WEBVTT - Episode 81: Stephen King 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.559 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Nerdificent. I'm 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.280 your host. If you wide away and not sitting across 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.360 from me as Danny, he had prior obligations ripping and 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.959 rolling around town, and so it's just me sitting in 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.160 with a good friend Lucy Tomlin Brennan. How are you doing. Hello, 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.120 I'm fantastic. Thank you for having me. Of course, you 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.120 know we had to get you back on the second 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.760 sp October. We wouldn't we wouldn't dream of going without you. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.440 Thank you. I rewatched all of the Halloween movies again 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.120 thinking about how we did it all last year together. 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.120 I thought of you because on Who Shot You? We 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:52.600 mentioned um Halloween three season of the w and it 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.800 was because someone asked, like, it would have been a 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.400 good who shot call for you? But it was like, 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.200 what's a scary What's what are bad scary movies? And 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.759 someone said that, and then too, I think Dreya said 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.679 it's it's it's still good, and I think Alonso also 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.679 cakes it's not bad. I'm sorry. Snakes leaking out of 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.600 a melted kid's face. That is an amazing visual. I 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.000 need to watch that. I think it's just more so 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.120 the lack of Michael Michael Myers that was being landed on. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:23.039 But it's like, if you get past that, it's pretty great. 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.760 Really an evil corporation. It's so timely. But yeah, uh, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.640 you know, we start off our episodes with the same 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.600 thing every week, which is, what are you geeking out 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.240 about right now? Um? One of my new favorite movies 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.679 called Satanic Panic that is one of the best horror 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.080 comedies I've ever seen. Uh, it might still be in 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.160 a few theaters, but it is streaming on Shutter, the 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:52.040 horror streaming network. It's Shutters great their curation. They have 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.160 everything from like supernatural to slasher, to like extreme bloody 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.639 stuff to like literal comedies and like fun goofy poky stuff. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.400 So yeah, it's for it's for everybody. It's perfect for 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.000 this time of year. But Satanic Panic was directed by 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.080 a young woman, Chelsea Stardust and written by Grady Hendricks, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.560 who is one of my favorite horror authors who I 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.280 also recommend since we're delving into our horror author today. 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.640 If you're looking for somebody a little newer, a little fresher, 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.640 Gradie Hendricks has three incredible books. We sold Our Souls, 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.120 my best friend's exorcism in Horror Store, and he can 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.760 write women the best of any straight man I've ever 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.920 seen before. I keep like looking for pictures of him 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.760 because I kind of don't believe he's a real straight dude. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.320 It's a pen name, Yeah, absolutely, because I'm like, how 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.520 does he know so much about my team girl experience? 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:43.160 And there's a lot of that. Satanic Panic has a 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.840 lot of like a strong, funny, weak, bizarre, frightening women 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.280 in its starring Rebecca Romaine, who I think is one 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:55.120 of the sexiest women alive, and her husband Jerry O'Connell. Yeah, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:59.440 it's got, it's got everything. Yes, yes, o man. Well 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.080 for me, I'm geeking out about. This week is actually 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.880 uh more on the tech side, you know. I finally 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.280 got a couch for my new place and all this stuff, 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:12.760 and then setting up lighting and on a whim, I 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:17.720 picked up some some like smart smart bulbs um for 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.600 the living room lights, and I just was like, I 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.480 always wanted to do it, and I have an Alexa, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.320 and then I immediately was hooked, so like in the 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.240 span of buying the smart bulb and like loving it, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.680 I went ahead and bought two like colorful smart bulbs 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.200 for my room and then a living room alexas so 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.360 that I can voice control the lights on and off. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.320 Those I always go with like music or sounds. Also 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.680 there's all different settings. Yeah, there's like I was testing 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.120 out the one because the one in my room is 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.760 the full hue, so it has all color settings. So 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.640 there's a Halloween one that like goes orange and black 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.040 and it makes your whole room origin. And then there's 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.200 a Christmas one that's like green and red, all that 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.640 crinkling you. Here in the background is another guest who 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.920 I did an announced, which is Naomi Mudi way my daughter. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.200 She's eating uh cereal and she's trying to make her 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.880 way to this uh cereal bar. I'm gonna open it 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.960 up for and then we'll get started. I'm really into 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.680 I've never heard of the I'm not familiar with these 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.839 lights and not like a big tech person, but I 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.560 love the idea that you should be watching a movie 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.520 and have the lights, Like what if doing like a 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.479 really scary scene, all your lights went out to heighten 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.240 the film for you. I know. Let's see. That's the 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.200 integration we need because the way it works now is 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.719 Alexa really just turns it on and off, which is 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.120 nice because I just I'm trying more and more to 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.680 be a Tony Stark or you know, because like you 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.479 just say good night, You say Alexa, good night, and 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.279 then it will turn off all the lights in the 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.400 house and you'll say Alexa, good morning and it will 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.320 turn it all on. Or you can say, uh, Alexa, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.960 what is it? What what's my day look like? And 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:57.400 then it will give you the news, what's on your schedule, uh, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:02.359 the weather, and traffic to your destination. So I was like, 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.080 that just makes me feel like I'm the super like 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.240 I'm Batman. I feel like the only thing the next 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.160 step for this that I would love to see is 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.760 like a Wizard of Oz sort of Jetson's thing where 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.920 they brush your teeth for you, like two little hands 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.920 come down from the ceiling and let curl your hair 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.440 and teeth. And the closest I got was I gotta 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.479 quip brush because I've heard so much. I mean, we 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.440 we pushed it on on the pod, but it's a 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.960 pot must but yeah, it's actually pretty solid, like they 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.640 it's close because it almost tells you how to brush 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:37.280 your teeth because it'll like they suggest you do it 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.520 in quadrants and then it'll alert you when to go 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.320 to the next quadrant. And so that's pretty good. The 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.680 only thing it's missing is a little gloved hand popping 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.680 out of your wall holding it. See I don't I 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.040 don't think I trust technology that much to let it 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.240 wildly swing things around in my mouth. See. I think 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.320 it's kind of creepy. Anyways. I definitely can appreciate everything 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.719 saying being like interesting and fancy, but there is a 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.760 creepy element to it, and I think it'd be fun 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.320 if it just went full creep and hands came out 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.840 of your wall. You know what? Yes, Uh, don't hide, 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:13.800 don't hide the truth. So today you know it's Spookedtober. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.880 It's the last episode of sp October because let me 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.719 let me double check that, because it's gonna because it 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.359 is the twenty nine, two days before Halloween. It is 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.960 the last Spookedober. I'm glad we closed it out with you, 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.400 Thank you. I'm preparing for Halloween hangover. I always get 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.400 so depressed couple of weeks a November. I mean, it 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.760 is the most abrupt of changes in holidays, because you 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.840 know Christmas it ends, and you know you still have 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:42.320 the stuff going for a bit. Thanksgiving is a non 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.440 holiday at this point in our lives. Uh, New Year, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.120 same thing. You have that like New Year's staggering of 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.320 like the city or town that you're in. Yeah, likes 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.080 new start for me again. Fourth of July left over 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:59.800 fireworks are going extra food. But yeah, Halloween abruptly stops 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.640 for that day. It's it's all decorations go down, and 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.760 it's because it immediately is shifting the holiday time and 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.640 it's a totally different vibe. I'll know. Halloween. Christmas is 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.240 also very spooky because the man is coming into your house. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.720 Yeah yeah, oh yeah, and lesson not even can started 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.160 on the Black Christmas references too. Yeah, I'm so excited 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.880 about the news. Shout out to April Wolf. It was crazy. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.000 I was in uh the h I think which whichever 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.080 the theater, Oh, it's the Pacific Theater by the Americana, 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.920 and then it had her um poster up and it 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.120 was like written by April Wolf, and I was getting 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.200 ready to snap a picture and then it's the digital 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.600 one so it went away and it was like, I 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.440 hate technology. It was just like a popcorn ad. Yeah 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.800 oh yeah yeah here like and then someone's walking up 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.720 like this guy really loves popcorn, and you're like, I 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.360 need to order this to my house. Yeah, but so 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.760 this spook Toober. Before we like go into today's side, 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.160 I just want to have a retrospect. We talked about 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.040 Candy Man, we talked about the Haunted Man, Ancient at Disneyland. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.400 We talked about our real monsters and uh, and then 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.320 we also talked about the Child's Play series. And these 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:12.080 are all just kind of like very specific properties and 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:16.520 this one that we're doing today is bigger than that. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.480 We're talking about Stephen King, We're talking about a mind. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.840 We're talking about, you know, one of one of the 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.360 biggest names in horror. I feel like and you can 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.480 correct me because you did make a face. Uh. I'm 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:33.680 just excited. Yeah, because to me horror Mount Rushmore is 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.880 Clive Barker, Wes Craven, Stephen King. And I know I'm 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.560 missing two more people, so I'll let you the horror queen. Uh. 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.000 I don't know, those are really good. I kind of 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:49.280 pop Elvira of course, of course you cannot have Halloween 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.360 without Elvira. Yeah. Absolutely. John Carpenter as well needs to 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.800 be up there. Very sorry, to John Carpenter for forgetting Yeah, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.360 he's pretty grumpy already. We don't know already he's going 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.920 to leave a one star review. Mary Shelley, Yeah, you know, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.920 and one of the original voices of horror. The reason 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.840 that we have so many of the tropes and maccab 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.600 ideas we do it. Oh yes, Shirlie Jackson too. Sorry, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.040 I'm just like thinking about all the women who helped 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.920 us get to But it's super It is super excited 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.280 to talk about Stephen King because so many of his 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.920 works have been adapted. Today when we're recording, not when 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:34.520 this is released. But I just released a sponsored post, uh, 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.360 the first sponsored post I've done for BuzzFeed, but it's 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:43.760 for Dcor Sleep the Shining. I'm so excited about it. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.760 It looks incredible and it's so funny too, because you know, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.240 BuzzFeed comments are all over the place. They can really 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:51.960 you never know what it is. And I was very 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.920 surprised to go into this sponsored ad and see a 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.360 lot of people real hype for the movie, so they 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.000 didn't really hate the video because I feel like typically 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.760 winning things just an add on any media platform. People 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.280 like the man, but or does that like a lot 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.120 of people who watch BuzzFeed videos are teenagers. So the 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.280 last time I was on BuzzFeed, there like, did she 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.480 put an eyeline around and she was drunk? That's the 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:20.360 look I'm going for. Leave me alone, children. But yeah, 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.720 someone said that Doctor Sleep was one of the best 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.760 books that they've read. Doctor Sleep is incredible. I think 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.679 it's one of his best um modern books, I guess, 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.440 like the last ten years or so. It also makes 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:36.200 me realize how timely it is that we're doing uh, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.880 Stephen King right now, which, if I haven't said yet, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.040 we're talking about Stephen King. Realized I did a lot 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.000 of Oh no, I did all the Mary Shelley research, 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.200 but we're talking about Stephen King. And yes, if you 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:50.520 don't know Doctor Sleep, because there was a lot of 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.920 people who in the comments were like, um, oh, I 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.079 didn't know this was a sequel to The Shining yet, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:02.600 because it's very um, it's nebulous. It has a totally 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.600 different feeling to it, and it's about like little Danny 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.880 grown up trying to live a different life. So the 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:10.920 tone of it is very different. It's not what you 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.240 to mean, what you would think of as a natural sequel. Yeah, 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.200 it doesn't have anything to do with the hotel, and 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:19.360 it's like, how this shining has appened. Yeah, that's that's 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.120 what I was gonna say, is like it feels like 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.199 the shining is about the hotel, whereas Dr Sleep is 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.600 following the the mythos of the shine and what it 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.440 means and everything around that, which I feel like is 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.000 the perfect way to do a sequel to that, absolutely, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.800 because like what horror stories are out there, I mean, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.880 everyone you want to hear more about the myth like 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.000 you have a special power. How does that affect you 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:46.400 in everyday life? Yeah? I know, so it's it's uh, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.160 it really is exciting. And you know, check that out 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:53.520 next week. It's it's coming out October November eight, so 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.120 that should be Yeah, that that'll be next week. That'll 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.640 keep your Halloween spirit go. Yeah, yeah, that's for you. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:02.760 They did it for you. But let's start this off 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.280 how I start off every episode, which is jumping into 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.360 the nitty gritty. Stephen Edwin King born September twenty one, 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:16.480 ninety seven is an American author of horror, supernatural fiction, suspense, 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.520 and fantasy novels. His books have sold more than three 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.679 hundred and fifty million copies, many of which have been 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.079 adapted into feature films, mini series, television series, and comic books. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.920 King has published sixty one novels, including seven under his 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.640 pen name Richard Bachman, and six nonfiction books. He has 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.520 written a He has written approximately two hundred short stories, 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:43.319 most of which have been published in book collections. Uh so, 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.720 what is what is your relationship with Stephen King and 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.400 his works? I can't pick apart my life from Stephen King. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.520 I feel like he has been he was born alongside 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.400 of me. I my parents also, my mom specifically really 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.960 likes horror and my one of my oldest memories is 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.240 her reading pet cemetery and like the original paperback cover 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.600 was this cat's face, like really big and teeth and 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.040 like green eyes. It was so frightening, and I would 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.600 see it on her bedside table and I'd be like 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.560 shook to the core just from the cover. And much 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.920 like watching or going to the video store and seeing 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.800 horror vhs on the shelves, the art on the outside 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.080 of his books, and like the eighties and nineties was 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.200 so so much more disturbing. I couldn't even conjure in 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.800 my head what was in those pages, and my mom 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.600 would always be like, this isn't for your If I 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.680 was looking through it, she's like, this isn't appropriate for you. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.439 And then of course the taboo of that it's just 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.360 so exciting. So I think I finally started reading them 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.400 like middle school at thirteen fourteen, I was like, I 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.319 am a woman. Now I'm reading Stephen King. Yeah, you 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.760 can finally like delve deep and yeah, yeah exactly. I 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.160 think when the Shining mini series came out, which was 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.800 the one that Stephen King directed because he hates the 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:59.480 Stanley Kubrick version, Uh, that came out and I was like, Okay, 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.720 I am for this. And when I watched that, I 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.680 felt like very proud of myself because it's extremely scary 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.920 to me as a kid. And then I started reading 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:08.400 the books. I was like, I made it through the 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.400 mini series. Time for the novels. Yeah, I mean which 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.800 was which do you prefer? The Stanley Kubrick or the 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:23.440 TV series? Well, they're hard to compare us. Stephen Webber 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.000 is no Jack Nicholson, um. But it's hard when you 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.200 really admire, Like I love the book, The Shining scares 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.040 me every time I've read it, probably like three times 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:33.960 and it upsets me every time I read it, and 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.680 there's tons of surprises in it. So I do like 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.920 that the mini series is adheres to the story more 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.359 and but I mean, of course, everybody knows that Kubrick's 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.720 is a visual masterpiece, and so you kind of have 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.680 to just like separate yourself from the fact that King 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:52.400 doesn't like it because it has so much going for 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.240 it visually, it's so iconic, and it's been parodied so 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.840 many times and it's left left an indelible mark on 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.760 our culture. Well, that's kind of a like kind of 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.560 I don't want to say normal, but common thing that happens. Right, 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.120 That King does not end up liking the adaptations, Well, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.440 I think it's so hard to do with Stephen King 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.520 adaptation because a thing that people either love or hate 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.200 about his books is that there's a ton of exposition. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.600 There's a ton of emotional background on every character. A 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.520 friend of mine hates his books because he says that 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.880 two or three pages will be dedicated to the way 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.520 a chair looks, And for me, I'm just like yes, 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.480 because like, you get me deep into that chair space 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.960 and then something like crazy supernatural happens. It's even scarier 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.320 to me because everything is so normal for so long 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.360 and they're like what that fact like scared so quickly, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.760 and also because you are like picturing it more like 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.480 I feel like that adds to the horror because as 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.960 you read it, it gets more developed and it just 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:58.040 kind of grows more. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's I feel 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.960 like because people think of him as just like, I 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.080 don't know, Airport, paperback, fluff. All of his movies, a 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.640 lot of them have been adapted that way, and so 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.040 all of the things that make his work really special 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.920 gets lost, whereas Kubrick took all the visuals that were amazing, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.560 heightened that, but still left out any of the interesting 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:22.640 like expository work. Yes, so of course the mini series 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.760 gets that down, but it's not visually quite a stunning 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.080 Oh of course. Yeah. I think my relation with Stephen 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.760 King is more cinematic than his books. I've seen a 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.040 lot of the films inspired, like Missed, which is actually 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.320 one of the films that he likes. He said he 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.680 likes the ending of the movie more than he Missed. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.760 I hate the Missed, and I'm like the only horror 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.640 fan that hates the miss I think it's depressing as hell, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.680 and I think it's like needlessly nihilistic. I was angry, 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.480 like I love a lot of things, and usually like 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.080 even the worst movie, I can be like, but you 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:59.840 know what I had going for it, and I think 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.200 the missed as great, but that final act reveal it 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.840 made me so mad. I was depressed for like twenty 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.720 four full hours and then anybody who looked at me, 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.080 I was just like like me mugging, and I loved it. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.520 I was like, oh, this is such a wow, what 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:21.840 a twist rowney Yeah, and so and it's almost like 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.080 a lesson lesson of like giving up hope, like you 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.600 don't yeah, which is like, which is like the most 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.879 like hard way to say that, but it is like yeah, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.600 that's and that's kind of what I took it as 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:40.000 is like this they gave up hope and unfortunately, like 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.680 it was just around the corner. And so because that 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.200 to me is like such a strong message and from 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:50.399 a horror movie, which is typically all hope is lost. Yeah, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.440 that's a great point. I didn't read it like that 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:54.280 to me. To me, it read is kind of like 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.399 a ha ha, like you um sort of yeah again, 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.040 like a nihilistic four chance like, yeah, mess around like 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.600 I got you, oh man, Yeah, but yeah, so I 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.320 miss it. Of course. Did you love the mini series 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.240 as a kid? I feel like, yeah, I was freaked out. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.879 I didn't see it much beyond that. I think I 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.080 haven't seen it since. And then I went and watched 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:21.640 the new one, which was an interesting an interesting tale 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.720 of like using parts of a novel without giving all 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.800 of it because then it just sends mixed messages and 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.040 doesn't pay off. I mean, just a quick one is 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.280 just the opening, the opening. I think just landed. Just 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.160 felt bad because you didn't know that this is because 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.240 of Pennywise's influence, that this hate crime is happening, because 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.400 you have a movie that takes place in a podunct 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.479 middle of America town. So if you see someone being homophobia, like, oh, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.159 this is just a statement about the town, and you 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.760 totally missed that. No, this is penny Wise is influence, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.520 and this is why it leaves right and the whole 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.399 town is rotten. And the fact that no one cares. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.080 That's of the most interesting things about Diary to Me, 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.480 and the apathy that runs throughout all the adults, and 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.920 how when you move away you forget and it's like, yeah, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.400 that's part of Pennywise, like you good, how bad things are, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.320 and so you don't fight back. Yeah, And it's funny 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.720 because they really hit home on that part, which I 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.040 didn't really or I probably just didn't remember from the 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.920 first one, but they really hit home on that part 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.879 without really going into the influence, which is as simple 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.520 as a line for Isaiah Mustafa, who didn't have enough 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:31.320 lines anyway. Yeah, and we're doing other things, like maybe 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.280 not just that act. I mean, there were so much 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.520 time spent on that hate crime when they could have 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.440 been it could if you had to have that, you 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.479 could have had other stuff woven in. Of course they 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.480 took that scene directly from the book. That's how the 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.240 book opens. Yeah, and I read that again. I was like, like, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.800 way too young for that book with all the child 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:51.200 orgies and all the crimes. And that was my big 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.720 ping against it, is like you had the sense to 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:56.879 like never touch this child orgy, but like you're like, 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:58.960 we gotta get this hate crime in. Yeah, And it 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.439 was just so real stick it felt like it was 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.560 happening to really yeah really, oh boy, there's nothing and 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.560 I just are already have any type of hate crime 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.919 displayed in movies by someone who's asked I think I 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.520 can kick. It's just always super hard for me where 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:19.119 it's like, oh, if I was there, right, cream be 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:23.560 so cream. Also any time of film is being made 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.359 by somebody who is not of that I don't know 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:32.000 about exactly so because I feel like it comes from 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.600 this sort of well, it's the same thing, like it's 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.199 the same thing of just like not really knowing the 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.520 gravity of throwing it in there. It seems to flippant 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:45.200 almost like you know when uh, when male writers add 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.920 rape to a woman's story for her growth and not 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:50.680 and just kind of how flippantly it's kind of us like, oh, 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.320 this is the hardest thing a woman could go through. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.399 It's like, no, there's tons of other hard things. Actually 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:57.960 it's lazy. And I will say that that's one of 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.720 the things I think Stephen Kane goes back and forth on. 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.040 There's a number of his books where I think that 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:07.920 the female protagonist is so interesting and complex and scary 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:11.800 or tough a funny, But then other books or other 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.760 sections of those same stories, rape is such a large 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.800 part of it, And I feel like I can never 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:21.000 quite put my finger on where he is. Yeah. I 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.800 will say I did read one work of Stephen King, 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.320 which was his short story The John. Have you read that? No? 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:31.800 I don't think so. Oh it's really really good. It's 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.840 like a sci fi horror story. That's uh that in 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.720 the future. Uh, they travel galaxies through this thing called 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:44.400 the Jaunt. And in the Jaunt, essentially you're traveling like 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.640 you're traveling for years, but it only because they put 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.720 you to sleep. It makes it feel like seconds. But 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.600 and they tell you not to You cannot not to go, 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.720 not to be awake, because then you will age. And 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:02.679 it's it's and you know, horror ensues, but it's really 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.359 it's and just the reveal at the end and the 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.639 I think that's why I got to taste the flavor 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:14.000 of Stephen King without you know, getting any bad side 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:18.280 because he did take you know, the like descriptive nous 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.320 of like the reveal is was like, oh, this is great. 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:26.960 But we're gonna get into Stephen King, his life, his 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.399 early life and all that good stuff and leading up 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.880 into a wide open discussion of his books and the 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:44.480 things that inspired them. After this break and we're back, 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:49.720 but we're joined. There are now four guests in the studio. Yeah, 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.240 well we've mentioned to me she's been you know, you'll 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.760 hear it throughout the pod, usually drinking cereal real loud. 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.760 And I can't even be mad about that because I 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.280 know that's definitely my d and a that is doing that. 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.280 But yes, the Queen Danny has arrived and you know, 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.800 we're just talking about a relationship to you, Stephen King, 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.119 So do you want to just join in before we 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.120 jump into this monster of a bio. I think mine 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.760 would have to be the shining. I think that that's mine. 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:22.320 I think aside from my name being Danny, like everyone 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.840 always does that, Um, what is it, Mrs Danny's not here, 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.879 Mrs Torrance or whatever. Yeah, and come playing with us, Danny. 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.119 Yeah that one. Everyone did that to me. Um, so 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:37.840 please keep doing that. Never gets old. Yeah, so that, uh, 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.320 you know, and it's so funny because when we're exposed 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.359 to these as children, I'm really it was the parts 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.280 that I could see, right, so like a lot of 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.720 times my parents would have me cover my eyes and 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:49.800 like you know, I could only see like so much. 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.040 So to me, that's so fascinating. I don't remember until 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:58.440 I was older, this scene with the Old Lady. Yes, 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:00.639 so you were allowed to watch like those types of 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.159 movies when you're a kid, Yes, Like I remember watching 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.800 True Lies Total callback. Uh. And there's a very sexy 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.520 scene with Jamie Also, my we talked about Jamie Lee 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.200 Curtis when you were here last time. Um, but yeah, 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.919 this scene, there's like a sexy scene with her, and um, 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:18.840 I couldn't watch that, But of course I did, Like 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:20.640 my parents would do a thing where like I don't 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.679 know how, but they would somehow like stop it and 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.600 fast forward, like maybe they'd just be like, get a snack. 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:27.720 But there were all these gaps in movies that I 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:29.240 watched as an adult, and I was like, what are 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.560 all these deleted scenes that I'm seeing for the first time. Yeah, 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.360 so the one with the old woman was so triggering 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.680 and scary. And I do love that they have, um 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.680 Halloween Horror Nights. Last year they had a shining experience. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.640 I don't know if you went to it. I went 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.520 to halleen Horn Knights last year, but I don't. I 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.480 think it was two years ago. I feel like it 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:51.679 was it, Yeah, because I went last year and it 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:54.120 wasn't there. I wish I could. Oh, yeah, maybe it right. 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:56.360 It was like, you're right, it was two years ago. Yeah. 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.760 It was like a maze. Uh, you could go through 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.879 the maze from the movie. And then also there was 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.639 a scene uh with the here's Johnny you know in 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.360 the acts, and I was like, how often did they 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.240 switch out these um actors because that would be exhausting. 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.760 Oh yeah, totally fries your vocal cords to scaracters. Yeah. 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.520 Well that was what's so funny, because you know, I've 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:19.360 been trying to get people to go to hord Nights 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:22.240 and they're like, if you hate scary things, why would 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:26.240 you go? But I was like, universal, like when they're mazes, 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.520 they recreate like some of the like when I went 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.320 like my whole tune change when I did the Halloween 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.080 maze and you're walking through the house and you're seeing 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.000 scenes from the movie. I was like, this is terrifying, 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.200 but this is also like on a nerdy level, cool 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.840 to see, like walking through the living room and seeing 0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.320 on the news the Michael Myers murders and then it 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.520 goes back to when he's a kid and you can 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.480 see him getting ready to stab his sister. Like that 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.640 stuff as scary as it is, and it is scary, 0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.920 Like the coolness kind of like made it worth it, 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.080 And then I think, I'll so did the Freddie versus 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.480 Jason May's and the stuff they did there were whild 0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.760 like I was scared, but it was also they were 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.960 scaring me in such creative ways that I was laughing 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.560 because I was like why. There was like one where 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.040 he like literally pops out of a window in the 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.960 side of the wall, and I'm like, how would I 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:24.320 even prepare for this? This year? They have us And 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.520 it's so dope because they have a scene where it's 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.440 Lupeta versus Lupeta and I'm like, this is so cool. 0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:32.240 So was it just the tether's kind of coming at you? 0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.760 But but it's also the regular family trying to fight 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:39.680 for their lives. But yeah, it's and you're in the 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:44.000 mirror house, right scary? That was really scary In the 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.640 New movie Chapter two, that was one of the best 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:52.359 scenes mirror houses like classic cinema like suspense, because you 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:56.000 know it's like two people searching for someone and like 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.119 you see him or do you? You know? Yeah, they 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.360 aunt and yeah, I really I really did like that 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.800 scene and just the guilt that they kind of forced 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.040 him to go through that like I like, you know, 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:13.080 almost like philosophical horror, where it's where it's like it's 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:16.720 not technically scary for the person, but what it's doing 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:18.760 to that or I guess you would say like more 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.840 mental like what it's doing for their mentality because it's 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.840 putting them in a situation where he cannot save this 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:28.000 person and he's been trying so hard. Absolutely, Stephen King 0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.440 is great at that. There's just like a ton of anguish, 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:33.080 especially in his short stories. It's like what a person 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.560 can do to another person, and like the sort of 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.160 what's great about it is that the apathy that people 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.040 have and how that can deteriorate and turn into like 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.879 a monster. It's I think it's some of his strongest 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:50.040 work is when he explores the stuff that's not just supernatural. Yeah. 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:52.600 So what are some of his other connecting factors between 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.160 his works? Do you notice like a common thread? Oh? Yeah, 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.399 I mean that's my favorite thing about Stephen King is 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.560 that all of his books are connected. And I'm I 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.440 know you two are, like you mean, in the same universe, right, Yes, yeah, 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.560 so I know you guys are huge Marvel Universe people. 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.199 I have I don't have a comic book background, but 0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.240 I can meet you at that level where it's so 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.960 fun to see characters and stories we've in and out. 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:15.879 And the cool thing about it, and I think they 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.399 really missed an opportunity is that it is a huge 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.800 connecting um tier to everything else, all the other stories. 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.800 And I feel like there's a lot of money out 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.960 there for somebody who decides to start weaving these stories together, 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:33.639 because it's there already. I mean, horror really needs a 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.240 Marvel universe, I think, and that if you did the 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.520 Dark Tower series, which is it is connected to Dark Power. 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.160 That's his long like eight book series and thousands and 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.960 thousands of pages of a story that weaves all of 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.640 his books together and could be like the next Game 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.959 of Drones for HBO. Well that's that's the kind of 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.680 like tough part two about Dark Towers because all the 0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.680 Stephen King fans know and just they've never been able 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.920 to nail it, and and it's and like people are 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.640 really excited because they're like, well it's pretty good, so 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.720 we can maybe get a good Dark Tower. And it 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.479 seems like they fumbled it yet again. Oh yeah, they 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.560 totally missed an opportunity because the whole end of the book. 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.040 It is about things that happen in the Dark Tower 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.280 and how cool it had been to do that. It 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.920 would be like the end credits of a scene in 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.240 a Marvel movie where you're like, oh, who's going to 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:26.280 be up next? And like a call to a movie 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:27.920 that comes out in two more years. Do you think 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:30.400 they're just so scared of that giant turtle? They're like, 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.480 people aren't ready for the giant turtle? You know what? 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:36.160 I feel like Stephen King gets a lot of flak 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:37.880 for like some corniness, and a big thing with the 0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.160 new movies is them like making fun of Bill's character 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.760 for writing bad endings. Everybody thinks Stephen King writes bad endings, 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.560 but I think there's some hokey nous to it. But 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.080 if you embraced it and just did it instead of 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:51.960 making fun of it, I think you could do something 0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:54.120 really weird. Because it's very similar to a lot of 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:55.840 stuff you love in the eighties that are like kind 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:59.000 of Jim Henson like that. We don't think that stuff 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:02.120 is cheesy, even know the Dark Crystal could be cheesey. 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:03.960 I don't know if it's because it's for adults that 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.120 people immediately then think it's corny. Well, that was the 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.080 hump they had to jump over for comic books, the 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:11.040 moment they allowed them to just be comic book movies 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.280 and being a shame. Like I've said that a million times, 0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.240 that's when we found success. And I think so. I 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.920 think so too. I'm like, there's a movie with a 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.440 talking raccoon. I'm sure people aren't going to be that 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:24.320 freaked out about a giant turtle being the enemy of 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.560 a clown that literally shapes shifts, and like, we haven't 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.720 seen that before, So like, isn't that kind of exciting? 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.440 I would I don't know, you could do puppetry with it. 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:35.880 It could be a whole new kind of take on 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.040 something we haven't seen before, instead of being like, let's 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.280 not do it. And the fact that they crammed seven 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:44.120 wild into one movie, and then I think it turns 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.040 people off because they're like, well, that was a terrible movie. 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.640 It's like that was like five thousand pages of a 0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:52.760 book into ninety minutes. That was just irresponsible and reckless decisions. 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.160 It would be doing the Harry Potter series all in 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:58.080 one movie exactly where honestly, it's kind of funny that 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.640 as a studio, you wouldn't want to milk that. That's 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.000 exactly what I'm saying, Like, I think it would be 0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:06.400 so perfect for HBO or Showtime or I mean even 0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:09.920 a MC. You could basically have something for ten years. Yeah, 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.080 I think that would be the move forward because I 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.160 think that's the fear is. I think when it comes 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:18.920 to horror, people are always afraid to do big budget 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.320 horror like there there. They love the low hanging horror 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.680 because you're going to get those international cells. You know, 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.600 it's going to be easy money. So anything that adds 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.520 risks to horror, I think scare studio. So I think 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.160 TV may be the way to go. Just yeah, I 0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:34.080 mean we're in the best time for it right now. 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.560 I think everybody is looking for escape horror because we 0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.120 have so much horror in our real lives that it 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.960 helps us to kind of look out and like satirize 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:47.120 some of that through like comic over the top horror. Okay, 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.440 so you know a lot about Stephen Hanging. You've read 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.440 a lot of his works. Yeah, I feel like I've 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:56.479 probably read I don't know, two thirds of not three fourths. 0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.840 Why am I doing maths right now? And that if 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.760 not three thirdis so It's like some of his newer books, 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.080 like I haven't read Mr. Mercedes and I haven't read 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:07.880 like Under the Dome, but um, Doctor Sleep, I think 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.360 is like the newest of his novels that I'm so excited. Yeah, 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:14.000 we discussed it and I just I can't get enough 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.560 of the visuals. The trailer is so good. Well, I wanna, like, 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.880 you know, instead of just going through this author's life 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.600 and being like ha, and I want to bring up 0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:26.760 things from his childhood that I feel would be an influence. 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.160 And you tell me if you've read it. One of 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.080 the things is that you know, uh, when King waste. 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.520 When Stephen King was two years old, his father left 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.960 his family and his mother raised Stephen and his older 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:41.480 brother by herself, and sometimes he had financial strain because 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.920 of that. And I feel like that is an element 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:47.280 that all artists, artists love pulling from their upbringing in 0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.320 their parents. And definitely there's so many stories that he 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.360 writes about. There's a lot of domestic violence in his books, 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.560 and a lot of single women breaking out on their 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.600 own and like trying to build their lives despite like 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.480 the real life horror. And then you know something supernatural 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.280 is often woven in that too, um And so I 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:09.360 think that specifically speaks to stories like um Gerald's Game 0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.760 or Dolores Clayborne or even Beverly in it escaping her 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.680 abusive husband later and the Shining definitely the Shining, Yeah, 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.760 I mean the Shining feels like it's one that is 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.920 the most connected to him because it's about the writer 0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:26.400 who's like losing it and but also a small child 0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:30.040 and the mom and they're like, now the mom is 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:34.360 scared because of this abusive husband. Yeah, yeah, he's like both. 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.000 I feel like he's in a way all three character probably. Yeah, 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.840 I'm sure you're aware of what people believe is Stephen 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:44.040 King's horror writer origin story, which is as a child, 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.440 King apparently witnessed one of his friends being struck and 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:48.680 killed by a train. Though he has no memory of 0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:50.920 the event, his family told him that after leaving home 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.920 to play with a boy, King return speechless and seemingly 0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.440 in shock. Only later did the family learn of the 0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:02.160 friend's death. So everyone suggesting that that psychologically inspired why 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:06.600 he does such dark you know works, but there's no 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:11.399 nobody has ever. Yeah, I don't think Kings like, yeah, 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:14.319 that's what I'm spooky. But oh my gosh, this is 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:16.960 so fascinating to me as someone that deals with trauma, 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.279 the links to which your brain will go to protect you. 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:24.120 So he witnessed the murder of a child, Yeah, his 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.960 friend being killed by a train, and um, completely blacked 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:31.120 that out, because how can you keep going on, right, 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:33.239 especially when you're a kid. That's why a lot of 0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.440 people that deal with trauma don't remember elements of their 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.600 childhood definitely. And then it comes out in other ways, um. 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.720 And I mean, of course, like a story like The Body, 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.600 which goes on to be one of his most famous 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:47.360 movies stand by Me about kids finding a dead body, 0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:52.880 and then um, yeah, near the train track exactly, and 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:56.000 then pet Cemetery, which is about like a kid getting 0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.600 killed by a semi truck. I mean it's a large 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:05.440 part of that story. And parental grief and brother sister grief. Um. 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:07.120 I mean, I think you can see that kind of 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.160 woven into everything. That's where a lot of his supernatural 0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:14.040 is up against the realistic, like something normal, awful happens, 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.640 and then ghosts and monsters are connected to that, And 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.719 I think that's a really interesting way of processing trauma. Also, Yes, absolutely, 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:23.520 I think that we do that a lot in comedy, 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.560 where it's like, well, we can't just talk about this sad, 0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.719 awful thing. We're not going to just talk about the 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.880 domestic abuse, so we're not just going to talk about, 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.520 you know, seeing my friend murdered. It is there's other elements, 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.040 like you said, like that is the way that you 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.000 can connect to the audience. You can bring them in 0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:42.080 or else it's just this awful, horrible thing that you're watching. Absolutely, 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.399 and like we already have so much of that now, 0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:46.640 and I think that is why there is more horror 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:49.319 to examine right now, because how much more of it 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.359 can we take on the news. Maybe we can put 0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:54.480 it through this filter of monsters, right or ghosts or 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.480 whatever that's like more easily accessible than just watching the 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:00.839 actual horror of the world. Yeah. Absolutely. One of um 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.319 one of my favorite books, Gerald's Game, which is a 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.080 book that's highly underrated and got a little more play 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.799 recently because there was a Netflix movie that came out 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:10.799 a couple of years ago. By the way, did you 0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.480 like that? I didn't watch it? And here is why, 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.800 because like it's trigger warning a lot about sexual assault 0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:19.080 and a friend of mine told me that that was 0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.440 like there was a lot of scenes of that, and I, 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.160 whereas I have no problem actually reading about it, watching 0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:28.000 sexual assault as like entertainment, Like I just can't do it. 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.640 It's the most triggering thing to me. So I was like, Oh, 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:32.840 I really love the book though, And the book is 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.640 one of the most frightening books. And it's just a woman. 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:38.520 The plot is that it's a woman who is like 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.000 playing having sex games with her husband, is handcuffed to 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:45.000 the bed. He has a heart attack during and dies, 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.160 and she's handcuffed to this bed and can't get out, 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.040 and like, but she starts seeing somebody in the room 0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:54.560 with her, and so it's like there's a supernatural element 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.560 to it. So she's by herself and she's reliving bad 0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:59.400 things that happened to her, but then also thinking that 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:01.920 there's a scary element in the room, and like for 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.239 one person to have like a four page book and 0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:07.439 have that be fascinating. It's one of the scariest books 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:09.759 I've ever read. Just the idea of being alone with 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.440 your thoughts of trauma, but then also a spooky person 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:16.560 who's maybe watching you. Like it's it's really really good. 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.360 Did you watch the movie or no? No, I just 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.799 I also think that that concept is really fascinating that 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.560 it takes place all in this one kind of singular 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.600 with this woman. Um not quite the same at all, 0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:30.239 but just what popped in my head is do you 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.640 remember that movie with the pay phone where he was 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:36.680 stuck in the pay phone? But like, to me, any 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:38.560 time that you could eat, whether people loved it or not, 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.880 any time that you can be in the singular moment 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:47.680 and kind of like health time go what did I say, payphone? 0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.520 I don't have enough change, but for you to be 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:56.839 for you to be riveted by this like I always, uh, 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:58.840 I like that risk. I always have a lot of 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.080 respect for people that can that can that can show 0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.440 something in like real time like that absolutely in one 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.919 location which one looks really great at. And that's what's 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.640 so exciting about the Shining is just that it's like 0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.520 one small place that goes on for an endless kind 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.480 of amount because it is connected to this other universe 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.719 of souls that are in there and stuck in there, 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.359 and it's it's neat because I like the idea of 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.840 like the world that you see is bigger and greater, 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.680 and crazier than you could ever imagine. And he's really 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.560 great at exploring that. Have you gone to either of 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:33.239 the Shining Houses? I know there's a miniseries, there's a 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:37.520 TV one house, right or No, what am I thinking of? 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.359 There's the hotel, the hotel, there's there's inside, Okay, that's 0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.360 what I'm thinking. There's the inside, which is one one hotel, 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.960 and the outside, which is a different hotel. Yes. So 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:51.120 the Stanley Hotel in um Estes Park, Colorado. I got 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.040 to go to it two years ago, and that is 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.200 the one that he stayed at and that that when 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.520 he wrote it. Yeah, and so I went to the 0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.080 room and I got to like, well, we weren't supposed to, 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.640 but I snuck up there like my little picture in 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:07.160 front of it, like the room that he like wrote 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:09.400 a lot of it in. Which was another reason that 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:11.920 hotel was really fun is it's also where they filmed 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.760 Dumb and Dumber when they're an aspen at the hotel. 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:16.520 So I was just like the two sides of my 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.560 personality were just like lighting up, like horror and comedy. 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:21.960 Um and they have a lot of drinks on the 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:24.520 menu that are Shining inspired, which is really cute and 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.279 fun also, and then there's the one that was the 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:30.120 actual outside of Outside, which I think is in Washington State. 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.240 I could be wrong, but I haven't gotten to see 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.719 that one. I wanted to talk real quickly about some 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.319 of his influences, because I know that he's influenced a 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:42.600 lot of artists, but it looks like some of his influences, Uh, 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:47.120 Edgar Allan Poe as you would make so much. So 0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.120 does everyone else on here to be honest, HP Lovecraft, 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:55.040 j R. R. Tolkien, Ray Bradberry, Bram Stoker, of course, 0:39:56.360 --> 0:40:00.359 Shirley Jackson, Richard Matheson My Baby, who wrote a bunch 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.480 of that sounds awkward, especially looking at this picture of him, 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.799 because he's just an old guy in a top hat. Um, 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:06.400 but you won't see you as a guy in a 0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:11.399 top hat. Yeah, you know, you're right. Um. He wrote 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.960 a lot of the Twilight Zone episodes, Uh, William Faulkner, Um, 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:19.600 Alexander Dumas, Henry James and William Golden goes on forever. 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.920 But um, do any of those stand out to you? Yeah? Definitely, 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.680 I think especially somebody like brom Stoker, who was inspired 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.399 to write Dracula because of tuberculosis victims, and like they 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.440 were the way that they looked, which was like gaunt 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.719 and pale, and their how their nails and hair kept 0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.239 girl as it does everybody. Your nails and hair keep 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.919 growing after death. But people at the time would dig 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.520 up tuberculosis victims and see that and think they were 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.920 still alive because they didn't know scientifically that that's what 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.239 happens to everybody's body. So he used all these things 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.080 that were real, real diseases to create a larger horror, 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.480 which is a really big part of Stephen King's work, 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.959 especially one of his most popular books, The Stand, which 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:03.040 was a mini series iffy at best, Like, there's some 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.160 really great characters in it, but then there's also like 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.920 a lot of magical Negro stuff. Um, there's a lot 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.000 of rape in it. It could be it could definitely 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:12.200 have some new life breathed into it. But I love 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.799 the book and sprawling epic stories like J. R. R. Tolkien. Um, 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.399 I think The Stand and then The Dark Tower. If 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.960 you like The Lord of the Rings like you will 0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.640 love the Dark Tower series and understand while it was 0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.960 in high school, the Dark Tower was blowing up like 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:31.160 everyone was reading it. Yeah, everyone, like anybody who likes 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.799 it every time somebody at loving it. You gotta also 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:36.880 understand I was hanging out with the weaves and comics. 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.799 Weren't you in like anime club or something. No, it 0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:43.799 was a martial arts club, which was a undercover fight club. 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:49.480 Oh that's much tougher because we're blasting like the like 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.560 song from Blade and the Mortal Kombat techno music while 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:59.440 sparring on the mats. We were the dorky is did 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:03.960 you cover pseudonyms? Richard Bachman? We did not talk about Bachman, 0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.640 which I really love. Backman stuff is still good and 0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:09.520 I really love the reason that he did it, which 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.920 was that he was worried. I think this is the 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.120 thing that probably happens to you if you get popular 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.040 enough that you're like, do people like my work or 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.880 they just like my name and they'll do watch and 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.080 do anything that I do. And he's successful enough to 0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.080 do this though, yeah, because like anyone else, you would 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.200 just like wanting you would have to use your name 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.000 to try and get in places. But he was so 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.520 successful he was like, let me see if they actually 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.480 like me, and then like yeah, like they sold Like 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.160 I don't know, I want to say, like two hundred 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:44.080 thousand of his first book, which was Rage in Right, 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.400 And then once it came out that he wrote it, 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.160 then it was like a million more copies were as sold. 0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.319 So it's like, yes, your name does have to do 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:55.040 with it, but but do you like any of those? 0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:58.160 So it was raped. So under Richard Bachman he wrote 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.600 a handful of short novels We Have Age in nineteen 0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:04.640 seventy seven, The Long Walk nineteen seventy nine, Roadwork nineteen 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.560 eighty one, The Running Man nineteen eight two, and Thinner 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.640 nineteen eight four. Um, I do actually like Dinner. I 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:13.719 think the movie is rough, um, but at Dinner is 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:15.759 really interesting, although it does have sort of like that 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:20.120 gypsy like a magical gipsy woman, which is also offensive 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:24.680 now it was then, But um, I really like. The 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:30.040 Long Walk is kind of a dystopian story about kids 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.560 who have to walk at the same pace and they 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:36.200 have yeah yeah, like guards around them, and if they 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.680 go any faster or any slower, they get killed on 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:43.160 the spot. Speed yeah yeah, yeah, but for walking wait 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:45.360 and so wait, tell me more. I'm kind of fascinating. 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:48.560 So with this concept, so is the whole book. These 0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:52.960 kids are they walking somewhere because it's short novel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:54.960 all you do so you you you drop in on 0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:58.560 these kids as they're walking. Yeah, it's a point of 0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.920 view through one of the kids. I you know what, 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.839 that's a good question. I don't remember if it's through 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:06.680 one of the kids or not. Because what happens is 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.880 the idea that everybody gets killed and the last person 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.600 standing gets like a prize. So it has sort of 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.759 like a Hunger Games kind of feel to it. And 0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:18.600 when I was a teenager, I was so obsessed with 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:23.960 dystopian realities and that like, these things can all be possible. Um, 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:25.920 So I did really like that one a lot, And 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:29.840 I think that could be a really interesting anthology. So cool. 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:32.279 I wish that they did as Stephen King, and like 0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:39.640 they're definitely more streaming services and platforms pushing towards horror anthology. Yeah, definitely, 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.760 And I think that Stephen King is a perfect person 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.200 to pull from. Yeah. Absolutely, And they tried to do 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:47.680 that with Castle Rock on Hulu. But the problem with 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.839 that is they actually wrote all of it before they 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.680 had the rights to Stephen King's work, So then what 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:55.760 they did they got their rights before it was finished, 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.040 so then they started shoehorning details in and so it 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.480 doesn't a hundred per scent work. There's elements of it 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:03.360 that are exciting, and I think if you're not a 0:45:03.400 --> 0:45:06.520 Stephen King person, it could possibly get you into the universe, 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:09.640 which is great. But as somebody who's just like really 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.359 obsessed with this work, I'm like, his, it's just not 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.200 it's not a lot of new ground. I'll keep watching it. 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:17.080 By the way, I lived in Castle Rock. It is 0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:19.920 a thousand percent haunted and it's also where I got divorced. 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.120 My house was haunted. Not even kidding. I actually was 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.600 on like a haunted podcast talk about how haunted my 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.759 house actually are. When we moved in as newlywed, our 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:30.920 neighbors came over to tell us that our house was haunted. 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:32.839 I was like, that's like a Stephen King story. It's 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:34.640 always a neighbor coming in to be like your life's 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:39.160 about to be. I was just like, thanks with information. 0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.839 Just bought a house with my husband, which is very 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:43.919 hard to do but much easier if you don't live 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.680 in California. And um, this was a couple of years 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.160 ago when people could actually still get loans and stuff, 0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:54.120 but I just want to say that upfront. Um, but yeah, 0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.640 I remember them telling me that. I thought, like, how rude. 0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:58.440 It is rude because you're like, well what do I 0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.480 do about it? Now? But then its haunted? Uh? And 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:05.560 when I told my neighbor, they like fell into a 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.279 puddle on the floor, like they were so they did 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:09.200 not want to live across from our haunted house anymore. 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:10.920 I think they had seen so many tenants come in 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:12.720 and out of it, so you like cleared out the block, 0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:14.840 like this block is no good, We'll just set it 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.239 on fire and let's all move to California. We're also 0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.520 in the Coldest act like we were the end house. Um, 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:21.480 so like a bunch of bookie about that, like a 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:27.000 dead end. Your house is the dead end. We have 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:29.160 to take a really quick break. We're gonna hop more 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:40.600 into Stephen King right after this what is if we 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:44.400 are back and thank you for listening to another nerdificent 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:48.360 here with Danny Fernandez, Lucy Tomlin Brenner. You know, I 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:53.000 mean way and we're we're we're going to jump into 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.960 some you know, Stephen King essentials, you know, and guided 0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:02.200 of course by the the Halloween Queen. You really are 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:04.600 like you have such a I mean, I'm sure there 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:06.880 are things we haven't even asked you, but we should 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:08.640 just like turn the mic on, just let you talk. 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:13.160 I would just start being like, okay, in theft hundreds 0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:16.480 and I first started carving parsnips to be Jack a lantern, 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:19.040 like I could get real dry. I thought you were 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.560 talking about you. I'm like a hundred I thought you 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:22.319 were saying when I was car I'm like, she's a 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:25.000 hundred percent of which I respect this. We'll start this out. 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:30.680 I love Halloween history. She was alive back then. Re Accidentally, 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:35.200 I've been burned twenty times and I'm still kicking. There's 0:47:35.200 --> 0:47:38.200 a twilight zone about Cleopatra. I don't Yeah, it's my favorite, 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:41.040 but she's like an actress today and like you know, 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.960 it kind of slips, but she wants people to know, like, yeah, 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:46.239 you know, because she looks so good. She's lived for 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:50.319 centuries and like she like kind of you know, she 0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.799 keeps it a secret, but also kind of not like 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:56.760 you know, I was a queen. Um. I love that. Okay, 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.640 So what are some of the other works of his 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.879 that really resonated with you? Um? Carrie was the first 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:06.160 book that I read and I've always loved the book 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:11.280 um about a teenage girl who's finding her telekinesis powers 0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:15.000 and how that aligns with how unpopular and misunderstood she is. 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:16.880 And it's like one of these things where like her 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:19.719 mom is an obsessive religious zealot, which kind of keeps 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.080 her from being popular because it's hard to come out 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.080 of that, but it also makes her weird. So none 0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:25.880 of the kids at school like her. But she's not 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.560 into either. She just wants to live and she has 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:32.399 nothing but these amazing powers. And I that was something 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.480 that really resonated with me in middle school and I 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:36.480 first read it and I was just like, I just 0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.080 remember fantasizing about like who I could throw across the 0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:42.200 room with powers? Yes, it was Carrie a superhero. She 0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:44.960 is kind of a superhero. It's just the thing that's 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.520 a bummer. Is like her powers kind of end to 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.160 her death and the death of everyone else's. But I 0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.799 love people love Di Palma's seventy six version, but I 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.920 think Kimberly Pierce of Boys Don't Cry, her version of 0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:01.480 two thousand and thirteen is truly a feminist like action hero, 0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.600 extreme revenge horror has like an insane kill in it 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.320 that I've never seen in any other movie. And more importantly, 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.319 there's like no male gaze in it, which is a 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.359 big problem with like a lot of his adaptations are 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.239 they're directed by men, and so women are kind of 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.799 the set dressings. But like Karry, this is like her 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:20.959 story and it's about her reclaiming the power from being 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:23.520 both like oppressed at school and oppressed by her mother, 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.879 and it's Julianne Moore is in it as her mother, 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.200 who has clearly also had some abuse in her life, 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.600 and about her regaining power kind of through self harm, 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:36.080 which is interesting in a very complicated storyline, but helmed 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:38.400 by a woman makes it so much more interesting and 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:41.200 empowering to me. So I definitely want people to watch 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:45.160 that film because it makes it is closer to the book, 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:49.080 and it is also it fleshes out these characters in 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:52.320 a much more fascinating way than Brianda Palmer is able 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:55.560 to um again with a female director as the original 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.880 pet Cemetery by Mary Lambert is a really great adaptation 0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.960 of the book. Book is a little more campy and 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:04.880 its horness is just like very intense, very brutal. The 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:08.200 entire time. It's not as intellectual some of his other books, 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:10.600 but it is NonStop scary if you want to just 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:14.279 read something that's just like boo boo boo um. And 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:17.560 I really like Mary Lambert's version and the remake I 0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:21.040 was excited about, but it's just such a modern bomber, 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.560 like a lot of like just jump scares, loud music, dark, Yeah, 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.560 just chief scares instead of building up to it. Yeah. 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.759 I hate that we're talking about, you know, the for 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.960 lack of a better term, women's touch on Carry. And 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.439 there's something about the writing of Carry that I want 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:40.040 to like point out that I think is a just 0:50:40.120 --> 0:50:44.160 a good writing tip. Uh. In nineties seventy three with 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:47.400 the novel Carry, it was accepted by the publishing house 0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:50.760 Double Day, but it was going to be his fourth novel, 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.839 but it was the first to be published so for Carry. 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:57.920 The novel actually began as a short story that was 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.000 supposed to be for the Cavalier magazine, but King tossed 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.680 the first three pages in the garbage can and it 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:06.840 was actually Tabitha King who finished the pages out of 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.759 the garbage and encouraged him to finish the story, and 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.239 she said that she would help him with the female perspective, 0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:14.200 and he followed her advice and then we had to 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:16.520 carry so it was like so even he knew he 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.680 was like, I'm bad at writing women, and he was like, oh, 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.600 if I just talked to one and help her out, 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.919 and you know, yeah, talking to women can really help 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:30.160 you create any well. Yeah, and that's like whenever somebody's 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:34.200 like because you know, sometimes I'll get and even sometimes 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:36.319 listeners have hit me up and be like, you know, 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.320 you and Danny talked about you know, white folks writing 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:41.239 you know about people of color or women of color 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:42.680 and all this like what is the thing. I was like, 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.840 We'll send it to a person of color, woman of 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:49.880 color because they let them and let them know, like 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:53.560 like like let them know, be honest, because it's honestly 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.880 if you if you would, if I would have got loquishia, 0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:01.720 I would have been like ye no, oh my gosh, chief, 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:05.439 I'm gonna say the same. Yeah. No. I definitely think 0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:09.200 he struggles with that with his black characters as well. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.040 He does that like gross thing that I think a 0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:13.520 lot of writers that they might still do it, but 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:16.080 definitely in the seventies and eighties where it's like describing 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.200 their skin like food. Yeah, you know, and like using 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.920 slang that's just so over the top and so unnatural 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.279 that like you don't even realize you can cringe while 0:52:25.280 --> 0:52:27.520 you're reading a book. It's just like, oh, I'm shuddering. 0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.960 When when Lee Unchorage wanted to do Coco, like they 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:33.719 were like, okay, but you need to immerse yourself. You 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.680 need to go to Mexico. You need to be there. 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:39.000 Um and actually, like you know, so he's not just 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:41.719 like writing something that he's not familiar with. And of 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:45.799 course he also brought on um Adrian Molina. But yeah, 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.040 you need to work with people of color or women 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.880 are like anybody whose voice is not your voice because 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:54.200 other right, we talked about this with it um. Chapter 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.520 two starting with a hate crime, like if you are 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:59.160 a person who's not affected by hate crimes, brought it 0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.120 by someone who is because it's so tone deaf otherwise 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:07.200 and triggering, super triggering. Um, I wanted to talk about two. 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:10.680 How I saw Secret Window a rear window. Oh man, 0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.040 I love secret windows, Secret Windows. Secret Garden is a 0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:17.000 short story and then it was made into a movie 0:53:17.120 --> 0:53:20.400 just called a Secret Window about a writer who is 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.680 plagued by a man who keeps insisting that the book 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.600 that he's famous for was written by this insane man 0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:28.839 who keeps showing up at his doorstep day after day. 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:31.239 And they made the movie in like two thousand and 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:34.840 five thousand and six, with Johnny Depp and John Taturot 0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:37.799 being the guy who shows up on his footstep on 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:42.439 his doorsteps saying you stole my story over and over 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.080 throughout the entire movie, and that for me is enough 0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:49.640 to love a movie. Um, it's Johnny Depp. Um. At 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:51.600 the last time I think he was cute, he is 0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:54.440 abusive and the worst. But Weekend acknowledge he was like 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:56.239 a heart job in the nineties. The last time he 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.080 was cute was when he was in this movie. And 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.640 he's actually like pretty good in it. Uh. It is 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:04.600 actually a very underrated adaptation. There's just a couple of like, yeah, 0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:06.360 so he's super known for horror. I know you were 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:10.319 talking about Creep Show, which has it's which is out 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.680 now a new version of Creep Show yea on um 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:18.400 shutter yeah anthology series, so that one isn't all based 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.520 on his stories like some of them are, like the 0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:24.040 original Creep Show movies. He did with George Romero of 0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:27.759 Donna the Dead, um Night a Living Dead zombie fame, 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:31.960 and a couple of those were based on his short stories, 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.080 and then a couple of them were like original stories 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:37.839 and they split directing. And he also cameoed in one 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:41.279 of the original creep Show Saidila, I know that he 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:43.719 cameoed in it too, but like he likes to pop up. 0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:46.480 He's like m Night Shamalan. Yes, he I love and 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.239 I love a cameoke. I don't think it's cheesy. I 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:52.080 think it's cute, like you worked hard, show your face. Um. 0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:55.400 He directed the only movie he ever directed, Maximum Overdrive, 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:57.600 which everybody thinks is like one of the worst horror 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.960 movies ever, but it's like a little fun. He cameos 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:02.360 in that and people think it's like one of the 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:05.879 worst cameos ever. Um. But yeah, he's in this one 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:09.240 where basically mold takes over it like some kind of alien. 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.640 Mold takes over his whole house and his whole face. 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:15.000 And there's some really good gifts of their out there 0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:17.719 of him covered in green grass. If you need a 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.759 good Stephen King gift, Can you talk to me a 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.480 little bit about the Green Mile because it just feels 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.759 like such a turn, but maybe because I'm not familiar 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:30.319 with his work. Um, it's it's a turn if if 0:55:30.360 --> 0:55:33.640 you're thinking of him as like a just a prolific 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:36.799 horror writer, which he is, but he does do a 0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:41.200 lot of work like Shawshank Redemption. I'm sorry, yes, also 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:44.359 that before definitely Like so, he's written a ton of 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:48.000 books that actually don't necessarily have horror horror elements. So 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:51.160 Stephen King, one of the inspirations that we didn't talk 0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:54.239 about was his love of crime and detective novels and 0:55:54.280 --> 0:55:57.000 Elmore Leonard is an author that he has been very 0:55:57.040 --> 0:56:00.799 inspired by, and so I think that when he explore 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:03.520 something like The Green Mile, what's really interesting about it 0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:06.759 is that it came out serially like it's a really 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.360 large book, but originally it just came out chapter by chapter, 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:11.680 which is something that they used to do back in 0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.520 like the forties and fifties, where you would just get 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:17.520 part of a crime novel like every week or every month. 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.480 And so he was trying to use that element in 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.239 a new way with a new story, and that's how 0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:25.359 The Green Mile came to be. And he wanted to 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:31.600 use that UM Prison Um, the grayness of like who's 0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:34.440 really bad, who's really good? That comes up in a 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:36.000 lot of his work, and I think it is interesting 0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:39.120 because when you deal with monsters and the supernatural, there's 0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:41.239 a big bad and then there's the good and you're 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:43.279 fighting each other, especially in the stand which is just 0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:49.120 about good and evil. But when you start exploring um, crime, uh, 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:54.720 police prison systems, it becomes this grayness of some people 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:57.120 are about some people are good. And I think through 0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:00.480 his work that is not straightforwardly super now trull, he's 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:05.239 able to explore the like gray upsetting nous of our 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:09.000 real society. So it's still very challenging. And then he 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.439 weaves a little bit of supernatural elements into the green. 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:15.080 Well those all those UM stand by Me and the 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.520 Shawshank Redemption and the Green Mild, they all have horror 0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:22.280 elements to them, like something terrifying that happens or crime. 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:25.760 Like you said, so that that is still fascinating. Um. 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.880 But Okay, so you've read so many of his books 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:31.240 and still are reading his books. Have you noticed a 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:34.240 change in his writing style over the years. Um. I 0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:38.000 think that there's more nuance as he you know, knows 0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:41.040 more about the world ages as we all learn that 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:44.560 some things are like not appropriate anymore, or things that 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:48.320 are more interesting the older you get. Um and ideas 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:50.920 that he keeps coming back to related to the Dark Tower. 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:52.840 So the thing that I love about his books is 0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:56.600 it always has the nuance and the expository writing where 0:57:56.600 --> 0:58:00.200 he explores everything in minute details, which I love. But 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:05.280 then I think he has flushed out characters every decade 0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:07.760 more and more and more and made them, like made 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.360 the female characters way more interesting and more in depth 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:13.960 and less caricature e. And I will also say that 0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:17.880 I think his scary stuff is more about the world 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:23.160 being scary and less like haunted dogs, you know. But 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.840 I think his style that I love has stayed true. 0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:27.680 It's like every time I opened a Stephen King book, 0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.240 it feels like I'm at home, and it reminds me 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:32.440 of like being a teenager under the covers and just 0:58:32.520 --> 0:58:38.160 being like, m this feels like secret scary. I love that. Um, Well, 0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:40.800 I guess what are some other things? I know that 0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:45.200 it's impossible to talk about this man's ripping the table 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:48.440 because there's so many things. Now nobody writes this woman, 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.040 she clearly knows everything there is to know and if 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:53.360 we could go for four hours, she really would. I 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:55.360 hope that you get asked to be in a document 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.280 I got asked to be in a documentary for Twilight Zone. 0:58:57.320 --> 0:58:59.280 I was like, finally, the one thing that I know 0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:03.600 the most of asides Wonder Woman and anime, um, the 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.680 one thing. Well, everybody that listens to this has to 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.520 hear me reference it. But Rod Serling is the reason 0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:11.960 I became a writer, one of the biggest reasons, and 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:15.520 so so much of that and what I deal with. 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:17.960 You know, Stephen King is the reason I love horror. 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:20.240 That was my Stephen King, and I guess maybe Fear Street, 0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:21.760 although I don't want to give our els time that 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:25.479 much credit, but like, reading those as a tween got 0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:29.000 me interested in like this idea of greater worlds all 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:33.480 around us, with like spooky tentacles coming out of the darkness. Um. 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.760 And I think there's so many there's so many books 0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:39.280 that haven't been turned into movies, so you probably haven't 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:40.680 heard about. And I think a lot of people think 0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:44.200 that books after the nineties aren't as good. There's this 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:46.240 idea that like his early work as his best work, 0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.880 but like movie or excuse me books like Insomnia one 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:53.520 of my favorite books. It's so weird and it's so 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:56.560 creepy about like the idea that everybody has a life 0:59:56.640 --> 1:00:00.280 force that can be like we're connected to stroy ings 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:02.720 and that there's these supernatural beings that try to cut 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:05.760 our strings and that's how you die. It sounds cheesy, 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:09.360 but it is extremely sinister and disturbing and makes you 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:11.880 wonder if they're like what's around me all the time. 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:15.080 And it's very heavily connected to the Dark Tower. So 1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:16.800 if you're interested in the Dark Tower at all, but 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.520 you're not sure if you want to commit to eight books, 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:22.440 if you like Insomnia, then it'll throw you into it 1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:25.320 full force. So I love that book. I love a 1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:27.320 Bag of Bones, which and then came out in like 1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:30.800 the late nineties. It's a really classic ghost story and 1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:34.919 it's basically a cabin next to a lake and man 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:37.840 is being haunted by his wife and maybe something else. 1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:41.280 Uh So it sounds really simple, but there's so much 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:44.680 emotional core to it. It's also connected to the Dark Tower. 1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:47.000 See what I mean, they have a cash cow in 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:50.520 their hands. Uh So, I definitely think people should check 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:54.120 those books out. Um and Short his short story collections 1:00:54.120 --> 1:00:56.080 are bar none like if you don't want to commit 1:00:56.120 --> 1:01:00.640 to an elevene like it, uh, get like every things eventual. 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:03.160 That's one of my favorite short story collections. It has 1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:05.400 fourteen o eight in it, which was remade, which was 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:08.120 made into a movie with Samuel Jackson and John Cusick, 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:10.960 which is a pretty good movie, but was Yeah, it's 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:13.280 I just rewatched it and I'm like, this is still scary. 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:16.840 By the way the mist scared the rap out of it. 1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:22.240 We did dug. Yeah, it's a very upsetting. It messed 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:25.320 me up. The actual novella is very scary too, and 1:01:25.400 --> 1:01:28.560 not even just the ending, but the actual monsters they created. 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:30.720 I mean, I'm sure that he was super graphic in 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.000 the novel. I didn't read the novel. I just saw 1:01:33.040 --> 1:01:36.880 the movie and it was traumatizing. Yeah, No, it's really scary. 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:39.480 I'm always scared of the idea that, like in a disaster, 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:42.680 supernatural or otherwise, the way that people could turn against 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:45.640 each other and you depend on each other to survive. 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:47.840 It gets me in a very stressed place to see 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.080 that with the walking dead, like y'all need each other. 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:52.480 There's only so many of you humans left. I had 1:01:52.480 --> 1:01:54.640 to stop watching The Walking Dead for that exact reason, 1:01:54.720 --> 1:01:57.320 because I have such a control freak that I'm like, okay, listen, now, 1:01:57.320 --> 1:01:59.920 if we put a graph together to work out we 1:02:00.000 --> 1:02:04.120 can all survive. Um. But U is one of the 1:02:04.120 --> 1:02:06.280 scariest short stories I've ever read, because there's a lot 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:09.480 of uncanny elements and he thinks about things like that 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.440 are so strange to me, like a phone rings and 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.720 he picks it up, and it's just like a strange voice, 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:17.960 like counting random numbers and then intersplicing I've killed all 1:02:18.000 --> 1:02:20.560 your friends and then other numbers, and like you're all 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:23.960 gonna die, just like weird, like corny to just say 1:02:24.000 --> 1:02:26.840 it now, but like when you're reading and you're like cool, 1:02:26.840 --> 1:02:29.360 cool in a hotel, totally normal, And the the idea of 1:02:29.360 --> 1:02:31.720 getting like a phone call like that that makes no sense. 1:02:31.760 --> 1:02:35.400 Like I love that stuff, things that you're not expecting 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:39.360 that aren't just monsters but real and like why why 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:42.880 would this happen? Um? I really love Everything's eventual and 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:45.160 the like Skeleton Crew is a classic one and has 1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:47.160 that book that you were or that story that you 1:02:47.200 --> 1:02:50.480 were talking about The John Skeleton Crew is a very 1:02:50.520 --> 1:02:52.280 good one too, and so you can get like his 1:02:52.360 --> 1:02:55.720 short story collections and get like a huge jolt from 1:02:55.760 --> 1:02:59.160 them if you're not into the expository writing and move 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:01.280 forth and not feel like you have to, you know, 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:05.480 commit to all five thousand pages of the Dark Tower. Well, honestly, 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:09.280 probably bring you back to just talk about the Dark Tower. Oh, 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:12.160 I would love to. I have like three additional books 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:15.480 that are just compending on your eyes just got so wide, 1:03:15.880 --> 1:03:21.640 don't suppresent context didn't pop out? Um, well, where could 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:25.040 everyone cut you? You can get at me on Twitter 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:29.120 and Instagram at LTB Comedy Lucy Tomlin Brenner. Those are 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:32.160 my initials. Um. And I just started my own film 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:35.720 podcast because I constantly am talking about movies and movies 1:03:35.760 --> 1:03:38.600 that I feel like everybody is missing. So I have 1:03:38.640 --> 1:03:41.080 a new podcast called you Need to See This about 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:44.160 all the underrated gems in cinema, where me and my 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:46.560 friends try to convince people that things are worth it 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:50.400 spoiler free so you can listen even if you haven't 1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:52.400 seen it, and we won't ruin anything for you, and 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:56.400 it's positive. It's all positive, not ragging on anything. Oh 1:03:56.400 --> 1:04:00.800 that's fun for me. I don't have anything coming up. 1:04:01.520 --> 1:04:05.080 Oh actually yeah, in November. I'll be in St. Louis 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:09.880 the weekend of the eight so yeah, come through see 1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:12.200 me if you're in the St. Louis area. But besides that, 1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:16.760 U tune into my Twitter and Instagram for all my 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:19.720 shows coming up. That's where I posted, Yeah, same here, 1:04:20.040 --> 1:04:21.920 I have something really cool. It was kind of what 1:04:22.000 --> 1:04:24.200 I was saying about the Twilight Zone. But I was 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:27.480 in this documentary, um and you know how they have 1:04:27.520 --> 1:04:30.880 those Fathom events like before the movie starts and it's 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:33.440 like it'll be like check this Fathom event and you're like, 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:36.800 who does that? Well, it's one of those. So it'll 1:04:36.840 --> 1:04:39.560 be in theaters I think for one night only. Uh 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:44.120 November four. It's the Twilight Zone, a sixty anniversary celebration. 1:04:44.480 --> 1:04:46.760 So I saw that. I just texted that to a 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:48.280 friend and I was like, I have to go to this. 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:50.800 So I don't I know that I'm in part of it. 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:53.840 I think my full documentary like the full parts of me, 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:55.320 So I might just be in a small part of it. 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:58.479 Because I love that you're in it. That's so great. Yeah, 1:04:58.520 --> 1:05:00.480 So I think what I'm actually in is in like 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:03.880 a DVD release. I know that they're re releasing the 1:05:03.920 --> 1:05:07.560 toilet Zone for sixty anniversary, so we might be a 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:10.280 special feature. I'm not sure. I just know that I'm 1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:11.760 going to be in part of this, and then the 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:15.080 full documentary is you will I will definitely post about it. 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:17.600 But if that is something that strikes your fancy, there's 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:19.520 gonna be a lot of other people in it. I'm 1:05:19.560 --> 1:05:22.520 sure Jordan Peole will be in it because now that 1:05:22.560 --> 1:05:25.240 he's taking it on. But anyways, that's in theaters November four. 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:29.080 It is the Toilet Zone sixte anniversary celebration. Finally, the 1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:31.080 amount that I have plugged and talked about it has 1:05:31.120 --> 1:05:36.200 paid off. That's incredible. That's the dream I am so 1:05:36.240 --> 1:05:39.080 plugging you for. If anyone ever comes to me about 1:05:39.080 --> 1:05:42.360 horror stuff, thank you. Yeah, I just um one of 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:44.160 the I'll just leave it with one last thing is 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:47.920 that I think that the humanity in horror is what 1:05:48.160 --> 1:05:50.680 I love the most. I love being scared and ghosts 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:55.080 and monsters, but I love real people's experiences. And Stephen 1:05:55.160 --> 1:05:59.160 King is amazing at getting at the emotional core of fear. 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:01.919 So it's not just us boo, but it's also like, well, 1:06:01.960 --> 1:06:04.360 here's my life story, and then the boo is even 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:07.960 stronger and so I, um yeah, I really can't get 1:06:08.080 --> 1:06:09.920 enough of those types of stories. And if you like 1:06:10.280 --> 1:06:14.160 reading about real people going through like insane things, that's 1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:16.920 what makes him the most interesting to me. That's so cool. 1:06:17.280 --> 1:06:19.520 We'll have you back a promise. Great, I can't wait. 1:06:19.560 --> 1:06:21.480 Thank you so much for having me again. This was 1:06:21.680 --> 1:06:25.200 totally different from the Halloween one and but just as 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:27.760 much fun. So I appreciate it. No, we appreciate you 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:30.400 for coming on. Thank you so much for stopping by, 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:32.800 and thank you all for listening. This has been another 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:37.120 nertive sent and like we always say, stay nerdy, stay spooky. 1:06:37.120 --> 1:06:38.480 Oh yeah, but last spook