WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Min Min Lights 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.080 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by that company 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.560 named after a rein diverting device. Instead, it is supported 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:09.880 by the generous contributions of people like you, our listeners 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:14.040 on Patreon. Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:29.520 learn more Thinking Sideways. I don't know stories of things. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:35.440 We simply don't know the answer too. Hey everybody, and 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.360 welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I and Steve, 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:43.839 of course, as always joined by Joe and Devin. And 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:47.760 this week we have a phenomena. I want to talk 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:58.640 about mysterious phenomena that this mystery sucks. I think it's good. Yeah, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.600 well listen here, let me tell these people before you 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:03.800 you trod all over it, Joe, what what we're going 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:09.440 to talk about? Maybe maybe not well, what we're gonna 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.720 talk about is we're gonna be talking about the men 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.000 men lights uh, this which are for people who don't 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.319 know they're a phenomena that has been witnessed in the 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:24.480 Australian Outback. For the Australian Outback. Yeah, I don't have 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.120 that accent, So thanks for thanks for the help, but 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.520 not doing it. And that's not to be confused with 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:36.360 the Australian back out It has been reportedly observed in 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.440 the outback for hundreds of years, and the lights are 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:45.440 described as well flora lamps. People see it now, they 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.760 are They've been described as a lot of different things, uh, 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.680 their behavior and their color, as well as any sound 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.880 or smells that they may or may not make. Um 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:00.840 it's ever changing from one wit this to a next, 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.320 so they're kind of hard to pin down. The only 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:09.200 thing that really connects all the various sightings is like mushrooms. No, yeah, no, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.799 that's not what connects them. I see mushrooms in this. Yeah, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.880 you see mushrooms in everything. Handled mushrooms well before. Before 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.880 Joe gets us too off topic, I do want to 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.240 say that this was a listeners suggestion. Uh. This was 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.680 suggested by Alex quite a while ago, and I know 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:26.639 that some other people have sent it to us since then. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.840 So thank you for the suggestion. Guys, Thanks Alex. Um. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.040 So let's get into trying to describe and explain the 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:38.840 men Men lights. Simplest description is, like I said, their 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.720 lights that are seen at night by people who are 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.120 driving or camping in the outback. The most common description 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.800 is that they're they're kind of a whitish colored round 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:53.720 light unless they're not. Sometimes they're dim, sometimes they're bright. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.960 Usually there's one, but sometimes there can be multiple. Uh. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.360 They hover in the distance somewhere between three to twenty 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.840 feet off of the ground, which would be one to 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.600 six meters off of the ground. The general behavior of 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.440 the minmn lights is that they keep their distance from people. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.880 So if a person sees it and tries to approach, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.800 the lights retreat. But on the flip side, if you 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.359 try to retreat from the min min lights, they follow you, 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.480 so they seem to keep the same distance from you. Yes, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.639 it's always a consistent distance from the viewer typically, and 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:37.320 it's always like a fair distance, right, it's not. Yeah, 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:40.400 I mean some some people are reported them approaching kind 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.360 of close. But then again, you know they might have 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:49.000 been on mushrooms. I don't know, No, apparently that's the theory. Yeah, um, 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.560 so they know they tend to be a distance away. 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.320 The lights have been seen by motors who have said 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.480 that they've seen the lights while they were traveling at 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.000 highway speeds so sixty miles or a hundred kilometers per hour, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.520 and the lights never fell behind if sometimes they actually 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.640 appeared to gain some distance, so they actually caught up 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.000 with people. But it seems like the description is always 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:18.200 they imply that the lights are kind of playful. But 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.080 I've also heard on the opposite side of the spectrum 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.880 the stories that people who try to follow the lights 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.960 never return, So there's that kind of danger aspect there um, 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.320 which I honestly I gotta be telling, like, chalk that 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.440 up to wandering around in the dark, staring at something 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.920 ahead of you and not watching where you're walking, that's right, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.120 and then you fall, you knock your head and then 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.720 the dingo eats you. Yeah, I mean, especially if you're 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.400 staring at a light, right and it's dark everywhere else 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.560 and you're kind of burning out your night vision and 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.799 then you look for something and done spot on exactly. Actually, 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.679 I don't know how many people have actually been killed 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:57.440 pursuing these lights. I don't know. Yeah, the number is 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.320 not reported because they were never seen again. Because in 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:04.560 Dango eas now, the descriptions that we've given here of 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:08.560 the minimum lights probably sounds familiar because depending on where 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:12.040 you are in the world, this kind of light has 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.800 been described just about everywhere. You'll hear them called the 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.200 jack o landard lights, willow whisps, ghost lights, ghost candles, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.160 and then there's like locales, so there's places where they 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.799 actually get a local name, much like the minimon lights. 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:31.320 So you hear the Marpha lights, the Yeah, we talked 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.240 about one of those, didn't we know? We even talked 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:41.600 about lights. We've talked about swamp gases and stuff like that, 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.920 but not anyone particular. This is our first actual light 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.920 phenomena that we've gone over. There's breaking new ground. Don't 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.479 forget the Marborough lights. We don't ever talk about those either. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.200 So let's start off with something that's really easy to define, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.880 and that's the name of the lights. Because it turns 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.000 out that they are primarily seen in one area, which 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:10.120 is in Queensland, Australia, between the towns of Boola and Winton. 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.160 Between those two there used to be a settlement called 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.520 men Men and from what I've read, it was a 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.080 pretty wild and raucous kind of place and kind of lawless, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:24.920 and they had it was kind of deadwood eskin that 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.200 they had a pub and it apparently lived up to 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.279 the reputation of the town as well. But before you 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:34.160 get and go and try and book your next vacation 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.960 there don't because it burned down at the turn of 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:39.760 the nineteenth century, and I've heard that it might have 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.839 been a case of arson. You know. I read that, 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:44.960 but I didn't. I didn't really focus too much on it, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.719 so I don't know, you know. I mean, obviously it's 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.080 easy to burn a place down accidentally. It happens all 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.320 the time, especially when your main source of light is fired. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.599 That doesn't help. Yeah. Sorry, we're talking about the turn 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:03.640 between the eighteenth and name teen cent correct between. It 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:09.000 burned down in like nineteen ten or nineteen sixteen somewhere 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.960 in there. Then, okay, yeah, I'm sorry. I said nineteen didn't. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:17.000 It's confusing, it is. I complained about this before. That's 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.440 the worst. It's a bad system. We should get rid 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:24.960 of it. Um. So talking about the phenomena itself, it's 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.920 like I had mentioned a little bit earlier. It's not 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.880 new to the area. According to the indigenous people's there's 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.360 legends that talk about lights like this having been around 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.640 for before the white man came to the continent. But 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:43.880 the story is also they're a little confusing and conflicting 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.640 because it it's there's some that say that the lights 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:51.000 were observed before you know, settlers came. But then there's 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.600 also stories that say that the sightings have increased since 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.240 settlers came. And there's also stories that blame the lights 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.880 on the settlers who have killed you know, indigenous people's. 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.200 This was like in the I think it was between 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.800 the eighteen fifties and eighteen eighties, there was a number 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.200 of kind of slaughters and those were pointed to as well, 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.960 those are the souls of those people. So it's it's 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:19.120 it's I can never get a clear read on this 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.400 is the story that was there before it morphed in. Well, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.559 you know, the cool thing about legends is that, um, 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:30.920 different groups of people can have different legends and so 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.360 those could all be the original legends because you know, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.720 each group or tribe or whatever doesn't necessarily have to 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.160 agree on when they don't have to exactly the same. Yeah, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.800 I mean it's the flood legend. Yeah, that's the biblical flood. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.120 That legend has been through a whole bunch of cultures. 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:54.760 So like angels, you know, there's flying beings from the 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.720 Guy that a lot of cultures have, but like we 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.200 all call them some different. Yeah, absolute next time, thinking 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:06.200 stories are told around the campfire, and obviously they are 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:10.120 going to diverge because don't talk to one another. In fact, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.320 they usually try to kill one another. And it's an 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.600 oral most of them have the oral traditions. Stories are 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.600 going to morph over time. So yeah, of course there's 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.960 there's a whole bunch of reasons why they're not pinned 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.800 down or not mating up. But interestingly enough, they do 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.880 seem to occur, like, for example, the local the local 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.840 Native Americans in our in our area, you know here 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.800 in the Pacific Northwest, they don't tell stories about mysterious lights, 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.079 but they do in the outback, they do tell stories 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.319 about mysterious lights. Something seems to be going on. Yeah 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:48.040 it's conspiracy, Yeah probably yes, Okay, Um, So what I'm 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.880 gonna do here is is as I talked about, there's 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.080 so many different descriptions of the lights that it makes 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.440 it hard say exactly what's gonna go on or what 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.400 they are, what they look like, how they act. So 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.640 I'm going to go ahead and I'm gonna do something different. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.920 I'm going for me and I'm gonna do I'm gonna 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.760 go through some accounts to help highlight some things, and 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.559 we'll take this in chronological order, as Devon is about 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.000 to burst an excitement because I'm winning. Do you see 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.560 a single bullet point? No, but I don't have bullet 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.280 points on my last one. My last one looked almost 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.600 exactly like that with bullet points in it didn't. We're 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.680 going to move into accountings, um, because there's a there's 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.520 a number of them. I've picked a handful of them 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.200 through time just to kind of help you. I have, 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.640 I have absolutely have tailored it. Maybe there are a 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.520 lot of sightings out there. Yes, yeah, And I'm glad 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.599 you've paired it down somewhat because I don't want to 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.360 bore the hell of our listeners. So let's go ahead 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.000 and start with the first one. Uh, this is the 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.679 first white guy story. This is the first story that 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.360 is from a white person. And I actually I think 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.320 almost all of these are, but that's not the point. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.920 The story comes from the early eight teen hundreds. We 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.120 don't have an exact date. I've seen it listed eighteen 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:07.000 thirty eight ten. It's all over the map, but it's 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.079 the most common one because it references the stockman, which, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.280 if you don't know what a stockman is, that's a 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:18.480 cattle herder version the stores. Yeah, yeah, at the local 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.760 average Okay, now, okay, so there's a there's a stockman. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.880 He's working near the Men men's settlement, and sometime in 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.920 the early evening he said he saw a glow app 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.880 here in the local graveyard, but the draft away. I 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.600 don't know if you mentioned that a lot of people 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.600 got killed in Men because it was a wild West there. Yes, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.240 and they did have a little graveyard there, yes, they did. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.800 so well as with every town in that time frame, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.960 there's going to be a graveyard because people are dying 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.920 all the time. People are dying like flies, especially in 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.440 a rough and tumble area. So he sees this light 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.560 in the graveyard and he said it started to drift away, 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.000 and he described it as being about the size of 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:02.839 a watermelon, and this an American watermelon or an Australian watermelon. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.000 He said it was the size of a watermelon. At 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:11.720 which point he decided that a watermelon sized light floating 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.840 around was probably not something he wanted to be near, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.520 and he wanted to get away from itmelon. So he 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.320 rode his horse towards the town of Booyum, and it 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.080 followed him, and it wasn't until he got to town 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.520 itself that the light disappeared. He went to the local 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.040 police or constable, whatever the case may be, for that 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:34.680 particular location, and he reported it, but of course they 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:40.800 didn't believe him, in typical police fashion. Well, strangely enough, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:45.079 there were two more reports that came in, and again, 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.400 as with stories like this, the time frames vary, but 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.800 I'll just give you the second one, which is I 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:52.959 think it happened a day or so later. There was 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:58.360 a couple. Yeah, we'll see. That's that's the hard part, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.960 you know. But this couple came into the police and 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.000 they said they had seen a light in the area 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.960 and they had watched it. It got brighter and then 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.920 it started to move away, so they decided, not very wisely, 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.160 to to follow it. After a short bit, decided that 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.720 was a bad idea and retrace their steps, at which 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:23.040 point the light followed them. And the story doesn't say 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.520 exactly when the light disappeared, but they got to town 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.320 and then of course gave their story. So that's one 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.680 of the earliest versions of the story. Their accountings. Well, 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:37.440 then move forward to either June or July of nineteen twelve. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.800 I don't know which, And there is a guy by 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:44.760 the name of Henry Lamond. Lemon said he was traveling 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.760 in the early hours of the morning on horseback when 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.600 he saw what he believed to be the headlights of 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.360 a car somewhere between five or ten miles away. Uh. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.400 The thing to note here is that if you think 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.040 about a car that far away, it's gonna be a 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.000 single light far enough that the headlights are going to 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.760 stand out as individual headlines. Yeah, I recall from his 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.240 his account he thought they were a settling car headlights 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.520 because he had a bit of greenish tinge to it. Yeah, apparently. Yeah, 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.880 early car headlines were headlights were not just electric, you know, 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.319 they had different methods of doing it. As as with 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.320 a lot of things with cars in the very beginning, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.640 everybody was doing it their own way, and some were 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.240 better than others. Um. But yeah, So he sees this 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.160 car and he said the light was coming in his 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.920 direction and then and he thought that it was moving 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.120 about ten miles an hour, and there were two well, 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.280 it was still one. And when it got close enough 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.560 that he figured that if it was a car, they 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.080 should have split. That's when he knew something was going 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:47.480 on because it didn't split. The light was five to 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.400 ten feet off of the ground, and they he and 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:54.240 the light passed each other. I I understand that he 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.920 believed the light was on the road. He however, it 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.640 sounds like was not on the road because it wasn't 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.920 like they passed, you know, close to one another. But 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.320 he said the light traveled for about two hundred yards, uh, 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.320 and then it just sort of faded away. So he 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.880 was just off roading. I'm guessing that he he was 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:16.960 because there was something to do with He was in 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.200 the sheep trade, and I know he was going from 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.520 one place to another. He'd left like four in the 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.000 morning because he had to be their first light to 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.120 start working. And I think it was shearing season if 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.480 I remember right. And this this is totally from memory 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.200 because his story is one of a bunch. But right, well, 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.080 this is his stories significantly departs from the other stories 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.480 because and the other almost all these stories you cannot 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.840 catch up with the light, and in this one, he 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.040 not only caught up with it, it passed him and 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.320 went by him. He's not the only one that gets 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.560 close to it, though. But I mean, but but this 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.440 is this. I do this because this is a slice 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.560 of different styles of stories. So I'm sorry, maybe I 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.080 missed it. Did he have the impression that the car 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.600 was heading towards him or it overtook him? It was 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.960 head towards it direction they were heading towards each other 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:08.760 a little bit. Yeah, So we'll move forward just a 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:12.400 year in time to n This is a very simple one. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:17.760 There was some folks who were um who were out 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.200 in the evening hours, and they said they saw a 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.400 ball of light traveling about five feet off the ground 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.600 and it passed their buggy as if quote unquote it 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.000 was controlled by something, but it didn't seem to be 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:36.880 going just like Lamon's story. They thought it was maybe 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:42.760 going about ten mine obviously obviously were they? I mean, 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.400 was it? The impression I have of of Henry, right, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.840 is that it's a like a highway kind of situation. Right, 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.040 as much as he's taken the track that on his 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.200 horse and it's going down the main road, is that 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.840 because I think that's what it is. Yeah, but the roads, 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.960 I mean, yeah, it's just weird because then we've got 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.200 buggies and but you've also got cars, and it's weird 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.840 to me. Weird to me that somebody in that day 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.000 and age would just assume like, that's a car, because 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:14.800 cars are the only things at that time that are 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.159 making lights bright enough. Yeah, I mean, that's that's what 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.000 I was thinking to your cars were not that rare 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.560 in Australia at the time, even in the outback. But 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.040 it's funny to me, right that we're talking about like 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.480 people who are not in cars saying well, that's a car, right, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.840 I mean if cars are so ubiquitous at this time, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.399 they were not ubiquitous at that time, right, but so 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:38.440 they I mean, you know what it is, but that 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.920 you would initially say like, it looks like a car 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.320 to me, I don't know. I guess for me, it's 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.119 just like a weird thing. I don't know. I get it, 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:47.720 I get it. I don't know why it's weird. I 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:52.160 don't know why it is. But sorry. So the next 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:55.119 one that I've got for us is from the tenth 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:59.879 of Februaryerable. Well, yeah, I had to because they're so 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.560 many of you just have to jump them a time. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.960 So this is from a man named Mr C. Rhodes 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.159 and Mr Rhodes standing first cecil. Is it? I have 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:16.480 no idea? Okay, Mr Rhodes said that at about eight 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.639 thirty at night, he saw the light hovering in the 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.480 sky about fifteen ft in the air, and it was 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.880 moving from east to west. Uh. And then as he 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:31.720 described it, it moved about forty degrees, which I'm I'm 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.080 assuming when he's saying the east and west, he's it 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:40.280 traveled about forty degrees on the compass from true north 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:45.159 to about north northwest right, yeah, um. And then he 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.040 said once it did that, it then started to bounce 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.120 up and down in the sky really fast, very quickly, 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.760 at which point until it finally it stopped held steady. 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.440 A cloud went by and it went behind the cloud. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.320 But he said he could see it bouncing up and down, 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.520 peaking above and below the cloud, and then when the 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.440 cloud eventually went by, it was static in its original 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.960 position again, and then it's zipped away. I have a 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:19.760 question for you. Isn't February in Australia summer? Would it 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.879 have actually been dark at eight thirty pm in February? 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.600 That's a good question. What's the latitude at this place? 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.399 I don't know the latitude, and I don't know what 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.520 time it gets dark there in February, so I don't know. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.679 I mean, just doesn't have the equivalent of pitch black. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.399 You see a light, a bright light in dusky condition. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.760 I'm just wondering, based on the next thing you're going 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:50.000 to say, if maybe he wasn't seeing the sun, like okay, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.240 So here's here's what. Okay, I know what you're getting at. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.520 I have written down in my notes here that we're 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.760 all looking at that maybe this guy had had too 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.399 much to drink, and so I had checked lunar cow under, 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.040 which showed me that the moon was at less than 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.359 a quarter of a moon, So there was no way 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.359 that it could have been the moon. You're getting it. 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.080 And maybe it was the sun and he was in 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.600 an altered state from mushrooms watching the sun bounce around. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.560 That's a I don't know that, that's a that's a 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.240 good question. I didn't even think to look at when 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.320 sunset was, so I just did a quick Google paused 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:28.960 look at that where we do that occasionally, not often though, 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:33.680 to stop asking, um when, yeah, okay, it could have 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:35.840 been the moon, so it had to be a light. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:37.520 It could have been the sun, could have been a star, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.320 could could have been an airplane, could have been all 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.320 kinds of things. So that is what this gentleman said 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.920 he saw. That seems sorry, that's fine. It just seems 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:53.919 like early or whatever. Okay, so we're gonna move on 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:58.840 to nine four again. The month and day are not listed. Uh. 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:02.320 There's a farmer's working in his fields and he says 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.840 that he heard a noise that evening while he was working, 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.680 and the sound got louder and louder, and he described 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.639 it like air escaping from a tire, that kind of 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:17.280 high pitch. No it's the like, yeah, that kind of 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.800 lovely noise. But that guy, this guy was working on 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:24.080 a tractor, right, he was driving, but he heard it 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:28.920 and he stopped and he got off the tractor and 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.280 well that he started walking away because he's trying to 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.040 figure out where this noise was coming from. And he 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:36.159 decided that it was coming from behind the boulder. He 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.760 went over and looked behind the boulder, and that's when 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:42.640 he says he saw a bright orange light floating just 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.200 above the ground close to him, close to him. Well, 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.560 he tried to get near it, but he said he 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.720 felt like there was pressure on him, similar to heat. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.080 You know, you feel pressure on your skin from heat. 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:59.040 But there was no heat. Every time people do this, 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.200 I always just think we really are just big monkeys. 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.040 He grabbed a stick and he tried to poke it 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:07.600 with a stick, but he couldn't poke it with the stick. 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.639 At it get back, get bad, He said. He was 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.440 trying to poke it with the stick, but he could 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.840 never get the stick to touch it or get close enough. 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:17.240 It was kind of like it was magnetically being pushed 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.760 away every time he went for it. I probably would 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.440 have actually tried to poke it with a stick myself. Yeah, 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:27.119 I know to do big monkeys. We do it, and 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:31.159 we're tool using apes. So at this point, after having 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.720 tried to hit it with a stick, he said, that's 0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:39.080 the point that it started changing color. It turned to green. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:43.639 It then faded away, as did the sound, after which 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.160 he said he smelled kind of a sickly sweet smell, 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:52.040 which then also kind of quickly dissipated. Yeah, his story 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.240 is one of the weird ones. But there's kinds of weird. 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:58.800 They all vary quite a bit. Yeah, you ready for 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.840 the next one? Quiet, I gotta just give me just 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:06.000 a second here, hang on, okay, okay, okay, good, So 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.800 we're gonna go to eighty This is one of the 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:10.800 ones that I told you. Just kind of an outlier 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:14.320 as well. When we're talking about getting close outliers. Two 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:19.520 men were driving from the town of Badouri to Boolia 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.440 when they saw a bright light on the side of 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:26.080 the road. They pulled up next to it, at which 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:29.160 point they said, the light took off, sprayed their car 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:34.920