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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. For tonight's entertainment, I present to you

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Speaker 1: West Side Story. I will be playing all the parts.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting share impression. Well, it's yeah, I kind

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Speaker 1: of sound like maybe it's it's giving like some kind

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Speaker 1: know that I am a musical theater girl, right like, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, let me clarify. I'm a reformed musical theater girl.

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Speaker 1: I think I also, I guess self identify as a well,

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Speaker 1: maybe not reformed musical theater girl, but a recovering musical.

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Speaker 1: Recovering is a good way to put it, because it

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Speaker 1: is a disease that we will be dealing with all

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Speaker 1: of our lives. So I guess it's appropriate that we

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Speaker 1: are talking about the biggest movie musical of the moment,

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Speaker 1: West Side Story, in fact, one of the most famous

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Speaker 1: musicals of all time, dare we say? And she is

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Speaker 1: back in the conversation, back in the spotlight thanks to

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Speaker 1: the recent adaptation, And you, before seeing the new Spielberg film,

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Speaker 1: had never seen West Side Story. I was a true virgin.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to unpack that because this is like

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Speaker 1: a virgin the show where we give yesterday's pop culture

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Speaker 1: today's takes. I'm ros dam you and I'm for in Toronto,

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Speaker 1: and before we decides if we're the Sharks or the Jets,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today's pop culture amazing. Let

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Speaker 1: me just pop half an atty and going. Our news

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Speaker 1: section today is mostly just what we have been watching

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Speaker 1: on TV because I don't know that in the current

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Speaker 1: state of the world that either of us are doing much.

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Speaker 1: Although you, you know, you newly are a toot toot

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Speaker 1: bee beep girl, so I guess you've been, you know,

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Speaker 1: zooming around town, zooming around in town, making my way

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Speaker 1: up to friends the other night. We were going yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that and a Marvel movie to prepare for our

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Speaker 1: upcoming Marvel episode with Jill Can Booster. But I've got

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Speaker 1: to france apartment to have them say that their car

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Speaker 1: had just been impounded. And then and then I learned

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Speaker 1: from you but Trayer that you had already watched and

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Speaker 1: We watched and just like that, and I felt like

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Speaker 1: Steve is really done dirty to see Steve. David Eigenberg,

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Speaker 1: the actor who plays Steve, should sue HBO for the

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Speaker 1: literal character assassination they are pulling on Steve, because, like,

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Speaker 1: I get that these characters have aged and there are

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Speaker 1: different people, but that is not Steve. That's not Steve.

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Speaker 1: I was reading about how David actually has hearing loss

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Speaker 1: in real life and that's why they decided to write

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Speaker 1: it into the character. But the way they're writing it

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Speaker 1: a betrayal of all of the time we put into

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Speaker 1: that relationship and all the time we've spent being horny

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Speaker 1: like them deciding to like stay in their marriage. And

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Speaker 1: I think like one of the hallmarks of their relationship

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Speaker 1: the mirror, Arangela. I have to say, the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: Top line finale. I was a little disappointed, extreme I

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Speaker 1: was extremely disappointed. To me, it was not a finale

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Speaker 1: theorizing what was going to happen and like you know,

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear like your conspiracy theories. I legitimately didn't

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Speaker 1: I think that the people that captured Natalie are Yellow

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Speaker 1: is the final season of Search Party. Oh. I actually

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Speaker 1: nothing that I'm disliking per se, especially when it comes

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Speaker 1: the performances and hearing the music for the first time

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00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: in that capacity, like hearing it all together, which I

428
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: had never experienced before. I think was just there were

429
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: moments that just left me literally breathless. Like I thought

430
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: that so many elements of like the songs and how

431
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: these characters like came together were really beautiful. I thought

432
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: that kind of the attention to try and update some

433
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: of West Side story and inject like a little more

434
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote authenticity into the narrative. I despite critics, I

435
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: actually felt like a lot of those moments were successful.

436
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: Do I think that the show is an overall authentic

437
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: portrayal of Puerto Rican's No, not at all, um, But

438
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: I do think the things that they tried to improve,

439
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: um were like pretty good. Did you notice any of

440
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: the things that they like tried to update by chance?

441
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: I think I was mostly focused on the ways they

442
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: tried to my den eyes it in terms of the

443
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: romance of it, which, well you know that. I think

444
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: they try to make the case for why Tony and

445
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Maria like are so in love, That's why they have

446
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: them go on that date to the Cloisters. But it's like,

447
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I saw this movie on Christmas with

448
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: my best friend Ryan, and he made this point, which

449
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: is that the melodrama of West Side Story and like

450
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: the Shakespearean aspect of it is what lets you excuse

451
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: the fact that the day after Maria meets this boy,

452
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: she fux him after he kills her brother. And like,

453
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: it's only through like the grandiosity and like suspension of

454
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: disbelief that you allow yourself to be okay with that

455
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: as an audience member. And in this movie, with them

456
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: trying to make it more realistic, it's harder to sell

457
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: that be because it it is attempting to be more grounded.

458
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: And because of that, I'm like, why did she just

459
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: fuck him after he told her he killed her brother? Yeah,

460
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: there's just no real way to like, honestly, this is

461
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: we're giving notes to Shakespeare at this point. Let me like,

462
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: I feel, I think this isn't no because Shakespeare isn't

463
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: right because you believe it in Shakespeare, but in this

464
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: movie that's trying to be realistic, I don't believe it.

465
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: I also just like didn't I didn't think they had

466
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: good chemistry. I didn't believe their love story. I okay,

467
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: a few things here I didn't so original. Shakespeare doesn't

468
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: sell me on that that romance. So that's where I'm

469
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: coming from. I I do love like we'll get into

470
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: like other adaptations Romeo plus Julie, et cetera. I think

471
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: that there are versions of Romeo and Juliet that like,

472
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: I love. However, I do think that it's it's a

473
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: really tough source material to modernize in terms of like

474
00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: emotional honesty, like emotional coherency, to to pull off just

475
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: as you said, I fucked this guy that killed my

476
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: brother one day ago, you know what I mean, and

477
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: that now we're married. It's a lot, and I honestly

478
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: feel like so I watched it with our friend, Justin,

479
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: my one of my best friends, and he was a true, true,

480
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: true version. I at least had like some context of

481
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: the of the show. Justin knew nothing about West Side story,

482
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: and so the gymnasium scene, like the school dance, which

483
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: I think is actually the best scene in the new remake,

484
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: the second Maria and Tony like start to fall in love,

485
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: Justin turns to me and he's like no, he like

486
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: had no idea, and he was like, wait, this is bad,

487
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: like and I was like, yeah, dog, Like that's the

488
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: CONCEI of the whole dog. Yeah, I said, yeah, dog,

489
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: that's like the consie of the whole thing. It was

490
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: so watching him digest it was really entertaining. And when

491
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: we left the theater, the first thing he said was,

492
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy that he killed her brother and

493
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: she still wanted to be with him in the end.

494
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, I think that's, you know,

495
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: an issue with the Shakespeare. And he goes, what do

496
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: you mean, and I was like, oh, it's an adaptation

497
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: of Romeo and Juliet. And so I felt like that

498
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: was a testament actually to what what's really difficult to

499
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: pull off, which is that if for some reason someone

500
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: going into it doesn't know that it's an adaptation of Shakespeare,

501
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: which I think Justin is a very rare case of that,

502
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: it is actually really confusing to watch. Don't you think

503
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: like if you were watching without knowing that, I think

504
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: so because you I think if you went in totally blind,

505
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: you would not understand a single choice that's being made exactly. Okay,

506
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: there are things I did like about it. Okay, so

507
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: what it looked nice? I guess, um, you're like muscling

508
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: through giving trying to give Tony Kushner a compliment. Arianna

509
00:30:54,080 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: Debos was amazing. She is incredible, and I thought she

510
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: brought life to this character. And Anita is my favorite

511
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: character in the West Side Story and has America was

512
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: always my favorite number from the show growing up, and

513
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I thought that was done so well. Um. I thought

514
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: Rachel Ziegler was good. She's you know, has a very

515
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: pretty voice. I thought the show in general was kind

516
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: of perfectly near perfectly cast. I think some people are

517
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: mad that, like, it wasn't all Puerto Ricans, like Rachel

518
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: Ziegler's Colombian. Not everyone in the cast was perto Rican,

519
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: but like, I felt like everyone's great. Even Bernardo was great. Um,

520
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: the guy who's the other, the leader of the jets,

521
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: he and I mean he and Bernardo should have kissed.

522
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: They should have. The vibe was there. Oh and Rita moreno,

523
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Basically Rita gave me the hardest cries

524
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: I felt throughout the real I did not. Okay, here's

525
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: the thing. I did not feel one single emotion throughout

526
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: the entire thing. Didn't cry. It didn't it was nice.

527
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: It did not move me. And West Side Story should

528
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: move you, Yeah, it should. I felt nothing. I had

529
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: to pee. That was all I felt. Really, my emotional

530
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: response to it was like I think, in large part

531
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: because I had never seen it before. When I left

532
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: the theater, that's when I started to digest more and

533
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: more what I watched and feel like less enthusiastic about

534
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: it as just like a cultural object. Like I I

535
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that I didn't like,

536
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: but I think it starts with like the things that

537
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: they tried to fix, which I think our valiant efforts

538
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: still didn't really sail for me, Like like the this

539
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Tony coming back to his best friend Riff and like

540
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: Rita Mano's like I guess, like his like kind of

541
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: mentor whatever. There's this like thin critique of the Carcelral

542
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: system going on like that Tony's like back from jail

543
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: and he doesn't want to go, you know, back into

544
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: the doghouse. So what was a good number was Officer

545
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: crub Key? So you liked all of Officer crub Key? Yeah,

546
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I liked the group numbers. I did think the choreography

547
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: could have been better. I agree. I I don't think

548
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: they wanted to like dress up you know, Jerome Robbins

549
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: too much. Like I feel like they just wanted to,

550
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, keep it to what it was supposed to be.

551
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I felt like to me

552
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: the gymnasium scene was a lot, but Officer crup Key specifically,

553
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: which had high involvement of the new edition of this

554
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: trans character, which we should talk about, I thought, was

555
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: like kind of fine. It's interesting to me that, like

556
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: in the original, Officer crub Key is kind of this, like,

557
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: what's what's so funny? I'm just thinking about the trans

558
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: thing now, It's just so funny. Why is it funny

559
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: to you? I just like I had no idea that

560
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: was a thing going into it and didn't know. And

561
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: I'm shocked like that I wasn't more aware of it,

562
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: that it wasn't like a conversation, and that there wasn't

563
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: like someone on Twitter like not my West Side Story

564
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I think that's kind of a testament

565
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: to how benign it really was, Like it really is

566
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: like I think I would. It feels like lip service,

567
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: and I feel a type of way way of it

568
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: because there were so many articles and so many press

569
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: releases about the new edition of the trans character the

570
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: West Side Story, and like all these I didn't sa.

571
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: That makes me feel really happy about the state but

572
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: my algorithm is in that it knows I don't want

573
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: no discourse. But for those of you that don't know,

574
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: there's a character in the O G. West Side Story

575
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: called anybody so who. I don't think that. I don't

576
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: think their name is ever even mentioned in the original.

577
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: But anyways, it's this girl quote unquote in the original

578
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: that wants to be a part of the boy gang.

579
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: And in the new version they basically make him a

580
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: trans guy who is trying to affirm his gender by

581
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: being a part of this gang um. But in Officer

582
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: cub Keys specifically, he kind of like, you know, plays

583
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: around with the guys at a moment where someone like

584
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: he's trying to correct someone like basically calling him a girl.

585
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is all very interesting, And

586
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: then they sing Officer krub Key and still included. Even

587
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: though a lot of lyrics were edited in the adaptation,

588
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: but they didn't take out the transphobic lyric in this song.

589
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: Did you notice that there's a transphobic lyric where they

590
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: say my sister wears a mustache, my brother wears a dress,

591
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: and how it's like a big it's like a the

592
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: reason their family is sucked up and they're all sucked up.

593
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: And I was like, the trans person is literally in

594
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: this scene. And you had the foresight to edit these

595
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: other problematic like lyrics, but not this one. Where did

596
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: the trans character come from? Like was Stephen Sondheim like

597
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: we have to make this character trans? Or was someone

598
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: like we have to put a trans character and that

599
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: was Tony Kushner. I think Stephen, Stephen Sondheim and Tony

600
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Kushner were on one because they swooped in and they

601
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: were like, whoa, this is already extremely problematic, but it's

602
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: like totally our dream to make this musical, so let's

603
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: do it and like the wokest way possible. That's kind

604
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: of what it felt like. And I think the trans

605
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: character is a is a Kushner edition it was. I

606
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: wanted to nuance it. I do think like it. They

607
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: took Jade as as woke like applied momentum. Hey, it's

608
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: but I don't think the trans character was actually like unearned,

609
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: like if you look at the source material. I didn't

610
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: mind it. Yeah, it was just a weird choice. Yeah,

611
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: but there are other things. It's like, you know, there's

612
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: a moment where all of the sharks sing the version

613
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: of like the Puerto Rican anthem that's like the revolutionary version.

614
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: It's like the pre kind of updated version where they

615
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: talk about like taking out their machetes and how they

616
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: want it's about like overthrowing the government kind of. And

617
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: so the fact that they inserted that was like a

618
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: pretty big like wink, Like they hired a lot They

619
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: obviously hired like a lot of consultants of this project.

620
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: Rita Moreno was also an EP, and I think that

621
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: given her history, like she's so consistently vocal about things

622
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: that bothered her about West Side Story in general, that

623
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: I am sure that she probably had heavy insight and

624
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: how the adaptation was created. I liked that they what

625
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: they did with Doc as a character, making it Rita

626
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: having her sing somewhere um and like her being the

627
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: one that like rescues Anita from her assault, which is,

628
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: you know, a tough scene to watch. But again, Ariana

629
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: Debo is like so good. I'm I'm just like so

630
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: excited for her in her career and like she had

631
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: such a great year last year between this and Shmia

632
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: dude for the Okay, So for the virgins that don't

633
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: know the Doc character in West side story is basically

634
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: like the apothecary guy in Romeo and Juliet who bestows

635
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: the poison to both of them question Mark, and they're like, hey, here, here, here,

636
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: teens have this like elixir so you can have your

637
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: suicide pack. Like this is gonna be Like that's literally

638
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: his whole role. So I guess in the updated version

639
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: is just like you know, a quack doctor just given

640
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: out prescriptions. Um, well not actually, but it should have.

641
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that to me is like what you said earlier

642
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: about how they didn't take it fair enough. I totally agree.

643
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: Like I feel like if they're gonna do it like

644
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: it should be or could have been, like much more

645
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: radically reimagined, like almost the way that Romeo plus Juliet

646
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: did it, which is one of your favorite movies. Oh absolutely.

647
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: I I love Shakespeare, let's get that out of the way.

648
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm a Shakespeare girl. When I was in fifth grade,

649
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: I found the complete works of William Shakespeare on my

650
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: dad's bookcase and just like, read it, read the whole thing,

651
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: nerd um. And I have loved Shakespeare ever since. And

652
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: like that came out like around that age, and I've

653
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: always been obsessed with Shakespeare. Juliette is my middle name

654
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: that I did pick for myself, which is beautiful. Yeah

655
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: it's a little corny, but whatever. Um yeah, I love

656
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: love Shakespeare. What's your favorite Shakespeare it is? I think

657
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: we have this same one. I think it's I think

658
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: it's Midsummer, followed closely maybe by Winter's Tale minus, followed

659
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: closely by The Tempest, Love the Tempest. I think The

660
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: Timis is a little boring. I think it's like his

661
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: weirdest play, which is why I really like it, and

662
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: his last play, which is also a reason that I

663
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: love it. Shakespeare works in multiple genres. It's like romance, comedies, tragedy, comedies, tragedies, histories, comedies, histories, tragedies,

664
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: and problem place. The ones that he like didn't finish,

665
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: I guess. And also they don't fit into or the

666
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: whoever Shakespeare was although you know, because they're all those

667
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: theories about like was Shakespeare real? Like was it written

668
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: by a woman? Are there many Shakespeare's? Shakespeare in Love?

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00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: Um right, I do love Shakespeare and love I watched

670
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: it kind of recently. I haven't watched an ages. I

671
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: would love to watch it for goop and goop alone.

672
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: That's how you called Gne. You call her she goes

673
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: by group. She's good in it. It's just like she

674
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: should not have won an Oscar for it. She won

675
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: an Oscar one Best Actress. That must have been a

676
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: slow year. No, it was because Harvey Weinstein campaigns really

677
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: hard for it. That makes sense, though, I mean corruption

678
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: will always win. Um, what okay, So what's your favorite

679
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: Shakespeare adaptation? I mean I think it's the same as you.

680
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: I think it's it's Romeo plus Juliet or She's the Man.

681
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: I was just about to say fallow Gloves. Yeah, yeah,

682
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: She's the Man, I think, which is an adaptation of

683
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: twelfth Night. Yes, famously. Um, I mean Shakespeare, like Shakespeare

684
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: is so gay. There's always cross dressing. There's the implicit

685
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: gayness of the cross dressing on stage. Because if I

686
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: don't know, if you if you skipped history, Um, at

687
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: the time that shakespeare plays were you know, being produced

688
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: while he was alive, women were not allowed to be

689
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: in the theata. That's why the women were played by men.

690
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: Shakespeare is very gay. Well, that's why Shakespeare wrote it.

691
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: It's like he was trying to fulfill his like you know,

692
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: fantasy of like men kissing by have these men play

693
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: women on stage. He's basically like a medieval version of

694
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: when you make your two tender kiss. Yeah, yeah, you

695
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Do you like McBeth? Have you watched?

696
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Are you? Do you plan to watch the Tragedy of Macbeth? Um?

697
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: Probably not, because they use the O G dialogue, right.

698
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: I think that that I um a D H D

699
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: kid had a really hard time with the original dialogue.

700
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: I think with Romeo plus Juliet, it's all imagistic to me, Like,

701
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: I I retain like the world building that bas Lamon does,

702
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: but like not a lot of what they're saying. Oh.

703
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: But I think that's one of the things that works

704
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: so well about Boss Lerman's Romeo and Juliet is that

705
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: it's the juxtaposition of the Shakespearean language with the contemporary imagery.

706
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: And like what he did so well was make that

707
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: language feel authentic to the action that was happening, and

708
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: like it's not restrictive, it doesn't keep you from understanding

709
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: what's going on. And I think it's all it's like

710
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: in the direction, it's in the way it's performed. Really,

711
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: Shakespeare was like what made me fall in love with language.

712
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Like in addition to his plays, I really loved his sonnets.

713
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: You know, I took a lot. I did a lot

714
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: of Shakespeare when I was like, you know, a theater kid.

715
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: Obviously gay sonnets. If I had stuck closer to theater

716
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: in college, I maybe to have like gone a Shakespearean root, oh,

717
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: like made it like a primary study. Yeah. Maybe I

718
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: took a lot of Shakespeare classes in college. Yeah, I

719
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: just I love the Bard and I say, I agree

720
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: with you on the bas Lerman movie. I think that

721
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: like that the way that they performances who work like

722
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: helps you understand the dialogue and are really beautiful. I

723
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: thought it was totally successful. It's definitely my favorite. And

724
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: that's seeing where they see where they see each other

725
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: for the first time, and um through the fish tank

726
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: is so perfect, and like Leo is so beautiful in it,

727
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: Claire Janes is so beautiful in it. They're both they

728
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: look they are the cutest lesbian couple ever. They really are. Oh,

729
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: speaking of back to She's the Man, did you know

730
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: that some of her best work it actually I'm not

731
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: you're saying it with yes, we are being I need

732
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: the Virgins to hear that we are actually being completely genuine.

733
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: That is a Manda Binds magnum opus, not just because

734
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: of her performance, because their performance What a Girl Wants

735
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: She's the Man. I used to watch What a Girl

736
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: Wants the TV show every day after school. I I

737
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: used to know, wait, do you mean the show that

738
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: she was in with? Oh? Right, it's about what I

739
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: like about you? What I like about about you. I

740
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: thought they were, for some reason the same story that

741
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: they spin off into a TV show. I have a

742
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: totally different things. Oh, I had no idea. I was

743
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: going to say, did you know that She's the Man

744
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: is the movie that Amanda Binds used to platform and

745
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: create Channing Tatum's career. Okay, so this is a really

746
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: good little tidbit. That's why we have Channing Tatum. Literally.

747
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: So Amanda Bindes talked about this in an interview. But

748
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: when she was working on She's the Man, she was

749
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: obviously like one of the most famous people on the planet.

750
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: She was like so prolific, she was making so many movies.

751
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: She was so beloved amongst generations that she had so

752
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: much hour when she was cast in this movie. The

753
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: romantically hadn't been cast. Yet at this point, Channing Tatum

754
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: has had a few cameos in like little movies. He

755
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: was on the famously the cover of Out magazine as

756
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: like a model wrestling one of these other fags that

757
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: have you seen that vintage Out magazine And so he's

758
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: literally pretty much undiscovered and they didn't want to cast

759
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: Channing Tatum and Amanda said no, no, no, they everyone's

760
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: going to fall in love with this guy, like trust me,

761
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: and they were issued at but she had so much

762
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: power at the time. They were like, we're going to

763
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: do what Amanda wants. We're gonna cast Channing Tana and

764
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: then his career was born. Another thing about Amana Biands

765
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: and She's the Man. So there's this TikToker Hello Taffy,

766
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: who does these really great series that are like deep

767
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: dives into pop culture. I would love to have her

768
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: on at some point. Um. And she did a series

769
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: on Amanda Binds recently and was talking about how Amanda

770
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: Byns was made incredibly dysphoric by watching She's the Man

771
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: and it would like kick started a lot of her

772
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: body image issues, like remember watching herself on screen as

773
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: a boy. Um, I'm just still actually really sad about

774
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: the unraveling of Amanda Bynes. Do you like this song?

775
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: I feel pretty okay. So this is a very contentious song.

776
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: And like the history and criticism of West Side Story?

777
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: Did you know that? I didn't? Okay, So this has

778
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: like a Sondheim connect But like, do you know how

779
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: they created West Side Story? Okay? So the four white

780
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: facts that created West Side Story Arthur Lawrence, Leonard Bernstein,

781
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: Jerome Robbins, and like Sondheim in his first ever project,

782
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: they all set out to write something that was about

783
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: Jewish discrimination. But they had been sorting through the story.

784
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: They're basically trying to break the story. They were like,

785
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of bros in like California trying

786
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: to like you know, make this musical happen. But they

787
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: couldn't crack what kind of the heart of the show

788
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: would be. And they pulled up like a completely random

789
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: newspaper article and like Los Angeles newspaper about a Latin

790
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: gang fight in San Bernardino that had happened like the

791
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: day before or whatever, and um, basically this is the

792
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: same time as Ration, which is like when all these

793
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: like Puerto Rican migrants, like hundreds of thousands and then

794
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: moved to America and primarily to New York, creating like

795
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: new Orrecans, and so there was like this public weariness

796
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: of like too many Puerto Ricans in America or whatever.

797
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: So all these stories about Latin gang fights were hitting

798
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: the newspapers, and these four guys found one of those

799
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: like newspaper articles, and they were like, wait, this like

800
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: Latin gang fight thing is like kind of the this

801
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: is kind of a story, Like this is a thing,

802
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: and like in like the kind of I guess biography

803
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: of Leonard Bernstein, they talked about how when they came

804
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: across this news article, they were like, oh, making it

805
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: about these teen gangs is going to make it much

806
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: more timely. And Leonard Bernstein literally said the whole Puerto

807
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: Rican thing had begun to explode, and like the biographer

808
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: even said like if they hadn't found this news article,

809
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't think the musical ever would have been written,

810
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: which is crazy. So it says a lot to how

811
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: the show was concepted that a lot of the characters

812
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: sing in these very operatic, like kind of aristocratic ways,

813
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: and I Feel Pretty was specifically one of those songs

814
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: that people would take issue with because they were like,

815
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: these are a bunch of Puerto Rican women singing like

816
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: white women, and what is that? But I feel I

817
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: guess I always felt like that was kind of the

818
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: point of I feel pretty like it's it's like, um,

819
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: it's like a pantomime in a way, and I do

820
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: think like they that's kind of how they approached it

821
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: in the movie is like Maria there, you know, cleaning

822
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: this department store, and she's like fantasizing about this perfect

823
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: life that you know she doesn't have. Right. Well, that

824
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: was the fix that Kushner and Spielberg tried to wedge

825
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: in because in the original they're not in like the

826
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: Gimbals department store. I think they're like at home or

827
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: something like that. But Sondheim himself like is less proud

828
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: of that work he talks about and he specifically points

829
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: the fact he says, um, the play on words in

830
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: Pretty Wonderful Boy drew attention to the lyric writer more

831
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: than intow attention to the character. He said, I had

832
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: hoped no one would notice anything but the cleverness of it.

833
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: I was wrong. And in this interview he literally throws

834
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 1: his other like like colleagues under the bus Like he

835
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: basically says that like he he was too young, and

836
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: he wanted to fix the lyrics and wanted to authenticate

837
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: and make it more true to the characters, and that

838
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: his the other guys on the show were much more

839
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: senior than him, which makes sense. Like basically, like basically,

840
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, Rue was like, which of these other girls

841
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: should go home tonight? And like Sonheim was like all

842
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: of them, like they suck and like they're the reason

843
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: that the musical is terrible. But to me, like this,

844
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: I never think of West Side Story as a Sondheim

845
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: musical because, like, you know, I think the works that

846
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: we really think of as Sondheim works are ones in which,

847
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: like he was totally in control during the music and lyrics.

848
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: But it's also such a testament to the fact that

849
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: he did have this incredibly long career and has truly

850
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: had a hand in shaping American musical theater exactly. And

851
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: I think that what he said about West Side Story

852
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: specifically is emblematic of the musicals he would go on

853
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: to create, which is characters that match the actual songs,

854
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: that match the actual lyrics, and all of that together

855
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: has a like a psychological honesty where in this is

856
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: like kind of I mean, you know more about musicals

857
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: than I do, but this is kind of the cusp

858
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: of whin Sonheim started to make more musicals like that

859
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: before that. It's like Rogerson, Hammerstein's, etcetera. Where it's like

860
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: we're cowboys and they're Indians and we're going to sing

861
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: a song about it and that and now we're in

862
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: love and that send do you know what I mean?

863
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: What's your favorite musical? Okay, come back to me, what's yours? Um?

864
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: Phantom of the Opera? Okay? Which is isn't it technically

865
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: an opera? I guess it's a music music, a musical opera.

866
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: It's a music. No, it's a musical okay because there's

867
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: dialogue and opera is has no dialogue. Oh right, yeah,

868
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah okay. Um. Wow, Phantom of the Opera is

869
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: your all times, all time fave. It is to me

870
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: everything musical theater should be. It is a spectacle. It's bombastic,

871
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous, it's overwrought. It's like I'm laughing, shooting, crying,

872
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: throwing up. Um. I saw it um when we were

873
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: in New York actually shooting um. Our cover art for

874
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: this podcast. Um. I saw that the night after it

875
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: had reopened on Broadway, and my friend and I were

876
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: in the rear mezzanine and still like got the full experience.

877
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Like it's one of those shows where there's not a

878
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: bad seat in the house because of how big of

879
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: a production it is. It is my favorite musical. Yeah,

880
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not really like an Andrew Lloyd Weber girl.

881
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: Like I don't like cats, I don't like Joseph Um,

882
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't like like Starlight Express, Jesus Christ Superstar. I

883
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: feel like if I watched Jesus Christ Superstar today, I

884
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: would really like it. But I don't think I've actually

885
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: ever in full If I were to think about my

886
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: favorite music hole that I've ever watched, I know that

887
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: the way you framed the question is stage musical, but

888
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: my answer is Mulan Bruge because it is the musical.

889
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: I do not acknowledge this, and it's now a stage.

890
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: I saw it. I saw it, and I liked it.

891
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: You shut the funk up right and I had a

892
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: good time. You you sit back. I can I can

893
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: really we are losing credibility. No, no, listen, I I

894
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: can really appreciate more like serious esoteric musical theater. But

895
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: I really like a big Broadway musical spectacle, Like you know,

896
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't love the format of the

897
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: jukebox musical necessarily, but I had fun at Mulan Rouge,

898
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: and like, if I'm having fun, then a musical is

899
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: doing its job. And it's not like I paid to

900
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: see it, so yeah, right or right would never pay

901
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: to see it. I actually I should see the Share

902
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: Show because maybe that I heard it was horrible. I

903
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: heard it was amazed. No no, no, I heard it

904
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: was like the worst thing ever. No no, no, I

905
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: could never I could never acknowledge that to be true.

906
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: Well it is, it is apparently true. I used to

907
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: see a lot of theater, you know, when I was

908
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: a freshman in college. Um, when I was a freshman

909
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: in college, I saw The Wedding Singer the musical eight times,

910
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: like one semester. It was a musical. Um, it was

911
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: a musical. My friend, uh, my my friend from college,

912
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: and I like became really obsessed with it and we

913
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: would go do the lottery like a couple of times

914
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: a week, which was like such a great thing about

915
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: like you know, being like living in New York when

916
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: I was, you know, after being a musical theater kid

917
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: in high school and moving to New York and then

918
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: like having access to see all this theater that I'd

919
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: only ever been able to see on like school trips

920
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: are like coming in you know when I was a kid. Um.

921
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, we were obsessed with The Wedding Singer the

922
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: musical and went to see eight times, and we used

923
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: to wait outside the stage door after every show, and

924
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: we like became friendly or so we thought with Amy Spanger,

925
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: who is like a Broadway icon, and one time she

926
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: was like, do you want to come backstage? And she

927
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: like brought us backstage and gave us a tour, which

928
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: was like really cool. I was not only like a

929
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: musical theater kid, but like I just loved Broadway and

930
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: I grew up, you know because I have a lot

931
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: of family in New York, and so we would go

932
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: visit them a couple of times a year, and my

933
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: grandparents would always bring me in to see a show,

934
00:55:37,200 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: and like that is where my love of theater comes from.

935
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: So this is the part of the podcast where we

936
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: dive into our journeys. That's recovering theater queers. Yeah. Um, Okay,

937
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: So when I when you asked was your favorite musical,

938
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: the musical that came immediately to mind was one very

939
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 1: problematic musical we did in high school, which is Flower

940
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: Drum Song. Yeah, it's a Roger. It's a Roger Rogers

941
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: and Hammerstein's musical about Chinese immigrants. It unfortunately has really

942
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: beautiful music, like really beautiful music, but as a whole,

943
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: it's like the most is like you've ever seen. There

944
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: is like a grapht to like, the more problematic a

945
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: musical is, then like the more people like, the more

946
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: beautiful the music is, like they are inextricably like yeah,

947
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: West Side Story honestly up there. But like my I

948
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: don't know what my musical theater director was on, Well

949
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: I do it. It was whiteness. But I was at

950
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: a predominantly white high school and we did Flower Drum Song.

951
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 1: We did the wind is are predominantly white high school.

952
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: And we also did a version of Annie Get Your Gun,

953
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: which even the rewrites include this kind of like Native American,

954
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: kind of like subplats. I've also been in a production

955
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: of Annie Get Your Gun. I was the male leading.

956
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: This was that at camp when when I was a

957
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: kid wait, like Jewish sleep Way Camp. You went to

958
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: a Jewish musical sleep Awake? Wait? Did I not? Wait?

959
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: Did I tell you this? So? I was at our

960
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: friend Chenno's Christmas party at her house and there was

961
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: a friend of hers there who I hadn't met before,

962
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: and somehow we got around to the topic of Sleepway

963
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: Camp and I was like, oh, I went to Sleepway

964
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: Camp and the scorel was like I did too, and

965
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, mine was in Pennsylvania and she

966
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: was like, wait, mine was two. And I was like, yeah,

967
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: I was in the Poconos. She was like mine was too,

968
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, mine was called camp La didn't hear.

969
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: She was like I went there too. And did you

970
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: both pull out a photograph that was ripped right down

971
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: the middle and you and you put the photo together slowly? No,

972
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: we did not, And then you both said that birthdays

973
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: for October and that you both loved oreas with Peanut

974
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: Butter October producer phoebe in with the live fact check things. Um,

975
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: but I it was so crazy, and you know, I

976
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: think maybe like, had she known my dead name, maybe

977
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: she would have like remembered me because I was, I

978
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: will say, kind of popular because I like, at the time,

979
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: if you were a boy in theater, like you had

980
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: the world was your oyster. That is well, not for me,

981
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: but it was true that I got the lead. You

982
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: had the lead in every show, you had your pick

983
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: of all the girls. I was that summer. I was

984
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: the lead in both of the musicals, had a girlfriend Anne,

985
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: hooked up with the boy for the first time on

986
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: the same summer. Really, I did meet my first and

987
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: smoked weed for the first time. Oh no way. First

988
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: of all, I met my first boyfriend in theater during

989
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: our production of any Get Your Gun. Second of all,

990
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: Get your Gun. That used to be my Instagram handle.

991
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Oh really it would now get flagged by Instagram. Oh yeah,

992
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Man, the good old days. You know,

993
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: they won't go after people for actually like harassing trans people.

994
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: But like you know, if you if you are trans

995
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: and you want to use the t slura, you want

996
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: to reclaim it. Yeah, um, it's over cut. The stage

997
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: lights dead ass. I was one of our tech chairs.

998
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: We had a very rogue buss. Well, you know, department

999
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: of people. You know, when you don't get cast, do

1000
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: you become a stage manager? You know what's funny is

1001
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: like or like you lead the prop crew. This is

1002
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: very emblematic who I am. Actually, it's not that I

1003
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: was never cast. It's that, like, I never auditioned because

1004
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: I was too scared. So when I did find an audition,

1005
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: I did like get some roles. But I remember being

1006
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: in a stage production of The Hobbit, And have I

1007
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: told you about this before? This is a very formative

1008
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: like experience of like were you this is well, this

1009
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: is Francisco. She rests in beas Um in a production

1010
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: of The Hobbit. I okay, in the Hobbit? Who were you?

1011
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: Just say the day? Why wouldn't you let me set

1012
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: up the story? It's part of the story. So in

1013
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: the Hobbit, there are not a ton of parts to

1014
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: pick from. You have wizards that are extreme one wizard,

1015
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: one wizard that's extremely tall, and then you have dwarves

1016
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: and goblins that are have to be way shorter than

1017
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: the wizards. I was a tall girl, but the director

1018
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: of the play cast his son as Gandalf, which is

1019
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: fucking stupid. So there is no role left for me

1020
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: except to be the only male quote unquote Elf, which

1021
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: is there's like basically a chorus of elves in the

1022
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: Hobbit stage play that don't really have lines, but they sing,

1023
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: and all of them are supposed to be women. But

1024
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: even though there's no women at the Hobbit, yeah, there

1025
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: no women in Hobbit, but that's how they wedged women

1026
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: into like the show, not one single there's only one

1027
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: named female character in the Hobbit, and it's Bilbo's mother

1028
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: right right, exactly dead who was dead. And so Mr Ailey,

1029
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: our musical person, was like, oh, I really want to

1030
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: cast Francisco, but like, all I can just make in

1031
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: this faggy elf And so I had to wear all

1032
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: the costumes that these girl elves wore. And I loved

1033
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: it obviously because I was wearing like a leaf skirt

1034
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: and a long wig. Okay, I had bundles, I had

1035
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: these little like these like elf ears. Okay, I was

1036
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: like living. And my parents, upon seeing the musical for

1037
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: the first time, had a signed by side talk with

1038
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: Mr Riley about how it was inappropriate to cast me

1039
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: as such a feminine role. Well they were right. I

1040
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: love that I like set up that started being like

1041
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: and this is a traumatic part of like my gender experience,

1042
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: and you're like and they were right. You know. I

1043
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: was also in a musical that was a an adaptation

1044
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: of a beloved children's novel, and that was when I

1045
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: was in middle school. We did The Lion, the Witch

1046
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: and the Wardrobe, and I was the Professor, who is

1047
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be double cast and also be as Land,

1048
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: but that's not what happened in our musical, and I

1049
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: only got to be the Professor. But the Professor does

1050
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: have a great song called Doors and Windows, and it's

1051
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: like the first solo at the beginning of the show,

1052
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: and so I got to sing out Louise. Do you

1053
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: get that reference? Sing out Louise? You know what is

1054
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: from Gypsy? Oh well, now I would not that, are

1055
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: you like You're not so you're not familiar with like

1056
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: the musicals, I'm familiar with the musicals, the Cannon, I'm

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Speaker 1: familiar with talking Gypsy, Phantom, the classics. So our high

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Speaker 1: school did twelve shows a year, and two of those

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Speaker 1: were musicals. Ever a lot, Yes, it wasn't. We had

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Speaker 1: an insane feeder calendar. Our our school was not an

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Speaker 1: art school, but it was very invested in the arts,

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Speaker 1: and we got an okay budget to do stuff. And

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Speaker 1: so I have a pretty robust a knowledge of the

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Speaker 1: musicals that we did, of which they were many. But no,

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Speaker 1: it's not. We didn't do the cannon like the breadth

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Speaker 1: of the can as I said, the whiz and flower jumps.

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Speaker 1: I went to a theater high school, and we did

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Speaker 1: two main stages a year. We did a straight play

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Speaker 1: in a musical, and it was a very big deal

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Speaker 1: to get to even be cast in them, let alone

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Speaker 1: to get a lead. I did have a lead my

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Speaker 1: senior year. Oh that was the Annie was your last?

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Speaker 1: Oh that was theater camp. Yeah. Um No. When I

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01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: was sophomore, I was in the Ensemble of Dames at Sea,

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Speaker 1: which is a sort of like anything goes Asque tap musical.

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Speaker 1: That's where I learned to tap dance. And then when

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Speaker 1: I was a senior in high school, I was cast

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Speaker 1: as Telphibious in The Trojan Women by Euripides, which is

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01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: like going to a high school auditorium to watch a

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: Greek tragedy is like not something that should happen. And

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Speaker 1: we took it so seriously at the time and thought

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Speaker 1: we were doing amazing work. Um. And I wore a

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Speaker 1: toga and didn't have any shoes, and I had a

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01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: cape and there were some of the other leads. We

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01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: all had capes and we used to backstage, which just

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Speaker 1: like run around the hallways with our capes behind us.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have shoes during the hobbit or also a

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01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: production of metamorphoses, either like Ovid's Metamorphosis or Zimmerman One.

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Speaker 1: Oh Mary's mmer Oh my god, that's like one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite plays. Me too, it definitely easily. That was

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Speaker 1: one of my college auditions was from Metamorphosis, which monologue

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Speaker 1: the one of the guy in the pool. Uh my god,

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Speaker 1: that's the most beautiful scene. We put a pool on

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Speaker 1: the stage. Wow. I still have my copy of Mary's

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Speaker 1: Immerman's Metamorphosis from high school. We are so liked girls.

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Speaker 1: It's a really it's really crazy. So I only I

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Speaker 1: never got a lead really. However, my last year I

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01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: did finally like buck up the courage to audition, and

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Speaker 1: I was also in a tap musical Rose more links

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Speaker 1: between us. I was in Crazy for You, Sister, and Um,

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Speaker 1: I was this close the virgins can't see it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm holding my fingers very close together, this close to

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01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: being cast as a lead. But I I don't have

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Speaker 1: a ton of hand eye coordination, so he couldn't pull

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Speaker 1: off the tap numbers required of the lead in that musical. However,

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Speaker 1: my theater director, this is the same one who cast

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Speaker 1: his son as um Gandalf, pulled me aside after I auditioned.

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Speaker 1: He was like, I just want you to know that,

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Speaker 1: like it was so close, that bullshit. No one who

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Speaker 1: was not a theater kid will ever understand the feelings

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Speaker 1: of not getting cast and then some teacher giving you

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Speaker 1: some bullshit. It was almost you or like making you

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Speaker 1: the understudy, where you're like, babes, we're doing six shows.

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Speaker 1: I'm never going on unless I break this kid's leg,

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Speaker 1: which which I was, well, the funny thing would have done.

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Speaker 1: What's really funny is the guy that they did cast,

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Speaker 1: who was an amazing taped answer, So it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Was a part of this really really toxic gay love

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Speaker 1: quadrang in my high school between four gay men and myself,

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Speaker 1: and we had all been involved with each other in

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01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: some capacity, and it was like so dramatic and horrible.

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Speaker 1: But I think the day that I came out to

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Speaker 1: my parents, I was trying to like high key run

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Speaker 1: away from home, and I had packed a bag and

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Speaker 1: I was going to go live in his mom's basement. Wow. Well,

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Speaker 1: no surprise that a discussion about West Side Story turned

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Speaker 1: back around into talking about gay interpersonal drama and our

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Speaker 1: childhood trauma and our childhood trauma. We will be back

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Speaker 1: next week with a extra special discussion on the Marvel

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Speaker 1: Cinematic Universe, something you are much more prevy to. Something

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01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: our guest Joel Can Booster is much more prevy too,

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Speaker 1: something that I am learning about. Yes, we will be

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Speaker 1: talking about superheroes, supervillains, and Gwyneth Paltrow probably. Yes. So

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Speaker 1: for all of those that are m C you curious,

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: we're going to dive right in um if you If

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Speaker 1: you want to watch some m CU movies ahead of

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Speaker 1: next week, I will give you a list of some

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Speaker 1: of my favorites, The Selects, The Avengers, the Original One,

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Speaker 1: The First, Captain America and Captain America, and The Winter Soldier.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the Tom Holland Spider Man movies

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Speaker 1: I think should be in a digest No Way Home.

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Speaker 1: Maybe all of One Division, Yeah, definitely you should watch one.

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01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: Just watch all of One Division before next week. Thanks. Basically,

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Speaker 1: what we're saying is, go to Disney Plus and go

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: to the Marvel section and watch everything. Just pick the

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Speaker 1: ones that look like the gayest like, yeah, just use

1147
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: just use your gut instincts and you'll probably be right.

1148
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Speaker 1: So for those of you that don't know, we take

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: calls here at like a virgin. You can call to

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Speaker 1: confess the thing that popped your cultural cherry. Just make

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Speaker 1: a suggestion of what we should talk about at three

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Speaker 1: to three pennants. That's three to three seven three six

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Speaker 1: two six two three. You can tweet a your takes

1154
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Speaker 1: on this week's episode. Let us know what you think

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01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: of West Side Story, which you think of musical culture

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Speaker 1: in general? What's your favorite musical yes? Or if you

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Speaker 1: want to share some of your own embarrassing phase school

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01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: theater kids stories or photos or video, we would love

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Speaker 1: to see them. Yeah, get get on, get online and

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Speaker 1: tell us which marginalized groups didge your high school productions

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Speaker 1: culturally appropriate? Um, we all want to know. You can

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Speaker 1: leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, which

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Speaker 1: you can do as well. It helps us a lot,

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Speaker 1: even if it's a little sassy. Just give us five

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Speaker 1: me at friend Squish co wherever you want on social media,

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Speaker 1: help our podcast. This is an I Heart Radio production.

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Speaker 1: Our producer is phebe Unter, with support from Lindsay Hoffman,

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Speaker 1: Julian Weller, Jess Crane, Titch and Nikki Tour. Until next time,

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