WEBVTT - Lady Cheesecake Factory 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:06.680 Ladies and gentlemen. For tonight's entertainment, I present to you 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:09.360 West Side Story. I will be playing all the parts. 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.520 It's an interesting share impression. Well, it's yeah, I kind 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:14.840 of sound like maybe it's it's giving like some kind 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:26.720 of some kind of sesame street characters in there. You 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.800 know that I am a musical theater girl, right like, Well, 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:35.040 I'm okay, let me clarify. I'm a reformed musical theater girl. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.519 I think I also, I guess self identify as a well, 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.680 maybe not reformed musical theater girl, but a recovering musical. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:43.800 Recovering is a good way to put it, because it 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.640 is a disease that we will be dealing with all 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.640 of our lives. So I guess it's appropriate that we 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.080 are talking about the biggest movie musical of the moment, 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.200 West Side Story, in fact, one of the most famous 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.680 musicals of all time, dare we say? And she is 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.760 back in the conversation, back in the spotlight thanks to 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.880 the recent adaptation, And you, before seeing the new Spielberg film, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.960 had never seen West Side Story. I was a true virgin. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.000 I'm so excited to unpack that because this is like 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.760 a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.399 today's takes. I'm ros dam you and I'm for in Toronto, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:29.279 and before we decides if we're the Sharks or the Jets, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.640 we're going to talk about today's pop culture amazing. Let 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:42.360 me just pop half an atty and going. Our news 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.600 section today is mostly just what we have been watching 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.840 on TV because I don't know that in the current 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.000 state of the world that either of us are doing much. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.200 Although you, you know, you newly are a toot toot 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.200 bee beep girl, so I guess you've been, you know, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.520 zooming around town, zooming around in town, making my way 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.920 down to the car impoundment lot where my car got 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:08.800 towed because everyone that was my fault. So I showed 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.800 up to friends the other night. We were going yeah, yeah, 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:13.800 I shut up to Franz the other night because we 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:17.480 were I thought we were going to watch and just 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.040 like that and a Marvel movie to prepare for our 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.840 upcoming Marvel episode with Jill Can Booster. But I've got 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.760 to france apartment to have them say that their car 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.000 had just been impounded. And then and then I learned 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.440 from you but Trayer that you had already watched and 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:39.080 just like that, Um, right, right, well the boy Is 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.560 We watched and just like that, and I felt like 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.600 Steve is really done dirty to see Steve. David Eigenberg, 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:49.079 the actor who plays Steve, should sue HBO for the 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.240 literal character assassination they are pulling on Steve, because, like, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.800 I get that these characters have aged and there are 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.880 different people, but that is not Steve. That's not Steve. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.480 I was reading about how David actually has hearing loss 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:09.640 in real life and that's why they decided to write 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.200 it into the character. But the way they're writing it 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.400 is offensive and it doesn't contribute anything at all. It's honestly, like, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.960 not even his hearing that is I think the problem 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.840 with how he's being portrayed, like him turning up at 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.640 the farmers market and being like, oh I forgot my wallet, 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.640 um at the pickle stand or whatever. It's just so 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.960 not the Steve that we knew, and it feels like 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:38.000 a betrayal of all of the time we put into 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.680 that relationship and all the time we've spent being horny 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:47.720 for Steve. Steve was always really good to Miranda, and 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.360 the first movie is about him cheating on her and 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.560 like them deciding to like stay in their marriage. And 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.360 I think like one of the hallmarks of their relationship 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:02.440 is they've, oh, has had really good sex. And I mean, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.280 I think the scene where they tried to fuck in 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.600 the kitchen like was actually kind of it was so great. Um, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.920 someone I followed TikTok was saying, you can't watch and 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.040 just like that, as if it is a reboot of 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.280 Sex in the City, you have to watch it, as 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.760 if it is a show with completely new characters who 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.560 you have no context for, and just like take it 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.480 at face value and it will vastly improve your enjoyment 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.920 of watching it. And I think that might be how 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.360 I mean to start approaching And just like that, I do. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.599 I do not know if I would be invested in 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.120 a lot of these characters if they weren't connected to 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.760 a cinematic universe that I was already in love with. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.239 I I think that honestly, it feels like I'm watching 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.279 Are You the One? Season eight again, and I feel 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:47.000 like what is happening here is sh Ideas is the 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:51.480 one that Miranda thinks she's in love with thinks is 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.920 like because because she's doing weed. Yes, because she's doing 0:04:55.960 --> 0:05:01.599 so much. I need to know I've done strong. What 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:07.719 strain of weed is JD as smoking? Because smoking a 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.280 dent THC counts TIVA because like almost in the same 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.719 way that Shad is like a caricature of a queer 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:20.279 non binary podcaster, the caricature of like a stoner, which 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.280 is I thought we were done with that, and like, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.880 weed doesn't do that to you. Any of the behaviors 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.680 that Miranda and Cha are like exhibiting cannot be explained 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.520 away by being two stoned. Yeah, don't use weed as 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.320 an excuse for your shortcomings, especially in such a lazy 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.320 writing thing. Yeah, especially people that say, you know, they 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.360 didn't finish a Marvel movie because they were too stone 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.760 They fell asleep during Twilight because they were too stoned. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:51.400 Like grow up right, Yeah, maybe you should look in 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.280 the mirror, Arangela. I have to say, the biggest thing 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:58.719 on my mind is Yellow Jackets. I must tell the 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.000 Virgins that I did watched the entire series in the 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.560 week since we last spoke. Thank god, I'm so happy. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.560 Top line finale. I was a little disappointed, extreme I 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.000 was extremely disappointed. To me, it was not a finale 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.680 at all. The way I've been trying to think about 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:20.159 it is I guess this isn't the kind of show 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:26.560 we were all saying it was, because everyone, especially the 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.560 people who have been watching it week to week, a 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.760 huge part of the online discourse about it has been 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:37.159 theorizing what was going to happen and like you know, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:41.560 what's the symbol? And is Jackie live? And like who 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.680 killed Travis? And like like the questions, a lot of questions, 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.920 a lot of mysteries, and I think we were all 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.240 expecting the finale was going to answer those questions and 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.080 it really didn't. The only question it answered is like 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:59.800 how Jackie died, which was sorry lame because when I so, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.720 I didn't hear like your conspiracy theories. I legitimately didn't 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.040 listen to that part of our podcast, but like we 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.200 did talk a little bit about what we could think 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.600 could happen in the finale, and what I said to 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.760 you is, I was like, when you were like, Jackie's 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.760 not dead, I was like, I think it might be 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.920 something worse than death, you know what I mean? And 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.040 I think you know, the way she did die is 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.360 kind of that, but it was very anticlimactic. Yeah, well 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.520 that's what I'm saying is like, I think we're looking 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.560 at the show the wrong way, and it's not a 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:34.080 show that's concerned with setting up big mysteries and then 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:38.560 answering them. It's really it's it's yeah, it's not who 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.600 done it. It's like a character study of these traumatized, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.440 fucked up women. And I think it like, instead of 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:51.880 going for the plot satisfaction of answering all those questions, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:56.840 it gave us the like emotional quote unquote satisfaction of 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.440 that really like gut wrenching moment when Shanna find Jackie 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:05.240 buried in the snow, and it is choosing character over 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:09.320 like some kind of twisty thriller who Done It? And 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.480 like I do understand that. At the same time, like 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.880 I don't think that's the ending that they were setting 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.560 up throughout the season, and that's why it feels disappointing. 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.320 So I just think, like there could have been a 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:26.720 more satisfying wrap up. I did like some things, like 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:30.520 I thought Tyson's wife finding her like Altar with the 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.880 doghead was like really good, and like I think a 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.800 lot of us called like weeks ago that she definitely 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.800 killed a dog. So I wondered like, does that mean 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.960 she was part of the cult on the island who 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.800 kidnapped Natalie. I guess Lottie like is going to be 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.120 a bigger character than maybe some of us expected. I 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.440 felt like right away from the beginning that Lottie was 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.800 going to be like the deer head leader or be 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.960 like this kind of quasi cult leader that creates a 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.760 division in the island. Sorry, not on an island. It's 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.560 keep thinking it's lost, but like this, this is gonna 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.840 be seasons of them stuck in the wilderness. Okay, Like, 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.199 what do you think is going to happen next season? 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.720 I think that the people that captured Natalie are Yellow 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.000 Jackets conspiracy theorists, Like there are people that are obset 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:29.080 that are obsessed with the lore and mythology surrounding the 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.319 Yellow Jackets girls, because it's like a haunted thing that 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.640 happened in this town. And so I think these like 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:38.280 haunted conspiracy theorists have been at play in killing Travis 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.760 in like the symbols that it keep like popping up everywhere. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.120 I think it's just an entity that is going to 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.440 be part of like the villainy of season two that 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.600 was never in season Why interesting. What do you think? 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.680 I kind of feel like we're going to find out 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:56.520 that Lordie also survived, and you know, because she's extremely wealthy, 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.400 like runs some kind of like shadowy organization and is 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.720 still doing all the like weird ritual stuff back on 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.360 the mainland. You know, I think that that the idea 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.640 of her orchestrating all of this is like that is 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.640 so spot on, it makes complete sense. I love we'll 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:17.600 see and like, what nineties icon actress is going to 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.520 play older Lottie? Yeah, especially now that the show is 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.280 a hit, like they have to get someone that is 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.640 on the Christina Ricci level, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, virgins, 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.640 you should give us your picks for older Lotties. Who's 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.079 your pick for older Lottie? And why is it Dakota Johnson. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.600 Dakota Johnson is not old enough? I completely disagree. I 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.600 think she's not her forties or fifties. I think she 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.040 could be forties or fifties if she wanted to, but 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.240 she's not. I don't think she's like the Bill of Like, 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:56.640 I think they need another iconic nineties actress like Christina Ricci. Okay, 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:03.360 so live Tyler. Yeah, I'm never not talking about I'm 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.160 just thinking of Burnett's. Um, I mean, when a writer 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.640 has already been used in the show like this, so 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.880 that wouldn't really make sense. Who else is of that? 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.240 Like kind of kitchy like late nineties like weird girl core, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:20.040 Heather's era. Let's get Nev Campbell in it. Nev Campbell, 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:24.080 But Nev Campbell looks too much like Julia from the 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.800 Crowd honestly, no offense, but like Juliette Louis kind of 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.760 looks like Nev Campbell. If like Nev Campbell, like I 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.240 don't know, was like shrunken a little bit, can you 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:38.240 know what I mean? Um, I am aware that you 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.679 still haven't watched Euphoria, which is I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.200 reserve my commentary because I'm gathering energy from you that 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.640 you are maybe actually going to watch. I am going 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:51.640 to watch it at some point. I'm just not in 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.160 a rush to watch it. Yes, you know what I 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.520 am watching on HBO that I don't think you're watching 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.360 is the final season of Search Party. Oh. I actually 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:08.960 watched the first three episodes, so, UM, when I think 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:15.520 about end of the world satires and millennial commentaries, satires 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.800 I think that Search Party is like the most successful 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.520 one I can think of. I think that this season 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.200 is a really huge swing and a complete departure in 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.720 genre and even subject matter in a way that I appreciate. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.720 But I'm kind of having a harder time getting through 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.520 it because it is so off the rails. But there's 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.400 nothing that I'm disliking per se, especially when it comes 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:45.160 to like commentary about social media cults, which I mean, 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.120 that's the part of Search Party that I really like 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.320 is how just when you think like these characters have 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.760 made the worst decisions they possibly could, they're able to 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.240 take that to the next level. I love the idea 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.520 of Dory as like a cult leader figure because like, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.320 one of the things this the show has hit over 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.880 and over again is like her extreme narcissism and the 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.080 level to which it like has become harmful to like 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:17.400 her and others. So it makes total sense that there 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.120 would be people in the world who would find that 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:23.120 narcissism incredibly appealing, because that's how cults work. It is, 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.119 and it's it's funny how the narcissism of each individual 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.560 character creates these little swirls of like problems. Like I 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:37.640 love the Little Demonic Child. Um it's it's giving, It's 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.960 giving Orphan, Which did you know that there's a sequel 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:45.920 to Orphan coming out called Orphan First Kill. I'm never 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.880 going to see either of those movies. Well, that's disappointing 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.200 because Orphan is one of the best films ever made. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.120 Not to blow up your spot, but I am aware 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.240 also that you are watching a season of Drag Race 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.079 right now. Yeah. Well, I have been watching the new 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.760 season and I guess I was just like in the 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:06.160 mood to like binge something mindlessly that I could be 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.040 on my phone during for most of it. Um, so 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:14.079 I'm watching Drag Race UK season two. I've also already 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:20.160 forgotten every queen from the second episode of US fourteen. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.800 That's fine, I can help you run them down. There 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.000 was Maddie Morphous's straight Okay, I'm gonna give it. I'm 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.360 going to give a controversial opinion. You thought she was good. 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.480 I didn't think she was bad, and I also like 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.040 you wasn't bad. I also like didn't really have an 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:41.880 issue with her being on it because here's because let 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.760 me let me like give an explanation why I think 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.720 it's like it's weird when you consider the framing of 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.520 her as a straight man, and like the fact that 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.520 they keep bringing it up, and I wonder if that's 0:14:55.560 --> 0:15:00.600 more a production thing then it's her thing, because I 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.520 just like, obviously I'm not going to like ascribe any 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.880 kind of identity to her, but I feel like, if 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:12.600 you are doing that level of like gender fuckery, even 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:17.040 if you still like have heterosexual sex or like sex 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.080 with you know, the opposite gender whatever, you must identify 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.760 as like a little bit queer. That's why it's like 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.160 hard to watch because as much as I want to 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:32.280 believe that Maddie really is truly heterosexual, I just don't 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.560 understand the appeal of her art form if you aren't, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.840 as just as you said, at least a little bit queer, 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:39.720 which is why I loved that Rue right from the 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.560 jump kind of dragged her a little bit, like exposed 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.000 her in the workroom, immediately knowing full well that these 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.520 girls we're going to be like, what the fuck. Well, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.480 that's why I think it's a production thing, because like, yeah, 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.520 it is. I'm not saying we shouldn't like gate keep 0:15:55.440 --> 0:16:00.280 queer art too straight people, but it was such a 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.520 conversation when the casting was announced, and I just think 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.560 it's like a lot more benign than it is like 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.480 being kind of made out to be in the discourse. Yeah, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.520 as much as I hope that one of the girls 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.040 will come from Maddie in the way that we all 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.840 want to come from Maddie, I don't think any of 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.640 them are going to be that girl. But in Untucked, 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.760 when Maddie is trying to describe all these things about 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.320 being a straight person and drag, you can see just 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.000 the light leaving all of their eyes, like all of 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.440 them like nodding and smiling, trying to be like encouraged 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.080 and be like, yeah, girl, you're a great ally. We're 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.240 proud of you. Like you can tell a lot of 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.520 these girls have things that they're thinking that they're not 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.720 going to say because they're on reality television. We should 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:44.480 have been we should have been this time talking about 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.040 not Maddie morphosis but Angeria. Oh she was amazing. I 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.320 did I really kind of be Angeria versus corn Bread 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.120 In the final two. I thought Georgia's was so fun 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.360 to watch, like high energy perform. You know who I 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.000 was confused by was a lady Amden, because like I 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.880 feel like that's the equivalent of someone being like, I 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.360 live in London, but I was born in New York 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.920 City and my name is Lady St Mark's you know something. 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.280 It's like, it's just stupid. I mean, not to get cute, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.280 but like I was like, you're not I mean, you're American, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.080 but you're not. It was confused. My name is Lady 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:31.040 Times Square. Yeah, I'm Lady Universal Studios, CityWalk. I'm Lady 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:50.640 Oh my god, Lady cheese Gg Factory. Okay. So I 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:56.600 was like pretty ambivalent about even seeing The West Side 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.040 Story remain. I think we were a little excited. I 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:05.080 a little, but not I think the level I would 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:09.160 have liked to be considering the fact that I love 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.360 the original so much, I didn't know what could be 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.360 improved upon. But I mean, obviously there's a lot of 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.480 stuff about the original West Side Story that's bad through 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.200 the lens of today, but it's such an amazing film, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:28.239 and it just felt like a weird retreading. But like, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.680 generally I did like the movie. You went in with 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.439 no totally in the hands of Steven Spielberg Antony Kushner, 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:40.359 where you like this is like I trust this, or 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.480 where you immediately like have it have it feel a 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.440 type of way about either of them. Um, Spielberg felt 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.359 like a weird person to be doing it because I'm like, 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.800 I guess his career is so weird to me, Like 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.159 he comes out every couple of years with like what 0:18:55.320 --> 0:19:01.119 seemed to be very like narratively disconnected movie is like 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:09.280 ET two AI to West Side Story. Also, he did 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.919 Rogue Player one right, that was him Shutter Island, Like 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.800 what what is he? What is he making movies about 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.200 besides just making like big spectacle blockbusters that come out 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.120 on Christmas he famously or not famously. He did say 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.280 in interviews that he had been wanting to make West 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.680 Side Story since he was ten, which I was hard 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:35.520 to say. Sorry, sorry to say it, Um, But maybe 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:38.199 Tony Kushner hadn't inducted him into the Fago tree that 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.760 is this musical because it was concepted by four you know, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:45.200 affluent white Jewish gays. Anyways, what were you expecting going 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:49.920 into it? Like, knowing kind of nothing about the musical? 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.239 You know, my full pretty much, my full context of 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.040 the musical came from that one time that Share played 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.840 all the parts? Do do you know? Yes? I know 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.119 I did actually learned quite a lot from that performance 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.359 of it, like it kind of top lines the plot, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.439 which is for the virgins, I guess an adaptation of 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.760 Romeo and Juliet, but it's kind of like whites versus 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:15.000 Puerto Ricans as these two like street gangs. These are 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.760 white and Puerto Rican street gang, the Sharks and the Jets, 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.320 and two of the characterists fall in love and that 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:28.160 creates the Romeo Juliet capulate versus Montague kind of scenario. Yeah, 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:30.879 if you have never seen West Side Story or Romeo 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.480 and Juliet, like that is the basis of it. It 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.840 is star cross lovers who can't be together because their 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:41.720 families hate each other, and then one and then there's 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.080 death at the end, death to all of them. But yeah, exactly, 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:50.240 and you know my literally everyone dies. Yeah, I mean 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.960 that's Shakespeare. Shakespeare was kind of the George R. Martin 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.680 of his time. He just loved to kill everyone's favorite 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.320 I'm being facetious. Is just that George Armartin loves to 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.520 kill your favorite character. He was the m c U 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:09.520 time if Shakespeare even existed. Yeah, I wonder Shakespeare. I mean, 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.960 Shakespeare didn't really create a cinematic University. He didn't really 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:19.120 loop any of the s s tu the Shakespeare theatrical universe. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.560 We'll get we'll get back to Shakespeare. But anyways, so 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.439 I have I have a long history with West Side Story. 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:32.080 You don't have, um. Weirdly enough, West Side Story is 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.600 like inextricably linked to the Rocky Horror Picture Show for me, 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.239 because I had the vhs of both of them when 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.720 I was a kid, and it was like when I 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.639 was like trying to fall asleep every night when I 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.120 was in middle school, I would put on either West 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:50.359 Side Story or Rocky Horror Picture Show and that was 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.160 what would lull me to sleep. And it was like 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.880 one night to the other, it was either of those. 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:59.200 So I have a lot of love for the original, 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.199 even though I know it's like very problematic, like the 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.040 brown face and it is what it is. It is 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:11.360 what it is and Natalie and Natalie Wood isn't singing. Um. 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:17.359 So I guess, like I understood why why you can 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.080 make the argument for the need for a new version 0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:26.399 of West Side Story. But I guess, like to me, 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:28.359 the thing was like, Okay, if we're going to do 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.679 a new one, why do it in the most obvious 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.560 way as like a big budget Steven Spielberg movie, like 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.720 do something a little more interesting, because in recent years 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:42.920 there have been like there was a Broadway revival of it, 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.800 or like an off Broadway revival that was pretty popular, 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.520 although there was like something problematic with it, like someone 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:53.439 in the cast had like it was maybe like a 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.399 sexual assaulter. And then that happened that the lin Manuel 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:00.080 Miranda one wasn't no, and then that happened again in 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.240 the movie because of Ansel l Gort who right, yeah, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:07.280 who was amazing that he had a beautiful singing voice. 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:10.880 I thought he sounded pretty good. His voice was gore, 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:14.440 I mean, coming off of Incanto, I was like, wow, 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.560 these are some pipes. Anyways, Okay, let's talk about let's 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.199 talk about the movie. Let's talk about you know what, 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.280 what did you like? What did you get from it? 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.280 I actually quickly have to when while we're talking about 0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:30.080 like context for West Side Story, this is relevant. My 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:34.240 mom played Anita in her high school production of West 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:38.640 Side Story. Like yeah, way back when, but growing up, 0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:43.000 my mom told us all that she was Maria because 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.040 I think she was ashamed to be like this kind 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.800 of ravishing game. You know kind of character, or maybe 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:52.240 she just wanted you to think she got the lead 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.080 because well, well know, I mean the other thing is 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.720 my mom. But Anita is the better role my mom. 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.000 Anita has the best song. I agree with you, however, America, 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.479 my mom, this is honestly reintroducing my mother and as 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.880 a character, and on this podcast, my mom was ashamed 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.399 of what was a stereotypical kind of like feisty, sexy 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.280 Regan woman and Anita in the o G. Not so 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.399 much in the new adaptation. But in the O G 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:16.679 she's supposed to be kind of like a almost like 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.119 a bimbo. She's supposed to be very you know, so 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.280 like kind of saucy. Um. I don't know. I think 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:26.760 the way that she's written is pretty like Anita gets 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.760