WEBVTT - #337 Maggie Freleng with Amelia Bird

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<v Speaker 1>A note for listeners, this episode contains discussion of suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>Please listen with caution and care. For Amelia Bird, her

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<v Speaker 1>world never felt safe from a young age. She was mentally, physically,

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<v Speaker 1>and sexually abused by family members. She tried to get

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<v Speaker 1>help from anyone she could.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to my school counselor and begged them to

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<v Speaker 2>call DFS, call whoever to come get me, because I

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<v Speaker 2>could not live in that house any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>The counselor referred her to a mental health facility.

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<v Speaker 2>I told them I was suicidal. They I would die

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<v Speaker 2>before I ever went back in that house. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>do it no more.

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<v Speaker 1>When adults in Amelia's life continued to fail her, she

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<v Speaker 1>turned to drugs, alcohol, and older men for comfort. But

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<v Speaker 1>these avid news would lead not to escape, but to

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<v Speaker 1>her biggest downfall.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember waking up big in It was storming, really bad,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing you've seen like actually seeing the lightning. My window

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<v Speaker 2>was open so I could hear the rain hit in

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<v Speaker 2>the tin roof. And then I remember going to the

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom and that's when I seen blood and I heard

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<v Speaker 2>the words, I can't believe you shot me. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is familiar Bird. I've been in prison, said Jay Ary thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and six. And I am innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>From lava for good. This is wrongful conviction with Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>Freeling today.

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<v Speaker 3>Amelia Bird.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia Bird was born on April nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>to William and Christina Bird in Summersville, Missouri. Amelia was

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<v Speaker 1>the baby in the family. Her brother, Justin, is five

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<v Speaker 1>years older.

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up on a farm fish. We did have

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<v Speaker 2>horses there at the inn. We were getting cattle and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And life both in and out of school, kept Amelia busy.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked a school program and worked until sometimes seven

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<v Speaker 2>eight o'clock at night training horses, and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved working with horses.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, Amelia was pretty close with her dad.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought like he was the best guy in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>like I was Daddy's little girl. From the outside looking in,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like picture perfect. Just like everything, every home

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<v Speaker 2>has its secret.

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<v Speaker 1>And the secrets in the Bird home were dark ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought that, you know, my mom was cheating

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<v Speaker 2>on my dad, because that's what I would overhear the

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<v Speaker 2>adults saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But as she got older, Amelia started realizing her father

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<v Speaker 1>was the problem. One day, she found her mom cowering

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<v Speaker 1>in fear from her dad.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened. It just remember it was

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<v Speaker 2>on Mother's Day when he had my mom trapped against

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<v Speaker 2>the wall, down on the floor, and the whole bedroom

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<v Speaker 2>is destroyed toward to pieces, and my grandmother had to come,

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<v Speaker 2>my aunt had to come. And that's like my eyes

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<v Speaker 2>started seeing that my mom wasn't necessarily the bad person

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<v Speaker 2>that it was more my dad. My father has a

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<v Speaker 2>temper on him. He does not know when to stop

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<v Speaker 2>when he gets angry, whether he verbally or physically abuses.

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<v Speaker 2>You can almot see it like in his eyes changing.

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<v Speaker 1>And Amelia's mother was not the old only target of

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<v Speaker 1>his reach.

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<v Speaker 2>One time, my mom had told me to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do it right away, so he gave me

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<v Speaker 2>a whapon and it started outside, then went inside and

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<v Speaker 2>he continued to a point like I was black and

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<v Speaker 2>blue from my lower back almost to the back of

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<v Speaker 2>my knees.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia started to notice that her mom never stood up

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<v Speaker 1>for her or for herself.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom was very like quiet and meek, and no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what happened to her, like she would just take

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<v Speaker 2>it and keep going. I knew she was scared of

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<v Speaker 2>him because she had left him twice the time Mother's

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<v Speaker 2>Day and then another time she had left him again,

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<v Speaker 2>and we actually moved into a whole nother house, took

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<v Speaker 2>the horses, everything like we packed up and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But her mom always went back and in comparison to

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<v Speaker 1>how they treated her, Amelia's parents often spoiled and favored

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<v Speaker 1>her brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin anything he said was right, something would happen and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd always be like, why can't you be like your brother?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you have to misbehave so much? Why can't

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<v Speaker 2>you a great to be better? It was like one

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<v Speaker 2>thing on top of another, and they always compared me

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<v Speaker 2>to him.

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<v Speaker 1>This was painful enough for Amelia, but worse than that,

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<v Speaker 1>she says, was that her brother took advantage of her.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother had sexually abused me, and I knew no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what was said, they would always take his side

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<v Speaker 2>of her mind and tell me that I'm just making

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<v Speaker 2>it up to get attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia says her cousin sexually abused her too. By the

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<v Speaker 1>time she was ten, To deal with the emotional and

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<v Speaker 1>physical pain of the ongoing abuse, Amelia began to self medicate.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing that I got introduced to was just

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<v Speaker 2>filled and they were like yellow jackets and like worriots.

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<v Speaker 2>There were stuff upper to try to keep me awake,

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<v Speaker 2>because I had a whole fear and phobia of going

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep because that's when it seems that everything bad

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<v Speaker 2>always happened. So like I didn't like to go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>If I did, I wanted somebody there, whether it was

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<v Speaker 2>my dog Fred or whether it was somebody else like

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<v Speaker 2>one of my exes.

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<v Speaker 1>The pills soon led to alcohol, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That was that I don't even remember who. It was

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<v Speaker 2>at a friend's house that she told me, she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>this will help, and we started drinking and it started

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<v Speaker 2>off with just like sour apple Tucker sn It led

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<v Speaker 2>to vodka and hard liquor, and then one time she

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<v Speaker 2>had moonshine. Then I started hanging out with this other

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<v Speaker 2>girl and we partied all the time. She introduced me

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<v Speaker 2>to we mushrooms and more pills. I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what all those were because we would put them all

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<v Speaker 2>in a bowl and just grab them and take them

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<v Speaker 2>and take a shot. I felt so much shame. I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like it was my fault for a very long

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<v Speaker 2>time over it, because I didn't understand why it had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So Amelia began looking for a way out for herself.

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<v Speaker 2>I found a college that was like a rodeo school

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<v Speaker 2>to where I could barrel race on the side but

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<v Speaker 2>also get an education, and I really wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved barrel racing. My biggest dream was I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ride my horse through every state. I had mapped

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<v Speaker 2>it out when I was ten years old.

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<v Speaker 1>But these dreams were crushed by her father.

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<v Speaker 2>He's told me that I'm too stupid to do anything,

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<v Speaker 2>never going to mount to nothing in life, that I

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<v Speaker 2>need to give up all my dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia felt trapped. Starting from age eleven, she confided in

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<v Speaker 1>adults about what was going on at home. However, Amelia

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<v Speaker 1>says the adults she turned to always betrayed her. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time she was fourteen, she was desperate.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to my school counselor and begged them to

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<v Speaker 2>call DFS, call whoever to come get me because I

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<v Speaker 2>could not live in that house any longer. And they

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<v Speaker 2>brought in a juvenile offster that scared me. He told

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<v Speaker 2>me we had to talk to my parents. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you might as well give it up. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk. Then if you're going to talk to my parents.

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<v Speaker 2>They ended up he did end up getting to hold

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<v Speaker 2>my parents and we all sit down, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>made me go home and they had my dad drive

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<v Speaker 2>me to the next down over to meet some people

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<v Speaker 2>to pick me up to drive me to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Once she got to the mental health facility, I told.

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<v Speaker 2>Them I was suicidal, that I would die before I

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<v Speaker 2>ever went back in that house. I can't do it

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<v Speaker 2>no more. I can't do the argument, I can't do

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<v Speaker 2>the abuse. Nobody wants to stand up for nobody, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done.

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<v Speaker 1>But even at the hospital, she still felt that no

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<v Speaker 1>one believed her.

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<v Speaker 2>I started thinking that I was delusional and that it

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<v Speaker 2>really wasn't a big deal, and then I was the

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<v Speaker 2>one in the wrong, Like I really started feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>that there was some wrong with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia stayed in the hospital for about eleven days and

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<v Speaker 1>then she was released back to her family and to

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<v Speaker 1>the abuse. Her dad was the one who came to

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<v Speaker 1>drive her home from the hospital, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Whole time he would not speak to me. That night,

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<v Speaker 2>he just yelled at me. They made fun of me.

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<v Speaker 2>They said, you'd better be careful what you say. She

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<v Speaker 2>might become suicidal and make comments like, well, we'll just

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<v Speaker 2>beat it out of her and then she'll be better.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need no hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>When Amelia left the facility, doctors prescribed her prozac and trazadone,

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<v Speaker 1>but when her dad said it was too expensive, that

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<v Speaker 1>she was costing the family too much money, she stopped

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<v Speaker 1>taking the medication. Still, Amelia and her mother grew closer.

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<v Speaker 1>She especially cherishes one good memory of being with her mom, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a float trip. It was just me and her,

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<v Speaker 2>and it didn't start off very good and it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>end good. That the middle part was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia and her mom were just bonding and having heart

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<v Speaker 1>to hearts as they floated on the river together. But

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<v Speaker 1>then a thunderstorm struck.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we got trapped and it was like two in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning when somebody finally found us on the river.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my dad, and he was mad none at all,

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<v Speaker 2>get out for even having to come looking for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the whole trip itself, like in the middle, just

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<v Speaker 2>being her out on the water was so much fun

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<v Speaker 2>and amazing, and it's like one of my last memories

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<v Speaker 2>of her.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fall of two thousand and five, the abuse

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<v Speaker 1>was still rampant. In addition to self medicating, Amelia was

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<v Speaker 1>also seeking out relationships with older men.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really associate with a lot of people my age.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just not mentally on the same level as me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've grown up very fast. I never really had

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<v Speaker 2>a childhood, So I always hung out with people that

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<v Speaker 2>were way older than me, and I would meet them,

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<v Speaker 2>like at horse shows, and they would not even know

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<v Speaker 2>my age. They would just assume I was older.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia began and on again off again relationship with a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Maynard, who was about five years older than her.

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<v Speaker 2>My family hated him. They blamed him for the drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>the alcohol. They blamed him for me going to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>They blamed him for so much.

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<v Speaker 1>But Amelia says that Maynard always protected her. He would

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<v Speaker 1>even sneak in and spend the night with her when

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<v Speaker 1>she was too afraid to sleep, But her parents had

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<v Speaker 1>no tolerance for him. Maynard and Amelia's dad even got

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<v Speaker 1>into a physical fight once. Eventually, things with Maynard ended,

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<v Speaker 1>and one day, Amelia, now sixteen, came home from work

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<v Speaker 1>and met nineteen year old Chad Brantley. Chad was at

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<v Speaker 1>her family's house with a friend who was buying a

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<v Speaker 1>truck from her dad.

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<v Speaker 2>We just started hanging out in between my schedule and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he didn't have no job, no education. He

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<v Speaker 2>played music at a bar. He was a drummer. He

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<v Speaker 2>told me he would start doing ged classes. He told

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<v Speaker 2>me he would get a job everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia really liked Chad, even though he was somewhat adrift.

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<v Speaker 1>She felt like he took care of her. She even

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<v Speaker 1>confided in Chad about the abuse she was enduring at home.

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<v Speaker 1>But quickly this relationship also turned volatile.

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<v Speaker 2>He got to where he was demanding that I spend

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<v Speaker 2>all this time with him. If I didn't, he would

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<v Speaker 2>get angry with me. It would get loud. He liked

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<v Speaker 2>to drink, and he done meth and other stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know what all he'd done, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>he done meth and other stuff a lot more harder

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<v Speaker 2>than what I done. I told him about my dreams,

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<v Speaker 2>what I wanted to do. I wanted to show. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to train. I wanted to do all that like

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<v Speaker 2>that was my goal in mine, to be this amazing trainer.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted me to give up horses, and I never

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<v Speaker 2>would give up the horses because that was my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>With Chad's violent and controlling behavior, their relationship didn't last long.

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<v Speaker 2>We started fighting really bad because he was meaning too much,

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<v Speaker 2>and I told him I needed time in space, that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, on the afternoon of January thirteenth, two thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia was leaving school when she spotted him. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>an accident.

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<v Speaker 2>Chad was sitting there waiting for me. I told him

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<v Speaker 2>I did not want to talk to him right then,

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<v Speaker 2>that we would talk later, that I had to go

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<v Speaker 2>to work. I told him i'd call him when I could.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, right before midnight, Amelia woke up to a thunderstorm.

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<v Speaker 2>My window was open so I could hear the rain

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<v Speaker 2>hit in the tin roof. And then I remember going

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<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom, and.

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<v Speaker 1>On her way to the bathroom, she passed her parents' bedroom.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I see, like, my mom is laying there,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad's standing there, and I heard with the words

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<v Speaker 2>that can't believe you shot me.

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia couldn't tell who was talking to whom or who

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking to. She raced to call nine.

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<v Speaker 2>One one, and then like from there everything got really confused.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember called nine one one, but I don't remember

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<v Speaker 2>called my brother. I don't remember done of that. I

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<v Speaker 2>read the reports all the time and it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember half the stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It was all a blur.

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<v Speaker 1>Before Amelia could even process what was happening, police showed up.

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<v Speaker 1>They determined that her mother, Christina Bird, had died from

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<v Speaker 1>gunshot wounds. Her father was taken to the er. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>he survived. This episode is underwritten by AIG, a leading

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<v Speaker 1>services and other support to underrepresented communities and individuals. Immediately

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<v Speaker 1>before any investigation took place, Amelia was a suspect and

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<v Speaker 1>was whisked off to the police station. She was questioned

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<v Speaker 1>that night, and she says there was no adult present

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<v Speaker 1>aside from the investigators. The conversation was not recorded or documented.

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<v Speaker 2>They kept questioning me and talking to me about not

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<v Speaker 2>really even the crimeate itself. They would talk to me

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<v Speaker 2>about my mom's job. They talked to me about my boyfriends,

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<v Speaker 2>or they would talk to me about my sexual relationships

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<v Speaker 2>with men. They'd ask me about Maynard if I knew

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<v Speaker 2>where Maynard was or if I had seen him, and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that that's why they were questioning about him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because him and my dad and my mom had

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<v Speaker 2>that altercation. And I'm like, no, I haven't seen him

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<v Speaker 2>in a long time, Like I don't know where he is.

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<v Speaker 2>They asked me about what TV shows I watched, like

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<v Speaker 2>it made no sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>To Amelia, the questions seemed suggestive, leading and confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>I got mad because I'm like, why are you spending

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<v Speaker 2>all this time asking me these questions? Why aren't you

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<v Speaker 2>doing your job? Why are you not out there looking

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<v Speaker 2>for whoever or checking the house for any kind of evidence?

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<v Speaker 2>And I kept telling them, like nobody could physically enter

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<v Speaker 2>our house without leaving some kind of evidence. Because it

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<v Speaker 2>was raining and we've lived on a farm. It's muddy everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>like you can't even walk in the back door without

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<v Speaker 2>and dust footprints on the stupid wrung that my mom

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<v Speaker 2>in says on keeping down on the ground. They just

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't make any sense to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Who did you think that this?

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<v Speaker 5>At the beginning, I didn't couldn't for the life of

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<v Speaker 5>me figure it out, Like I didn't know who did it.

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<v Speaker 5>I swear that I seen somebody, but then I questioned

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<v Speaker 5>whether or not I even really seen that person, because

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<v Speaker 5>the way they made it seem that.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see anybody. To this day, I questioned whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not I even seen anybody, Like there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>things that I seek that I know that I've seen,

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<v Speaker 2>but then there's so many things that I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if they're even real, or if it's something that has

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<v Speaker 2>been twisted and hit in my head to make me

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<v Speaker 2>think that I seen this person or didn't see this person.

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<v Speaker 1>When talking to the police, Amelia briefly mentioned that her

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<v Speaker 1>ex boyfriend Chad Brantley could have possibly been behind the

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<v Speaker 1>grusome crime, but after police talked to Chad, they determined

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<v Speaker 1>that his and Amelia's stories conflicted and that to them

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<v Speaker 1>was suspicious. They arrested both Amelia and Chad on January fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, the day after the shooting. They

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<v Speaker 1>were both threatened with the death penalty. Chad admitted to

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<v Speaker 1>police that he was responsible for killing Amelia's mother and

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<v Speaker 1>that he intended to kill both parents, but he also

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<v Speaker 1>said that Amelia had put him up to the murder

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<v Speaker 1>and that they planned the shooting together.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you ever ask Chad to kill your parents?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I might have said something like I wish they would

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<v Speaker 2>get out of my life. Oh, I can't stand then

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<v Speaker 2>leave me alone. But I've never blatantly went up to

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<v Speaker 2>him and said, hey, will you do this? Not one time.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you actually want them dead?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I wanted him to leave me alone. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>my dad to leave my mom alone and me alone.

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<v Speaker 2>That I didn't want him dead.

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<v Speaker 1>To save himself from the death penalty, Chad wound up

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<v Speaker 1>taking a plea deal. He admitted to shooting Amelia's parents

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<v Speaker 1>and was sentenced to life in prison. At the age

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<v Speaker 1>of sixteen, Amelia was charged as an adult two years later.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and eight, she was assigned public defender

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<v Speaker 1>Donna Holden. Terrified of the death penalty, Amelia took Holden's

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<v Speaker 1>advice and accepted a plea. But here's the thing. As

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<v Speaker 1>a minor at the time of the crime, Amelia was

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<v Speaker 1>not legally eligible for the death penalty, yet her attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>Donna Holden, never told her this.

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<v Speaker 2>The way she made it seem is I would only

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<v Speaker 2>serve ten years, So I figured, what's ten years. I

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<v Speaker 2>get away from the family. At the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all taken care of. Everybody's left alone, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>done with whatever. And then I got to prison. They

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<v Speaker 2>actually brought me in and told me that I had

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<v Speaker 2>two life sinces running.

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<v Speaker 1>Wild, in other words, two consecutive life sentences. Amelia immediately

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to the Public Defender's office to question the sentencing,

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<v Speaker 1>and one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the responses was something like, well, it's up to

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<v Speaker 2>doc how much time you actually serve. I told you

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<v Speaker 2>that in the beginning, which is not what she told me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm so angry because I felt like I had

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<v Speaker 2>been betrayed yet again. So I kept saying, is I

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<v Speaker 2>want to go to trial because I didn't do nothing wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would have went to trial. I really wish

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<v Speaker 2>I would have went to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite no hard evidence connecting her to the shooting of

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<v Speaker 1>her parents and death of her mother, nineteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>Amelia received the two life sentences to be served consecutively

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<v Speaker 1>and because Amelia accepts it a plea deal. Her right

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<v Speaker 1>to direct appeals was strictly limited to filing a claim

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<v Speaker 1>of ineffective assistance of counsel, and Amelia believes that her

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<v Speaker 1>public defender gave her bad advice by telling her to

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<v Speaker 1>take the plea deal. Donna Holden never filed an ineffective

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<v Speaker 1>assistance of counsel claim to argue this, nor did she

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<v Speaker 1>pass the case on to someone else to file it

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<v Speaker 1>on Amelia's behalf. Amelia missed all the deadlines and opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>for relief, so she settled into life behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first got here, I kind of said to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really know what to do I do. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to get my JD first off. That was like my

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<v Speaker 2>first goal because they would let me school.

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<v Speaker 1>She also had a small identity change.

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<v Speaker 3>When did the nickname Milli come about?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when the first lady met me in prison, she

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<v Speaker 2>was what we call old head, just now what they

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<v Speaker 2>called me, so it's crazy, but she took me under

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<v Speaker 2>her wing and was like, your new name's Milly. She

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you're not a Millia and you're not burned,

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<v Speaker 2>You're Milli. And it stuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Milly earned her ged within a couple of months, but

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<v Speaker 1>because of her life sentence, she can't take college classes.

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<v Speaker 1>Many prisons in the US believe spending resources on people

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<v Speaker 1>who will never leave prison is a waste of money.

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<v Speaker 1>But Millie has kept busy with other prison activities such

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<v Speaker 1>as theater, softball, and her prison factory job. And she's

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<v Speaker 1>worked hard through therapy to improve her mental health and

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<v Speaker 1>overcome the traumas that shaped her youth.

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<v Speaker 3>But what has.

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<v Speaker 1>Changed her life inside prison the most was joining the

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<v Speaker 1>CHAMP Assistance Dog Program helping to train service dogs. Amelia

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<v Speaker 1>started with CHAMP in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>And that became my whole life. I fell in love

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<v Speaker 2>with it. The CHAMP program trained service dogs with them

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<v Speaker 2>for ten years. That was my world. To hear when

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<v Speaker 2>they get placed as a client. To know how much

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<v Speaker 2>you change that person's life is amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>She was from the beginning an excellent trainer and she

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<v Speaker 4>became absolutely a vital part of our program. Up there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Nola Ewers. She's the director of CHAMP, which

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<v Speaker 1>stands for Canine Helpers Allow More Possibilities. CHAMP operates in

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<v Speaker 1>prisons throughout the country, and Nola says it's a fitting

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<v Speaker 1>program for people who are incarcerated.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of learning about yourself when you're working dogs.

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<v Speaker 4>In order to be a good trainer, you have to

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<v Speaker 4>develop patients. You have to train yourself to look for

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<v Speaker 4>positive things, and those are the things that you want

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<v Speaker 4>to reward. Consistency, of course, never losing your temper. You've

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<v Speaker 4>got to do everything you can to build up this

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<v Speaker 4>trust and try to never do those things that are

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<v Speaker 4>going to harm that bond. So there's I think there

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<v Speaker 4>are a lot of things in there that are that

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<v Speaker 4>are kind of relate to not just working with dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Nola saw firsthand how the program helped Millie come out

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<v Speaker 1>of her shell.

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<v Speaker 4>If I gave her something to do, she'd jump on it,

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<v Speaker 4>tackle it, get it done. And I loved that because,

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<v Speaker 4>quite honestly, not not all the trainers were like that,

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<v Speaker 4>Not all of them were quite as dedicated. I needed

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<v Speaker 4>her to be able to share those skills and to

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<v Speaker 4>teach some of the other trainers how to be better trainers,

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<v Speaker 4>and she did.

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<v Speaker 2>It.

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<v Speaker 4>Was not comfortable for her, I think, by any means,

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<v Speaker 4>but she did it and really ended up being I

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<v Speaker 4>think my primary trainer up there.

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<v Speaker 1>While Millie was building a better life for herself than

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs she works with. She was also trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out ways to prove her innocence.

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<v Speaker 4>So I want to ask about the Willow Project.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you find out about them and why did

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<v Speaker 1>you reach out?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I actually I watched Bigly Blonde and got the

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<v Speaker 2>ideal to write Harvard a letter to see that they

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<v Speaker 2>would help me fight may case. They wrote me back

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<v Speaker 2>very nicely, told me I was in the wrong state.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went to the library and I found the

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<v Speaker 2>college book for everybody in Missouri that was in law school,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wrote a letter to them, and the Willow

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<v Speaker 2>Project reached back out to me, and we've been together.

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<v Speaker 6>Willow actually stands for women initiate legal lifelines to other women.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Anne Garrity Rothert, a professor of legal studies

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<v Speaker 1>and gender and Sexuality Studies at Webster University in Saint Louis, Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also the director of the Willow Project, a wrongful

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<v Speaker 1>convictions project for women.

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<v Speaker 6>There aren't very many, if any, other wrongful conviction programs

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<v Speaker 6>that are devoted only to people who are in women's prisons,

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<v Speaker 6>so it's sort of unique in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>The Willow Project emerged from the case of a woman

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<v Speaker 1>named Angel Stewart. Can you explain who Angel is?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>So, Angel. After a childhood of horrific physical and sexual

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<v Speaker 6>abuse by family members, she ran away from home at

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<v Speaker 6>the age of twelve. She became a prostitute, but she

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<v Speaker 6>has a very serious developmental disability. When she was about

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<v Speaker 6>eighteen or nineteen years old, she became held against her

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<v Speaker 6>will in the sex trafficking industry. Essentially, what happened was

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<v Speaker 6>that she was held against her will horrifically abused.

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<v Speaker 1>Her traffickers then dragged her along in a crime spree

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<v Speaker 1>during which they kidnapped and killed two elderly women. Angel

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<v Speaker 1>was charged with first degree murder and first degree kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>along with both men, and Angel took a plea deal

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<v Speaker 1>to kidnapping rather than murder, receiving life sentences in both

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<v Speaker 1>Missouri and Iowa. Angel is still in prison. The Willow

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<v Speaker 1>Project was started to help women like Angel and Milly

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<v Speaker 1>who do not have sufficient access to representation due to

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<v Speaker 1>injustices like poverty, oppression, exploitation, and violence. When the Willow

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<v Speaker 1>Project received Millie's letter, Anne instantly noticed red flags in

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<v Speaker 1>her case.

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<v Speaker 6>She was also horrifically physically and sexually abused throughout her life.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's sort of where the parallels exists within the

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<v Speaker 6>realm of the clients that we take on. So that

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<v Speaker 6>was her situation. This went on for several years where

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<v Speaker 6>she kept trying to get away or get someone to

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<v Speaker 6>listen to her. Nobody would listen to her, and so

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<v Speaker 6>at the age of sixteen, you know, as with many

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<v Speaker 6>sixteen year olds, she hated her parents, and she pretty

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<v Speaker 6>much told everybody that she hated them. I think it

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<v Speaker 6>makes a lot of sense. A lot of sixteen year

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<v Speaker 6>olds hate their parents with no real motivation, so hating

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<v Speaker 6>your parents when they actually are abusing you is a

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<v Speaker 6>logical thing. But she was very outspoken about it, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think that ultimately was what led to her

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<v Speaker 6>being accused wrongfully.

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<v Speaker 1>But Anne acknowledges that cases like Millie's may be more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to fight for.

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<v Speaker 6>If there is no DNA. Those cases become far more

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<v Speaker 6>complicated because it's often, you know, one personon's word against another.

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<v Speaker 1>This is especially common when women are involved in wrongful convictions.

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<v Speaker 6>So I think currently, out of the hundreds of people

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<v Speaker 6>who have been exonerated based on DNA evidence. Only thirteen

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<v Speaker 6>of them are women, and that's because a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>the crimes of which women are charged and convicted don't

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<v Speaker 6>involve DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>What's more, only eight to nine percent of all exoneries

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<v Speaker 1>are women.

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<v Speaker 6>And part of that is because people tend to not

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<v Speaker 6>believe women. We've seen this throughout the Me Too movement,

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<v Speaker 6>and so somewhere along the line, I decided that if

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<v Speaker 6>people were going to tell me they were innocent, I

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<v Speaker 6>was at least going to entertain that to be true.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the lack of any possible exonerating physical or forensic evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>or any means of appeal or relief, Ann believed Millie

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<v Speaker 1>and dug into her case.

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<v Speaker 6>I believe her because, you know, everything that could corroborate

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<v Speaker 6>her story in terms of research does corroborator story.

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<v Speaker 1>Ann also believes that Chad was solely responsible for these

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<v Speaker 1>crimes and that his motive was manipulation.

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<v Speaker 6>She had broken up with Chad, but he kept coming

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<v Speaker 6>back into the picture and you know, trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>as he said it, win back her affection, but mostly

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<v Speaker 6>it was just regain control. In my estimation of their relationship,

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<v Speaker 6>and so I think, you know, that is the impetus

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<v Speaker 6>for the whole set of crimes that he believed if

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<v Speaker 6>he could get her away from that house, that he

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<v Speaker 6>could have her for himself in whatever way, marry her,

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<v Speaker 6>but essentially just have total control over her. His motivation,

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<v Speaker 6>obviously was to as the actual shooter, to have his

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<v Speaker 6>sentence reduced, and the only way he was going to

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<v Speaker 6>be able to do that was to implicate her and

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<v Speaker 6>to turn state's evidence against her what she did.

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<v Speaker 1>The Willow Project has tried to argue this and defend

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<v Speaker 1>Millie's innocence the best they can. With no legal options

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<v Speaker 1>for relief, Anne has been filing clemency petitions while being

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<v Speaker 1>legislators and arguing for parole. Through the dog training program,

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<v Speaker 1>Nola has gotten to know Milli very well over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>They even co parent a dog together named Dasia. So

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<v Speaker 1>I asked her, you have written to the parole board

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<v Speaker 1>on Millie's behalf. What did you say in the letter?

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<v Speaker 4>What I said in my letter is that I was

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<v Speaker 4>so happy to see how she had grown over the

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<v Speaker 4>years that she'd been up there. She'd not only improved

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<v Speaker 4>her training skills, it's a wonderfully specific skill set to

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<v Speaker 4>learn how to train service dogs, but it impacts so much.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd also say that I was really happy of how

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<v Speaker 4>she had developed those skills were working with other people.

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<v Speaker 4>She became an excellent role model for our other trainers

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<v Speaker 4>and offenders.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's offered a job when she gets out.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct. We would love to have her. I mean seriously,

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<v Speaker 4>she has all the service dog skills that we would

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<v Speaker 4>love to see. Really, we'd welcome her.

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<v Speaker 1>Millie looks forward to getting out of prison and taking

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<v Speaker 1>that job, but for now, she spends a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time reflecting on her life and family. Milly grew closer

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<v Speaker 1>to her mother before she died, so she's been grieving

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<v Speaker 1>that loss over the years. She hasn't spoken to her

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<v Speaker 1>brother since before the crime, and she no longer has

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with her father, but she's staying strong, moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward and learning from her past. Is there anything you

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<v Speaker 1>would say to younger you sixteen pre sixteen? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>anything you'd want her to know or any other girls

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<v Speaker 1>in that situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just want them to know that you never

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<v Speaker 2>doubt themselves even though people are pushing them down, and

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<v Speaker 2>just stand up for themselves. Don't give up, don't ever

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<v Speaker 2>give up. Let your voice be heard like even though

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<v Speaker 2>people are telling you that you're the one in the wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>just stand up for yourself. I'm not this bad person

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<v Speaker 2>that I've been made out to be like. I'm really not,

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<v Speaker 2>and i just hope one day to get my second

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<v Speaker 2>chance to prove to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>To find out more about the Willow Project and how

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<v Speaker 1>to help support wrongfully convicted women like Amelia and Angel,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Willow Project stl dot org. You can also

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<v Speaker 1>find links to Amelia's Facebook support page and to Champ Assistance.

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<v Speaker 3>Dogs on our bio.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time Unwrongful Conviction with Maggie Freeling Butch Martin, the.

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<v Speaker 7>Fire marshal comes out and writes an opinion saying, you

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<v Speaker 7>cannot say that this was an intentionally set fire. You

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<v Speaker 7>could fill the shift in the court room when the

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<v Speaker 7>judge and the prosecutor I think really started to realize,

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<v Speaker 7>oh my goodness, we got an innocent man.

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