1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Welcome Jags Drivetime with John Hosier Herson and Brian sexty 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: six day Jangs Drive Time. It starts right now. Hello 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: and welcome to Jags Drive Time. Brian Sexon along with 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: John Osier here, and we're getting to the end of March. 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: It really John, it's it's surprising how quickly we are 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: on the cusp of the draft, and it's surprising how 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: quickly March has gone. Well, they always go to the 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: same face, no, no, I know, hours a day, thirty days, 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. Part of that is is that 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: the Jaguar season extended almost to the end of January, 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: and so instead of being done right around the new year, 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: there was a whole other month. But here we are 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: now five weeks from the draft, and all of a sudden, 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're really you got owners meetings that you'll 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: be at over the weekend and next week we're almost there. Yeah, 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: it goes quick, and they know the NFL has pushed 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: that a little bit by extending the season now into 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl first week of February, right with the 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: seventeenth game. You know, you always hear stuff at some 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: point they may add an eighteenth and they push this, 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, boy, or they compressing the offseason. But yeah, 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: we're almost there. We've got a lot to talk about 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: it today's show. We'll start with big Things and get 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: right to it. John. I know we're gonna talk at 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: some point over the course of ozone snapshot later in 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: the show about the emails that you're getting about improvement 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: in Folks not necessarily understanding how the Jaguars can improve 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: their roster if they're not bringing in new players. But 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: improvement comes in a lot of different ways, and a 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: big part of that is the roster can get better 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: without adding big name free agents. We'll talk about that 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: in just a moment. Also number two on the big 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: things list is some key reserves are back. Yesterday, Trey 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: Herndon resigned, Adam Gotsis resigned. These aren't big name players 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: that people are saying, oh, absolutely, that's problems, but it 36 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: does mean that you've got reliable players who fit a 37 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: very specific role who are back in Jacksonville. And finally, 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: big thing three stones meaning turn over the stones. This 39 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: is really the time of year where the money that 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: you put into the scouting department pays big devidends or 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't and John. Starting with big thing three, The 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: scouting budgets huge for an NFL team. Sure, I mean 43 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: you've got guys who are out on the road all 44 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: season long, driving, flying, staying in hotels eating. You know, 45 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a big part of the Jaguars football budget. 46 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: And this is where investing in the right guys in 47 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: the right tools pays off, because when you don't have 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: the room on your cap to sign, you've got to 49 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: find ways to do it in the draft. Well, yes, 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: you have to find ways of doing the draft. You 51 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: also have to find ways to do it in second 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: and third tier free agency. And that's not the scouting 53 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: you were talking about, but it's still part of what 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: they do. I think second and third tier free agency 55 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: could be very important. And I'm referencing arden Key, who's 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: been a big topic for the last week or so. 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: Remember they got arden Key second tier free agency last 58 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: year on a one year deal. He's the sort of 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: player that I think at some point, it maybe two 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: or three weeks down the road, that they would like 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: to get a third tier guy to come in and 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: give them some sort of help in some areas we do, 63 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: my guests, But more to your point, this scouting and 64 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: the structure and the approach in the draft is about 65 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: to become much more. It's always important. It's about to 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: become critical when they signed Trevor Lawrence to the big contract. 67 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: That will happen at some point the couple of seasons, 68 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: you will, by necessity become a quarterback centric salary cap 69 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: much like the Chiefs. There's a little room on those 70 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: franchises for big name guys. But you can't have the 71 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: spending spreeze and free agency that Jaguars have had last 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: couple of years. It won't happen. It can't happen. And 73 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: I had somebody asked me the other day, how is 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: it that the Chiefs, with their high dollars quarterback are 75 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: able to give Juan Taylor twenty million dollars a year 76 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: and the Jaguars can't And they haven't paid their quarterback yet. 77 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: But you have to go back to last year. The 78 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: reason that the Jaguars don't have the financial means. I 79 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't say that because mister con could obviously write the check, 80 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: but they don't have the cap room is because they 81 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: spent so heavily the last two off seasons in free agency. 82 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: They don't have the room to go out and do 83 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: it now. Three four years from now, when they become 84 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: a draft and developed team, right, there's probably some room 85 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: on the margins to be able to go and do that. 86 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: It's you know, I don't think people remember or understand 87 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: how much they had to sign in free agency just 88 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: to get act to the point where they could do 89 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: what they did last year where they could compete um 90 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: And if you look at what they did, they added 91 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: high price, They completely rebuilt their receiving corps and now 92 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: you have late first contract in Calvin Ridley, a first 93 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: round contracted that spot. You also have free agent money, 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: veteran free agent money, wide receiver Christian Kirk, wide receivers 95 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: A Jones Ingram Brandon Sheriff was signed last year. Cam 96 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: Robinson was re up last year. You have a lot 97 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: of early second contract money all around the offense. You 98 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: also Foya Lukon the year before, Roy Robertson and Harris Williams. 99 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: So that's Trent Ball could be the first one to 100 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: tell you that's too many second contract big dollars there. 101 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: But they had to do it to get But when 102 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: they did it, the first thing, Trent Balky said after 103 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: that signing class way back in twenty twenty two. This 104 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: won't happen next year. It can happen next year. This 105 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: was about the plan was always get it to this year. 106 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: It was going to be a two year deal with 107 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: these guys and then your cap would get freed up 108 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: where you could start being a draft and developed team 109 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: and really get the cap right. I mean Trent to 110 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: be the first one to tell you it's not right 111 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: right now. This is not how you want to function 112 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: long term. But they had to get back to competitiveness 113 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: and that's how they did it well. And you also 114 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: look at what the Jaguars can and will want to resign. 115 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: You mentioned Trevor, he's eligible for a contract after next season. 116 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: You've got Josh Allen and if he comes out and 117 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: has a big year this year, you're gonna want to 118 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: give him that. Tyson Campbell's coming up soon and he's 119 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: obviously a cornerstone. And then you look at a guy 120 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: like Travis Etn who's only played one of his first 121 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: two years, but after this year, you have the opportunity 122 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: to pay him or at least in the next two 123 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: years pay him. So you're not just thinking about right there. 124 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: Next season, you're thinking about the year after and the 125 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: year after, and you've got to be able to plan 126 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: for some of these players that you expect to be 127 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: here well, and you've got you know, I don't know 128 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: enough about a You can't predict the future, and I 129 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: don't you know, I understand the cap enough to explain it. 130 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: But the intricacies of what will happen with Trevor Lawrence's contract, 131 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody can explain it because I 132 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't think they know yet how 133 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: to be structured. But those quarterback mega deals, which is 134 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: what Trevor you assume, will get, get very complicated. You know. 135 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: I forget who was on the show at some point, 136 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: maybe in Bucky Brooks, who said it he will probably 137 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: be a fifty million dollar player. I would think maybe 138 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah, depending on what Joe Burrow and 139 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert get when their contracts are done. This. Yeah, 140 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: So it is a cap situation that they have to 141 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: prepare for, and you've got to get it right. And 142 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: that's all they're doing. They're not being cheap, they're not 143 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: ignoring things. They are trying to get this right for 144 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: the long term, so that you can build around this 145 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: quarterback and have a successful, functioning franchise for ten or 146 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: twelve years. It will be different, and they will and 147 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: it will not be as deep a team around Trevor Lawrence. 148 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: But when you take the number one overall pick in 149 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: the draft, if he works out as a quarterback, you 150 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: have to build around that and he has to be 151 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: a Mahomes level player at some point for them to 152 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: win Super Bowls. Is that fair to put on him? 153 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's the cap reality of how 154 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: that thing has to be structured at some point. But 155 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: and you look at Mahomes and he had a ten 156 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: year contract worth almost a half a billion dollars, right, 157 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: and it's it's sort of a different contract than the 158 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: traditional quarterback contract. But I think they have to be well, okay, 159 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: that's what I was getting at earlier, right, I think 160 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: in order to make that work, I don't think it 161 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: can be a traditional contract. Okay. So we're going to 162 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: get a sense though, of two young quarterbacks in the 163 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: AFC with Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert, who are both 164 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: eligible for contract extensions this year, and that will give 165 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: us perhaps a clue into how they set this whole 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: thing up. Let's go back to big thing one briefly, 167 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: and that's improvement, and it's something that you just don't 168 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: talk about, but young players getting better. Trevor Lawrence, Trayvon Walker, Walker, 169 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: Little's obviously going to be a starter. Now. There are 170 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: a number of young players on this ris. I mentioned 171 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: Tyson Campbell, Josh Allen. There are plenty of guys who 172 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: through coaching through another year in a system which once 173 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: the last time you had back to back twenty nineteen, 174 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and a lot of these guys weren't here 175 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: for that. So you've got the opportunity to coach these guys, 176 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: to get these guys through your off season program and improve, 177 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: for everyone to improve. Yeah, there's sometimes, very often a difference, 178 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: a big difference between what the buzzes around a franchise 179 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: and what the reality is inside a franchise. And I 180 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: think when you're mentioning this, this is the reality of 181 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: how this team can improve. We all like to talk 182 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: now because we like shiny objects about free agency and 183 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: about getting better during that time and about signing guys, 184 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: and you can do it that way, but if you 185 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: think about it, they let Juwan Taylor go, well, you 186 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: have Walker little on the roster, that's why he's there. 187 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: That's why he's there, and that's how you turn into 188 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: a draft and developed team. And I'm not saying they 189 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to draft and developed Juan Taylor, but at 190 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: some point you have to make choices on those kind 191 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: of those kind of players. It's the same deal when 192 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: you drafted Trayvon Walker and Devin Lloyd, who didn't have 193 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: on this list, and Chad Muma last year. By definition 194 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: NFL people understand, those guys probably aren't going to have 195 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: made your impact is rookies. But when you take those 196 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: two players in Round one in the second year, this 197 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: team has to be built defensively around those guys. The 198 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: disruption upfront that we didn't see enough last year. Devin 199 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: Lloyd and Trayvon Walker first round players, they need to 200 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: be guys that we're all talking about, Oh look at 201 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: that defense, look at it improve. That's why draft and developed. 202 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: That's where draft and veler comes in. It doesn't often 203 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: happens because I think about Trevel Lawrence as a rookie, 204 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean many many factors, but they got nothing like 205 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: they got in year two. Out of Terrel Lawrence as 206 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: a rookie. That same thing has to happen with Lloyd 207 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: and Walker or else. The plan that they had for 208 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: those guys isn't working as they thought. I don't mean 209 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: they can't win, but it means that that's not working 210 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: as well as they thought. Year two has to be 211 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: those guys year, Lloyd, Walker, Muma Fortner, Right. I mean, 212 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: you just look at all the young guys on both 213 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: sides of the ball. It's talented roster. You're gonna be 214 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: a draft and developed team. You got to improve. That's 215 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: when that has to happen. It's in year two, and 216 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: the coaching staff obviously has a huge hand in getting 217 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: that done. All right, those are big things. When we 218 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: come back, we'll take a look at the other teams 219 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: in the AFC South, what they've got accomplished in what 220 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: their big challenges are in the South as we head 221 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: towards the draft at the end of April. This is 222 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: Jags Drivetime on the Jaguars Digital Network. Roll and ride 223 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: along here through Jags Drive Time Brian and John our 224 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: broadcast crew. Next week, John will be from Arizona joining 225 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: us from the owners meetings and we'll preview that a 226 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: little bit here at the end of the show. But 227 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: let's talk about the AFC South and John. Each one 228 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: of these teams has the very same question right looming 229 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: over it. But we'll start with the Colts, and they've 230 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: got a new coach, they've got a new quarterback in 231 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, and they're looking for another quarterback. In other words, 232 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: the issue for them is who's going to play quarterback 233 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: for Shane Steiken in that new offense that he's trying 234 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: to build up there. Yeah, and it's to me the Colts. 235 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: There's some irony here because they were a franchise that 236 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: had been blessed for two decades, basically paid Manning number 237 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: one overall Andrew luck number one overall, that never had 238 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: a problem with quarterback. When I covered the Colts, obviously 239 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: they were a quarterback centric team. They had some Hall 240 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: of famers around it, which is why they had sustained excellence. 241 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: But they were built on the quarterback. And I don't 242 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: say it was easy, but boy, when you have that piece, 243 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: everything else sort of falls into place. The reverse has 244 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: been true for the last four or five years. Last 245 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: year there are roster I don't think it was as 246 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: good as it had been in the last probably five 247 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: or six years before that. But they showed the NFL 248 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: truism right now. They had a good roster for four 249 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: or five years and kept trying to find the quarterback, 250 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: kept trying, And I remember walking around the Colts hallways 251 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: when I was there and experienced NFL people saying, you know, 252 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: just remember it's hard to find that guy, you know, 253 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: and and sort of trying to have an awareness of 254 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: we are really fortunate to have that guy. Well, all 255 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they showed you the last four or 256 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: five years when you don't, it's just hard to make 257 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: it work, and they're so looking for it. Gardner Minshew 258 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: Colts would tell you he's going to be the guy now. 259 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: He's just bringing the system in, right, He's coming with 260 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: Styken to bring the system in. He's Jacoby Brissette was there, 261 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: and then Philip Rivers came in, then Carson Wentz, then 262 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and around them. You mentioned the roster. They 263 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: had some receivers. Jonathan Taylor a good authenticive line. We 264 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: know they traded for divorce Buckner and you plopped either 265 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: of their two quarterbacks from the last twenty years into 266 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: that raw roster. They're probably a super Bowl team, but 267 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: they didn't have it. And now you hear you hear 268 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: talk they're investigating the Lamar Jackson situation or the draft. 269 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: To me, their story from a thirty thou view stops 270 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: and starts at quarterback. Where are they gonna do it? 271 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: What makes sense because of the way that Styken worked 272 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts last year. I mean, I'm curious what 273 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: they do with all those defensive players that they've got. 274 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: There's some big numbers over on that side of the bowl, 275 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: guys that they've paid at a roster that doesn't appear 276 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, it's it's always gonna be a 277 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: dangerous team because they have talent and if they can 278 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: put something in the quarterback position to make it work. 279 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: They so last year. They were close at times and 280 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: quarterbay situation became a mess, and they still competed early. 281 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: But I think they're dangerous. But until they get that fixed, 282 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're a playoff team. All right. On 283 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: to the Titans, who have the same head coach and 284 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: apparently the same quarterback to go with the new GM 285 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: Ran Carthon. We've talked on the show a lot about 286 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: our admiration for Mike Vrabel. And if you need to 287 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: know anything more about how good Mike Rabel, let's just 288 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: go back and look what he did with Josh Dobbs. Here, 289 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, on the final Saturday night of the season, 290 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: when they came down and they were ready to play, 291 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: despite the fact that they were playing with a guy 292 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: who'd been on a practice squad in Detroit a few 293 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: weeks earlier. So that coach gets guys ready. But where 294 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: where are the Titans? Where's this team? Ryan Tannehill? It 295 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: appeared that they were ready to move on from him. 296 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: Now it appears they're gonna go with him new offensive coordinator. 297 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: They have cut a number of players. They've let a 298 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: Taylor Lawan and Ben Jones go from their offensive line. 299 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: They released Bud Dupree on the defensive side. They just 300 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: seem different. They do. And I always, I always say 301 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: with the Titans, especially with Rabel, write them off at 302 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: your own risk, because as we saw in that situation, 303 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: this was a beat up team. They still figured out 304 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: a way to you know, I think if you remember 305 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: the Titans, you probably say we won that game except 306 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: for a fluky play at the end. That's how they're 307 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: seeing I don't I don't agree with that assessment, but 308 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: if I was in their locker room, that's what I 309 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: would think. So even with change, you've got to figure 310 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: that they are going to go into the season next 311 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: year with a plan to be competitive in game no 312 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: other breaks go their way at the end of games. 313 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: But I just don't see them as a team that's 314 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: not going to be competitive in games. Here's my question though, 315 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: If they're going with Ryan Tannehill, then I assume they're 316 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: gonna go with Derrick Henry. He's still in the roster. 317 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: He hasn't been traded, right, which means you're gonna keep 318 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: playing the same style, but you're playing except that you 319 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: have to go find four new offensive linemen, right yea. 320 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: And has that style translated enough? They've been in the playoffs, 321 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: but they haven't gotten anywhere. I mean, ye should they 322 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: be going down that same should they be? Well, I'm 323 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: asking that question now. Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes, as 324 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: a franchise, much like the Colts in the last five 325 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: or six years, and frankly the Jaguars for a long 326 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: long time, when you're not in a position to go 327 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: get a quarterback, can you go get one? And that 328 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: was sort of a weird way of saying that, But 329 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, the Colts for years. I don't think anybody 330 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: the Colts would have told you, and probably the Jaguars 331 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: in a few of their years would have told you, Yeah, 332 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 1: we love our quarterback situation, but you're picking ninth and 333 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks are gonna be gone by three and 334 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: you can't go trade up. So you've got a guy 335 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: you've got to figure, you know. So maybe that's where 336 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: the Titans are right now. They probably know the long 337 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: term it is Tanny Hill a you know, is here's 338 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: career trajectory going to be Trevor Lawrence and Patrick Mahomes. Well, 339 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: anybody thinks that, but okay, we can't have that. Well 340 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: what's our best option for right now? I feel like 341 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: the Titans are still trying to build for right now, 342 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: trying to win now, and I think with Rabel as 343 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: your coach, I could see a path if you're the Titans, 344 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: where you think you can go win the AFC South. 345 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: You were incredibly beat up last year, had an awful year, 346 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: and you were three minutes away from doing it, So 347 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: you can certainly talk yourself in to believing that you 348 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: have a chance to go win this division, and you 349 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: probably do. Now, can you go win a Super Bowl 350 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: with Ryan Tannehill? I would say probably not. I'd say 351 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: he's not in the handful of five guys that I 352 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: would say are super Bowl quarterbacks right now. But I 353 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: don't know that they can go get that anyway, so 354 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: they probably see him right now as their best option. 355 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: I understand why they're doing it the way they're doing 356 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: it because they're not in a position to get that 357 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: quarterback last year. But it sure seems like they're not 358 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: in the right now as much as they are treading 359 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: water trying to figure out a way to be able 360 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: to take the assets that they still do have. And 361 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry is still a very powerful back and a 362 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: guy who can be very productive. Antanna Hill's got a 363 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: big arm. If they can go find a receiver for him, 364 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: big question, right, And I think the Titans would tell 365 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: you too, because Trailon Burke's that guy. They were incredibly 366 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: beat up half the season, very much so, so I 367 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: think when they sit in their meetings in January and February, 368 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: they say, look, the chances are we're not going to 369 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: be as beat up. Jacksonville is a good team. Do 370 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: we see them as a thirteen win team next year? 371 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how they see the Jaguars, but there's 372 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: we're nine and eight team this year. So I could 373 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: see how they could say, Okay, we're going to reload 374 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: it here, know that we can't go get a franchise 375 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: quarterback and stay with the same formula because they believe 376 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: they can win that way, and their five year history 377 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: leading up to this season that show that they could 378 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: shown they can, so I think that's how they play football, 379 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: all right. So those are the two teams that this 380 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: year we're on top of the AFC South in most 381 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: everybody's standings pre season. Right This next team is obviously 382 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: the Texans, and they've got a new coach, no quarterback, 383 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: but they have lots of cap space and they have 384 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: a ton of draft picks for the trade of Watson 385 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: right to Shaun Watson to the Cleveland Browns. And you 386 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: know they're sitting there at the number two spots. So 387 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: if they like one of those quarterbacks and you get 388 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: the sense they're gonna take one no matter what, because 389 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: they got to start, you've got to figure they're gonna 390 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: take a quarterback, and so that puts them in the situation. 391 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: I can't compare to the Jaguars right now, because the 392 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: Jaguars had a quarterback that everybody believed was generational. Didn't 393 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: play like it as his rookie year, but that was 394 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: the belief. From what you hear about the quarterbacks in 395 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: this year's draft not a generational quarterback draft, so perhaps 396 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: the expectations aren't quite the same. It feels more like 397 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: a Jamis Winston Marcus Mariota type draft, where you've got 398 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: guys that you think you hope but that you don't 399 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: really know for sure, and you never know for sure 400 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback. But it's not the same as a Trevor 401 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: Lawrence draft. So they will be coming at you hard 402 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: with young players, young drafted players, a lot of free 403 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: agents rebuilt. I'm sure their media guide and their signage 404 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: next year will have mottos about new generations and we'll 405 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 1: see if they can get it done. It would you 406 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: be tempted at all to wait on the quarterback position 407 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: if there's such Look, for instance, right you have a 408 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: quarterback in Jacksonville that you've got to line up and 409 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: beat twice a year. If if the Anderson kid from 410 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: Alabama right is the best pass rusher in the draft, 411 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: and you're not sure about the quarterback. Knowing that with 412 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: Damika Ryan, you're just getting started. It's not about this year. 413 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: It might even be about next year. There are some 414 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: quarterbacks available next year. Might you be tempted to take 415 00:22:54,320 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: the pass rusher. You're tempted. But this is a sort 416 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: of a copycat league in both directions. The Jaguars sort 417 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: of did that in the early part of last decade 418 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: when Caldwell and Bradley came in and they waited the 419 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: first year, they didn't go get it, and then they 420 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: went after Boardles and that went as it did. It's 421 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. Typically people talk about waiting and being patient. 422 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: Are they really patient in reality? Yeah? No, I totally 423 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: get it. You follow me. So, I think in theory, 424 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: you know, Dave and Guss sort of went theoretical with 425 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: some of their build it. You know, they got the 426 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game. I think most people around the league 427 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: would look at that and say that build didn't work. 428 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 1: So you're gonna follow that theoretical model, you know. And 429 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little out there on that, but it's 430 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: tough when you're actually the GM and you're actually the 431 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: coat to say, hey, we're gonna wait until next year, 432 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: because you got a season staring down your face, and 433 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: that season's real. I think when you look at the 434 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: AFC South and through the lens of the quarterback position, 435 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: a couple years ago, Deshaun Watson was a riser. Now 436 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: he's in Cleveland. Ryan Tannehill appears to be closer to 437 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: the end than where he was. And obviously since Andrew Luck, 438 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: they haven't been able to find the quarterback. You're you're 439 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: in the catbird seat in the AFC South because of 440 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: your quarterback. Yeah, and so much can change. And you know, 441 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: if the Colts indeed go get Lamar Jackson and the 442 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: Texans signed the right guy and maybe by a week 443 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: eight or not signed the right guy, draft the right guy, 444 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: maybe by a week eight, we're talking different. Right now, 445 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,239 Speaker 1: it looks very unsettled except for the jack Ords. All right, 446 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: we'll take a break. When we come back, take a 447 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: snapshot of what John is seeing in the ozone mail bag. 448 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: Here on Jack's Drive Time, and welcome back to Jacks 449 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: Drive Time. Let's start with Tim from Fernandina Beach. In 450 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: the ozone snapshot, he writes, all the Winders who want 451 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: us to resign everyone, sign all free agents and trade 452 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: for everyone should ponder the Los Angeles Rams, how is 453 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: that working out for them? Down? Well? And you know, 454 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: we could have an entire show based on this topic. Yeah, 455 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: m picks? Right, what's that f them? Picks? Wasn't that 456 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: the T shirt? Yeah? Right? That's uh. And it depends 457 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: on what side you come down on. You can you 458 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: can laugh at the Rams because they're tearing it down 459 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: right now, but they have rings and so was it 460 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: a bad move? Good move? Well, it was a calculator 461 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: was a darn good move when that confetti was falling? 462 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: And that matters. So the thing you want, you know, 463 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: you can say, go do that, and it's easy to say, uh, 464 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: But going and doing it how the Rams did it 465 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: doesn't guarantee you a Super Bowl. If it did, everybody 466 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: would do it. So it again comes back to how 467 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: you feel about things, what's your risk tolerance? And it 468 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: also comes back to even with the Rams, within the 469 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: context of their aggressive approach, they made moves that worked. 470 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: They got the breaks at the end of that season 471 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: and they went and won it. That doesn't work for everybody. 472 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: It's how they approach it. You can also win other ways. 473 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: You can win it in more sustainable ways. They chose 474 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: that way and it worked for him, but you could 475 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: go again. You could have a million NFL shows talking 476 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: about this one topic and you're always going to have 477 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: a great debate on either side. Well, and remember a 478 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: conversation we have with Trent Bulky at the end of 479 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: the year. When it comes to the salary cap, it's 480 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: more about cash. Cash gives you flexibility, and with the 481 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: kind of cash they throw off in Southern California, sure 482 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: they'll take a step back for a year or two. 483 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: It's with the realign. And I think from the Rams perspective, 484 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: it was critical for them in that huge market where 485 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: they're no matter what it looks like on TV, they're 486 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: not the most popular team. It was critical they do 487 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: for them and talking to media around that team, and 488 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: I think it's going to dictate how they approach roster 489 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: building the entire time they're there, and different may not 490 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: believe that that city will support long rebuilds, is the 491 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: general feeling, and they want stars, they want success, So 492 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how that goes because I 493 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: sense that the approach they took to get this one 494 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: probably won't be the last time they do that. Who 495 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: knows that it came from you right on. I think 496 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting dichotomy because in Jacksonville, UM, 497 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 1: you don't have the cash that they have. I mean 498 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: they get forty million dollars a year for the naming 499 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: rights and and here you know it's four five millions. 500 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: So the cash that they've got to be able to 501 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: overcome that. But what they also don't have that the Jaguars. 502 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: Do you build this thing? You feel your stadium every 503 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon because it's the only game in town. And 504 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: I had a cab driver when I was out there 505 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: for a pro day at USC one say, oh no, 506 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: the Rams. I mean they're like six or seventh when 507 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: they're good. You know, we start factoring in the Dodgers 508 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: and the Lakers and USC and UCLA and all those things. 509 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: So different approach. The Jaguars approaches gotta have to be 510 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: build and build and build and build and sustained it 511 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: all right? How about Howard from Homestead? Because children who 512 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: got their Christmas presidents early should not complain about a 513 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: Bear Tree on Christmas Day hashtag Ridley. Yeah, And I 514 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: think it's a pretty short answer. Say what you want 515 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: about what they're not doing this offseason, but Calvin Ridley 516 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: is an addition and he's an improvement, and I think 517 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: within the context of that too, he's an eleven million 518 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: dollars cap head. I think, you know, had they not 519 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: gone and gotten Ridley and had him as mndaws on 520 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: the cap, then yeah, there's a chance they would have 521 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: probably gone and tried to figure something else out to 522 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: quote have the outside improvement. But Calvin Ridley is a 523 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: major addition to this franchise and was a necessary and 524 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't think you can underestimate the foresight of that move, 525 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: considering that there has not been a lot of movement 526 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: and action. I don't think you could have waited and 527 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: tried to go get that level of contribution and free 528 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: agency it wasn't going to be out there. So my 529 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: hashtag for this would be delayed gratification because when they 530 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: did it last yeah, it would be long last October. 531 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, yeah, well we gotta wait on it. And 532 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: now here you are, at the start of free agency, 533 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, we're still waiting on it. It'll be 534 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: worth it when it finally shows up. Yeah, and so yes, 535 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: good point. Harrod from homes All right, Rusty from New Iberia, Louisiana, 536 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: you have said you always overpay in free agency. If so, 537 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: how was it ever possible to resign your own guys. 538 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: It seems like there will always be some other team 539 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: willing to overspend. Well, it's fair point, and probably within 540 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: the context of phrase. You know you always over paying 541 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: free agency, you always ould pay your own guys too. 542 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: The difference is when you pay your own guys, you 543 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: know exactly what you're paying for. Your risk is much 544 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: much lower than when you pay somebody else's guy, because 545 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: you know what you're getting, you know how they fit, 546 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: you know their work ethic, you know how they approach 547 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: the game, so you overpay everything. In this league, the 548 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: idea is to resign your own to keep a core 549 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: and to know what you're resigning. You can't keep everybody, right, 550 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: and we just saw that, and the system is designed 551 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: so that you don't get to keep everybody, and the 552 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: Jaguars are going to see some of that through the 553 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: next couple of years. So you'll overpay to keep the 554 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: guys you want, and some guys will go because they're 555 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: overpaid by other teams. That's just the system, especially when 556 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: you have the quarterback. This is designed to let guys 557 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: hit free agency. I hated to see Juwan Taylor go 558 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: after the year that he had, but that's why you 559 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: drafted Walker Little. I mean, that's that's exactly the reason. 560 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: He's here, not to be a swing tackle, not to 561 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: replace Cam in two years, but to be able to 562 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: replace so that you can let you one walk and 563 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: keep Evan Ingram and keep some of your core guys around. 564 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: You've got to let people walk. Eventually, you have to 565 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: let some guys go. And if you think about it, 566 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: a fairly seen not the same situation. But let arden keyGo. 567 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: What you drafted last year is supposed to come along 568 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: and replace the improvement, and that's where it happens. And 569 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: and Caleb and Chason is a guy that people have 570 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: all but forgotten about, and he hasn't done a lot 571 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: to earn people mentioning him. But maybe you get some 572 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: improvement from him, and he learned something from arden Key 573 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: and can slide into that role and give you something. 574 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: And then of course next year he'll be ready for 575 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: free agency, and yeah, I gotta let him go right. 576 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: Get used to this because it's you know, I think 577 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: they're going If things go right for this franchise, there 578 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: are going to be more subtractions in the offseasons. It's 579 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: the way in additions at this time of year. Look 580 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: at the Steelers as well as the Colts and some 581 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: of those teams in the way that they've done it. 582 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back and wrap up Jags drive time 583 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: here from Tia bank Field right after this. All right, 584 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: back to wrap things up here. Don't forget that you 585 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: can join Magellan by applying online at www dot Magellan 586 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: Logistics dot com. Magellan office has been voted the coolest 587 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: office space in Jacksonville, so help them move the freight again. 588 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: Apply online at Magellan Logistics dot com. Next week, as 589 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: I foreshadowed, you will be in Arizona and we will 590 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: do this program live and you will be covering what 591 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: stories we will have talked On Monday morning to Jaguar's 592 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: head coach Doug Peterson. There's an AFC Coach's Breakfast where 593 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: the media talks to different coaches, so that's usually a 594 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: good spot to sort of get updated. You have the 595 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: combine and you have the owners meetings, and you have 596 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: the draft. This is sort of the second tier of 597 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: getting to talk to the head coach about some of 598 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: the topics that I'm sure he'll He'll discuss free agency, 599 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: approach and thoughts going forward. So and then I'll be 600 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: talking to Jaguar's owner's shod Con on Tuesday, which we 601 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: won't talk about on Drivetime, but that's something to watch 602 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: because Shot I'll be talking about the season and different 603 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: things going on right the franchise. It's always good looking 604 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: forward to it. John, thanks so much, and to all 605 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: of our broadcast Grew appreciates your assistant this morning. Have 606 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: a wonderful day in a great week. We'll talk to 607 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: you next week on Jags Ride Time.