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Speaker 1: We simply don't know the answer too. Hey everybody, and

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Speaker 1: welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I and Steve,

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Speaker 1: of course, as always joined by Joe and Devin. And

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Speaker 1: this week we have a phenomena. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about mysterious phenomena that this mystery sucks. I think it's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well listen here, let me tell these people before you

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Speaker 1: you trod all over it, Joe, what what we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about? Maybe maybe not well, what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: men lights uh, this which are for people who don't

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Speaker 1: know they're a phenomena that has been witnessed in the

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Speaker 1: Australian Outback. For the Australian Outback. Yeah, I don't have

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Speaker 1: that accent, So thanks for thanks for the help, but

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Speaker 1: not doing it. And that's not to be confused with

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Speaker 1: the Australian back out It has been reportedly observed in

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Speaker 1: described as well flora lamps. People see it now, they

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Speaker 1: are They've been described as a lot of different things, uh,

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Speaker 1: their behavior and their color, as well as any sound

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Speaker 1: that's not what connects them. I see mushrooms in this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you see mushrooms in everything. Handled mushrooms well before. Before

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Speaker 1: say that this was a listeners suggestion. Uh. This was

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Speaker 1: So thank you for the suggestion. Guys, Thanks Alex. Um.

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Speaker 1: Usually there's one, but sometimes there can be multiple. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They hover in the distance somewhere between three to twenty

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Speaker 1: so they seem to keep the same distance from you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean some some people are reported them approaching kind

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Speaker 1: fifteen highest. They weren't tall tall forests, probably less than that.

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00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: He he said, in the middle of the night, he

427
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: saw a light that he first thought was a headlight. Uh,

428
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until he realized that the direction he

429
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: was looking wasn't actually the main road, so it couldn't

430
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: have been headlights from the road. And he says the light,

431
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: which he watched for a while, was about fifteen two

432
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: thousand meters away, and it moved in a straight line

433
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: across the horizon, but it didn't of course get any

434
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: farther away from him, and it was whitish in color.

435
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: And then after moving for a bit it stopped and

436
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: stayed in one place steadily for about half an hour,

437
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: at which point he fell asleep. He woke up, I think,

438
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: he said, he woke up like one o'clock in the morning.

439
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: It was a couple of hours later. He woke up,

440
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: and he said that the light had moved. It had

441
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: now made its way over to the campsite of another

442
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: person who was in his party. Uh, and that was

443
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe that it was a woman. Her campsite was about

444
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: a thousand meter is away? Actually heard like six away?

445
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: Well again again six hundred or thousand, it varies. That's

446
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: just one of the things I wondered about in this story,

447
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: that she's in the same party, but she's she's like

448
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: a thousand meters away. Is that what it is? I mean,

449
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you know a kilometer, I mean, you do

450
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: a hundred feet that would probably do it. Well, you

451
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: know what I've I've been camping and I've heard you snore,

452
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: and sometimes I think six hundreds might be what it takes. Okay. No,

453
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: I have no idea why she was so far away.

454
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: I really don't. But you know, his his story goes on.

455
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: He said the light had dimmed, it had gotten more yellowish,

456
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: and it was now about three to six feet off

457
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: of the ground, and it lit up the ground below it,

458
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: meaning that it was casting light in her camp. Yeah,

459
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: it's just it's it actually is a little floating fireball

460
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, And he said he watched it

461
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: for about five minutes, at which point it's suddenly just

462
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: dropped to the ground and it went out. It dropped

463
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: and disappeared. And again kind of like with um was

464
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: booth or not? No, this is booth with Rhodes. I

465
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: checked the lunar calendar and the new moon was on

466
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: the sixth of that month, which was four days afterwards,

467
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: which means there wouldn't have been but the barest sliver

468
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: of moons. So again, this guy couldn't have been just

469
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: staring at the moon. If it was six days after

470
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: it would be a crescent moon. It wouldn't be, but

471
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be much of a crest now, it wouldn't. Yeah, no,

472
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a half moon or anything like that now,

473
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: but it would be a quarter moon something like that. Well, okay,

474
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: listen that that's actually the last one that we're going

475
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: to go through in terms of stories, because we could

476
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: really keep this up all night. Yeah, there's lots of stories.

477
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: There are tons and tons. People are chased by lives,

478
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: people chase the lines, people shot at the lights, people

479
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: are shot at by the lights. Well, okay, not quiet

480
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: that what didn't happen? But no, it's it's been all

481
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: kinds of colors. So it's been white, bluish, grayish, orangish, yellowish.

482
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: It's steady, it's pulsed, it's moved towards people, away from people,

483
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: parallel to the ground, bouncing up and down. It's been noisy,

484
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: it's been smelly. It hasn't been smelly, it's been quiet.

485
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just all these things. Yeah, I think

486
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: human imagination, at least I'm not saying all lifes don't exist,

487
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: but human imagination is drawn a few things any here. Well,

488
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: and I think you know, one of the things that

489
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: I've I've noticed in the stories in the lot, the

490
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: stories from the last thirty years, that I think is

491
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: a good example of what you're talking about things that

492
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: have been added to it, is that radio and electrical

493
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: interference have been added. So suddenly it's the light showed

494
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: up in my radio went crazy and my car conked out,

495
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: and I really feel like that is something that has

496
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: made its way in from UFOs stories. Ufologists are going

497
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: crazy over because now, oh well that got added in,

498
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: so it must be an alien thing. That's that's what

499
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: it is for sure. So it's it definitely has changed

500
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: over time. I'm in total agreement with that. So with that,

501
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's time to go into theories mushrooms. Mushrooms

502
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: are not on the theory list, but thank you for

503
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: adding that one, Joe. Now that we've covered that, um,

504
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the first theory is I'm going to say the easiest

505
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: to discredit, and that is that the lights are birds

506
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: or insects. Yeah, well, let me let me explain it.

507
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: So this is this is what the theory says. Is

508
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: it says that us, there are a swarm of bugs

509
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: that have eaten a naturally bioluminescent plant or fungus of

510
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: some kind, or are naturally bioluminescent themselves, or a bird

511
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: that has eaten a bunch of bioluminescent bugs, or a

512
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: bird that might be bioluminescent. Is what these people are seeing, right,

513
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: And so none of these things actually exist, right, None

514
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: of the things have ever been found. The whole idea

515
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: that a bird could ingest a bunch of say, like

516
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, blowing nats or fireflies, fireflies and then start

517
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: glowing those itself is like ridiculous. Yeah, okay, but that

518
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: assumes that it's a natural occurrence, right. I mean there's

519
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: a TV show used to watch where they engineered like

520
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: chipmunks to be bioluminescent. They just like found the gene

521
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: and switched on. They've done those things, So we're assuming

522
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: that this would be the natural. I mean, it's possible

523
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: that Australian scientists near min Men were ago yeah around

524
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: ye okay, I'm not explaining, but maybe as as recent

525
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: as fifty years ago, maybe even as recent as a

526
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: hundred years Probably not, but it would be like time

527
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: travel too. I mean, you know, you know BELLI and

528
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: I did do a lot of research. Scientists have traveled

529
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: back in time with bioluminescent chipmunks to create these lights

530
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: or birds. I mean, it doesn't have to be chipmunks, right,

531
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: it's just anything. I like the idea of chipmunks. Yeah,

532
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: but I mean, I guess that's just assuming, right. I'm

533
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: not I hate the theory too, I agree, but I

534
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: just feel like I have to pitch in for the

535
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: fact that, like, scientists could have created a bioluminescent bird. Fine,

536
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: they could and it could have as they were, like,

537
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell anyone, Yeah, but yeah, but

538
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: birds scientists that swear protected by luminescent birds, as birds

539
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: don't usually stick together in a tight little ball when

540
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: they fly, no insects neither. Yeah. Birds are pretty bad

541
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: at night anyway. So the next theory that we have

542
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: is swamp gas, which is also known as ignis fatuous.

543
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: That seems silly, Okay, yeah, I know, I know, it's

544
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: it's they say it like a hundred times in every

545
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: Men in Black movie. There are many swamps near this area,

546
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: only hundreds and maybe thousands of miles away. So swamp

547
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: gas is and is actually the common name for biogas,

548
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: which typically forms in a wetland environment. Those gases are

549
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: primarily methane with hydrogen and some carbon dioxide in them.

550
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: Um and they it is truly, it does actually happen

551
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: because there's all that organic material and waters and it

552
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: it rots and then as the gas is released, it

553
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: can create that can be enough heat to cause a

554
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: spontaneous ignition. If you've ever watched Princess Bride and you

555
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: look at the fire swamp, you know that all of

556
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: the explosions constantly. That's the Hollywood amped up version of

557
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: what swamp gas can do. And interestingly, there's there's quite

558
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: a few reachers researchers who have seen these fireballs and

559
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: they seem to have been spontaneously combusting in these swamps.

560
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: One thing that is noted is the fact that when

561
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: and these are researchers, not necessarily today, but some of

562
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: these are in the eighteen hundreds, they would try to

563
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: approach the fire. So they would see this gas starting

564
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: to ignite, they would try to approach it, and it

565
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: would retreat from them. It's believed that the reason is

566
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: is that because these people are moving forward, they're causing

567
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: an air current and that is pushing this fuel source,

568
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: the gas forward as well, which is why the fire

569
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: seems to move away. So that's that's that's some older

570
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: research on swamp gas. But you know the thing about

571
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: it is is we're talking to like people are saying

572
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: that they're at a distance of say a thousand meters

573
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: in this light and then moving towards it is and

574
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: it's moving away from them. Yep, that that that is

575
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: in doesn't follow along with this. But one of the

576
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: things you can think about, right, is that even so

577
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: they've estimated what they how bright they think that light is,

578
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: and how big they think that light is, and that

579
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: they think it is that distance. But we know, like

580
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: there's there's such thing as an optical illusion, right, so

581
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: it may be a dimmer, smaller light than the brain

582
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: is perceiving. Therefore, it may be much closer to that

583
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: person than they are anticipating, right, And that's reasonable to Yeah,

584
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: that's that's absolutely true. That's fair. Although you're you know,

585
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: we do have two eyes, which gives us kind of

586
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: like you know, but it's also dark and you're looking

587
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: at a light, and you know, if you're thinking it's

588
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: much brighter. I've done this before. I thought, oh, you know,

589
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: that car behind me has a headlight out, and then

590
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: suddenly it's like, no, that's a motorcycle right behind me.

591
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Oh god, what you know? That happens You're laying in

592
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: the dark and you see what looks like a light

593
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: way far away, only to realize that it's actually something

594
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: that's only a couple of feet away, but very you know,

595
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: very dim it's just it's a perspective thing. Or sometimes

596
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: it's something that's like stuck to your glasses. But yeah,

597
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: that's that that could for you be it. Yeah probably,

598
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: But but generally speaking, that you're gonna move around a

599
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: little bit, you're gonna just not it's not just the

600
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: three inches or porches between your eyes. You're gonna actually

601
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: be moving around side to side. You've got a really

602
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: good idea that this is this thing. Not always but

603
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: but that's you know, I understand where you're going. But

604
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: that's that's not a percent, especially in a dark environment. Um.

605
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: Something about swamp gas that I did want to point

606
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: out that I found that was really interesting is that

607
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: there was a researcher in two thousand. He was a

608
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: British guy. Um, he suggested that And by the way,

609
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: the fun note is this is after his failure for

610
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: twenty years in a controlled environment to create swamp gas

611
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: to create the fireballs that the lights were what's called

612
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: cold flames. And I don't know if you guys have

613
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: ever heard this before. It's uh so I don't I

614
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: don't completely understand the science behind it, but it's that

615
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: gases that are neararing their ignition point will put out

616
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: some light and that maybe what it is. So there

617
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: it's warm enough that they should they're almost going to ignite,

618
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: but they don't actually, but they're creating then this luminescence problem.

619
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, for all of for the entire

620
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: swamp gas issue is the location is Joe very very

621
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: wisely pointed out in the very beginning of this, which

622
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: is it's not swampy. This is known as channel Country,

623
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: which if you look at it from the aerials, it

624
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: is nothing but just fingers of rivers and creeks going uphills.

625
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: It's all dry. It's it's in the out back. They

626
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: I looked up the rainfall and they get on average

627
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty eight millimeters of rain a year,

628
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: which is about seven and a half inches. Compare that

629
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: to a place like say western Oregon, where we get

630
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: two hundred inches a year. That's five meters of water.

631
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: If you look at southern California they're at they're kind

632
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: of in a bad, bad decade. They are averaging about

633
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: twenty three inches a year with and this is and

634
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: they're getting way up and above. You actually have to

635
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: go to a place here in the States like Arizona,

636
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: which is a desert to get the same levels of

637
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: minimal rainfall swamps in this area. No, there's not enough

638
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,720
Speaker 1: constant water to create the the rot to then create

639
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: the gas. It dries out, the gas would escape on

640
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: top of that, it's like swamp gas. You know, it

641
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: can rise epic and it can sup ignite, but it

642
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: can't just chase a car or run away from a car. No,

643
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: not really, absolutely not. So let's move on to our

644
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: next one. Because we've obviously none of us are in

645
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: love with swamp gas smelling theory. We're gonna go to

646
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: one that I know, devil like Aliens. Yeah, this is

647
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: obviously Actually unfortunately for this one, I don't think it's

648
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: as see. I actually like Aliens for this one, just

649
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: because it ties together some of the inconsistencies and I

650
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: find a lot of humor in it. I really I

651
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: would love this to be a situation where there's some

652
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: race that has decided that the outback is the best

653
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: place that they need to do air version of Mario

654
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: Kart at night and they're awesome, glowing a little spaceships.

655
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes it's like a very realistically right

656
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: this is a country where there's a strong history of documentation,

657
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: versus like say Africa, where it's all like a lot

658
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: of it is still oral tradition has been like so

659
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: like there's people who are like have this written history, right,

660
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: it's white people, and like everybody loves to mess with

661
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: white people. It's also like this great landing ground where

662
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: it seems like if you were coming to Earth, you

663
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: were like, there's kind of a smaller place that we

664
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: can still land at, that we can be like self container.

665
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: We can like you know, land without being observed. But

666
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's why I don't like the aliens.

667
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: Thing is because they stand down these little drones or

668
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: whatever to to observe and gather information, and yet they

669
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: make they make them glow hugely. I mean, wouldn't you

670
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: want a stealthier little drone? Maybe they don't have um,

671
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, night vision technology. Yeah, what do you mean?

672
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: What like you have literally no way of perceiving how

673
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: different technologies in this universe have evolved. Let's be fair,

674
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: right if they don't even have to be carbon based entities.

675
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, seriously, why would their little drones or their

676
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: little spacecraft low? Maybe they perceive light a different way

677
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: than we do. Okay, now that that I will accept

678
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: as a possible reason of why they glow if they

679
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: see on a different spectrum or they just create different

680
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there are there life forms on Earth that

681
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: are in a different spectrum than our human eyes can

682
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: even perceive. So like, yeah, but if they're let's let's

683
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: presume these these are advanced, fairly smart aliens, so they

684
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: know they understand the whole electromagnetic spectrum, and they recognize

685
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: that if they're down here to observe us stealthily, they

686
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: will know that they shouldn't be mitting in the visible

687
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: light range. They would know that they should. But they

688
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: also might be like humans and so self important where

689
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: they're like they won't notice they're dump. But it also

690
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: could be just you know, like we think we are

691
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: so smart as humans that like aliens would be smart.

692
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: But if we, you know, if there were a race

693
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: that we're smarter than us, they might be like, all

694
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: these guys are freaking idiots, Like, well, we're gonna screw

695
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: with them. That's my favorite theory, right, is that like

696
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: aliens just messing with you, right, But also it could

697
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: be like they won't notice, Yeah, they don't notice like

698
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: they're not the other I could sort of sort of

699
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: kind of see that in this in the sense that

700
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, there was this dumb, bureaucratic mindset mentality. You know,

701
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: maybe I guess, but it just seems to me like

702
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: at least one alien scientists would have said, hey, you know,

703
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: they might perceive electromagnetic radiation in this bandwidth which we

704
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: can't perceive, but maybe they can, so maybe we should

705
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: like not yeah, but like put that in and but no,

706
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: I know what happened then was he was taking before

707
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: a special committee and accused of crabs against the state

708
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: and executed. So I think, like my argument against that is,

709
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: like put that in our terms, right, think if like

710
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: we discovered aliens and like one scientist at NASA was like,

711
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: but wait, they might perceive sound in this way, so

712
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: we have to make our spaceships that are going to

713
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: go investigate this silent. Obviously everyone would be like, no,

714
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: that's too expensive, we're not doing that. And also they

715
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: don't perceive that. There's no way they purceive sound like that.

716
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: That's insane, So we wouldn't do it. And then we would,

717
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: like you know, have a bunch of alien stories, lore

718
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: of people being like the it's weird you just hear

719
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: this abound and that they may not I mean something

720
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: that you hinted at earlier in that is that they

721
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: may not perceive light in the same way. It's like,

722
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: there's that what is that crazy shrimp that breake um aquariums,

723
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: and they have figured out that they see a million

724
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: more colors than we do. So it's they may not

725
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: have ever figured it out, but we've labored that enough.

726
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I like we should talk about aliens

727
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: probably soon, but well, for this, I don't I like

728
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: the idea that it's aliens messing with people, but I

729
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: also don't think it's the strongest theory. So this that

730
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: we we're going to go to the next one, which

731
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 1: is related, which is that these lights are actually from

732
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: some sort of dimensional rift. In other words, there's something

733
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: that is on another plane of existence that is trying

734
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: to either is leaking through or trying to come through

735
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: into our dimension, at which point it may or may

736
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: not be an intentional set of lights. No. I mean,

737
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: that's that's it's debated by a lot of people how

738
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: this works, not by me because I don't really buy it.

739
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: But that's another theory that you see out there. Yeah,

740
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: I like the idea of a dimensional rift. But you know,

741
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: I think that you wouldn't just see lights coming through.

742
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: You would see dude, would see cars, cars, houses, large rocks.

743
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: Uh you know, I mean, you'd see all kinds of

744
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: crap coming you would think, but you would think, but

745
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: not just lights. Okay, well let's move to the next

746
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: theory after that, which is ball lightning. So I remember

747
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, this is it's understan it's believed,

748
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: it's a thing. We know it's a thing now, but

749
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: I still remember ball lightning being kind of a myth

750
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and it's it's always I

751
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: thought ball lightning was always kind of proven to you know,

752
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: they didn't really prove ball lightning was actually a true

753
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: thing until I think about twenty or thirty years ago,

754
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: like or no, No, it was in the No, I'm lying,

755
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm making that data. It was in the mid sixties.

756
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: They had really they knew. But we still don't know

757
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: exactly how it happens. It's probably electricity like lightning. We've

758
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: got to capture some of those balls and interrogate the

759
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: problem is we have never been able to do that

760
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: they've been observed in nature. But that's it. But interestingly,

761
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: for this particular story for the men Men lights, there

762
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: are some similar descriptions for ball lightning as there are

763
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: for the lights. I'm just gonna go through this list here, um,

764
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: and you'll see some of the similarities. There's the ones

765
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: that are completely dissimilar, but I've prune those out. I

766
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: just want to make these little connections. Uh So. The

767
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: similarities are moves erratically or slowly, up and down or

768
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: left and right, can cover in place. Generally spherical, though

769
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: sometimes pear shaped with fuzzy edges, which I feel like

770
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: that sometimes. Um. The diameter is anywhere from one to

771
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: one centimeters, which is half an inch to forty inches.

772
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: They range in color from red, orange, and yellow. Yellow

773
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: is the most common. They are rarely reported creating any heat,

774
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: though sometimes when they disappear they can cause heat or

775
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: a bit of an explosion. And they do tend to

776
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: have a smell associated with them, which is the smell

777
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: of ozone. Um makes sense, but yeah, it totally makes sense. Now.

778
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Of course, the problem with ball lightning is there's never

779
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: any storms reported. I mean, it's good weather. That's why

780
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: people are out exactly ball lightning. There has to be

781
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: a lightning storm, right, yes, thunderstorm usually yes, not always usually,

782
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: but this would be a like statistically improbable amount of

783
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: ball lightning without storm. Yeah, there would have to be

784
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: some It's almost it would have to be there's some

785
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: kind of catalyst to cause it, which is actually something

786
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: that's in a later theory. Next theory of the seventeen

787
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: thousand theories that I have listed here for real is

788
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: um settle in that you might want to go to

789
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: the back right now. So our next one is, Joe,

790
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: how do you pronounce this? You've said this word thank you? Okay,

791
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: so fati morgana there I got it right once. Um.

792
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: So there's this series put out there by Professor Jack

793
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: Pettigrew who's observed the minmn lights many many times, um,

794
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: and he's done some actually some really good research into it.

795
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: And just so we know the how do I say

796
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: this word again? Thank you? That thing is a type

797
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: of mirage or a light reflection, and it's typically seen

798
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: on the horizon or high up in the clouds sometimes

799
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: and it's usually at the horizon. So if anybody remembers

800
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: last year, there was all that stuff going around the

801
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: internet of that Chinese city in the clouds. I remember

802
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: that that was That was pretty awesome. That was really cool.

803
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: That's what this this phenomena is. I gotta say, if

804
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: I looked up at the clouds and I saw a

805
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: city up there, I'll crap my pants. I would be

806
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: very very curious. Is what was going on? What was

807
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: about to come down? Um? Well, okay, so what what

808
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: it's caused by is it's caused by a temperature in

809
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: version where cold, dense air is trapped next to the

810
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: ground under a layer of warmer air. And depending on

811
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: they say, the shape, so I'm guessing it's the mass

812
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: or the density, and how far of an area covers

813
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: of that inversion. Light near the ground can be refracted

814
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: and sent through that cold So light normal normally travels

815
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: in straight line or the curvature of the Earth. Eventually

816
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: it's going to go away and the farther way you

817
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: are over the horizon, you're not going to see it.

818
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: If this cold air is covering that area, the light

819
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: can then travel through it, so light actually bends and

820
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: follows the curvature of the Earth because the air is

821
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: trapped next to it. Yeah. Well, what it is is

822
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: like you know, I imagine your eyeglasses and they refract.

823
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: That's how they correct your vision. Is because the glass

824
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: is a different density than the air around it, and

825
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: the same thing with that, I mean hot air versus

826
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: cool air, different density. Had that sharp lair, it's going

827
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: to bend that light just the way the lenses in

828
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: your eyeglasses. And yeah, that's how it works, you know.

829
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: It's it's a very similar set of conditions to what

830
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: I still feel is my favorite theory for sky quakes. Right,

831
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: it's the same. It's the visual version of the audio

832
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: version of what you were saying for skyquakes exactly. Um

833
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: And and normally this happens over water because that's where

834
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: you get a good inversion of air temperatures, because the

835
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: water temperature itself is going to help cause that. But

836
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: according to Pedigrew, the channel country of the outback is

837
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: also a really good I mean I would assume I

838
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: would I would guess that the outback is kind of

839
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: the opposite of a cool, watery area, right, It's a dry,

840
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: hot area, so it may create an opposite inversion, which

841
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know enough about science to say.

842
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: One way that version is like the same either way. Well,

843
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: it's because of the fact that a channel country, so

844
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: it's a lot of ravines and valleys and so which

845
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: cold air can get trapped in there. So that's that's

846
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: how I understand here talking a small version the land.

847
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to be Essentially, the land has been

848
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: bombarded by sunlight all day. It's hot, it's hot, and

849
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: then the atmosphere cools down barely rapidly, but especially there's

850
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: no ozone. Yeah, and the land is still still warm,

851
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: still re radiating, and everything has still got warmed. But

852
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: but and that's when that temperature verst occurs, you know.

853
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: And so but it's the same either way. Right, if

854
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: it's hot on the bottom or cold on the bottom,

855
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: the inversion creates a similar effect. I think it's gotta

856
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: be gotta be cold on the bottom. No, that's gotta

857
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: be cold on the top and warm on the bottom.

858
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: Cold air is trapped next to the ground under a

859
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: layer of war were air, So it is cold air

860
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: on the bottom. So cold are close to the ground.

861
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you're not gonna have a layer

862
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: like this high. It's gonna be cold air that it's

863
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: gonna be warm warm ground, cold air for god knows how,

864
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: and then and then warm air above it. Is that

865
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of what you're thinking, Well, I mean that's the

866
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: way it's described as this cold air trapd next to ground.

867
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: The exact the exact amount we're laboring. The point is

868
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: is that this seems to be the place that it

869
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: happens a lot um. Now. I could see it in

870
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: an arid environment, you know, dry and you know you're

871
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: not gonna see it in the temperate environment like we

872
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: have here in Oregon. But in arid environment or at

873
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: sea or like down around see Antarctica, I can see

874
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: it happening all the time. Yeah. Well, and and here's

875
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: what Pettigrew did. He and six observers. They parked a

876
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: car and they left the headlights on, and then they

877
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: drove ten kilometers away, which is six miles, and so

878
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: that means that of course, put some high ground between

879
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: them and the car. They then and they went out

880
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: obviously at a time that they expected this to take place,

881
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: so they knew the conditions were right, and they parked

882
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: and they waited, and sure enough, in those conditions they

883
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: could see the headlights of the car that they had

884
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: parked several miles away. They actually they put out a

885
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: set of really awesome photos as well, because that morning

886
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: there was the inversion was still there and a mountain

887
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: range that was a plateau range that was over the

888
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: horizon was projected up and you can see in the

889
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: images as it's as the temperature is inversion is eliminated,

890
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: it looks like that mountain range sinks back into the horizon.

891
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: So it's really cool. And then they went back to

892
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: the car they left there and they found the battery

893
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: run flat and they didn't bring I'm surprised the car

894
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: was still there. But my main problem with with this theory.

895
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: What he has done makes total sense to me. What

896
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't clarify or fix for me is that when

897
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: we're driving cars around that are generating very very bright lights.

898
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: I get it, but two hundred years ago, the brightest

899
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: light at night was a campfire or the mood. So

900
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: it's and you would think that you would probably recognize

901
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: some of this, So I don't think that they would

902
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: be bright enough, and it doesn't work for me. I

903
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. It's only when we have

904
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: this technology. Here's the deal is that you know when

905
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: when the Aborigines were occupying Australia, you lived in a

906
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: fairly confined area that you ranged in and at night

907
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: you look over you look over that direction, and you

908
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: know there's not the hillside up there that somebody can

909
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: build a fire on. Right, there's no there's no campfire

910
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: on the hillside because that's just open flat range. But

911
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: if this, if this phenomenon is occurring, if there's somebody

912
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: over the horizon kind of up on the hillside that

913
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: built built themselves a nice, big, bright campfire and you're

914
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: seeing it, and you know that that cannot possibly be

915
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: where you're looking at because there ain't no hillside there.

916
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: I could see why that would give you the will

917
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: And I will add on to that that, like I

918
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: understand your whole it would be like you would be

919
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: able to see, like that's a fire looking at those

920
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: images from China for instance, right, you see, yeah, that

921
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: kind of looks like a city. Oh weird. But if

922
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: it's a campfire, and I'll agree with you with the

923
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: like brightness trying whatever is right, But I think that

924
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: like the shape, it's a light well, but I also

925
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: but I question how often they would be building big,

926
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: old bonfires. But but in fairness, it's not like the

927
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: Aborigines reported this like as a constant occurrence. It's something

928
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: that has been reported more and more with the more

929
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: technology in Australia, the preence of brighter lights. I understand that.

930
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: I still I like the the It just it doesn't

931
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: solve it all for me. If you if you read

932
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: the older accountings, it's especially the ones where it's you know,

933
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: moves towards and pass somebody. That's when I'm really like, way,

934
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: what the hell that doesn't that doesn't work? If indeed

935
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: it does pass somebody. Yeah, and I agree with that.

936
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: I think that I look at this phenomena basically being

937
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: kind of like a rainbow. Yeah, it's an optical illusion.

938
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: It's a it's a refraction, same thing. Actually a rainbow

939
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,959
Speaker 1: is just refraction also, but you know, try to catch

940
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: the end of a rainbow, can't you? But you can't. Really.

941
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: The other thing that this can't do is it can't

942
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: cast light at a specific point. In other words, if

943
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: you see it, it's an optical illusion. It's ways away.

944
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: It's not going to light up the ground underneath where

945
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: you see it, which people have said they have seen

946
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: it lighting up the area around it. So again that

947
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: there's there's something that either his theory is is bogus

948
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: or these people's accounts are bogus one of the two. Yeah, okay,

949
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: we're going to go onto theory number twenty seven. Yeah,

950
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: it's something like that. This theory is natural electrical discharges,

951
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: which I kind of discount um, And I'll be honest,

952
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: I I don't completely understand the science behind this, but

953
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and explain it anyway. So the

954
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: theory is that there are certain minerals in the area

955
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: that are undergoing some sort of mechanical stress, and that

956
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: stress is, as a result, creating an electrical charge, and

957
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: these things are able to retain that charge rather than

958
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: immediately dissipating it right back away, which I find hard

959
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: to believe. And it's at night that those charges are

960
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: then being let go, and that's what people are seeing.

961
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: And this, this process of things building up an electrical

962
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: charge through some form of mechanical action is known as

963
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: piezo electricity. I believe it's how you say it. And

964
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: that stress can be according to what I've read a

965
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: lot of different things. Um, it can be people say

966
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: it's tectonic forces, it's magnetic forces, it's vibrations caused by

967
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: sound or the striking of objects against one another, so

968
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: like sand against the rock and the wind maybe, and

969
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: it can be a lot of different materials, but apparently

970
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: they have to have some sort of crystalline structure to

971
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: them to be able to retain the charge. So it's

972
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: really kind of interesting, is that this theory, or this

973
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: this piezoelectricity, this is pretty common. It's actually what the

974
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: igniter on your barbecue does. That's how it works. Yeah,

975
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. It's pretty cool. Um, So, like

976
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: I said, it's it's the theory is that there are

977
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: multiple things building up charge in the day and then

978
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: at night they're letting it go, and that's what people

979
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: are seeing. The problem is that nobody has ever been

980
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: able to make but the smallest of sparks with this process. Yeah,

981
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: it's silly, no, it is. It's it's kind of like

982
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: the idea that you can you can apply like like

983
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: put two wires on a light bulb, cause the light

984
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: bulb to light up, and then lift the light bulb

985
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: off of those wires and float it through the air,

986
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: and the light bulb is going to stay lit up somehow.

987
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: That's that's that's basically what this series says. Yeah, yeah, yeah, essentially, Yeah,

988
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: it's ludicrous. Yeah, so it's it's luminescent bugs. Yeah. Next

989
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: theory is awesome because it had to be made in

990
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: the seventies, and that is psychic influence. And the theory,

991
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: if I understand it, which honestly I don't, is that

992
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,919
Speaker 1: the viewer is psychically projecting their thoughts ahead of them

993
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: and they are seeing that maybe and that's what this causing.

994
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't really explain how they're like passing in the night. Well, actually,

995
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's just the Freudian thing that explains it

996
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: better than the other theories, because if it's all in

997
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: your head, then sure the lights can go wherever they want.

998
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: That's all in your head. The lights don't pass through

999
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: things ever, which if they were all in your head,

1000
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: I would imagine that they could go anywhere that you looked. Yeah,

1001
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea on this one. Um the last

1002
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: theory that I have that I have, And then you're

1003
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: gonna parade out some something I don't know what it

1004
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: is yet, surprised if I had that black book that

1005
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: you have I'd have it out and you'd be tapping

1006
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: it as I do. I'm waiting, come on. Okay. Last

1007
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: theory that I have is that it is ghosts and

1008
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: or polter geist, to which I say, boom no. There

1009
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: there is some folklore to this. Western folklore says that

1010
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: these kind of lights typically they're people who have done

1011
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: bad things in their life and are then doomed to

1012
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: eternity to wander the world at night, and they are

1013
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: using this light to attract people and lead them astray.

1014
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: If you go to Eastern folklore, there's a similar vein. Uh.

1015
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes they say it's demons. Sometimes they say that it

1016
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: is local people who have died and are trying to

1017
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: help or maybe lead astray the other locals that are

1018
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: around them. I mean, the this is all based on

1019
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: like the Willow whisp Um folklore, which is really like

1020
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: there's some crazy, crazy stories that people have come up

1021
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: with to describe them, like extremely elaborate, Like you know,

1022
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: suddenly they deal with the devil and God and having

1023
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: a hell and like all these things get wrapped up

1024
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: into it, and it's really quite surprising. I didn't realize

1025
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: how big some of that was. Yeah, the thing about

1026
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: it is is like, if you look at all the

1027
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: evil people have died, all the dead bodies around the world,

1028
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: they're pretty evenly distributed. And yet this, this particularly occurs

1029
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: in only a few places. Well there's bad dead people, magnets. Yeah, yeah,

1030
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: maybe that's what it is. All the all the all

1031
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,919
Speaker 1: the bad people moved to and die in these these

1032
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: places that have meteorological Yeah, that that go on, which

1033
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: in which were there are these atmospheric inversions. That's where

1034
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: the evil people go to die. That must be what

1035
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, that's that's I don't know. I mean,

1036
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a big proponent of it being ghosts and

1037
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: Google's I have one okay, let's hear it. Meteor showers. Okay,

1038
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: let let me let's hear it. Okay, well with with

1039
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: like a few and this is just obviously going off

1040
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: of the list provided, right, but with one outlier, most

1041
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: of these fit pretty solidly into what I understand has

1042
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: been the history of the leund meteor showers in Australia.

1043
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's a different and I like went through

1044
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: kind of circled like, okay, this is a date that

1045
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: you know, a year where it was at its kind

1046
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: of peak, and I can understand how when you see

1047
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: something flaming coming out of the sky. I'm willing to

1048
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: say that part of it could be your perception of

1049
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: time pausing a little bit right, that things maybe aren't

1050
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: covering as much as you're like, oh my god, that

1051
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: thing and you just in your brain, Yeah, your brain

1052
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: makes it stand still. Have you seen a fireball thoughever?

1053
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: Have I personally? Yeah? Yeah, I saw one once years ago,

1054
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: and uh, it didn't last very long. No, but I

1055
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Speaker 1: think you know, if you're out by yourself in the

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Speaker 1: middle of nowhere and you're seeing you know, you're driving fast, right.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these are people in cars in modern times.

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Speaker 1: In modern times, there are people in cars driving fast

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Speaker 1: towards a thing that might be hurdling fast to the earth.

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Speaker 1: There could be a perception of that thing is getting

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Speaker 1: closer to me while I'm getting closer to it, and

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Speaker 1: so it's coming towards me, or it's going further away.

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Speaker 1: But a meteor does come down pretty quick, and people

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Speaker 1: have reported, you know, like fifteen or twenty minutes of

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Speaker 1: travel with this thing in pursuit, so that that causes

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Speaker 1: me pause. Yeah, the media don't last more than a

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Speaker 1: few seconds, granted, but during shower, right, Like, what's to

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Speaker 1: say that it's not like a bunch of different ones

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Speaker 1: because you're obviously not you're looking away, looking back, right, Okay, granted, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's not a great theory. But then the outlier here,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, and the outlier here would be the farmer

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Speaker 1: who was on its tractor. Oh, the guy who heard

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Speaker 1: the noise, and he said that it was it was

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Speaker 1: burning orange yellow, and then it turned green and then

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Speaker 1: it died out. And the sound that he was describing,

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Speaker 1: I would not say was unusual for like an actual

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Speaker 1: flame if it was. Yeah, there are some things you've

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Speaker 1: I've heard things when you've when they burn and they

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Speaker 1: make that high pitch norse. And actually, do you know

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Speaker 1: what burns green? Because it turns out not a lot

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Speaker 1: of things burned green? Borax? And do you know what

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Speaker 1: they use as fertilizers for crops? Borax? It's not just

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Speaker 1: for cleaning, Nope, not just for cleaning. So it's reasonable

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Speaker 1: to assume in my mind that something caught fire, whether

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Speaker 1: it was you know, again, like a meteor, but there

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Speaker 1: weren't really meteor showers at that time, but there was

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Speaker 1: something that caught fire behind a boulder and it was burning,

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Speaker 1: and he was just like's not it doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: have smoke. I mean, you've been in a chemistry lab

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Speaker 1: for long enough to know, yeah, something's actually burned pretty clean.

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Speaker 1: Especially they never let me in borax actually burns really clean.

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Speaker 1: This makes mentally no, but I mean, so that's one

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Speaker 1: of those interesting things where as soon as you start

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Speaker 1: talking about like, well it was green, like that's the

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Speaker 1: thing that burns clean, that probably that burns really hot,

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Speaker 1: that burns pretty fast, that can condense down, and that

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Speaker 1: is seen in areas of agriculture where this farmer would

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Speaker 1: have been. So I think there could be a combination

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Speaker 1: of things. I'm not saying that it's the best theory,

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Speaker 1: but I also do think it's interesting that these meteor

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Speaker 1: showers do seem to coincide pretty concretely with at least

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Speaker 1: the curated list that you've provided. And I think I

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Speaker 1: might be a danger because it is it just a

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Speaker 1: randomly curated list just for the different accounts through I

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Speaker 1: don't know, and you know, let's let's not forget that

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Speaker 1: there could be more than one explanations. Thank you. That

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Speaker 1: was where I was going to go next. We're out

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Speaker 1: of theories and there's a I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: single theory. I don't think no, I don't think so either.

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Speaker 1: I think that with as with a lot of unusual

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Speaker 1: natural phenomena, I think that this is probably a bucket

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Speaker 1: load of different things causing similar Yeah, everything from me,

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01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: like from refraction to mushrooms. But who was the room?

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Speaker 1: Was it mckimmon and mckimmon, What was the guy's name?

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Speaker 1: What guy the professor? That part the part the car

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Speaker 1: and yeah, what was his name? Yeah? There was no

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Speaker 1: m Yeah. Now, so Pedigrew, I think his theory actually

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Speaker 1: actually accounts for the vac the vast majority of sightings,

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Speaker 1: in that it's something that can't be caught up with

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Speaker 1: like a rainbow, which would describe an article over you know,

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Speaker 1: something over the horizon like the moon or a fire

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Speaker 1: or car headlights or whatever, and they're always moving away

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Speaker 1: from you of course. Okay, So yeah, I think that

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Speaker 1: accounts for the vast majority of them. Some of it

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Speaker 1: could be misreporting, could be outright lying, could be you know,

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Speaker 1: perhaps the influence of drugs. Yeah, I mean there's these

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Speaker 1: stories are are always as we know, anyone who's listened

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Speaker 1: to the show knows as well as us who have

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Speaker 1: done all the research, that how easily these stories can

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Speaker 1: be embellished and inflated. So that's not just not just

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Speaker 1: by the people who said they saw the thing, but

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Speaker 1: by well, yeah, by the people who the story. Some

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Speaker 1: of the older ones, it seems, may have been direct

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Speaker 1: accounting because they were in the newspapers and stuff, so

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Speaker 1: that gives you more of a concrete it doesn't it

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Speaker 1: doesn't morph as much if it's being told true to

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Speaker 1: what was in the paper. And again that's up for

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Speaker 1: actually said, because frankly, the press was not anywhere responsible

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Speaker 1: back in those days than they are today. So all right,

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Speaker 1: Well that's that's all I've got on the Men Men Lights. So,

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