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Speaker 1: Break for Thursday, June twenty second.

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Speaker 2: Coming up today, Cruz race to find the missing sub

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Speaker 2: near the Titanic before the air runs out.

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Speaker 1: The US and India strengthened military and economic ties.

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Speaker 2: Rates in focus, as Jay Powell appears before Congress again,

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Speaker 1: I mean bring you an exclusive interview with the CEO

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Speaker 3: New York Mayor Adams announces new guidelines after lithium ion

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Speaker 3: battery fires. Plus a New York City board votes for

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Speaker 3: increases in rent stabilized apartments. I'm Michael Barr. More ahead, I'm.

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Speaker 4: John Stas, Sharon Swarts, the Yankees at three home runs

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Speaker 4: NBA Draft takes place tonight in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 5: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg day Break, the Business

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Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're following today.

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Speaker 2: First, we want to keep you updated on the search

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Speaker 2: for that missing submersible near the Titanic. Crews from around

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Speaker 2: the world are zeroing in on underwater noises detected over

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Speaker 5: There's animal life, there are other noises that are out there.

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Speaker 3: There are ships operating in.

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Speaker 2: Former Coastguard Commandant Thad Allen says the situation is growing

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Speaker 2: more desperate for the five people on board the titan

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Speaker 2: The vessel left Sunday with about ninety six hours of air.

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Speaker 1: Well, Nathan, we turn to geopolitics now. In an important

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Speaker 1: moment in the US relationship with India, President Biden is

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Speaker 1: also hold a brief adjoint news conference, a rare ty

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Speaker 2: Meantime, in Florida, Karen, the federal government's case against Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is moving forward. Prosecutors are now turning over evidence

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Speaker 7: In Washington.

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Speaker 8: Evidence is being handed over to the defense as both

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Speaker 1: All right, Amy, thank you well. Elsewhere in Washington, the

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Speaker 1: House is voted to censor Adam Schiff. Flowmakers voted along

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Speaker 9: McCarthy would spend the nation's time on petty political payback,

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Speaker 1: Adam Schiff becomes the twenty fifth House lawmaker to be censured.

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Speaker 2: Karen Let's turn from politics now to financial markets. Jay

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Speaker 2: Powell is back in focus as the FED chair prepares

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Speaker 1: Well, Nathan. Not all FED officials are on board for

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Speaker 11: the year. In New York, Charlie Pellett Bloomberg Daybreak.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Charlie. Central banks are also in focus overseas

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Speaker 12: Central banks for men to get boring this summer, but

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Speaker 1: Norway when even further, hiking rates by fifty basis points,

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Speaker 2: Staying in Europe, Karen Deutsche Bank's CEO is out with

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Speaker 6: With regard to the investment bank, we always said that

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Speaker 2: And again that was Deutsche Bank CEO Christian Savings, speaking

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Speaker 2: exclusively with Bloomberg. State tuned for more of that conversation

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Speaker 3: Good morning Nathan. A deadly tornado hit a small town

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Speaker 3: Multiple cities are shattering all time heat records. South of Houston,

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Speaker 13: Sure they're staying hydrated, making sure that they're aware of

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Speaker 3: Near Corpus Christy, it felt like one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: seven degrees tenets. In New York City's roughly one million

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Speaker 3: rents stabilized apartments will face increases of three percent for

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Speaker 3: increase October first, another lithium ion battery fire in New York.

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Speaker 13: We need real action not only on the state level,

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Speaker 13: hundred and eight lithian ion related battery fires in this

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Speaker 3: Mayor Adams also announced an outreach and education campaign aimed

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Speaker 3: New York State Legislature has passed a bill to protect

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Michael. Time now for the Bloomberg Sports Update.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, John Stanshall, Good morning, Nathan.

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Speaker 4: And Yankees, of course had some big name, high priced guys,

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Speaker 4: the tenth of the season for the rookie Anthony Volpa.

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Speaker 4: Yankees beat the Mariners four to two and they go

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Speaker 4: The Mets lost in Houston ten to eight. This game

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Speaker 4: Now lost thirteen to their last seventeen. Cincinnati has won

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Speaker 4: all of its last eleven, the Reds longest winning streaking

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Speaker 4: Big NBA trade just ahead of Tonight's draft. It takes

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager. There's momentum in the business, so says

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Speaker 2: Deutsche Bank CEO Christian Saving, and while he warns of

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Speaker 15: Now, the macro uncertainty that has driven markets so much recently,

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's start with the Oval bank and there we

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Speaker 7: And we see the results.

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Speaker 6: That's what I would say for the coming months and weeks. Again,

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Speaker 7: You are very good at keeping secrets.

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Speaker 15: Let's talk about the new Mist acquisition for those of

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Speaker 7: Was the offer just too good to refuse? Was the

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Speaker 7: Where did where did your decision to go in this.

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Speaker 6: Well, I just said it in my previous answer. You know,

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Speaker 6: And we think it's an optimal addition to our business

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Speaker 7: Can also do the one or the other things.

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Speaker 6: So the over global housebank concept is fitting very well

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Speaker 6: I'm very glad about the job Fabrizio and the.

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Speaker 6: And now we concluded this and now we need to

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Speaker 7: Right. Are you keeping more secrets from me?

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Speaker 15: Are there you talk about the other divisions and the

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Speaker 15: Are you still interested or or is the dry powder gone?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: I would say, look, I think we are very careful

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Speaker 7: And hence a I wouldn't.

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Speaker 6: Tell you about secrets because you just said we are

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Speaker 15: You talk about highers on the well side, though, do

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Speaker 7: Well, it's it's it's both.

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Speaker 6: But I do believe that we have now such a

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Speaker 7: So that is the first way of growing.

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Speaker 15: If Commons Bank ever came back, would you be interested

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Speaker 7: Well, we also have a huge deposit base. Together it

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Speaker 6: But I think we have shown also during the recent

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Speaker 6: I think the full focus of Deutsche Bank is in

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Speaker 6: we have a returnal equity of larger than ten percent

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