, I'm done. Oh anyway, watch Shrill? Please?
Speaker 1: How do you do me a favorite? Please? Watch Shrill?
Speaker 1: What are your friends? How are you feeling about Susan two?
Speaker 1: Like now that it's been out like night yea, it
Speaker 1: is really it's a very different because I don't know,
Speaker 1: being on SNL is like so great, but it's definitely
Speaker 1: like when people come up there like hey, you're funny,
Speaker 1: like whatever, you know, it's like a quick and I
Speaker 1: would imagine people are like what you've done? It's just
Speaker 1: so much more intense. It's so much, but it's also
Speaker 1: incredibly meaningful and like I really make an effort to
Speaker 1: like I can't respond to everything that comes in, but
Speaker 1: I like I really read it all as as I can,
Speaker 1: and it really really like, you know, when I'm like
Speaker 1: fighting about the marketing of the show or all those things,
Speaker 1: there are times where I'm like, what the funk is
Speaker 1: this for? And then I'm like, no, that's what it's like.
Speaker 1: I do it for the goddamn girls, Like that is
Speaker 1: literally why I wanted to do this. And when I
Speaker 1: started and what I wanted as a child, so like
Speaker 1: to be doing that. It is a dream, Like it's
Speaker 1: a total dream. I feel like the impact is outsize.
Speaker 1: It's like huge, Like I feel like there is some
Speaker 1: like really really like like visible like real tangible cultural
Speaker 1: like like moving of the dial a little bit with this,
Speaker 1: like truly all of it. I know it's it's true,
Speaker 1: like watching it and hearing Study talk about it maybe
Speaker 1: like that's like my little like unfair supplement that I
Speaker 1: have to all this is hearing STUDI like talk through
Speaker 1: the process and like talk to the show and what
Speaker 1: the room is like, and she has nothing but good
Speaker 1: things to say about and just like, oh, like this
Speaker 1: is a huge show that like she's opening my eyes
Speaker 1: to all this stuff that I never or give a
Speaker 1: second thought too. Well, you know, I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: wild small experience that I have had, which has been
Speaker 1: like extremely like active fit like Instagram like food freaks
Speaker 1: kind of who are like I only eat seeds, but
Speaker 1: I've been tagged in like multiple things from women like
Speaker 1: that who basically are like I gotta say, I used
Speaker 1: to watch the show thinking like fat people were lazy
Speaker 1: and gross, and I now like have empathy and feel
Speaker 1: for them and I understand that, like they're human beings too,
Speaker 1: and that to me was like, holy, how did you
Speaker 1: take that one? I know, but you know what, grateful
Speaker 1: for it, because to me, that's like what TV can do.
Speaker 1: You know. I always like make you see people who
Speaker 1: are unlike yourself and you're like, oh, I'm interested in
Speaker 1: fare about them or whatever. And also we all know
Speaker 1: it's hard to get truly anything made, and the fact
Speaker 1: that like you've gotten something made that like does is
Speaker 1: meaningful to people and also is like so funny and
Speaker 1: great like and it's gone on. It's just like I'm
Speaker 1: sure it should be something that every day when you
Speaker 1: drink your coffee you think wow. When I when I
Speaker 1: talk about the cultural impact, I just mean that it's
Speaker 1: like good for the city of Portland. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all I was just I was I was merely
Speaker 1: only talking about like it's great that people like it
Speaker 1: empowers them. But I was talking about the Portland community
Speaker 1: that I'm happy that that people there get to get
Speaker 1: to work and the coffee people like when you're on
Speaker 1: your way to set, like I'm concerned that they're working. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I want to be clear that I think what
Speaker 1: me having a TV show is more important than like,
Speaker 1: you know, pediatric surgeon, Like I don't even know what
Speaker 1: they do. I don't even know what a pediatric surgeon does.
Speaker 1: I don't know what pediatrics is, orthopedic, pediatriciropractic. It's actually
Speaker 1: all the same. Dove just raised his sign. He's at
Speaker 1: ad breaker else, so we'll be right back when break
Speaker 1: or else else we'll get into a very big weapon,
Speaker 1: very big weapon, and we're back now and we have
Speaker 1: to ask the question. I'm going to hand it off
Speaker 1: to you because here's the thing we actually said on
Speaker 1: our new podcast, we're going to do after our first
Speaker 1: ad break, We're always going to ask a question. And
Speaker 1: then here's the thing we were having too much fun
Speaker 1: and spun off, which I actually had a feeling what
Speaker 1: happened on this I knew it what I didn't even
Speaker 1: have a feeling. So one of the things about this
Speaker 1: podcast is that we ask every guest the same question.
Speaker 1: And the only person we haven't asked is Margaret cho
Speaker 1: because we got too scared. But we are going to
Speaker 1: ask you because I feel very comfortable and I feel
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to ask the question that We've asked to
Speaker 1: everyone else, which is what is the culture that made you?
Speaker 1: Adie Bryant say, culture was for you. This was the
Speaker 1: defining pop culture that came in a moment where you
Speaker 1: were like, oh me, I'm in that I'd like to
Speaker 1: develop from based on this point. You know, I've listened
Speaker 1: to the show many times, you but so I definitely like,
Speaker 1: you know, there are things where I've I feel some
Speaker 1: overlap with like other previous guests, you know, imagine they're
Speaker 1: all dead. Yeah, I will say I was big into Greece.
Speaker 1: I was big into you know, freaking peee Herman. But
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this this morning because I knew
Speaker 1: I was coming here. I think you remember John Waters.
Speaker 1: Oh I do find I feel like I found John
Speaker 1: Waters later though it wasn't the first, but John Waters
Speaker 1: is big. And then, um, I think what I have
Speaker 1: to say is like local commercials in Phoenix, Arizona, where
Speaker 1: I grew up, it so often was like the wife
Speaker 1: of a man who owned a furniture store who was
Speaker 1: like and now I'm going to sing on camera, and
Speaker 1: like that for me was I just like even as
Speaker 1: a child, I knew like this is crazy, or like
Speaker 1: I love her light's camera action mattress. Okay, there was one.
Speaker 1: There was one. There was one woman whose name was
Speaker 1: Debbie Gaby and she was like very southern and she
Speaker 1: was like, I'm Debbie Gaby and then she would there
Speaker 1: was a song with it. She worked at a place
Speaker 1: called Sleep America and she was like, Sleep Ammerica where
Speaker 1: America goes to sleep? Which is and Sleep Ammerica where
Speaker 1: America goes to sleep. Can I ask something annoying? Is
Speaker 1: this the inspiration behind our waterbeds are the best? Absolutely? Yes?
Speaker 1: Actually that was based on a woman a different Arizona
Speaker 1: commercial where um, this woman sort of saying like these
Speaker 1: like jazzy songs and um, the it was like Express
Speaker 1: flooring is the best and she did a little head bob.
Speaker 1: Can you can you sing one? Um from your childhood?
Speaker 1: Okay it's but National American University. We all had right
Speaker 1: one day, one night, Saturdays, all right online just by
Speaker 1: night time any time, get your degree, set yourself free,
Speaker 1: National American University. That single, it's a soaring melody. I
Speaker 1: love it. It's genius who ever wrote that? God bless that.
Speaker 1: I'm freaked. That was really good American University. And then
Speaker 1: and the ads were it was one person singing this
Speaker 1: an amazing voice. Gender is unclear, but it actually works
Speaker 1: perfectly because they cut two different people. Generic people just
Speaker 1: lip sinking to it, just smile on their face to
Speaker 1: the track and it's beautifully, beautifully done. And then was
Speaker 1: it like personal injury like lawyers too? One that was
Speaker 1: what eight hundred steamers that's incredible, but there wasn't. It
Speaker 1: was like they would steam your clothes. And then there
Speaker 1: was there was a steam cloth carpet. No, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I got to be carpet close. They don't have that money, Okay.
Speaker 1: There was also I have to say that I think
Speaker 1: for me what like I was grabbing onto was like
Speaker 1: there was an element of like sex and like performance
Speaker 1: that I wasn't finding like in loose Arizona, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was such like an element of like she's
Speaker 1: taking her moment and getting on cam. I don't know
Speaker 1: it it is that is an energy. And also it's
Speaker 1: like there's something about out like how many takes, There's
Speaker 1: something about what did was she involved in the writing
Speaker 1: process of the jingle? There's something about what's that relationship? Um,
Speaker 1: here's one that I really liked, so this is from
Speaker 1: Sports Radio in the morning. Okay, okay, so this was
Speaker 1: this is the theme Sports Radio sixty six. We again,
Speaker 1: now York. You know that, well you're saying, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was. There was a show about baseball and football
Speaker 1: and all that, and yeah, you don't have to get
Speaker 1: to Hollywood to get a Hollywood ten, to get a
Speaker 1: Hollywood ten, god to get a that's beautiful, but like
Speaker 1: beautiful little little lilts and Grace Notes were saying. I
Speaker 1: was just going to say, like, I also feel like
Speaker 1: part of it was that there was like a little
Speaker 1: western flavor, like a little Southwestern taste like that. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge country head. I like the older stuff,
Speaker 1: but as a child, my next door neighbor he worked
Speaker 1: i think for some sort of country music station and
Speaker 1: he was a DJ, and so I was always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in the industry. Because it was part
Speaker 1: of this was because I have a feeling that I
Speaker 1: think we all kind of attached to these commercials and
Speaker 1: a wait for us, for like us little like show
Speaker 1: people were like, oh, there's an entry point for like
Speaker 1: entertainment that is kind of accessible and attainable end and
Speaker 1: it's in my town. This was made in my town,
Speaker 1: which was like big to me, arizonahtag reason. But there
Speaker 1: was one that was like for this casino that was
Speaker 1: kind of on the outside edge of town and it
Speaker 1: was like a montage of like poker chips and like
Speaker 1: hot women in red dresses. And I'm going to sing
Speaker 1: it for you now. Yeah that wild Horse Pass on
Speaker 1: the side, quiver on the west, go to the river.
Speaker 1: He luria a casine. No where the winners go? Where
Speaker 1: that's actually really emotionally where the windows? Fucking wrote it?
Speaker 1: Who wrote it? Honestly? That person that I just had
Speaker 1: chills thinking about it and like, you know, think of
Speaker 1: me like fat twelve rose a show one tooth, absolutely
Speaker 1: sunburned and just being like to the river, the river
Speaker 1: where the windows it's transporta. Now we're talking about this
Speaker 1: casino that's in Arizona. Can I tell you something that
Speaker 1: I've noticed about Arizona A lot of state pride or
Speaker 1: maybe I just watched the view every day. She's always
Speaker 1: like Arizona girl. Yeah, Megan, Megan, and you went to
Speaker 1: high school with Megan, yes, and you know she loves
Speaker 1: to say this and um, we did not know each other.
Speaker 1: We went to high school together. She was a senior
Speaker 1: when I was a freshman, and that's like a gap
Speaker 1: of chasm that you can't really cross. I mean, like
Speaker 1: no freshman talked to senior. Well. Also, like her dad
Speaker 1: had a computer lab named after him. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: imagine that every elementary school and every school there has
Speaker 1: a McCain. Yeah. I think it was like based on
Speaker 1: donations and stuff. And especially now there's something about Okay,
Speaker 1: not Colorado is literally hundreds and hundreds. It's the West
Speaker 1: is actually the same. There is this like arid culture.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mean literally the farmland is arid.
Speaker 1: It's just like everyone's brains are bad. You're absolutely a
Speaker 1: villain what you're joined to you So you're attacking arid
Speaker 1: culture and you' attacking Arizona and then the whole West,
Speaker 1: and you've attacked the jowels of a young I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: growing up in Colorado, this is like truth. And I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful for like whatever, like you just growing up
Speaker 1: around all the Mormons and the Whatevers and the and
Speaker 1: the ski people. But like it was not meant for
Speaker 1: a little gay Asian boy like me to thrive in right,
Speaker 1: I agree, with you completely that Like I feel like
Speaker 1: a little bit like Utah, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico. It's
Speaker 1: like important to be normal. Like it's very like that
Speaker 1: is their culture is like everybody is kind of the same,
Speaker 1: we all kind of dressed the same. It's important that
Speaker 1: we're having normal, nice lives, which you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's very comfortable. But if you're not feeling like you
Speaker 1: fit into that normal, you're like, holy fuck, I can't
Speaker 1: exist here a little bit, right If you have New
Speaker 1: York values, well, this is the thing and the boot
Speaker 1: you wear boots in New York's cabo. I okay, No
Speaker 1: one's brains are bad in there. Some people it's just
Speaker 1: not the brains are actually bad because they don't wear
Speaker 1: sunscreen on their scalp. I'm just saying, like it's a
Speaker 1: weird ass place. My thing about I. I love Denver,
Speaker 1: but when we went to I told you, right, Brittany Colston, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have not attacked or she she she literally saw
Speaker 1: me ten eleven years after me and pat riegan eating
Speaker 1: burritos at Legal Pizza, but before our show, before I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. She comes up to me. She
Speaker 1: goes bowen I haven't seen you in forever. I thought
Speaker 1: you were going to be a doctor. You were always
Speaker 1: so good at math and like, get away from me, girl,
Speaker 1: and truly. But then she said the bleakest thing to me,
Speaker 1: which was, it's crazy that you went to New York
Speaker 1: because no one leaves here. And I was like, you
Speaker 1: cannot do this. You need to like you need to
Speaker 1: like tell me how beautiful it is to live here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, I am like rooting for Denver rights.
Speaker 1: I've never been to Denver. You gotta go at Denver's.
Speaker 1: Denver's phenomenal. Now, that was one of our best shows.
Speaker 1: I don't tell anyone in Denver. I'm just guys. When
Speaker 1: I talk about Denver, when I talk about Colorade, I
Speaker 1: mean growing up there. Please, that's whenever I big reference
Speaker 1: to Ahil and I always talk about it. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's how because you have to understand something. I don't
Speaker 1: know when you guys realized this about yourself. But I
Speaker 1: remember when I realized I had New York values. I
Speaker 1: actually did you realize? I actually remember the moment I realized,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I think I have New York values. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when when don't leave on the edge. I'm edging over here.
Speaker 1: Actually realized remember the moment um I was watching um
Speaker 1: American Idols and Ryan Seacrest said, You're going to Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and I, um, you thought I want to go? I
Speaker 1: thought Hollywood? And I came to my pants. And that
Speaker 1: was also when I realized. I was realized what that
Speaker 1: was because that had never happened before. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: first time, that first time, it was always like what's happening?
Speaker 1: You know? And so then I was really uncomfortable, and
Speaker 1: I was kind of walking around in school and I
Speaker 1: was scared to talk to the health teacher. Yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 1: it's obsed. I didn't know what I was going with.
Speaker 1: It was good, it was good. It was good. I'm
Speaker 1: so you and Megan are probably the two most famous
Speaker 1: people from your heart. No, I think I'm a stone, Yes, yeah, yes, really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys bond about that. We've talked about it definitely,
Speaker 1: which we did go to the same high school also, yes,
Speaker 1: but barely bare. I mean she was a freshman when
Speaker 1: I was a sophomore, a smaller gapaer gap. But no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I definitely I feel like at least
Speaker 1: with these commercial women, Yes, I was very like, I
Speaker 1: think those are all the characters that I play on
Speaker 1: us in l Now. You know, I don't know you
Speaker 1: are you are very good at and this is something
Speaker 1: that Sudi is very good at too. When we were
Speaker 1: doing together, she was very good at playing like that girl,
Speaker 1: you know that woman you guys that you thought you
Speaker 1: were the only person who knew like my favorite is
Speaker 1: um when you played the woman on the airport, on
Speaker 1: the A on the airplane. Yes, well I'm a fan. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let me ask you, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: You don't just come in here and say I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of you. We're a fan of you. You actually
Speaker 1: you actually are a guest that we wanted to get
Speaker 1: on the show for years and had scheduling conflicts. I know,
Speaker 1: but don't you feel like it almost happened so many
Speaker 1: times where it would be like a veal Thursday and
Speaker 1: you like, we're only a Bill Friday, like some difficult starlet. Okay,
Speaker 1: well you actually, you actually are the most famous person here.
Speaker 1: And that's an accusation. That's an accusation, and that actually
Speaker 1: gives you power. And we're on the receiving end of
Speaker 1: a bad power dynamic. Yeah, I don't know who. That's true.
Speaker 1: I think that Bowen is more famous kind of true.
Speaker 1: I mean that genuinely, I think, and I genuinely reject.
Speaker 1: I reject this. Okay, well, I guess because I feel
Speaker 1: like that you've been getting the press. I mean, she
Speaker 1: was written about by miss and you want do you want?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about this? You think? I think to
Speaker 1: some degree, to some degree we can. I'm decided to
Speaker 1: see what to agree you guys too. So January twenty something,
Speaker 1: it's a Saturday. It's a Saturday. The piece is going
Speaker 1: to come out. And I had a feeling the whole time.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going to like this. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna like this, and so you decided before meanwhile,
Speaker 1: talking but no, no, no, no, no, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Talking to Marine was great. We had such a nice
Speaker 1: time together. But I was like, there's gonna be something
Speaker 1: about this, no matter what, no matter what is written,
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna that's gonna upset me. And then sort
Speaker 1: of had that sort of and I hadn't been sleeping
Speaker 1: well and truly, like I get the New York Times
Speaker 1: emails like every fucking morning at six am, um, and
Speaker 1: it pops up while I'm like tossing and turning in
Speaker 1: bad and I'm literally sleep deprived. Had just come from
Speaker 1: a damn pre tape. Um, that's as low as you
Speaker 1: can go, that's as low as you can go, six
Speaker 1: in the morning on Saturday morning, having just shot a
Speaker 1: short short as hard as you can It sounds, it
Speaker 1: sounds horrible, it's horrible. I just want anyway. So then
Speaker 1: I read that the whole piece and I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: this is really fucking weird. And then went to work
Speaker 1: the next day and then I just was feeling so
Speaker 1: out of it, and then I get the most blessed
Speaker 1: text in the world from Adi Brilliant says, Hey, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're blocking the next thing, but um,
Speaker 1: if you're not, just like, come swing by my my
Speaker 1: little house for a chat. And I was like, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I knew that this was what I needed.
Speaker 1: And then I saw you had to go through security,
Speaker 1: because there's security security separate actually, so I gave him
Speaker 1: a pass man cast actually is in the castle and
Speaker 1: and featured, Um, they still have to be in the
Speaker 1: swamp and yeah, that's right. We send down our scraps
Speaker 1: of our old spaghetti for them to eat in the swamp,
Speaker 1: the scraps of spaghetti, scraps of spaghetti for the swamp.
Speaker 1: And then I go into her and then we just
Speaker 1: had like truly the most meaningful, best, most like balming
Speaker 1: conversation I've ever had at that place, truly, like you
Speaker 1: like talked me through it in such a perfect way,
Speaker 1: and we you like really like found every single little
Speaker 1: wrinkle contour that I hadn't even thought of yet to
Speaker 1: be like and actually, what you're experiencing is maybe this,
Speaker 1: and I've experienced this version of it, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, WHOA, yes, crazy, and um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was just a mental lot and I love you dearly,
Speaker 1: and I think it is. I mean, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like just what we were touching on of like it's
Speaker 1: tho as low as you can go. No, it's sucking,
Speaker 1: not like kind of where it's like you feel incredibly
Speaker 1: honored to be like written about in the times. You
Speaker 1: feel like, oh my god, I can't believe I have
Speaker 1: worked so long and so hard to be at this place.
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, it's a really bizarre
Speaker 1: experience to like open up your personhood, your family, your
Speaker 1: sense of self to be like consumed by the public. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think if you have like any uh sense
Speaker 1: of like grounded feelings, it's like you're like I'm in
Speaker 1: outer space and there's no handbook and and even like
Speaker 1: a therapy piste can help you, but they can't know
Speaker 1: what it's like, and like it's just a Really it
Speaker 1: is kind of one of those things where like I
Speaker 1: really end up turning to Kate or I really end
Speaker 1: up turning to like people who are experiencing it with
Speaker 1: me at the same time, because it's like it's just
Speaker 1: hard to describe and you don't want to sound ungrateful,
Speaker 1: but it is. It's really dizzy ng and like freaky.
Speaker 1: I mean, to be out of control of your narrative
Speaker 1: at all has to be a like crazy making experience,
Speaker 1: like especially for people who are like used to creating
Speaker 1: and used to expressing to you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: being deliberate yes, and then and and also like I mean,
Speaker 1: especially with you, you are very Actually I hadn't thought
Speaker 1: about it like this until now. Really, you are someone
Speaker 1: who is so detail oriented and you're so like um,
Speaker 1: you know, you like like things the way that you
Speaker 1: like them, like you are very um, like, I think
Speaker 1: that you like aspects of control, and so to hand
Speaker 1: it over like to someone who's writing a piece about
Speaker 1: you that's going to be probably reached by more are
Speaker 1: people than you've been able to reach right now in
Speaker 1: terms of, hey, here's something about me, Like this person
Speaker 1: has a lot of power and a lot of control
Speaker 1: over that narrative, and they do that, and so I
Speaker 1: can see reading it and even though I think it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, there was nothing about the piece
Speaker 1: to me that I objected to. For you, I can
Speaker 1: see being in your head and being like, well, this
Speaker 1: isn't me, and I am allowed to have an opinion
Speaker 1: on it and a take on it because it has
Speaker 1: an opinion in a take on me. So anyway, um,
Speaker 1: that's my literal relationship. But I will I will say
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that that well, that's something I'm not surprised,
Speaker 1: just that it's like, of course she reached out because
Speaker 1: I feel like you are the kind of person and
Speaker 1: I could sense this, like even like watching you through
Speaker 1: the screen when I was just like a fan of yours,
Speaker 1: like when I was watching us, and now I was like,
Speaker 1: there's something where we the audience and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised that people have connected with Shrill like you
Speaker 1: do have the quality where it's like when you're like
Speaker 1: joking on SNL and you're doing these things, you really
Speaker 1: feel like you're doing it with us, and there's a
Speaker 1: connection to that we have to you. And so the
Speaker 1: fact that you are so actually lovely is just like, well,
Speaker 1: I could have told you that. I feel like that
Speaker 1: that really comes through on screen. It's so nice. Well,
Speaker 1: it's true, it's very touching to me. But there was
Speaker 1: there was something remember when Adie got hired, like and
Speaker 1: you and I were just watched it because I was
Speaker 1: there the process, but but but like just watching it
Speaker 1: because I remember it just being a thing where you
Speaker 1: were like, oh, that's like that person. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: what you describe when we play star actress, like a
Speaker 1: star someone who pops on the screen and you're like,
Speaker 1: please don't put it stop. This is Matt and Matt.
Speaker 1: Matt brought this up the other day and it's like
Speaker 1: the encapsulated thing about stars that they show up on
Speaker 1: screen and you go, I get it. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like it was like day day, motherfucking one. You're like yeah,
Speaker 1: there were everyone, but curse me if I'm wrong, Like
Speaker 1: it you had to work in the beginning. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like when you are, you're so talented
Speaker 1: and that's apparent, but like I remember on that first season,
Speaker 1: like you had the sleep the best friends, and then
Speaker 1: like I remember, you started to get more opportunities and
Speaker 1: I really saw you like shining and like like but
Speaker 1: I think that for example, with you Bow and like
Speaker 1: first episode they had you like doing a weekend future,
Speaker 1: and I think with you it was a little bit
Speaker 1: different where it was like and like you know, that
Speaker 1: is why like every new cast member has like such
Speaker 1: a totally different experience, because I would say it took
Speaker 1: me like two years to really be like getting stuff
Speaker 1: on that I had written, and part of it was
Speaker 1: just like I was like I don't know how to
Speaker 1: fucking do this. I had never been on camera ever
Speaker 1: really ever. Know. I was like doing you know, second
Speaker 1: City shows and like improv shows in Chicago, Like had
Speaker 1: never even done like a commercial or anything, and so
Speaker 1: it was just like I don't know how to do this.
Speaker 1: Like it took me a little while. And you came
Speaker 1: from improv more, right, did you? Second? I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: Second City is sketch. It's it's weird. I definitely did
Speaker 1: more improv like that was where I started, but it
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I kind of did stuff with the annoyance,
Speaker 1: which is like writing or improvising to write like if
Speaker 1: that makes sense, um, and then Second City is like sketch.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I had written sketch, but it
Speaker 1: was just like you know, on that level, it's it's
Speaker 1: how you relearn everything. Yeah, because I mean, I I
Speaker 1: kind of like to say that I that I kind
Speaker 1: of like was broken down completely last season as a writer,
Speaker 1: and I want to I want to retract what I
Speaker 1: said because it made it sound like it was easier
Speaker 1: for you immediately at the show and you did have
Speaker 1: and it's always hard, but where it's like first week,
Speaker 1: the listeners might be like he just was an assholt.
Speaker 1: You had. You had the kind of year that everyone
Speaker 1: has where it's like you have to figure it out.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like all of a sudden you arrived and
Speaker 1: were like a princes. The amount of times I've sobbed
Speaker 1: in study's office, Yeah, oh the sobbing is key. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's important. I mean, and I definitely like remember there
Speaker 1: was a time where like I was had just started
Speaker 1: on the show and like my piece like crushed at
Speaker 1: the table, and so I was like it's definitely gonna go.
Speaker 1: And then it didn't get picked, and I was like
Speaker 1: that hurts. And then I went home and Connor like
Speaker 1: still was in Chicago, like shutting down our apartment. So
Speaker 1: I was like home alone and I reached to throw
Speaker 1: something away and I leaned forward and hit my head
Speaker 1: on like a wall basically in this apartment that I
Speaker 1: had just gotten because I wasn't used to it, and
Speaker 1: I remember I slid down the wall and was like
Speaker 1: like just totally all blown. And it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're fine, honey, here on a Saturday Night Live. They're
Speaker 1: paying you. But it was like, you know yourself, it's confusing,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know, but the fact that
Speaker 1: it's Saturday Night Live makes it hard. It doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: not a comfort. It makes it harder because when you're
Speaker 1: a first year person SNL, I would assume it's kind
Speaker 1: of like and I felt like this with the audition
Speaker 1: to it's like they this is your moment to do it,
Speaker 1: and so if it's not going great, that's what's in
Speaker 1: your head? Like it's not. It's not I'm on SNL.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, It'll be fine. It's I'm on SNL. Fuck yes.
Speaker 1: And it's funny that you say that, because like, truly,
Speaker 1: when I got hired, I never was like jumping up
Speaker 1: and down like oh my god, I got hired us now,
Speaker 1: Like I right away was like, oh fuck, I'm terrified
Speaker 1: and like this is gonna be hard and I'm scared.
Speaker 1: And I never really had like a celebratory moment maybe
Speaker 1: until like Shrow came out, because I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, you know, that's an interesting that's not
Speaker 1: truthful because I I I also didn't really have any
Speaker 1: moment like that either. I was just oh, fuck this,
Speaker 1: this has to happen. I have this opportunity window that
Speaker 1: I have to like, yeah, of both of you guys, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think that how you felt about how your
Speaker 1: audition went played into how you felt when you got cast?
Speaker 1: Like did Julie of your test thinking I crushed? I
Speaker 1: don't know that I thought I crushed, but I definitely
Speaker 1: I remember like when I was auditioning, I had gotten
Speaker 1: I kind of had met Jason Sadecas before and and
Speaker 1: he had kind of messaged me and been like, you
Speaker 1: should do this political impression because she's going to host
Speaker 1: a debate. And he had kind of like given me
Speaker 1: like an insider Yeah, he had told me, like you
Speaker 1: should get Candy down because you know that put that
Speaker 1: in your audition. And I remember just like kind of
Speaker 1: being like, maybe I should listen to Jason, you know,
Speaker 1: he's giving me this insider tip. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's not me, you know, like I'm
Speaker 1: not like a impression person, and this is my one
Speaker 1: chance to audition for S and L and I really
Speaker 1: just want to do like my ship so that if
Speaker 1: they hire me, I I'm like hired for my ship
Speaker 1: and not because I was trying to be something that
Speaker 1: I thought they might like and that question and so
Speaker 1: I really only did like dumb characters. I did almost
Speaker 1: no impressions. I wrote stuff that I thought was funny
Speaker 1: that like I liked, you know, and um leaving. That
Speaker 1: was my guiding light, like when I got hired was
Speaker 1: that I was like all I did was stuff that
Speaker 1: I like to write. That's what they hired me for,
Speaker 1: Like that I can do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Instead of feeling like okay, yeah, yeah, like I was
Speaker 1: just like, okay, I can hold on to like the
Speaker 1: stuff that I like to do. I don't know it's
Speaker 1: it's because it's I guess it must have been comfortable.
Speaker 1: They liked that, like my work totally, like I wanted
Speaker 1: to continue to pretend. Yeah I couldn't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So so I didn't leave being like I crushed, but
Speaker 1: I left at least being like I did my fucking thing,
Speaker 1: and either they like it or they don't like you know,
Speaker 1: that's me, you know how feel well. I just want
Speaker 1: to first off say that that like takes so much
Speaker 1: like conviction of self to like stick to though. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you were you were like twenty nine. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, like nineteen, and then I don't think I
Speaker 1: could have done it. That would have been three or
Speaker 1: four years earlier. There's no way. I wasn't ready. I
Speaker 1: literally I was going to say twenty one, and then
Speaker 1: my brain shifted to nineteen and I said twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I had to explain myself, okay, because you're eighty nine,
Speaker 1: that's right, old woman. I'm sick of not doing well.
Speaker 1: You're sick, but you look young thank you, congratulations on that.
Speaker 1: That's the sickness. I felt like I by the end,
Speaker 1: I kind of let the whole like the whole like
Speaker 1: mold of like what they wanted to see if they
Speaker 1: kind of pervaded, which which which which felt weird. But
Speaker 1: I think there's like smarts to that too. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's it can go either way, just you
Speaker 1: have to just commit to it. I remember the first
Speaker 1: time for me, it was like I did my own
Speaker 1: thing and felt great about it. And then the second
Speaker 1: time I felt like I played the game too hard
Speaker 1: and felt like about it. And it's so it's but
Speaker 1: but either way, I think that people that go in
Speaker 1: with a plan and are strategic they can be successful.
Speaker 1: But also people that like go in there and say
Speaker 1: this is what I do, got damn Like those people
Speaker 1: are rad It's just a choice to do that because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times it don't dang work out,
Speaker 1: don't actually don't dang um. I do have to really
Speaker 1: quickly say that I cribbed from Ade Bryant syntax up
Speaker 1: top when I said, yes, I damn do, that's that's
Speaker 1: an adeism. And to put damn before a verb, that's
Speaker 1: that's that's what it is. And I wait, can I
Speaker 1: give a can I give my mother dann Bird update? Yes,
Speaker 1: she was texting me from the beach the other day.
Speaker 1: She's now in Florida. My parents go down there. There's
Speaker 1: snowbirds now and they have a condo. And she was
Speaker 1: on the beach with my aunt and my cousin who
Speaker 1: recently went through a breakup. So they were at the beach. Christina. Yes, wow,
Speaker 1: you are literally sister life. Literally sister literally, sister life
Speaker 1: hashtag hashtag Actually larry such a life hashtag after those words. Actually,
Speaker 1: and my mom famously said, damn bird the last time
Speaker 1: checks me from a beach because at dan Bird came
Speaker 1: over and took the sandwich. Yeah, we remember this, so
Speaker 1: she and we she knows that she's become popular on
Speaker 1: the podcast for dan Bird and so now and people
Speaker 1: will be in my in my d m s every
Speaker 1: time I posted a picture of Kristina and they'll say
Speaker 1: damn bird. And they noticed stylize it with two ms,
Speaker 1: which is the way that she spells down. So she
Speaker 1: says to me, she texts me, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: was like what she goes, literally, damn bird a bird
Speaker 1: pooped on me. She can't go to the damn beach,
Speaker 1: the woman bird, the bird bird and return to the bird.
Speaker 1: Damn bird, damn bird. These damn birds actually won't stop.
Speaker 1: Damn bird. I am, I am he I stand seagulls.
Speaker 1: They're fucking you, stir wild because they don't think about
Speaker 1: anything but themselves. Now, when Connor and I worked on
Speaker 1: a cruise ship sometimes yes, yes, proudly, but there used
Speaker 1: to be these seagulls that would come and basically like
Speaker 1: target children because they knew they were weak, and absolutely
Speaker 1: go hard to get their fries, like on the back
Speaker 1: of his boat. And I would say, our hearts were
Speaker 1: so sad for being a c for four months and
Speaker 1: doing bad improv that our only joy became watching like
Speaker 1: the seagulls eat children's fries. These birds, actually they're strong.
Speaker 1: It's actually real culture. These birds are number one and three.
Speaker 1: These birds are strong. I needed a rule of culture.
Speaker 1: We haven't done that many. I'm sorry. You have to
Speaker 1: understand that we're just now getting back into the flow
Speaker 1: of hosting and we feel very How do you like
Speaker 1: our setup? I love this also, like I hope you
Speaker 1: think we're doing a good job and I hope the
Speaker 1: listeners like this. I think that I think that everyone
Speaker 1: is thinking this episode is actually going to win this time.
Speaker 1: Ye did you hear they're doing a podcast like a
Speaker 1: big major awards show that's it should be illegal and
Speaker 1: it's a golden maybe for some time that there should
Speaker 1: be no Oscars, no Golden Globes, no Emmys. There should
Speaker 1: be one. There should be one. And they do TV
Speaker 1: and movies at the same time, and they take all
Speaker 1: the money and they give it to the people. It's
Speaker 1: getting dark. There's too many the critics too. Send the
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon Awards. Well, really, what we need to get rid
Speaker 1: of as the Nickelodeon Awards because they're the most time,
Speaker 1: the most topic. It's actually it's actually Rusty six, the
Speaker 1: most toxic awards. It's getting to be inhumane to like
Speaker 1: make these people buy a new outfit for a new
Speaker 1: thing every week for about three months. They're wasting our time. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like us as people who attend.
Speaker 1: I'm saying like people who want like it's this is rude,
Speaker 1: it's like stupid. First of all, I love some of
Speaker 1: these people that get awards so much, Like I love
Speaker 1: Laura Dern. You making me watch fifteen different Laura Dern
Speaker 1: Awards speeches doesn't make me like Laura Dernat honestly takes
Speaker 1: this person that I guess you the industry are trying
Speaker 1: to be like you like her, so pay, like give
Speaker 1: us your money, like watch her on programs. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: by over saturating these people, you drive us nuts. It's
Speaker 1: you drive us cool crazy. And this might be like
Speaker 1: a weird afterthought, but like to make a damn to
Speaker 1: make a damn team of Carr's work an afterparty five
Speaker 1: different after parties in Los Angeles alone, every week from
Speaker 1: December to March. It's like, excuse me, it's just so's
Speaker 1: it puts such a strain on it, just for this
Speaker 1: like weird little industry that doesn't really matter in the end.
Speaker 1: And also I'm sorry, and I will take this to
Speaker 1: the streets. They've got to stop sending a screeners they have.
Speaker 1: It actually needs to happen, Like I don't know what
Speaker 1: the rules are, but like they have to do this.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, Okay, the pale of marvelous Mrs Mazel's. They
Speaker 1: need to fucking check themselves. I don't think honestly, how
Speaker 1: fucking me a suitcase of DVT truly in order to
Speaker 1: get me to vote for them. And I will say
Speaker 1: this to Mazel's face to anyone is insane, literally literally
Speaker 1: like the planet is dying. So everyone that doesn't know
Speaker 1: who everyone listening who doesn't get w g A screeners
Speaker 1: like the w g A like does the awards, and
Speaker 1: so Amazon being Amazon sent to I guess it was
Speaker 1: like a little makeup box, like big game pound box
Speaker 1: of disks. Yeah, and it had little extra stuff like
Speaker 1: a postcard from whatever Mazel had been and then little
Speaker 1: coasters which were cheap, and then you can actually use
Speaker 1: it as like a makeup box or like a little
Speaker 1: lunch box. I guess. But it had to be every
Speaker 1: single one had to be made by like a child
Speaker 1: and ship and like and of course fucking Amazon is yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like there's no Hubris. And they also sent out
Speaker 1: a huge Modern Love box. Did you get that one? Now?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was like a trap. It was
Speaker 1: like literally like a pirate's chest arrived at the greted
Speaker 1: Titleman house and I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with this because I'm not watching Modern Love.
Speaker 1: It's so much waste. It's so much. It's so bad.
Speaker 1: I mean because Connor and I are both we're doing
Speaker 1: double time and and we've now, I guess there's a
Speaker 1: way to opt out, and I think we've possibly figured
Speaker 1: it out. But it's like the fact that these are
Speaker 1: fucking going to people's like weird business manager's office is
Speaker 1: and then just going right into the trash. Yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 1: It makes me fucking craziest industry. It's actually it's actually
Speaker 1: most of the Texas sized plastic island is masal lunchboxes.
Speaker 1: S fucking dare you send me a suitcase? You know
Speaker 1: what this is? It's for the elderly who are in
Speaker 1: the who are in the unions because they want to
Speaker 1: stick to DVD players and they don't know how to
Speaker 1: stream ship. That is literally nuts. I don't know. That's like,
Speaker 1: this's like what people berg on the View yelling at
Speaker 1: AOC because she doesn't respect her elders. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: because we all need to have a conversation, sweetie. That's
Speaker 1: actually good, we all are. When when was on the View,
Speaker 1: I texted her. I was like, yeah, to tell me everything.
Speaker 1: It was. It was also I think I don't do
Speaker 1: this that they were like, you have to come back
Speaker 1: and guest host, and I was like, I will, absolutely wouldn't.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that makes me more panicked than hearing them
Speaker 1: all do their political takes and then them turning to
Speaker 1: me and maybe I'm like, oh, I think I would
Speaker 1: do that. It's also a Megan Became would be like
Speaker 1: the same, you have to do it. I think that
Speaker 1: one day in my life I will be on you.
Speaker 1: Yes you will, even if I have to be in
Speaker 1: a damn chicken costume. Sometimes they do do that. They
Speaker 1: do be doing. It's called chicken of the week. Is
Speaker 1: that the chicken comes out, it doesn't dance. Um, is
Speaker 1: this real? With Joy? Honestly, I would have anything you
Speaker 1: said about the view or the Kelly Clarkson Show, because
Speaker 1: I just assumed that Kelly Clarkson Show is seconds away
Speaker 1: from having a chicken another week, Like we found this
Speaker 1: chicken actually in Arizona and this is an amazing chicken.
Speaker 1: And they tweeted us, so here's the video and we're
Speaker 1: just a video of a chicken, like and she'd be like,
Speaker 1: I'm crying. That was so funny. Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: actually crying. And when we come back, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a Reba And after the break, Reba would come out
Speaker 1: and she would say, I love that chicken. That was funny.
Speaker 1: I thought was funny too. I could literally do a
Speaker 1: whole sixteen minute Kelly Boxon show. Maybe I should do
Speaker 1: that as a live show, come out as Kelly and
Speaker 1: just have guests. Rocks rock. Actually it's Ruler culture number
Speaker 1: forty nine, Reba Rocks. Thank you for joining. We always encourage,
Speaker 1: always encourage guests to join. We love one guests joint. Actually, yes,
Speaker 1: I think Doug's giving me a look. Well, Doug can
Speaker 1: keep looking. This is crazy. You actually can keep looking.
Speaker 1: I don't want this to add. I don't like the look.
Speaker 1: I don't like the look we have getting crazy. Well,
Speaker 1: so this actually it's actually okay, it's okay everyone and
Speaker 1: the dude we're gonna do. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Now now you tell them what I don't think. So okay.
Speaker 1: Every week we take one moment to rail against one moment.
Speaker 1: I take one moment. She's not a fan. She thinks
Speaker 1: it's only a moment long fuck this. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm actually mad and crying. Oh my god. We take
Speaker 1: against something in that is pissing us one moment, one moment. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: so listen. Should I go first? I think you should
Speaker 1: go first. I have a couple of things, but I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna do the one of the things. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be one of the something that made sense to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm ready. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Sorry, girl, Charros,
Speaker 1: guess what you smell better than you taste? Motherfucker? How
Speaker 1: come arrows? When I taste you, I'm always mad because
Speaker 1: when I smelled it, it has that overwhelming Auntie and
Speaker 1: smell where you can't walk past it and not buy it.
Speaker 1: And then I eat it and I'm a disappoint too.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Also, when you're hard, you're
Speaker 1: too hard. When you're soft, you're actually too soft. There's
Speaker 1: never been a time in the written word or the
Speaker 1: actual history where Churro has been the right consistency. And
Speaker 1: if there has been a time, no one's writing about it, honey,
Speaker 1: And you don't see it on the news because you
Speaker 1: are what not actually good? Today I watched Sudie green
Speaker 1: By one of you at the Universal Studios, Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: you were five and you might as well be damned paper.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The price of you and
Speaker 1: the price of a churl. I'm willing to pay zero dollars, honey,
Speaker 1: because I don't think so. And that's one that's your best.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just disagree. I actually find and
Speaker 1: I well, you haven't had a sweetie fun fun fun. Actually,
Speaker 1: if you want to really throw down, we actually could
Speaker 1: about best snacks at Disney. No. I mean I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that, don't. I don't want you on
Speaker 1: Disney or any kind you're not trying to like spar.
Speaker 1: I do want to spar. She wants to spark. You know.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Have you been to Disney World World?
Speaker 1: No Land, because I'm Land. You can make the drive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well there's lots of great stuff. Anyway to think about
Speaker 1: it now, I gotta say Matt is kind of moving
Speaker 1: away from the World camp. He's not thinking a fan
Speaker 1: of World as he used Well, but when and I
Speaker 1: recently went to Disneyland, and it's just it's so much
Speaker 1: easier because you don't much like a damn plane to
Speaker 1: get from Epcot to Magic Kingdom. I know, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I also think there's some of the like sixties charms.
Speaker 1: It's still there. The weakness isn't quite I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've never been to the land, but that's what I
Speaker 1: like about. Yeah, it's it's the it's the um wow,
Speaker 1: this is so um smallness of the of the like castle,
Speaker 1: this massive thing where you're like, okay, capitalism, yeah when
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the way you just that was slid that
Speaker 1: in contemn California Adventure Eat Ship and you kind of
Speaker 1: like missed the mic and we're like, you were scared
Speaker 1: to commit to it because you're actually trying to spar
Speaker 1: is the thing you actually came to spar tonight, And um,
Speaker 1: actually I really enjoy a California Adventure and you know
Speaker 1: who else enjoyed it, Bowing. I enjoyed it very much
Speaker 1: and Credi coaster popped off, popped all right, So actually
Speaker 1: this is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. And
Speaker 1: the thing about his time as it starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, magician. Don't you ever pull shit
Speaker 1: behind from behind my ear without asking me for her mission.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to equate it to like a thing
Speaker 1: that requires consent, But this is a thing where they
Speaker 1: everyone comes up to. These magicians come up to you
Speaker 1: have no regard for your boundaries, darling, and they start
Speaker 1: to like wave a little hands and fingers next to
Speaker 1: your hip or something, and then knives come out. It's
Speaker 1: so stupid. And the TikTok magicians are the worst. And
Speaker 1: TikTok magicians who will take a glass of water and
Speaker 1: put into it and it's revealed to be a cake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I cannot It's it's crazy, and it feels like it
Speaker 1: feels like a form of gas lining because it's like you're,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're distorting my sense of reality here
Speaker 1: by like fucking up my brain. And this is this
Speaker 1: is what you do. It's it's you barter in deceit
Speaker 1: and deceit. It's actually real culture number ninety six magicians
Speaker 1: barter in that deceit and it's they knowingly do it.
Speaker 1: That's what's really fucked up is it's they do it
Speaker 1: for money. It's magic is premeditated lies and deceit for money,
Speaker 1: and it's actually really culture number one. Magic is premeditated lies.
Speaker 1: And deceit for money, cash, important cash money. They actually
Speaker 1: can't you know, it's it's they're fucked up because they
Speaker 1: take cash cash so they don't get taxed. They're an
Speaker 1: incredibly disgusting people, magicians. And you know who their king
Speaker 1: is is that Neil Patrick Harris bitch, he's the king
Speaker 1: of magic. Magic, No, no, one of the one of
Speaker 1: the celebrities we've dragged the hardest on this podcast is
Speaker 1: Patrick Harris. Well, I don't know, is that true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we dragged him. I think we dragged him because he
Speaker 1: one time tweeted during the Tony Awards at Rachel Bloom,
Speaker 1: who is this all they have hosting backstage? She's not
Speaker 1: fun like something like that. And that is the Golden
Speaker 1: Globe without Rachel Blue. Yeah, and here's the thing. Um.
Speaker 1: One one person who I don't think is a magician
Speaker 1: and so we do trust her is eighth. No. Wait,
Speaker 1: let me let me think here, Okay, because I feel
Speaker 1: like I have zones and I'm I'm I'm scared. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna see what happens. Just no, this is not premedity.
Speaker 1: Let it flow, honey. Okay, I'm going to talk loudly,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. Sometimes I find myself on
Speaker 1: stage in front of a crowd and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is happening and it's an honey, And often they're
Speaker 1: all right, so this is eighty Bryant's I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: On this episode of last called Beeping Later and our
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Diarrhea. You've
Speaker 1: got your hands around my throat and you're killing me.
Speaker 1: It needs you to stop. I find not figure out
Speaker 1: what is causing you. Is it cheese? Is it like pepper?
Speaker 1: I'm so scared and I don't know what to do,
Speaker 1: and I've been to the doctors and they cannot help.
Speaker 1: And it's not all the time. But when you come,
Speaker 1: you come in hard. I'm mad and I'm so tired.
Speaker 1: What I wouldn't give to have a nice, solid cock
Speaker 1: like Ships said. What I get is a bag of
Speaker 1: loose sand covered in eels and slim. Why, why God
Speaker 1: have you done this to me? I am scared. I
Speaker 1: am scared. You are a bad element of my life,
Speaker 1: and I need you to get out out out damn spot.
Speaker 1: I am absolutely tired, and so I guess I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Diary I'm not wondering what I wouldn't give.
Speaker 1: Let let's just break down what happened. Well, I have
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. First of all, we had a
Speaker 1: Shakespeare reference, and then we had is it cheese? Is
Speaker 1: it pepper? Is it cheese? Is a pepper? One of
Speaker 1: It's like, that's always what it could come down to.
Speaker 1: Is it most commonly cheese or pepper? I thought that
Speaker 1: was a mass I have. I have to ask you
Speaker 1: a question because there was. I want to be clear.
Speaker 1: I'm not having diarrhea everything I want, and I am
Speaker 1: most of the time, but when it comes, it comes
Speaker 1: like a fucking gun to tame. Yes, a question. I
Speaker 1: need to ask you a question. I was experiencing poop
Speaker 1: like this that one would call diarrhea. Yeah, and I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why it was. I had been overdiagnosed with antibiotics,
Speaker 1: have been I've been not a pill. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, and I do think
Speaker 1: it's probably just like dairy. But sorry, I'm not about
Speaker 1: to stop. Yeah, it's actually one of the hardest things
Speaker 1: to give up, is cheese. Honey? Is it stress? Because
Speaker 1: for me sometimes comes down to stress. I do recall
Speaker 1: it as I was auditioning for usnel it was actually liquid.
Speaker 1: Hell oh no, and then you have to be thinking
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, And then I was like also like
Speaker 1: I was like, I can only eat like nuts and
Speaker 1: bananas because anything is going to trigger this be whole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but then like I don't know, it goes away,
Speaker 1: but then it just comes back before you've even settled
Speaker 1: into the normal soliditis. I can't draw the boundaries between
Speaker 1: on the dates anymore for when I poop solid or
Speaker 1: when I poop liquid. Wow, that's too much. It's too much.
Speaker 1: I gotta see someone. The doctors can't help me. Well
Speaker 1: that this is the thing is that it's not it's
Speaker 1: I don't want people to feel scared for me, And
Speaker 1: the last thing I want is fucking stranger's messaging me
Speaker 1: being like I can actually cure you. No, don't do that. Well,
Speaker 1: that's fine, Unfortunately you while explicitly not asking for that,
Speaker 1: I have unfortunately, and you've opened the flood gates. I
Speaker 1: would also say that's maybe the worst part of sometimes
Speaker 1: having to get your hair and makeup done is they
Speaker 1: often are like, you know, you have rosa sho and
Speaker 1: that means you have a lizard disease, and you need
Speaker 1: to get a shot every day in your eye. And
Speaker 1: I can actually help you if you'll follow me on
Speaker 1: Instagram and tag me. And I'm always like, holy hell,
Speaker 1: have you heard of a rock diet? Well, I eat rocks,
Speaker 1: It rocks. If to get a shot every day in
Speaker 1: your eyes, you actually have to get a shot every
Speaker 1: day in your eye that only I could start. It's
Speaker 1: a really big eye size needle. It looks like a hammer,
Speaker 1: but it's a needle and I have to come over
Speaker 1: and use it. What it takes to be industry. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing. If anyone ever told me they would they
Speaker 1: were a producer, I would let them spit on me.
Speaker 1: I left so hard my headphones. All you have to
Speaker 1: do is tell me that you're a producer, and I
Speaker 1: want to ask you if it's film, television, music. I'll
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, you could come and post spit. You
Speaker 1: could be putting your clothes back on, because I assume
Speaker 1: you want to get naked before you spit on me.
Speaker 1: You can tell me after why, by the way, well,
Speaker 1: I produce ship and then get out and I'd be like, hot, honestly,
Speaker 1: is this a bad episode? I'm scared, guess because I
Speaker 1: just love the show and so when I listen, I'm
Speaker 1: like so happy and of course inserting myself into it
Speaker 1: is bad. No, that sucks, and that actually actually sucks.
Speaker 1: And actually you actually insulted us. You insulted us. It
Speaker 1: was good. Please tag me if you do. That's good.
Speaker 1: It would mean a lot to me. I need about
Speaker 1: Can I say something though, answer? Yeah, okay, then I
Speaker 1: will say something. Um. I feel like my energy towards
Speaker 1: you coming on the podcast was like, well, this will
Speaker 1: be one of like like I would assume that you
Speaker 1: by the time this podcast wraps and like, let's say,
Speaker 1: will have like one of those Letterman's jacket they give
Speaker 1: to Drew Barrymore and everyone else that's hosted five times.
Speaker 1: See now I think of myself and pretend actually is
Speaker 1: like your Amy Sitters David Letterman situation where I like,
Speaker 1: come by and I'm like, I'm not promoting anything right
Speaker 1: now since she's long since been out, but I'm here
Speaker 1: to have fun with my guy. Yeah. Absolutely, And that's
Speaker 1: how I feel. I was thinking about you as an
Speaker 1: Amy it's Amy on Letterman and sorry to bring work
Speaker 1: into this. I feel like it's you on seth and Sumplement.
Speaker 1: It's just hear me out, Tom Hanks on s to
Speaker 1: It's like someone that you're just like, yes, yes, it'll
Speaker 1: be good. Just calm, just come calm. I guess what
Speaker 1: we're saying is that you can come back any damny
Speaker 1: damn time. Well you really have been rushing me off,
Speaker 1: especially Dug out there. Well, Doug, actually the thing is
Speaker 1: like he thought he was the only one with a
Speaker 1: weapon and I have a very large weapon. We're maxing
Speaker 1: out o'clock minutes. Yeah, but it's not like this isn't
Speaker 1: a normal I know, I know, I know, but I've
Speaker 1: been getting multiple text from Connor being like where are you?
Speaker 1: We gotta go, Okay, we got get around. Tell Connor
Speaker 1: that relationships are not everything stops I do every day. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this was an episode of Datie Bryant. Please
Speaker 1: watch Shrill, watch us now, please. It sounded like you
Speaker 1: were begging, please God watch Trill because it's a great
Speaker 1: fucking show and it's made with love. And I'm on it,
Speaker 1: like what what do you do you want? What do
Speaker 1: you want? Bears is on it. I also watch Shrill
Speaker 1: because and this is gross and whatever, but um, you
Speaker 1: know my Wikipedia says that I was on Shrill and
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, boot stop it. Oh documentary, this is unreal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yes. What you don't know is that
Speaker 1: this this is the beginning of a documentary. It's called
Speaker 1: a Miss Americans. Did you guys talk about Yes we did.
Speaker 1: If we did, she has to go to dinner. She
Speaker 1: has dinner at Ostereo Lebucastere Leuca. You know. So here's
Speaker 1: actually one other thing about the podcast is it always
Speaker 1: ends with a song who one day, one night, Saturdays,
Speaker 1: all right online just by night time anytime, get me
Speaker 1: National American. That was like a remix nash up. Yeah bye,