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We have an amazing show for everybody today. 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: What do we have, Fristaul, Indeed we do. We got 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff for you. We got Tucker news, 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: we got Military Industrial Complex news, we got Cuomo news, 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: we got Hunter Biden news, all of that to get 23 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: into We also have Derek Thompson on, really thoughtful guy 24 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: writer at The Atlantic to talk about vaccine hesitancy and 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: what would actually work to get people vaccinated. Obviously super 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: important topic right now, but we wanted to start with 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: a big check in on the Biden administration. We're now 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: six months officially into that administration, and there are some 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: worrying signs, at least for them, of how the public 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: is perceiving their performance performance at this point. Let's start 31 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: with the mood of the country, measures of optimism, and 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: we can put this tear sheet up on the screen. 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: Measures of Americans optimism about the country's direction over the 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: next year have dropped nearly twenty points since May. A 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: majority now fifty five percent of the public say that 36 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: they are pessimistic about the country. That is very, very 37 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: different from the basically one third of the country that 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: said that previously back in May. So you've had this 39 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: huge shift in terms of how Americans are feeling about 40 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: the direction of the country. We have more polls that 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: I want to bring you, but I want to pause 42 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: on that one soger to start with, because you know, 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: the obvious explanation here is that when Biden came into office, 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: there was this sense that we've gotten through the pandemic, 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: We've got the vaccines, it's over, like we've you know, 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: it's all over. But the shouting we're going to get 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: shots in arms, things are going to be reopened, and 48 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: a lot of that has been true. But now you 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: see the numbers spiking from the delta variant. You see 50 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: that we have sort of plateaued in terms of being 51 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: able to get more people vaccinated and significantly increase those percentages. 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: And so I do think that that is the context 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: for why there's a lot more nervousness now about the 54 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: direction of the country than there was previously. I do, 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about this in my radar, but I 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: personally think that they really have nobody but themselves to 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: blame and for a lot of this, which is that 58 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: they are not embracing that original mood of the country. 59 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: In many ways, they're almost clinging to some of those 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: old pandemic restrictions mindset's mass I'm talking about Fauci, But 61 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: that is actually what I think is contributing to that 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: alongside what we have is lackluster economic recovery, which is bifurcated, 63 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: but also just generally, what you can see here is 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: that the twenty six point drop, it's not partisan. It's 65 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: not that Republicans and Independents are the ones who are 66 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: feeling bad. It's literally everybody. Democrats, Republicans, and independence. Optimism 67 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: is uniformly down basically amongst all of the groups, at 68 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: least from a percentage point. And I think that that 69 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: matters because even though Biden has what here is a 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: sixty three percent approval on the pandemic. I remember whenever 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: we were talking a lot in twenty twenty about polls 72 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: before the election, one of the things that Trump people 73 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: would always point me to was do you still feel 74 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: like you were better off than you were four years ago? 75 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: And even at the height of the cases November October 76 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen, I like fifty five percent of people 77 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: were saying that, and they were saying that is a 78 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: good proxy for how people feel. And on the other hand, 79 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: this is the converse, which is that, yes, Biden might 80 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: have a high approval of the pandemic and more, but 81 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: if you have lack of optimism. Then you're just somebody 82 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: whose message doesn't seem necessarily like with the American people. 83 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: And I gotta say, Crystal, if I were to point 84 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: to a single number which could like presage Trump's not 85 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: reelection or a second election, if near whatever whatever his 86 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: second run may be, if he does want to run, 87 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: it's something like this. Yes, I think that Trump is 88 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: uniquely positioned as kind of this figure to talk about 89 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: lack of optimism, about character, about you know, make America 90 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: greade again. One of the interesting things was that keep 91 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: America Great never really resonated in the same way as 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: kind of like a reventist, revisionist message. And I mean, 93 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this number and I see people like 94 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: Kamala Harrison, Joe Biden, lackluster type of energy, lack of 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: optimism about the country's future. You can very quickly see 96 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,119 Speaker 1: how that could be not necessarily exploited, but how any 97 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: Republican or whatever that does meet of a more pessimistic 98 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: message might be able to rise up. Look, it's also 99 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: been only six months. We have three years and six 100 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: months to go, so you know, take all of that 101 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt. But I would say these 102 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: are probably if I'm the White House, this is what 103 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm freaking out, even more so than vaccine numbers right now. Well, 104 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: and he's his strongest numbers are still on handling of 105 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: the pandemic and the economic recovery. However, those numbers have 106 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: dropped significantly, so you see his handling of the pandemic, 107 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: he receives his lowest marks yet it's still at sixty 108 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: three percent approve, but it previously was up all the 109 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: way at seventy percent. On the economic recovery, he's similarly 110 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: seen a decline of about seven points. And you know, 111 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: those are the key metrics that were really boot boosting 112 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: and bolstering his approval rating. I'm gonna be key, not 113 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: just look, re election is a ways down the road. 114 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: We don't know if it's gonna be him or Comma 115 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: or maybe somebody else. But midterms, you know, are not 116 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: good usually for the party in power. You've got to 117 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: really buck the trends and have a president and a 118 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: party that's quite popular that's doing a lot for the 119 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: American people. And these numbers are continuing to slide as 120 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: delta surges. And the other thing that I would say 121 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: here is, you know, I mean in part it's a 122 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: honeymoan period. In part, there are things that are out 123 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: of his control. I really do think that there's only 124 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: so much you can do to persuade and cajole and 125 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: whatever the American public to get vaccinated. We have the 126 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: highest rates of vaccine skepticism of like any major country 127 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: outside of Russia. It's just sort of like ran And 128 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: there's nothing really that new about that strain in America. 129 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: So you can't pin it all on the Biden mistry. 130 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: It's all their fault. This is, you know, an old 131 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: sentiment within this country. But also during that time when 132 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: his approval ratings were a lot higher and when sense 133 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: of like how he's handling the economic recovery and coronavirus 134 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: from much higher, was also a time when he was 135 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: doing a lot more than he is, a lot more action. 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: You know, when the first payment, you got executive orders, 137 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: we're doing the relief bill, we're getting the shots in 138 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: the arm. You hurt a lot more from the administration. 139 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Then they decided and look for the next thing, Let's 140 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 1: try to do the bipartisan infrastructure package. That thing seems 141 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: to be completely falling apart. You've got maybe a reconciliation bill. 142 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Still a lot of question marks there. So I also 143 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: think the other one simple thing is delta very and 144 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: a surging case. Numbers are rising, people are feeling a 145 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: little skittish about that. The other thing is they're just 146 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: not doing a whole leg of a lot at this point. No, 147 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: I agree, and I mean we said this from the beginning, 148 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: which is that after they passed that economic Recovery package, 149 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: then they started go looking ahead to the infrastructure package 150 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: and they started talking about reconciliation. I kind of knew 151 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: he was done whenever they said, yeah, that's September deadline. 152 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's gonna ye. It's not good. 153 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: I also got to get around to it four months away, 154 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: what is going on? And look in legislative time, that 155 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: actually isn't a lot. But Americans don't want to live 156 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: by legislative time. They want to live like the rest 157 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: of the country with actual time. And that's the problem. 158 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: And you can actually see amongst independents, he is really 159 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: beginning to tread water. So our friend Ryan Gooderski, he 160 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: actually tweeted this out from the same pole. Let's put 161 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,119 Speaker 1: it up there on the screen so you can actually 162 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: see exactly there on the sliding scale. Now, don't take 163 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: the partisan number seriously, always look at the independent number. 164 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: So sixty two percent of independence, they support their Biden 165 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: response to COVID nineteen. Okay, that's good as long as 166 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: that's the top. Fifty four percent support the withdrawal of 167 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: US trips from Afghanistan. Okay, good, forty nine percent right 168 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: there at the economic recovery that is very precarious. Then 169 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: crime thirty nine percent, gun violence thirty four percent, and 170 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: immigration thirty five percent. So basically underwater on every single 171 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: important issue in the election except for the response to 172 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan 173 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: and Crystal. What I would bet more than anything is 174 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: that a year and a half from now, November of 175 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, that the response to COVID nineteen is 176 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: basically going to be a more not a forgotten issue 177 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: numbers necessarily, but like a number three issue. And I 178 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: would bet I would go all in for economic recovery. 179 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: I think crime, no matter what you want to say, 180 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: is going to be a big issue because the Republicans 181 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: are going to make it an issue. And I do 182 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: think you know, given rising crime rates, there has to 183 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: be a big debate in the country and immigration, especially 184 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: if they have to remove the CDC guidance on which 185 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: they're not allowing adult male will mostly not allowing adult 186 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: male migrants into the country. When you start to see 187 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: flood of like single aged adult males, you know, come 188 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: across the border and they can no longer use that, well, 189 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: then you know we're coming right back to it. So 190 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: I look at this chart and I can extrapolate generally 191 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: into the future, and I would say this is very 192 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: not good for the White House and especially for the 193 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: Democrats whenever it comes that election. One thing that we've 194 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: become polarized. Another thing that I think we've become polarized 195 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: is even what p people rate as their most important issues. 196 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: So if you look at Republican voters, they will tell 197 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: you already that immigration and crime are some of their 198 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: top issues at this point. And when you think about 199 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: a and that may never be the case for Democrats 200 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: ultimately in the midterm election, I mean, they're going to 201 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: vote in a partisan way. Republicans are also going to 202 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: vote in a partisan way. So mostly what you have 203 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: to think about is what's the turnout going to be. 204 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: And so if you have an issue that you know 205 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: is very emotionally animating, which the issue of immigration definitely is, 206 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: especially for the Republican base, that can be very fertile 207 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: ground for the Republican Party for the midterm election because 208 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: it's all about how jazzed up and freaked down, angry, 209 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: whatever can you get your base to get them to 210 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: go to the polls. So on the Republican side, I 211 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: see very clearly you know where the sort of energy 212 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: and animating force is going to come from to turn 213 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: their voters out. On the Democratic side, it feels a 214 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: little bit like twenty ten, which is when I ran 215 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: for Congress. A great timing on my part, and there 216 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: just was not a lot of energy on the Democratic 217 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: side to show back up to the pulse. It was 218 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: the same sense of mission accomplished. We got Barack Obama 219 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: into office, pat ourselves on the back. We've you know, 220 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: vanquished those battled Republicans. Back then it was George W. Bush. 221 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: Now it's Donald J. Trump, and so we can go 222 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: back to brunch and we don't really need to worry 223 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: too much about this whole like organizing and voting thing. 224 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: I feel a lot of that energy right now. There 225 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: are similar amounts of like apathy on the Democratic side 226 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: and agitated, you know, anxious anger, all of that energy 227 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: which turns people onto the polls on the Republican side. 228 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: I do want to pause on that withdrawal from Afghanistan number, 229 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: because I do think it's really worth celebrating, frankly that 230 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: even with the media's overwhelming push to convince Americans that 231 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: it was a disaster to take troops down of Afghanistan, 232 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: in fact, the women and the children and the Taliban 233 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: and terared whatever that this is a terrible idea and 234 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: bringing out you know, John Bolton or whoever to tell 235 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: you that we should be there forever. Still, even with 236 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: that overwhelming sigh up that the media has been conducting 237 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: on Americans for twenty frigin years now, Americans are still like, 238 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: we want the hell out. President did a good job 239 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: on that. And I also think that there's something to 240 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: be said for the fact that of all the policy 241 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: issues that are out there at the moment, that's the 242 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: one where Biden has been the most clear and the strongest. 243 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: That's true, and people like respect that as a leader, 244 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: and when they're looking especially you know, for someone to 245 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: follow in some guidance of what direction when you're really 246 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: clear and you're really strong, No, we're getting out. This 247 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: was what we went in to do. We did that. 248 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: We've been their way too long. I don't care what 249 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: you say. We're out here. People do sort of respect that. 250 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: So the fact that you have a majority fifty five percent, 251 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: in spite of that media eye up still saying that 252 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: we should be getting out of Afghanistan. I do find 253 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: that rather encouraging. Absolutely. On the other hand, it took 254 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: twenty years and many Republicans still switch the moment that 255 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: Biden Oh absolutely so yeah, and Democrats switch the other way. Right, 256 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: So I'm looking for the blackest pill I can find. 257 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: Look at the same time saying, you know, tracking with 258 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: the poles. This one also caught my eye and vein 259 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: of the six month check in. Let's put this up 260 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: there on the screen, which is that the Gallup tracker notoriously. Look, 261 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: you could think what you want about Gallup. It was 262 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: actually okay ish during the Trump years, but it's some 263 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: of the daily tracking pole. So it is important. He 264 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: just hit the lowest approval rating that he's had to 265 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: date since he was in office, it still remains at 266 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: fifty percent, though it's down six points then whenever they 267 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: took it, just not that long ago. So I think 268 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: that the important thing there is that what you generally 269 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: see in the numbers is everybody's like, yeah, Biden's do 270 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: doing a good job with COVID. But then you look 271 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: at the economy and they're like, no, no no, no, I like, 272 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm fifty to fifty. The Republicans are split the Democrat 273 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, the independences are like, yeah, I'm not one 274 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: hundred percent sure. Then you look at some of the 275 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: other issues, it's the same thing. On the infrastructure package, 276 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: they don't really see a lot of people just don't 277 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: get it. They're like, I don't understand why it takes 278 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: so long, fair, I don't understand. Yeah, And you said 279 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: this once, which is infrastructure isn't cash and pockets. It's 280 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: cash to contractors, and then contracts have to go and 281 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: build stuff. You don't really see it one hundred percent 282 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: and may not necessarily impact your life in exactly the 283 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: same way until the end result comes, right, Like we 284 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: all love the highway system after the highway is built, 285 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: but before that, you're like, I don't really know what 286 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm missing, So that's part of it. And generally what 287 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: you just see is, I think this lackluster feeling of 288 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: what's next, which is that Biden came in, you have 289 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: this executive order, and they passed COVID stimulus bill and 290 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: then they're like, okay, now reconciliation and Americans are like, 291 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: I don't really know what's that word? What parliamentarian? What 292 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: is that? Why is it taking so long? And what 293 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: about all these other issues that we were going to 294 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: talk about? Also, you know, I can't hire somebody, or I, 295 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, don't have any money, or oh, actually unemployment 296 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,239 Speaker 1: benefits or aspiring in September? What's up with that fiction moratorium? 297 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: People have really pressing issues before their lives, and there's 298 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: not a real sense I think that Washington is doing 299 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: anything about it, but there's no sense of urgency. Yeah, 300 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: and that lack of urgency or at least focusing on 301 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: the pandemic. This is another thing, which is that if you' vaccinated, 302 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: the pandemic is over for you. And so for half 303 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: adults in the country, people are like, Okay, it's great 304 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: that you're focusing on the pandemic, but I've got all 305 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: these other problems that are happening. I did want to 306 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: do one caveat which we both love the story from Politico, 307 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: which is that, you know, we just talked about polls. 308 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: Pollsters were recently surveyed, and a poll of polster says 309 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: it is impossible to say why the twenty twenty polls 310 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: were so wrong. So anytime you hear about polls, take 311 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: that with a great big grade of solt. Well, and 312 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: as we look towards the mint terms, literally take whatever 313 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: the polls are saying the Republican performance will be and 314 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: add four points to it, I mean, maybe more honestly 315 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: literally that was they were off by an average four 316 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: and a half percentage points at the national level. The 317 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: state level was even worse. They were off by over 318 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: five points. And by the way, this wasn't just a 319 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Trump effect. In fact, the Senate and governor's races they 320 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: were off by an even bigger margin of six points. 321 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: This was the worst performance for polsters in forty years, 322 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: okay forty years. So whatever the polls ultimately say about 323 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: which direction the midterms are going in, et cetera, add 324 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: four to the Republican performance, and then you might be 325 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: in the ballpark. You know, probably add five, maybe add six, 326 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: but definitely give the Republicans more points than the Polsters 327 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: are given them credit for, because the best theory that 328 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: they can come up with, and I think the best 329 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: theory that we've been able to come up with, is 330 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: not just that Republicans are less likely to answer polsters, 331 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: but also that resistance liberals are super eager to answer 332 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: loster on the phone, and maybe especially during the pandemic, 333 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: when they're stuck at home, they're available, they're able to 334 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: answer the phones, etc. So actually, I think there may 335 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: have been an effect on both ends of that. The 336 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: last thing that I'll say about Biden is there was 337 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: a minute when it seemed like maybe they had learned 338 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: some of the lessons of the Obama era, that this 339 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: fetishizing of bipartisanship and like doing everything you can, bending 340 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: over backwards to try to get two Republicans on board, 341 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: that ultimately what they really should have done is actually 342 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: do the right policy so that people felt the effect, 343 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: so that you had the economic recovery that you really 344 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: needed at that point that wasn't anemic in lackluster. It 345 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: felt for a minute like maybe there were some people 346 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: in the room that kind of got that. Now there's 347 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: been a complete reversion to the mean. They're back to 348 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: this old nineties era Bill Clinton thinking that says essentially, 349 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: the less you do for people, like the less waves 350 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: that you make, the more likely they are to come 351 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: out and vote for you. And I think we're seeing 352 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: in real time the folly of that type of put aside, 353 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: what's you know, whether the policy's good, bad, or indifferent, 354 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: the folly of thinking that politically the right thing to 355 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: do is to not deliver for people. Bottom line is 356 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: good policy makes for good politics. If you're putting money 357 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: in people's pockets, if you're creating jobs. I mean, if 358 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: you did a big infrastructure push, not this like measly 359 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: thing that they're contemplating with Republicans, which still which actually 360 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: seems like it's on the verge of falling apart, that 361 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: could create a lot of jobs, that could really juice 362 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: the economic recovery. That can make sure that you know, 363 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: everything was humming going into the midterm elections, twiddling your 364 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: thumbs and hoping that Lindsey Graham or whoever is going 365 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: to support your bill. Nobody cares about that. No one 366 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: cares the process by which it gets done. They just 367 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: care about how it ultimately gets done. And so I 368 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: think that old like Quagmire thinking from the nineties and 369 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: the two thousands has come back. It's feeling more and 370 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: more like the Obama eeron. It feels more and more 371 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: like we're heading into a twenty ten kind of a rest. Yeah, 372 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: I mean basically going shot for shot what happened with Obamacare. 373 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. I don't know if it'll take 374 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: necessarily as long as Obamacare did, which famously passed what 375 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: was it, like Christmas or whatever back in late night 376 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: December vote. It may take until September, October. Really have 377 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: no idea, but whatever it does, it does feel very, 378 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: very similar in terms of both the politics and the 379 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: eventual outcome. So I would be scared if I were 380 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: them speaking of, you know, slavish devotion to the national 381 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: security state. Indeed, I just got some more money, some 382 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: great bipartisan love going on in DC. This is incredible. Okay, 383 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: throw this tear sheet up on the screen. So, in 384 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: an almost unanimous vote, Republicans and Democrats came together in 385 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: a closed door markup of the annual defense budget and 386 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: decided that yeah, you know, the Biden administration, they asked 387 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: for seven hundred and fifteen billion. We're gonna go ahead 388 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: and bump that up. We actually wanted to be seven 389 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: hundred and forty billion, and again past almost unanimously twenty 390 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: five to one. In this committee hearing. Elizabeth Warren was 391 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: the single loan vote against this. And I mean, this 392 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: is incredible for any number of reasons. First of all, 393 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: in this political story, you gotta love this, they say. 394 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: On Thursday, centers from both parties touted the investments that 395 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: this bill with their additional funding that they just went 396 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: ahead and put in here that that bill would make 397 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: in weapons programs and installations in their states. The final 398 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: bill authorizes seven hundred and seventy eight billion in total 399 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: for national defense programs and boost funding for major weapons systems. 400 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: So again I want you to note that language. They're 401 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: not touting how essential this money is to like protect 402 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: and defend the United States. They're touting it because of 403 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: what it's going to mean in terms of military installations 404 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: and investments, which you should read as like more money 405 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: to defense guyractors essentially, So they're not even really pretending 406 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: this is about national defense and making sure that we're 407 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: all safe for any of that. It's also just incredible, 408 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, the type of things that get complete bipartisan support, 409 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: and also the type of things that you have to 410 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: pay for, and the type of things that they're just 411 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: dying to throw more money at. We're in the midst 412 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: of this huge debate about the Reconciliation Bill and the 413 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: Infrastructure Package, and the way that Conservatives are trying to 414 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: whittle that down is by attacking the pay force and 415 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: demanding that every penny in that Infrastructure package and Reconciliation 416 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: Bill is ultimately paid for, every single penny. And you know, 417 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to defense spending, they're like, twenty five bill, 418 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: and we want to give you a little more. This 419 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: wasn't enough. Well let's throw you a few more billion here, 420 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: which is actually in violation of what the bid. And 421 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: this is the key to the story, which is the headline, 422 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: is the Senate Democrats defied Biden in their vote to 423 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: boost Pentagon spending and it wasn't even close. And as 424 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: you point out, the extra money is going towards the 425 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: F thirty five program, a, you know, one of the 426 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: gigantic boondoggles of the twenty first century. And pretty much 427 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: a shining example of why the military industrial complex not 428 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: only costs more money but is actually worse at its 429 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: job than it was in like nineteen fifty nine or 430 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty or whatever whenever Eisenhower was giving that speech. 431 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: At least those planes actually prove flew pretty well. These 432 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: apparently don't, which sets one part of it which always 433 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: drives me nuts. We're paying more for technology which is worse, 434 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: and it is actually less safe for the people who 435 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: have to climb into these planes. All that being said, 436 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: you look at what's happening here, and it is very 437 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: indicative around where bipartisanship converges and if this was something 438 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: principled around like look, we're gonna do this because there's 439 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: one particular program, or you know, we're coming out of Afghanistan. 440 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: We need to plus up in order to modern and 441 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: be like, Okay, you know, I'm all here with men 442 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: and women are raised, you know, and just to make 443 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: sure they've got the right of healthcare raise. Yes. Actually, 444 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: our current healthcare system for them, Pentagon, I think costs 445 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five billion. And there's anybody who's 446 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: ever worked with the VA knows dodn't work that well, 447 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of question USAA better GI benefits. 448 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: I'd be one hundred percent for all of that, but 449 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: that's not what's happening here. The plus up, as you 450 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: point out, was also driven by a lot of people 451 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: who are up for reelection. So Mark Kelly is one 452 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 1: of those people, former naval aviator. He said the budget 453 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: build up was needed to meet military requirements that didn't 454 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: make the spending request and those military requirements more. Of course, 455 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: he's from Arizona, where because of John McCain and all 456 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: of that, there is a lot of military spending in 457 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: the state of Arizona. Tim Kaine was the same one. 458 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: He's like, well, we need it, you know, because they 459 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: want to build a new Navy destroyer. The Navy's had 460 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: their eyes on the destroyer for a long time. It's 461 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: a pretty controversial program even within the Navy. Well, Norfolk Virginia, right, 462 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of jobs and 463 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff down there. And he happens to 464 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: be a senior Armed Services Democrat who represents the ship 465 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: building heavy state, and he says that the Pentagon needs 466 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: more buying power, and so they can say that that 467 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: actually is one of the better things. You'll love this too, 468 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: which is that he says that the Pentagon and will 469 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: have better buying power because Biden halted the Trump administration 470 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: effort to stunt billions from the border wall under military. 471 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: So he's like, we can use all this new money 472 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: to buy more shipbuilding materials, which will all come to Virginia. 473 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: It's a scramble. Money wasn't enough, you need more money 474 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: on top, and so the money all gets you know, appropriated, 475 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: and really what it is, it's a scramble in order 476 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: to use control of the Senate and of Congress in 477 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: order to distribute funds to their states. And whenever it's 478 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: so really what it is, you know, it's like a 479 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: patronage game. And whenever you're locked into this mindset, whenever 480 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: you change, whenever you change chambers, everyone's just gonna keep 481 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: going up and up and up to get more stuff 482 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: in their districts and more. And the main point I 483 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: want to say is you can be for the US 484 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: military and even a good modern fighting force and recognize 485 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: that the current way that we fund that fighting force 486 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: is insane in terms of the amount of dollars per 487 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: what we actually get. I remember looking at this thing 488 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: about these new navy ships which are radar defeat and 489 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: all of this, but it costs like a million dollars 490 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: around in order to fire their new guns. What kind 491 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: of you what is that? How did this happen? And 492 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: it was like, well, we were gonna build twenty six 493 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: and then we only build three. And the guns really, uh, 494 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: the gun is really modern and cool, and so it 495 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: can't you know, you can't change apparently the ammo or 496 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: whatever the fire. So it costs a million dollars round. 497 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: You're like, what I mean you think this is useful 498 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: in terms of fighting a war or in terms of production, 499 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: in terms of keeping people safe. The boondoggles of the 500 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: post Iraq age on this would blow people's minds in 501 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: terms of what we have spent on Iraq. On Afghanistan, 502 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: I remember there was one story we spent a couple 503 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars building like one gas station in Afghanistan. 504 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, the Taliban controls it now, 505 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: so awesome. Or power stations and the same thing, trying 506 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: to build, you know, and bring power, and now the 507 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: Taliban charges people for the power there. That we felt 508 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: it's just there's so many stories. There's also a great 509 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: point to that, which is like, you know, when we 510 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, of course, and 511 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: the politicians, oh, we got a significant we gotta up 512 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: the defense budget massively. You know, nobody even questions that. 513 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: Of course the Bush administration pioneered, like we're not going 514 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: to pay for that. There are not gonna be any 515 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: additional taxes. Nobody's going to feel any pain from the 516 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: fact that we're having this massive explosion in the military budget. 517 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: But it's not like once you leave those places they 518 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: bring it back down, like it only ever goes up. 519 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: We're leaving Afghanistan, and yet they're still like, ah, we 520 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: need more more, not just more year over year. But 521 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: like Biden increased the budget, but it wasn't it wasn't enough. 522 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: The rate of growth wasn't fast enough for us. And 523 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, it is just a patronage game, like 524 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: you shouldn't look at this as having anything to do 525 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: with care for our servicemen and women certainly or protecting 526 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: our national defense. It is a patronage game, and it's 527 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: one that you know you're going to be able to 528 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: get bipartisan support on So if you're trying to funnel 529 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: money to your district for political reasons, this is the 530 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: surest and easiest path to do it. So it creates 531 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: its own logic and its own momentum, and it's very, 532 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: very hard to stop. I don't think that there's any 533 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: way to get around having that like patronage situation as 534 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: part of our politics. I would just like the patronage 535 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: to go towards something that's not war making, that's, like, 536 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, has actual benefits to the citizens of the country, 537 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: not just making new war machines for the sake of 538 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: making new war machines. So that would be something that 539 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: I was interested in. But just incredible to see bipartisanship 540 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: in action here at the beltwegh. Hey, So remember how 541 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: we told you how awesome premium membership was. Well, here 542 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: we are again to remind you that becoming a premium 543 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: member means you don't have to listen to our constant 544 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: please for you to subscribe. So what are you waiting for? 545 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: Become a premium member today by going to Breakingpoints dot com, 546 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: which you can click on in the show notes. Speaking 547 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: of you know, Slavish devotion toy the national security state. Indeed, 548 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I just got some more money, some great bipartisan love 549 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: going on in DC. This is incredible. Okay, throw this 550 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: tair sheet up on the screen. So, in an almost 551 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: unanimous vote, Republicans and Democrats came together in a closed 552 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: door markup of the annual defense budget and decided that, yeah, 553 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, the Biden administration they asked for seven hundred 554 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: and fifteen billion, We're going to go ahead and bump 555 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: that up. We actually wanted to be seven hundred and 556 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: forty billion. And again past almost unanimously twenty five to one. 557 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: In this committee hearing. Elizabeth Warren was the single loan 558 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: vote against this. And I mean, this is incredible for 559 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: any number of reasons. First of all, in this Politico story, 560 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: you gotta love this, they say on Thursday, centers from 561 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: both parties touted the investments that this bill with their 562 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: additional funding, that they just went ahead and put in 563 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: here that that bill would make in weapons programs and 564 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: installations in their states. The final bill authorizes seven hundred 565 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: and seventy eight billion in total for national defense programs 566 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: and boost funding for major weapons systems. So again I 567 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: want you to note that language. They're not touting how 568 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: essential this money is to like protect and defend the 569 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: United States. They're touting it because of what it's going 570 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: to mean in terms of military installations and investments, which 571 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: you should read as like more money to defense contractors essentially, 572 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: so they're not even really pretending this is about national 573 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: defense and making sure that we're all safe for any 574 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: of that. It's also just incredible, you know, the type 575 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: of things that get complete bipartisan support, and also the 576 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: type of things that you have to pay for and 577 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: the type of things that they're just dying to throw 578 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: more money at. We're in the midst of this huge 579 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: debate about the Reconciliation Bill and the Infrastructure Package, and 580 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: the way that conservatives are trying to whittle that down 581 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: is by attacking the pay force and demanding that every 582 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: penny in that Infrastructure package and Reconciliation Bill is ultimately 583 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: paid for, every single penny. And you know, when it 584 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: comes to defense spending, they're like, twenty five bill, and 585 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: we want to give you a little more. This wasn't enough. Well, 586 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: let's throw you a few more billion here, which is 587 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: actually in violation of what the Bible. And this is 588 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: The key to the story, which is the headline, is 589 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: the Senate Democrats defied Biden in their vote to boost 590 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: Pentagon spending and it wasn't even close. And as you 591 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: point out, the extra money is going towards the F 592 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: thirty five program, a you know, one of the gigantic 593 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: boondoggles of the twenty first century and pretty much a 594 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: shining example of why the military industrial complex not only 595 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: costs more money but is actually worse at its job 596 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: than it was in like nineteen fifty nine or nineteen 597 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: sixty or whatever. Whenever Eisenhower was giving that speech. At 598 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: least those planes actually proved flew pretty well. These apparently don't, 599 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: which sets one part of it which always drives me nuts. 600 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: We're paying more for technology which is worse, and it 601 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: is actually less safe for the people who have to 602 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: climb into these planes. All that being said, you look 603 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: at what's happening here, and it is very indicative around 604 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: where bipartisanship converges. And if this was something principled around like, look, 605 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna do this because there's one particular program, or 606 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're coming out of Afghanistan, we need to 607 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: plus up in order to modern and be like, okay, 608 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: you all here with men and women are raised, you know, 609 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: and just to make sure they've got the right healthcare raise. Yes, Actually, 610 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: our current healthcare system for them Pentagon, I think, costs 611 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five billion, and as anybody who's 612 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: ever worked with the VA knows, doesn't work that well. 613 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of question USAA better GI benefits. 614 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: I'd be one hundred percent for all of that, but 615 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: that's not what's happening here. The plus up, as you 616 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: point out, was also driven by a lot of people 617 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: who are up for reelection. So Mark Kelly is one 618 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 1: of those people, former naval aviator. He said the budget 619 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: build up was needed to meet military requirements that didn't 620 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: make the spending request, and those military requirements more. Of course, 621 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: he's from Arizona, where because of John McCain and all 622 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: of that, there is a lot of military spending in 623 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: the state of Arizona. Tim Kaine was the same one. 624 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 1: He's like, well, we need it, you know, because they 625 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: want to build a new Navy destroyer. The Navy's had 626 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: their eyes on the destroyer for a long time. It's 627 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: a pretty controversial program even within the Navy well Norfolk, Virginia. Right, 628 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of jobs and a lot of stuff 629 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: down there. And he happens to be a senior Armed 630 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: Services Democrat who represents the ship building heavy state, and 631 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: he says that the Pentagon needs more buying power, and 632 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: so they can say that that actually is one of 633 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: the better things. You'll love this too, which is that 634 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: he says that the Pentagon and will have a better 635 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: buying power because Biden halted the Trump administration effort to 636 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: stunt billions from the border wall under military. So it's like, 637 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: we can use all this new money to buy more 638 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: shipbuilding materials. It will all come to Virginia. It's a scramble. 639 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: Money wasn't enough, you need more money on top, and 640 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: so the money all gets you know, appropriated, and really 641 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: what it is, it's a scramble in order to use 642 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: control of the Senate and of Congress in order to 643 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: distribute funds to their states. And whenever it's so really 644 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: what it is, you know, it's like a patronage game. 645 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: And whenever you're locked into this mindset, whenever you change, 646 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: whenever you change chambers, everyone's just going to keep going 647 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: up and up and up to get more stuff in 648 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: their districts and more. And the main point I want 649 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: to say is you can be for the US military 650 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: and even a good modern fighting force and recognize that 651 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: the current way that we fund that fighting force is 652 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: insane in terms of the amount of dollars per what 653 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: we actually get. I remember looking at this thing about 654 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: these new Navy ships which are radar defeat and all this, 655 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: but it costs like a million dollars around in order 656 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: to fire their new guns. What kind of you? What 657 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: is that? How did this happen? And it was like, well, 658 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: we were gonna build twenty six and then we only 659 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: build three. And the gun's really uh, the gun is 660 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: really modern and cool, and so you can't you know, 661 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: you can't change apparently the AMMO or whatever there. So 662 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: it costs a million dollars around. You're like, what I 663 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: mean you think this is useful in terms of fighting 664 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: a war or in terms of production, in terms of 665 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: keeping people safe. The boondoggles of the post Iraq age 666 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: on this would blow people's minds in terms of what 667 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: we have spent on Iraq, on Afghanistan. I remember there's 668 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: one story we spent a couple hundred million dollars building 669 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: like one gas station in Afghanistan. Oh and by the way, 670 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: the Taliban controls it now, so awesome. Or power stations 671 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: in the same thing, trying to build, you know, and 672 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: bring power, and now the Taliban charges people for the 673 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: power there that we will. It's just there's so many stories. 674 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: There's also a great point to that, which is like, 675 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, when we go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, 676 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: of course, and the politicians say, oh, we got a 677 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: significant we gotta up the defense budget massively. You know, 678 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: nobody even questions that. Of course, in the Bush administration 679 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: pioneered like we're not going to pay for that. There 680 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: are not gonna be any additional taxes. Nobody's gonna feel 681 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: any pain from the fact that we're having this massive 682 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: explosion in the military budget. But it's not like once 683 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: you leave those places they bring it back down, like 684 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: it only ever goes up. We're leaving Afghanistan, and yet 685 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: there's still like, ah, we need more more, not just 686 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: more year over year, but like Biden increased the budget, 687 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: but it wasn't it wasn't enough. The rate of growth 688 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: wasn't fast enough for us. And you're absolutely right It 689 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: is just a patronage game. Like you shouldn't look at 690 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: this as having anything to do with care for our 691 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: servicemen and women certainly or protecting our national defense. It 692 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: is a patronage game, and it's one that you know 693 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: you're going to be able to get bipartisan support on. 694 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: So if you're trying to funnel money to your district 695 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,879 Speaker 1: for political reasons, this is the surest and easiest path 696 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: to do it. So it creates its own logic and 697 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: its own momentum, and it's very, very hard to stop. 698 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any way to get around 699 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: having that like patronage situation as part of our politics. 700 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: I would just like the patronage to go towards something 701 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: that's not war making, that's, like, you know, has actual 702 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: benefits to the citizens of the country, not just making 703 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: new war machines for the sake of making new war machines. 704 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: So that would be something that I was interested in. 705 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: But just incredible to see bipartisanship in action here at 706 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: the Beltway. Oh and speaking of patronage, I'm very on 707 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: my transition. You are, there's segueyes down today I do. 708 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: And this is a really, really troubling story all jokes aside, 709 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: which is that you guys, remember we covered a lot 710 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: of this on Rising all the way back April and 711 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: May of twenty twenty. Something was going on in New 712 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: York State with Governor Cuomo and nursing homes essexually. The 713 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: order was to nursing homes so they had to accept 714 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: patients who had coronavirus. What ended up happening is that 715 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: accepting many of these patients, and which had to do 716 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: with funding and scheme which will outline and we'll get 717 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: to it, led to mass out breaks within these nursing 718 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: homes which were the epicenter of the virus and the 719 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: number of deaths. For many years, thousands and thousands of 720 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: elderly people in New York State died. Then there was 721 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: an investigation by the Justice Department. The Feds asked for numbers. 722 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: Coomo and his team explicitly hid what those actual numbers 723 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: were in order to a help their book sales for 724 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: their new book they were writing, and b they didn't 725 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: want the Trump administration to expose the data which showed 726 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: that they were responsible for thousands and thousands of elderly deaths. 727 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: And I don't want to say that it's their fault 728 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: necessarily in that they look, there was a lot going on. 729 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: They didn't necessarily know what they were doing. But if 730 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: you are responsible for a decision, you should say, I 731 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: take responsibility for this decision. I was a leader. I 732 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 1: messed up. And there's a lot of funding though questions 733 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: as to why exactly none of that happened, and an 734 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: investigation by the Justice Department was started, and many others 735 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: were looking into this. New York Attorney General all of that. Well, 736 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: the Justice Department informed just informed Steve Scalise. Now this 737 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: is all according to Janisteine. She's works at Fox News Channel, 738 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: but she actually had a family member who died in 739 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: one of these nursing homes. She's been a major activist 740 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: against all of this. She released this letter a state 741 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: of July twenty thirty, twenty twenty one. So let's put 742 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: the letter up there on the screen, which is that 743 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: the DOJ has told Congressman Scalise that they are ending 744 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: the investor. They were dropping the nursing home investigations in 745 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: all states, including New York. Now, look, it is important 746 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: to say this isn't the only investigation, but the nursing 747 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: home investigation, which was being spearheaded by the Civil Rights 748 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,959 Speaker 1: Division and more was something that a lot of the 749 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: families of those who had nursing home or had debts 750 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: in nursing homes and more were hoping could uncover more 751 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: information because it wasn't just in New York State. It 752 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: was Pennsylvania, Michigan, and New Jersey. And there's a lot 753 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: of questions. I think at the very basics, we need 754 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: a good investigation into how did this happen because look, 755 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: like you said, we were delta varian maybe another pandemic. 756 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: We should avoid these types of things, and it's just 757 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: very sad in order to see the families really just 758 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: left out in the cold. And look, there has to 759 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: be a question here of was there political interference? I mean, 760 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: this is being dropped under the Biden Department of Justice, 761 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: who signed off on this. The letter itself was written 762 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: by the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, who overseen by political appointees. 763 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: All of the Department of Justice at the very very 764 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: top are people who are appointed by the president. So 765 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: that's another big question that comes here. But overall, I 766 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: think you can generally say this is a miscarriage of 767 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: justice in my opinion, for many of the people who 768 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,800 Speaker 1: lost a lot of loved ones in those nursing Yeah. 769 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: So the Department of Justice, they were looking into a 770 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: civil rights investigation, and in the letter they specified that 771 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Division has authority under the Civil Rights 772 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 1: of Institutionalized Persons Act to investigate allegations about a pattern 773 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: or practice of unlawful conditions in certain residential institutions that 774 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: includes nursing facilities. And I think this whole investigation, the 775 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: closing of the investigation, the way this handles shows the 776 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: way that political blinders ruin everything. The Trump Justice Department 777 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: department appears to have gone about this in a political fashion. 778 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: They only targeted blue states with democratic governors, so New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, 779 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: and New Jersey Cuomo and Whitmer of course being primary 780 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: sort of political targets of the Trump administration, and then 781 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: the Biden administration comes along and does the exact opposite 782 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: thing in what certainly appears to be a very political way. 783 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: The reason that this is significant because as you mentioned, 784 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: there are other investigations going on, in particular at the 785 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: state level. Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York, 786 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: who is a Democrat and seems to be taking this 787 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: investigation into the Cuoma administration very seriously. That is ongoing. 788 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: You also, but you have FBI and federal prosecutors in 789 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: Brooklyn trying to determine whether the state intentionally manipulated nursing 790 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: home death data. You also have an investigation going on 791 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: from Letitia James again into those sexual harassment allegations against Cuomo. 792 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: Impeachment proceedings are on the table, so it's not like 793 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: he's out of the woods. The reason why this is 794 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: significant is because there's a lower standard for damages in 795 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,399 Speaker 1: these civil rights investigations than would be required under criminal law, 796 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: so you had a better shot at getting some actual compensation, 797 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: some actual damage is awarded out of the civil rights probe. 798 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: Now that avenue is closed, that avenue for justice is 799 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: now permanently closed. So that's why this is such a 800 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 1: significant deal. And by the way, while I was researching 801 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 1: this the scandals, there was a period when we were 802 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: rising where it was like every day it seemed like 803 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: there was a new piece of completely damning information coming out, 804 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: whether it was the sexual harassment, sexual assault allegations, or 805 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: the revelations about the way that his family members, including 806 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: his brother, got VIP treatment for COVID testing, with their 807 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 1: results hand done and ushered to the testing lab at 808 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: a time when New Yorkers couldn't get tested at all. 809 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: So all of those allegations kept coming out. Well, they 810 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: have continued to come out. So now there's a huge 811 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: disparity between the number of COVID deaths not just in 812 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,399 Speaker 1: nursing homes but overall in the state of New York 813 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: that the state is reporting versus the CDC and the 814 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 1: federal government are saying. So according to the Cuomo administration, 815 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: there have been a total of forty three thousand COVID 816 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: debts in that state. According to the federal government of 817 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: the CDC that number is fifty three thousand. So disparity 818 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: of more than ten thousand lives looks very much like again, 819 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: just as he was cooking the books with the nursing 820 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: home deaths that the Kuomo administration, all the things that 821 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, Trump and De Santis and whatever were accused 822 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: of doing, it looks like they were doing They actually 823 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: did it. And there's again no media coverage. This investigation 824 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: is dropped. The whole thing that he wanted from the 825 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: beginning was for the media temperature to cool down, for 826 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: everyone to stop paying attention so that he could just 827 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: sort of slide by. You were called Joe Biden gave 828 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: him basically exactly what he wanted and sort of said, 829 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: let's take the time and see where these investigations go 830 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: and play out. And now this absolute scandal is going 831 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: under the radar with very very little attention out of 832 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 1: like you know, local New York state media. Yeah, I 833 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,759 Speaker 1: really do think it is a total like miscarriage on 834 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: what has happened here. And you can see, which is 835 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: that the money shot is what you pointed to. The 836 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: state data differs from the federal data, and you know 837 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 1: what was it. Leticia James even told us back in 838 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: January that the investigation that they had found that nursing 839 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: home data had been undercounted by as much as fifty percent. Yes, 840 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: at the height of the pendant fifty percent. So maybe 841 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: the state investigation and more will continue. Maybe, you know, 842 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: Leticia James does seem like a very serious individual who 843 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: takes you know, her job seriously and has moved forward 844 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: and you know, with a lot of integrity, I think, 845 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: on many different things. So we'll see, but I you know, 846 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: in general, the FEDS are the ones that could actually 847 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,800 Speaker 1: make this happen. And if Biden department wanted to actually 848 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: show some real independence going after people who really did 849 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: screw up in COVID, there is just no objective way. 850 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: And you can say that Andrew Kuom was not chief 851 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: among some of the worst actors here, and that he 852 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: has worked tirelessly to shield his reputation the media, Chris 853 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: Cuomo all of that, and then in general he gets 854 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: a free pass, and I think that's wrong. And Andrew 855 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: Cuomo was a long time ally of Joe Biden. You know, 856 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: they had a close relationship. Biden went and spoke for 857 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: him when he had a tough primary battle in all 858 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: of that. So they've had each other's backs for a 859 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: long time, and I guess they're going to continue to 860 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: have each other's backs. That's right, all right, speaking of 861 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: Biden correcrash backs, Biden corruption, all of that. Okay, this transition. 862 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: Loved this one. So Hunter Hunter, just the guy who 863 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: cannot quit. We brought you previously in many many different ways. 864 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: You can take that for a lot of ways that 865 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: you want. Hunter Biden, we brought you previously. The story 866 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: around his art sales. And the reason why this matters. 867 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,760 Speaker 1: Hunter has taken up art after a stint in rehab. 868 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: You know, God bless him. I hope it works. I 869 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: hear it does, you know wondrous from many people in therapy, 870 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: et cetera. Well, the problem is Hunter wants to sell 871 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: that art for a lot of money. This poses ethics 872 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: problems for the White House. So the White House is 873 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: stepped in and what they came up with was this 874 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: Kakammi scheme in which the buyers of Hunter's art will 875 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: remain anonymous to the public and ostensibly, according to them, 876 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: anonymous to the President and the First Lady and the 877 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: first family. So the theory was is that yes, even 878 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: though Hunter could receive you know, well upwards of a 879 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: million dollars for some of his art, that it wouldn't 880 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: matter because they would remain completely anonymous, and therefore there 881 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,240 Speaker 1: could be no corruption, no prit quo quo. Well, now, 882 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: because Hunter and the Biden family once again are in 883 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: charge of setting their own ethics problems, our ethics regulations, Hunter, 884 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: let's put this up on the screen, is poised to 885 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: meet with the buyers. So Hunter is expected to meet 886 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: with potential art buyers from for the anonymous sale, So 887 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: this raises a lot of questions around whether he's anonymous. Also, 888 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: the whole point was that it would be ridiculous to 889 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: assume that some sort of favoritism could not be at 890 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: least implied if you're gonna pay the president's son up 891 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: to five hundred thousand dollars for a single piece of 892 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: art and then have the president's son not mentioned that 893 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,879 Speaker 1: to the president. So what we have a situation here 894 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 1: is that the buyers will remain anonymous to you, to me, 895 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,520 Speaker 1: to the media, but will not be anonymous to Hunter. 896 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: Biden himself the recipient of large sums of money for 897 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: his art, and who's gonna stop Hunter from telling his dad? 898 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,360 Speaker 1: This is blatant and outright conditions for corruption. Walter Shaub, 899 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: who was the budget sorry, the ethics guy under Obama, 900 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,239 Speaker 1: has been blasting Hunter and the White House for this, 901 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: and he was a longtime resistance figure. So don't you know, 902 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: expect any special treatment necessarily whenever it comes to the 903 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: Biden administration. And it's pretty much just the most like 904 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: flagrant violation here of real ethical norms I've ever seen. 905 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: If they look. Hunter is an American citizen, and I 906 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,879 Speaker 1: guess at the end of the day, he can't sell 907 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,959 Speaker 1: his art if he wants to. But if we want 908 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,439 Speaker 1: real transparency, release the goddamn names. And when the names 909 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 1: come out, maybe it's some sketchy Russian guy. And if 910 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: his pipeline gets some special treatment, in three years, we're 911 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,839 Speaker 1: going to say, hey, you got some special treatment after 912 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: he bought Hunter's art. But now we the public and 913 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 1: the media don't get to know. But Hunter does get 914 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: to know who's buying his art. And that is just 915 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,439 Speaker 1: the shadiest arrangement I've ever seen in my life. Well, 916 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,400 Speaker 1: and this isn't hard to figure out what you should do. 917 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: You should disclose everything, make it all transparent. Instead, they 918 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: tried to go in the opposite direction of like, oh, 919 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna know, and now we find out. I mean, 920 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 1: let's be clear. This is a direct contradiction of what 921 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 1: the public was initially told how this was all going 922 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: to unfold. When Jensaki got asked about this, she said, 923 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: and I quote, I think it would be challenging for 924 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 1: an anonymous person who we don't know and Hunter, butten 925 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: doesn't know to have influence, so that's a protection. Well, now, 926 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden is going to know. So this supposed protection, 927 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: which was always weird from the start and perplexing, why 928 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: not just make it all transparent so that journalists can 929 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,280 Speaker 1: do their job and look into like, Okay, this person 930 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,759 Speaker 1: gave Hunter money, did they get any special favors from 931 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 1: the government that would be the obvious directions. Did you 932 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,399 Speaker 1: went in this weird like, no, we're going to cloak 933 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: it all in secrecy. And now we find that even 934 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: that was not true at all, like not accurate at 935 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: all for what is actually going to happen here with 936 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,320 Speaker 1: Hunter meeting these people. Yeah, I mean it's an obvious 937 00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: pathway to corruption. Walter Shab who you mentioned. What he 938 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: said is that were essentially outsourcing government ethics to some 939 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,160 Speaker 1: random art gallery owner, who, by the way, has some 940 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to pick on this. I've 941 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 1: known nothing about him. He does have like kind of 942 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: a criminal couple things on his criminal record and whatever. 943 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Look, we shouldn't be relying on any one 944 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,160 Speaker 1: individual to make sure that the government is acting in 945 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,919 Speaker 1: an ethical way, especially someone who's unelected and completely unaccountable. 946 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: So you have that layer, and then Shab said, is 947 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden going to walk around this art show with 948 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: a blindfold on. It just goes to show you the 949 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 1: focus is not on government ethics. The focus is showing 950 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: the child of a president can cash in on the presidency. Again, 951 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,360 Speaker 1: this dude was the head of the Office of Government 952 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,279 Speaker 1: Ethics during the Obama administration, So this isn't some like 953 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: weird right wing guy. And look, the Trump administration was 954 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,320 Speaker 1: disgusting in terms of corruption and ethics and cashing in 955 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: on them, and they continue to. We just saw a 956 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 1: story his super pack is taken in like seventy five 957 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: million dollars and hasn't paid a penny of it towards 958 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,759 Speaker 1: the stuff that he promised, the election reforms that he 959 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: promised that he would engage in. So it's all a 960 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: grift and a scam. Over there, Biden comes in and says, 961 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to be different. I'm going to restore the 962 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,839 Speaker 1: soul of America. We're gonna we are going to go 963 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,320 Speaker 1: in a different drug. We're going to have the strongest 964 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: ethics regulations in place that anyone's seen. And immediately you 965 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: saw that that was only ever sort of you know, 966 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: very surface level. They put in these restrictions like you're 967 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,000 Speaker 1: not allowed to work in the administration if you'd been 968 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: a lobby as well. If you're a registered lobby, sure, 969 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 1: but if you've been a consultant doing almost exactly the 970 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: same thing, no problem. We want to try to make 971 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: neurotandin the head of who's going to get these ethics waivers, 972 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 1: like on every single item. They haven't conducted business in 973 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: any different way from how any other corrupt administration has 974 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: conducted business. So this whole idea that they were going 975 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: to be completely above board and it was going to 976 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: be transport parent, You're gonna be able to feel good 977 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 1: about government again, that is clearly out the window. And 978 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: this is just like the most sort of potent shining 979 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: example of how they fallen from that ideal. I think 980 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: that's that's it. It's very basic, and you know, you know, 981 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: for all of the talk it has just been return 982 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: of normal. You talked about, you know, the lobby Steve Roschetti, 983 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: who the deputy chief of staff at the White House, 984 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: his brother is raking in millions of dollars and the 985 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 1: guy has the gall his brother who owns a lobbying 986 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: for firm that Rashetti used to co own. He says, 987 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,240 Speaker 1: quote I do not lobby my brother. I just lobby 988 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,880 Speaker 1: all the people who work for him, and we're around him. 989 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 1: Oh okay, I mean, you know, taking a call from 990 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: the boss's brother. That's definitely not a conflict. He's getting 991 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: much from Amazon now. The form contracts have jumped way up. 992 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,759 Speaker 1: Wait you think that's just an accident. Yeah it no, 993 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: you're right, Christal, it's fucked freaking philanthropy. Okay, yeah, that's yeah, 994 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,400 Speaker 1: everybody can it's philanthropy. Right. There's this Raschetti guy. You know, 995 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 1: he's just such a nice guy. You have to We're 996 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,000 Speaker 1: just gonna pay him. You know, he dropped his game 997 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,000 Speaker 1: mare Trump era. It's a meritocracy. That's what this whole 998 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,080 Speaker 1: thing is about. It. Look, this is all fake, which 999 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,000 Speaker 1: is that you have to admit that this is wrong. 1000 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,160 Speaker 1: And the problem that we have is that people selectively 1001 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: care about this stuff whenever it's Biden and whether it's Trump. 1002 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: It was gross whenever Trump had a hotel literally here 1003 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,959 Speaker 1: in d C. Which foreign diplomats used to brag about, 1004 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 1: and then they were like show of going and staying 1005 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 1: at I've said that before. The worst part of the 1006 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: Ukraine call to me is when Zelenski is like we 1007 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 1: stayed Trump missed the Prison Great Hotel and it was 1008 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,440 Speaker 1: ew Man Gross. And then you know the Saudi's and 1009 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: the Amarads that I'll throw their big Christmas parties. I mean, 1010 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,080 Speaker 1: these people are more money than God. They know exactly 1011 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: what to do. And then Jared and his brother the 1012 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,399 Speaker 1: Kushner company hawking visas to Chinese elites in China, Ivanga 1013 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,120 Speaker 1: and Nordstrom. I remember when Trump once tweeted about Ivanka's 1014 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,240 Speaker 1: nords from brand from the Potus account, and I remember 1015 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 1: just being like, is this a joke? Like what is this? 1016 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,359 Speaker 1: It's the most repulsive thing, and we've normalized it so 1017 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,240 Speaker 1: that then everybody just fights about it amongst themselves instead 1018 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: of being able to just say, hey, this is shady 1019 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: as hell and it should stop. By the way, I 1020 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,080 Speaker 1: have a book recommendation. I recently read a book about art. 1021 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: It's called Boom the Rise of the Contemporary Art Markets 1022 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 1: a couple of times. The reason with this is important 1023 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,680 Speaker 1: is art is no longer about art the art market. 1024 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: It is about a way for billionaires to store wealth 1025 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,919 Speaker 1: in these warehouses in Switzerland where they never even see 1026 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: the art. It just stays in this vault because the 1027 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,640 Speaker 1: moment it leaves a vault, they have to pay taxes 1028 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, they don't even display it. It is 1029 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 1: one of the most notorious ways in order to launder 1030 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 1: money and in order to keep money tax free. So 1031 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: that is the world which Hunter is now engaging in. 1032 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: It is one of the dirtiest industries on the entire planet, 1033 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: and any banking regulator can tell you that. I was 1034 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,280 Speaker 1: going to say, the money laundering in the art industry 1035 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: is really right, because if you have dirty money and 1036 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: you need clean it, you need some store of value. 1037 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,520 Speaker 1: The great thing about art is like, who's to say 1038 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,680 Speaker 1: what it's worth? So you can pay these exorbitant prices 1039 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,920 Speaker 1: for it that really aren't justified. Were based on the 1040 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 1: merit of the art or whatever, But nobody's going to 1041 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: blink an eye because it's all so incredibly subjective. So 1042 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,080 Speaker 1: that's what makes it an ideal vehicle for money laundering. 1043 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 1: That's right. Wow, you guys must really like listening to 1044 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 1: our voices. Well, I know this is annoying. Instead of 1045 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,120 Speaker 1: making you listen to a Viagri commercial. When you're done, 1046 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: check out the other podcast I do with Marshall Costsoff 1047 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,000 Speaker 1: called The Realignment we talk a lot about the deeper 1048 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 1: issues that are changing, realigning in American society. You always 1049 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 1: need more crystal and soagur in your daily lives. Take 1050 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,240 Speaker 1: care guys, all right, sire? What are you looking at? Well, 1051 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,239 Speaker 1: many months ago, before vaccines were widely available and poll 1052 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,040 Speaker 1: showed how much of the USP population was vaccine hesitant, 1053 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: I warned on rising one of the primary drivers of 1054 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,239 Speaker 1: anti vac sentiment, where the public health authorities themselves, who 1055 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,360 Speaker 1: in February and March were constantly vacillating on whether pandemic 1056 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: restrictions could be lifted if you got vaccinated, till I 1057 00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,960 Speaker 1: was blue in the face. I said, the primary incentive 1058 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,800 Speaker 1: for getting vaccinated is quote unquote going back to normal. 1059 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: If you still have to wear a mask and stay 1060 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: locked down, what was the point of getting vaccinated in 1061 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,840 Speaker 1: the first place. The hall monitor instinct of many of 1062 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,959 Speaker 1: these authorities waned slightly as people got vaccinated and just said, 1063 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: screw it, this thing is over. People started living their lives, 1064 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 1: going on vacation, going to bars and more. But now 1065 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,840 Speaker 1: with the rising number of delta variant cases, it seems 1066 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,279 Speaker 1: like the whole world has lost their damn mind again. 1067 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,240 Speaker 1: Media hysteria crossed the stock market for a day. White 1068 00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,720 Speaker 1: House's Facebook is killing people. Fox News is apparently also 1069 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,680 Speaker 1: killing people, even though Black Americans are the least likely 1070 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: of a population to get vaccinated. Los Angeles County is 1071 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,720 Speaker 1: bringing back indoor mask mandates, even though that's against CDC guidance. 1072 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: The mass panic set by the media is slow rolling 1073 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,080 Speaker 1: us back to more pandemic restrictions at a time when 1074 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,440 Speaker 1: they could not be worse for up actual public health outcome. 1075 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 1: Take a look at this from The New York Times. 1076 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 1: The top story yesterday on their website was quote as 1077 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: cases rise amongst and vaccinated, US, cities wrestle with mask mandates. 1078 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 1: Within the story, it acknowledges that vaccines protect you from 1079 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: the worst outcomes of COVID and that those who are 1080 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,920 Speaker 1: unvaccinated are the primary ones at risk of death. And 1081 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 1: yet again and again we see the media fight to 1082 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: reimpose mask mandates and pandemic restrictions, effectively lobbying the CDC 1083 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,560 Speaker 1: to reverse their guidance on mass Worst of all, they 1084 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: have now one of the most cynical actors on their 1085 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 1: side in this crisis, doctor Anthony Founci, who had this 1086 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,560 Speaker 1: to say, about bringing back mask mandates. Health officials in 1087 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,760 Speaker 1: places like Los Angeles County, which is one of the 1088 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: first that came out and said, regardless of what broader 1089 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,720 Speaker 1: recommendations are, we feel the better part of valor is 1090 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 1: that we have so much infection going on with this 1091 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 1: delta variant that it's prudent even for those people who 1092 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,479 Speaker 1: have been vaccinated to wear masks. And I think we're 1093 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,880 Speaker 1: seeing and we'll see more and more of that, because 1094 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,200 Speaker 1: we certainly are seeing a surge in cases with a 1095 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: delta varian which is now dominating in this country eighty 1096 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,720 Speaker 1: three percent, and in some places in the country it's 1097 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: as high as ninety percent. It may sound reasonable, but 1098 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: it is not at all effectively. What Fauchi is saying 1099 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 1: is this, it's understandable for local authorities who are seeing 1100 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: high levels of community spread in low vaccinated areas to 1101 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: bring back mask mandates. This actually makes zero sense because 1102 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,680 Speaker 1: it reinforces the canard that many unvaccinated point to that 1103 00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 1: they truly do not believe pandemic restrictions will ever be 1104 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: lifted whether they get vaccinated or not. Reimposing mask mandates, 1105 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: and god forbid any sort of lockdown situation in the 1106 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 1: winter will send the message that vaccination didn't really change 1107 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,400 Speaker 1: anything and will only harden those who may be on 1108 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: the fence about getting vaccinated in the first place. The 1109 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: message to get vaxed to those on the fence is 1110 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,400 Speaker 1: really simple. If you get this, you will not die 1111 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,160 Speaker 1: from COVID and there will be no pandemic restrictions. But 1112 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: even worse, this sends a terrible message to those who 1113 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 1: are on the fence about getting the vaccine in the 1114 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,280 Speaker 1: first place. Millions of people lined up to get their 1115 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,560 Speaker 1: shot with the promise that you get the shot, and 1116 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: this is over. Asking vaccinated Americans to wear masks now 1117 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,880 Speaker 1: and even to lock down in the future is asking 1118 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,960 Speaker 1: them to have more regard for the health of the 1119 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: unvaccinated than they have for themselves. At this point, the 1120 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,000 Speaker 1: vaccine is free and widely available. If you want it, 1121 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,520 Speaker 1: you can get it, and if you don't, that's okay. 1122 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: You made your choice. All of us will live with that. 1123 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: Bringing back punitive measures to punish everyone is both unfair 1124 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,440 Speaker 1: and counterproductive. Something that has driven me crazy about this 1125 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,400 Speaker 1: entire discussion is watching the elites of this country try 1126 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,840 Speaker 1: to start a blame game instead of actually trying to 1127 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,920 Speaker 1: fix the problem. Shan't miss Robian. He put this particularly 1128 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 1: well quote. All of the people trying frantically to figure 1129 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 1: out how to get people to take the vaccine are 1130 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,760 Speaker 1: literally the same people who built their entire careers by 1131 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 1: alienating half of the country from every major societal institution. 1132 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 1: That's it exactly. Take a very close look at the 1133 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Americans who aren't yet vaccinated. The most authoritative profile that 1134 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 1: I've seen so far is from the Kaiser Family Foundation. 1135 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 1: Now take a look at this poll. Kaiser distinguishes the 1136 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,919 Speaker 1: unvaccinated into two categories, those who are definitely not those 1137 01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,360 Speaker 1: who are in a weight and see group. Of the 1138 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,600 Speaker 1: weight and C group aka is still persuadable are. They 1139 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 1: are more likely to be black, Hispanic split politically, most 1140 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 1: likely to have a high school degree, and nearly forty 1141 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 1: three percent of them are likely to make less than 1142 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,760 Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars a year. In other words, these are 1143 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,280 Speaker 1: working class people, the people who are hit hardest by 1144 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 1: pandemic restrictions, the people who lost their jobs, the people 1145 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 1: who had the worst time with the American healthcare system. 1146 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 1: Who are not ruling out vaccine simply saying they want 1147 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,680 Speaker 1: to see in things to wait and see how things 1148 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,919 Speaker 1: work out, instead of bringing back mandates and lockdowns, which 1149 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,160 Speaker 1: will only hurt them again. The key is to have 1150 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,280 Speaker 1: voices who they trust telling them about getting vaccinated, even 1151 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,640 Speaker 1: just a nationwide PSA of a bunch of people who 1152 01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,440 Speaker 1: are on the fence explaining why they were and then 1153 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 1: talking about how they got the shot and how they 1154 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 1: feel great. But doing such work would be acknowledging a 1155 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,600 Speaker 1: central truth. Those who are not getting vaccinated hate the 1156 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 1: people in charge of getting people vaccinated. Those people, because 1157 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,520 Speaker 1: they are vain, would rather bring back policy that punishes 1158 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,000 Speaker 1: everyone and keeps their control rather than actually reaching out 1159 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: to the groups on the fence and acknowledging their own failings. Look, 1160 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: I hope I am dead wrong about all these warnings, 1161 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,240 Speaker 1: but something is in the air and we should stand 1162 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: up against it if we actually want to help public 1163 01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,680 Speaker 1: health in this country. And Christal actually a friend of mine, 1164 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Flagh this for me. One more thing, I promise. Just 1165 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,600 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure you knew about my podcast with 1166 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal, Kyle and Friends, where we 1167 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,000 Speaker 1: do long form interviews with people like Noam Chomsky, Cornell West, 1168 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,560 Speaker 1: and Glenn Greenwald. You can listen on any podcast platform, 1169 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,160 Speaker 1: or you can subscribe over on substack to get the 1170 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: video a day early. We're going to stop bugging you now. Enjoy, 1171 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,960 Speaker 1: all right, Chrystal, what are you taking a look at? Well? 1172 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,920 Speaker 1: You will be shocked to learn that trusted media relevant 1173 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 1: to what we've been talking about has fallen to a 1174 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 1: new all time low. Majority of Americans now say they 1175 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,360 Speaker 1: do not trust mainstream news. Details here also pretty revealing. 1176 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,080 Speaker 1: In particular, fifty eight percent, so almost sixty percent think 1177 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,400 Speaker 1: that most news organizations are more concerned with supporting an 1178 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 1: ideology or political position than with informing the public. Gee, 1179 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: wonder why they think that. Well, let's take a look 1180 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,320 Speaker 1: at what that bedrock of democracy, cable news, has been 1181 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: up to recently. Over at CNN, over the past week 1182 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: or so, they broke the bombshell news that Ron De 1183 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 1: Santis's pack is selling don't Fauchi my Florida merchandise. They 1184 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,040 Speaker 1: had on the illustrious John Bolton to call Donald Trump 1185 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 1: a fascist. They covered updates to the Subway sandwich menu, 1186 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,960 Speaker 1: and Trump's former doctor getting upset with reporters. Over on MSNBC, 1187 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,320 Speaker 1: they dug into how awesome by an advisor ron klain Is. 1188 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,439 Speaker 1: They also talked about the debate over the term LATINX, 1189 01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 1: the presence of a literal white privileged card on some 1190 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,440 Speaker 1: accused would be bomber, and also the DeSantis don't vauchi 1191 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,680 Speaker 1: my Florida merchandise. Fox News they had on a teacher 1192 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,040 Speaker 1: who believes critical resories dangerous. Tucker mocked a new pregnant 1193 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 1: man emoji. Apparently they covered AOC selling tax the rich 1194 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,480 Speaker 1: t shirts, and they did their own segment on DeSantis's 1195 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,360 Speaker 1: don't fauchi my Florida merchandise, because of course they did. 1196 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,760 Speaker 1: Now I want you to think about this. These networks 1197 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 1: spend millions on hosts, on reporters, on sets, on producers, 1198 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,440 Speaker 1: and this is what they choose to do with those resources. 1199 01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:02,280 Speaker 1: War criminals and invented culture and uncritical Biden standing and 1200 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,280 Speaker 1: Trump derangement and AOC arrangement and apparently Rhonda Santist arrangement 1201 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,479 Speaker 1: as well. But even more telling is what you will 1202 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,600 Speaker 1: not find on any of these networks. So, as we've 1203 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,680 Speaker 1: covered multiple times here, eleven hundred miners are on strike 1204 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 1: right now in Alabama. Those miners have now been on 1205 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: strike for nearly four months. In what is truly historic action. 1206 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,320 Speaker 1: In fact, it is the first widespread minor strike in 1207 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,600 Speaker 1: four decades, pretty noteworthy, especially given the number of workers involved, 1208 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: the fact that some of the picketers have been intentionally 1209 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,720 Speaker 1: struck by cars, and because also the involvement of major 1210 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:44,680 Speaker 1: private equity players. And yet not one of these networks 1211 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 1: has uttered a single solitary word about this strike over 1212 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,440 Speaker 1: these many weeks and months. Not the supposedly unbiased CNN, 1213 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,520 Speaker 1: not the supposedly progressive MSNBC, whose workers are actually attempting 1214 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,120 Speaker 1: to unionize right now as we see speak, Not these 1215 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,959 Speaker 1: supposedly pro working class Fox News. In fact, the news 1216 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,760 Speaker 1: media writ large they don't really pretend to care about 1217 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,640 Speaker 1: unions or labor in general much anymore at all. Back 1218 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,880 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, when the New York Times labor reporter 1219 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Stephen Greenhouse took a buy on at that time, it 1220 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,720 Speaker 1: left the Wall Street Journal as the only remaining large 1221 01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,880 Speaker 1: paper with a dedicated labor reporter. That means that the 1222 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: historic teachers strike wave dramatically undercovered, that the current strike 1223 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,400 Speaker 1: at Freedo Lay gets almost no coverage, That the Team 1224 01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Stars efforts to unionize Amazon also get next to no attention. 1225 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,800 Speaker 1: So if you can't see these battles, then you don't 1226 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 1: know that other workers are struggling, waves that you might 1227 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,160 Speaker 1: also be struggling. You might not know that having a 1228 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,520 Speaker 1: union does give you the option at least to fight 1229 01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,120 Speaker 1: back the workers who are bravely fighting for more, they're 1230 01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,400 Speaker 1: left to do so on their own, without the benefit 1231 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,680 Speaker 1: of any public pressure on their greedy corporate overlords. Here's 1232 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: another good example of what the media chooses to cover 1233 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:23,440 Speaker 1: and chooses to ignore. Wow, so you may well have 1234 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,080 Speaker 1: seen that viral video of a shoplifter brazenly filling a 1235 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,760 Speaker 1: bag in a San Francisco Walgreens while the store security 1236 01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,120 Speaker 1: guard looks on recording a video shocking scene for sure. 1237 01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,200 Speaker 1: This man was later arrested by the way. Well, while 1238 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,919 Speaker 1: there was wall to wall sharing and no fewer than 1239 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,720 Speaker 1: three hundred and nine articles written about this one shoplifting incident, 1240 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,360 Speaker 1: there was not a single mainstream article about a much 1241 01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,760 Speaker 1: larger heist. Walgreens was forced into a four and a 1242 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,880 Speaker 1: half million dollar settlement in a class action lawsuit filed 1243 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 1: against them by their workers who alleged to the company 1244 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,960 Speaker 1: was stealing their wages. You can see that here. According 1245 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,600 Speaker 1: to fair. These workers said that Walgreens rounded down employees' 1246 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,280 Speaker 1: hours on their time cards, required employees to pass their 1247 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,040 Speaker 1: security checks before it after their shift without compensating them 1248 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,000 Speaker 1: for time worked, and failed to pay premium wages to 1249 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,560 Speaker 1: employees who were denied legally required meal brakes. You tell 1250 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,120 Speaker 1: me which is the bigger story more likely to impact 1251 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,920 Speaker 1: your life, One man's brazen crime spree or Corporate America's 1252 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,360 Speaker 1: brazen robbery of millions of American workers to the tune 1253 01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:33,280 Speaker 1: of literally billions of dollars every single year. But of course, 1254 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,160 Speaker 1: that story's more complicated would actually challenge some of the 1255 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: media's advertisers, their donors, their subscribers. Better to punch down 1256 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,920 Speaker 1: or do a culture war? Bring on a war criminal 1257 01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,720 Speaker 1: to a pine on a corrupt buffoon. Got one more 1258 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 1: for you here. You may recall that the entire city 1259 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,080 Speaker 1: of Flint, Michigan was poisoned in a truly horrifying act 1260 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,000 Speaker 1: that was compounded by a criminal cover up. Intrepid Jordan 1261 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 1: Tariton and Jen Dyes they just uncovered new bombshell evidence 1262 01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,200 Speaker 1: of that cover up. Phones and key players involved in 1263 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 1: the crime and the were wiped clean of messages and 1264 01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,200 Speaker 1: other data before investigators had a chance to glean exactly 1265 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:10,400 Speaker 1: who knew what and what one would think that somebody 1266 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,600 Speaker 1: in establishment media might care about this critical new piece 1267 01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:18,200 Speaker 1: of information. For understanding how exactly again an entire American 1268 01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 1: city was poisoned, you won't be surprised to learn. However, 1269 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,599 Speaker 1: we heard not a peep. They were too busy reviewing 1270 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 1: T shirt prices for their dsantis fauci merchandise. Folks, I 1271 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,200 Speaker 1: am afraid I've come to the conclusion that there is 1272 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,200 Speaker 1: no rescuing or reforming the media. Your contempt for them 1273 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,000 Speaker 1: is one hundred percent merited. Cable news in particular, it 1274 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:42,080 Speaker 1: just combines the worst of capitalism with reality shows with corruption, 1275 01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,160 Speaker 1: and is truly just a cancer on the nation. But 1276 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,760 Speaker 1: I do have a little bit of good news. It's 1277 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,360 Speaker 1: also kind of a house of cards could collapse at 1278 01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,280 Speaker 1: any moment, to be honest with you, not just from 1279 01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,839 Speaker 1: their ratings collapse, which of course I do love to see. 1280 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,680 Speaker 1: But a new study shows that the ads that are 1281 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,120 Speaker 1: the lifeblood of this bloodless media are completely ineffective. All 1282 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,680 Speaker 1: these people paying us sell viagra and gold bars or 1283 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,880 Speaker 1: whatever between cable news rage panels, they are wasting their 1284 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,599 Speaker 1: money eighty percent of the brands that they studied were 1285 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,759 Speaker 1: actually losing money by placing ads on television. That means 1286 01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,640 Speaker 1: that the whole healthscape economic structure underlying all of this 1287 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,360 Speaker 1: medium has already crumbled players involved, they just don't know 1288 01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: it yet. So, in conclusion, cable news is a scam 1289 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:31,080 Speaker 1: programming model resting atop a scam revenue model, busterressed by 1290 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,519 Speaker 1: a scam political dialogue. And we will all be better 1291 01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,839 Speaker 1: off when the whole dishonest gig is up. Isn't amazing 1292 01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,639 Speaker 1: that not one segment on the minor strike Freedomly We've 1293 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,320 Speaker 1: got a great guest standing by it's the Atlantic Stare Thompson. 1294 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,280 Speaker 1: Let's get to it. Yeah. Can I put in a 1295 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,120 Speaker 1: word about the history of advertising as attention merchants? Go ahead? 1296 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,600 Speaker 1: I love that book, and my favorite anecdotes from that 1297 01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:01,080 Speaker 1: book is that the concepts of advertising supported media was 1298 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,840 Speaker 1: invented in the United States by Benjamin Day, who is 1299 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the founder of the New York Sun. And Benjamin Day 1300 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,160 Speaker 1: is the father of the penny paper. Right, so before 1301 01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,599 Speaker 1: the penny paper, I guess papers cost like six cents, 1302 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,640 Speaker 1: which is a lot in the eighteen twenties, and he 1303 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,920 Speaker 1: said no, no, what I'm gonna do is I'm going 1304 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,960 Speaker 1: to price the paper below it actually costs. I'm going 1305 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,640 Speaker 1: to sell it at a loss. But then I'm going 1306 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,599 Speaker 1: to sell the audience that I captured at a loss 1307 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,040 Speaker 1: as its own product to advertisers. So he creates this 1308 01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,320 Speaker 1: sort of dual business model where you get both subscription revenue, 1309 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,000 Speaker 1: the pennies that you pay for the papers, and the advertisement. 1310 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:34,000 Speaker 1: Within one year, he was running a nine part, sixteen 1311 01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,040 Speaker 1: thousand word series on Men on the Moon. So it 1312 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:42,480 Speaker 1: took about three hundred days between the invention of advertising 1313 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,600 Speaker 1: in American media and the invention of fake news in 1314 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,360 Speaker 1: American media, which goes kind of show that once your 1315 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 1: job is to essentially just sell audience as a product, 1316 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,960 Speaker 1: you're not beholden to any sort of truth. You're only 1317 01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:02,439 Speaker 1: beholden to the north star of maximum audience. And fiction 1318 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:07,439 Speaker 1: outsales nonfiction everywhere, in outsells nonfiction. Course in outsales nonfiction, 1319 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,640 Speaker 1: in books, fiction outselles nonfiction. And so the minute that 1320 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 1: you introduce this business model, you introduce this tendency, this 1321 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:20,040 Speaker 1: this tank flazing tendency to become a fake news proprietor. Well, 1322 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,880 Speaker 1: and let's keep going on that theme because what happened 1323 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,680 Speaker 1: then is a lot of what those advertisements were were 1324 01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,160 Speaker 1: for what was called this patent medicine, which was just 1325 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,960 Speaker 1: pure snake oil quackery. And yet there were no there 1326 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:38,000 Speaker 1: was no like exposing of this industry because the news 1327 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,439 Speaker 1: media is in bed with them, depends on them for 1328 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,439 Speaker 1: advertising revenue. So it takes years and years for that 1329 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,680 Speaker 1: entire corrupt industry to ultimately be exposed. So you could 1330 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,840 Speaker 1: see directly, like the corrupting influence of when you're taking 1331 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,800 Speaker 1: money from actors who may be bad actors, the way 1332 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,000 Speaker 1: that it impacts your coverage. You may not lie about 1333 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,360 Speaker 1: it where you're just not going to talk about it. Yeah, 1334 01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,880 Speaker 1: in a way, that's actually it's interesting that you put 1335 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,800 Speaker 1: it like that. What you're doing is lying to your 1336 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,400 Speaker 1: readers so that you can sell them to advertisers who 1337 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,880 Speaker 1: will lie to your readers. Right, it is like this 1338 01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,680 Speaker 1: sort of double sandwich, this like you know, club sandwich 1339 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,519 Speaker 1: of lies that you're selling to your audience the news 1340 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,600 Speaker 1: is fiction in order to show them advertising that it 1341 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,680 Speaker 1: is also fiction. And Derek, you know, speaking of the 1342 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,640 Speaker 1: news media and how people influence are influencing all that 1343 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,040 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I want to have you on 1344 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,320 Speaker 1: given you know what's going on right now with the pandemic. 1345 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,519 Speaker 1: You wrote this great piece back in February. We talked 1346 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,320 Speaker 1: to you about it on Rising. Let's put it up 1347 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,200 Speaker 1: there on the screen around what exactly works to combating 1348 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,240 Speaker 1: vaccine refusal. So that was February, and I was curious. 1349 01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Now it's July twenty sixth and almost four months, five 1350 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,800 Speaker 1: months or whatever since you wrote that piece. What are 1351 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,639 Speaker 1: your thoughts about where we're at right now with delta 1352 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,760 Speaker 1: around vaccine hesitancy. We've got like forty nine percent of 1353 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,360 Speaker 1: the US adults who have not taken the vaccine. Where 1354 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,639 Speaker 1: what tactics do you think will work, so to speak, 1355 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,479 Speaker 1: in terms of getting more people vaccinated, both from the government, 1356 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,920 Speaker 1: the media, and more. I think it's really important when 1357 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,840 Speaker 1: talking about what works to get people who have been 1358 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,519 Speaker 1: on the sidelines off the sidelines, is to recognize that 1359 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 1: the population of people who have not yet gotten the vaccine, 1360 01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,000 Speaker 1: or from the perspective of February, had not yet gotten 1361 01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,439 Speaker 1: a vaccine is not just one group. It's really best 1362 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:25,960 Speaker 1: thought of as a constellation of groups. One of those 1363 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,040 Speaker 1: stars in the constellation is the anti VAXX group. These 1364 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,360 Speaker 1: are people who think that the vaccines are a conspiracy, 1365 01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 1: and that can range from like, you know, it's got 1366 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,000 Speaker 1: the micro chips from Bill Gates to I just don't 1367 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,880 Speaker 1: trustpick trauma and there's no way in hell that I'm 1368 01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 1: going to put this in my body. That's a pretty 1369 01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,599 Speaker 1: hard no. I'll bet you can nibble around the corners 1370 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,400 Speaker 1: of that, know, but you're not going to convert one 1371 01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,759 Speaker 1: hundred percent of the absolute anti vaxxers. And they're about 1372 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,280 Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the adult population, fifteen sixty percent. It's 1373 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,599 Speaker 1: going to be really, really difficult to get them, but 1374 01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: they're not the entire group. You also have what sometimes 1375 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,160 Speaker 1: call it the weight and See group. This is a Kaiser. 1376 01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,120 Speaker 1: When they do their really gold standard of a poll 1377 01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,559 Speaker 1: of the Novak's population, they call this the weight and See. 1378 01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,120 Speaker 1: And it's the weight and See where you've really seen progress. 1379 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 1: I think you've seen progress among the weight and See 1380 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,000 Speaker 1: category for two reasons. Number One, they have weighted and 1381 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,080 Speaker 1: they have seen that the vaccines work right. They don't 1382 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,600 Speaker 1: just work in the US. They don't just work in 1383 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,679 Speaker 1: states that are high vaccinated. They work in the UK. 1384 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,120 Speaker 1: Look at the difference between cases and deaths in the 1385 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,679 Speaker 1: UK dealing with the B one one seven variant. Look 1386 01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: at Israel, where deaths per day a fall into one two. 1387 01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,160 Speaker 1: I think on a seven day average, the vaccines clearly work, 1388 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,280 Speaker 1: not just in the clinical trials, but in the real 1389 01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,920 Speaker 1: world trials that we are all participants in. The other 1390 01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 1: reason why I think the Weight and See group has 1391 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 1: nudged a little bit more toward the vaccines isn't just 1392 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,519 Speaker 1: that they have seen that the vaccines work, but they've 1393 01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,640 Speaker 1: started to feel pressure around the cost benefit analysis that 1394 01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,200 Speaker 1: they're doing about these vaccines. So on the cost side, 1395 01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,000 Speaker 1: the cost of not getting a vaccine is higher in 1396 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,880 Speaker 1: the face of a variant like DELTA, right, so all 1397 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,479 Speaker 1: the news that we're seeing about Delta might be getting 1398 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,040 Speaker 1: people to move off the sidelines. And then the benefits side, 1399 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think you have a lot of media 1400 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,000 Speaker 1: that has consistently and truthfully extolled the benefits of these vaccines, 1401 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,200 Speaker 1: which don't just make it less likely you get infected, 1402 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,840 Speaker 1: but contingent on getting infected, make it less likely that 1403 01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,920 Speaker 1: you get severe illness, and then contingent upon getting a 1404 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,280 Speaker 1: severe illness, make it less likely that you die. So 1405 01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,439 Speaker 1: on the cost and benefits side. I think that's worked 1406 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:24,920 Speaker 1: really well too, and I think that, you know, we 1407 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,200 Speaker 1: need to just keep up the conversation. The last thing 1408 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,040 Speaker 1: that I think we should really think seriously about doing, 1409 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,240 Speaker 1: and this is starting to become really a theme in 1410 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,160 Speaker 1: the media that I consume at least, is we have 1411 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,760 Speaker 1: to move the FDA's ruling here from emergency authorization to 1412 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,000 Speaker 1: full approval. That's not only going to send a really 1413 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,519 Speaker 1: strong signal that the government believes in these vaccines as 1414 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,559 Speaker 1: much as they say they believe in the vaccines, but 1415 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,320 Speaker 1: also it's going to allow state and local governments to 1416 01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:53,519 Speaker 1: mandate vaccines foresay, teachers and cops. Why do you think, Derek, 1417 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,960 Speaker 1: that we have so many more vaccine hesitant people here 1418 01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:59,519 Speaker 1: than in most other developed countries around the world. I 1419 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 1: saw a stat that, like, only Russia has more vaccine 1420 01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,360 Speaker 1: hesitant people, And you know, my own speculation for what 1421 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 1: it's worth is number one, there's sort of just like 1422 01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,479 Speaker 1: something deep, deeply embedded in American culture that creates this 1423 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,760 Speaker 1: like climate of skepticism towards any sort of institution. But 1424 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, we had Michael Brennan Dougherty on from the 1425 01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:24,720 Speaker 1: National Review Conservative Dude, and he surprised me by effectively 1426 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,320 Speaker 1: making a case for universal HEALTHCAREY was like, I think 1427 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,200 Speaker 1: that part of why they have better uptake in the 1428 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,760 Speaker 1: UK is because they've got the National Health Service and 1429 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 1: so it's not profit driven thing. People have primary care physicians, 1430 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,160 Speaker 1: everybody is sort of in touch and contact in some 1431 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 1: way with the medical system. Do you think that there's 1432 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,760 Speaker 1: something to that. I think there's absolutely something to that. 1433 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:50,760 Speaker 1: I would twin Michael's explanation with your previous explanation and 1434 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,840 Speaker 1: say that they are both downstream of the same phenomenon, 1435 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,360 Speaker 1: which is to sort of slap a term on it. 1436 01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:05,200 Speaker 1: Reagunite individualism. Yeahite conservative neo libertarian individualism says a couple things. 1437 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,760 Speaker 1: It says, number one, you're all on your own, so 1438 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,679 Speaker 1: you should think all on your own. You shouldn't trust experts, 1439 01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,240 Speaker 1: you should do your own research. There's some truth to that. 1440 01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,600 Speaker 1: I love the idea of people thinking for themselves, but 1441 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,679 Speaker 1: if you take too much of that medicine, you start 1442 01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,599 Speaker 1: thinking that anyone who represents as an expert is wrong 1443 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,800 Speaker 1: by dint of their expertise, which is effing stupid. What 1444 01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,760 Speaker 1: also happens that is on stream of Reaganite libertarianism, conservatism, 1445 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 1: whatever I'm naming it. Individualism is that there's fear of 1446 01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,160 Speaker 1: government takeover. And because there's fear government takeover in any industry, 1447 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,640 Speaker 1: you don't have nationalized health care service. And because you 1448 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,639 Speaker 1: don't have nationalized health care service, you have more people 1449 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,640 Speaker 1: who live in pro caarity, and more people who live 1450 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,479 Speaker 1: in pro caarity nervous about a new vaccine treatment might 1451 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,759 Speaker 1: be less likely to want to experiment with that treatment, 1452 01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,240 Speaker 1: less likely to want to take time off of work, 1453 01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,719 Speaker 1: afraid they might get sick and don't have health care 1454 01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,280 Speaker 1: if they have a strong reaction to the fizer a 1455 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,240 Speaker 1: maderin a drug. So I think that both explanations are true, 1456 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:07,120 Speaker 1: and they are rivers downstream of the large tributary of 1457 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:11,360 Speaker 1: Reaganite individualism which is endemic in this country. I want 1458 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,600 Speaker 1: to get back to something you said about FDA I 1459 01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,960 Speaker 1: had heard. I imagine there's gonna be some pushback. We 1460 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,360 Speaker 1: have some people who are vaccine hesidant who listen or 1461 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,599 Speaker 1: who watch the show, and what they would say is, Derek, 1462 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,920 Speaker 1: are you saying put political pressure on the FDA in 1463 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,280 Speaker 1: order to incentivize people get vaccinated. Just go into why 1464 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,719 Speaker 1: it might send a good message and if it does 1465 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,679 Speaker 1: meet the requirements, like, is the FBA being too cautious? 1466 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,040 Speaker 1: What do you think about all that? Well, of course 1467 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,439 Speaker 1: there should be the requirements. Of course, the FDA should 1468 01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,720 Speaker 1: approve a drug if it meets or a treatment in 1469 01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,759 Speaker 1: this case, not a drug, approve a treatment that meets 1470 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:48,240 Speaker 1: the requirements of an approved treatment. Absolutely. At the same time, 1471 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,160 Speaker 1: I think that there's a bit of a mixed message 1472 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:57,680 Speaker 1: when every institution in America is telling people that these 1473 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:03,439 Speaker 1: vaccines work extremely well, except for the FDA, which is 1474 01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,160 Speaker 1: saying they are they are authorized and not approved only 1475 01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:12,680 Speaker 1: for emergency use. That's the EUA Emergency Use authorization. I 1476 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,200 Speaker 1: think that sends two messages to people. The first message 1477 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,400 Speaker 1: that it sends is that it's only authorized in an emergency. 1478 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,639 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of Americans who, in the last 1479 01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,040 Speaker 1: sixteen months, eighteen months, whatever it's been since the pandemic 1480 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:26,360 Speaker 1: started say, this pandemic was never an emergency for me. 1481 01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,519 Speaker 1: I basically lived my normal life, So why should I 1482 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,760 Speaker 1: take something that's only authorized in a scenario that I 1483 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,880 Speaker 1: don't actually buy into. And second, I just think it 1484 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,240 Speaker 1: makes it sound like there are still questions about this 1485 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,679 Speaker 1: vaccine and from what we've never seen a real world 1486 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,439 Speaker 1: trial of a treatment that has basically been administered hundreds 1487 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:50,160 Speaker 1: of millions of times in vastly diversed countries, I mean 1488 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:55,080 Speaker 1: all over the world. You see these mRNA vaccines being administered, 1489 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,479 Speaker 1: and immediately you see death's plummet to less than one 1490 01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,000 Speaker 1: in one million. The vaccine mean very clearly are doing 1491 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,400 Speaker 1: their job and ending the pandemic by the definition of 1492 01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,559 Speaker 1: bringing death permelion under one in one million. And so 1493 01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,040 Speaker 1: I think that it's I am eager for I am 1494 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:20,280 Speaker 1: anticipatory for the FDA to approve the vaccines officially because 1495 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,519 Speaker 1: I know it's going to happen. We all know it's 1496 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,600 Speaker 1: going to happen. And I think that it would accelerate 1497 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,519 Speaker 1: that vaccination uptake now if it happened sooner other than later. Yeah. 1498 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,680 Speaker 1: So the number that I've seen is that sixty eight 1499 01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,439 Speaker 1: point eight percent or somewhere thereabouts of adults have had 1500 01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,240 Speaker 1: at least one dose of a vaccine. And we know 1501 01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,880 Speaker 1: that having at least one dose does provide you with 1502 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:43,760 Speaker 1: significant protection. So what do we know about where her 1503 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,519 Speaker 1: immunity actually lies? Like, what's the number we need to hit? Yeah, 1504 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,400 Speaker 1: the reason that's such a difficult number to give. Is 1505 01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,840 Speaker 1: that the virus does not care about the national number. 1506 01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,559 Speaker 1: The virus only cares about what's around the virus. Right, virus, 1507 01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,000 Speaker 1: if I'm not vaccinated and my wife is sitting here 1508 01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,160 Speaker 1: and she's not vaccinated, the facts that seventy percent of 1509 01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:11,559 Speaker 1: Americans outside of this house are vaccinated has no interest 1510 01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,639 Speaker 1: to the virus passing between two vaccinated people. So that's 1511 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,240 Speaker 1: why you have a lot of people talking right now 1512 01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,879 Speaker 1: about a pandemic of the unvaccinated. For a variety of reasons, 1513 01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:23,880 Speaker 1: including Bill Bishop's theory of the big sort, Democrats tend 1514 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,719 Speaker 1: to live around democrats and Republicans tend to live around Republicans, 1515 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,000 Speaker 1: whore sorted by political ideology, and political ideology isn't the 1516 01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,680 Speaker 1: single variable that explains vaccine uptake, but it might be 1517 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,760 Speaker 1: the best variable that correlates with vaccine uptake. So if 1518 01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,160 Speaker 1: you have a lot of let's call them liberals and 1519 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,479 Speaker 1: yes vaxxers who are living together, they're going to be 1520 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,439 Speaker 1: very protected in their vaccinated bubble. And then you're going 1521 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,439 Speaker 1: to have a lot of Republicans who are more likely 1522 01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,320 Speaker 1: to be no vaxers, especially if they're under the age 1523 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,280 Speaker 1: of sixty five and they're living in an unvaxed bubble. 1524 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,320 Speaker 1: And so what's happening right now is that you have 1525 01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,680 Speaker 1: a lot of virus, a lot of delta variant that 1526 01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,240 Speaker 1: is spreading among the unvaxxed bubbles and not among the 1527 01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,879 Speaker 1: vaxed bubbles. That also goes to explain why I disreporced 1528 01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,280 Speaker 1: and share of the hospitalized and the dead in this 1529 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:09,320 Speaker 1: country are unvaxed rather than vax So to your point, 1530 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:13,880 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as heard immunity nationally when we're 1531 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,559 Speaker 1: so divided by ideology and by propensity to take this 1532 01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 1: vaccine another area where division comes back to bite us. Derek, 1533 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,160 Speaker 1: really appreciate all your analysis here, man, such a smart guy. 1534 01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I know you're on book leave. We're all really excited. 1535 01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,800 Speaker 1: You're hoping you can stop by on your book tour 1536 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,559 Speaker 1: back on the show. What's the book going to be about, Derek? Oh, 1537 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,360 Speaker 1: the book right now is about the most exciting ideas 1538 01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,519 Speaker 1: in science and tech and how they can help us 1539 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,639 Speaker 1: save the world. Basically looking toward a future of tech 1540 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,680 Speaker 1: we can be positive about, rather than technology that makes 1541 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,880 Speaker 1: us miserable as we stare. Into uses something optimist helpful yeah, 1542 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,320 Speaker 1: something optimistic, something that we need more of on the 1543 01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,800 Speaker 1: show in our politics. Appreciate you joining us. Man. Great 1544 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,479 Speaker 1: to see Derek. Thank you guys. Absolutely all right, everybody, 1545 01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching You can be I'm 1546 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,400 Speaker 1: a premium subscriber today at the link down in there 1547 01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,519 Speaker 1: in the description notes you get the show an hour early. 1548 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,040 Speaker 1: All of that. Also, don't let anybody say we don't 1549 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,240 Speaker 1: listen you notice these beautiful little bricks behind us. We 1550 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,720 Speaker 1: got some brand new bricks. I saved it to the 1551 01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,240 Speaker 1: end because I want there to be a little bit 1552 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,360 Speaker 1: of speculation out there. Did they change it? Did they not? Yes, 1553 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,600 Speaker 1: we certainly did. We heard you, and we've got some 1554 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,080 Speaker 1: really fun improvements that are coming here in the studio. 1555 01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,439 Speaker 1: And we appreciate all of you, and we'll see you 1556 01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 1: all on Tuesday. So thank you. I have to say, 1557 01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,160 Speaker 1: initially I really preferred the old Brooks, but by the 1558 01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,080 Speaker 1: end of the show now I do. Actually they've grown 1559 01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,320 Speaker 1: on me. I do like it better. Yeah, so thanks 1560 01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,720 Speaker 1: for the less resistant or more resistant to change. But 1561 01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,880 Speaker 1: I just thought the other ones look good. I don't know, 1562 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:42,800 Speaker 1: I think you're both. We do listen to you, guys, 1563 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. I do think. I do think it just 1564 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,759 Speaker 1: has like a little bit of a cleaner look, especially 1565 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,600 Speaker 1: when it's on either you or me directly. Anyway, we 1566 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,559 Speaker 1: love you guys, have a great day. We'll see you tomorrow. 1567 01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,439 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the show, guys, we really appreciate it. 1568 01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,479 Speaker 1: To help other people find the show, go ahead and 1569 01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,360 Speaker 1: leave us a five star rating on Apple Podcasts or 1570 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,599 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Really helps other people find 1571 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,240 Speaker 1: the show as always special. Thank you to Supercast for 1572 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,240 Speaker 1: powering our premium membership. 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