Speaker 1: Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi. I'm Sienna
Speaker 1: Jacole and I'm Leanna Holsten, and welcome to Toss Popcorn,
Speaker 1: the podcast where two idiots watched every film on the
Speaker 1: AFI's one hundred Greatest American Movies of All Time, the
Speaker 1: very slightly less Racist tenth Anniversary edition, And we are
Speaker 1: now watching movies directed by women, Sorry about it.
Speaker 2: This podcast is a safe sweatshop factory, summer factory coming
Speaker 2: of age for people who don't know anything about movies.
Speaker 2: Today we're watching Real Women Have Curves. Good warning, there
Speaker 2: will be spoilers about this sweaty old film.
Speaker 1: That's true. Mm hmm that's r m hm.
Speaker 2: Oh a content warning. We will be discussing a body image,
Speaker 2: the concept of bodies, fatness, fat phobia, phobia.
Speaker 1: It's two thousand and two. It's two thousand and two, baby, yeah,
Speaker 1: so get ready yeah.
Speaker 2: Mm Sienna, had you seen this before?
Speaker 1: I had? Oh my god?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then in that case, please could I hear
Speaker 2: your prediction for the movie Real Women Have Yes?
Speaker 1: Of course. Also, I have to tell you something that
Speaker 1: I realized after this prediction. I realized something. Oh great, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, Leanna, I'm about to watch real women
Speaker 1: have curves. Also, this is Sienna. I saw this movie
Speaker 1: a long time ago, and I love America Ferrera and
Speaker 1: I remember really enjoying it. I think it made me cry. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I look forward to watching it again. Maybe I'll
Speaker 1: remember some stuff. I think that she's like wants to
Speaker 1: leave town and maybe her family works like a factory.
Speaker 1: Did they make jeans?
Speaker 2: In my mind?
Speaker 1: Oh, I know what you realize, Probably there's just jeans
Speaker 1: in the movie. Well, no, you know, can't wait to
Speaker 1: see it again. See what we think? I love you, goodbye.
Speaker 2: Were you thinking of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants?
Speaker 1: I seem to combine them in my mind because I
Speaker 1: remember the clothing was part of it. That it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't wear these clothes, but like this, I'm making
Speaker 1: these clothes and yet I could never wear them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was afterwards, I was like, jeans, I
Speaker 1: am thinking of the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm picturing her looking at jeans. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: sorry about that, but I was close. Otherwise, Leanna, I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear your for this film.
Speaker 2: Okay, here it is. I Sienna, it's Leanna. I'm about
Speaker 2: to watch real women have curves. I predict I don't know,
Speaker 2: like early two thousands energy around the concept of a
Speaker 2: female body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you got it.
Speaker 2: And it probably was revolutionary at the time, but it
Speaker 2: might be annoying now, love you bye, you got it.
Speaker 1: You got it. Mm hmm. But on top of that,
Speaker 1: it's Mexican bitches.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Mexican American. And is it Catholic this time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah. Because the weird Christian Cheeto movie
Speaker 1: they made it weirdly Protestant. It was to be beloved
Speaker 1: by people who I do not connect with, but this
Speaker 1: one was for me. And can I tell you something,
Speaker 1: I remember something about what. I watched this for the
Speaker 1: first time, and I watched it. I wonder how much
Speaker 1: of this will be capable. I think it's okay. I
Speaker 1: watched first when I was for some reason home. My
Speaker 1: family was gone, which very rarely happened. I think they
Speaker 1: were traveling for some reason. I had to stay home
Speaker 1: for some school thing. I think it was my the
Speaker 1: summer after senior year for me. Oh, I'm really I
Speaker 1: was apped, but I was home and I was I
Speaker 1: My grandma had just like taken a fall or something.
Speaker 1: So I was one of the people like hanging out
Speaker 1: with my grandma and making sure she was all good
Speaker 1: and it was me and my t o and oh
Speaker 1: the amount of guilt that was thrown my way. That
Speaker 1: would be like, Sienna, you can go home now because
Speaker 1: I'll take care of her. You know, I have a
Speaker 1: lot to do today, but I'll do it. And I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I can do it, and they're like, no, You've done enough.
Speaker 1: And I'm like I was here for two days straight,
Speaker 1: like is that not enough? And it's like it's okay,
Speaker 1: I know you have to go do your things anyway,
Speaker 1: have fun, Sienna. And also you said you want underwear
Speaker 1: shopping sweat. That's like I love my family, but let
Speaker 1: me tell you I will. While watching this, I was
Speaker 1: like this is cultural, this generation, generations, the guilt, the
Speaker 1: weird like purity thing but like we want you to
Speaker 1: be married, but like, also, you're supposed to be pure
Speaker 1: and I'm just like you can feel it. And also
Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk to my mom about this.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my mom because I'm sure she feels
Speaker 1: it even more being like yeah, yeah, anyway, but I
Speaker 1: remember watching it at a time where I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I can I'm really experiencing my family in it, because
Speaker 1: I'm not usually the like main point person, but being
Speaker 1: like the eldest daughter who was home when no one
Speaker 1: else was, I was like, wow, my god, Wow, my god,
Speaker 1: this is this feels I can feel it. I can
Speaker 1: feel Yeah, whoa, anyway, that's a fun little fact. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this movie is pretty much is in many ways.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't have anybody in my
Speaker 1: family as heinous as her mom.
Speaker 2: But oh my god, her mom was so oh she sucked. Yeah,
Speaker 2: her mom sucked.
Speaker 1: That was crazy. Oh god, I really want to k
Speaker 1: about this movie. But first, yeah, hey girl, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey girl. What's up.
Speaker 1: How's it going?
Speaker 2: Did you get left behind at a party last night?
Speaker 2: There was something about.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I textedly on and I was like, can
Speaker 1: we just do it just a little bit later because
Speaker 1: I just And by the way, that extra half hour
Speaker 1: was exactly what I needed makes all the difference, it
Speaker 1: really does. But no, it was fine. It was like
Speaker 1: I went to a party with people I would I
Speaker 1: was tagging along to a party. I knew it was
Speaker 1: kind of their party, and I was attending, So I
Speaker 1: knew that there was a world in which I would
Speaker 1: go earlier because like my roommate, for example, it's her graduation,
Speaker 1: like she should hang out with her friends and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but when we were all leaving, they were all like,
Speaker 1: we don't want to stay long. I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: bet you will, but I bet you will. No, it
Speaker 1: was a good time. I'm glad I went. I had fun.
Speaker 1: But on the ride home, I was like, that's fine, guys, like,
Speaker 1: have fun. It's your graduation. I'm I'm going to take
Speaker 1: an uber home. It's been like probably a year since
Speaker 1: I've taken an Uber. This Uber driver was crazy. Oh
Speaker 1: and normally I'm like, literally, you're driving someone around all
Speaker 1: night like whatever, Like I don't really care about much.
Speaker 1: I don't have high standards for what an Uber ride is.
Speaker 1: But this person was driving so fast. Oh. I actually
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this could be when I die. Like
Speaker 1: there was a point where I was wondering, like is
Speaker 1: he mad at me? Did I do something? This just
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the way that you drive unless you're
Speaker 1: making a point or try to cheap. It felt like
Speaker 1: teach somebody a lesson type of vibe. But yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: this is just how this person drives and that's freaking insane. Oh.
Speaker 1: I got so carsick and was really like, I guess
Speaker 1: I should worry about my life at some point. And
Speaker 1: also I was like, is he gonna get mad because
Speaker 1: he knows that I know that this is not a
Speaker 1: good ride. It was so weird, so awkward. But then
Speaker 1: I got home and my tummy hurts so much and
Speaker 1: I ate a big chicken sandwich and fries because my
Speaker 1: roommate went out of town and he was like, do
Speaker 1: you want to take this? And I was sandwich and
Speaker 1: I got to I got to eat it. Oh. So
Speaker 1: it saved my life. I felt so much better and
Speaker 1: I went to bed alive.
Speaker 2: The sandwich that saved my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sandwich saved my life. Yeah. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It's been a long long time since I've been in
Speaker 1: a yeah, inexperienced like that. Leanna, hey girl.
Speaker 2: Hey girl, oh girl. I was in Brighton for the
Speaker 2: past two weekends. Brighton, which is by the sea, oh
Speaker 2: the south uka down by the seaside doing they have
Speaker 2: the Brighton Fringe Festival for the month of May, so
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are going up to Edinburgh
Speaker 2: in August will take their shows and work on them
Speaker 2: in Brighton, And we went on two Sundays in a row,
Speaker 2: and on the second Sunday, my Sweet Sweet Split Bill
Speaker 2: partner and I were both unexpectedly hungover. No, and before
Speaker 2: the show, which is at one in the afternoon, we
Speaker 2: have to do a lap around the town with our
Speaker 2: poster telling people that we're doing a stand up comedy
Speaker 2: show in an hour and please would they come and
Speaker 2: you can scan the QR code to buy tickets and
Speaker 2: it's at this venue around the corner in one hour.
Speaker 2: And we survived that. At one point Michael said to me,
Speaker 2: I can never feel this way again. And then we
Speaker 2: got to our venue and it turned out so we
Speaker 2: had stopped by the box office for the bright and
Speaker 2: Fringe the week before, and Michael happened to know the
Speaker 2: person who was working at the box office and was like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: we're doing a show at one forty five. If you
Speaker 2: feel like telling anybody, let him know. It turns out
Speaker 2: they told the chair of the festival, who then came
Speaker 2: to see our show. We meet this guy. We're both
Speaker 2: so hungover. After our lap of postering speaking to strangers
Speaker 2: in the sun, I was about to ask get into
Speaker 2: the makes it so much worse. It makes much of course,
Speaker 2: it was sunny. We get into the venue and he
Speaker 2: introduces himself and he says, oh, I'm the chair of
Speaker 2: the Festival and we both go oh hello, Not really,
Speaker 2: I think he's coming to the show. Three minutes beforehand
Speaker 2: we find out he's in the bar of that venue
Speaker 2: because he's seeing our show. So I duck into the
Speaker 2: venue where just Michael and I are setting up, and
Speaker 2: I say, the Chair of the Festival is coming to
Speaker 2: our show.
Speaker 1: I feel sick for you. I feel I feel hungover
Speaker 1: for you. And do you know what? It went so well?
Speaker 1: I bet it did? It went really well. I bet
Speaker 1: it did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we really pulled it out. We did it and
Speaker 2: we are thinking about doing Sober Fringe for Edinburgh Susk.
Speaker 1: God it was too much. Oh so funny. One thing
Speaker 1: that that you can do one thing, if Leonna can
Speaker 1: do anything, it's pull it together.
Speaker 2: It's get it.
Speaker 1: Want heritage business done? You're like, well it's businessess done,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna turn time for businesslf.
Speaker 2: Off Yeah yeah, yeah, special skills get business done. I'm
Speaker 2: getting business.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. Congratulations, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was a really fun show, really fun day.
Speaker 2: Then we ate so much Tai food after all.
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really nice.
Speaker 1: Well, Leanna, can you hear that?
Speaker 2: I can, but it's very faint, okay, you know, speaking
Speaker 2: of I mean that's helicopters are classic La and speaking
Speaker 2: of La.
Speaker 1: Speaking of La and helicopter parents kind of.
Speaker 2: And being kind of near the downtown Sienna, could you
Speaker 2: please give us a synopsis of the film Real Women
Speaker 2: Have Curves?
Speaker 1: Of course I can do that. Here I go, Real
Speaker 1: Women Have Curves. There's a lot of pressure on Anna
Speaker 1: in the summer following high school. Her teacher wants her
Speaker 1: to apply for college, but her family needs help at
Speaker 1: the dress factory. Anna's mom is pretty heinous to her,
Speaker 1: stressing about Anna's weight, purity, and allegiance to her family. Also,
Speaker 1: Anna likes this white boy who is highly sensual, but
Speaker 1: also highlights that he has a completely different life than her,
Speaker 1: her being a Mexican American girl with no financial cushion
Speaker 1: and real freedom and him being just a white boy
Speaker 1: who's kind of bored. But they have a very They
Speaker 1: have a very cute time. But in the end, girls
Speaker 1: who slay find a Way the end yay.
Speaker 2: Ooh that white boy, that skinny white boy.
Speaker 1: Wow. There's an undercurrent of the fact that she just
Speaker 1: like there's certain things she can't do because her family
Speaker 1: just has to be working all the time. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: has a specific experience of la being Mexican and like
Speaker 1: she's the first going to high schol Beverly Hills. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like very she's precocious, but the first you know,
Speaker 1: her family, her mom is just very limited and is
Speaker 1: like in terms of what she thinks a life should be,
Speaker 1: and she clearly has a lot of insecurity and pain
Speaker 1: herself from her own life, and she's like inflicting it
Speaker 1: on her daughter. Now, it's a really complex mother daughter
Speaker 1: relationship that I think they captured well. But it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to watch. Yeah, and then also there's an
Speaker 1: undercurrent of that and an overcurrent of her being fat
Speaker 1: is kind of how the movie talks, which is also
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she's mid sized.
Speaker 2: But this in two thousand and two, Oh Sienna, let's
Speaker 2: get into our phone notes, the segment of the podcast
Speaker 2: where we read the notes that the other person took
Speaker 2: on their phone. Oh Sienna, your first note that you've
Speaker 2: highlighted is last time I watched this, I didn't even
Speaker 2: know this was La.
Speaker 1: It was crazy to think about. I remember watching it
Speaker 1: the first time and kind of taking in. I just
Speaker 1: didn't really think about I didn't really process what city
Speaker 1: they were in. But now I just like have seen
Speaker 1: all these streets so much. It's crazy. And the AUNI
Speaker 1: you have said, Wow, I do not miss La. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is really funny the shots they're showing. I really
Speaker 1: was thinking, like, wow, this city is disgusting. That her
Speaker 1: showing her like neighborhoods and the Mexican neighborhoods and stuff
Speaker 1: that that was cool and nice and everything, but like
Speaker 1: they had shots of her driving to school mm hmm,
Speaker 1: and the shots of the skyline it is so smoggy
Speaker 1: and disgusting and hot. It's just like, this is not
Speaker 1: an appealing place to be. This is a place you just.
Speaker 2: Like cementwhere so much concrete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I I while watching it, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm happy with my life right now, and I've come
Speaker 1: to terms with La and and I get the parts
Speaker 1: that are cool about it. But even watching this, I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I have no real love for this place.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is your mother chasing you around, insulting you.
Speaker 1: I am so sorry. We'll be back in three minutes
Speaker 1: to distract you more. Okay, yeah, we got to talk
Speaker 1: about this. This is not this happens in so many movies.
Speaker 1: You said Columbia taking applications in June for fall semester.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: The last day of school, he's like, should you can
Speaker 1: you apply to college? And she's like yeah. The last
Speaker 1: day of school, he says, my CLI for Columbia.
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, what are you doing for college? She's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going. He's like, but I know the dean
Speaker 2: of Columbia you do. I mean I guess like a
Speaker 2: super rich Beverly Hills school maybe, but not in June
Speaker 2: of the same year you had to commit by May first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, girl, you're talking about Oh my god. Maybe things
Speaker 1: were different a little bit, but yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: also the kind of Later she's like, I only applied
Speaker 1: to Columbia.
Speaker 2: Like this is also where I'm like, I didn't feel
Speaker 2: when she got into Colombia. I was like, slay, But also,
Speaker 2: why what do you mean I didn't think we were
Speaker 2: seeing like, oh, prodigious behaviors from the she she kind
Speaker 2: of was just a teen, right, I mean we get
Speaker 2: that she's like smart, right, but right, we mean that
Speaker 2: must have been a hell of a personal statement. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just wasn't, like I guess because college admissions in
Speaker 2: the US are so like you have to have been
Speaker 2: an astronaut by the age of sixteen to be considered
Speaker 2: for admission, that it was like, well, but what is it?
Speaker 2: What's her thing that they're like, Oh, we have to
Speaker 2: make room for this student, right.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really even say like, but you're an amazing writer. No.
Speaker 1: I think it's no, he doesn't. She's a good student.
Speaker 1: I will say I felt. I felt, from my small viewpoint,
Speaker 1: like I was interested in what she was condemning culturally,
Speaker 1: you know, like the curses, the generational curses she's trying
Speaker 1: to break. M Also, I think it's a I don't know,
Speaker 1: I commend this film. It's a vulnerable thing from a
Speaker 1: position of like a marginalized community, to like put your
Speaker 1: culture on blast a little bit.
Speaker 2: Ah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that they did a good job
Speaker 1: of like both loving her culture and also being like mom,
Speaker 1: I need to move on and like find what works
Speaker 1: for me, mm hmmm, because you're being crazy. Also, I
Speaker 1: love we found out you slowly find out that her
Speaker 1: mom is like insane, especially like not just in that
Speaker 1: there are some things like she thinks she's pregnant, which
Speaker 1: is actually crazy but actually kind of sad that she's
Speaker 1: so very uneducated about her own body. But later when
Speaker 1: the other ladies are like, girl, calm down, like your
Speaker 1: daughter's not ugly, and she's like, why what are you saying?
Speaker 1: I'm an angry witch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she really was an angry witch.
Speaker 1: Leanna. You said, you said, maybe we could hang out.
Speaker 1: I've got to go. Every time I ask someone out
Speaker 1: he says maybe I can hang out or maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to go.
Speaker 2: Oh all right, So anything about oh forever, oh, permanently
Speaker 2: out of my life?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I just thought maybe like for an hour on another day. Note,
Speaker 2: Oh I should kill myself. Oh you're okay, we'll never
Speaker 2: speak again. That's not I don't know that it has
Speaker 2: to be one or that either.
Speaker 1: Hello or hello hello. Oh my god. Wait, we have
Speaker 1: to talk about Leoni. You said, look at this insane
Speaker 1: computer program I found on the web. Oh computer program
Speaker 1: computer which is Spanish swear words.
Speaker 2: And it's like Google Translate. He finds Google Translate.
Speaker 1: What program is that?
Speaker 2: Well, it's an early version of Google Translate. Look at
Speaker 2: this insane computer program I found.
Speaker 1: On the web. Calling it the web is so a
Speaker 1: period piece. This is such a period piece. I mean
Speaker 1: it really is.
Speaker 2: On a landline, a corded phone landline about an insane
Speaker 2: computer program you found on the web.
Speaker 1: Oh, took me back. It is such a period piece.
Speaker 1: How did you feel about their little relationship or this boy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was really skinny, very physically frail,
Speaker 2: and I was surprised that they went from four tongueless
Speaker 2: kisses to full sex. She was rearing to go, which
Speaker 2: I thought, respect she was ready. She was like I've
Speaker 2: missed something, additional things.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, never call me again. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: was pretty slag about it.
Speaker 2: I know, I thought it was I thought it was
Speaker 2: unbearable to watch at the beginning, and then it won
Speaker 2: me over because I thought their sex scene was very sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were a little bit more like cute and
Speaker 1: respectful to each other than they had to be for
Speaker 1: the time. And that that's when you go, oh, sure,
Speaker 1: this is directed by women.
Speaker 2: Directed by a woman. Yeah, that's how you know, just
Speaker 2: like I really appreciated that they were laughing together meet
Speaker 2: during their their actual sex scene. They just seemed like
Speaker 2: comfortable with each other. They seemed to like each other.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: Hats just seemed to like have things in comp like
Speaker 2: they enjoyed, Yeah, spending time together.
Speaker 1: I agree again, that's when things are directed by women.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, there's just more of that that felt like
Speaker 1: a human interaction. To me. It was like, oh, I.
Speaker 2: Think their relationship probably felt the most human of maybe
Speaker 2: that and her and her grandpa. Those two dynamics felt
Speaker 2: the most. Like, Yeah, I'm getting I've seen this on
Speaker 2: planet Earth before.
Speaker 1: The things I still think were cool and like felt revolutionary.
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like the right word, but like felt different
Speaker 1: from what you see. Is when they did strip down
Speaker 1: because they were all so sweaty, I'm like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I really love all these women of different ages and
Speaker 1: different body types. Just like non sexually giggling in their underwear. Yes, Like,
Speaker 1: that's actually a very something you do not see in
Speaker 1: any movie.
Speaker 2: No, non sexual giggling is really not allowed from women
Speaker 2: on the film.
Speaker 1: In their undies. It was just cute.
Speaker 2: So there was so sweet. I kind of I teared
Speaker 2: up a little bit at that scene. I think I
Speaker 2: would have cried if I could, you know, were I
Speaker 2: off my meds, then I would be crying.
Speaker 1: I love that. I guess the all the stuff about
Speaker 1: like the conceit of the the name of the film
Speaker 1: itself speaks to your time when you have to like
Speaker 1: I mean, it's putting other women down the name of
Speaker 1: the title, right, Like yeah, but I was thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and first of all, that's so of the time, and
Speaker 1: again like unfortunately that was a necessary part of probably
Speaker 1: what we've got. We're now proudly in the time of
Speaker 1: body neutrality, the body neutrality movement. But I think unfortunately
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, literally you had to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well not everybody's a skinny girl like that, so fuck you.
Speaker 1: Women of full body sizes are also beautiful, and so
Speaker 1: you know what real women look like me Like, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally was a necessary part of moving towards like you
Speaker 1: know it it was a negative time towards women.
Speaker 2: It feels like this movie feels like an important feature
Speaker 2: on the timeline of the body movement, Like if you
Speaker 2: were making a timeline and included like social and like
Speaker 2: socio political things that happened that moved the needle forward.
Speaker 1: This should be on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the two thousand and two mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's just also so funny. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: when she's like, oh my babes are enormous, she looks amazing.
Speaker 1: You wrote.
Speaker 2: The idea that this smoking hot babe is questioning her
Speaker 2: body in front of this little boy is highly comical.
Speaker 1: It was so comical. I know that there's everybody's complex
Speaker 1: feelings about their bodies. We still live in a society
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, but like.
Speaker 2: It was crazy to hear huge boobs be spoken about
Speaker 2: in a derogatory way. I did not remember that that
Speaker 2: was the time we had two.
Speaker 1: Thousand and two. Is insane, Like youw you have more
Speaker 1: body that looks amazing T shirts she looked, And again
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it all about looks, but
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. She was a smoking hot babe and this
Speaker 1: little scrawny boy's like, you're beautiful, You're not fat, you're beautiful.
Speaker 1: Oh there it was. There was the line.
Speaker 2: I said, everybody take a shot.
Speaker 1: He said it, you're not fat, you're beautiful.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, two things can be true. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: I I truly that was the biggest moment where I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, we have progressed because I forgot that
Speaker 2: people genuinely would say you're not fat. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: I am, but that does not cancel out the fact
Speaker 2: that I also am beautiful. Yeah, which is I mean,
Speaker 2: we're still confirmed where we haven't not everybody has.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Oh my god, that's right.
Speaker 2: What's going on in LA? Is everybody skinny over there?
Speaker 1: Yea dude, Wow, Lehana, I have to read some of
Speaker 1: your notes about her mom. You said, well, you said
Speaker 1: her mom is her sleep paralysis demon. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: She keeps like sneaking into her room and being like,
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. Wake up, I'm pregnant. You're my god,
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2: Hello, I hate you.
Speaker 1: You've said if you don't like your ugly kids, then
Speaker 1: maybe don't be ugly yourself. Again. Sadly, I think this
Speaker 1: is how people work, where they're literally like you're fat,
Speaker 1: you're ugly, and it's like stock that's how.
Speaker 2: You feel about yourself. You're just externalizing your insecurities, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you're ugly. That's not my fault.
Speaker 1: I can okay, can we get that straight. It's not
Speaker 1: my fault you're ugly. I know you want to blame me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but you're ugly and you hate yourself. I'm
Speaker 2: actually doing my own.
Speaker 1: Thing, Leanna. You also noted that her mom said you're
Speaker 1: not only fat, now you're a puta. That was crazy.
Speaker 1: Her mom is so much. She is so mean. Again.
Speaker 1: I don't use this term life, but she was a bitch,
Speaker 1: that's what a.
Speaker 2: She was really horrible. I was like it. It almost
Speaker 2: was as if the mom would have been better, the
Speaker 2: character of the mom would have been better if it
Speaker 2: was instead like an externalization of her inner monologue. Like
Speaker 2: it felt like no one. I've never seen anyone be
Speaker 2: that mean to someone else. I have seen people talk
Speaker 2: that meanly to themselves.
Speaker 1: She's relentlessly cruel, yeah, like unflaggingly. So yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the issue that I had with that character
Speaker 2: is we don't see any arc to her.
Speaker 1: It's tough. I mean, I don't know. I kind of didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. My brother just saw the musical version
Speaker 1: of this in New York and he said at the
Speaker 1: end he didn't know there's a musical. Yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 1: closing this weekend or something, but that one does have
Speaker 1: redemption for the mom, and he said it actually felt worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And maybe it's just my white ass wanting like
Speaker 2: a happy and comfortable ending or something, and my white
Speaker 2: American ass.
Speaker 1: I think having been lucky to have. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just don't want people's parents to be this horrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice to watch. Also that if I hadn't already
Speaker 1: known that this would be the ending, that's probably the
Speaker 1: main thing for me of why it wasn't so upsetting
Speaker 1: for me. But I don't like that either. I don't
Speaker 1: like when they end not it's just like that's that's terrible. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I her mom doesn't even say goodbye to her at
Speaker 1: the end. She's just too I know. But it's really like,
Speaker 1: I think part of what the movie is saying, and
Speaker 1: again it makes sense to be in play form, is
Speaker 1: like you can't wait to be understood or wait to
Speaker 1: be accepted by a certain people in your life, certain
Speaker 1: societal expectations and stuff like, you just kind of gotta.
Speaker 2: Just just just you gotta, I gotta do my life,
Speaker 2: you gotta, I gotta do my life.
Speaker 1: She's gotta do her life. Uh, Leona, your last note is, girl,
Speaker 1: you need to get uptown. Wait, you need to get
Speaker 1: uptown stacked. You are going to be late for class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's walking through Times Square.
Speaker 2: She's at the TKTS booth. I'm like, girl, you need
Speaker 2: to get to the Upper west Side. You are nowhere
Speaker 2: near your college's campus. Do you have to finish one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five dresses? Start stamen, We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: I loved her outfit at the Oh, well that I
Speaker 1: can say that for bades.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I liked her hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Let's move on to badges and trages, where we award
Speaker 2: badges for body neutrality and tradges for.
Speaker 1: Treating your daughter like shit. This was a bad mom.
Speaker 1: Sorry my gosh, yeah, mom, uh huh. She was so dramatic.
Speaker 2: I have to agree. I have a badge for corded phones.
Speaker 2: I love I love a cord. I love to twist
Speaker 2: a chord while I'm gossiping with my girlies on the phone.
Speaker 2: I do miss that about the past.
Speaker 1: I have a badge for all of her outfits. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this was supposed to be her well, no,
Speaker 1: she just wears really cute T shirts. Again, she looks
Speaker 1: amazing in T shirts, and all of her little tea's
Speaker 1: and stuff were so twenty twenty five chic. And then
Speaker 1: her last outfit when she's like walking through New York
Speaker 1: and her brown coat and her I really wasn't joying
Speaker 1: her outfits. I would have worn any of them. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have looked as good as that.
Speaker 2: I liked the one she wore to the movies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: or on her first date. I forgot. She didn't go
Speaker 2: to the movies, right, She went to meet up with
Speaker 2: a boy because she's a slot. That's a badge for
Speaker 2: a badge for On that date, she says to the boy,
Speaker 2: I made this list of things to talk about so
Speaker 2: that we wouldn't run out of things to talk about.
Speaker 2: And that is so something I would do. I on
Speaker 2: dates or things I thought were dates, have said, my
Speaker 2: greatest fear is running out of things to talk about.
Speaker 1: She's so real badge for that. This movie loved La.
Speaker 1: It's not my favorite place, but it was really it
Speaker 1: was really thrown ass for La. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: was really really showing the city and also like Mexican La.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's very true. Yeah. I liked that
Speaker 2: that that little boy that she's dating always came to
Speaker 2: her neighborhood. Yes, he was because he has a car,
Speaker 2: because they family gave him a car.
Speaker 1: He wasn't interested.
Speaker 2: Boy that he's weird confront his privilege. Neither of them
Speaker 2: seemed to Yeah a badge for Okay. That kiss was cute.
Speaker 2: Their first kiss I thought was very sweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they were cute. This was again it
Speaker 1: was a romance written by a woman and you Caneah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was chill. It was a chill romance page. For
Speaker 1: George Lopez, I'm sorry I imprinted on him at a
Speaker 1: young age, and I'm always happened to see him, even
Speaker 1: when he's playing an insane role like this and acting
Speaker 1: only okay, only a little, but I'll still be happy
Speaker 1: to see him always. It's so funny that it's like
Speaker 1: a movie with Mexican people. Okay, George, get in.
Speaker 2: There, come on, George badge four. Yes, during their sex
Speaker 2: scene when they are able to just be laughing and
Speaker 2: relaxed with one another, they were just so relaxed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were relaxed. I loved that she was a
Speaker 1: chiller badge for her. Grandpa is such a homie. I
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna die. I was convinced he was
Speaker 1: going to die because he was just so old. Well,
Speaker 1: if you're old and nice and like the anvolent, normally
Speaker 1: that means you're going to die. To move the protagonist's platforward,
Speaker 1: like in Moana, Oh my God, Yeah, but he he
Speaker 1: When she wants to hang out with a boy, she
Speaker 1: just can tell her grandpa and then he because he
Speaker 1: trusts her and he respects her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's he's still I couldn't believe he was
Speaker 2: talking about a treasure in the Sierra Madre. I can't
Speaker 2: prospector vibes. Then my final badge is a badge for it.
Speaker 2: This movie is I think revolutionary in its way because
Speaker 2: that scene where they're all just like hanging out in
Speaker 2: their bra and underwear because it's so hot and they
Speaker 2: have to get the work done. I was like, even today, no,
Speaker 2: you don't see that, this would still be groundbreaking.
Speaker 1: It would just like women of different ages and body
Speaker 1: types and they're all poc like.
Speaker 2: Also, just like the concept of people being comfortable in their.
Speaker 1: Body and they're comfortable at work and comfortable in their honests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: badge for her mom. She is insane. She's not a
Speaker 1: good mother. But I think that this woman is a
Speaker 1: comedy genius and I would love to see her in
Speaker 1: more comedic roles because I have a badge for her
Speaker 1: mom's blank look. In response to honest saying that women
Speaker 1: have thoughts, she like goes over when they had talked
Speaker 1: about like, oh, she had sex before the wedding and
Speaker 1: then he just left her at the altar because she
Speaker 1: had sex. And then she's like, mom, I think that
Speaker 1: it's fine and women should be able to like do
Speaker 1: what they want. And her mom is like eating this pastry,
Speaker 1: just staring at her, like what the what and her face,
Speaker 1: her blank stare is so funny. Yeah, this woman is
Speaker 1: a great actress. It's too bad, yes play Apparently she
Speaker 1: also is the one who kills Selena in the Selena movie.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so.
Speaker 1: She's always playing a Mexican villain. Hell yeah, villainy badge
Speaker 1: for the line manches me. Do you remember this? The
Speaker 1: it means I love gossip.
Speaker 2: My love is gossip. Okay, Okay, I knew that.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't confident. The old woman. There's one old
Speaker 1: woman who works at the who works Maybe it's the
Speaker 1: mom but she's so they did you watch the end
Speaker 1: credit scenes. Yeah, she's the old woman in it. Who's
Speaker 1: the one who's singing opera. Yes, yes, she's the oldest woman.
Speaker 1: But they're talking about like gossip and whatever, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I love gossip. It's so funny. Yeah. And then uh,
Speaker 1: final badge for just I love Anna. This movie is
Speaker 1: it's it's two thousand and two. But she just like
Speaker 1: she just is cool. She's a cool girl. And badge
Speaker 1: for there's just certain commentary that I really appreciate and enjoyed.
Speaker 1: And yes, and they're sweet things that are just like
Speaker 1: like when her mom when she hurt her hand and
Speaker 1: she goes Sna, Sanna, Sanna, Sana. That's yeah, was the
Speaker 1: thing in my household growing up. Oh oh that's really cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love hearing that. That's always so interesting to hear
Speaker 2: from people who it's like, oh, yeah, I did see
Speaker 2: my experience reflected in this.
Speaker 1: Cool It's very cool. Trag is trag.
Speaker 2: Trag is trage for the last day of school is
Speaker 2: way too late to be checking in about college applications
Speaker 2: to be done a year ago.
Speaker 1: The college thing. I don't think that people who write
Speaker 1: movies know anything about college, which is crazy because I
Speaker 1: know that, especially these days, most of them know it.
Speaker 1: But like it's like once they're sitting down to do it,
Speaker 1: they forget everything. Yeah, it's like, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: apply at some point. But you know, in their defense,
Speaker 1: if I were trying to remember everything I did right now,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know when I took the
Speaker 1: essay ts, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder why I take such umbrage with getting
Speaker 2: the details of the college application piece.
Speaker 1: That's frustrating.
Speaker 2: I think it's irresponsible.
Speaker 1: It is irresponsible. It feels like a Hollywood throwaway sort
Speaker 1: of thing. Also true when I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: I also don't like I just I never like the
Speaker 2: idea of like, yep, I spent two minutes on the
Speaker 2: application and I got into the only place I applied to.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you spent eighteen years like becoming a person,
Speaker 2: right right, right, and then had a breakdown every Monday
Speaker 2: working on your application essays.
Speaker 1: Oh not everybody did that, Okay. In movies, they're almost
Speaker 1: always going to an elite school, and I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: two girls who.
Speaker 2: I want to be I need to be an elitist
Speaker 2: about it, I think, is what's happening. I'm like, not
Speaker 2: everybody gets into these as somebody whose dad and brother
Speaker 2: went and that's why I got to Ye, but I.
Speaker 1: Did not have any fun in high school. But yeah,
Speaker 1: can I tell you something. But it was because I
Speaker 1: was doing work and not because I was working at
Speaker 1: the dress factory.
Speaker 2: I was I was working doing very privileged extracurriculars. I
Speaker 2: was doing incredibly expensive extracurriculars. That's what I was doing exactly.
Speaker 1: Uh, trage for trage for the title and the toxicity even, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ways that it's fighting against toxicity that I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like any period piece where it's like it's fighting
Speaker 1: against something toxic in a way that with the itself time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the tools of itself also have some toxicity within them,
Speaker 1: so all of the fat phobia stuff. Also, she's like
Speaker 1: a teenage girl, so some of it she's like insecure
Speaker 1: and like asking this boy to make her feel better
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I mean, which is like what it's
Speaker 1: teenagers are like. But yeah, anyway, Yeah, there's definitely you
Speaker 1: can feel the two thousand and two I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: trage about this and the title itself, I think is
Speaker 1: very antiquated, because that's not really yes, talk about.
Speaker 2: It, but I don't. Also, the concept of real women
Speaker 2: is so tied in with transphobia now that it's like, well,
Speaker 2: let's maybe avoid that phrase entirely. Yeah, very related. I
Speaker 2: have a trage for you're not fat, You're beautiful.
Speaker 1: Crazy crazy.
Speaker 2: That felt crazy to hear.
Speaker 1: I think what I appreciated about this movie was it
Speaker 1: feels truly very nuanced in terms of the Mexican American Yeah,
Speaker 1: aspects except for George Lopez. Okay, but like that's a
Speaker 1: part where I think it wasn't you know, versus for example,
Speaker 1: flame and hot being like family is everything, the perfect family,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And on top of that, it just
Speaker 1: like was a more it was just her experience. Like
Speaker 1: it wasn't beyond just showing that this family can be
Speaker 1: toxic blah blah blah, not just that, but just like
Speaker 1: it was just an honest representation of her experience, but
Speaker 1: versus trying to like prove something to audiences. But one
Speaker 1: place that I think it continues to be a bit toxic. Hm,
Speaker 1: all the boys are good and all the bad characters
Speaker 1: are girls. Oh my god, that is like exactly what
Speaker 1: machismo is is. It's like or exactly this, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: but the boys are so sweet and they're doing their
Speaker 1: work and they don't think very hard, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day they're there for you. And girls
Speaker 1: are temptresses and they can be really mean. Holy shit,
Speaker 1: you're so right. The whole movie. I was like, you're joking,
Speaker 1: Like the one who helps her is her male teacher,
Speaker 1: the one, and it's very sweet, and it's like it's sweet.
Speaker 1: It's like the grandpa effect of being like that's so nice,
Speaker 1: so cute that he's for me, and like it means
Speaker 1: so much that, like this man who could be so
Speaker 1: stoic and could not pay attention to me at all,
Speaker 1: he's being so sweet. And then like whoa, it's all
Speaker 1: the girls who she works with who are like mean
Speaker 1: and they're tearing each other down. And yeah, anyway, I
Speaker 1: think it's both a commentary on that and also I
Speaker 1: was like it runs deep. Mm hmm, it runs deep.
Speaker 1: So that was a big trage for me.
Speaker 2: Wo, man, that's such a great that's such a great
Speaker 2: point a trage for Yeah, I find stories about someone
Speaker 2: whose whole family hates them really really tiring. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: it'd be nice if people, if people liked each other
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That there wasn't even like fun banter. There wasn't like
Speaker 2: sibling banter at all. It was just like I hate
Speaker 2: you and you're a burden.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: My next trage is for her mom hates her. She
Speaker 1: hates tragic. She really is so tragic. She really it
Speaker 1: feels like she's bringing all of her anger towards herself
Speaker 1: and stuff just at this daughter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a trage for Okay, I'm sorry, but was the
Speaker 2: actor playing Estella so bad?
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about that, but yeah, probably.
Speaker 2: I found her unbearable to watch. She really was saying
Speaker 2: lines out loud very much, and really related to that.
Speaker 2: My last trage is a trage for all of the
Speaker 2: exposition in the film is communicated via dialogue.
Speaker 1: I love when the guy when the her crush or
Speaker 1: when they're hanging out and he goes, oh god, it
Speaker 1: sucks that I'm going next in two weeks to teach
Speaker 1: your school. Ohe in two weeks. That sucks. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: When Stella is like, now, remember we have to get
Speaker 2: these one hundred and eighty five dresses done in time,
Speaker 2: otherwise they won't pay us, and then we can't pay
Speaker 2: for the bills.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait no, And my final trage
Speaker 1: is wait, does Anna never wear the dress that Estella
Speaker 1: makes for her? Oh my god, she doesn't. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Wait my god, what a waste. Literally this is so
Speaker 1: two thousand and two that they go the very end
Speaker 1: of the movie, she goes, I made you this dress.
Speaker 1: Anna goes, that dress won't fit me, and Estella goes,
Speaker 1: she unveils the concept that they didn't have in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, which is that they can have dresses
Speaker 1: of different sizes for different body ties, and she says,
Speaker 1: I've made it for your exact proportions, and honest, like what,
Speaker 1: that's not possible. There's no such thing as that. She goes,
Speaker 1: I did, and then she never wears it. We never
Speaker 1: get to see her in the pretty dress moment, which
Speaker 1: she talked about, Like, because she talked about wanting to
Speaker 1: have a pretty dress moment, did they cut.
Speaker 2: That out to start? They needed to start in this
Speaker 2: movie in January of her senior year, because then there's
Speaker 2: at least a chance that it makes sense that she's
Speaker 2: applying for colleges. Wait then, she can go to prom
Speaker 2: and wear the gorgeous dress that her sister made for her,
Speaker 2: and then end.
Speaker 1: Up in New York. I don't know why they did that.
Speaker 2: They could have sex on prom night. That's what a
Speaker 2: lot of people do, like, there's so many different Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, I don't know why they did that. I can't
Speaker 1: believe we didn't see her in the dress. That's a
Speaker 1: crazy anyway. God, Leanna on to our next segment, which is,
Speaker 1: of course, how to pretend you've seen this film? This
Speaker 1: is you are? You are on the bus in Los Angeles. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. And Jimmy comes up to
Speaker 1: you and he says, you're not fat. It's the bus.
Speaker 1: You say, what, what are you? You're not fat? Huh,
Speaker 1: We're on the bus. I'm sorry, I don't even understand.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I don't want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you want to talk about. He says, Oh, La, La, La,
Speaker 1: I love any movie that's a love letter about La. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to La. That's the whole reason I watched this movie.
Speaker 1: And there's a whole lot of stuff about girls, and
Speaker 1: I just think that chick is beautiful, not fat. You go,
Speaker 1: Oh God, no, no, no, no no, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: And uh, there's this movie called Real Women Have Curves.
Speaker 1: You probably like it because it's about like women's rights
Speaker 1: and stuff, and like it seems like you might like
Speaker 1: that because you're a woman.
Speaker 2: You go, oh, okay, And in order to stop the
Speaker 2: bus and boot Jimmy off of it, we're gonna give
Speaker 2: you a few sentences you can say to pretend you've
Speaker 2: seen the film Real Women have Curves. Yes, Jimmy, I've
Speaker 2: seen real women have curves.
Speaker 1: You know what I wonder?
Speaker 2: And I don't want you to answer this because I
Speaker 2: don't care about your opinion on it. Is if Greta
Speaker 2: Gerwig was very influenced by this movie when making both
Speaker 2: Ladybird and Little Women, because there are moments and real
Speaker 2: women have curves that are so later seen in Little
Speaker 2: Women and in Ladybird. In Little Women it's Sir Charon
Speaker 2: and speech about like women have thoughts and minds and souls,
Speaker 2: which America says. In this movie, Anna has like a
Speaker 2: little monologue that's very similar. And then the other thing
Speaker 2: is a really tense mother daughter relationship in Ladybird, and
Speaker 2: then like her going off to college in New York
Speaker 2: at the end, and the way that the mother and
Speaker 2: the daughter say goodbye to each other is very, yes,
Speaker 2: formative to their the rest of their relationship. For the film, Okay,
Speaker 2: two things on that, first of all, amazing observation, and
Speaker 2: two things on that my roommate while we were watching
Speaker 2: it said, this is like Ladybird, This is like Latina Ladybird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, oh my god, you're right. And she
Speaker 1: would go on to be in a very famous Gretiger
Speaker 1: Wig movie Barbie Oh oh Ye, where she also gives
Speaker 1: a speech that will someday probably feel quaint. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: someday was two years ago when the movie came out. Yes, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: I have seen the film. Real Woman Have Curves. A
Speaker 1: very sad piece of trivia for Leonna and I to
Speaker 1: chew on is the producers put out a cast and
Speaker 1: call for girls who were fat or overweight, and had
Speaker 1: thousands of girls show up who were clearly not fat
Speaker 1: or overweight, but all thought that they were. Ah, that
Speaker 1: is such a fraught thing to say. Oh, that is
Speaker 1: a very very fraught piece of trivia. That's fraught, guys.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two. Two thousand and two frought about
Speaker 1: that thank you God for letting me be a teenager.
Speaker 1: Not in two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jimmy, I've seen real women have curves. Something you'd
Speaker 2: resonate with is the incredibly white statement that Jimmy in
Speaker 2: the film gives talking to America about her summer plans
Speaker 2: when he says Europe is so cool. That is something
Speaker 2: white people say, that kid was so white fun. That's
Speaker 2: something white teens who've been to Europe with their rich
Speaker 2: families say.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jimmy, I have seen the film Real Women Have Curves.
Speaker 1: This movie got a bunch of awards in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. Okay, so awesome. It got it one. I'm
Speaker 1: counting just on Wikipedia one, two, three, four, five, six
Speaker 1: seven it won seven, was nominated for three at least
Speaker 1: on uh Wikipedia here. Real Women Have Curves has received
Speaker 1: or it was received with critical acclaim for its point
Speaker 1: in commentary on challenges face facing Latina women, especially at
Speaker 1: the time, and it made put America forr on the
Speaker 1: on the map for being an awesome lady who is
Speaker 1: often in movies about body image slang.
Speaker 2: She rules, Yes, Jimmy, I've seen real women have curves.
Speaker 2: There's an interesting dichotomy in it of a like like
Speaker 2: its title, there's a moment of cognitive dissonance in the
Speaker 2: movie where somebody punches down again when Anna and Estella
Speaker 2: are arguing about when Anna calls what the women making
Speaker 2: the dresses in the factory do cheap labor and Stellas like,
Speaker 2: this is not cheap labor. We work hard here. You
Speaker 2: were out flipping burgers And I was like, okay, so
Speaker 2: we're still we're still really hit hits people. Nobody can
Speaker 2: not catch astray.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, in the world of this film, we're taking
Speaker 1: everyone down, taking them all down with me. M It
Speaker 1: just makes you grateful that at least this movie is
Speaker 1: trying to talk about things that should be better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unlike the many, many movies from the same time that
Speaker 1: everyone catches astray and it's just making jokes and stuff.
Speaker 2: Hmm, true, very true.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jimmy, I have seen the film. Real Women Have Curves.
Speaker 1: This was America Ferrera's debut bless Up, and was the
Speaker 1: was selected for preservation in the National Film Registry by
Speaker 1: the Library of Congress, who deemed it culturally, historically, and
Speaker 1: esthetically significant in twenty nineteen, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, Leanna, oh my gosh, let's move on. We
Speaker 2: must move on to our next segment, should you watch
Speaker 2: this or in which we tell you if we think
Speaker 2: you should watch this movie or if you should do
Speaker 2: something else with your summer wetty body. Oh yeah, summer Seanna,
Speaker 2: What would you say?
Speaker 1: I like this movie. I think it's worth watching if
Speaker 1: you want to, if you're looking for like critically acclaimed whatnot.
Speaker 1: It is a period piece, but I personally am a fan.
Speaker 1: A lot of it though for me is I enjoy
Speaker 1: movies about Mexican American culture. Some of it is just
Speaker 1: what was in my household, and it's interesting seeing what
Speaker 1: I can see in my family and he and also
Speaker 1: I like seeing La from different perspectives that aren't just
Speaker 1: like Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, god, that's so true.
Speaker 1: So I think this movie is a good one to
Speaker 1: watch at least once. If you don't want to watch
Speaker 1: that right now, you could watch America Fara in Barbie,
Speaker 1: you could watch her in Superstore. You could watch a
Speaker 1: Shrill which is a show that I love oh so much.
Speaker 1: That's sort of a more modern take on body image culture. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like being a fat person in America in close
Speaker 2: to modern day it's.
Speaker 1: Much different than how it's regarded in this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do personally enjoy it, but you you should
Speaker 1: go in understanding to take it with a two thousand
Speaker 1: and two grain of salt for sure, and then it
Speaker 1: can be kind of seen as what it is. Leanna,
Speaker 1: what about yourself? And it's okay if the white hook,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: I did feel I was maybe on the white hook
Speaker 2: for this one.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate what this movie did. At the time
Speaker 2: that it came out, I didn't love it, and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily recommend watching it because it's still got a
Speaker 2: lot of harmful messaging in it that's not like helpful today.
Speaker 1: I think, if.
Speaker 2: Now here's what I wish I had, I wish I
Speaker 2: had a recommendation for something that still speaks to like
Speaker 2: the Latina experience specifically in America. Instead, what I have
Speaker 2: are two podcasts that are both by fat comedians who
Speaker 2: at various points during the podcast talk about their experience
Speaker 2: like having the body that they have in America. But
Speaker 2: it's also not all about that.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 2: It just comes up every now and again. One of
Speaker 2: them is Nicole Bayer's podca why Won't you date me, Yes,
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And then the other one is Caleb
Speaker 2: Harn's podcast So true. I think again it's it's not
Speaker 2: the defining thing about their podcasts by any means. It's
Speaker 2: just it's something. It's a part of their identity that's
Speaker 2: informed their experience and their perspective on the world, which
Speaker 2: I think is always interesting to hear. See. I know,
Speaker 2: what would you rate the film Real Women Have Curves?
Speaker 1: I would rate Real Real Women Have Curves. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just such a it's very it's complex. Yeah, I will
Speaker 1: give it four Heinous Mothers out of five. I really
Speaker 1: enjoy what it makes me chew on. But I think
Speaker 1: it's easy for me to accept this movie and its fault.
Speaker 1: Even the title itself. I was thinking, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's not like, Okay, women who don't have curves aren't
Speaker 1: real and there are people who aren't real. It's like,
Speaker 1: we are all real women and before that reason, we
Speaker 1: all have curves. Whatever that means to you. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really melancholy and there's definitely some really toxic stuff
Speaker 1: at it, and I understand the take of like it's
Speaker 1: kind of feels bad. It is kind of feels bad
Speaker 1: at the end, I was like, Oh, I forgot that
Speaker 1: nobody is nice in this movie anyway. Yeah, again, I
Speaker 1: give you. I give you the white right to rate
Speaker 1: this however you'd like.
Speaker 2: I will rate the film Real Women Have Curves three
Speaker 2: sweaty Bras out of five. Really appreciate what it did
Speaker 2: at the time it came out during really genuinely appreciated
Speaker 2: the like the sex scene that she had with the
Speaker 2: boy she was seeing, and that it just all felt
Speaker 2: like super comfortable.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I just struggled with the dialogue in this movie. Oh
Speaker 2: it was painful, really really painful. I just don't think
Speaker 2: it was good. I said, what was happening? Yeah, they
Speaker 2: said what was to happen? I think that was my
Speaker 2: really big issue with it, and just the relationships didn't
Speaker 2: feel I couldn't get my bearings in a lot of
Speaker 2: the relationship dynamics. There just wasn't quite anything for me
Speaker 2: to connect to in a lot of the the ways
Speaker 2: that they were treating each other.
Speaker 1: They were heinous. Yeah, there was some real heinosity going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also really appreciated that America, for I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, like her character on is like I
Speaker 2: just happened to like myself, like it's just not that deep,
Speaker 2: Like body stuff doesn't have to be all consuming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Not all of who I am. She thought that was
Speaker 2: that was very very progressive for the time. Literally, she
Speaker 2: had no that's like so much closer to how we
Speaker 2: now are talking about bodies. She modern day.
Speaker 1: It's true she had no reason to love herself based
Speaker 1: on how people talk to her. It was all and
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, screw this. Yeah, well, Leanna, thank you
Speaker 1: for watching this movie with me.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you.
Speaker 1: We have now rot.
Speaker 2: Gracias.
Speaker 1: Thank you so cool. Your is so cool. Europe is
Speaker 1: so cool. We have watched the movie Real women have curves.
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Speaker 1: really think that this movie is very nuanced about it
Speaker 1: talk about like its cultural uh the It's just very
Speaker 1: honest and about the Okay, let me start this again.
Speaker 1: I thought of too many things at once. Yes,