1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Did you know what planes they don't do the orgasm scene. 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: Really, they cut it off right before. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 3: That's so shocking to me because then it's r rated. Well, 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 3: I just feel like I'm sort of watching. I like 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 3: to see what other people are watching on airplanes, and 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: like it gets pretty inappropriate from time to time. 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: You know, the woman who said I'll have what she's 8 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: having is his mom. 9 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 3: Oh no, I love a cameo so much. Wait, that's amazing, 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: and she is the star of the show. Lady, she 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 3: heals the show. 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's Rob Briner's. 13 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 4: Mom and a Sydney Sweeney And. 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: I'm Hopewitard and welcome to boys Over, a space where 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: we're learning and un learning all the myths were taught 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: about love and relationships. The leaves are changing, the temperature 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: is dropping, and the chunky knit sweaters are in full rotation. 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: For Boiceover's second rom com roundtable, we're talking all about 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: the ultimate fall rom com, when Harry met Sally. A 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: big part of my Boysover journey has been unlearning the 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: stories we've been taught about love and relationships, including the 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: ones we've absorbed from the movies we've watched and loved 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: for years. Some of them are timeless, others not so much, 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: which is why we're doing this rom com Roundtable series 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: so that we can reevaluate the stories that have helped 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: shape our expectations. Today, we're tackling a true classic, When 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 3: Harry Met Sally, directed by Rob Reiner and written by 28 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: Nora Efron. In case you need a refresher on the 29 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: Billy Crystal Meg Ryan movie, here's what you need to know. 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: Harry and Sally first meet when they drive together from 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: Chicago to New York after graduating college. The two couldn't 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: be more opposite of each other, and things quickly get 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: off to a rocky start when they debate the question 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: can men and women be friends. Throughout the years, their 35 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: paths keep crossing, and eventually they do become friends, and slowly, 36 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: accidentally and not without complications, they fall in love. To 37 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 3: discuss the film, I brought on two of my dear 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: comedian friends, Nicki Martin and Andy Spector, because they are 39 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: mega fans of this movie. There is so much to 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: discuss here, So make yourself a pastrami sandwich with all 41 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: the fixens on the side and settle in. Nicky, Andy, 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: Welcome to boyover. We're here today to talk about When 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: Harry Met Sally. Yes, and Andy, the first time I 44 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: met you, you told me it's your favorite movie ever. 45 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: In a regular year. For me, I watched When Harry 46 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 5: Met Sally once a month. 47 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, a regular amount. 48 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 4: A regular amount. Of course, they don't get sick of it. 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 5: As soon as I watch it, I'm like ready to 50 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 5: restart it. 51 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 4: It's the perfect length of. 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: A movie, really, because I think it's a little long. 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 5: You think When Harry Met Sally is long? 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: I do? 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 3: You think it's a little long. 56 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: So one of my favorite movies is The Princess Bride, which. 57 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Is also Rob Brian Rob Reiner. 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: And when Rob Reiner was filming it, he was also 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: still going through the script of When Harry Met Sally, 60 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: and I was watching an interview with Nora and Rob 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: and they talked about how he pitched the movie to her. 62 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: Originally I wrote this down. He said, two people become 63 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: friends at the end of the first major relationship of 64 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: their lives. They make a decision to not have sex 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: because it will ruin the friendship, and then they have 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: sex and it ruins the friendship totally. 67 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: And that was the. 68 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: Pitch originally for the movie, and they were never supposed 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: to get together at the end. 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: Ah, so why did they end up getting together? Who 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: made that decision? 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: He met his wife on the set? 73 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: Oh my goot? 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, well like during the filming. 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, he met his wife during the filming. So 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: then they decided they were like, oh, love does prevail 77 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. And so I wonder when you were like, 78 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: the movie's a little bit too long, I wonder if 79 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: it would have been the perfect amount for you. 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: Totally they had taken out if it had ended, but 81 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: it would not have felt like the movie would not 82 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 3: have felt correct if they didn't get back together, it would. 83 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 4: Not be my favorite movie. 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,119 Speaker 3: Wait, I want to know your thoughts on something, Andy, 85 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: because I had a friend say to me the other 86 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: day that they really don't like Billy Crystal's character and 87 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: when Harry met Sally, I've thought. 88 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 4: A lot about that. How do you? 89 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, what do he? 90 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: The more I watch When Harry Met Sally, the more 91 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 5: I appreciate the character development through the movie. 92 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 4: Billy Crystal is an asshole. 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 5: Like objectively, I think he's always a little bit of 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 5: an asshole throughout the whole movie, but he is especially 95 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 5: an asshole. At the start, he's low key, hike y 96 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 5: sexist in his opinion on whether he can be friends 97 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 5: with women. 98 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: But when time goes by. 99 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 5: He literally apologizes and then embraces the friendship. And then, 100 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 5: since I'm talking about character development, I also really recognize 101 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 5: Sally's because the movie literally starts with her going into 102 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 5: a diner and getting uncomfortable at the talk of sex, 103 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 5: and then there's the Cat's Deli scene, which I would 104 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 5: maybe call a diner and she does the orgasm stuff. 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: Gotta love this movie. 106 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: I think it's all about people's relationship with love and 107 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: the different types of love. 108 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: And as much. 109 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: As he is an asshole, he's I mean, he's Billy Crystal, 110 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: that's like his arm. I think he's also an asshole 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: in the same way that monsters inc. Yeah, I'm sorry, 112 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: Like when he went on a date with his girlfriend 113 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: in the sushi restaurant or whatever kind of an asshole 114 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: he like, he has a shtick. 115 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's charming, right of course. 116 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: And because Nora is a journalists, I know she like 117 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: interviewed the people in the cast and Rob Reiner and 118 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: everyone to get that truthfulness, and I think she said 119 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: it was horrifying hearing what the men had to say. 120 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: And so she took that. 121 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: Those flaws and put them into the character which made 122 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: them so human, which is why I mean, they just 123 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: had two great actors put the camera on a tripod 124 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: said shoot. 125 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 5: I think I read that because Rob Reiner and Billy 126 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 5: Crystal were close friends and she would listen to their 127 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 5: conversations and that. 128 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: That's probably what she said was horrifor there's so much 129 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: just like truth in the characters. Like what they said 130 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: with the original pitch is that they meet each other 131 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: after the biggest breakup of their lives so far. So 132 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: they're not great people, no, But what. 133 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: I really love about this movie is like them being 134 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: able to maintain a friendship after those breakups rather than 135 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: sort of just like using each other to get over 136 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: you know, like another romantic thing to get over your 137 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: last one. 138 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: Well, I think love comes from authenticity, and I think 139 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: they are authentic with each other. And that's what makes 140 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: it so compelling is that that authenticity they're not used 141 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: to that they lie to have sex or they lie 142 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: to have a relationship, like they use lies as a 143 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: method of progressing, you know, relationships. 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: Within their life. 145 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: But the authenticity brings them together. 146 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: You're talking about the characters are all men characters. 147 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm do you think about how like when you're 148 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: romantic with someone, you lie, like you're in a friendship 149 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: with someone, you're pretty honest like And it's like Billy 150 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: Crystal says that when he's like, I don't have to 151 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: lie to her because I'm not trying to like sleep 152 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: with her or whatever, like they and that's the beginning. 153 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: Like truly in my mind during the baseball scene is 154 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: like where I see them accidentally falling in love. That 155 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: being on the phone for hours that night. 156 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god, the phone calls are so romantic. Like 157 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: one of my favorite things about the movie is just 158 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: like everyone getting on the phone all the time. You know, 159 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, I missed that. 160 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: So bad real quick. 161 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 5: But I just want to acknowledge carry Fisher and Bruno 162 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: Kirby when they pick up the phones and it's the 163 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 5: split screen, they had two lines. 164 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 2: Crazy. 165 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: That's a couple of yappers, a couple's crazy. 166 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: But I have a question, do you think it was 167 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: toxic that he kept following up with her that like 168 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: she was giving him space, like after they did have 169 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: sex and she sort of like ran away, and he 170 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: kept leaving voicemails. He kept calling, do you think that's toxic? 171 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: Or do you think that's a good thing? 172 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 5: Well, so that's actually what I wanted to talk about 173 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 5: because I understand, for like in terms of story structure, 174 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 5: but I have a hard time understanding what exactly Harry 175 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 5: is going through when he gets scared after they have sex. 176 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: He says on the phone that he got suffocated. But 177 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 5: I don't really understand his exact thought process and why 178 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 5: he closes off like that. 179 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: Because it seems to be his character never has sex 180 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: with a woman he really cares about or like knows intimately, 181 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: And like he said, he was like, you swap stories 182 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: after you like sleep together, Like they tell you their stories, 183 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: you tell them yours. And he was like, we've already 184 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 3: given all of us, Like he didn't know what to do. Yeah, 185 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 3: a completely new experience for him. I think. 186 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 187 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: I also love particularly when like after they have sex, 188 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: they have the date and they're sitting with each other 189 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: at the table and meg Ryan is like, this was 190 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: a mistake and then he says, oh my gosh, yeah 191 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 3: I agree, and then like they'll look on her face, Yes. 192 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 5: And then she says, I hope I get to say 193 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 5: it first. And then he says, I hope she says 194 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 5: it first. 195 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: Why do you think that is? 196 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 5: I think that's super relatable. I don't want to be 197 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 5: the mean person. I want someone to be mean to me. 198 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: You want someone else to say it? 199 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think she holds everything in. 200 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: He's like, you've never expressed how you feel about Joe, 201 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: and then she finally does. She lets herself be vulnerable. 202 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: He lets himself be vulnerable. But then he realizes, Oh, 203 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: this is what. 204 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: I've wanted all along. 205 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: I'm so scared and this is also what she was 206 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: scared of. He always says his emotions, but he never 207 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: like acts on it. She acts on it, but she 208 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: never says her emotions. She I'm close to the chest. 209 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: I find a lot. And he tries to heal through sex, 210 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: and I think he found out that, like, he can't 211 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: really heal through sex when what. 212 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 2: He wants is that relationship. 213 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: M Like, every time he has sex, it's like a 214 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: very transactional thing for him. And then in this time 215 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: he's like, I want to stay the night, I want 216 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: to stay here. You can see the like fight in 217 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: his brain that he gets up and runs away. So 218 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: what he was saying, like I feel suffocated. I don't 219 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: think he was feeling suffocated by her, but by his 220 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: own internalized feelings that he's been like trying to push 221 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: away for so much. 222 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: And also like now he has to see a woman 223 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 3: he respects and has sex with you, Like, do you 224 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like it seems like he's kept 225 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: these women at such a distance. But something I'm thinking 226 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 3: of is like when they first kissed, they kissed on 227 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: the lips. Oh, so we think friends can kiss on 228 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: the lip? 229 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 5: Well, I was literally just about to ask you guys 230 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 5: about that, because was it different in the late eighties, 231 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 5: Like could friends? 232 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: I think they were just like like I think it 233 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: was just like natural to them. 234 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 3: It was New Year's Eve. First of all, let's be clear, right, 235 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: they kiss on New Year's. 236 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 4: Eve before they have sex. 237 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, before, so they kiss on the lips at a 238 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: New Year's Eve party and then their friends still like 239 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 3: they're just like, oh oh yeah, like it's midnight. Do 240 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: you think it's okay and it's normal to kiss your 241 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 3: friends on the lips. 242 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 4: Like for a New Year's Eve? Like, I think it's okay. 243 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: It's dependent, honestly, but. 244 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 5: Like your perception of the person you're kissing matters because 245 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 5: they're our friends. Site they could be really good friends, 246 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 5: but you're like, no, I'm not going to do that. 247 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 3: Why why just because. 248 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 5: You just don't feel comfortable with them in that way. 249 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: It's just a different type of friendship. 250 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 3: Tell me about the types of friendship, Like, do you 251 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: really think straightment and women can be friends? We are ye, 252 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: all are yes. 253 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 5: But I love this movie. But I guess if I 254 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 5: had an issue with it, it'd be like the question 255 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 5: of the movie is can men and women be friends? 256 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 5: And I almost feel like the movie answers no. 257 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 4: That is the answer. 258 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 3: That is the answer. Yeah. The word attracted is something 259 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 3: I want to talk about because they use the word 260 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: attractive in when Harry met Sally. 261 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 4: It's like, you're very scene. 262 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: I'm like, I and I have never really been fond of, 263 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: like the word attractive. 264 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 4: What do you think of it? 265 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: I think it's like too instinctual, Like and there's that 266 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: moment where Billy Crystal's friend says like, Okay, is she attractive? 267 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: And he goes yeah, and he goes, but is she beautiful? 268 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 4: And wait, what's the difference. 269 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 5: And then there's that joke at the wedding reception where 270 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 5: they're like, to Harry and Sally, if we found them 271 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 5: remotely attractive. 272 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 3: So what do you think the difference is? Like, what 273 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: do they mean by attraction? 274 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I think attractiveness is much more than physical beauty. I 275 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: think attractiveness is like a sense of confidence. It's like, 276 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, like the aura, like 277 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: kind of medic Yeah, like how they make you feel. 278 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,239 Speaker 1: I think sometimes attractiveness. 279 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: Is a bit selfish. 280 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: It's like when you think of someone describing another person 281 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: as attractive or whatever, they're always talking about how that 282 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: person makes them feel, rather than the qualities about that 283 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: person themselves. And like with the attractiveness, that you can 284 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: be like illustrious or whatever, but also not be like. 285 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: What yeah, like you could be attractive, right, Like you 286 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: could be attractive, but not like conventionally maybe handsome or something. 287 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what. 288 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: Are differences between attractive and beautiful? 289 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 5: Like? 290 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: How do you see it? 291 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 4: I guess I agree. 292 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: What do you usually say about a girl? I usually say, like, 293 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: she's attractive, she's beautiful, she's hot. 294 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: How do you It's hard to explain? 295 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 5: I say, I say she's smoking. 296 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: I go, I, okay. 297 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 5: Depending on someone's qualities, I might use a different word. 298 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 5: I might say, oh, she's cute. I might say oh, 299 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 5: my gosh. Throughout when Harry Miss Elliott, when I'm watching 300 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 5: my grind, I'm like, she is so fucking. 301 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 4: Is crazy, like it's insane. 302 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: She is so beautiful. She's beautiful, she's gorgeous to. 303 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 4: You just use two words. 304 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: I use two words to describe her. 305 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: Well, there you go. Somebody can be. 306 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: Multiple women, contain multitudes, like. 307 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 5: Usually not usually always somebody is all those things. But 308 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 5: just my instinct when I'm describing somebody that I have 309 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 5: a crush on, I might go to one of those 310 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 5: words first. 311 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: Practice, Yeah, I don't know. 312 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: Like what's attractive to me is like passion, and like 313 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a lot. 314 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 4: More lustful. 315 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: Even though in that way, but like personally, like when 316 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: I say passion, I don't even just mean like being 317 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: a passionate lover. It's just like having convictions and like, 318 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: for example, like standing up for what you believe in 319 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: or you know that that's very attractive. 320 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: To of course, you know, like attractive qualities, Yes. 321 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: Attractive qualities, And there are many people who I guess 322 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: I would say I'm attracted to, but I could never ever. 323 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, you know, it's like, you know, yeah. 324 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 4: Have you guys dated someone who Yes, okay. 325 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 5: And me too. Yeah, have you dated someone who you, 326 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 5: I guess are attracted to in every sense? Like you 327 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 5: love their personality every way, everything, like everything about them 328 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 5: besides the way they look. 329 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 4: Do you like everything? 330 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're like, I am obsessed with this person. I 331 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 5: want to be with them. 332 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: But I do not like looking at them. 333 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 3: I mean, if you get to the point where you're like, 334 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: I don't like looking at them, I think it would 335 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 3: be hard to stay together. Yeah, anyone can be cute 336 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: no matter what how they doesn't like, anyone can be 337 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: charming enough for like, funny enough. I mean, yeah, you've seen, 338 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 3: you know, my track record, So I don't know. I've 339 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: never quite gone for someone who's like conventionally that handsome 340 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 3: in the first place. So looking at them, I'm like. 341 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 2: I want to go for that. You've had some cute ones. 342 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 3: I've had some cute moments, like usually people are shocked anyways, 343 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: the orgasm scene, what do you think? 344 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: I have a thought? 345 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 3: Are we faking? What are your thoughts. 346 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 5: I love that scene first off, but I just want 347 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 5: to say it worked for Harry because he's an idiot 348 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 5: and he thought that no one ever fakes. But I 349 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: feel like I would know that somebody being that crazy. 350 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 3: You know, when a woman is faking. 351 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 5: No, not necessarily, but I think I would be like, 352 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 5: this is a little ridiculous if a woman that good. 353 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 3: Oh man, that is a great scene. But I haven't 354 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: faked something like that in a long time. Really, I 355 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: don't really, I don't fake it. No, I don't fake 356 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 3: any if I don't if I don't have it. Yeah, 357 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: I guess when I was like younger, I think I'm 358 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 3: just kind of like stop, you know what it kind 359 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: of it's not like there's no reason for Look at 360 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: the time. 361 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: You think it was like just like the culture. 362 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think women needing to fake organs. 363 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 4: Sinfeld and stuff too. 364 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I wonder if people are really faking that 365 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 3: much anymore. 366 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 4: I think we're a little bit more accepting that it's difficult. 367 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: Gen Z isn't having sex? 368 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: Well, that's what they say. Yeah, I want to ask 369 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: the people in the comments, are you faking your orgasms? Ladies? 370 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 3: Isn't happening. Can we take a poll, what do you 371 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: think people will say? 372 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: And guys, guys, because because here's the thing, like you're lying. 373 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: I swear to god you faked Why because. 374 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 5: I was in college and in that time. 375 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: Like I wanted her to like you. 376 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 5: It's not even that I wanted her to like me. 377 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 5: I think I was just like new to hooking up 378 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 5: and I was like intimidated. 379 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 2: He was like this has gone on long enough. 380 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 4: I was like, this has to end. 381 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: How did you fake it? 382 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 5: I was like, I was like I didn't like, it's 383 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 5: not it wasn't like a Sally thing in the diner. 384 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 4: I didn't make a noise. 385 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 5: I was just like, it's over, like I did it. 386 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 5: I just pretty much is crazy, just like verbally lied 387 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 5: about about whether it happened or not. 388 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: And was she like, hey, nothing is like it was. 389 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: It was in a condom. Was she going to do 390 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: like inspect my condom? 391 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: I mean, oh my god, that's really funny, but you 392 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: haven't done that since college. 393 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: No. Now, I'm pretty honest. 394 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for practicing safe sex. 395 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 3: Of course, do you think sex with a friend ruins 396 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: it completely or do you think you can have sort 397 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: of a like friends with benefits situation. 398 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 5: So I've never had sex with somebody who was already 399 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 5: my friend. But I've had a romantic relationship that turned 400 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 5: into friendship. 401 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 4: Sometimes it didn't work. It sometimes doesn't work. Work, sometimes 402 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: it does, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it really does. 403 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it usually doesn't work for me. Like, 404 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 3: I don't think I can have a friend and keep 405 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: it strictly platonic. 406 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm good at compartmentalizing in that sense, much 407 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: like Billy Crystal, like billyst I think Harry is so 408 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: good at compartmentalizing, but Sally breaks the mold that when 409 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: he does have sex with her, he cannot compartmentalize. And 410 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: I think personally, I've definitely had like sex with friends 411 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: and then continued being friends, like. 412 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: It's just like whatever, you know, Yeah, but that was. 413 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: When I was like early twenties, didn't really care about 414 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, my frontal lobe wasn't. 415 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: Developed, like you know. 416 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how it would be now because they 417 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: didn't have sex until they were in their thirties, right, 418 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: and so putting myself in the position of them, I 419 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: don't know how I would feel now. 420 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 3: Andy, I want to know about this friend that started 421 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 3: romantic and then turned into which friendship? And is that 422 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: how it usually goes for you? 423 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 5: That's not the case with every single person I know. 424 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 5: But I have a hard time like letting go, like 425 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 5: spending so much time getting to know a person and 426 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 5: then just it not working romantically so we just have 427 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 5: to completely cut each other out of our lives for 428 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 5: some reason. That's just like a really difficult thing to 429 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 5: just spend so much time getting to know someone and 430 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 5: caring about them and then just like it's over, right. 431 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: I can't. It's hard for me. 432 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: Do you feel like most people are that way or 433 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: do you think that's a little bit rare for you? 434 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about guys especially. 435 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 5: I think most people are like, why are you still 436 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 5: talking to them? 437 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: It's over? 438 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 5: And then I'm like, we're trying to be friends, and 439 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 5: then it's with that intent, and then we just like. 440 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: Do you think it's a form of self sabotage? 441 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: Oh? Probably? Yeah? 442 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: Do you always are you like you feel completely satisfied 443 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 3: in friendship? 444 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 4: Usually? I love my friends. 445 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 5: Uh, There's been instances where like it ends and where 446 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be friends, but I still feel 447 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 5: like I want more so, I'm not saying that that 448 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 5: situation never happened. 449 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 3: Do you kind of like to be in that dynamic 450 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: where you like, are your course not. 451 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 5: It's awful, it's a nightmare, it's a hell escape because 452 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 5: it's never it's never going to happen. 453 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: So why else do you identify with Billy Crystal's character? 454 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: Do you see yourself and him? 455 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 5: I don't know if you two will understand this, but 456 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 5: there's a very Jewish element to when Harry met Sally 457 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 5: that I feel like I identify just with the vibe 458 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 5: of it and the nature the nebs. 459 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 4: Of his character. What do you mean, how do you discribe. 460 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 5: That is like this archetype of like a Jewish guy 461 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 5: usually who often wears glasses. 462 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 4: It's him and Rick moranis too. 463 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 5: That brings up a thought because Diane Keaton died and 464 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 5: so I gave myself special permission. And I feel comfortable 465 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 5: saying this because I think a lot of people did. 466 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 5: I watched Andy. 467 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: Hall amazing It's okay, and I thought I thought. 468 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 5: A lot about this, But there's a lot of similarities 469 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 5: between when Harry met Sally and Annie Hall, and after 470 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 5: watching Annie Hall, I recognized and appreciated when Harry met 471 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 5: Sally is so much more because Harry is a redeemable asshole. 472 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 5: When I was watching Annie Hall recently, I genuinely don't 473 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 5: feel like what he Allen's character has much character development. 474 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 5: It gives the feeling that there's growth, yeah, but I 475 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 5: don't really see it. I think he's the same like 476 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 5: misogynistic asshole throughout the whole movie totally. 477 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 3: But Billy Crystal really. 478 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 4: Does change, Yes he does. 479 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: I have a hard time believing people can kind of 480 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 3: really change, but. 481 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: I really, yes, I believe in changing growth. 482 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 3: Like my little piece of Me is like, oh man, 483 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: like one woman isn't going to change like everything about 484 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: his character, but they do something different than his other relationships. 485 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily her, but it's you know, 486 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: we we grow through our lived experiences. And I think 487 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: that she forces him into places that are uncomfortable and 488 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: he has to confront the uncomfortability, and so I think 489 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: it's less her and it's more where he finds himself 490 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: when he's with her. 491 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: But I do people. 492 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: I believe everyone has the capacity for change, and I 493 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: believe that we are influenced by it. I mean, my 494 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: stupid ass musical theater. Brain immediately goes to Wicked and 495 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: it's like, I know, but you know they have the 496 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: song there's like who can say if I've been changed 497 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: for the better, but because I knew you, I've been 498 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: changed for good. That's like one of the best songs 499 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: for it. And it's like they're fully parting ways. They're 500 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: accepting that they're no longer going to be friends or 501 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: like together, you know, but they because they've had that 502 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: shared lived experience together, They've put each other into uncomfortable positions, 503 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: they've grown from it, and. 504 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 3: I guess they knew each other for Like I love 505 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: this movie because of the timeline. Yeah, like I love 506 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 3: that we go over ten years. 507 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: Also in eighteen our drive is crazy and why is 508 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: she driving the whole entire time? Like, like, I guess 509 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: she's not, but it feels to me like she is 510 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: always driving, which had a lot of controlling with her 511 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: wondering at. 512 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 3: The diner the way she does like everything on the side, 513 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: Like it totally makes sense that she would be. 514 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: Also was inspired by Nora because. 515 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: Like, if if you read like any of Nora's stuff 516 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: or whatever, she's like always freaking out about food. 517 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 4: So particular yea, and she likes what she likes. 518 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: What do y'all think this movie teaches us about love? 519 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 5: This is maybe my little hopeless romantic coming out, but 520 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 5: like I feel like you really need to like recognize 521 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 5: when you have something special. But also it's a it's 522 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 5: hard to say because it's like it's a movie, it's 523 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: not real life. 524 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: And it's it's. 525 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 5: It's inspired, but like, really, whatever happened in real life 526 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 5: wasn't ever gonna be anything like that. There's never a 527 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 5: perfect usually never a perfect happy ending feeling to that, 528 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 5: which is why I love rom coms so much. 529 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: I think that. 530 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: What it teaches us about love is that imperfections don't 531 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: mean that you aren't perfect. 532 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 2: For each other, I guess. 533 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily that they're perfect for each other, 534 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: but it's that through the growth and time that they've 535 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: spent getting to know each other, their imperfections are mended 536 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: or at. 537 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: Least like come to get im. 538 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: I can't pinpoint my thoughts, well, you know what I mean. 539 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 3: In friendship, you're like making more space I think for imperfection. 540 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 3: Like in friendship, like the bar is so for some 541 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 3: reason lower, and you can like be kind of a 542 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: mess because it feels like the stakes aren't as high because. 543 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 5: In the context of monogamy, you can have as many 544 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 5: friends as you. 545 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true. So I think that, like, there's 546 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: something about the way their relationship lasted so long and 547 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 3: then it became romantic. It's something that I think should 548 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: happen more often, but doesn't happen that often. Things start 549 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 3: romantic so quickly, especially because of apps and everything too. 550 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: They did say, when you know when you want to 551 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: spend the rest of your life with someone, you try 552 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: to start it as soon as possible. 553 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 4: I love that line. I came here tonight, keep going. 554 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 5: I came here tonight because when you realize you want 555 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 5: to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you 556 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 5: want the rest of your life to start as soon 557 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 5: as possible. 558 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: God if someone said that to me, Oh my god. 559 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's such an interesting and beautiful line 560 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: because they've known each other for twelve years, you know, 561 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: or whatever it was, until they started being romantic, and 562 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: it's like, you want the rest of your life to 563 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: start as soon as possible. 564 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: What about before then? 565 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: But it was because of that growth, like that, that 566 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: journey that they went on together. Once he had that realization, 567 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: he was like, I can't let her go. And I 568 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: found it very like what we were talking about earlier, 569 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: like the constant calling. It was very much like boombox 570 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: outside of the window, very John Hughes high, except for 571 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: I found it to be a lot more respectful, Like 572 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: he didn't show up to her house, right, he didn't 573 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: go to her work. 574 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 3: He was respectful. 575 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: He was respectful in the sense of like he's like, 576 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: I don't want this to go away. 577 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to contact you how I can. 578 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to fill up the space. 579 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 2: But like and as annoying and weird, it. 580 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 3: Wasn't like it coming to your house totally totally you're safe. 581 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: Still you're saying you're secure, but I would like, ye, yeah, 582 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: you can lock that door, but double locked maybe. 583 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 3: Okay. Last question, how many roses out of five would 584 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 3: you give this movie five? 585 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: I would say I would give it four and a 586 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: half four roses. It's a good movie, Like it's solid, 587 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: it's a solid rom com. But when it comes to 588 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: the vignettes of the couples, I get that a five 589 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: because I was obsessed listening to these actors tell the 590 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: stories of like real life couples. It was like delicious, 591 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: Like yeah, it was. It was almost like a breath 592 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: of fresh air. It's like that was such a true 593 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: pure form of love, showing that everyone experiences love in 594 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: a different way. There are so many like when we 595 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: were talking about types of relationships and some of them 596 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: were friends and some of. 597 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 2: Them didn't know each other. 598 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: Do you think you have to be friends first for 599 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: it to kind of be true love. 600 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 601 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I think like a good 602 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 5: relationship feels like you're good friends. 603 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, a good relationship is built on trust, and I 604 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: think a lot of times with friendship, like what you 605 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: were saying, the expectations. 606 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 2: Are a lot less. 607 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: So with the friendship, it's like you are a lot 608 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: more trusting with them, You're a lot more forgiving, And 609 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: I think that that is a good basis to a relationship. 610 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 3: Who was you rather kiss Billy Crystal or Megrian Grian 611 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 3: Megran Megryan, Megan megrext question. That's my last question. Oh 612 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 3: that's all I have for us today. Thanks guys, thank 613 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: you for having Thank you so much to Nicky and 614 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 3: Andy for coming on the show today. I'll have what 615 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 3: they're having any day. Until next time, enjoy the fall 616 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 3: air and maybe tell that special someone how you really 617 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: feel what could go wrong? Thanks for listening. Talk to 618 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 3: you all next week. Boy Sover is a production of 619 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 3: iHeart Podcasts. I'm your host Hopewordard. Our executive producers are 620 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: Christina Everett and Julie Pinero. 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