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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,

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Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. She allegedly killed her

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Speaker 1: two toddlers and showed the gruesome scene to the baby's

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Speaker 1: father on a video call. It was like a real

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Speaker 1: horrid mole. I mean it was a Friday. Neighbors told

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Speaker 1: me the apartment smelled like death, a smell indicating the

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Speaker 1: bodies may have been there for a few days. This

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Speaker 1: was something that we saw could possibly happen. She's had

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Speaker 1: issues from a baby. Williams told police she left the

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Speaker 1: Neighbors say they don't believe that is what happened at all.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now at the courthouse, Daniel Wilkerson from

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Speaker 1: CBS for six. Daniel, Let's start at the beginning. What

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Speaker 1: they had burned to their body. We know that police

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Speaker 1: wrong in the town too. Joseph's got Morgan death investigator

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Speaker 1: Neighbor said the home smelled like death. Now, I gotta

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Speaker 1: To me, when someone says the smell of death, automatically

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Speaker 1: and so that can be quite off putting. Two little children,

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Speaker 1: Back out to Daniel Wilkerson's CBS forty six at the

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Speaker 1: courthouse right now, Daniel, what can you tell me about

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Speaker 1: photos or videos? Yeah, apparently the mother after this happened.

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Speaker 1: that big time. Oh stars, whoa, whoa, Daniel Wilkerson, CBS

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Speaker 1: How does that happen? Daniel? What do we know about

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Speaker 1: dragged off by coyote? I mean, come on, can somebody

427
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: help me out here and get real, Joe Scott, let's

428
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: talk about reality. The dad admits he puts the baby outside,

429
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: He looks back at fifteen minutes and she's gone. So

430
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: you're telling me you want me to pretend that end

431
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: that what fourteen minute window, coyotes drag her off like

432
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: the Dingo story, which actually turned out to be true.

433
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: But do you want me to believe that's what happened

434
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: or in that fifteen minutes at three a n a

435
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: kidnapper came by and took the girl. I gotta tell you,

436
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't believe anything from a man that

437
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: is telling me he put a three year old outside

438
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night as punishment. I'm not

439
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: buying that. So I'm gonna look as an investigator. I'm

440
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna look at every possible scenario here, and if he

441
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: put that child in the car and took her away,

442
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: or walked her off into the night, or allowed scavengers

443
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: to come after her, then we need to to exhaust

444
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: every possibility that we still felony murder. Even if that's true,

445
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: it can still be prosecuted as felony murder because that's

446
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: felony child abuse to endangerment and a death occurred. That's

447
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: what felony murder is, any death that occurs in the

448
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: commission of a felony. I hadn't heard a word about mommy.

449
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: I wonder what mommy is doing right now. She and

450
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing more laundry. But what about the fact that

451
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: we know now, Lee Egan, Crime Online Investigative reporter, the

452
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: Amber Alert has been discontinued. That is true because they

453
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: don't have any additional clues to go on to keep

454
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: the Amber Alert active. And the mother she lawyered up

455
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: almost immediately. She's not talking, not cooperating. Nobody even knows

456
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: where she is at this point. Why is that? Dr

457
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: Tiffany Sanders, why aren't if it's true what Lee Egan

458
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: is telling me that the mom is not operating. If

459
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: it's true, why is that what? You want to try

460
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: to find the daughter? Absolutely, she would want to find

461
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: try to find her daughter. This is someone that you

462
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: paid thousands of dollars to adopt this young girl from

463
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: a different country. I wanted a little girl. You wanted

464
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: this child. So you're gonna be protecting her. You're going

465
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: to be ensuring that every stone covered, every evidence has

466
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: been sorted through. So the fine that she is being

467
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: evasive and not communicating, that's contrary to a caring, nurturing

468
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: mother and I will I am really suspicious of her behavior. Nancy,

469
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: I am too. I'm very suspicious. I don't like it.

470
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: Another issue, you know, Karen Smith, forensics expert, you mentioned

471
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: about the suv that apparently is spotted leaving the home

472
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: that morning, early early morning. You're talking about a chip

473
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: in the suv. Explain right what they're gonna do, Like

474
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: you have any hit and run or car accidents that

475
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: that it results in the fatality, They're going to pull

476
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: these computer chips in any newer car. It shows breaking,

477
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: it shows speed, it shows when the car is active

478
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: and when it's not. They pulled the computer chip apparently,

479
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: and the car had been driven for approximately an hour.

480
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: Let's narrow that down. Uh, we'll talk about sixty miles

481
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: an hour for one hour. Going forward to wait a minute,

482
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: you're saying that you know it was the car was

483
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: gone for an hour. That's what they're reporting that it

484
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: was gone for two, four a m. And five am.

485
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: So that's about a thirty mile search radius. Like Joe

486
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Scott said, you start at the beginning, You start with

487
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: a small radius. If you don't find anything, we expand out.

488
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: Now they're dealing with approximately thirty miles in every direction

489
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: for where this suv may have gone. That is a

490
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: huge area to search. Um, but they have to do it.

491
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, if the car left and came back, I

492
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: seriously doubt whoever was driving it went to go get coffee.

493
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: Uh there was something. Why would you? Why would you

494
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: leave when you realize your daughter's missing, unless you're going

495
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: looking for her? Crime Online investigative reporter le Agan how

496
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: do How did we first learn who reported the Sharon missing?

497
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: The father reported her missing five hours after he put her.

498
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: He reportedly put her outside, so he went back inside,

499
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: checked on her. Fifteen minutes later, she was gone, went

500
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: back in, did laundry, drove somewhere for an hour, waited

501
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: another couple of hours. Five hours passed before he called police.

502
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: Let's just let's process this. So the dad, Wesley Matthews,

503
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: tells police, he sends his baby in her pjs at

504
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: three am to stand all alone by a tree across

505
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: an alley from their home in the Dallas area, Texas.

506
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: It's Richardson, Texas. Now. This is, according to him, her

507
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: punishment when she refuses to drink milk three am when

508
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: he goes to look for the baby, don't know where

509
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: mommy is. In this scenario, when he goes to look

510
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: for baby Sharon, just fifteen short minutes later, according to him,

511
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: she's gone, but he's not worried that she's gone, because

512
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: then he goes back inside and does a load of laundry. Now,

513
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: this is according to a sworn police affidavit in he

514
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: waits until after the sun comes up before he as

515
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: Lee Egan is telling us reports the baby is gone. Okay,

516
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: that's not all. Detective search to the home midweek, which

517
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: I think is too late, and announced that somebody left

518
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: in the family's suv around four o'clock a m the

519
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: day Sharon goes missing and returns within the hour, as

520
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: according to detectives. Now, he was apprehended on child endangerment

521
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: and then has been released and has stopped cooperating with detectives.

522
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: Now the mom says she was asleep during the whole thing,

523
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: but according to sources, she has stopped cooperating. This is

524
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: another troubling issue to Alan Duke joining me. CPS Child

525
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Protective Services, according to Repole, has had unquote unspecified contact

526
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: with the family before Sharon goes missing. Now, can can

527
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: somebody explain how CBS has already been at the home

528
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: for something and the baby is still there and then

529
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: neither parents shows up for the vigil. It was a

530
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: vigil for a little girl and the parents don't even

531
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: bother to come, Alan, Is that true? Yeah, that's what

532
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: I understand. And unfortunately, this is a thread that we've

533
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: seen in other stories that you and I disturbing stories

534
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: of child abuse that you and I have covered. The

535
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: very same day, police get a tip to go and

536
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: scour a cemetery near the edge of Richardson for signs

537
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: of baby sharing. This little girl has already seen so

538
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: much heartache in her life. She was born in India

539
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: and then she gets past from one place to the next.

540
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: God only knows what happened to her and all those

541
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: places she was sent before she gets adopted. She was

542
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: abandoned by her parents before her second birthday, adoption workers

543
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: rescue her, and it's according to the adoption agency, the

544
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: baby would wait for hours on the stairs until a

545
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: worker she called nanny would show up, and then she

546
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: would run and hug the woman. I was just breaking

547
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: my heart. Her parents abandoned her. She's passed from place

548
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: to place, and finally at the adoption agency, a worker

549
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: shows her love and a little baby will sit on

550
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: the stairs to sit there until that employee shows up

551
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: and then run to her and call her nanny as

552
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: I only love this child ever got then miracle she

553
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: gets adopted just outside Dallas, where she meets her new sister,

554
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: who's one year older than her. At age three, she

555
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: only weighs twenty two pounds. Her dad says she had

556
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: an eating disorder. He says in a small hours of

557
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: the morning, he couldn't get her to drink her meal.

558
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: Why are you feeding a child at three a m.

559
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: And that's when he sends her outside a hundred feet

560
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: that's a third of a football field from the house,

561
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: behind a fence and across from an alley known to

562
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: be infested with coyotes. Hold on, take this in a

563
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: hundred feet Joe Scott Morgan from the house, behind a

564
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: fence and across the alley. I wouldn't even let my

565
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: children get that far out of my sight and normal

566
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: waking daylight hours with me with them, forget it, across

567
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: a fence a hundred feet away from me. Anything could happen, Yeah, Ken,

568
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: And she is completely and totally defenseless. She subjected to

569
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: all of the elements and anything else that's out there,

570
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: no one to protect her, nancy in this dark, horrible

571
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: in a set of circumstances. And you know at the

572
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: end of the day, he's trying to give her milk.

573
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I can't tell you, and I know you've done this.

574
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: Why didn't Why didn't he just put her in his

575
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: arms and sitting a rock and shat and rocker and

576
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: sooth her. Why did he have to take her and

577
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: stick her out in the middle of the night. And

578
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: how did mommy sleep through the whole thing? This is

579
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: what I know. Candles and flowers are now marking the

580
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: spot where Sharon was said to have last been seen.

581
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: For anyone with information, please please call nine seven to

582
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: seven four four dred repeat nine seven to seven four

583
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: four four eight hundred. A little girl has gone missing

584
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: from her home, her name Sharon, and according to police,

585
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: her father, Wesley Matthews, sends his daughter and her pj's

586
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: at three a m. To stand alone beneath a tree

587
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: across an alley from the home as punishment for refusing

588
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: to drink milk. Take a listen to what mommy's defense

589
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: lawyer has to say. Ms Matthews has previously participated with

590
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: the Richardson Police Department. She's distraught over the loss of

591
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: her son, her daughter, Sharon Matthews. She does not know

592
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: the whereabouts and all she wants is for her daughter

593
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: to be returned. You may wonder why she has retained

594
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: legal counsel. She's participated with the Richardson Police Department and

595
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: her biological child was removed from her house. All she

596
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: wants is her daughter back, Sharon Matthews, and wants her

597
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: biological daughter back. And with regard to why an individual

598
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: may retain counsel, everybody has right to legal counsel. The

599
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: mere fact that Wesley may be accused of a crime

600
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: is not indicative of Ms. Matthews. Under the rules of ethics,

601
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: an attorney cannot represent multiple parties that may or may

602
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: have a conflict. There is no conflict. At this point,

603
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: there's been no accusations of wrongdoing against miss Matthews, and

604
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: at this time they would request their privacy. All they

605
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: want is their daughter back, Sharon Matthews. Why have we

606
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: not heard from the mirror? The mere fact that you

607
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: do not hear from a person who's mourning some individuals

608
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: more indifferently. The mere fact that she may walk up

609
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: and down the street and react differently to a time

610
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: of trauma is not indicative of anything. Can you speak

611
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: to her in the emotional statement? How how is she

612
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: doing right now? Well, she's distraught and as you're all aware,

613
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: they adopted Sharon, they love Sharon. Sharon did have medical

614
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: conditions and they have worked with trying to get those

615
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: medical conditions under control. You've heard the Richardson Police Department

616
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: talk about that Sharon did have a eating disorder. The

617
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: mere fact that she had an eating disorder is not

618
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: indicative of this case. What happened to Sharon? That's she's distraught?

619
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: Is she handing by Wesley? Is she standing by Wesley

620
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: and his account of what happened? She has previously spoken

621
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: to the Richardson Police Department and provided cooperation with the

622
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: richards and Police department, and the fact that there may

623
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: be other conversations that may have occurred by between the

624
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: third parties and Wesley. She's not aware of those. Is

625
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: she hopeful? She is. She's very hopeful that her daughter

626
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: will be returned. Has she or Wesley ever hurt Little Sharon?

627
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Have you all had? But they have had

628
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: contact with CPS. What's that about. We're not at liberty

629
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: to discuss that, but they have. We're not at liberty

630
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: to discussed that. Lee Aigan Police are asking the public

631
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: for something very very specific. What is it? Yes, they are.

632
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: They're asking people, businesses, people with homes with security cameras

633
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: to please take a look at their footage on the

634
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: morning of October seven and to see if they see

635
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: a two thousand and thirteen maroon accurate m d X.

636
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: They're trying to get a timeline going. They're trying to

637
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: maroon Acura. Um yes, m d X. This is where

638
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Richardson Police Department is saying, quote, we'd like to thank

639
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Speaker 1: those who have provided tips and video up to this point.

640
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: I wonder what that video is, Karen Smith. What video

641
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: are they talking about? It could be anything from just

642
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: a drive by of a business that was closed that

643
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: happens to have a surveillance camera out front. That would

644
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: be really helpful because right now we have no directionality

645
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: and no destination of where the suv went. So they're

646
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: looking for any and everything at this point. So anybody

647
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: that has anything, yeah, please get that to the Richardson

648
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: police as soon as possible. You know, it can be

649
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: subpoena Joe Scott Morrigan. And it's been done before through

650
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: different providers. It can be radio, it can be um,

651
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 1: what what do you get to call a north Star

652
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: and a lot of vehicles in new on Star thank you,

653
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: in newer models it's never handed over willingly. It has

654
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: to be subpoena. But that's you know, just filling out

655
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: a form and going to a judge and it will

656
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: tell you where a car has gone in these smart cars,

657
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I wonder if that's been done or not.

658
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure that it has Newsy but this

659
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: goes back to the bigger point that that you and

660
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Karen have already touched on. Let's keep in mind we

661
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: have got this five hour gap and this idea of

662
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: timing setting this time on in in death investigation, Crime

663
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: seeing investigation. We work on linear time, So this idea

664
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: of trying to pace him or the vehicle wherever it's

665
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: going at different geographic locations, we can plot that and

666
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: this might be actually a key to determining where sharing

667
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: is or where she was let go or where she

668
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: was placed. And this is going to be essential to this.

669
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: And police Department is saying we would like to thank

670
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: those who have provided tips and video up to this point.

671
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: We are diligently working our way through all the material

672
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: we continue to request. As Lee Egan just told us

673
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: businesses and residents within a thirty minute drive of the

674
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: nine hundred block of Sunningdale to check your video system

675
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: see if there's any footage that may have captured a

676
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen Maroon Acura m d x M mother

677
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: D dog X SUV on Saturday, October seven between four

678
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: am and five am. It's important this check be conducted

679
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: before a system overwrite may take place. Thank you for

680
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: your assistance. That's a news release and um Lee, if

681
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: you don't mind, could you re send that out for

682
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: us on the Crime Online website just so our readers

683
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: can help with that. We're doing everything we can think

684
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: of to try and bring baby sharing home. After all,

685
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: this child has lived through in life already. The little

686
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: girl adopted from Nalanda missing now in the U s.

687
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: She comes this far only to go missing now. The mother,

688
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: according to the Dallas Morning News, is quote distraught but

689
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: still quote hopeful the little girl will be found. The

690
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: lawyer for the mom says that, I mean the mom

691
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: has the distressed quote distraught mom has gotten a criminal defense.

692
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: Lawyer says that it's can't star. All she wants is

693
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: for her daughter to be returned. Interesting, isn't it? Karen Smith,

694
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: she wants her all. She wants her daughter to be returned,

695
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: but according to sources, she's not cooperating with police. I

696
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: don't understand that dichotomy. I don't understand it either. If

697
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: you want your daughter to be returned, you are giving

698
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: every single shred of information to them that you can provide,

699
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: not lawyering up and saying that you know you were

700
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: quote unquote asleep when all this happened. Why would you

701
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: lawyer up if you're asleep? Why did you not go

702
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: to the vigil? Too many question marks for me as

703
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: an investigator. Well, jos got Morrigan when he Starr was

704
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: asked why the mom had retained a lawyer. He says

705
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: that Cney has operated a police Now that's different from

706
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: what we were told, that she's not cooperating, and that

707
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: quote everybody has a right to legal counsel. Well, yeah,

708
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: we all have a right to legal counsel. But I'm

709
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: not running out and hiring a lawyer right now because

710
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't need one, right I'm gonna yeah, you don't.

711
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: And also, as a parent, if my child is missing,

712
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: the last person I want to talk to is a lawyer.

713
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: I want to talk to the public so that I

714
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: can get the word out because time's wasting. TikTok, TikTok.

715
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Every time we move further and further out from that

716
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: moment time which this child disappeared, the slimmer the chances

717
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: are that we're gonna be able to recover her. That's

718
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: that's the conundrum here. Why do you go and get

719
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: an attorney in these circumstances. Well, the lawyer says, quote,

720
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: they adopted Sharon, They love Sharon, he said of the family.

721
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: And he was asked why isn't the mom spoken publicly,

722
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: and he says, quote, some individuals moren differently. Okay. According

723
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: to police, the search of the home was part of

724
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: the quote natural progression of the investigation. And I am

725
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: looking at the home right now. It looks like a mansion.

726
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean, have you got Jackie look at this. If

727
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: you got seen this house, it looks it's it is

728
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: some crib. Let me tell you. It's huge, red brick,

729
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: It's got all the outdoor lighting and beautiful hedge. You

730
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: know what, This is not exactly what I pictured when

731
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: we were talking about an alley in a street and coyotes.

732
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: This looks like it should be on that It is

733
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: that show still on the air, Homes of the Rich

734
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: and Famous, or how about pent my crib. No, I

735
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: don't know. This is huge. This looks like it should

736
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: be on a reality TV show, like like where the

737
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: Kardashians have their fake home. It's humongous. These people must

738
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: be rolling in dough. Okay. The dad, Wesley Matthews, is

739
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: just thirty seven years old, and uh he is out free,

740
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: and so is the mom. I'm just telling you the

741
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: completely different Everybody. Look at the picture of the home

742
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: right now. Now. The Humane Society says that coyote attacks

743
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: are rare, but Matthews. The dad admits to police he

744
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: knew coyotes had been in the alley when he sent

745
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: the daughter out there. Lea Egan Crime Online. Is that true? Yep,

746
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: that is absolutely true. He knew, he admitted right off. Like,

747
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: why would he do that? Why would he send that

748
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: baby out there knowing that caloites were there? It just

749
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: makes no sense. Also, after looking around for her, he

750
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: ad ments he went inside to do laundry and quote

751
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: decided to wait until it was light outside to continue

752
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: searching for her or for her to return on her own. Okay.

753
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: According to k x a s TV NBC five, why

754
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: was the last sighting at three o'clock and the parents

755
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: not call until a a m. That's the question we

756
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: want answered. This is police telling k x a s

757
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: quote as far as why she was out there, how

758
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: long she was out there, that's questions we have for

759
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: the parents right now. The baby's mom does not face

760
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: any charges. Reportedly asleep and unaware of what her husband

761
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: was doing inside their mansion. Police go door to door

762
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, using search dogs and helicopters looking for

763
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: Sharon they have so far. This is where the security

764
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: footage comes from I mean, once I saw that house,

765
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: I guarantee you every house on that street has video

766
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: cameras out the yin yang uh, security footage, electronics and

767
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: items in the family's three vehicles. The three vehicles were

768
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: towed from the home on Saturday. Karen Smith, what do

769
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: you why do you think they took all three vehicles

770
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: and what are they hoping to find? The one left

771
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: for an hour and came back. But you know what,

772
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: they need to take any and everything that may be

773
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: related to something bad that may have happened, and that

774
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: includes all of the vehicles. They're not going to leave

775
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: any stone unturned at this point, which is why they

776
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: they issued a search warrant and knocked on the door

777
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: with that and now they're in the home, mean it

778
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: for all of the forensic evidence that they can possibly get,

779
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: that includes the cars. We also know, Joseph Scott Morgan

780
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: that police retrieved an item from near that tree where

781
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: the dad claimed Sharon was left alone, and they placed

782
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: the item in a back But right now we don't

783
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: know what the item was or whether it's of any

784
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: evidentiary value. Um the Amber Lord has been discontinued only

785
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: because of insufficient tips to go on, and they've got

786
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: to have a specific vehicle or suspect for that amber

787
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: alert to continue. Joe Scott Morgan. I also understand Joe

788
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 1: Scott that others from the Emmanuel Bible Chapel, the church

789
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: where they went, had a search. They searched a field

790
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: and other areas near the family home and claimed that

791
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: they were good parents. Maybe they've got a different idea

792
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: of good parent than I do. I think that that

793
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: when you're around somebody all the time, like like these

794
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: people are, uh, you don't want to assume the worst

795
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: of someone, particularly if they're a member of your particular group. Um.

796
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: So it's hard, it's hard to even conceptualize many times

797
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: for people to think that, oh my gosh, they have

798
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: done something horrible to their child. But that aside, that, aside,

799
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: this piece of evidence that they found at the scene

800
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: that is at this point unknown. We we work on

801
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: an on an idea in forensics, Nancy that that talks

802
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: about connectivity. It talks about every contact lead in the trace.

803
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: If that piece of evidence, if that evidence has sufficient

804
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: biological evidence on it, they're going to try to develop

805
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: that entire the fact. Whatever the event was that brought

806
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: sharing it's in state at this point of time. Baby

807
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: Sharon has developmental issues and limited verbal skills, probably because

808
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: of being so malnourished and is treated before she was adopted.

809
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: Is described as Asian. She's about three ft tall. She

810
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: only was twenty two pounds with dark care and beautiful

811
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: old brown eyes. Baby Sharon was last saying wearing a

812
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: pink top, black pajama bottoms and pink flip flops. She

813
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: was adopted from an India orphanage. Let's all continue our

814
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Speaker 1: prayers and our hopes that this little girl is found

815
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: safe and then finds a loving home. That's our prayer

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