Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Nerdificent. I'm
Speaker 1: your host. If you wide away and not sitting across
Speaker 1: from me as Danny, he had prior obligations ripping and
Speaker 1: rolling around town, and so it's just me sitting in
Speaker 1: with a good friend Lucy Tomlin Brennan. How are you doing. Hello,
Speaker 1: I'm fantastic. Thank you for having me. Of course, you
Speaker 1: know we had to get you back on the second
Speaker 1: sp October. We wouldn't we wouldn't dream of going without you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I rewatched all of the Halloween movies again
Speaker 1: thinking about how we did it all last year together.
Speaker 1: I thought of you because on Who Shot You? We
Speaker 1: mentioned um Halloween three season of the w and it
Speaker 1: was because someone asked, like, it would have been a
Speaker 1: good who shot call for you? But it was like,
Speaker 1: what's a scary What's what are bad scary movies? And
Speaker 1: someone said that, and then too, I think Dreya said
Speaker 1: it's it's it's still good, and I think Alonso also
Speaker 1: cakes it's not bad. I'm sorry. Snakes leaking out of
Speaker 1: a melted kid's face. That is an amazing visual. I
Speaker 1: need to watch that. I think it's just more so
Speaker 1: the lack of Michael Michael Myers that was being landed on.
Speaker 1: But it's like, if you get past that, it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: Really an evil corporation. It's so timely. But yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we start off our episodes with the same
Speaker 1: thing every week, which is, what are you geeking out
Speaker 1: about right now? Um? One of my new favorite movies
Speaker 1: called Satanic Panic that is one of the best horror
Speaker 1: comedies I've ever seen. Uh, it might still be in
Speaker 1: a few theaters, but it is streaming on Shutter, the
Speaker 1: horror streaming network. It's Shutters great their curation. They have
Speaker 1: everything from like supernatural to slasher, to like extreme bloody
Speaker 1: stuff to like literal comedies and like fun goofy poky stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's for it's for everybody. It's perfect for
Speaker 1: this time of year. But Satanic Panic was directed by
Speaker 1: a young woman, Chelsea Stardust and written by Grady Hendricks,
Speaker 1: who is one of my favorite horror authors who I
Speaker 1: also recommend since we're delving into our horror author today.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for somebody a little newer, a little fresher,
Speaker 1: Gradie Hendricks has three incredible books. We sold Our Souls,
Speaker 1: my best friend's exorcism in Horror Store, and he can
Speaker 1: write women the best of any straight man I've ever
Speaker 1: seen before. I keep like looking for pictures of him
Speaker 1: because I kind of don't believe he's a real straight dude.
Speaker 1: It's a pen name, Yeah, absolutely, because I'm like, how
Speaker 1: does he know so much about my team girl experience?
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of that. Satanic Panic has a
Speaker 1: lot of like a strong, funny, weak, bizarre, frightening women
Speaker 1: in its starring Rebecca Romaine, who I think is one
Speaker 1: of the sexiest women alive, and her husband Jerry O'Connell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's got, it's got everything. Yes, yes, o man. Well
Speaker 1: for me, I'm geeking out about. This week is actually
Speaker 1: uh more on the tech side, you know. I finally
Speaker 1: got a couch for my new place and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and then setting up lighting and on a whim, I
Speaker 1: picked up some some like smart smart bulbs um for
Speaker 1: the living room lights, and I just was like, I
Speaker 1: always wanted to do it, and I have an Alexa,
Speaker 1: and then I immediately was hooked, so like in the
Speaker 1: span of buying the smart bulb and like loving it,
Speaker 1: I went ahead and bought two like colorful smart bulbs
Speaker 1: for my room and then a living room alexas so
Speaker 1: that I can voice control the lights on and off.
Speaker 1: Those I always go with like music or sounds. Also
Speaker 1: there's all different settings. Yeah, there's like I was testing
Speaker 1: out the one because the one in my room is
Speaker 1: the full hue, so it has all color settings. So
Speaker 1: there's a Halloween one that like goes orange and black
Speaker 1: and it makes your whole room origin. And then there's
Speaker 1: a Christmas one that's like green and red, all that
Speaker 1: crinkling you. Here in the background is another guest who
Speaker 1: I did an announced, which is Naomi Mudi way my daughter.
Speaker 1: She's eating uh cereal and she's trying to make her
Speaker 1: way to this uh cereal bar. I'm gonna open it
Speaker 1: up for and then we'll get started. I'm really into
Speaker 1: I've never heard of the I'm not familiar with these
Speaker 1: lights and not like a big tech person, but I
Speaker 1: love the idea that you should be watching a movie
Speaker 1: and have the lights, Like what if doing like a
Speaker 1: really scary scene, all your lights went out to heighten
Speaker 1: the film for you. I know. Let's see. That's the
Speaker 1: integration we need because the way it works now is
Speaker 1: Alexa really just turns it on and off, which is
Speaker 1: nice because I just I'm trying more and more to
Speaker 1: be a Tony Stark or you know, because like you
Speaker 1: just say good night, You say Alexa, good night, and
Speaker 1: then it will turn off all the lights in the
Speaker 1: house and you'll say Alexa, good morning and it will
Speaker 1: turn it all on. Or you can say, uh, Alexa,
Speaker 1: what is it? What what's my day look like? And
Speaker 1: then it will give you the news, what's on your schedule, uh,
Speaker 1: the weather, and traffic to your destination. So I was like,
Speaker 1: that just makes me feel like I'm the super like
Speaker 1: I'm Batman. I feel like the only thing the next
Speaker 1: step for this that I would love to see is
Speaker 1: like a Wizard of Oz sort of Jetson's thing where
Speaker 1: they brush your teeth for you, like two little hands
Speaker 1: come down from the ceiling and let curl your hair
Speaker 1: and teeth. And the closest I got was I gotta
Speaker 1: quip brush because I've heard so much. I mean, we
Speaker 1: we pushed it on on the pod, but it's a
Speaker 1: pot must but yeah, it's actually pretty solid, like they
Speaker 1: it's close because it almost tells you how to brush
Speaker 1: your teeth because it'll like they suggest you do it
Speaker 1: in quadrants and then it'll alert you when to go
Speaker 1: to the next quadrant. And so that's pretty good. The
Speaker 1: only thing it's missing is a little gloved hand popping
Speaker 1: out of your wall holding it. See I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think I trust technology that much to let it
Speaker 1: wildly swing things around in my mouth. See. I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of creepy. Anyways. I definitely can appreciate everything
Speaker 1: saying being like interesting and fancy, but there is a
Speaker 1: creepy element to it, and I think it'd be fun
Speaker 1: if it just went full creep and hands came out
Speaker 1: of your wall. You know what? Yes, Uh, don't hide,
Speaker 1: don't hide the truth. So today you know it's Spookedtober.
Speaker 1: It's the last episode of sp October because let me
Speaker 1: let me double check that, because it's gonna because it
Speaker 1: is the twenty nine, two days before Halloween. It is
Speaker 1: the last Spookedober. I'm glad we closed it out with you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm preparing for Halloween hangover. I always get
Speaker 1: so depressed couple of weeks a November. I mean, it
Speaker 1: is the most abrupt of changes in holidays, because you
Speaker 1: know Christmas it ends, and you know you still have
Speaker 1: the stuff going for a bit. Thanksgiving is a non
Speaker 1: holiday at this point in our lives. Uh, New Year,
Speaker 1: same thing. You have that like New Year's staggering of
Speaker 1: like the city or town that you're in. Yeah, likes
Speaker 1: new start for me again. Fourth of July left over
Speaker 1: fireworks are going extra food. But yeah, Halloween abruptly stops
Speaker 1: for that day. It's it's all decorations go down, and
Speaker 1: it's because it immediately is shifting the holiday time and
Speaker 1: it's a totally different vibe. I'll know. Halloween. Christmas is
Speaker 1: also very spooky because the man is coming into your house.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, and lesson not even can started
Speaker 1: on the Black Christmas references too. Yeah, I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about the news. Shout out to April Wolf. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: I was in uh the h I think which whichever
Speaker 1: the theater, Oh, it's the Pacific Theater by the Americana,
Speaker 1: and then it had her um poster up and it
Speaker 1: was like written by April Wolf, and I was getting
Speaker 1: ready to snap a picture and then it's the digital
Speaker 1: one so it went away and it was like, I
Speaker 1: hate technology. It was just like a popcorn ad. Yeah
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah here like and then someone's walking up
Speaker 1: like this guy really loves popcorn, and you're like, I
Speaker 1: need to order this to my house. Yeah, but so
Speaker 1: this spook Toober. Before we like go into today's side,
Speaker 1: I just want to have a retrospect. We talked about
Speaker 1: Candy Man, we talked about the Haunted Man, Ancient at Disneyland.
Speaker 1: We talked about our real monsters and uh, and then
Speaker 1: we also talked about the Child's Play series. And these
Speaker 1: are all just kind of like very specific properties and
Speaker 1: this one that we're doing today is bigger than that.
Speaker 1: We're talking about Stephen King, We're talking about a mind.
Speaker 1: We're talking about, you know, one of one of the
Speaker 1: biggest names in horror. I feel like and you can
Speaker 1: correct me because you did make a face. Uh. I'm
Speaker 1: just excited. Yeah, because to me horror Mount Rushmore is
Speaker 1: Clive Barker, Wes Craven, Stephen King. And I know I'm
Speaker 1: missing two more people, so I'll let you the horror queen. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know, those are really good. I kind of
Speaker 1: pop Elvira of course, of course you cannot have Halloween
Speaker 1: without Elvira. Yeah. Absolutely. John Carpenter as well needs to
Speaker 1: be up there. Very sorry, to John Carpenter for forgetting Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's pretty grumpy already. We don't know already he's going
Speaker 1: to leave a one star review. Mary Shelley, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and one of the original voices of horror. The reason
Speaker 1: that we have so many of the tropes and maccab
Speaker 1: ideas we do it. Oh yes, Shirlie Jackson too. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just like thinking about all the women who helped
Speaker 1: us get to But it's super It is super excited
Speaker 1: to talk about Stephen King because so many of his
Speaker 1: works have been adapted. Today when we're recording, not when
Speaker 1: this is released. But I just released a sponsored post, uh,
Speaker 1: the first sponsored post I've done for BuzzFeed, but it's
Speaker 1: for Dcor Sleep the Shining. I'm so excited about it.
Speaker 1: It looks incredible and it's so funny too, because you know,
Speaker 1: BuzzFeed comments are all over the place. They can really
Speaker 1: you never know what it is. And I was very
Speaker 1: surprised to go into this sponsored ad and see a
Speaker 1: lot of people real hype for the movie, so they
Speaker 1: didn't really hate the video because I feel like typically
Speaker 1: winning things just an add on any media platform. People
Speaker 1: like the man, but or does that like a lot
Speaker 1: of people who watch BuzzFeed videos are teenagers. So the
Speaker 1: last time I was on BuzzFeed, there like, did she
Speaker 1: put an eyeline around and she was drunk? That's the
Speaker 1: look I'm going for. Leave me alone, children. But yeah,
Speaker 1: someone said that Doctor Sleep was one of the best
Speaker 1: books that they've read. Doctor Sleep is incredible. I think
Speaker 1: it's one of his best um modern books, I guess,
Speaker 1: like the last ten years or so. It also makes
Speaker 1: me realize how timely it is that we're doing uh,
Speaker 1: Stephen King right now, which, if I haven't said yet,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Stephen King. Realized I did a lot
Speaker 1: of Oh no, I did all the Mary Shelley research,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about Stephen King. And yes, if you
Speaker 1: don't know Doctor Sleep, because there was a lot of
Speaker 1: people who in the comments were like, um, oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't know this was a sequel to The Shining yet,
Speaker 1: because it's very um, it's nebulous. It has a totally
Speaker 1: different feeling to it, and it's about like little Danny
Speaker 1: grown up trying to live a different life. So the
Speaker 1: tone of it is very different. It's not what you
Speaker 1: to mean, what you would think of as a natural sequel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have anything to do with the hotel, and
Speaker 1: it's like, how this shining has appened. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, is like it feels like
Speaker 1: the shining is about the hotel, whereas Dr Sleep is
Speaker 1: following the the mythos of the shine and what it
Speaker 1: means and everything around that, which I feel like is
Speaker 1: the perfect way to do a sequel to that, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because like what horror stories are out there, I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone you want to hear more about the myth like
Speaker 1: you have a special power. How does that affect you
Speaker 1: in everyday life? Yeah? I know, so it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: it really is exciting. And you know, check that out
Speaker 1: next week. It's it's coming out October November eight, so
Speaker 1: that should be Yeah, that that'll be next week. That'll
Speaker 1: keep your Halloween spirit go. Yeah, yeah, that's for you.
Speaker 1: They did it for you. But let's start this off
Speaker 1: how I start off every episode, which is jumping into
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty. Stephen Edwin King born September twenty one,
Speaker 1: ninety seven is an American author of horror, supernatural fiction, suspense,
Speaker 1: and fantasy novels. His books have sold more than three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million copies, many of which have been
Speaker 1: adapted into feature films, mini series, television series, and comic books.
Speaker 1: King has published sixty one novels, including seven under his
Speaker 1: pen name Richard Bachman, and six nonfiction books. He has
Speaker 1: written a He has written approximately two hundred short stories,
Speaker 1: most of which have been published in book collections. Uh so,
Speaker 1: what is what is your relationship with Stephen King and
Speaker 1: his works? I can't pick apart my life from Stephen King.
Speaker 1: I feel like he has been he was born alongside
Speaker 1: of me. I my parents also, my mom specifically really
Speaker 1: likes horror and my one of my oldest memories is
Speaker 1: her reading pet cemetery and like the original paperback cover
Speaker 1: was this cat's face, like really big and teeth and
Speaker 1: like green eyes. It was so frightening, and I would
Speaker 1: see it on her bedside table and I'd be like
Speaker 1: shook to the core just from the cover. And much
Speaker 1: like watching or going to the video store and seeing
Speaker 1: horror vhs on the shelves, the art on the outside
Speaker 1: of his books, and like the eighties and nineties was
Speaker 1: so so much more disturbing. I couldn't even conjure in
Speaker 1: my head what was in those pages, and my mom
Speaker 1: would always be like, this isn't for your If I
Speaker 1: was looking through it, she's like, this isn't appropriate for you.
Speaker 1: And then of course the taboo of that it's just
Speaker 1: so exciting. So I think I finally started reading them
Speaker 1: like middle school at thirteen fourteen, I was like, I
Speaker 1: am a woman. Now I'm reading Stephen King. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can finally like delve deep and yeah, yeah exactly. I
Speaker 1: think when the Shining mini series came out, which was
Speaker 1: the one that Stephen King directed because he hates the
Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick version, Uh, that came out and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I am for this. And when I watched that, I
Speaker 1: felt like very proud of myself because it's extremely scary
Speaker 1: to me as a kid. And then I started reading
Speaker 1: the books. I was like, I made it through the
Speaker 1: mini series. Time for the novels. Yeah, I mean which
Speaker 1: was which do you prefer? The Stanley Kubrick or the
Speaker 1: TV series? Well, they're hard to compare us. Stephen Webber
Speaker 1: is no Jack Nicholson, um. But it's hard when you
Speaker 1: really admire, Like I love the book, The Shining scares
Speaker 1: me every time I've read it, probably like three times
Speaker 1: and it upsets me every time I read it, and
Speaker 1: there's tons of surprises in it. So I do like
Speaker 1: that the mini series is adheres to the story more
Speaker 1: and but I mean, of course, everybody knows that Kubrick's
Speaker 1: is a visual masterpiece, and so you kind of have
Speaker 1: to just like separate yourself from the fact that King
Speaker 1: doesn't like it because it has so much going for
Speaker 1: it visually, it's so iconic, and it's been parodied so
Speaker 1: many times and it's left left an indelible mark on
Speaker 1: our culture. Well, that's kind of a like kind of
Speaker 1: I don't want to say normal, but common thing that happens. Right,
Speaker 1: That King does not end up liking the adaptations, Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's so hard to do with Stephen King
Speaker 1: adaptation because a thing that people either love or hate
Speaker 1: about his books is that there's a ton of exposition.
Speaker 1: There's a ton of emotional background on every character. A
Speaker 1: friend of mine hates his books because he says that
Speaker 1: two or three pages will be dedicated to the way
Speaker 1: a chair looks, And for me, I'm just like yes,
Speaker 1: because like, you get me deep into that chair space
Speaker 1: and then something like crazy supernatural happens. It's even scarier
Speaker 1: to me because everything is so normal for so long
Speaker 1: and they're like what that fact like scared so quickly,
Speaker 1: and also because you are like picturing it more like
Speaker 1: I feel like that adds to the horror because as
Speaker 1: you read it, it gets more developed and it just
Speaker 1: kind of grows more. Absolutely. Yeah, and that's I feel
Speaker 1: like because people think of him as just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Airport, paperback, fluff. All of his movies, a
Speaker 1: lot of them have been adapted that way, and so
Speaker 1: all of the things that make his work really special
Speaker 1: gets lost, whereas Kubrick took all the visuals that were amazing,
Speaker 1: heightened that, but still left out any of the interesting
Speaker 1: like expository work. Yes, so of course the mini series
Speaker 1: gets that down, but it's not visually quite a stunning
Speaker 1: Oh of course. Yeah. I think my relation with Stephen
Speaker 1: King is more cinematic than his books. I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of the films inspired, like Missed, which is actually
Speaker 1: one of the films that he likes. He said he
Speaker 1: likes the ending of the movie more than he Missed.
Speaker 1: I hate the Missed, and I'm like the only horror
Speaker 1: fan that hates the miss I think it's depressing as hell,
Speaker 1: and I think it's like needlessly nihilistic. I was angry,
Speaker 1: like I love a lot of things, and usually like
Speaker 1: even the worst movie, I can be like, but you
Speaker 1: know what I had going for it, and I think
Speaker 1: the missed as great, but that final act reveal it
Speaker 1: made me so mad. I was depressed for like twenty
Speaker 1: four full hours and then anybody who looked at me,
Speaker 1: I was just like like me mugging, and I loved it.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is such a wow, what
Speaker 1: a twist rowney Yeah, and so and it's almost like
Speaker 1: a lesson lesson of like giving up hope, like you
Speaker 1: don't yeah, which is like, which is like the most
Speaker 1: like hard way to say that, but it is like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's and that's kind of what I took it as
Speaker 1: is like this they gave up hope and unfortunately, like
Speaker 1: it was just around the corner. And so because that
Speaker 1: to me is like such a strong message and from
Speaker 1: a horror movie, which is typically all hope is lost. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point. I didn't read it like that
Speaker 1: to me. To me, it read is kind of like
Speaker 1: a ha ha, like you um sort of yeah again,
Speaker 1: like a nihilistic four chance like, yeah, mess around like
Speaker 1: I got you, oh man, Yeah, but yeah, so I
Speaker 1: miss it. Of course. Did you love the mini series
Speaker 1: as a kid? I feel like, yeah, I was freaked out.
Speaker 1: I didn't see it much beyond that. I think I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it since. And then I went and watched
Speaker 1: the new one, which was an interesting an interesting tale
Speaker 1: of like using parts of a novel without giving all
Speaker 1: of it because then it just sends mixed messages and
Speaker 1: doesn't pay off. I mean, just a quick one is
Speaker 1: just the opening, the opening. I think just landed. Just
Speaker 1: felt bad because you didn't know that this is because
Speaker 1: of Pennywise's influence, that this hate crime is happening, because
Speaker 1: you have a movie that takes place in a podunct
Speaker 1: middle of America town. So if you see someone being homophobia, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just a statement about the town, and you
Speaker 1: totally missed that. No, this is penny Wise is influence,
Speaker 1: and this is why it leaves right and the whole
Speaker 1: town is rotten. And the fact that no one cares.
Speaker 1: That's of the most interesting things about Diary to Me,
Speaker 1: and the apathy that runs throughout all the adults, and
Speaker 1: how when you move away you forget and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's part of Pennywise, like you good, how bad things are,
Speaker 1: and so you don't fight back. Yeah, And it's funny
Speaker 1: because they really hit home on that part, which I
Speaker 1: didn't really or I probably just didn't remember from the
Speaker 1: first one, but they really hit home on that part
Speaker 1: without really going into the influence, which is as simple
Speaker 1: as a line for Isaiah Mustafa, who didn't have enough
Speaker 1: lines anyway. Yeah, and we're doing other things, like maybe
Speaker 1: not just that act. I mean, there were so much
Speaker 1: time spent on that hate crime when they could have
Speaker 1: been it could if you had to have that, you
Speaker 1: could have had other stuff woven in. Of course they
Speaker 1: took that scene directly from the book. That's how the
Speaker 1: book opens. Yeah, and I read that again. I was like, like,
Speaker 1: way too young for that book with all the child
Speaker 1: orgies and all the crimes. And that was my big
Speaker 1: ping against it, is like you had the sense to
Speaker 1: like never touch this child orgy, but like you're like,
Speaker 1: we gotta get this hate crime in. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: was just so real stick it felt like it was
Speaker 1: happening to really yeah really, oh boy, there's nothing and
Speaker 1: I just are already have any type of hate crime
Speaker 1: displayed in movies by someone who's asked I think I
Speaker 1: can kick. It's just always super hard for me where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, if I was there, right, cream be
Speaker 1: so cream. Also any time of film is being made
Speaker 1: by somebody who is not of that I don't know
Speaker 1: about exactly so because I feel like it comes from
Speaker 1: this sort of well, it's the same thing, like it's
Speaker 1: the same thing of just like not really knowing the
Speaker 1: gravity of throwing it in there. It seems to flippant
Speaker 1: almost like you know when uh, when male writers add
Speaker 1: rape to a woman's story for her growth and not
Speaker 1: and just kind of how flippantly it's kind of us like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the hardest thing a woman could go through.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, there's tons of other hard things. Actually
Speaker 1: it's lazy. And I will say that that's one of
Speaker 1: the things I think Stephen Kane goes back and forth on.
Speaker 1: There's a number of his books where I think that
Speaker 1: the female protagonist is so interesting and complex and scary
Speaker 1: or tough a funny, But then other books or other
Speaker 1: sections of those same stories, rape is such a large
Speaker 1: part of it, And I feel like I can never
Speaker 1: quite put my finger on where he is. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: will say I did read one work of Stephen King,
Speaker 1: which was his short story The John. Have you read that? No?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Oh it's really really good. It's
Speaker 1: like a sci fi horror story. That's uh that in
Speaker 1: the future. Uh, they travel galaxies through this thing called
Speaker 1: the Jaunt. And in the Jaunt, essentially you're traveling like
Speaker 1: you're traveling for years, but it only because they put
Speaker 1: you to sleep. It makes it feel like seconds. But
Speaker 1: and they tell you not to You cannot not to go,
Speaker 1: not to be awake, because then you will age. And
Speaker 1: it's it's and you know, horror ensues, but it's really
Speaker 1: it's and just the reveal at the end and the
Speaker 1: I think that's why I got to taste the flavor
Speaker 1: of Stephen King without you know, getting any bad side
Speaker 1: because he did take you know, the like descriptive nous
Speaker 1: of like the reveal is was like, oh, this is great.
Speaker 1: But we're gonna get into Stephen King, his life, his
Speaker 1: early life and all that good stuff and leading up
Speaker 1: into a wide open discussion of his books and the
Speaker 1: things that inspired them. After this break and we're back,
Speaker 1: but we're joined. There are now four guests in the studio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we've mentioned to me she's been you know, you'll
Speaker 1: hear it throughout the pod, usually drinking cereal real loud.
Speaker 1: And I can't even be mad about that because I
Speaker 1: know that's definitely my d and a that is doing that.
Speaker 1: But yes, the Queen Danny has arrived and you know,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about a relationship to you, Stephen King,
Speaker 1: So do you want to just join in before we
Speaker 1: jump into this monster of a bio. I think mine
Speaker 1: would have to be the shining. I think that that's mine.
Speaker 1: I think aside from my name being Danny, like everyone
Speaker 1: always does that, Um, what is it, Mrs Danny's not here,
Speaker 1: Mrs Torrance or whatever. Yeah, and come playing with us, Danny.
Speaker 1: Yeah that one. Everyone did that to me. Um, so
Speaker 1: please keep doing that. Never gets old. Yeah, so that, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's so funny because when we're exposed
Speaker 1: to these as children, I'm really it was the parts
Speaker 1: that I could see, right, so like a lot of
Speaker 1: times my parents would have me cover my eyes and
Speaker 1: like you know, I could only see like so much.
Speaker 1: So to me, that's so fascinating. I don't remember until
Speaker 1: I was older, this scene with the Old Lady. Yes,
Speaker 1: so you were allowed to watch like those types of
Speaker 1: movies when you're a kid, Yes, Like I remember watching
Speaker 1: True Lies Total callback. Uh. And there's a very sexy
Speaker 1: scene with Jamie Also, my we talked about Jamie Lee
Speaker 1: Curtis when you were here last time. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: this scene, there's like a sexy scene with her, and um,
Speaker 1: I couldn't watch that, But of course I did, Like
Speaker 1: my parents would do a thing where like I don't
Speaker 1: know how, but they would somehow like stop it and
Speaker 1: fast forward, like maybe they'd just be like, get a snack.
Speaker 1: But there were all these gaps in movies that I
Speaker 1: watched as an adult, and I was like, what are
Speaker 1: all these deleted scenes that I'm seeing for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the one with the old woman was so triggering
Speaker 1: and scary. And I do love that they have, um
Speaker 1: Halloween Horror Nights. Last year they had a shining experience.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you went to it. I went
Speaker 1: to halleen Horn Knights last year, but I don't. I
Speaker 1: think it was two years ago. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was it, Yeah, because I went last year and it
Speaker 1: wasn't there. I wish I could. Oh, yeah, maybe it right.
Speaker 1: It was like, you're right, it was two years ago. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like a maze. Uh, you could go through
Speaker 1: the maze from the movie. And then also there was
Speaker 1: a scene uh with the here's Johnny you know in
Speaker 1: the acts, and I was like, how often did they
Speaker 1: switch out these um actors because that would be exhausting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally fries your vocal cords to scaracters. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that was what's so funny, because you know, I've
Speaker 1: been trying to get people to go to hord Nights
Speaker 1: and they're like, if you hate scary things, why would
Speaker 1: you go? But I was like, universal, like when they're mazes,
Speaker 1: they recreate like some of the like when I went
Speaker 1: like my whole tune change when I did the Halloween
Speaker 1: maze and you're walking through the house and you're seeing
Speaker 1: scenes from the movie. I was like, this is terrifying,
Speaker 1: but this is also like on a nerdy level, cool
Speaker 1: to see, like walking through the living room and seeing
Speaker 1: on the news the Michael Myers murders and then it
Speaker 1: goes back to when he's a kid and you can
Speaker 1: see him getting ready to stab his sister. Like that
Speaker 1: stuff as scary as it is, and it is scary,
Speaker 1: Like the coolness kind of like made it worth it,
Speaker 1: And then I think, I'll so did the Freddie versus
Speaker 1: Jason May's and the stuff they did there were whild
Speaker 1: like I was scared, but it was also they were
Speaker 1: scaring me in such creative ways that I was laughing
Speaker 1: because I was like why. There was like one where
Speaker 1: he like literally pops out of a window in the
Speaker 1: side of the wall, and I'm like, how would I
Speaker 1: even prepare for this? This year? They have us And
Speaker 1: it's so dope because they have a scene where it's
Speaker 1: Lupeta versus Lupeta and I'm like, this is so cool.
Speaker 1: So was it just the tether's kind of coming at you?
Speaker 1: But but it's also the regular family trying to fight
Speaker 1: for their lives. But yeah, it's and you're in the
Speaker 1: mirror house, right scary? That was really scary In the
Speaker 1: New movie Chapter two, that was one of the best
Speaker 1: scenes mirror houses like classic cinema like suspense, because you
Speaker 1: know it's like two people searching for someone and like
Speaker 1: you see him or do you? You know? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: aunt and yeah, I really I really did like that
Speaker 1: scene and just the guilt that they kind of forced
Speaker 1: him to go through that like I like, you know,
Speaker 1: almost like philosophical horror, where it's where it's like it's
Speaker 1: not technically scary for the person, but what it's doing
Speaker 1: to that or I guess you would say like more
Speaker 1: mental like what it's doing for their mentality because it's
Speaker 1: putting them in a situation where he cannot save this
Speaker 1: person and he's been trying so hard. Absolutely, Stephen King
Speaker 1: is great at that. There's just like a ton of anguish,
Speaker 1: especially in his short stories. It's like what a person
Speaker 1: can do to another person, and like the sort of
Speaker 1: what's great about it is that the apathy that people
Speaker 1: have and how that can deteriorate and turn into like
Speaker 1: a monster. It's I think it's some of his strongest
Speaker 1: work is when he explores the stuff that's not just supernatural. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what are some of his other connecting factors between
Speaker 1: his works? Do you notice like a common thread? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's my favorite thing about Stephen King is
Speaker 1: that all of his books are connected. And I'm I
Speaker 1: know you two are, like you mean, in the same universe, right, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I know you guys are huge Marvel Universe people.
Speaker 1: I have I don't have a comic book background, but
Speaker 1: I can meet you at that level where it's so
Speaker 1: fun to see characters and stories we've in and out.
Speaker 1: And the cool thing about it, and I think they
Speaker 1: really missed an opportunity is that it is a huge
Speaker 1: connecting um tier to everything else, all the other stories.
Speaker 1: And I feel like there's a lot of money out
Speaker 1: there for somebody who decides to start weaving these stories together,
Speaker 1: because it's there already. I mean, horror really needs a
Speaker 1: Marvel universe, I think, and that if you did the
Speaker 1: Dark Tower series, which is it is connected to Dark Power.
Speaker 1: That's his long like eight book series and thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of pages of a story that weaves all of
Speaker 1: his books together and could be like the next Game
Speaker 1: of Drones for HBO. Well that's that's the kind of
Speaker 1: like tough part two about Dark Towers because all the
Speaker 1: Stephen King fans know and just they've never been able
Speaker 1: to nail it, and and it's and like people are
Speaker 1: really excited because they're like, well it's pretty good, so
Speaker 1: we can maybe get a good Dark Tower. And it
Speaker 1: seems like they fumbled it yet again. Oh yeah, they
Speaker 1: totally missed an opportunity because the whole end of the book.
Speaker 1: It is about things that happen in the Dark Tower
Speaker 1: and how cool it had been to do that. It
Speaker 1: would be like the end credits of a scene in
Speaker 1: a Marvel movie where you're like, oh, who's going to
Speaker 1: be up next? And like a call to a movie
Speaker 1: that comes out in two more years. Do you think
Speaker 1: they're just so scared of that giant turtle? They're like,
Speaker 1: people aren't ready for the giant turtle? You know what?
Speaker 1: I feel like Stephen King gets a lot of flak
Speaker 1: for like some corniness, and a big thing with the
Speaker 1: new movies is them like making fun of Bill's character
Speaker 1: for writing bad endings. Everybody thinks Stephen King writes bad endings,
Speaker 1: but I think there's some hokey nous to it. But
Speaker 1: if you embraced it and just did it instead of
Speaker 1: making fun of it, I think you could do something
Speaker 1: really weird. Because it's very similar to a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff you love in the eighties that are like kind
Speaker 1: of Jim Henson like that. We don't think that stuff
Speaker 1: is cheesy, even know the Dark Crystal could be cheesey.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because it's for adults that
Speaker 1: people immediately then think it's corny. Well, that was the
Speaker 1: hump they had to jump over for comic books, the
Speaker 1: moment they allowed them to just be comic book movies
Speaker 1: and being a shame. Like I've said that a million times,
Speaker 1: that's when we found success. And I think so. I
Speaker 1: think so too. I'm like, there's a movie with a
Speaker 1: talking raccoon. I'm sure people aren't going to be that
Speaker 1: freaked out about a giant turtle being the enemy of
Speaker 1: a clown that literally shapes shifts, and like, we haven't
Speaker 1: seen that before, So like, isn't that kind of exciting?
Speaker 1: I would I don't know, you could do puppetry with it.
Speaker 1: It could be a whole new kind of take on
Speaker 1: something we haven't seen before, instead of being like, let's
Speaker 1: not do it. And the fact that they crammed seven
Speaker 1: wild into one movie, and then I think it turns
Speaker 1: people off because they're like, well, that was a terrible movie.
Speaker 1: It's like that was like five thousand pages of a
Speaker 1: book into ninety minutes. That was just irresponsible and reckless decisions.
Speaker 1: It would be doing the Harry Potter series all in
Speaker 1: one movie exactly where honestly, it's kind of funny that
Speaker 1: as a studio, you wouldn't want to milk that. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm saying, Like, I think it would be
Speaker 1: so perfect for HBO or Showtime or I mean even
Speaker 1: a MC. You could basically have something for ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that would be the move forward because I
Speaker 1: think that's the fear is. I think when it comes
Speaker 1: to horror, people are always afraid to do big budget
Speaker 1: horror like there there. They love the low hanging horror
Speaker 1: because you're going to get those international cells. You know,
Speaker 1: it's going to be easy money. So anything that adds
Speaker 1: risks to horror, I think scare studio. So I think
Speaker 1: TV may be the way to go. Just yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we're in the best time for it right now.
Speaker 1: I think everybody is looking for escape horror because we
Speaker 1: have so much horror in our real lives that it
Speaker 1: helps us to kind of look out and like satirize
Speaker 1: some of that through like comic over the top horror. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you know a lot about Stephen Hanging. You've read
Speaker 1: a lot of his works. Yeah, I feel like I've
Speaker 1: probably read I don't know, two thirds of not three fourths.
Speaker 1: Why am I doing maths right now? And that if
Speaker 1: not three thirdis so It's like some of his newer books,
Speaker 1: like I haven't read Mr. Mercedes and I haven't read
Speaker 1: like Under the Dome, but um, Doctor Sleep, I think
Speaker 1: is like the newest of his novels that I'm so excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we discussed it and I just I can't get enough
Speaker 1: of the visuals. The trailer is so good. Well, I wanna, like,
Speaker 1: you know, instead of just going through this author's life
Speaker 1: and being like ha, and I want to bring up
Speaker 1: things from his childhood that I feel would be an influence.
Speaker 1: And you tell me if you've read it. One of
Speaker 1: the things is that you know, uh, when King waste.
Speaker 1: When Stephen King was two years old, his father left
Speaker 1: his family and his mother raised Stephen and his older
Speaker 1: brother by herself, and sometimes he had financial strain because
Speaker 1: of that. And I feel like that is an element
Speaker 1: that all artists, artists love pulling from their upbringing in
Speaker 1: their parents. And definitely there's so many stories that he
Speaker 1: writes about. There's a lot of domestic violence in his books,
Speaker 1: and a lot of single women breaking out on their
Speaker 1: own and like trying to build their lives despite like
Speaker 1: the real life horror. And then you know something supernatural
Speaker 1: is often woven in that too, um And so I
Speaker 1: think that specifically speaks to stories like um Gerald's Game
Speaker 1: or Dolores Clayborne or even Beverly in it escaping her
Speaker 1: abusive husband later and the Shining definitely the Shining, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the Shining feels like it's one that is
Speaker 1: the most connected to him because it's about the writer
Speaker 1: who's like losing it and but also a small child
Speaker 1: and the mom and they're like, now the mom is
Speaker 1: scared because of this abusive husband. Yeah, yeah, he's like both.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's in a way all three character probably. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're aware of what people believe is Stephen
Speaker 1: King's horror writer origin story, which is as a child,
Speaker 1: King apparently witnessed one of his friends being struck and
Speaker 1: killed by a train. Though he has no memory of
Speaker 1: the event, his family told him that after leaving home
Speaker 1: to play with a boy, King return speechless and seemingly
Speaker 1: in shock. Only later did the family learn of the
Speaker 1: friend's death. So everyone suggesting that that psychologically inspired why
Speaker 1: he does such dark you know works, but there's no
Speaker 1: nobody has ever. Yeah, I don't think Kings like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm spooky. But oh my gosh, this is
Speaker 1: so fascinating to me as someone that deals with trauma,
Speaker 1: the links to which your brain will go to protect you.
Speaker 1: So he witnessed the murder of a child, Yeah, his
Speaker 1: friend being killed by a train, and um, completely blacked
Speaker 1: that out, because how can you keep going on, right,
Speaker 1: especially when you're a kid. That's why a lot of
Speaker 1: people that deal with trauma don't remember elements of their
Speaker 1: childhood definitely. And then it comes out in other ways, um.
Speaker 1: And I mean, of course, like a story like The Body,
Speaker 1: which goes on to be one of his most famous
Speaker 1: movies stand by Me about kids finding a dead body,
Speaker 1: and then um, yeah, near the train track exactly, and
Speaker 1: then pet Cemetery, which is about like a kid getting
Speaker 1: killed by a semi truck. I mean it's a large
Speaker 1: part of that story. And parental grief and brother sister grief. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can see that kind of
Speaker 1: woven into everything. That's where a lot of his supernatural
Speaker 1: is up against the realistic, like something normal, awful happens,
Speaker 1: and then ghosts and monsters are connected to that, And
Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting way of processing trauma. Also, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think that we do that a lot in comedy,
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, we can't just talk about this sad,
Speaker 1: awful thing. We're not going to just talk about the
Speaker 1: domestic abuse, so we're not just going to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing my friend murdered. It is there's other elements,
Speaker 1: like you said, like that is the way that you
Speaker 1: can connect to the audience. You can bring them in
Speaker 1: or else it's just this awful, horrible thing that you're watching. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and like we already have so much of that now,
Speaker 1: and I think that is why there is more horror
Speaker 1: to examine right now, because how much more of it
Speaker 1: can we take on the news. Maybe we can put
Speaker 1: it through this filter of monsters, right or ghosts or
Speaker 1: whatever that's like more easily accessible than just watching the
Speaker 1: actual horror of the world. Yeah. Absolutely. One of um
Speaker 1: one of my favorite books, Gerald's Game, which is a
Speaker 1: book that's highly underrated and got a little more play
Speaker 1: recently because there was a Netflix movie that came out
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. By the way, did you
Speaker 1: like that? I didn't watch it? And here is why,
Speaker 1: because like it's trigger warning a lot about sexual assault
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine told me that that was
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of scenes of that, and I,
Speaker 1: whereas I have no problem actually reading about it, watching
Speaker 1: sexual assault as like entertainment, Like I just can't do it.
Speaker 1: It's the most triggering thing to me. So I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I really love the book though, And the book is
Speaker 1: one of the most frightening books. And it's just a woman.
Speaker 1: The plot is that it's a woman who is like
Speaker 1: playing having sex games with her husband, is handcuffed to
Speaker 1: the bed. He has a heart attack during and dies,
Speaker 1: and she's handcuffed to this bed and can't get out,
Speaker 1: and like, but she starts seeing somebody in the room
Speaker 1: with her, and so it's like there's a supernatural element
Speaker 1: to it. So she's by herself and she's reliving bad
Speaker 1: things that happened to her, but then also thinking that
Speaker 1: there's a scary element in the room, and like for
Speaker 1: one person to have like a four page book and
Speaker 1: have that be fascinating. It's one of the scariest books
Speaker 1: I've ever read. Just the idea of being alone with
Speaker 1: your thoughts of trauma, but then also a spooky person
Speaker 1: who's maybe watching you. Like it's it's really really good.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the movie or no? No, I just
Speaker 1: I also think that that concept is really fascinating that
Speaker 1: it takes place all in this one kind of singular
Speaker 1: with this woman. Um not quite the same at all,
Speaker 1: but just what popped in my head is do you
Speaker 1: remember that movie with the pay phone where he was
Speaker 1: stuck in the pay phone? But like, to me, any
Speaker 1: time that you could eat, whether people loved it or not,
Speaker 1: any time that you can be in the singular moment
Speaker 1: and kind of like health time go what did I say, payphone?
Speaker 1: I don't have enough change, but for you to be
Speaker 1: for you to be riveted by this like I always, uh,
Speaker 1: I like that risk. I always have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for people that can that can that can show
Speaker 1: something in like real time like that absolutely in one
Speaker 1: location which one looks really great at. And that's what's
Speaker 1: so exciting about the Shining is just that it's like
Speaker 1: one small place that goes on for an endless kind
Speaker 1: of amount because it is connected to this other universe
Speaker 1: of souls that are in there and stuck in there,
Speaker 1: and it's it's neat because I like the idea of
Speaker 1: like the world that you see is bigger and greater,
Speaker 1: and crazier than you could ever imagine. And he's really
Speaker 1: great at exploring that. Have you gone to either of
Speaker 1: the Shining Houses? I know there's a miniseries, there's a
Speaker 1: TV one house, right or No, what am I thinking of?
Speaker 1: There's the hotel, the hotel, there's there's inside, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. There's the inside, which is one one hotel,
Speaker 1: and the outside, which is a different hotel. Yes. So
Speaker 1: the Stanley Hotel in um Estes Park, Colorado. I got
Speaker 1: to go to it two years ago, and that is
Speaker 1: the one that he stayed at and that that when
Speaker 1: he wrote it. Yeah, and so I went to the
Speaker 1: room and I got to like, well, we weren't supposed to,
Speaker 1: but I snuck up there like my little picture in
Speaker 1: front of it, like the room that he like wrote
Speaker 1: a lot of it in. Which was another reason that
Speaker 1: hotel was really fun is it's also where they filmed
Speaker 1: Dumb and Dumber when they're an aspen at the hotel.
Speaker 1: So I was just like the two sides of my
Speaker 1: personality were just like lighting up, like horror and comedy.
Speaker 1: Um and they have a lot of drinks on the
Speaker 1: menu that are Shining inspired, which is really cute and
Speaker 1: fun also, and then there's the one that was the
Speaker 1: actual outside of Outside, which I think is in Washington State.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I haven't gotten to see
Speaker 1: that one. I wanted to talk real quickly about some
Speaker 1: of his influences, because I know that he's influenced a
Speaker 1: lot of artists, but it looks like some of his influences, Uh,
Speaker 1: Edgar Allan Poe as you would make so much. So
Speaker 1: does everyone else on here to be honest, HP Lovecraft,
Speaker 1: j R. R. Tolkien, Ray Bradberry, Bram Stoker, of course,
Speaker 1: Shirley Jackson, Richard Matheson My Baby, who wrote a bunch
Speaker 1: of that sounds awkward, especially looking at this picture of him,
Speaker 1: because he's just an old guy in a top hat. Um,
Speaker 1: but you won't see you as a guy in a
Speaker 1: top hat. Yeah, you know, you're right. Um. He wrote
Speaker 1: a lot of the Twilight Zone episodes, Uh, William Faulkner, Um,
Speaker 1: Alexander Dumas, Henry James and William Golden goes on forever.
Speaker 1: But um, do any of those stand out to you? Yeah? Definitely,
Speaker 1: I think especially somebody like brom Stoker, who was inspired
Speaker 1: to write Dracula because of tuberculosis victims, and like they
Speaker 1: were the way that they looked, which was like gaunt
Speaker 1: and pale, and their how their nails and hair kept
Speaker 1: girl as it does everybody. Your nails and hair keep
Speaker 1: growing after death. But people at the time would dig
Speaker 1: up tuberculosis victims and see that and think they were
Speaker 1: still alive because they didn't know scientifically that that's what
Speaker 1: happens to everybody's body. So he used all these things
Speaker 1: that were real, real diseases to create a larger horror,
Speaker 1: which is a really big part of Stephen King's work,
Speaker 1: especially one of his most popular books, The Stand, which
Speaker 1: was a mini series iffy at best, Like, there's some
Speaker 1: really great characters in it, but then there's also like
Speaker 1: a lot of magical Negro stuff. Um, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of rape in it. It could be it could definitely
Speaker 1: have some new life breathed into it. But I love
Speaker 1: the book and sprawling epic stories like J. R. R. Tolkien. Um,
Speaker 1: I think The Stand and then The Dark Tower. If
Speaker 1: you like The Lord of the Rings like you will
Speaker 1: love the Dark Tower series and understand while it was
Speaker 1: in high school, the Dark Tower was blowing up like
Speaker 1: everyone was reading it. Yeah, everyone, like anybody who likes
Speaker 1: it every time somebody at loving it. You gotta also
Speaker 1: understand I was hanging out with the weaves and comics.
Speaker 1: Weren't you in like anime club or something. No, it
Speaker 1: was a martial arts club, which was a undercover fight club.
Speaker 1: Oh that's much tougher because we're blasting like the like
Speaker 1: song from Blade and the Mortal Kombat techno music while
Speaker 1: sparring on the mats. We were the dorky is did
Speaker 1: you cover pseudonyms? Richard Bachman? We did not talk about Bachman,
Speaker 1: which I really love. Backman stuff is still good and
Speaker 1: I really love the reason that he did it, which
Speaker 1: was that he was worried. I think this is the
Speaker 1: thing that probably happens to you if you get popular
Speaker 1: enough that you're like, do people like my work or
Speaker 1: they just like my name and they'll do watch and
Speaker 1: do anything that I do. And he's successful enough to
Speaker 1: do this though, yeah, because like anyone else, you would
Speaker 1: just like wanting you would have to use your name
Speaker 1: to try and get in places. But he was so
Speaker 1: successful he was like, let me see if they actually
Speaker 1: like me, and then like yeah, like they sold Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, I want to say, like two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand of his first book, which was Rage in Right,
Speaker 1: And then once it came out that he wrote it,
Speaker 1: then it was like a million more copies were as sold.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yes, your name does have to do
Speaker 1: with it, but but do you like any of those?
Speaker 1: So it was raped. So under Richard Bachman he wrote
Speaker 1: a handful of short novels We Have Age in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven, The Long Walk nineteen seventy nine, Roadwork nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty one, The Running Man nineteen eight two, and Thinner
Speaker 1: nineteen eight four. Um, I do actually like Dinner. I
Speaker 1: think the movie is rough, um, but at Dinner is
Speaker 1: really interesting, although it does have sort of like that
Speaker 1: gypsy like a magical gipsy woman, which is also offensive
Speaker 1: now it was then, But um, I really like. The
Speaker 1: Long Walk is kind of a dystopian story about kids
Speaker 1: who have to walk at the same pace and they
Speaker 1: have yeah yeah, like guards around them, and if they
Speaker 1: go any faster or any slower, they get killed on
Speaker 1: the spot. Speed yeah yeah, yeah, but for walking wait
Speaker 1: and so wait, tell me more. I'm kind of fascinating.
Speaker 1: So with this concept, so is the whole book. These
Speaker 1: kids are they walking somewhere because it's short novel. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all you do so you you you drop in on
Speaker 1: these kids as they're walking. Yeah, it's a point of
Speaker 1: view through one of the kids. I you know what,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I don't remember if it's through
Speaker 1: one of the kids or not. Because what happens is
Speaker 1: the idea that everybody gets killed and the last person
Speaker 1: standing gets like a prize. So it has sort of
Speaker 1: like a Hunger Games kind of feel to it. And
Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, I was so obsessed with
Speaker 1: dystopian realities and that like, these things can all be possible. Um,
Speaker 1: So I did really like that one a lot, And
Speaker 1: I think that could be a really interesting anthology. So cool.
Speaker 1: I wish that they did as Stephen King, and like
Speaker 1: they're definitely more streaming services and platforms pushing towards horror anthology. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: And I think that Stephen King is a perfect person
Speaker 1: to pull from. Yeah. Absolutely, And they tried to do
Speaker 1: that with Castle Rock on Hulu. But the problem with
Speaker 1: that is they actually wrote all of it before they
Speaker 1: had the rights to Stephen King's work, So then what
Speaker 1: they did they got their rights before it was finished,
Speaker 1: so then they started shoehorning details in and so it
Speaker 1: doesn't a hundred per scent work. There's elements of it
Speaker 1: that are exciting, and I think if you're not a
Speaker 1: Stephen King person, it could possibly get you into the universe,
Speaker 1: which is great. But as somebody who's just like really
Speaker 1: obsessed with this work, I'm like, his, it's just not
Speaker 1: it's not a lot of new ground. I'll keep watching it.
Speaker 1: By the way, I lived in Castle Rock. It is
Speaker 1: a thousand percent haunted and it's also where I got divorced.
Speaker 1: My house was haunted. Not even kidding. I actually was
Speaker 1: on like a haunted podcast talk about how haunted my
Speaker 1: house actually are. When we moved in as newlywed, our
Speaker 1: neighbors came over to tell us that our house was haunted.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's like a Stephen King story. It's
Speaker 1: always a neighbor coming in to be like your life's
Speaker 1: about to be. I was just like, thanks with information.
Speaker 1: Just bought a house with my husband, which is very
Speaker 1: hard to do but much easier if you don't live
Speaker 1: in California. And um, this was a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago when people could actually still get loans and stuff,
Speaker 1: but I just want to say that upfront. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember them telling me that. I thought, like, how rude.
Speaker 1: It is rude because you're like, well what do I
Speaker 1: do about it? Now? But then its haunted? Uh? And
Speaker 1: when I told my neighbor, they like fell into a
Speaker 1: puddle on the floor, like they were so they did
Speaker 1: not want to live across from our haunted house anymore.
Speaker 1: I think they had seen so many tenants come in
Speaker 1: and out of it, so you like cleared out the block,
Speaker 1: like this block is no good, We'll just set it
Speaker 1: on fire and let's all move to California. We're also
Speaker 1: in the Coldest act like we were the end house. Um,
Speaker 1: so like a bunch of bookie about that, like a
Speaker 1: dead end. Your house is the dead end. We have
Speaker 1: to take a really quick break. We're gonna hop more
Speaker 1: into Stephen King right after this what is if we
Speaker 1: are back and thank you for listening to another nerdificent
Speaker 1: here with Danny Fernandez, Lucy Tomlin Brenner. You know, I
Speaker 1: mean way and we're we're we're going to jump into
Speaker 1: some you know, Stephen King essentials, you know, and guided
Speaker 1: of course by the the Halloween Queen. You really are
Speaker 1: like you have such a I mean, I'm sure there
Speaker 1: are things we haven't even asked you, but we should
Speaker 1: just like turn the mic on, just let you talk.
Speaker 1: I would just start being like, okay, in theft hundreds
Speaker 1: and I first started carving parsnips to be Jack a lantern,
Speaker 1: like I could get real dry. I thought you were
Speaker 1: talking about you. I'm like a hundred I thought you
Speaker 1: were saying when I was car I'm like, she's a
Speaker 1: hundred percent of which I respect this. We'll start this out.
Speaker 1: I love Halloween history. She was alive back then. Re Accidentally,
Speaker 1: I've been burned twenty times and I'm still kicking. There's
Speaker 1: a twilight zone about Cleopatra. I don't Yeah, it's my favorite,
Speaker 1: but she's like an actress today and like you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of slips, but she wants people to know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because she looks so good. She's lived for
Speaker 1: centuries and like she like kind of you know, she
Speaker 1: keeps it a secret, but also kind of not like
Speaker 1: you know, I was a queen. Um. I love that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what are some of the other works of his
Speaker 1: that really resonated with you? Um? Carrie was the first
Speaker 1: book that I read and I've always loved the book
Speaker 1: um about a teenage girl who's finding her telekinesis powers
Speaker 1: and how that aligns with how unpopular and misunderstood she is.
Speaker 1: And it's like one of these things where like her
Speaker 1: mom is an obsessive religious zealot, which kind of keeps
Speaker 1: her from being popular because it's hard to come out
Speaker 1: of that, but it also makes her weird. So none
Speaker 1: of the kids at school like her. But she's not
Speaker 1: into either. She just wants to live and she has
Speaker 1: nothing but these amazing powers. And I that was something
Speaker 1: that really resonated with me in middle school and I
Speaker 1: first read it and I was just like, I just
Speaker 1: remember fantasizing about like who I could throw across the
Speaker 1: room with powers? Yes, it was Carrie a superhero. She
Speaker 1: is kind of a superhero. It's just the thing that's
Speaker 1: a bummer. Is like her powers kind of end to
Speaker 1: her death and the death of everyone else's. But I
Speaker 1: love people love Di Palma's seventy six version, but I
Speaker 1: think Kimberly Pierce of Boys Don't Cry, her version of
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen is truly a feminist like action hero,
Speaker 1: extreme revenge horror has like an insane kill in it
Speaker 1: that I've never seen in any other movie. And more importantly,
Speaker 1: there's like no male gaze in it, which is a
Speaker 1: big problem with like a lot of his adaptations are
Speaker 1: they're directed by men, and so women are kind of
Speaker 1: the set dressings. But like Karry, this is like her
Speaker 1: story and it's about her reclaiming the power from being
Speaker 1: both like oppressed at school and oppressed by her mother,
Speaker 1: and it's Julianne Moore is in it as her mother,
Speaker 1: who has clearly also had some abuse in her life,
Speaker 1: and about her regaining power kind of through self harm,
Speaker 1: which is interesting in a very complicated storyline, but helmed
Speaker 1: by a woman makes it so much more interesting and
Speaker 1: empowering to me. So I definitely want people to watch
Speaker 1: that film because it makes it is closer to the book,
Speaker 1: and it is also it fleshes out these characters in
Speaker 1: a much more fascinating way than Brianda Palmer is able
Speaker 1: to um again with a female director as the original
Speaker 1: pet Cemetery by Mary Lambert is a really great adaptation
Speaker 1: of the book. Book is a little more campy and
Speaker 1: its horness is just like very intense, very brutal. The
Speaker 1: entire time. It's not as intellectual some of his other books,
Speaker 1: but it is NonStop scary if you want to just
Speaker 1: read something that's just like boo boo boo um. And
Speaker 1: I really like Mary Lambert's version and the remake I
Speaker 1: was excited about, but it's just such a modern bomber,
Speaker 1: like a lot of like just jump scares, loud music, dark, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just chief scares instead of building up to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hate that we're talking about, you know, the for
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, women's touch on Carry. And
Speaker 1: there's something about the writing of Carry that I want
Speaker 1: to like point out that I think is a just
Speaker 1: a good writing tip. Uh. In nineties seventy three with
Speaker 1: the novel Carry, it was accepted by the publishing house
Speaker 1: Double Day, but it was going to be his fourth novel,
Speaker 1: but it was the first to be published so for Carry.
Speaker 1: The novel actually began as a short story that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be for the Cavalier magazine, but King tossed
Speaker 1: the first three pages in the garbage can and it
Speaker 1: was actually Tabitha King who finished the pages out of
Speaker 1: the garbage and encouraged him to finish the story, and
Speaker 1: she said that she would help him with the female perspective,
Speaker 1: and he followed her advice and then we had to
Speaker 1: carry so it was like so even he knew he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm bad at writing women, and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: if I just talked to one and help her out,
Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, talking to women can really help
Speaker 1: you create any well. Yeah, and that's like whenever somebody's
Speaker 1: like because you know, sometimes I'll get and even sometimes
Speaker 1: listeners have hit me up and be like, you know,
Speaker 1: you and Danny talked about you know, white folks writing
Speaker 1: you know about people of color or women of color
Speaker 1: and all this like what is the thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: We'll send it to a person of color, woman of
Speaker 1: color because they let them and let them know, like
Speaker 1: like like let them know, be honest, because it's honestly
Speaker 1: if you if you would, if I would have got loquishia,
Speaker 1: I would have been like ye no, oh my gosh, chief,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the same. Yeah. No. I definitely think
Speaker 1: he struggles with that with his black characters as well.
Speaker 1: He does that like gross thing that I think a
Speaker 1: lot of writers that they might still do it, but
Speaker 1: definitely in the seventies and eighties where it's like describing
Speaker 1: their skin like food. Yeah, you know, and like using
Speaker 1: slang that's just so over the top and so unnatural
Speaker 1: that like you don't even realize you can cringe while
Speaker 1: you're reading a book. It's just like, oh, I'm shuddering.
Speaker 1: When when Lee Unchorage wanted to do Coco, like they
Speaker 1: were like, okay, but you need to immerse yourself. You
Speaker 1: need to go to Mexico. You need to be there.
Speaker 1: Um and actually, like you know, so he's not just
Speaker 1: like writing something that he's not familiar with. And of
Speaker 1: course he also brought on um Adrian Molina. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to work with people of color or women
Speaker 1: are like anybody whose voice is not your voice because
Speaker 1: other right, we talked about this with it um. Chapter
Speaker 1: two starting with a hate crime, like if you are
Speaker 1: a person who's not affected by hate crimes, brought it
Speaker 1: by someone who is because it's so tone deaf otherwise
Speaker 1: and triggering, super triggering. Um, I wanted to talk about two.
Speaker 1: How I saw Secret Window a rear window. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I love secret windows, Secret Windows. Secret Garden is a
Speaker 1: short story and then it was made into a movie
Speaker 1: just called a Secret Window about a writer who is
Speaker 1: plagued by a man who keeps insisting that the book
Speaker 1: that he's famous for was written by this insane man
Speaker 1: who keeps showing up at his doorstep day after day.
Speaker 1: And they made the movie in like two thousand and
Speaker 1: five thousand and six, with Johnny Depp and John Taturot
Speaker 1: being the guy who shows up on his footstep on
Speaker 1: his doorsteps saying you stole my story over and over
Speaker 1: throughout the entire movie, and that for me is enough
Speaker 1: to love a movie. Um, it's Johnny Depp. Um. At
Speaker 1: the last time I think he was cute, he is
Speaker 1: abusive and the worst. But Weekend acknowledge he was like
Speaker 1: a heart job in the nineties. The last time he
Speaker 1: was cute was when he was in this movie. And
Speaker 1: he's actually like pretty good in it. Uh. It is
Speaker 1: actually a very underrated adaptation. There's just a couple of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's super known for horror. I know you were
Speaker 1: talking about Creep Show, which has it's which is out
Speaker 1: now a new version of Creep Show yea on um
Speaker 1: shutter yeah anthology series, so that one isn't all based
Speaker 1: on his stories like some of them are, like the
Speaker 1: original Creep Show movies. He did with George Romero of
Speaker 1: Donna the Dead, um Night a Living Dead zombie fame,
Speaker 1: and a couple of those were based on his short stories,
Speaker 1: and then a couple of them were like original stories
Speaker 1: and they split directing. And he also cameoed in one
Speaker 1: of the original creep Show Saidila, I know that he
Speaker 1: cameoed in it too, but like he likes to pop up.
Speaker 1: He's like m Night Shamalan. Yes, he I love and
Speaker 1: I love a cameoke. I don't think it's cheesy. I
Speaker 1: think it's cute, like you worked hard, show your face. Um.
Speaker 1: He directed the only movie he ever directed, Maximum Overdrive,
Speaker 1: which everybody thinks is like one of the worst horror
Speaker 1: movies ever, but it's like a little fun. He cameos
Speaker 1: in that and people think it's like one of the
Speaker 1: worst cameos ever. Um. But yeah, he's in this one
Speaker 1: where basically mold takes over it like some kind of alien.
Speaker 1: Mold takes over his whole house and his whole face.
Speaker 1: And there's some really good gifts of their out there
Speaker 1: of him covered in green grass. If you need a
Speaker 1: good Stephen King gift, Can you talk to me a
Speaker 1: little bit about the Green Mile because it just feels
Speaker 1: like such a turn, but maybe because I'm not familiar
Speaker 1: with his work. Um, it's it's a turn if if
Speaker 1: you're thinking of him as like a just a prolific
Speaker 1: horror writer, which he is, but he does do a
Speaker 1: lot of work like Shawshank Redemption. I'm sorry, yes, also
Speaker 1: that before definitely Like so, he's written a ton of
Speaker 1: books that actually don't necessarily have horror horror elements. So
Speaker 1: Stephen King, one of the inspirations that we didn't talk
Speaker 1: about was his love of crime and detective novels and
Speaker 1: Elmore Leonard is an author that he has been very
Speaker 1: inspired by, and so I think that when he explore
Speaker 1: something like The Green Mile, what's really interesting about it
Speaker 1: is that it came out serially like it's a really
Speaker 1: large book, but originally it just came out chapter by chapter,
Speaker 1: which is something that they used to do back in
Speaker 1: like the forties and fifties, where you would just get
Speaker 1: part of a crime novel like every week or every month.
Speaker 1: And so he was trying to use that element in
Speaker 1: a new way with a new story, and that's how
Speaker 1: The Green Mile came to be. And he wanted to
Speaker 1: use that UM Prison Um, the grayness of like who's
Speaker 1: really bad, who's really good? That comes up in a
Speaker 1: lot of his work, and I think it is interesting
Speaker 1: because when you deal with monsters and the supernatural, there's
Speaker 1: a big bad and then there's the good and you're
Speaker 1: fighting each other, especially in the stand which is just
Speaker 1: about good and evil. But when you start exploring um, crime, uh,
Speaker 1: police prison systems, it becomes this grayness of some people
Speaker 1: are about some people are good. And I think through
Speaker 1: his work that is not straightforwardly super now trull, he's
Speaker 1: able to explore the like gray upsetting nous of our
Speaker 1: real society. So it's still very challenging. And then he
Speaker 1: weaves a little bit of supernatural elements into the green.
Speaker 1: Well those all those UM stand by Me and the
Speaker 1: Shawshank Redemption and the Green Mild, they all have horror
Speaker 1: elements to them, like something terrifying that happens or crime.
Speaker 1: Like you said, so that that is still fascinating. Um.
Speaker 1: But Okay, so you've read so many of his books
Speaker 1: and still are reading his books. Have you noticed a
Speaker 1: change in his writing style over the years. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that there's more nuance as he you know, knows
Speaker 1: more about the world ages as we all learn that
Speaker 1: some things are like not appropriate anymore, or things that
Speaker 1: are more interesting the older you get. Um and ideas
Speaker 1: that he keeps coming back to related to the Dark Tower.
Speaker 1: So the thing that I love about his books is
Speaker 1: it always has the nuance and the expository writing where
Speaker 1: he explores everything in minute details, which I love. But
Speaker 1: then I think he has flushed out characters every decade
Speaker 1: more and more and more and made them, like made
Speaker 1: the female characters way more interesting and more in depth
Speaker 1: and less caricature e. And I will also say that
Speaker 1: I think his scary stuff is more about the world
Speaker 1: being scary and less like haunted dogs, you know. But
Speaker 1: I think his style that I love has stayed true.
Speaker 1: It's like every time I opened a Stephen King book,
Speaker 1: it feels like I'm at home, and it reminds me
Speaker 1: of like being a teenager under the covers and just
Speaker 1: being like, m this feels like secret scary. I love that. Um, Well,
Speaker 1: I guess what are some other things? I know that
Speaker 1: it's impossible to talk about this man's ripping the table
Speaker 1: because there's so many things. Now nobody writes this woman,
Speaker 1: she clearly knows everything there is to know and if
Speaker 1: we could go for four hours, she really would. I
Speaker 1: hope that you get asked to be in a document
Speaker 1: I got asked to be in a documentary for Twilight Zone.
Speaker 1: I was like, finally, the one thing that I know
Speaker 1: the most of asides Wonder Woman and anime, um, the
Speaker 1: one thing. Well, everybody that listens to this has to
Speaker 1: hear me reference it. But Rod Serling is the reason
Speaker 1: I became a writer, one of the biggest reasons, and
Speaker 1: so so much of that and what I deal with.
Speaker 1: You know, Stephen King is the reason I love horror.
Speaker 1: That was my Stephen King, and I guess maybe Fear Street,
Speaker 1: although I don't want to give our els time that
Speaker 1: much credit, but like, reading those as a tween got
Speaker 1: me interested in like this idea of greater worlds all
Speaker 1: around us, with like spooky tentacles coming out of the darkness. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think there's so many there's so many books
Speaker 1: that haven't been turned into movies, so you probably haven't
Speaker 1: heard about. And I think a lot of people think
Speaker 1: that books after the nineties aren't as good. There's this
Speaker 1: idea that like his early work as his best work,
Speaker 1: but like movie or excuse me books like Insomnia one
Speaker 1: of my favorite books. It's so weird and it's so
Speaker 1: creepy about like the idea that everybody has a life
Speaker 1: force that can be like we're connected to stroy ings
Speaker 1: and that there's these supernatural beings that try to cut
Speaker 1: our strings and that's how you die. It sounds cheesy,
Speaker 1: but it is extremely sinister and disturbing and makes you
Speaker 1: wonder if they're like what's around me all the time.
Speaker 1: And it's very heavily connected to the Dark Tower. So
Speaker 1: if you're interested in the Dark Tower at all, but
Speaker 1: you're not sure if you want to commit to eight books,
Speaker 1: if you like Insomnia, then it'll throw you into it
Speaker 1: full force. So I love that book. I love a
Speaker 1: Bag of Bones, which and then came out in like
Speaker 1: the late nineties. It's a really classic ghost story and
Speaker 1: it's basically a cabin next to a lake and man
Speaker 1: is being haunted by his wife and maybe something else.
Speaker 1: Uh So it sounds really simple, but there's so much
Speaker 1: emotional core to it. It's also connected to the Dark Tower.
Speaker 1: See what I mean, they have a cash cow in
Speaker 1: their hands. Uh So, I definitely think people should check
Speaker 1: those books out. Um and Short his short story collections
Speaker 1: are bar none like if you don't want to commit
Speaker 1: to an elevene like it, uh, get like every things eventual.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite short story collections. It has
Speaker 1: fourteen o eight in it, which was remade, which was
Speaker 1: made into a movie with Samuel Jackson and John Cusick,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty good movie, but was Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I just rewatched it and I'm like, this is still scary.
Speaker 1: By the way the mist scared the rap out of it.
Speaker 1: We did dug. Yeah, it's a very upsetting. It messed
Speaker 1: me up. The actual novella is very scary too, and
Speaker 1: not even just the ending, but the actual monsters they created.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that he was super graphic in
Speaker 1: the novel. I didn't read the novel. I just saw
Speaker 1: the movie and it was traumatizing. Yeah, No, it's really scary.
Speaker 1: I'm always scared of the idea that, like in a disaster,
Speaker 1: supernatural or otherwise, the way that people could turn against
Speaker 1: each other and you depend on each other to survive.
Speaker 1: It gets me in a very stressed place to see
Speaker 1: that with the walking dead, like y'all need each other.
Speaker 1: There's only so many of you humans left. I had
Speaker 1: to stop watching The Walking Dead for that exact reason,
Speaker 1: because I have such a control freak that I'm like, okay, listen, now,
Speaker 1: if we put a graph together to work out we
Speaker 1: can all survive. Um. But U is one of the
Speaker 1: scariest short stories I've ever read, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of uncanny elements and he thinks about things like that
Speaker 1: are so strange to me, like a phone rings and
Speaker 1: he picks it up, and it's just like a strange voice,
Speaker 1: like counting random numbers and then intersplicing I've killed all
Speaker 1: your friends and then other numbers, and like you're all
Speaker 1: gonna die, just like weird, like corny to just say
Speaker 1: it now, but like when you're reading and you're like cool,
Speaker 1: cool in a hotel, totally normal, And the the idea of
Speaker 1: getting like a phone call like that that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: Like I love that stuff, things that you're not expecting
Speaker 1: that aren't just monsters but real and like why why
Speaker 1: would this happen? Um? I really love Everything's eventual and
Speaker 1: the like Skeleton Crew is a classic one and has
Speaker 1: that book that you were or that story that you
Speaker 1: were talking about The John Skeleton Crew is a very
Speaker 1: good one too, and so you can get like his
Speaker 1: short story collections and get like a huge jolt from
Speaker 1: them if you're not into the expository writing and move
Speaker 1: forth and not feel like you have to, you know,
Speaker 1: commit to all five thousand pages of the Dark Tower. Well, honestly,
Speaker 1: probably bring you back to just talk about the Dark Tower. Oh,
Speaker 1: I would love to. I have like three additional books
Speaker 1: that are just compending on your eyes just got so wide,
Speaker 1: don't suppresent context didn't pop out? Um, well, where could
Speaker 1: everyone cut you? You can get at me on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram at LTB Comedy Lucy Tomlin Brenner. Those are
Speaker 1: my initials. Um. And I just started my own film
Speaker 1: podcast because I constantly am talking about movies and movies
Speaker 1: that I feel like everybody is missing. So I have
Speaker 1: a new podcast called you Need to See This about
Speaker 1: all the underrated gems in cinema, where me and my
Speaker 1: friends try to convince people that things are worth it
Speaker 1: spoiler free so you can listen even if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, and we won't ruin anything for you, and
Speaker 1: it's positive. It's all positive, not ragging on anything. Oh
Speaker 1: that's fun for me. I don't have anything coming up.
Speaker 1: Oh actually yeah, in November. I'll be in St. Louis
Speaker 1: the weekend of the eight so yeah, come through see
Speaker 1: me if you're in the St. Louis area. But besides that,
Speaker 1: U tune into my Twitter and Instagram for all my
Speaker 1: shows coming up. That's where I posted, Yeah, same here,
Speaker 1: I have something really cool. It was kind of what
Speaker 1: I was saying about the Twilight Zone. But I was
Speaker 1: in this documentary, um and you know how they have
Speaker 1: those Fathom events like before the movie starts and it's
Speaker 1: like it'll be like check this Fathom event and you're like,
Speaker 1: who does that? Well, it's one of those. So it'll
Speaker 1: be in theaters I think for one night only. Uh
Speaker 1: November four. It's the Twilight Zone, a sixty anniversary celebration.
Speaker 1: So I saw that. I just texted that to a
Speaker 1: friend and I was like, I have to go to this.
Speaker 1: So I don't I know that I'm in part of it.
Speaker 1: I think my full documentary like the full parts of me,
Speaker 1: So I might just be in a small part of it.
Speaker 1: Because I love that you're in it. That's so great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think what I'm actually in is in like
Speaker 1: a DVD release. I know that they're re releasing the
Speaker 1: toilet Zone for sixty anniversary, so we might be a
Speaker 1: special feature. I'm not sure. I just know that I'm
Speaker 1: going to be in part of this, and then the
Speaker 1: full documentary is you will I will definitely post about it.
Speaker 1: But if that is something that strikes your fancy, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of other people in it. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Jordan Peole will be in it because now that
Speaker 1: he's taking it on. But anyways, that's in theaters November four.
Speaker 1: It is the Toilet Zone sixte anniversary celebration. Finally, the
Speaker 1: amount that I have plugged and talked about it has
Speaker 1: paid off. That's incredible. That's the dream I am so
Speaker 1: plugging you for. If anyone ever comes to me about
Speaker 1: horror stuff, thank you. Yeah, I just um one of
Speaker 1: the I'll just leave it with one last thing is
Speaker 1: that I think that the humanity in horror is what
Speaker 1: I love the most. I love being scared and ghosts
Speaker 1: and monsters, but I love real people's experiences. And Stephen
Speaker 1: King is amazing at getting at the emotional core of fear.
Speaker 1: So it's not just us boo, but it's also like, well,
Speaker 1: here's my life story, and then the boo is even
Speaker 1: stronger and so I, um yeah, I really can't get
Speaker 1: enough of those types of stories. And if you like
Speaker 1: reading about real people going through like insane things, that's
Speaker 1: what makes him the most interesting to me. That's so cool.
Speaker 1: We'll have you back a promise. Great, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me again. This was
Speaker 1: totally different from the Halloween one and but just as
Speaker 1: much fun. So I appreciate it. No, we appreciate you
Speaker 1: for coming on. Thank you so much for stopping by,
Speaker 1: and thank you all for listening. This has been another
Speaker 1: nertive sent and like we always say, stay nerdy, stay spooky.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but last spook