WEBVTT - Ep. 65: CB Draft Prospects, Foye Extension & O-Zone Mailbag | Jags A.M. Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome in to jag Zam. I'm Kayannie Stevens. Are in

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<v Speaker 1>the month of April. Now free agency is behind us,

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<v Speaker 1>so now we're looking ahead to the twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>NFL Draft. Now, Brian Sexson is off today John Oser

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<v Speaker 1>is back with me here in studio. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do a deep dive as we start looking into potential

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<v Speaker 1>draft picks who may be coming to town and positions

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<v Speaker 1>of interest. Our big thing, number one is twenty three days,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's twenty three days until the first day of

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL Draft. Now, a lot of US preps started

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<v Speaker 1>months and months ago, but John, they're still looking into

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<v Speaker 1>things right now. Talking to people. How much of this

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<v Speaker 1>is set in stone at this point or is they're

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<v Speaker 1>still room to move about who they're looking at.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think their thoughts and their research on guys

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<v Speaker 2>is mostly set in stone. You're doing sort of punch

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<v Speaker 2>out work now, if you will, still setting the board.

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<v Speaker 2>Once they set that board, it's pretty much set in stone.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a couple of weeks down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>The work actually started for a lot of these guys

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<v Speaker 2>year year and a half ago. The area of scouts

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<v Speaker 2>actually are already looking ahead to next year's draft, most

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<v Speaker 2>likely with the setting of the board being done by

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the upper level guys, Trent Balke and his posse,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>The posse is getting all in on the big board,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll have more on that as the week's come along,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk a little bit more about prospects later

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<v Speaker 1>in the show. We do want to talk about our

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<v Speaker 1>second big thing, though, which is an extension for Foya

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis and the linebacker captain of this team. Last year

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<v Speaker 1>was on the final year of a three year deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but now we've seen a contract extension for him. John

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<v Speaker 1>This was something we weren't really sure he had a

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<v Speaker 1>big cap number this year, but now he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be around for a bit longer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's credit to him.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of free agents from the twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>class seman line to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Christian kirk Is the other guy comes in mind. This

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<v Speaker 3>might be down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually players who sign big free agent contracts are two

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<v Speaker 2>or three year players and don't really become part of

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<v Speaker 2>your core. The Air exceptions to that, but that's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the norm. Foya Lucan led the league and tackled

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<v Speaker 2>his first year with the Jags twenty twenty two, came

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<v Speaker 2>close again last year, solid player, became a little more

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<v Speaker 2>of a turnover guy last year. So he's locked up.

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<v Speaker 2>He's part of the core of this team. And credit

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<v Speaker 2>to him again, because that doesn't always happen with second

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<v Speaker 2>contract free agents on new teams. He's now a Jaguar,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say for life, but for the long

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<v Speaker 2>term doesn't always happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this extension due to just what the performances we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen on the field, or is it a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>an indictment against those two other guys that they drafted

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<v Speaker 1>just a year ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think as much to do with Devin Lloyd.

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps Chad Muma. They may have.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked at him as a possible replacement when they drafted

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<v Speaker 2>him in twenty twenty two. I think the year was

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<v Speaker 2>it all runs together. At my age, Ventrel Miller last

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<v Speaker 2>year when he was drafted seemed like a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>might be an inside back or starter at some point.

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<v Speaker 3>And totally get on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year at all, he was hurt, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>the circumstance and injury maybe more than an indictment.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, freeze up some money and he'll be here

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<v Speaker 1>to stay. So that's good leadership to have on this team.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking of that extension, there's another extension or new

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<v Speaker 1>contract that hasn't gotten done a waiting game. We're still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on Josh Allen. And now with those twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>days until the draft, John, we've talked about hoping this

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<v Speaker 1>deal gets done before the draft. Is that still the

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<v Speaker 1>plan or is this going to be something that dragged

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<v Speaker 1>out even further.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not sure there's that much.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, My experience with these is usually deadlines create deals.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that there's that much of a deadline

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<v Speaker 2>before the draft because they've already gotten through the league year,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're cap they're not trying to get under anything

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<v Speaker 2>in any sort of deadline like that. The deadline or

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure points might be more when they want to

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<v Speaker 2>sign the rookie class or get other deals done that

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<v Speaker 2>might prompt Josh. I don't know that the April twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fifth start of the draft is a magic deadline beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I think they'd like to get this

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<v Speaker 2>done and get it in order and sort of know

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<v Speaker 2>what these numbers are gonna look like. To me, the

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<v Speaker 2>two numbers that might matter the most for the next

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<v Speaker 2>five years, Josh's contract, in Trevor's contract. When it happens,

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<v Speaker 2>those will sort of set the template to the tent poles,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything else we worked around.

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<v Speaker 2>That when they're that big, and that perhaps even unusual

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get certain numbers in certain years. Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get that done before you start doing other things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it gets done before July fifteenth. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>really have a feel for any date beyond that with

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Josh Allen Contract Watch continues. We'll keep you

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on that, keep you posted.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break, we're going to look at

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<v Speaker 1>some of the cornerback prospects for this year's draft and

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<v Speaker 1>who the Jags might be targeting.

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<v Speaker 1>back to jag zam here in the Hyundai studios, Kan

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<v Speaker 1>Nannie Stevens, Brian Sexton not with us. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>next week. But John Osier is back in studio, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's really all we need this time in the year, John,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>No problem, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is sor all you need anyway, it's all we need.

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<v Speaker 1>Were worth.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk draft because we're gonna dive into this for

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<v Speaker 1>the next few weeks pretty much as we all try

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<v Speaker 1>to guess what's gonna go down and probably get it very,

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<v Speaker 1>very wrong. But we're gonna start with cornerbacks because that's

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<v Speaker 1>a position we've talked about obviously, that's a skill position

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<v Speaker 1>that you really only see maybe you know, a starting

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<v Speaker 1>cornerback in the first round less she gets super lucky

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<v Speaker 1>after the fact. So we're gonna look at some of

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<v Speaker 1>the picks that we have not necessarily mocked to us,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, just kind of the top availability in

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<v Speaker 1>the cornerback class this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, first of all, on corner I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>if you had to pick a position right now that

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<v Speaker 2>makes the most sense for him, it feels like corners.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet I know O lot of people are saying wide receiver,

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<v Speaker 2>the people are saying offensive line corner.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, it still feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>They might not only take one in the first round,

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<v Speaker 2>but might take one somewhere again.

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<v Speaker 3>By Dave, I mean not.

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<v Speaker 2>I say by day four, by round four, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like the biggest need, and it is a spot historically.

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<v Speaker 2>The good news on that to me, sometimes offensive linemen

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<v Speaker 2>can need more time, their certain positions need more time.

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<v Speaker 2>Corner is a position where guys can often come in

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<v Speaker 2>and be who they are right away.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a young man's position, right as we always say,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's good to get some young blood in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Quinyan and Mitchell is the guy from Toledo, which you

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<v Speaker 1>don't se see a lot of Matt Conference guys necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's someone where we're looking at. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>fall to seventeen, it might be something where you needed

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<v Speaker 1>to trade up. But he's kind of the CB one,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, starting out of this class.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and came out of nowhere a little bit, has

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<v Speaker 2>had a really good off season. He's a guy off

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<v Speaker 2>So when you go to Toledo, people come in with questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything you hear is that he's answered all those questions.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of the draft, seems right now like it

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<v Speaker 2>might be a little surprising if he's there at seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>You sort of mentioned during the break trading up. Boy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be surprised. If they trade up for a corner,

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<v Speaker 2>mainly because there's so many sitting there sort of in

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<v Speaker 2>the sweet in the sweet spot of number seventeen, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure there would be a trade up, But

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<v Speaker 2>if you love a guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Go get him fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper de John's probably one of the more versatile corners

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of Iowa. He's someone that I think people

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<v Speaker 1>think they could probably use in a multitude of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe safety as well, but just that versatility. That's something

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<v Speaker 1>we know. Trent Bulke likes a versatile player. But is

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<v Speaker 1>that someone that you could see in the system or

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<v Speaker 1>do you think maybe not.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think Caitlin Clark's off the board here, so.

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<v Speaker 1>She's too expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, for what they need, versatility makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting at corner, you feel like Darby, who they've signed,

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<v Speaker 2>Ronald Darby and Tyson Campbell are probably their outside corners

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<v Speaker 2>next year, possibly wanting to play inside, but it.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>The challenge for them, I think is trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who can be a long term outside corner

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<v Speaker 2>and play Nickel early. Cooper Jjohn with his versatility, could

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<v Speaker 2>fit that. Again, it sort of feels like you may

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<v Speaker 2>have to go up and get him at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 3>He makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know that he'd be available when they're picking, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think that versatility makes a lot of sense for him.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's go over those two Alabama guys, Terry Arnold,

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<v Speaker 1>Koley McKinstry one of those getting mocked to the Jaguars

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<v Speaker 1>quently that you've been seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Terry and Arnold has been mocked a lot. Kool

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<v Speaker 2>Aid I don't know as much about. I haven't studied

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<v Speaker 2>him quite as much. Terry and Arnold seems like the

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<v Speaker 2>guy right now that people think will be available with

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<v Speaker 2>fill in need. You know, there are people It's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting draft class for many positions with cornerby and one

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<v Speaker 2>of them where there's so many guys that it might

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<v Speaker 2>be a matter of how you think a guy fits

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<v Speaker 2>rather than oh they didn't go get the quote best guy. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a school thought here you can go get

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<v Speaker 2>the best guy for what you need. With Terran and

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<v Speaker 2>other players, there are people who think he might be

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<v Speaker 2>the best corner in the draft, even though he's only

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<v Speaker 2>ranked third or fourth right now. So it sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>he's a fit. It sounds like he's a guy who

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<v Speaker 2>would work him and be available. I've probably seen him

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<v Speaker 2>mocked more to the Jaguars than any other player.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe in the last two or three weeks, which means

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<v Speaker 3>means nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>That means we're not going to get him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's probably means nothing, probably what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally we'll look at Clemson product Nate Wiggins.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen him kind of move up and down a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Is he someone that would fit the system

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<v Speaker 1>as well?

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<v Speaker 3>Or well, good, good, good player.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh again, I have not sit here and poured through

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<v Speaker 2>tape on on Nate Wiggins or any of these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>but from what you hear, the size you even see

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<v Speaker 2>right there.

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<v Speaker 3>I never want to call an NFL player frail because

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<v Speaker 3>it's not that, but his size and frame.

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<v Speaker 2>Would it's going to scare some teams, and you wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if he fits When this team is getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>move to an aggressive man, demand guard the short pass,

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<v Speaker 2>be physical, you wonder if that fits what they.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>If he's the guy there, there's fit. And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>also the case of well, you don't want to pay

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<v Speaker 2>us on good players. So not ruling Nate Wagans out,

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<v Speaker 2>but the frame is what you hear pundits talk about

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<v Speaker 2>with Nate Wagans and the Jags.

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<v Speaker 1>Very good. Those are the top five we've got for cornerbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be looking at different positions the next

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<v Speaker 1>coming weeks. We'll look at a different position group and

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<v Speaker 1>what we think the Jags are going to be looking

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<v Speaker 1>at and the top prospects for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay with us though.

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<v Speaker 1>to jag Zam. Ozone is back with us, so we're celebrating.

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<v Speaker 1>We're do some ozone mail bag questions because John we

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<v Speaker 1>need your answers on all of the things.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, uh, I guess you did, Yes we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Our first question is about the offensive line. There's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of changes to that from what we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>so far. So Daniel from Johnston, Iowa wants to know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of iowant today. Are you satisfied with the

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<v Speaker 1>efforts made on fixing the O line thus far? He says,

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<v Speaker 1>not convinced yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not satisfied or unsatisfied. I guess I wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 2>what to expect. I thought that going into the off season,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that they might move on from Brandon Sheriff.

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<v Speaker 2>He his salary cap. That's the one thing that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>happen that I thought might happen. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily that they think they should have because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>good veteran player. I don't know that he's in the

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<v Speaker 2>prime of his career anymore, but he certainly you can

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<v Speaker 2>get by with good veteran guards you know how to play,

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<v Speaker 2>and he does. Beyond that, they resigned, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>signed Mitch Morse, they resigned Ezra Cleveland. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the important thing to remember about Ezra Cleveland. Everybody wants

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<v Speaker 2>to look at at what the Jaguars didn't say, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they only did one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know that we actually saw.

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<v Speaker 2>What Ezra Cleveland can really bring. Last year he played

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<v Speaker 2>five games. It never felt like he got in and

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<v Speaker 2>got into a rhythm. He was in and out of

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<v Speaker 2>the lineup.

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<v Speaker 3>Not his fault at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So there thought clearly is Cameraroms can go into his

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<v Speaker 2>eighth year.

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<v Speaker 3>Brandon Sheriff going.

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<v Speaker 2>Into his tenth, Mitch Morse going into his tenth, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Ezra Cleveland I believe going into his fifth or sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifth, maybe well the left side of that or the

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<v Speaker 2>first three guys I mentioned. That's a little old for

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<v Speaker 2>my taste, but they clearly look at it and say

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<v Speaker 2>we can get there. This is a veteran line who

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<v Speaker 2>knows what they're doing. They believe that there will be

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<v Speaker 2>continuity there. Age makes me wonder about the continuity. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the risk in the continuity card. But you

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<v Speaker 2>have to believe in something right now. They believe in

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<v Speaker 2>continuity veteran that this bunch can go do it. To

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<v Speaker 2>their credit, they also have some depth. They have Walker

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<v Speaker 2>Little there. You believe they'll have Luke Fortner. I also

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<v Speaker 2>think that somewhere on the first two days of the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you could see this position to dress to

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<v Speaker 2>get younger because Cam and Walker Little both in their

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<v Speaker 2>last year of their contract, and with Morrison Sheriff being

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<v Speaker 2>tenth of your guys, they need to draft and get

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<v Speaker 2>younger behind this now. But if they say healthy, it

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<v Speaker 2>can work. I think that's the big key. Can an

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<v Speaker 2>older line that hasn't been healthy in the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of seasons, stay healthy. To me, that's the storyline to

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<v Speaker 2>wash the offensive.

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<v Speaker 1>Line, health will certainly be an issue. We saw a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different lineups last year, so hopefully we can

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<v Speaker 1>avoid that this season. Second question we have for you

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<v Speaker 1>here today is going to be about two of the

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<v Speaker 1>defensive backs because we were just talking about cornerback. But

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<v Speaker 1>would you offer an extension to safety Andre Cisco or

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<v Speaker 1>cornerback Tyson Campbell this offseason to void an inflated number

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<v Speaker 1>after a possible Pro Bowl season this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think you can. I like both guys

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm pulling form to be core NFL players

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<v Speaker 2>that you pay. I think they have the potential to

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<v Speaker 2>be that, because I am I. I think they have

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<v Speaker 2>the potential to be that. I don't know that they've

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<v Speaker 2>shown enough of that yet to go sign them to

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<v Speaker 2>long term deals.

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<v Speaker 1>And they may not want that yet because you want

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<v Speaker 1>to prove yourself. You want to have a great season

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<v Speaker 1>before you sign that long term deal, because you might

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<v Speaker 1>not get that money that you're expecting. I think if

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<v Speaker 1>they were to give them an offer, it's probably not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the money of them would want right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what they ran into.

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<v Speaker 2>If you remember with Josh Allen last year, Yep, Jaywarsy've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of criticism for not signing Josh to

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<v Speaker 2>a long term deal when the bargain was there, when

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<v Speaker 2>you or when it was affordable. I never got the

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<v Speaker 2>idea at all ever, talking to Josh that he thought

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<v Speaker 2>that he had earned the long term deal that he

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<v Speaker 2>believed he was capable of, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe he knew he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was worth it, but also from a league point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>he hadn't shown that, so there was no way that

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<v Speaker 2>was going to get done before this offseason. I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of feel like to a lesser degree, Cisco and Campbell

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. I'm not sure that they are players

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<v Speaker 2>who will reach Josh's level at his position, But even so,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's any rush to do it, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it'd be a risk to do it at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, and I would be surprised if it was

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<v Speaker 2>on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it is on the table. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely something they'll look at next year, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine they would want to play a full, healthy

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<v Speaker 1>season both of those players to hopefully get their highest value.

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<v Speaker 1>Our final question today for the Ozone Nail Guy is

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<v Speaker 1>coming from Art in New Jersey says, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>new kickoff rules will be fun. Do you think they

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<v Speaker 1>will lead to more running backs returning kicks?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>My first thing was to say no because of the

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<v Speaker 2>injury factor, and then I sort of rethought it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit and read a little bit more about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it could. I don't think the Jaguars will use

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<v Speaker 2>Travis etn in that role unless.

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<v Speaker 3>Devin Durbiny were already get hurt, but it does.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason that running backs hadn't been used before was

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to risk your star players for injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I do think you could see more quote star

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<v Speaker 2>players playing back there. For the Jaguars, They've already got

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<v Speaker 2>their star returner, so it's gonna be interesting. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that we know the answer to this question yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it will evolve next season, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>you could get back to a point where teams are

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<v Speaker 2>putting Back in the day when Washington was really good,

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<v Speaker 2>they would put Darryl Green back there, who was an

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<v Speaker 2>all Pro cornerback, and when they needed it, they would

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<v Speaker 2>put him back on kicks.

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<v Speaker 3>It was mainly punts.

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<v Speaker 2>But point being, if you take the injury risk out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and it does look like this new format

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<v Speaker 2>will significantly take the injury risk away from the returner,

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe you we'll see more running backs.

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<v Speaker 1>You watch some of the setups they have for XFL

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. It just looks so strange. But I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>But it looks like the pace once they get going,

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<v Speaker 2>it does look strange, but the pace does feel more

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<v Speaker 2>like a running back's pace, if that makes any sense. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're sort of starting more from a standing position.

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<v Speaker 3>You're kind of building accelerate. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think a lot of this it is

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<v Speaker 2>to be played out. It'll take some innovative coach to

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<v Speaker 2>do something that'll work.

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<v Speaker 3>People will follow it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a good change I think we can agree on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'll be fun at least at least a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit different. Not I feel like every time we

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<v Speaker 1>get a rule change, we're always complaining. With this one,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of interested.

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<v Speaker 2>In well credited for trying something because the kickoff had

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<v Speaker 2>been taken out of the game. The shame is that

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<v Speaker 2>I I've yet to see anything that can bring the

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<v Speaker 2>on side kickback because the danger and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>on side kicked the way they've got it having to

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<v Speaker 2>tell teams you're going to do it and you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort of silly.

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<v Speaker 2>But they'll figure out a way to bring that element back,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the fourth and twenty five past they've been talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think this will add more excitement. It

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<v Speaker 2>had gotten to the point where we're sitting in the

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<v Speaker 2>press box and each other guy, we don't even bother

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<v Speaker 2>watching the kickoff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so then you sit down there, go get

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<v Speaker 1>a coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>That kind of stinks, So I think it'd be a

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<v Speaker 3>good thing to get it back.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, say what's here on Jagzam. We'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back after the break from the Hyundai studios here for

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<v Speaker 1>Jagsam closing things out. We mentioned off the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the show it's t minus twenty three days until the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in full draft mode.

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<v Speaker 3>John.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean for you? Are you looking into

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<v Speaker 1>all of these particular players or are you still trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I look at the first round realistically. I

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of laugh when I see seven round mock.

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<v Speaker 1>Drafts because they need to tell me the lottery numbers

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<v Speaker 1>if they can get all that well, the.

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<v Speaker 2>First rounds darted aboard anyway, and then once you get

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<v Speaker 2>into the sixth round, for me to try to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out who they might take in the sixth round. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>more power too if you can figure it out. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's mainly trying to look at positions and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get a feel for conceptually what they might do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not one to ever think you can grade a draft,

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<v Speaker 2>especially right out of the box, but I think you

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<v Speaker 2>can get a feel for did a team do what

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to do? Did they go need over best

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<v Speaker 2>available player? Which I think is always dangerous, especially as

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<v Speaker 2>you get deeper in the draft. So it's things like

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<v Speaker 2>that I try to figure out rather than trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get into the seventh round.

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<v Speaker 3>Defensive end talked.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit about trading for picks. Trent Bulk stockpiled

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of them last year. They have eight this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this something where if they were going to trade

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<v Speaker 1>up maybe try to get higher in first or second round.

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<v Speaker 1>Would that be something we see now wish or would

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<v Speaker 1>that be closer to actual drafts?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're gonna do the first round and you

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<v Speaker 2>have an early pick, you often see it. Now, You

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<v Speaker 2>rarely see it deep in the draft until the draft

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<v Speaker 2>because teams are usually trading up to somebody involved is

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<v Speaker 2>usually trading up to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Get a specific player.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're Trent right now and you're sitting at seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>is it worth it to try to go up to

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<v Speaker 2>nine when theoretically the guy that you're trying to go

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<v Speaker 2>up and get could be gone.

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<v Speaker 3>So you usually don't see that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when Sammy Watkins got traded for it's been

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<v Speaker 2>ten eleven years now, they knew they were gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>that trade.

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<v Speaker 3>My understanding is, but they had.

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<v Speaker 2>To wait until a couple of guys got off the

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<v Speaker 2>board to make sure he was going to be available

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<v Speaker 2>to get there, And that's that's sort of the common

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<v Speaker 2>thing is I think magical about the Sammy Watkins story.

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<v Speaker 2>One interesting thing about this draft, it is not considered

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<v Speaker 2>a very deep draft. Last year's was maybe the deepest ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Next year is supposed to be very very deep. This

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<v Speaker 2>year is not considered great in the sixth or seventh round,

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<v Speaker 2>so that can.

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<v Speaker 3>Play into.

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<v Speaker 2>It can theoretically make trading more difficult because people really

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about getting anything. Then so you're not really

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<v Speaker 2>going to be getting people to give up anything to

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<v Speaker 2>get into those rounds.

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<v Speaker 3>So will that play out that way?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not, because usually once guys get into the sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seventh round, they figure out something that they like and

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<v Speaker 2>they get antsy and they want to trade.

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<v Speaker 3>But not considered a very deep drift.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, we will deep dive into this. As

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, we're going to be talking about it for

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<v Speaker 1>the next twenty three days, so we'll keep you covered there.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you back here next week on jag Zam.