1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Live Wire is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Modulator Media. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: Previously on live Wire, The Loud Life and Shocking Murder 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: of Alan Burke. 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: They just don't understand Alan, you know, and they might 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: hate him. It's kind of like but it's a show. 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: And we always told people, remember it's entertainment. It's not 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: it's not realistic and realism and a real program. It's 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: just entertainment. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: He was so brave, he just would not back down. 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: But it was so easy for him to go out 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 3: him because they're just idiots. They were just insane. I 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 3: was always next. That's one word that I always remember 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 3: about Allen was next. Someone's always going to dislike me, 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: someone's always going to hate me. I always seemed not 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: necessarily Allen, but he he wasn't going to change because 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: of it, couldn't. And in the end a bunch of 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: crazy people took his life for him. And it makes 18 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 3: me so angry that he got himself killed because he 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,919 Speaker 3: had a big mouth. 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 4: How did they know him on the red? 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 5: They knew him from the radio. 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 6: I feel your presence listening to Koa, to feel the 23 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 6: result of your handy work. You're a loser man, if 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 6: Alan Berg was anything before you blew him away. He 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 6: was nothing, and you made him immortal. 26 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 7: It's ten fifty nine at Kowa News Talk eighty five. 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 7: I'm Rick barber koa morning talk show host. Alan Berg 28 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 7: reportedly was shot and killed tonight in downtown Denver. Details 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 7: of that shooting, which happened around ten tonight or sketchy, However, 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 7: Denver please have identified the victim as Alan Berg. 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: As news of this unthinkable crime began to trickle in, 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: Allan's friends and colleagues were in disbelief. Even if they'd 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: previously expressed their concerns about the danger that some of 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: Allenberg's more radical guests might pose, Grappling with the reality 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: of what had happened still proved difficult. 36 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 6: There gonna be with us in the morning. 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 8: I guess that's I wish this were a misguided broadcast 38 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 8: of Austin Wells. 39 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 6: War of the Worlds, because then it would be a 40 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 6: big hoax. And at five, whatever time the sun is 41 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 6: doing to come up tomorrow morning, this is the shadows 42 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 6: pulled back and the buildings downtown begin to reflect back 43 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 6: that golden light. We'd be all able to say. 44 00:02:53,120 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 8: April fool, but it's not even April. It's tonight. 45 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 9: I'm very, very very angry. 46 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 6: It's a violent world, violent people, thick people. I guess 47 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 6: I'm babbling. If I'm sitting here and babbling, I don't know. 48 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 6: We'll get you some first hand information as it comes up, 49 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 6: and those of you that have your TV sets, I'm 50 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 6: sure you'll get additional information from that. 51 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Here's Allan's friend and co worker, Don Hartenoff. 52 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: You know, the fact that someone could do that to 53 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: another human being is grecious enough, but it was just 54 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: he was a good friend, good friend, not that, not 55 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: only that, and he made me a lot of money, 56 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: so it was, you know, you had best of all 57 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: of it. And it was sad. It was sad to 58 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: hear to see that that occur, That's for sure. It 59 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: was definitely not not something that was easy to just 60 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: go wow, okay, move on, hard to move. 61 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 8: On from that. 62 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 10: In the in the normal course of an investigation such 63 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 10: as this surrounding a person who routinely got death threats, 64 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 10: it'll be a procedure now to go into those records, 65 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 10: especially of the most recent threats on Alan's life, perhaps 66 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 10: to follow up on possible leads. 67 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 11: That that is true. 68 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 12: Mark It there could be a clue to to who 69 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 12: the murderer is in the recent threats and the records 70 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 12: that we have at the station and the police might have, 71 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 12: but then again they there may not be. Alan was 72 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 12: constantly joking about the threats that were made on his life. 73 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 12: I don't really know how seriously he took them. Maybe 74 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 12: he did, but he never had peared on. 75 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 2: The surface someone could actually be assassinated just for being 76 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: on the radio. So yeah, it was pretty pretty bizarre 77 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: from our standpoint working there, you know, But as Alan 78 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: would have said, the show must go on, right we 79 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: had to still sell advertising. 80 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 7: What is sketchy so far, evidently police report that beside 81 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 7: the body tonight they found ten spent rounds of forty 82 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 7: five caliber ammunition lying on the sidewalk next to the body. 83 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 7: It is speculated that that may possibly indicate the use 84 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 7: of an automatic weapon. That's against speculation, however, that seems 85 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 7: to be some of the talk right now again because 86 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 7: of the found spent forty five caliber ammunition. Ten rounds 87 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 7: were found on the sidewalk. We got this report at 88 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 7: about ten o'clock tonight, and so far the details are sketchy. However, 89 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 7: it happened at the fourteen hundred block of Adams Street 90 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 7: in East Capitol Hill here in downtown Denver. 91 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 11: I I've been here about fifteen or twenty minutes. Police 92 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 11: are still pretty tight mouthed about the situation. They are 93 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 11: busy canvassing the neighborhood right now trying to find witnesses 94 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 11: to what happened here about an hour ago. They have 95 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 11: also called for a Chinese interpreter. They aren't saying for 96 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 11: what reason, whether it's to talk to a witness or 97 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 11: who knows what they haven't told us. They will be 98 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 11: telling us a little while. Bill Buckley, who's an assistant 99 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 11: District Attorney Deputy District Attorney for City and County of Denver, 100 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 11: is also at the scene, as is the corner. It 101 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 11: looks as it looked as if Allan had just stepped 102 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 11: out of his car right in front of his apartment. 103 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 11: He was driving his little Volkswagen today when we saw him, 104 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 11: and that was the car that where his body is 105 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 11: near and witnesses purportedly have told police. The only witnesses 106 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 11: that we've heard of told police that they had heard 107 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 11: a tire's scream about the time the shots were fired. 108 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 11: There were a number of shots in rapid succession. Police 109 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 11: did find about between eight and eleven shell casings lying 110 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 11: on the ground near Alan's car, which would indicate that 111 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 11: it was some sort of an automatic weapon, although police 112 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 11: haven't said exactly what it was. 113 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: News didn't travel as fast in nineteen eighty four as 114 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: it does today, and so some of Allen's colleagues didn't 115 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: hear about his death until the next morning. 116 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 13: Stepped out of my car to buy the Rocky Mountain 117 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 13: News on the morning after Allen was killed, and having 118 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 13: not received were not gotten a phone call, but put 119 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 13: my quarters in the slot, opened up the vending machine, 120 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 13: and there was there was my friend on the front 121 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 13: page of the newspaper. 122 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: And I believe it was Alan Berg killed. 123 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 1: That's Lori Cantillo, she was a producer at KOA. 124 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 13: Just was like a gut punch, that's what I remember, 125 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 13: and feeling like, oh my god, why didn't anyone tell me. 126 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 10: So? 127 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 13: And then again the beehive of activity, the flurry of 128 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 13: people just scrambling in the KOA newsroom that morning, with 129 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 13: phones ringing and TV cameras everywhere, and just trying to 130 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 13: do the work, get the news out there. 131 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 4: Talk about what we knew, interview the. 132 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 13: Police, and yet it was all about this person that 133 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 13: we knew and loved. 134 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it was because they had a job to do. 135 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: Maybe it was because they just didn't nowhere else to go, 136 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: Almost as if drawn to a beacon. During this moment 137 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: of total darkness, Alan's friends from Koa began to descend 138 00:08:58,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: on the station. 139 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 14: I was driving in my car and this came on 140 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 14: the radio. 141 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 15: Then I went directly downtown to fourteen. We were at 142 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 15: fourteen thirty Lawrence Street at that time, and I knew 143 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 15: I I just my car went there. We all went there, 144 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 15: and then when I went up there, we were all there. 145 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 15: I remember we were all gathered, yeah, just to be 146 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 15: with each other. 147 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: This is another one of Allen's colleagues, Tom Martine. 148 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 14: I mean, it was so shocking, and I immediately, I 149 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 14: immediately knew that it was some asshole who believed him. 150 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 14: That was the heartbreaking thing is that I thought you 151 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 14: killed someone for no reason. He wasn't advancing anything at all. 152 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 14: It was somber. Oh my god, it was terrible, terrible. 153 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 15: I mean it was all a blurb, but I remember, 154 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 15: I remember Lee Larson, I remember the people there. 155 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 16: The first question that came to everybody's mind was was 156 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 16: what happened? Why did Alan get murdered? There was a 157 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 16: lot of you know, wondering about was it something to 158 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 16: do with his personal life. Was it something to do 159 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 16: with his past life when he was an attorney in 160 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 16: Chicago and had some interactions with some of the mafia supposedly, 161 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 16: or some organized gangsters of one sort or another. Or 162 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 16: did it have something to do with the radio station 163 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 16: and his show and all of that. 164 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Amidst all this pain and grieving and fear, it was 165 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: up to Larson to lead the charge through all of this, 166 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: a pretty tall task for a man who had held 167 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: the top job at Kawa for only a few weeks. 168 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: Considering the horrific details of allen Berg's murder, Larson knew 169 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: what he needed to do first. 170 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 16: So everybody was very concerned and very uptight. So some 171 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 16: of the first things we did, as far as the 172 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 16: management was concerned, was we hired security and provided security 173 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 16: for our building and for our studios. We also had 174 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 16: our talk hosts driven to and from home or followed 175 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 16: to and from home by security, mostly off duty police officers, 176 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 16: just in case it had anything to do with the 177 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 16: radio station. As the months went by, there was nothing 178 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 16: to indicate that it had anything to do with the 179 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 16: radio station, but frankly, we didn't know what it was about. 180 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: You had a TV station and a radio station the 181 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: same building, so it was they definitely started implementing more security. 182 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 8: At the time. 183 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: Well we you know, they knew us, They knew us 184 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: all and I want to say, we would either come 185 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 2: in from the parking lot up the back way, and 186 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 2: you know, we all ended up having key card access, 187 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: you know, scanning the door lock thing. 188 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 13: It was a devastating and a challenging situation for all 189 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 13: of us. There were private security guards that had been 190 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 13: hired in the lobby because we didn't know if this 191 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 13: was wider than Alan or if there were other people 192 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 13: at the radio station being targeted. I only remember the 193 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,359 Speaker 13: guards in the lobby because that was very unusual. 194 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 4: We were a very you know, friendly operation. 195 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 13: Anybody could walk in and you know, win a prize 196 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 13: or ask for a tour, and there wasn't a whole 197 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 13: lot of security like broadcast operations have today. 198 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: I'm filmmaker and journalist tal Ponchewski, and this is episode 199 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: six Morning a Friend investigating a murder. The extra security 200 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: wasn't the only resources provided to Allenberg's shocked colleagues, and 201 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: a move considered rather forward thinking for the time on 202 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: counseling was provided to KOA staff. 203 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 4: I went to the group meetings. 204 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 13: Sure, I think all of us were interested, and of 205 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 13: course we were feeling stress and sadness and guilt, a 206 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 13: multitude of feelings. You know, Alan's death was traumatic for 207 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 13: all of us. I think it was when Alan was 208 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 13: killed that doctor Andrea van Steinhaus had sort of a 209 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 13: meeting with us talking about PTSD and so forth and ways. 210 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 4: To cope with it. 211 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 13: When I was at Kiowa, we just had a series 212 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 13: of deaths that followed. 213 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 4: There was the death of Bob Martin, the sportscaster. He 214 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: had I believe, a bone marrow cancer. 215 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 13: And we had a board op, a guy named Sheldon 216 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 13: who commited suicide. There was a program director named Bruce 217 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 13: Kaman who died after a few years of prostate cancer. 218 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 4: So it just seemed that there were so many untimely deaths. 219 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 13: And I do recall at one point, Oh, we had 220 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 13: a board operator another or an engineer who didn't show 221 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 13: up for work and they checked at his home and 222 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 13: he had died of a heart attack, so Andrew Winsteinhause 223 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 13: would hold sort of these counseling meetings and sessions with 224 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 13: people to help cope with the stress of it. 225 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: That resource was bolstered by the countless listeners who called 226 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: into the station to offer their memories of Allan as 227 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: well as their condolences to his friends. 228 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 5: So ye for your grief. I find it so hard 229 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 5: to believe that that he's really gone. I used to 230 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 5: live by I got to know him a little bit. 231 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 5: Dis hard to believe. I just it just really hit 232 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 5: me heart when I heard about it, and I just 233 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 5: wanted to let you know it. I feel for you. 234 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 5: I kind of feel a little bit. What's your feeling. 235 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 8: Thank you, Thank you. 236 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 10: Your friends. 237 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 17: This very sad day in our community's life. 238 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 10: It's truly a sadness for each of us. 239 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 17: As we come to this place, pay this last and 240 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 17: lasting tribute of love and respect to Allen burd This 241 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 17: is a community law. Some will say that a community 242 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 17: is made up of sights, and so that Denver really 243 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 17: is a city that is at the base of the 244 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 17: Rocky Mountains. But what makes a city are its people, 245 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 17: and what made Denver and makes Denver a great city 246 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 17: are the very wide variety of human experiences which make 247 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 17: up the peoplehood of the city of Denver. Allen was 248 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 17: a part of that peoplehood, an important part of our city, 249 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 17: an honest part of our city, a controversial part of 250 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 17: our city. 251 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: With Berg's killers still at large and with no leads 252 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: to speak of, Berg's funeral in Denver was subjected to 253 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: heavy security, but that didn't keep several mourners from coming 254 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: out to pay their respects. Between the massive media attention 255 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: and the shocking details of the murder, Denver police had 256 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: their work cut out for them. Here's burg biographer Steve 257 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: Singular again. 258 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 18: Berg was gunned down about nine point thirty on June eighteenth, 259 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 18: which was three days before summer started. Nice night, in 260 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 18: other words, a lot of people out half a block 261 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 18: from the busiest thoroughfare in Denver, Colorado. Nobody saw anything, 262 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 18: but a few people heard what they thought were firecrackers 263 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 18: or someone said the rattling of a chain. So the 264 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 18: police launched essentially what was one of the largest, if 265 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 18: not the largest investigation into a murder in Denver and 266 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 18: in Denver's history, and they did all the things that 267 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 18: police do in those circumstances case, the neighborhood question people. 268 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 19: Lieutenant of Police David Machard. Machhard is with the Crime 269 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 19: against Persons Bureau of the Denver Police Department. Lieutenant, thank 270 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 19: you for your patience and welcome to chaos, sir, h 271 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 19: Very good, Very good. I understand your your time is limited, 272 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 19: and I appreciate your being here withson. We'll try not 273 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 19: to keep you any longer than possible. 274 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 9: I'm just told we have two additional homicide offenses working 275 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 9: right now that you're just been reported here within the 276 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 9: last hour, two separate location. That's what's happened. 277 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 19: Yeah, all right, Lieutenant Machard. Where does the allen Berg 278 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 19: case stand at this point? Reference investigation progress. 279 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 10: That sort of thing. 280 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 9: Well, I think that we've made a lot of progress, 281 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 9: but I don't think progress has been the kind that 282 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 9: we were hopeful that we would get. Progress has eliminated 283 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 9: a lot of things for us. We think it hasn't 284 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 9: led us on any course that it looks promising at 285 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 9: this time, But isn't that? 286 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 8: Is that? 287 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 19: Am I hearing the natural optimism that a professional investigator 288 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 19: of homicide crimes and a professional police department wants to 289 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 19: maintain or am I are you really feeling good about 290 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 19: in the progress that you are making what little it 291 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 19: may or. 292 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 11: May not be well. 293 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 9: I think that there's that's a twofold question. I think 294 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 9: that we feel like we have eliminated many things, but again, 295 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 9: we don't have the good hot leads right now. Where 296 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 9: we have got it a group of detectives working on it. 297 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 9: That's where we We have just worked this investigation anything 298 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 9: that really looks good to us as hard as we 299 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 9: can up to this point, and we have just reached 300 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 9: the point. It's probably very frustrating all of us that 301 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 9: we don't have a good lead right now. 302 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: You know, they were interviewing primarily management. Nobody specifically talked 303 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: to me at the time. I think they were just 304 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: researching what went on and how they stalked him and 305 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: how did they know, how'd they follow him, and how 306 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: they know where he lived and all the rest of that, 307 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: because he was a very he was an accessible human being, 308 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: that's for sure, obviously too accessible. 309 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 13: Oh yes, there were many who said, how in the 310 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 13: world can you possibly know who killed Alan Berg? Because 311 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 13: he had made so many enemies by being such a 312 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 13: controversial host, and many of us speculated that they would 313 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 13: never find the killers for that reason, that the list 314 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 13: of people that disliked Alan was as long as your arm, 315 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 13: So it would be a very long and arduous investigation 316 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 13: if they were even ever going to solve this crime. 317 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: But amidst all this stress and sadness and fear, there 318 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: was one familiar piece of Alan who still occasionally came 319 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: by to offer just a sliver of light during these 320 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: dark times. 321 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: They'd bring his dog in and his wife he was 322 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: trying to reconcile with. She would come around. I might 323 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: see her and say hi, Yeah, it was just it 324 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: was really yeah, yeah, Fred, his dog Fred. There were 325 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 2: times when he would have Fred in the car when 326 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: we go on a sales car. 327 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 8: What are you doing it? 328 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: Well, he'll be fine. 329 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 8: I'll just crack the windows down, yep. 330 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: Alan's old Airedale terrier, Fred, the dog who overtime bore 331 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: a remarkable likeness to his shaggy haired owner, still came 332 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: by on occasion. His presence lightened the mood for some 333 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: before ultimately bringing others to tears. 334 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 18: And Fred was walking up and down the halls and rangling. 335 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: This is Burg biographer Stephen Singler. 336 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 18: Nothing avoked the spirit, probably even the presence or the 337 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 18: absence of Alan Berg. Moren that dog. 338 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Fred's occasional appearance was a fitting tribute to Alan in 339 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: the KOA studio, but colleagues found other ways to honor 340 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: their fallen friend in the days that followed. 341 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 15: And I was on the radio and I was I 342 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 15: remember I was in the window in the studio doing 343 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 15: Berg show, and I was substituting. I said, you know, 344 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 15: you know, Alan is a tough act of blah blah 345 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 15: blah blah. We started talking. I said, you know, just 346 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 15: for the hell of it, Alan said this was our 347 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 15: last town meeting or something. 348 00:22:59,119 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 14: I said something like that. 349 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 15: Then I said, you know, i'd like to know, you know, 350 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 15: if you miss them. And let's do lights on for Berg. 351 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 15: And and you know, remember now I'm a young Kidden radio, 352 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 15: relatively young. And I look out, I see a couple 353 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 15: of lights going. I thought, is that a coincidence because 354 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 15: it was daytime and I think that. 355 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 14: Was before day runners. 356 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 15: So there's a few lights. And then I said, let's 357 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 15: show our appreciation, and then more and more, and I. 358 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 14: Thought that's pretty cool. 359 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 15: So, like I said, you know, maybe it wasn't a 360 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 15: movie crescendo or climax where you know, everybody shouting, I'm 361 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 15: as mad as hell, I'm. 362 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 2: Not going to take it. 363 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 15: But there were people turning lights on and they were 364 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 15: sure as hell listening. And then I realized, you know, 365 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 15: this is a lot of people right here, and that 366 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 15: was a good moment for me because I never took 367 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 15: it for granted ever that And so the lights were on, 368 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 15: lots of them, I wouldn't say the majority, but lots 369 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 15: of them for me to see that they were listening 370 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 15: to what I was saying, and they missed Alan. So 371 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 15: I thought it was cool, and I said, lights on 372 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 15: for Berg and that that was cool. 373 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: KOA wasted a little time paying tribute to their fallen 374 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: colleague immediately following his shocking murder, but Stapf also had 375 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: the unenviable task of reporting the details of that murder, 376 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: and with one of their biggest stars tragically gone, it 377 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: was up to many staff to step up in his absence. 378 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: One of those was Lori Cantillo, who back then went 379 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: by the name Lori Parsons. 380 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 20: Lori Parsons KOA News Talk eighty five. 381 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 13: It was like, Oh my god, who's going to do 382 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 13: the show and how are we going to handle all 383 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 13: these interviews from CNN and CBS and ABC, And I 384 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 13: think it was in a way good that we had 385 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 13: to keep so busy, because I think we would have 386 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 13: probably fallen apart had we not had all of this 387 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 13: this work to do. And then it was probably several 388 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 13: days after his death that they needed. 389 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 4: Someone to fill in for him. 390 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 13: And I had never been a talk show host before, 391 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 13: but I was the producer, so I remember sitting in 392 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 13: that chair and as a news person. 393 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: When she wasn't trying her hand at being a talk 394 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: show host. Laurie was assigned to be the lead reporter 395 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: on the investigation into Berg's murder, a murder that, as 396 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: Laurie recalls, had ten thousand suspects. Two of those suspects, 397 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: white supremacist leaders Jack Moore and Pete Peters, had appeared 398 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: on Berg's show just a few months before his death. 399 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 20: The FBI is taking a hard look at a talk 400 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 20: show Berg did. The night of February thirteenth, nineteen eighty four. 401 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 20: Burg arranged to have as his guest the Reverend Pete 402 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 20: Peters and Gordon Jack Moore of the Christian Patriots Defense League. 403 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 20: Peters had arranged for more to speak at his Laport 404 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 20: Church of Christ a few days earlier, in a talk 405 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 20: that made headlines because of Moore's views that Jews are 406 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 20: conspiring to take over the world through communism. 407 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 13: Alan had on as his guest Colonel Jack Moore from 408 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 13: The Covenant The Sword in the Arm of the Lord, 409 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 13: and I recall it was a very heated conversation and 410 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 13: that Alan basically cursed him out. 411 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 20: The FBI says Reverend Peters is not under investigation and 412 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 20: the Berg murder. At this time, Jack Moore's status is unclear. 413 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 20: Peter says Moore's talked at least once to the Area 414 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 20: Nations group and is highly respected. It's possible to show 415 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 20: that night offended a friend of Jack Moore's. An FBI 416 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 20: agent confirms if February thirteenth show is a piece of evidence, 417 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 20: will quote throw out there. But he says, if that's 418 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 20: all the evidence we had, we wouldn't get to first 419 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 20: base if it'd come to my attention about that particular interview. 420 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 20: And as I recall, for some reason the radio station 421 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 20: did not have a recording of that. 422 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 13: It might have been that they destroy the tapes after 423 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 13: ninety days, something like this, But we were struggling to 424 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 13: get a copy of this cassette tape because this would 425 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 13: have been fundamental evidence for the prosecution. 426 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 4: It would have showed motive and intent. 427 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 13: So I reached out to Pastor Pete Peters the Laporte 428 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 13: Church of Christ. 429 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 4: And lo and behold, he had a tape of this interview. 430 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 13: So after much persuasion, I convinced him to meet me 431 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 13: at a cafe. 432 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: On the Pearl Street mall in Boulder one night. 433 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 13: I believe it was a Friday night, and I was 434 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 13: a little nervous. I felt like, here I am meeting 435 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 13: with this person who will not directly responsible for Alan's death, 436 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 13: certainly did not share my views. 437 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 4: He was a fairly known white supremacist. I believe it 438 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: was a weak. 439 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 13: Night on the Pearl Street mall in Boulder. We had 440 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 13: agreed to meet at a small cafe. I believe I 441 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 13: got there first, I remember that, and but Pastor Peters 442 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 13: walked into the cafe. We sat down together and exchanged 443 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 13: a few pleasantries. 444 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 4: He also looked a little bit nervous and unsure. 445 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 13: I think he just was very complicated, and if I 446 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 13: had to read into it, he may have felt a 447 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 13: little bit of guilt. 448 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 4: About what happened. That's just my take on things. But yeah, 449 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 4: he was very weary. 450 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 13: From the moment I contacted him by phone to the 451 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 13: time that he left our meeting. But I was able 452 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 13: to persuade him that it was the right thing to do, 453 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 13: that I had been a colleague of Allen's, you know, 454 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 13: we were all deeply you know, hurt and devastated by 455 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 13: his death, and that this would be a piece of 456 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 13: evidence that would assist with those who were responsible. 457 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 4: And he did give me the. 458 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 13: Cassette tape and I left. It was a very short meeting. 459 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 13: All I remember is feeling this immense feeling of relief 460 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 13: and that in some small way I could contribute to 461 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 13: putting these people behind bars. 462 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: Even with the tape, Denver police struggled to gain much 463 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: of anything leading to Berg's killer. With so much media 464 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: attention and so many police resources dedicated to the case, 465 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: the glare of the spotlight only intensified as time went 466 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: on without any real tangible evidence of who had committed 467 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: this heinous crime. Then, weeks later, a break in the case. 468 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Here's Peter Robinson. 469 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 21: Okay, Well, I was an assistant US attorney starting in 470 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 21: nineteen seventy eight and in nineteen eighty four, I was 471 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 21: assigned to the Northern District of California, headquartered in San Francisco, 472 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 21: and I was actually a one man branch office in 473 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 21: Santa Rosa, California, just north of San Francisco, and I 474 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 21: was responsible for any of the crimes that took place 475 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 21: between the Marin County line just north of San Francisco. 476 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 14: And the Oregon border. 477 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 21: And one day in July of nineteen eighty four, a 478 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 21: group of men robbed an armored car up in Yucaia, California, 479 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 21: in my district, and I became immediately assigned to work 480 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 21: on that case with the FBI agents. The armored car 481 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 21: was traveling very slowly because it was a very steep 482 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 21: hill and it had to gear down, and all of 483 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 21: a sudden, a pickup truck pulled in front of it, 484 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 21: forcing it to come to a stop. Even at the 485 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 21: slow speed it was going, there was a pickup truck 486 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 21: behind it went alongside it, and so all the men 487 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 21: jumped out at that point, pointed their weapons and ordered 488 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 21: the armored car guards to get out, and within a 489 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 21: few minutes had taken a lot of money from the 490 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 21: brinks armory car and gotten away with all that loot. 491 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: By this point, Steve Singular had been assigned to write 492 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: a story for Rolling Stone magazine about Allan's murder. 493 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 18: So I started to write the piece. And as I 494 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 18: was writing the piece over the summer of nineteen eighty 495 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 18: four and going maybe under the fall, the case started 496 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 18: to unravel. The case had moved from the Denver Police 497 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 18: Department out to the FBI, and they were eventually beginning 498 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 18: to learn that this wasn't one crime committed by one person, 499 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 18: but this was a series of crimes committed by a group. 500 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: That's next time on live Wire, The Loud Life and 501 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: Shocking Murder of Alan Burke. Live Wire is a production 502 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: of iHeart Podcasts and Modulator Media. 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