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Speaker 1: I said that last night's presidential debate was a vice

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Speaker 1: That means that last night somebody had to come out

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Speaker 1: The answer is, in my opinion, no, last night's debate

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Speaker 2: Do I think it helped him last night, I do not.

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Speaker 1: I think this was a really bad night for Mike Pence,

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Speaker 1: I just said. The Hill newspaper said the winners last night,

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Speaker 2: It said this in The Hill.

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Speaker 1: Pence had struggled to qualify for the debates, taking a

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Speaker 2: But he has the surprise. He was a surprise.

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Speaker 4: for him to tread water. He had to have a

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Speaker 4: breakout moment, and Ramaswamy completely outshowed him. I knew President

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Speaker 4: Trump wasn't going to be there tonight. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis I'm gonna skip the debate as well.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that last line from Jason, and look,

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Speaker 1: Jason's a very smart political operative.

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Speaker 2: He was looking forward to using that line, Okay, very

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Speaker 2: much looking forward to use that line.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I knew missed the debate tonight, but I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that DeSantis was gonna miss the debate tonight.

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Speaker 2: He's right though, the same way that I just said it.

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Speaker 1: He needed a great breakout night and that breakout moment

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Speaker 1: did not happen. Now you look at the other people

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Speaker 1: that were on stage last night, let me give you

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Speaker 1: a quick recap on them.

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Speaker 2: Senter Tim Scott. He had a fine night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's a tier two guy. He's very kind, he's likable.

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Speaker 1: I think he's you know, a compromise between a Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley and a Mike Pence and a Scott. You put

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Speaker 1: all three of those together, you're still only pulling at

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Speaker 1: what three six percent? Did he do enough last night

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Speaker 1: to jump up maybe a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He may be able to take a.

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Speaker 1: Few points last night from others like Hayley or Chris Christie,

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Speaker 1: but they only have two points to give. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you grab fifty percent of their supporters and fine.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was clear also that I think Scott's

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Speaker 1: personality and his mentality was to stay above the phrase

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Speaker 1: the fray and not get into these shouting matches between

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Speaker 1: Christy and Ramaswamians. In fact, he said he even said

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Speaker 1: when there was a big back and forth between Christy

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Speaker 1: and Ramaswami, he said, quote going back and forth, being

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Speaker 1: childish is not helpful for the American people.

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Speaker 2: I believe he could take.

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Speaker 1: Some people from Pence as well because of his performance

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Speaker 1: last night. But Scott is a guy that is very

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Speaker 1: measured in his demeanor. That's why I love him. I

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Speaker 1: actually think he has a great chance of being named

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Speaker 1: the vice president of Kennate to Donald Trump. At this point,

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Speaker 1: I think, if I'm the vice president or if I'm

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I'm looking at Scott saying, Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: a guy that has a lot of friends in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: he has a lot of friends on Capitol Hill. He's

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Speaker 1: a very measured guy, very much in the same way

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Speaker 1: that the reason why he picked Mike Pence, and he

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Speaker 1: could bring some of that Washington know how to get

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Speaker 1: deals done for the Trump administration on Capitol Hill. That

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Speaker 1: would be the reason why I'd put him on the

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Speaker 1: very very short list as candidates to be chosen for

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Speaker 1: the vice presidency. Now, Nikki Haley last night did take

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest shots of anyone on stage at

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. She said this about Trump not being at

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Speaker 1: the debates and also about Trump's campaign. Listen carefully, politician

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Speaker 1: in America, is Donald Trump a guy that you said

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Speaker 1: is your friend?

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Speaker 5: And we have to face the fact that Trump is

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Speaker 5: the most disliked politician in America.

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Speaker 6: We can't win a general election that way. We went

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Speaker 6: into that statement. It's true, it's true. You can look

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Speaker 6: at any of the polls. He is my friend. It

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Speaker 6: was an honor to serve with him. I agree with

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Speaker 6: most of his policies.

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Speaker 5: But he's going to spend more time in a courtroom

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Speaker 5: next year than he is campaigning.

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Speaker 6: We have to be realistic about that.

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Speaker 5: Do I want to clean up weaponization and Department of

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Speaker 5: Justice and the intelligence agencies?

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Speaker 6: You bet? Is he going to be the reason We're

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Speaker 6: to do it.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, But at the end of the day, we have

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Speaker 5: to beat President Kamala Harris. It is too dangerous to

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Speaker 5: think about what happens if she wins, and we can't

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Speaker 5: have a former president sitting in a courtroom campaigning from there.

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Speaker 6: It's not gonna work. How's he so, how's he winning

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Speaker 6: by so much?

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 5: Well? Well, I mean, I think right now, this is

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Speaker 5: the kickoff of the campaign season. The first debate gets

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Speaker 5: things going, and then we'll go into the next few months.

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Speaker 6: We've got a debate every month.

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Speaker 5: This is where people can see their opportunities. I wish

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Speaker 5: you would have been on the stage.

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Speaker 6: I think it would have been good for him to

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Speaker 6: be on the stage so that he could have answered

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Speaker 6: some of the questions, but he wasn't. But we've got

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Speaker 6: to go forward. We have a country to save.

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Speaker 1: We have to go forward. We have a country to save.

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley saying Trump's going to be spending more time

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Speaker 1: in the courtroom next year than he is campaigning. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a lie. Okay, I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: true at all. I think that's a cheap shot. It

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Speaker 1: from Nicki Haley to land a punch, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's a smart punch to Land Christy this morning

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Speaker 1: saying that Ramaswami is not the future of the GOP.

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Speaker 1: He also went on to say national polls are so silly.

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Speaker 1: My point is, clearly he knows Ramaswamy had a big night.

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Speaker 2: Listen carefully.

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Speaker 3: Is Vivick Ramaswamy the future of the Republican Party?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 6: Why is he pulling higher?

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Speaker 3: I mean I spent a lot of time going Sorry

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Speaker 3: to step on you.

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Speaker 6: There's a little delay, I asked, because you spent.

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Speaker 1: A lot of time going after him last night, and

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Speaker 1: he is pulling higher than you.

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Speaker 3: I responded to him twice when he came after me,

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Speaker 3: and so I don't think I spent a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of time on that poppy. He came after me, so

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Speaker 3: I'm going to respond. And by the way, he's not

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Speaker 3: pulling higher than me in New Hampshire, where I'm at

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Speaker 3: fourteen percent and in second place. And that's why these

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Speaker 3: national polls are so silly. We don't have a national primaries,

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Speaker 3: you know. And I'm really happy about the fact that

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Speaker 3: I'm at a clear second place now, five points ahead

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Speaker 3: of Ron Desantus and three points ahead of Vivek Ramaswami

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Speaker 3: in New Hampshire, and that's where this is going to

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Speaker 3: matter in the early states. That's going to set it up.

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Speaker 3: So the national polls are silliness unless we decide to

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Speaker 3: have a national primary, which is not what we're doing

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Speaker 3: in this race. So you know, I am no more

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Speaker 3: concerned about Vivek Ramaswami, but I am about anybody else

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Speaker 3: in the race. And last night he just decided that

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Speaker 3: he was going to try to talk as much as

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Speaker 3: he possibly could and insult everybody on the stage. This

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Speaker 3: is a guy who's barely ever voted and now he

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Speaker 3: wants to insult all of us who have been giving

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Speaker 3: to the public, been in public life for decades, sacrificing

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Speaker 3: to try to make this a better country, while he's

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Speaker 3: been sitting on the sidelines, pouting and not voting or

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Speaker 3: participating in the process. So, you know, no, I don't

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Speaker 3: think that's the future of our party. I think it's

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Speaker 3: for the people who parts.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's a there's a certain point there

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Speaker 1: where I just kind of like have to laugh this

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Speaker 1: idea that you've got to and I've I've dealt with

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Speaker 1: this my entire career by arrogant and cocky individuals who

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Speaker 1: are elected officials. Specifically, I remember starting rady on was

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Speaker 1: twelve and and there was a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: would dismiss me as, oh, he's that that young whipper snapper.

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Speaker 2: Oh he hasn't paid his dues.

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Speaker 1: I had a politician one time tell me when I

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Speaker 1: was going to show you know what you need to do.

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Speaker 1: You need to start knocking on doors. You need to

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Speaker 1: pay your dues and work your way up. You can't

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Speaker 1: just walk in here and have an opinion. Well guess

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Speaker 1: what you were.

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Speaker 2: You're wrong. And I literally proved you wrong with my

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Speaker 2: entire career and.

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Speaker 1: This idea, this elitist idea that oh, well, you have

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Speaker 1: to pay your dues and play the game.

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Speaker 2: Screw that.

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Speaker 1: Like, I love newcomers. I like people that get pissed

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Speaker 1: off about how bad things are in this country and

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Speaker 1: they say, you know what, I'm going to run for office.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should have to stand back and

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Speaker 1: pay your dues. I think there's some new people that

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Speaker 1: come in and they wake up because of something happened,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, I'm all in and I

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Speaker 1: don't like how things are now, and I want to fight,

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Speaker 1: and I want to I want to go after and

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Speaker 1: defend this country and defend those and protect it. I

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Speaker 1: don't this whole idea that I've got to wait my

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Speaker 1: turn or I got to get to the back of

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Speaker 1: the line, like I'm sorry, screw you. And I can

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Speaker 1: name dozens of politicians that have said and treated me

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Speaker 1: that way, the same exact way that Chris Christy just

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Speaker 1: treated Ramaswam in other words, you know, no, this is

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Speaker 1: you need to shut up. I'm I've been around longer

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Speaker 1: than you, I've done more than you. I'm better than

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Speaker 1: you are, right, I mean, that's that's that's the argument

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Speaker 1: that's being made. Right, I'm better than you, I know

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Speaker 1: more than you, I've served more than you. So but

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Speaker 1: you know, by default you need to shut up and

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Speaker 1: you need to go backwards. That's the crap that makes

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Speaker 1: me angry. I think, I think Ramaswami clearly came out

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