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Speaker 1: Oh what is going on?

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Speaker 3: Welcome in, Happy Saturday to you as man. We started

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Speaker 3: to get face first into ball, the waters of ball

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Speaker 3: football season right around the corner of the first week

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Speaker 3: of the preseason. A lot of headlines, lots to get into. Uh, Jared,

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Bridge, Good morning everything good with you guys,

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Speaker 3: Good thumbs up? Right.

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Speaker 4: I went the game last night, indoor arena football games

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Speaker 4: in Vegas. That was an absolute thriller. Sixty eight all

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Speaker 4: in overtime.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I hope you had the over.

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Speaker 4: I didn't. He couldn't bet on it.

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Speaker 3: You're just itching to bet on the over there He's

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Speaker 3: sitting there just like unbelievable. Well, I've bet the over

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Speaker 3: would be tremendous right now. But yeah, I know you

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Speaker 3: were watching earlier that night. You were watching, You're text

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Speaker 3: in the group. You were watching the Panthers hosting the

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Speaker 3: Browns and Shaduur Sanders debut, and it was a solid debut.

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Speaker 3: You think about everything that was said leading up to

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Speaker 3: the game, and it's wild how it turned out because

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Speaker 3: Shadeur Sanders played well and I understand a guy like

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Speaker 3: Lewis Riddick. He made some sense, and then he went

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Speaker 3: off the deep end where he was basically saying, Shadur

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Speaker 3: Sanders is skating uphill. He's in a rough spot. He's

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Speaker 3: not getting first team reps, he's not getting a whole

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Speaker 3: lot of reps in practice, and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: he's with the he's starting the game. This is not

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Speaker 3: the best position to be in. But then he went

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Speaker 3: and took it to the next level. It's like this

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Speaker 3: kind of seems like a setup. Maybe they're rooting against him,

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Speaker 3: like that, come on, there's no way the Browns after

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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders played well last night, they're like, ah, man,

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Speaker 3: we missed our chance. They're ecstatic. There's no gain for

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Speaker 3: him to stink it up, so they're happy that he

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Speaker 3: played as well as he did.

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Speaker 5: It's like purchasing a property and just crossing your fingers

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Speaker 5: and hoping for termites. Like what, I don't really understand

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Speaker 5: the logic if I mean, I guess among all of

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Speaker 5: the thirty two teams the only one that that would

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Speaker 5: actually make sense is the Browns, because they've been such

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Speaker 5: a dumpster fire for so long that you could imagine

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Speaker 5: only one team could possibly root against themselves. But let's

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Speaker 5: be honest, that's not what's going on here. This is

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Speaker 5: the preseason and they have a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: mess at quarterback.

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Speaker 6: They don't know who's gonna.

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Speaker 5: Be available or capable. I assume they wanted to be

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Speaker 5: Flacco to start the season. If that's even a possibility,

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Speaker 5: we'll we'll see when we get there. But in the interim,

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Speaker 5: you have to give the guys who are buried on

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Speaker 5: your depth chart an opportunity to prove themselves whether it's

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Speaker 5: their worth to your roster or potentially prove their worth

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Speaker 5: in terms of being an asset value to the rest

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Speaker 5: you could flip the pick, and that wouldn't be the

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Speaker 5: first time it's ever happened where, especially at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 5: So is that what the Browns are doing? Not necessarily,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Lewis did clarify he posted right after all

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Speaker 4: the hubbub Just so we're clear. I never said should

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Speaker 3: just saying he wasn't set up for perfection.

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Speaker 4: No one's nothing's perfect. Life is imperfect.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, beauty of it.

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Speaker 3: This was the original statement, And again I thought he

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Speaker 3: Chaduur was not in a great spot. He was dealing

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Speaker 7: I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason

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Speaker 7: I've seen it. Tom, You've seen it. We've been in

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Speaker 7: Why are you doing that technique? Well, damn, coach, I

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Speaker 7: That's what they're gonna expect of him. But if anyone

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Speaker 6: He just is.

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Speaker 7: And every time you get this organization talk, you get

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's some truth to that, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's a good first step. We'll get to Deon Sanders

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Speaker 3: should have been thrown up the pomp poms last night?

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Speaker 3: shirtless cartwheels, and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's still

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Speaker 3: the preseason, you know what I mean. But I get it.

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Speaker 3: He's a proud father. He should be happy for his son.

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Speaker 5: on into LeVar ball the entire time shepherding his son

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Speaker 6: How many quote tweets did he get?

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Speaker 5: You know, there there is a feeling of, look, you're

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Speaker 5: a point where I think the potentially, maybe I'm wrong,

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Speaker 5: at some point. And we're not wandering anywhere near that

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Speaker 6: And we know what it's like.

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Speaker 5: You know, you hear it all the time where you

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Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. You're gonna be living that life. But

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Speaker 5: all this. And so that's another one of the side

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Speaker 6: I'm curious where that goes.

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Speaker 5: Last night, it all seemed pretty harmless and it just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, you could minimize it and be like, hey,

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Speaker 3: It was one of the best throws on the run,

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Speaker 6: He's going off the field. Matt he got hit unobated.

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Speaker 6: There was no one blocking.

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Speaker 4: The protection was totally not there.

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Speaker 10: It was just gonna be hard for me to see

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's just as basic as it gets. You got a

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Speaker 5: a really really bad sign for the Colts. If Anthony

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Speaker 4: and he was open. I don't understand how that, especially

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Speaker 4: But yeah, like these are the types of plays that

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Speaker 4: maybe it's downside, depending on how you Dane Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 4: I actually have Daniel Jones right. It's slightly higher than

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Speaker 4: you going with the Ones again. And the Colts are

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Speaker 4: splitting the baby. They're giving Richardson reps at one, they're

434
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Speaker 4: giving Jones reps at one. I think that's gonna hurt

435
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Speaker 4: whoever ends up winning the starting job in the long run,

436
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Speaker 4: because they're getting fewer reps with the Ones than they

437
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 4: should be if they were just the starting quarterback. So

438
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 4: you've got this cluster in Indy. I don't know how

439
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 4: Styken figures it out, but I think at some point

440
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 4: you got to make a decision and figure out who

441
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Speaker 4: your quarterback is.

442
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Speaker 3: There was a funny tweet I saw the night of

443
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Speaker 3: the game, and it just said, whenever you think your

444
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 3: team has it bad, just remember someone's favorite team has

445
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 3: an Anthony Richardson versus Daniel Jones quarterback battle going on.

446
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that's the reality for the Colts right now.

447
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 3: It's a rough reality, and that's the bigger picture. I

448
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 3: think that this is the worst relationship in the NFL

449
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: by far. It's the Colts and Anthony Richardson, neither has

450
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: done right by either. If you look at the Colts,

451
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Speaker 3: you have a guy and Anthony Richardson, fourth overall pick.

452
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Speaker 3: He had under four hundred passing attempts in college. That's nothing.

453
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Speaker 3: He had no experience, and they couldn't wait. They threw

454
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Speaker 3: him out there as the starter in week one. Week

455
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Speaker 3: one is rookie season, and then he got banged up

456
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: and he was further behind in his development. And then

457
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Speaker 3: you look at Anthony Richardson. It works both ways. Where

458
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson, going back to Thursday night preseason game, this

459
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: is as basic as it gets. You have to recognize

460
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 3: where the pressure is coming from. Shane Steiken, the head coach,

461
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 3: after the game, he was asked about that and he

462
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 3: just went, it's a five man protection right there, and

463
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: that's the hot side right there. That's what happened. So

464
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 3: the translation is Anthony Richardson has to see that and

465
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: he knows better. This is year three and he's still

466
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Speaker 3: not there. He's got numbers that rivaled Tim Tebow's quarterback

467
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: numbers in the pros. I mean, they're almost identical with

468
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 3: the amount of starts, the yards passed for. It's shocking

469
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: how close they are. That is not who you want

470
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Speaker 3: to be neck and neck with. Is Tim Tebow's NFL

471
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 3: quarterback numbers. That's where Anthony Richardson is. So they're bad

472
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: for each other. The Colts did a hideous job of

473
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Speaker 3: bringing him along slowly, making sure he's ready. He digested

474
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: the playbook. You know, he's getting a bunch of reps

475
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 3: in practice. We're bringing him along. They threw him out

476
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Speaker 3: there week one. Mahomes had almost a thousand more passing

477
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Speaker 3: attempts in college. He only played one game his entire

478
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Speaker 3: rookie season, and they threw Anthony Richardson out there in

479
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: week one. I thought that was crazy by them. But

480
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Speaker 3: I don't want to put this all on the Colts,

481
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: and that's why he hasn't played. Well, it's year three.

482
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Speaker 3: You should know, hey, look at a jobo. You should know, Hey,

483
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: the rush outside linebacker probably gonna be rushing. I know

484
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: there are simulated pressures and they do some exotic things,

485
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 3: but that's as basic as it gets. And he just

486
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 3: wasn't ready for that. He should be, but he wasn't.

487
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Speaker 5: And I agree with your assessment here, and maybe from

488
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 5: a different perspective or a different angle, but overall, I

489
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 5: completely agree with it's on Anthony Richardson. From a personal

490
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 5: accountability standpoint, you've been in these meeting rooms, you you

491
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 5: should understand where the pressure is coming from. In a

492
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: five man protection, there's just I mean, there's really no excuse.

493
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 5: Especially like I said in the preseason that defensive formation

494
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 5: was not confusing, It wasn't exotic. There was nothing interesting

495
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 5: happening with this defense. It was very everything. I mean,

496
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 5: it was as if it was torn out of the

497
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 5: playbook from the Ravens, like you know, it's it looked

498
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 5: like it looked like something that you know it would

499
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 5: be day one install, you know, to to borrow the term,

500
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 5: these could have been trash cans instead of defensive linemen.

501
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 5: Linebackers and defensive backs out there. They were exactly where

502
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 5: they were supposed to be. And it wasn't even a blitz. Really,

503
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 5: it was an on the ball linebacker, a defensive lineman.

504
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 5: You were just sliding the protection away from that player.

505
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 5: So unless that player drops, you're hot off of that player.

506
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 5: This is when I tell you this is as simple

507
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 5: as it gets. This is day one install stuff. He's

508
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 5: going into his third season, so from a personal accountability standpoint,

509
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 5: this really does kind of fall all on Anthony Richardson. However,

510
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 5: from an organizational standpoint, you gotta know sometimes when you've

511
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 5: messed up, and.

512
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 6: This could be a top down issue.

513
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 5: We know how involved ownership has been in decisions there,

514
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 5: and obviously that's an ownership that's been in flux recently

515
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 5: for obvious reasons. There could have been, and there may

516
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 5: still be some sort of impetus for him to continue

517
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 5: being considered for the starting job. You know, so while

518
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 5: Shane Steiken may see it because he's an offensive minded

519
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 5: head coach, he may be saying, like, I don't understand

520
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: why we're still wasting our time. This was a mistake,

521
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 5: need a cut, bait and move on. And by the way,

522
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: the way answer that question, that was pretty curt That

523
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 5: was pretty That was pretty concise. Hey, five man pressure.

524
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 5: That was the hot side. He needs to know that's

525
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 5: the hot side. Moving right along, which means like, I'm

526
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 5: tired of this. I've already coached this. Coaches don't like

527
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 5: to recoach simple stuff, so this could be organizationally something

528
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 5: that's being force fed to the coaching staff and they're going, look,

529
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 5: we tried, there's something wrong here. We need to move

530
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 5: on and spend our time, which is the most valuable resource,

531
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 5: investing ourselves into finding an actual starting quarterback because he

532
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 5: ain't it. And so I agree with you, Brian, personal

533
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 5: accountability and organizationally, this is a failure.

534
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 6: This is a failure.

535
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: Well, here's the dilemma. Either you either keep giving him

536
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: reps and the failure continues and you take reps away

537
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 4: from Daniel Jones by doing that, or you mention him

538
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 4: and you admit failure. I think those are your only

539
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: two options, and frankly, neither of those options sound great.

540
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: Like I don't know what the right answer is because

541
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: I agree with you, rich I do think that there's

542
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: something behind the scenes that's pushing Richardson back into this role.

543
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: For example, he just dislocated his pinkies practicing I think

544
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 4: tomorrow from whenever they practice again. Like he's back on

545
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: the field right away, and I think he knows like

546
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 4: if I step off the field for even a minute,

547
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 4: they're gonna let Jones run with the ones, and he's

548
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: going to at least like say what one about Daniel Jones.

549
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 4: I think he is at least going to diagnose that

550
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 4: situation better because That's not a very difficult situation to diagnose,

551
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: and I think probably Jones has more feel for a

552
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 4: lot of these intricate quarterback decisions that take place at

553
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage. But Jones is not as physically

554
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 4: talented and also not as ingrained with the offense. It's

555
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 4: his first year on the team, so it's like this

556
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: weird catch twenty two. Richardson obviously is the more physically

557
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: talented player, but in year three of this offense, cannot

558
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 4: grasp the simple stuff. Jones probably can grasp some of

559
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: these more high level concepts, but it's his first year

560
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: in the offense. He needs the reps. But if he

561
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 4: takes the reps then Richardson can't get the reps that

562
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: he desperately needs to improve. So it's like, what do

563
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 4: you do here? It's a rock and a hard plays.

564
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: I think at some point they have to make a decision.

565
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: What Steve Spurrys say, you got two quarterbacks you got none?

566
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 4: I don't really know, because they listen to both as

567
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 4: one on the depth chart. At some point you have

568
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: to pin the tail on the donkey, make a decision

569
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: who is your starting quarterback? And let's move on because

570
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: we're in this limbo period and I think it's only

571
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 4: hurting the rest of the team's development. And the season

572
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: starts in like four weeks, so you got to figure

573
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: this out.

574
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy too, is okay? If you look

575
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: at Anthony Richardson in college, three hundred and ninety three

576
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 3: passing attempts, Okay, Anthony ridgards in the NFL three hundred

577
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: and forty eight passing attempts. So the guy combined college

578
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: and NFL has thrown less than seven hundred and fifty passes,

579
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: Like that's hardly anything. To compare it to Daniel Jones

580
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: just in the NFL, the guy has thrown over twenty

581
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: two hundred passes. That's a lot of experience. And we're

582
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: not saying Daniel Jones walks on water, Clearly that's not

583
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: the case. We're just saying he's like three times as

584
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: experienced just in terms of passing attempts. And so you

585
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: could look at this and say, well, let's not give

586
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: up just quite yet. He's still coming along. Or you

587
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: could look at Thursday nights preseason opener and being like, wow, dude,

588
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: he's not even getting the basic stuff. He was hurt

589
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: for seventeen games in the first two seasons. Think about that,

590
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: they played thirty four games in two years. He was

591
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: hurt for seven, He's hurt for half of them. He

592
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: can't stay upright. And then remember the epic he tapped

593
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: out he was tired. Who's the old allel was? Really

594
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: that's rough. So the handwritings on the wall, it's basically

595
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: they took a shot on Anthony Richardson, used the top

596
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: five pick. He's clearly not going to be their quarterback

597
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: of the now or the future, and so you probably

598
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: just going to it's gonna be a mixed bag. It's

599
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: gonna be a little Daniel Jones, a little bit of

600
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: let's give it one last shot with Anthony Richardson. But

601
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: what's really gonna happen is they're gonna have to do

602
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: this all over again. They're gonna have to try to

603
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: use a higher first round pick. Maybe they have a

604
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: bad season and they're in that range. Maybe they just

605
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: trade up a little bit, and your best bet is

606
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: the twenty six NFL Draft, and hopefully you get it

607
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: right with a quarterback that you draft this time. Because

608
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: you don't have a guy, you don't have a quarterback

609
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: of the future right there in Indy. That's the reality

610
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 3: right now.

611
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's a tight spot to be in it. Look,

612
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 6: you I lived it.

613
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 5: You guys watch it every weekend when you don't have

614
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 5: a quarterback.

615
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 6: Man, No, those aren't fun seasons.

616
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 5: When you when you're looking at that position and you

617
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 5: say to yourself, we don't have much to compete with there.

618
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 6: It's hard. It's so much harder.

619
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you start Jones week one. What do you think, guys,

620
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: Jones the week one start, he.

621
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Will Yeah, I think he will.

622
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 6: Choice. Yeah, I would agree.

623
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: It's a tough deal right because it.

624
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: Is rocking a hard place. I honestly don't know what

625
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 4: I would do. I think it's there's there's gotta be

626
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: someone in that organization that is pushing richardson continuously.

627
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: Well, they want it to be him. Yeah, But when

628
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: you objectively look at it and you see Daniel Jones

629
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: going there, and you're like, gotta be just moving faster.

630
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: He's seeing things quicker, he's getting the ball out faster.

631
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: It's like it's staring at you right in the face,

632
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: you know, And.

633
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 4: It's like when you ignore all the red flags when

634
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: you're dating someone and you're just like, I hold you

635
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: see all the positives, You're like, this person could be it,

636
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: and then it's like, yeah, but they're sleeping around and

637
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 4: they're going out every night past midnight, and it's just

638
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: like there's so many you're ignoring the red flags.

639
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

640
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: People, Right, there's the best case scenario and then there's

641
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: the reality. You know, you gotta go buy reality. That's

642
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: what it is.

643
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 4: All right.

644
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,400
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645
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,040
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Speaker 3: Coming up next the parlay platter. It's an exclusive platter

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Speaker 1: Check this out parlay flatter Okay.

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Speaker 3: The platter to day a little bit of a different approach.

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Speaker 3: It's exclusive. Jared is boxing us out. He's going up

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Speaker 3: for the rebound solo here, which is fine. I have

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Speaker 3: no problem taking my feet up, little lemonade, little umbrella,

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Speaker 3: and my Drake. You have had it, Jay Smith, what

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Speaker 3: do you have for us? Buddy?

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Speaker 4: Well, this is a repeat again. Last year, around this time,

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Speaker 4: I think it was the first or second week of

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Speaker 4: the preseason, we gave out our four team division winner parlay.

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Speaker 4: It was the Chiefs, the Lions, the Texans, the Eagles.

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Speaker 4: It was eleven to one and oh nating it in smack.

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Speaker 4: So I've got to run this thing back again this year.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you four division winners, three layups, one long shot,

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Speaker 4: and hopefully we get back to the win column. The

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Speaker 4: odds are actually higher than they were last year, so

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Speaker 4: a little bit bigger payoff. Let's start with the layup.

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Speaker 4: The Bills to win the AFC East. This is minus

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Speaker 4: three twenty five. I mean they've won five Drake titles.

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00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: Nobody can question the regular season success of Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: and John McDermott. Can they get the defense fixed in

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Speaker 4: times for the postseason? Don't care, it doesn't matter for

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Speaker 4: this bet. Patriots, the Jets, I think it's fair to

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Speaker 4: say those are the bottom theaters. Dolphins, we'll see what

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Speaker 4: to his injury status is, but I think the Bills

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Speaker 4: when the AFC S feels like a very safe bet.

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Speaker 4: Next one also kind of a layup Ravens to win

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Speaker 4: the AFC North. This is minus one sixty two straight

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Speaker 4: AFC Nord titles. The Bengals defense obviously very suspect. Steelers.

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Speaker 4: I think it's kind of a five hundred team for them,

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00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 4: and the Browns are I don't think they're ready to

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Speaker 4: win yet. We need to clean up the penalties on

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Speaker 4: defense with the Ravens, but obviously I think they are

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Speaker 4: very talented. Lamar Jackson and Todd Munkin, you're three very

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Speaker 4: excited to see what that looks like. I think you

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Speaker 4: should have won the AMVD last year. Maybe he wins

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Speaker 4: it this year. The Chiefs to in the AFC West.

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Speaker 4: You're actually getting a little bit of a discount here.

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Speaker 4: Last year we had this in the Parla it was

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Speaker 4: minus two fifty. This year's minus one eight. Maybe Denver's

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Speaker 4: a little bit better. I don't know either. This is

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Speaker 4: another this you just bet this solo nine straight AFC

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Speaker 4: West titles for the Chiefs. The last time they didn't

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Speaker 4: win the division, Peyton Manning was quarterback in the Broncos.

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Speaker 4: It's been a minute, and I just think Raiders not

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Speaker 4: there yet.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 4: Maybe the Broncos continue to improve with Nicks. I think

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Speaker 4: the Chargers they just lost Slater. I feel like this

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Speaker 4: is still the Chiefs division to lose. So Chiefs, Ravens,

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Speaker 4: and Bills, these are your layups. Now, let's get juicy

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Speaker 4: o jay. Packers to win the NFC North at plus

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Speaker 4: to seventy five. They went eleven and six last year

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Speaker 4: despite going one in five in the division. I don't

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Speaker 4: think the Lions and the Vikings are gonna go a

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Speaker 4: combined twenty nine and five this year. Jordan Love is healthy,

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Speaker 4: they added weapons on offense. I think this is the

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Speaker 4: Packers year. Maybe they're not quite Super Bowl contenders, but

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Speaker 4: I think they're at the top of this division. So

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Speaker 4: Packers to win the North, Chiefs in the West, Ravens

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Speaker 4: in the North, Bills in the East, and plus thirteen

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Speaker 4: to seventy two over at bet MGM, who was ruining

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Speaker 4: out the four team division winner Marlaga.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so the Packers you mentioned it. It's the juiciest

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Speaker 6: for a reason.

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Speaker 5: I'd argue that division is the most difficult, or quite frankly,

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Speaker 5: the most competitive, from the standpoint of the Packers, I

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Speaker 5: think that's the fairest way to put it. The Vikings

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Speaker 5: last year they were able to make all that noise

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Speaker 5: with a bridge quarterback. Now they have the guy they

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Speaker 5: wanted to start back in the fold. Obviously, the Lions

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Speaker 5: are who they've built themselves into being. And if Caleb

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Speaker 5: Williams is worth it at this level, which this is

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Speaker 5: the proven year, we're gonna find out a lot about

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Speaker 5: the Bears. So Packers easily the wobblyest leg of the parlay.

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Speaker 6: But I like it, and I also like the odds.

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Speaker 5: I think I think it's it's kind of nice to

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Speaker 5: get a payout like that because there are some surefires

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Speaker 5: in there.

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Speaker 6: Obvious.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I love the Chiefs, love the Chiefs, but that's solo, right, come.

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Speaker 3: On, it's begging you to bet it solo and look

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Speaker 3: man like I was filling in for Ben Maller a

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Speaker 3: couple of times this last week, and one of the

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Speaker 3: members of the militia called in and was like, I

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Speaker 3: feel like the Chiefs have been exposed, and I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't be like, hey, you know, I hear it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, let's walk through that for a second, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, the Eagles had arguably the

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Speaker 3: best roster in the NFL last season, and granted they

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Speaker 3: were amazing, especially in the first half of that Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: But how many other rosters have what the Eagles had?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: Like, you had Saquon two thousand yard rusher, all the

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00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: weapons for Jalen Hurts to throw to, best offensive line

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Speaker 3: in football, number two scoring defense, a great pass rush.

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Speaker 3: Not every team has that. So this idea that the

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00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: Chiefs have just been exposed and it's downhill for them

758
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: from here, I don't buy it at all. I think

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00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: the Chiefs that they drafted Josh Simmons, who would have

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Speaker 3: been a top ten pick, had a knee injury at

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Speaker 3: Ohio State, Chiefs are raving about this guy. They love

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00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 3: him as an offensive tackle. He could pay dividends. And

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Speaker 3: when you get Rashie Rice back, you'll it'll be suspended

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Speaker 3: for a few games. But you get Rashie Rice with

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Speaker 3: Xavier Worthy, You've got Hollywood Brown healthy again. Travis Kelce,

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Speaker 3: you got a lot to work with.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 3: That defense was a top five scoring defense last season.

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Speaker 3: I still think. I'm with you, Jared. It's their division.

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Speaker 3: Mahomes is thirty five and five against the AFC West.

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00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 3: You expect that to change dramatically this season? I don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this one feels like with winning again. Yeah, the

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Speaker 4: Packers are the one. I mean, listen, the Ravens in

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Speaker 4: the North. You want to make the case the Bengals

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00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: are gonna win it. That defense is Swiss cheese.

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00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 6: It is.

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00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: The Bills is a layup. Like I'm sorry for your Dolphins,

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00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: but the Bills in the AFC's barring a Josh Allen injury,

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00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 4: is just an absolute layup. It's really Can Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 4: continue to look like Lamar Jackson and Todd Munkin's done

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00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: a great job?

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00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 6: And can?

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Speaker 4: Is this the Packers year? I think this is a frankly,

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00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 4: I think this is a thirteen to one bet on

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00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 4: whether or not the Packers win the division. I agree,

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Speaker 4: now you go, yeah, I love it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 5: I think the Bills, And like I said, there's a

789
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 5: lot of shortfire here. It's just it's just those Packers.

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00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: And look, you know, I think what makes things conversations

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00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: like this a lot easier quarterback head coach combination amongst

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00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 5: that division.

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00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 6: Who do you feel the best about?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean obviously you look in Detroit first, but

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Speaker 5: right after that laflor in love.

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Speaker 6: They are burgeoning success story.

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Speaker 4: Losing Ben Johnson matters.

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Speaker 3: It does it does?

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Speaker 8: It?

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Speaker 3: Does? Lines have a brutal schedule. JJ McCarthy first year starter.

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00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: I could see a path for the Packers. Was anybody

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00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: else in the running? Any other team?

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Speaker 4: You're like the Texans in the South. But I think

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00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 4: that division's open this year.

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Speaker 6: Nice all right?

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Speaker 3: Coming up next? It's gotten completely out of control. Oh

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Speaker 3: keep flying on WNBA courts. My goodness, So we've got

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Speaker 3: four Now this has happened four times where a sex

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Speaker 3: toy has been thrown onto the court. And going through

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00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 3: these stories and I'm like, wait a minute. I thought

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Speaker 3: on Tuesday earlier this week, there was a sex toy

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Speaker 3: that made it to the court and either hit Sophie

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Speaker 3: Cunningham or landed in front of her. Kelsey Plumb kicked

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Speaker 3: it off the court real fast. And I'm reading these

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Speaker 3: stories and I'm like, wait a minute. There was an

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Speaker 3: eighteen year old who was arrested trying to throw a

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Speaker 3: sex toy on the court. It didn't reach the court,

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00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wait a minute. There was another There

834
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: were three games on Tuesday, August fifth, one sex toy

835
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: was thrown on the court. There were two other games

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00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: where they tried to do it didn't quite make it

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Speaker 3: to the court. So there's a sub section here. There

838
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: are the toys that made it to the court and

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Speaker 3: the sex toys that didn't quite make it. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, we got more than just four. We've

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Speaker 3: got many more like flying through the air at least

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00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 3: that didn't reach the court. This is crazy to me, Like,

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00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: if you thought this was funny to begin with, I'd

844
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Speaker 3: be lying to you if, like the first time, you're like,

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Speaker 3: holy gosh, what that's the sex? What are we doing here?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 3: And some of the tweets are hysterical. I have to

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00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: be honest with you. But it's gotten to the point

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00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: now where it's like, just let them play basketball. If

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00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: there was anything funny to begin with, it's played out.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: It's it's like showing up and be like, hey, where

853
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 3: are we going tonight, guys, and like doing the dab

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00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: and you're like, we don't do that's so outdated? Why

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00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: are we doing this still? That's where I'm at with

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00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: the sex toys. Man, It's just like, let's turn the

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00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 3: page on this whole thing. Goodness.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not a fan.

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Speaker 5: I'm a little bit curmudgeonly about you know, fan interaction

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00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 5: with players on the court. Like I'm not a fan

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Speaker 5: of storming the court. I'm not a fan of the

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00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 5: fans rushing the field and tearing down the goalposts and

863
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 5: carry them off the fields. I think I think we're

864
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 5: getting closer and closer to having like a real incident,

865
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 5: like something awful happening in our society. We've seen things

866
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 5: like this happen outside of sporting events, within sporting events

867
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 5: where you know, fans can get into fights, and that

868
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 5: happens quite frequently, but you know, things happen in the

869
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 5: parking lot. It's it makes me very nervous when I

870
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 5: see a bunch of z Ellis idiots. I'll turn it

871
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 5: that way running onto a playing field to celebrate. Now,

872
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, most of them are harmless, and

873
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 5: almost all of them are there for the right reasons

874
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 5: to cheer and to be to share in the excitement

875
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 5: of a moment. But there are some really bad interactions

876
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 5: where somebody gets into somebody's face. You know, there's you know,

877
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: the harassment that happens from the stands but then all

878
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 5: of a sudden it happens on the court or on

879
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 5: the football field or whatever playing field, and that's when

880
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 5: it gets a little obnoxious.

881
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 6: And that's where it gets dangerous, quite frankly.

882
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 5: So I digress on that point to get back to

883
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 5: the sex toys being thrown. I mean, okay, so I'm

884
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 5: a dad, I bring my two boys to a WNBA game,

885
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, one of my children

886
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 5: gets hit with a sex toy. Oh man, yeah, like

887
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: so it comes flying down from an upper seat. Now,

888
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 5: look as a human being and as somebody with a

889
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: sense of humor, can I also see? Okay, Like, yes,

890
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: obviously there's something cosmically hilarious about all of this.

891
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 6: But do I find it dangerous? Yeah?

892
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 5: In some way I do. Do I find it completely inappropriate? Yeah,

893
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 5: obviously I do. And do I see a spot for

894
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: it in any sport? I mean they do this at

895
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 5: bills games, you know. I mean it's not good because

896
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 5: it could lead to It's It's almost like, okay, if

897
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 5: we think it's fun, and it's funny, but it leads

898
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 5: to something real bad, why don't we nip this whole

899
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 5: thing at the bud? And I think they're trying to.

900
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 5: But you're right, Brian, the teas and the payoff of

901
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 5: the tea's is completely on on Q on par It's

902
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: it's gotten, it's gotten completely out of hand. This is

903
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 5: this has gotten shockingly bad really quickly.

904
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: By the way, Yeah, this is different than other incidents

905
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 4: that are more isolated. This is a serial sex toy incident. Now, yea,

906
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: it is coming. And by the way, kudos to Brian

907
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 4: know for keeping a straight face during that entire open

908
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 4: when he had to utter sex toy about what I

909
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: caught four or five sex toy mentions in there, keeping

910
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: his composure during that introduction. That's why he is a professional,

911
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: and that's why he's leading us here on the show.

912
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: But there is a certain level of humor involved here,

913
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: and I think anyone who doesn't have that funny bone

914
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 4: that can kind of laugh at this, I think you

915
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 4: need to reassess that part of your life. But then

916
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 4: there's the safety part of it, where this is not

917
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 4: just an isolated incident. Now, this is multiple times happening,

918
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 4: and it's happening at multiple times in individual games. It's

919
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 4: one thing for it to happen at one game. Here

920
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 4: one person does it then another game at a different venue,

921
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 4: it happens. It's happening multiple times inside the same game,

922
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: and it's not the first time we've seen things like

923
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 4: this take place on a more regular basis. For example,

924
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: I'll give you a great example. The Florida Panthers do

925
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: this with rats and not real rats like rubber rat.

926
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 4: And I don't want to get twisted people, but I remember

927
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 4: I was ten years old, nineteen ninety six, going to

928
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 4: Florida Panthers game, sitting very close to the ice. I

929
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: was scared, like the goal would be scored and it

930
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: would be like a deluge of rats. Like hundreds of

931
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: rubber rats get thrown on the ice. They don't all

932
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 4: make it to the ice. Yeah, some of them fall short. Now,

933
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 4: if you're familiar with the types of sex toys that

934
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 4: are being thrown significantly heavier and thicker than just a

935
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 4: rubber hollow rat, these can hurt you if they're being

936
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: thrown from the upper deck and hurled down towards the court.

937
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 4: If they hit you directly in the head, that could

938
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 4: really damnity. Like, these things are thick and they are

939
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 4: how do want to get into those specifics after that?

940
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 4: But they are not light like they are, they're weighted

941
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 4: like they have some they have some girth to them.

942
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 4: So I think you just we have to use a

943
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 4: little bit of a little bit of discernment here with

944
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: the types of things we're throwing on the court, because

945
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 4: now it has become like a punchline and people are

946
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: doing it for attention, and they're doing it because they

947
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 4: want it's clickbait and they want to get their name

948
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: out there. And that's where it gets dangerous, where it

949
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 4: becomes a thing. And now it's a thing, and we

950
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 4: have to try to I don't know how we nip

951
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: it in the bud because the bud seems to have

952
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 4: already left the station here, but we have to figure

953
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 4: out a way to just use some common sense with

954
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 4: what you're throwing on the court here.

955
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just too much. It's too much at this point.

956
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 3: And that's the thing it's turned into, like the commentary

957
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 3: on it, like what's behind this, And that's when the

958
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: opinions can really vary. For instance, Shannon Ryan, she covers

959
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: women's basketball, she's a managing editor at The Athletic, and

960
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: she had a column about this whole thing, and she

961
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: laid it out very well. I disagreed with most of it,

962
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: but one of the lines stuck with me. She wrote, humiliation,

963
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: often lewde or sexual has long been used as an

964
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: attempt to make women feel uncomfortable in sports or diminish

965
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 3: their place in this space. Now, she's right sadly about

966
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: the backstory, but I don't think that's what's happening here

967
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: and now. And I'll give you an example. One of

968
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 3: these sex toy throwers is this eighteen year old kid,

969
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: an eighteen year old kid who was arrested and booked

970
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: for doing this. And he was the one who accidentally

971
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: hit the uncle and the niece at the Phoenix Mercury game. Right,

972
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 3: it's a nine year old niece, little girl that's there,

973
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, it's terrible, right, But

974
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: he apologized to the officers and said he was sorry

975
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: and was following quote a stupid prank that was trending

976
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 3: on social media. End quote like this idea that these

977
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: sex toy hurlers are like this is away to keep

978
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 3: the women down. Like it's an eighteen year old kid

979
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: who's there. Yeah, it's good fun, right, Like I was

980
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: thinking about when you're eighteen the dumb things you did.

981
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't like throwing sex toys on the course of games,

982
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: but some things that I thought would be hilarious in

983
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: the moment turned out not to be funny at all.

984
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 3: For some reason, we thought one of our buddies, we're

985
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: just gonna trash his car. We're just gonna throw a

986
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 3: bunch of sugar and flour. I have no idea why

987
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: we thought this would be funny. We did that. My

988
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: buddy took his car to get detailed. They said, get

989
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: out of here. We're not due. It's no way. It

990
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 3: was that bad, horrible idea, not even funny. But sometimes

991
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: that's how your teenager brain works. You think it's gonna

992
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: be funny in the moment, and it's not. And a

993
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: lot of this is only that this idea that we're

994
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: just trying to objectify women or keep them down. I

995
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 3: just don't think that's the case. I'll give you one

996
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: last example. You guys take over on this. But there

997
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: was a tweet went viral. This guy Greg just wrote,

998
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: uh oh, just spotted this about a mile from a

999
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: WNBA arena, And it was a picture of a flatbed

1000
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: semi right. Yeah, and he's transporting this whatever. It was

1001
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: this huge contraption, but there was tarpa around it, and

1002
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: the way that it was strapped to the truck, it

1003
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: made it look like a gigantic sexuality like yeah, right, yeah,

1004
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: it got seventeen million views. Yeah, Like the likes are

1005
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: through the roof. So my question is anyone who laughed

1006
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: or liked the tweet do you think it's because it

1007
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: was a stupid joke or do you think they're like, yeah,

1008
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: we're laughing at female athletes far and wide, like come on,

1009
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? But it's turned into that,

1010
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 3: and I just don't think that's what it is. I

1011
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 3: understand how you could get there and how you could

1012
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 3: think that. I just don't think that's what it is.

1013
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 5: I think I think most members of our society can

1014
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: hold two truths in their heads simultaneously and one like again,

1015
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 5: even if I was pelted with a sex toy from

1016
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 5: from a higher vantage point sitting closer to the court

1017
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 5: in an arena at a WNBA game and was annoyed

1018
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 5: by it, I can still understand like the humor that

1019
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 5: can come from something like that, landing maybe suction cupside

1020
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 5: down and wobbling around on a hardwood floor during the

1021
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 5: middle of a game, Like, is that is that funny?

1022
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean in a very sophomoric way. Yeah, I

1023
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 6: guess so.

1024
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 5: But again there's an element of danger to it, which

1025
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 5: I don't think belongs in arena. There is also a

1026
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 5: confusion of the message, Like you just said, this writer

1027
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 5: spent ten thousand words exposing some deeper truth that may

1028
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 5: or may not be involved in the thinking behind this.

1029
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 5: In fact, I would say more often not, because again,

1030
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 5: you can hold two truths in your head at the

1031
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 5: same time. Maybe you're not a WNBA fan, but you

1032
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 5: just think that's funny. Maybe you are a WNBA fan

1033
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 5: and you don't like the fact that these women are

1034
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: being mistreated in this way, but you can still even

1035
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 5: see the humor. And that's maybe more the camp that

1036
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: I'm in. And also, by the way, if it goes

1037
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 5: away completely, I'd be much happier because I don't think

1038
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 5: there's any room in that for sports altogether. But then

1039
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 5: there's also certain people who say, yeah, like that's a

1040
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 5: funny joke.

1041
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 6: But also can we, just as a side quest, talk

1042
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 6: about how.

1043
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 5: Nauseating the messaging from the WNBA has been overall, Like

1044
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 5: pay us what we're worth and things like that, like

1045
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 5: you know, the angel Reeses of the world. The attack

1046
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 5: that Caitlin Clark has been under since basically she's joined

1047
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 5: this league and has tried to this league to publicity

1048
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 5: and acclaim and interest level they have never known before,

1049
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 5: and it feels like they're rebuking her every attempt to

1050
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 5: bring this league to the forefront, Like can we.

1051
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 6: Talk about that too as a side quest?

1052
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 5: It doesn't have to be related to the sex toys

1053
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 5: being thrown on the court and literally having almost in

1054
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 5: a comedic fashion, a janitor with one of those wide

1055
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 5: broom mopping them off the court, like like like we

1056
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 5: can hold that truth as somewhat oddly funny in one

1057
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 5: side of our brain, while also saying, hey, Wnba, you've

1058
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 5: got bigger fish to fry, Like that is to me

1059
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 5: small potatoes compared to how unlikable your league and many

1060
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 5: of its players are as a result of how Caitlin

1061
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 5: Clark has been handled and literally the welcome matt was

1062
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 5: rolled out for a bunch of non fans who became

1063
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 5: interested in in your sport and you basically box them

1064
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 5: out saying this is our lead. She doesn't belong bizarre,

1065
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 5: absolutely bizarre, because I know I can hold those two

1066
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: truths in my head.

1067
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 4: I think a lot of this is related, as crazy

1068
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: as that sounds. And the reason I know this is

1069
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 4: because the WNBA pun intended here, has become the butt

1070
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 4: of the joke. And it's because they're just not that likable.

1071
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 4: And that's why people are feeling like they can pile

1072
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 4: on to this very sophomore joke with the sex toys

1073
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: because they're okay with the WNBA being the butt of

1074
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 4: the joke, because the WNBA is asking for it right like.

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Speaker 4: And this goes back to the bully in school who

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Speaker 4: does the bully pick on. The bully picks on the

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Speaker 4: weaker one, and also the one who is kind of

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Speaker 4: the nerd, kind of the one that's the outcast, kind

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Speaker 4: of the one that asks for it, maybe puts themselves

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Speaker 4: out there in a unique way, and they get bullied

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Speaker 4: for it. I know because I was bullied relentlessly when

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Speaker 4: I was growing up. I was the chubby kid, I

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Speaker 4: was eccentric, I was outgoing, and I was not in

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Speaker 4: the popular crowd. I got bullied a lot. I understand

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Speaker 4: that side of it. That's how that's what the WNBA

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Speaker 4: is and the landscape of sports. That's what the WNBA is.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to get a seat at the popular kids table.

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Speaker 4: They've got a couple of you know, cool kids maybe

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Speaker 4: hanging with them, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: they're still not at They they're not the NFL, they're

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Speaker 4: not the NBA, they're not the NHL, they're not Major

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Speaker 4: League Baseball, and they're going to have to go through

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Speaker 4: this initiation process in order to raise to that level.

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Speaker 4: And now we're kind of seeing the ugly side of

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Speaker 4: it because it's becoming cool to make fun of the WNBA,

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Speaker 4: and I'm not down with that. I think there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of positives about the league, but yeah, they're kind

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Speaker 4: of asking for it in a sense, like the bully

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Speaker 4: kind of is, you know, poking fun at the WNBA

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Speaker 4: and then the WNBA like they're running our way and

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Speaker 4: then all of a sudden they trip and fall and

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Speaker 4: everyone laughs at them. Like that's kind of the cycle

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Speaker 4: that we're in right now with this. Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 4: becoming a political statement too, which is driving me absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 4: Anytime politics and sports start to mix, it never ends well.

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Speaker 4: And to Brian's point, about the article that is a

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Speaker 4: politically charged statement about feminism and about how women are treated,

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Speaker 4: and it's not. It doesn't apply to this statement. This

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Speaker 4: is a league that is trying to find their stance

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Speaker 4: in this greater sports landscape, and they're struggling because they

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Speaker 4: whether it's Caitlin Clark, it doesn't matter. It's all part

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Speaker 4: of the same stew which is the league has not

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Speaker 4: yet figured out how to get on stable ground in

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Speaker 4: the greater sports landscape. Maybe they figure it out, but

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Speaker 4: right now they're the butt of the joke.

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Speaker 6: Literally.

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Speaker 1: This follow the money, real good money.

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Speaker 6: Ah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we welcome in our good friend, Seamus McGee, team

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Speaker 3: So I'm curious right like if we look at micro

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Speaker 3: bets and prop bets in general. There are governors that

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00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: are angling, let's get rid of these, you know, these

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00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: one pitch micro bets and and maybe it trickles into

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Speaker 3: prop bets. Do you think that with some of these

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00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: MLB investigations, federal investigations like NBA, MLB all that stuff,

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00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: do you think that we're not that far away from

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Speaker 3: the prop bet menu getting reduced in a dramatic way.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's gonna happen at all sometime soon?

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, great to be back. I'm trying not to

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Speaker 8: speculate too much on how regulators and the leagues are

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Speaker 8: trying to operate. You know, it's a it's a bran

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Speaker 8: new world sports betting for a lot of these leagues

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Speaker 8: and states. So yeah, the the more we get into this,

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Speaker 8: the more you know, we are seeing like what's going

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Speaker 8: on in Cleveland with the Guardians right now, and myriad

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Speaker 8: of NBA players getting involved in some gambling stuff. It's uh,

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Speaker 8: it's anything. And how the states won't operate completely up

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Speaker 8: to them. I think, if anything, the most drastic thing

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Speaker 8: you see you won't see player props go away. Too

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Speaker 8: many people like them, They love the parlays. They love

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Speaker 8: betting on players, so you won't see them go away.

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Speaker 8: I could see the most drastic step being you can

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Speaker 8: only bet overs or you know, outcomes where a player

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Speaker 8: is trying to you know, better for their team. That's

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Speaker 8: the most chrastic thing I could see going. I saw

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Speaker 8: what Ohio is trying to do, which could end up

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Speaker 8: leading you know, goodno does not less. A couple of

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Speaker 8: states could follow their lead. But yeah, we'll see what

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Speaker 8: plays out. You know, it's our job to adapt to

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Speaker 8: whatever you know, rules and regulations we have to apply to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing that bothers me is that there's

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Speaker 4: a big there's a lot of gray area between regulate

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Speaker 4: or legalize all props and ban all props. Like, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of in the middle there that we can

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Speaker 4: fall into. I think eventually, shame as we will get

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Speaker 4: to that happy medium. Because there are certain markets, and

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Speaker 4: these markets, these micro micro markets one pitch, one shot,

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Speaker 4: one at bat markets, they are very easy a to manipulate,

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Speaker 4: be very hard to book. See, they're expensive, they're juicier

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Speaker 4: than just like your average spread and total. Like, I

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Speaker 4: think those are the markets that i'd be okay getting

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Speaker 4: rid of But to your point, the traditional props, will

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Speaker 4: this player get to eighty yards receiving? Like like that

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Speaker 4: stuff I don't think is going anywhere because I think

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Speaker 4: it's more ingrained in the fabric of the actual game itself.

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Speaker 4: Where some of these microprops, will the first pitch of

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Speaker 4: an inning be a ball or a strike? Like it's

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Speaker 4: so meaningless in the grand scheme of the outcome of

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Speaker 4: the game. I think those are the ones that we

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Speaker 4: can kind of push to the side.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's another thing we got to look at from

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Speaker 8: our side too, especially when we're working with States about like,

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Speaker 8: you know, if the States deciding should we get rid

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Speaker 8: of this market, should be is it worth keeping?

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Speaker 1: Love?

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Speaker 8: It is just how much handle do we take? Is

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Speaker 8: it significant enough to the you know, the industry, to

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Speaker 8: you know, the casual players betting these Like are they

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Speaker 8: markets that a lot of people are interested? So that's

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Speaker 8: definitely one thing I think the States are probably looking

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Speaker 8: at that we're helping them out with. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 8: it's just going to be really interesting to see how

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Speaker 8: this unfolds. And you know, you even go to the

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Speaker 8: college level where player props aren't even allowed, and the

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Speaker 8: probably half the states that operate that are have legalized betting,

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Speaker 8: and then I know, like a few states are worried about,

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Speaker 8: like especially college players and how they operate with you know,

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Speaker 8: stuff like player props.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny when you start thinking about

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Speaker 5: a sports book as like a mom and pop candy

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Speaker 5: shop where the lollipops at the front of the store

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Speaker 5: are causing some sort of problem and you don't sell

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Speaker 5: them too much anyways, Why do we even bother with them?

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Speaker 6: You know what I mean. So it's it's funny state

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Speaker 6: to state.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure some of those props vary in popularity, and

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Speaker 5: you could just see yourself severing ties with them all together,

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Speaker 5: just to you know, get rid of some of the

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Speaker 5: unbearable bad press that's attached to some of this. I

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Speaker 5: digress on all that to talk to you about something

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Speaker 5: of specific interest. Uh, because we did our parlay platter

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Speaker 5: and divisional odds came up. I'm curious win totals, divisional odds.

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Speaker 5: How much Seamus does the preseason have to do in

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Speaker 5: moving the needle.

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Speaker 8: I would say not a lot. I mean you might

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Speaker 8: get some glimpses into, you know, how a team is

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Speaker 8: going to operate offensive or defensively. You have a few

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Speaker 8: guys that show up in preseason that look like walls,

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Speaker 8: like they could be real players. Like you saw Mike

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Speaker 8: Green just dominate against the Cults in his debut. You

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Speaker 8: might see some awards, but like I think he got

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Speaker 8: shipped in for defensive work year for instance. There as

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Speaker 8: far as wind toals, obviously, like if someone gets hurt,

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Speaker 8: like that's gonna move their win total, they're right, they're

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Speaker 8: playoff and division odds. But I wouldn't say by and large,

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Speaker 8: not that much. But unless you see like a rookie

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Speaker 8: coming in that like people get really excited about. I

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Speaker 8: think that's one where like maybe you know some steam

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 8: does come in on a certain price.

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Speaker 3: Your bad news for the Chargers with Rashaun Slater going

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Speaker 3: down their left tackle, that's a huge loss. Feel terrible

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Speaker 3: for him and them, But as a better shamus, you

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Speaker 3: look to pounce, right. Do you take that into account

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Speaker 3: and look to apply it in any market? Maybe Week

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Speaker 3: one chiefs points spread the total of the game season

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Speaker 3: win total for the Chargers AFC West odds. Do you

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Speaker 3: look to play that in any way, shape or form

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Speaker 3: based on that big time injury?

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Speaker 8: Well, as we do with most markets where big injury

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 8: news come up, we look, we let the market handle

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 8: what the price is going to be. If you know,

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01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 8: betters think that this is going to be the seismic injury.

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Speaker 8: He's great. I mean, he's a huge part of that

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Speaker 8: offensive line, especially for Justin Herbert that it would be

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Speaker 8: silly to sit here and say it makes no impact.

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Speaker 8: But so we just wait and see what the sharps

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Speaker 8: are betting. I know Joe Waalt is moving to the

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Speaker 8: left side of the line. He's a really good lineman

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Speaker 8: in and of himself, So we'll see how big of

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01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 8: a drop off there is.

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Speaker 4: So preseason football, we talk about betting on the actual

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Speaker 4: games themselves, and it can be a tough watch. It

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Speaker 4: can be tough to figure out who's playing and who's not.

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Speaker 4: But based off of a very brief analysis, if you

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Speaker 4: just faded all of the big moves Seamus, all of

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Speaker 4: the six and we see a bunch of them over

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Speaker 4: the last few years, we've actually seen eight games steam

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Speaker 4: six or more points in one direction. If you just

1275
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 4: waited for that move to come and then bet the

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01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 4: other side, you'd be eight to zero against the spread.

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Speaker 4: And I think the reason is the market is becoming

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01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 4: very sensitive to these starters are playing tweets and this

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 4: guy's gonna play this many minutes and then the market

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Speaker 4: just takes that news and runs with it and it

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Speaker 4: actually opens up value. On the other side, are you

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Speaker 4: seeing that on your end? Are you getting these bets?

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Speaker 4: And you're like, man, this this game for a starter

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Speaker 4: playing one quarter is moving a significant amount. Does it

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Speaker 4: surprise you just how volatile these preseason moves are.

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Speaker 8: Nothing really surprises me doing this for like sixty years.

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Speaker 8: I've been doing this, doing booking preseason. You see these

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Speaker 8: moves all the time, especially whenever starters and that's and

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Speaker 8: you'll see a move starters are sitting. You'll see a

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Speaker 8: big move like this Broncos Niners game. I think it

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Speaker 8: already moved six points towards the Broncos.

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Speaker 6: But we were.

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Speaker 8: Texting the other day, but on Thursday, like it felt

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Speaker 8: like a lot of these numbers did actually move too

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Speaker 8: much just looking at them before kickoff, and we actually

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Speaker 8: didn't have a great you know, first few days of preseason.

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Speaker 8: We got to beat up a little bit from the

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Speaker 8: games the first few days, even with like the blinde

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Speaker 8: moves and whatnot.

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Speaker 6: So you mentioned injury.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, that's that'll play a huge impact in the preseason

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Speaker 5: onto the regular season. But are there any other preseason trend, Seamus,

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Speaker 5: that even casual betters may be able to follow into

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Speaker 5: the early red season, uh, to help them make better

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Speaker 5: choices at the window.

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Speaker 8: I think this has been a trend, definitely. You can

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Speaker 8: notice the past couple of years. I remember Julian Edeland

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Speaker 8: had a big rant last year or two years ago

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Speaker 8: about this. I feel like it's growing more apparent. The

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Speaker 8: starters who play in the preseason they tended't. I mean,

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Speaker 8: they just start better than a lot of these teams.

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Speaker 8: I think that's why you're seeing like the Bengals, for instance,

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Speaker 8: they had their starters play. You know, it felt like

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Speaker 8: a lot more than you're used to seeing them playing

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Speaker 8: with Burrow out there. So I think there's a few

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Speaker 8: teams that you can count on like you'll come out hotter,

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Speaker 8: i'd say, than the teams that don't play their starters

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Speaker 8: in the preseason.

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Speaker 3: All right, Seamus, that is that time the shame this special?

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Speaker 3: What do you have for us today?

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Speaker 6: All right?

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Speaker 8: Once again, I'm gonna ask for you know, some leeway

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Speaker 8: the lower league soccer league in the in England. We're

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Speaker 8: going not too crazy here. We're stick with the Championship,

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Speaker 8: the league below the English Premier League, and we're going

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Speaker 8: to take Bristol City on the three way money line

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Speaker 8: to pull off an upset over Sheffield United, who is

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Speaker 8: a big favorite to get promoted back to the Premier League.

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Speaker 8: So Bristol City at twelve thirty in the Championship.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna say. It sounds good to me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I make a good argument. You sunch is

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Speaker 3: that Connecticut? Yeah, yeah, well we'll take your advice on that, Seamus.

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Speaker 3: You know, he sounds like you just got to say

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Speaker 3: it with confidence and people are like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I think this is hitting. I think it's hitting, Seamous.

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Speaker 3: I always appreciate you. Well go ahead, yeah, there you go, buddy, great,

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Speaker 3: in a Major League Baseball game. So Jen Powell, she's

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Speaker 3: gonna make history. There's a double header today between the

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Speaker 3: Marlins and the Braves. She'll be working the bases today

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Speaker 3: and then she'll be behind the plate tomorrow for Marlin's Braves.

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Speaker 3: So shout out to her. And how about this? The

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Speaker 3: gender barrier for game officials in the NBA, it was

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Speaker 3: broken twenty eight years ago. It was broken ten years

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Speaker 3: ago in the NFL when they hired their first full

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Speaker 3: time female official. So MLB's finally joined the party. We

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Speaker 3: still don't have an on ice female official in the NHL.

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Speaker 3: That has not happened yet, but MLB finally getting here

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Speaker 3: with Gen Pile making history today. How about that?

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Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, yeah, I read this story earlier.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think it's I think it's one of the

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Speaker 5: most difficult things in sports to call balls and strikes

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Speaker 5: from behind the plate. And you know, if this has

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Speaker 5: been only available to one gender this whole time, and

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Speaker 5: considering how poorly I feel like that that has been

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Speaker 5: umpired over the course of time, I am hoping for

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Speaker 5: better results because, my goodness.

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Speaker 6: The home plate umpiring. I do give credit where credit too.

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Speaker 5: It's really difficult, but I mean, we are steps away

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Speaker 5: from having robots behind home plate because it has just

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 5: been a mess.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we need the robots. Can we get female robots that?

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Speaker 4: Can we even do that? No? I think we need to.

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Speaker 4: I think we I I like these stories because I'm

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01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 4: all for meritocracy. If you are good at your job,

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: I don't care if you're a man, woman, black, white, Asian,

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01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. If you're good at your job, you deserve

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01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 4: a chance to perform at the highest level, period, end

1381
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 4: of story. I hope we get to a point where

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01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: it's not a story anymore, like oh, female umpire, Like,

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 4: all right, who cares? Is she good? Can she call

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01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 4: balls and strikes? Is she good at her job? Great?

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 4: I don't really care if she's a man or woman.

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01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 4: That's kind of where I'm at with these stories, and

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01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 4: we hear a lot of them. The first woman, this

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01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 4: the first that like, great, are you good at your job?

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Speaker 4: That is the only part of this that matters, because

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01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 4: if you're not good at your job and you're getting

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Speaker 4: promoted because of some kind of statement because the league

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01:11:56,280 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 4: wants to make a political statement, that's getting promote for

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01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 4: the wrong reasons, that actually is something Lewis Riddick should

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01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 4: say being set up to fail. But in this situation,

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't follow minor league, you know, umpiring.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if she's good or not. I hope

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Speaker 4: she is. We'll find out because they have very specific

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01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 4: I follow an account. I think it's called like umpire review.

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01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 4: I forget what the name of it is, but it

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Speaker 4: basically tracks how well you called the game after the game,

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01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 4: and it tells you got this call wrong, you got

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Speaker 4: this call right. I'll be watching, I will take a

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01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 4: look at her umpire review after the game, and we'll

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01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 4: find out if she's good at her job or not.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and you go back to it made me

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: think what you said, Jared, You go back to say,

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01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 3: like Tony Dungee and when that was a story like hey,

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Speaker 3: first black head coach to reach a super Bowl going

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01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 3: up against Lovey Smith, And yeah, he was saying at

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01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: the time, like, hopefully we get to a day and

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 3: age where this is not a story. It's just, hey,

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01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 3: you know, Mike Tomlin's coaching the Steelers, and you know

1413
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,799
Speaker 3: he's going up against so and so from the other side,

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's a step in that direction. I just think, like,

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 3: how much harder it is for you to do a

1416
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: good job, you know what I mean, Because when you're

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01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 3: the first, it's unfair. But a lot of people think

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01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 3: this way. If you're like the first black quarterback and

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: you miss a five yard out, there are a lot

1420
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Speaker 3: of people that think, hey, maybe these black quarterbacks can't

1421
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Speaker 3: throw the fight, you know what I mean. Like with

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 3: Jen Powell being behind the plate and she calls a

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Speaker 3: low strike that's really a ball, It's like, hey, maybe

1424
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 3: these fits. You know, people think like that, oh, you

1425
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 3: gotta be on point, and there's a lot of pressure

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Speaker 3: that comes along with that. So ump score cards.

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Speaker 4: That's the uh handle. If you want to follow it,

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean I follow it, and I look at them

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01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,799
Speaker 4: all the time, they're interesting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah they are, they are, And yeah, just to put

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Speaker 5: a bow on it, Brian, like when I look at uh,

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Speaker 5: when I look at first in general, the first of anything,

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01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 5: the first of anybody is going to always take the

1434
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 5: most slings and arrows. And then as we continue to

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01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 5: to troll past this moment in history, it'll, like like

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01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 5: Jared was pointing out earlier, it'll become commonplace. It won't

1437
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 5: it won't be discussed and bandied about with as much

1438
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 5: publicity because all it'll be is just whoever's the best

1439
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 5: at the job gets the job and we move on.

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 5: So huge credit and and a tip of the cap

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01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 5: because it's difficult. Like I was just pointing out, being

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Speaker 5: the first at anything, and I hope it goes smoothly.

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01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 5: I hope it goes swimmingly because we know, we know

1444
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 5: how bad it can get when there are misses rather

1445
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,440
Speaker 5: than makes in first attempts.

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Speaker 6: That is just sports man, that is how it goes.

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Speaker 3: No doubt. All right, We've got Rich Orenberger, Penn State

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Speaker 3: All American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No

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Speaker 3: coming up next, prop it up. That is right, we

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Speaker 3: go into the prop betting market. And Hey, when a

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Speaker 3: game projects to be ugly, sometimes you can pick out

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Speaker 3: some pretty stats, some pretty props.

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Speaker 4: If you will.

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Speaker 3: We'll discuss that on the way. It is Fox Sports

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Speaker 3: let's dive into this.

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Speaker 2: Prop it up player plays Okay, prop bets go lore,

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Speaker 2: So many options, so little time.

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Speaker 3: Jared, we go with you for a pick.

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Speaker 1: What do you have for us?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll go baseball here, I'm you know, no, no,

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Speaker 4: NFL props yet, and it's just it's too tough the

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Speaker 4: dicet who's playing in the preseason. So I'll give you

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Speaker 4: a couple of young pitchers today. First, I'll give you

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Speaker 4: a quick over. Jack Perkins over four and a half

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01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 4: strikeouts Athletics young pitcher at the Orioles today, taking just

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Speaker 4: a second career start. I like betting young pitcher props

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Speaker 4: because the market hasn't really figured him out yet, making

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Speaker 4: it again just his second career start. His last start,

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Speaker 4: his first start was actually on short rest. He started

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 4: out in the bullpen, then they moved him to the rotation.

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01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 4: Only went sixty two pitches three innings, struck out four

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Speaker 4: guys though in three innings, I think he's gonna go

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01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 4: four plus innings about eighty pitches today, So over four

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Speaker 4: and a half strikeouts feels good. Against Baltimore, he strike

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Speaker 4: the Orioles strikeout of ton against righty's this season, and

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Speaker 4: another rookie, Carson wizen Hunt, the Giants starting pitcher to

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Speaker 4: under two and a half earn runs against the Nats,

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Speaker 4: making just his third career start the Nats. Oh my goodness,

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01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 4: go look up the Nationals numbers against lefties since the

1493
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 4: All Star Break. They are dead last in every single category.

1494
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 4: Seven straight lefties under two and a half earn runs

1495
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 4: against the Nats. Wizard Hunts at home will go under

1496
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 4: two and a half earned runs for the rookie south back.

1497
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna give you an NFL preseason pick here.

1498
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 5: I'm taking the under on the proposed nineteen and a

1499
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 5: half receiving yards for Travis Hunter today against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1500
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,839
Speaker 6: Here's why, dual roles are.

1501
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 5: Going to limit his offensive exposure. They want to try

1502
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 5: him on both sides of the ball. Plus, look, there's

1503
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 5: no guarantee the ball is gonna come your way in

1504
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 5: any given play or scheme, so you can't control targets.

1505
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 5: And even if they do have plans to get them

1506
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 5: the ball early, do you think they're gonna do it often?

1507
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 6: I don't.

1508
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 5: So unless there is an explosive playoffensively, I think they're

1509
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 5: gonna try to get him the ball, get him down,

1510
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 5: get him out of the game so that their first

1511
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 5: round high first round draft pick is healthy for the

1512
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,560
Speaker 5: upcoming season. So I'll take the under the nineteen and

1513
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 5: a half receiving yards today for Travis Hunter.

1514
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 3: Okay, good stuff. I'm gonna go to the WNBA if

1515
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 3: you freaking people won't. You know, someone's gotta go this

1516
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 3: kidding Uh, I love that. Yet we've covered everything here, right,

1517
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 3: we got baseball, we got NFL preseason. Let's go WNBA

1518
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 3: as well. I'm looking at this Sparks game. The Sparks

1519
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: have put on fire lately, so they've scored at least

1520
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 3: one hundred points in five of the last six games.

1521
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 3: They're going up against the Valkyries today. The line has

1522
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 3: moved a ton. They were favored by one and a

1523
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 3: half last night. They're now favored by four and a half.

1524
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 3: The Valkyries are not very tall, and cayleb Thornton is hurt.

1525
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 3: Unfortunately she's out for the rest of the season. So

1526
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the rebounding market. I'm gonna go with

1527
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 3: Azaray Stevens over seven and a half rebounds. Again, the

1528
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 3: Valkyries are just height challenged, and I look for the

1529
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 3: Sparks to outscore them and beat them up on the

1530
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 3: glass pretty good. You got the Deerica Hamby. This is

1531
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 3: the funny thing with the prop betting market. Sometimes your

1532
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 3: own teammate can screw up the total prop ben right

1533
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 3: so you got Hamby on the boards too, and she's

1534
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 3: at seven and a half. But I like Azure Stevens.

1535
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 3: She's gone over twice out of the three times they

1536
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 3: played the Valkyries, and I look for her to go

1537
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 3: over tonight over seven and a half. So I'll go

1538
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 3: with Stevens in that game. There you go, all right.

1539
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 6: I like it.

1540
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 4: The preseason props are really tough guys, I think, and

1541
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 4: I like Rich's angle because the Hunter stuff is really

1542
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 4: tough to digest. The market might be completely wrong on

1543
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter, we have. You have no idea how many

1544
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 4: snaps he's gonna play on either side of the ball.

1545
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 4: And I've said this before. I think, Brian, you might

1546
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 4: have pushed back some curiouser thoughts. I think he's gonna

1547
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 4: play more on offense. I think he's gonna be a

1548
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 4: better offensive player, but I still think he has the

1549
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 4: DESI I were to play defense, which means he might

1550
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 4: get more preseason snaps on defense just a hunch. I

1551
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 4: honestly have no idea.

1552
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 3: I think I think he's a better defensive player, but

1553
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 3: I think with Trevor Lawrence, they're in let's get Trevor

1554
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 3: Lawrence right mode. So I think he's going to play

1555
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: more initially on offense.

1556
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 4: Interesting.

1557
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I could see that even just having more

1558
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 5: weapons on the field, you know, creates a little bit

1559
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 5: of a distraction, absolutely all.

1560
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 3: Right, coming up, it was a popular opinion a few

1561
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 3: months ago and it turned out to be totally wrong.

1562
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 3: Oh what is going on? Happy Saturday to you as

1563
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 3: we inch closer not just to more preseason games, but

1564
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: to regular season NFL games not that far away. And

1565
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 3: it was at least a good debut last night for

1566
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,879
Speaker 3: Shadoor Sanders, his first preseason action through two touchdown passes

1567
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty eight yards, a lot of pressure,

1568
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 3: a lot of eyeballs on him. There was a comparison

1569
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 3: made by one of the members of the Malord militia

1570
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 3: between Shadoor Sanders and Bronni James and there are there

1571
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 3: are some comps, right if you think famous fathers, you know,

1572
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 3: under the microscope even more so because of that and

1573
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 3: even like summer league Bronny preseason Shador, every little throw,

1574
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 3: everything is dissected. So from that standpoint, yeah, I can

1575
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 3: see it as far as a popular opinion from a

1576
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 3: few months ago that I think at least so far

1577
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 3: has turned out to be totally wrong, and I, in

1578
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 3: my opinion, projects to be totally wrong. Remember when it

1579
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 3: was like, oh, Dion Sanders, Oh you don't want to

1580
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 3: draft Shador, you gotta put up with Dion Sanders. He's

1581
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,560
Speaker 3: gonna have hot takes every single day about the Cleveland

1582
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 3: Browns and there's just gonna be a total headache and

1583
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 3: you don't want that in your life. And what is

1584
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 3: Dion Sanders said or tweeted that's caused like this mass

1585
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 3: story for the Browns, like there's been nothing. I thought

1586
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 3: that was a total overreaction. It's not as if Deon

1587
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 3: Sanders is going to be in a press conference for

1588
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: the Colorado Buffaloes and just way in on Schad or

1589
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 3: not getting first team reps, or why is Joe Flacco

1590
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 3: getting all the playing You know, it's ridiculous. It was

1591
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 3: never going to be like that. I never bought it

1592
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 3: at the time, and you're seeing now he threw out

1593
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 3: a couple of tweets last night like go Sun basically

1594
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 3: pretty much it It's not gonna be this relentless, you know,

1595
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 3: NonStop nauseating thing where Deon Sanders is talking all things

1596
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 3: Cleveland Brown's going forward, that just was never gonna happen.

1597
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 3: He's a former pro. Like a former pro is not

1598
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 3: gonna do that with his own son. That was never

1599
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 3: even a possibility.

1600
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 6: I wouldn't. I wouldn't put it as not a possibility.

1601
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 5: And I also wouldn't say the stories over because after

1602
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 5: his first start in one where things went exceedingly well,

1603
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 5: that we have all the evidence we need that it

1604
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 5: won't now if we're going to live in the world

1605
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 5: of hypotheticals or potentiales like I mean, you could spare

1606
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 5: me taking the deep dive there. But is it is

1607
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 5: it possible that Dion puts his foot in his mouth

1608
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 5: at some point over the course of should Or's rookie season,

1609
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 5: especially when things are being more pressure tested, Like when

1610
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 5: it's going well, it's very easy for everybody to have

1611
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 5: a really good time saying all the right things.

1612
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 6: Well, what about when things aren't going well?

1613
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 5: What happens if Dion thinks his son is being misused

1614
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 5: in the offense, or he isn't.

1615
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 6: Getting the protection or the play calls.

1616
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 5: That he thinks he should be getting, or maybe he

1617
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 5: you know, at some point during the Browns football season,

1618
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 5: he's struggling and somebody asks him out of Colorado Buff's

1619
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 5: press conference, Hey, you know, why did Shoudor have so

1620
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 5: much more success in your offense than he is in

1621
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 5: the Browns offense. And that's a tough question to answer

1622
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 5: because you want a herald what you're doing at your school,

1623
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 5: and you also don't want to necessarily paint the Cleveland

1624
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 5: Browns in a dim light. And it's gonna be hard.

1625
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 5: It's gonna be hard, Let's just put it that way.

1626
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 5: So I don't think based on one night of tweets

1627
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 5: from Dion where someone was playing exceptional preseason football, has

1628
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 5: really diminished the the opportunity for this storyline to re

1629
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 5: emerge with a vengeance at some point this season.

1630
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 4: I would tend to agree Rich that there needs to

1631
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 4: be some adversity first before we finalize this opinion. But

1632
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 4: there's already been some adversity, Like you know, he had

1633
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 4: the speeding ticket. He's been you know, I think he

1634
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 4: started as like the fifth fourth team, Like he didn't

1635
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 4: get the initial love that maybe he deserved, considering the

1636
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 4: success that he had in college. Who his dad is, like,

1637
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,440
Speaker 4: I think he's been humbled a little bit by this process,

1638
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 4: and we haven't heard an outcry, but I agree like

1639
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 4: if in general, when the real adverse city strikes during

1640
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 4: the regular season, I think that's when we'll really know

1641
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 4: is Dion going to be negative with his vocality. I

1642
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 4: think he also has other things to do, Like he

1643
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 4: wasn't even at the game last night. Like imagine that

1644
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 4: your son plays in his first NFL preseason game and

1645
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 4: your dad's not there and it was for a good reason,

1646
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 4: Like he's coaching Colorado. He just went through a healthy scar, right,

1647
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 4: But like that in of itself, I think adds a

1648
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 4: layer of Dion's got other stuff to do. Man, Like

1649
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 4: he's got a team to coach, he's got stuff going on,

1650
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 4: He's fighting his own health issues. I think there are

1651
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 4: these natural barriers built in between Dion and the Browns

1652
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 4: which will insulate Shador enough. But anytime Dion tweets anything,

1653
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 4: it's gonna be headline news. So it kind of goes

1654
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,480
Speaker 4: back to I think Dion has to use his discernment

1655
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 4: with when he is vocal, what he says, and how

1656
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,520
Speaker 4: it comes off, because even if it's supposed to be positive,

1657
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 4: there's gonna be Lewis Ridicks out there that are gonna

1658
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 4: spin up negative and I think that's where discernment really

1659
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,799
Speaker 4: is the word I'll use for when Dion is vocal

1660
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:13,719
Speaker 4: about his son this season.

1661
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 3: Shador made a comment earlier this week where I think

1662
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 3: we got some audio check this out here, you go.

1663
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 12: I don't want him coming to see me right now

1664
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 12: because I want to get to where I want to

1665
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 12: go in for him to see me, I don't want

1666
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 12: him to come and see me. You know, get a

1667
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 12: couple of reptions. You know, he's cheering like a good dad, like, Nah,

1668
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 12: you can't be proud of me right now. I got

1669
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 12: to get to where I'm going, and I know it's

1670
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 12: a lot I got to do to get there. So

1671
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 12: it's kind of like I just want everything that I'm

1672
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 12: doing is just like focus on this time. And I

1673
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 12: don't want to know distractions because we know out the media,

1674
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 12: we know how everybody would take it and take away

1675
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 12: from the team just from him being my own dad

1676
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 12: showing up.

1677
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 6: So you know, it's a gift that occurrence at the

1678
01:26:59,160 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 6: same time.

1679
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's Shadeur talking about his dad, Dion Sanders

1680
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 3: possibly coming over and seeing him in training camp, and

1681
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 3: Shadur's kind of like, hey, Pops, you know, like, you know,

1682
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a whole thing. Let's just not go there.

1683
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 3: So that's the thing. Dion Sanders is smart enough to

1684
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: realize that he doesn't want to be a hurdle in

1685
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 3: the way of his son's success. And even it could

1686
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 3: be a simple comment, could be a simple tweet, and

1687
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's this gigantic story and it's

1688
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 3: just something that Shaudeur Sanders doesn't want right now. Yeah,

1689
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 3: so Dion Sanders is smart enough to know that. And

1690
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,560
Speaker 3: even if there is adversity, Hey, listen, Dion might have

1691
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 3: a very you know, minor tweet and just because he's

1692
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 3: Deon Sanders turns into this gigantic thing or a very

1693
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 3: simple comment. Maybe that happens if there's like, you know,

1694
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 3: something's not going well for Chaudeur at all, and any

1695
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 3: weighs in in a minor way. But this idea that

1696
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:00,839
Speaker 3: you know, Dion was gonna be preaching at the pulpit

1697
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 3: all things Browns all the time is absurd. That was

1698
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: never going to happen, and that sound but gives you

1699
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 3: an indication as to why, like his son doesn't want it.

1700
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: His son doesn't want this extra attention and extra heat

1701
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 3: and it's just unneeded. So that's the last thing you

1702
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 3: want to do as a dad is getting the way

1703
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 3: of your son's There's no way Dion is ever gonna

1704
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 3: do that.

1705
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 6: I think this family is a lightning rod.

1706
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 5: I think it's because, Look, I think Dion Sanders is

1707
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:36,640
Speaker 5: a better coach, a better person, a better speaker, a

1708
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 5: better motivator, a better role model, and a better father

1709
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 5: than the media portrays him. I think all of those

1710
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 5: things are true, and that's my belief. I know there's

1711
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 5: a lot of people who are listening to this radio

1712
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 5: show who will vehemently disagree with me for their own reasons,

1713
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 5: and that's fine. You can cast your own opinions. These

1714
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 5: are public people. Dean Sanders has made a lot of

1715
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 5: money off of Europe onions of him, I promise you,

1716
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 5: and should or Sanders has followed suit. You know that

1717
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 5: guy's driving a pretty dang nice car, and that was

1718
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 5: before he graduated from college. I don't I'm not even

1719
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 5: one hundred percent sure on his degree status. I don't

1720
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 5: think it even really matters. But before he left college,

1721
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 5: here's the thing. I knowing that Dion is a pro

1722
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 5: both as a player and now as a college football coach,

1723
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 5: and he works.

1724
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 6: In this field, and his son is too.

1725
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 5: He's now been indoctrinated, whether he you know, snaps a

1726
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 5: football in a competitive game or not. You know, he's

1727
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 5: suited up for a training camp, he's played in a

1728
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,680
Speaker 5: preseason game, he's seen what the pro game looks like. Now,

1729
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 5: I think there's going to be an understanding of here

1730
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 5: between he and his father of what needs to get done.

1731
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 5: And frankly, what needs to get done is should Or

1732
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 5: needs to concentrate on what he needs concentraight on, and

1733
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 5: Dion needs concentrat on what he needs.

1734
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 6: It's gone straight on.

1735
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 5: Because Dion just lost a lot of talent on that

1736
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 5: Colorado team, and Shoudor is fighting for his life after

1737
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 5: being a low round draft pick to get some starting

1738
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 5: action this season when he was prospective to be you know,

1739
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 5: a top ten pick.

1740
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,759
Speaker 6: So a lot of work to be done in both camps.

1741
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 6: So I agree with you Brian.

1742
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 5: Overall, I would say this narrative has taken a sidecar

1743
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 5: to maybe even a bus stop seat at this point.

1744
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 5: But let's see, I'm very curious if this gets pressure tested.

1745
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 5: You know, things are going sideways for the buffaloes. If

1746
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 5: things are going sideways for should or if you know,

1747
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 5: somebody strikes a nerve with a question, like we've seen

1748
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 5: before with Dion, you know, is there a headline?

1749
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see. I'm in the wait and see camp.

1750
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 5: But for now, I love how Shoudor is talking, and

1751
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 5: I love Dion playing the role of supportive father I

1752
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 5: And that.

1753
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 4: Really is the only thing that matters to me right now.

1754
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 4: If something happens later that like a nuclear bomb gets

1755
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 4: dropped on this situation, and you know, and and all

1756
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 4: of a sudden, all hets breaking lose Dion's chiming in Shadors,

1757
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 4: you know, mouthing off, then I will reassess my opinion.

1758
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 4: But my opinion after it's been the draft was four

1759
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 4: months ago, like it wasn't like the draft was last week.

1760
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 4: Dion's had four months to have an outburst about something.

1761
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 4: I haven't heard a peep, even when Shaudor has faced

1762
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 4: some adversity. Then the game last night, he said all

1763
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 4: the right things. After the game. It was actually I

1764
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 4: think it was in the third or fourth quarter. I

1765
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 4: was driving to that Arena football game and I was

1766
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 4: listening to the game, you know, in the car and

1767
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 4: I heard the interview. They had the in game interview

1768
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 4: with Shador, and the reporter was like praising him, like, hey,

1769
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 4: you did great, Like it looked like, you know, from

1770
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 4: our vantage point, you were settled in and blah blah

1771
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 4: blah blah, Andhador's yeah, didn't play that well, Like I

1772
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 4: didn't do this, and I need to do that, and

1773
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 4: I need to you know, I'm just grateful for this opportunity.

1774
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,480
Speaker 4: He said every single right thing that a young quarterback

1775
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 4: playing his first preseason game should have said. He did

1776
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,519
Speaker 4: not come off as this entitled kid that's the son

1777
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,679
Speaker 4: of this great NFL star that expects to just walk

1778
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 4: on the field and be a starter week one. He

1779
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 4: sounded like a fifth round rookie that has taken his lumps.

1780
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 4: And until that narrative is different, who are we to

1781
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 4: project this opinion of what Dion Sanders is going to

1782
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 4: or not going to say right now? The reality is

1783
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 4: Shador is playing well one game, one preseason game, and

1784
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 4: he's saying all the right things. That is the only

1785
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 4: thing that should matter to us as sports media people,

1786
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 4: not what Dion might say if something happens, If and

1787
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 4: when that happens then we'll reassess our opinion. But right

1788
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 4: now I gotta give gold stars across the board to

1789
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 4: this entire situation.

1790
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, it was a great debut. The one thing

1791
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 3: that caught my attention Dion's tweet here where the first

1792
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 3: touchdown he just put yes, Lord, yes, you know, typical

1793
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 3: father like son, let's go. That's perfect. Then the second touchdown, it.

1794
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Was, oh yeah, what now?

1795
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 3: As a uh oh h, it's it's the first preseason game.

1796
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: This is not the what now?

1797
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 8: What now?

1798
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 3: Critics?

1799
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 6: Huh?

1800
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 3: What do you have to say?

1801
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 8: Now?

1802
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 6: It's like we need.

1803
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 4: That. I'm okay with that.

1804
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 6: It did remind me.

1805
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 3: Of the first game for Deon Sanders at Colorado. You

1806
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 3: remember this epic quote, Remember they beat TC.

1807
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 6: You do you believe?

1808
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 3: Now, it's like it's gonna take more. That's not like

1809
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 3: it's gonna take more than just that. But hey man,

1810
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 3: he jumps the gun a little bit. Can I share

1811
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 3: you with you my favorite what now story?

1812
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 6: Yes?

1813
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I love this story so much. It's with Aaron Rodgers. Okay,

1814
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers was with the Packers. The Packers were four

1815
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 3: and eight a couple of years ago. Right rough start,

1816
01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 3: they had just won their fourth game in a row.

1817
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 3: They've climbed to eight and eight, all right, And this

1818
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 3: is what Aaron Rodgers had to say at the time.

1819
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 5: You know, we've all seen some of the commentary outside

1820
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 5: as we went from four in eight to five and

1821
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 5: eight to six and eight, and nobody's worried about.

1822
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: The Packers and blah blah blah blah blah.

1823
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 6: Now what are you gonna say? There we go?

1824
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 3: Now what critics?

1825
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 2: Boy?

1826
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, what happened next week? He lost to Chris Perfets

1827
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:31,919
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions.

1828
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 4: That was before they lost the attitude.

1829
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right, goloyds. They finished eight and nine,

1830
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 3: they missed the playoffs, and that was Aaron Rodgers' final

1831
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 3: game with the Green Bay Packers.

1832
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 4: That was the beginning of Detroit's ascent too, it really was.

1833
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 4: And then the next year they really kind of rose

1834
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:49,679
Speaker 4: to the occasion they.

1835
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 13: Had started that year. I don't remember what it was,

1836
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 13: but I think they only had like one or two

1837
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 13: wins through like the first ten games, and they had

1838
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 13: to put out, like, you know, statements support for Dan

1839
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 13: Campbell and then they just run through the entire rest

1840
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 13: of the season and it's like they could have made

1841
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 13: the playoffs. But you know, I think the Rams lost

1842
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 13: to the Seahawks and they ended up getting into that

1843
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 13: game was meaningless for the Lions. They still went out

1844
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 13: there and kept the Packers out of the playoffs, and yeah,

1845
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 13: put the end on the pack on Rogers.

1846
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 4: Okay, we're great. Ats that year too, they were like

1847
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 4: a team that couldn't win a game, but they covered

1848
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 4: every game.

1849
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 3: That's the thing though, you gotta be careful about angering

1850
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 3: the what now gods. They have rabbit years. What you

1851
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 3: gotta say now every now and then goes to fare.

1852
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:35,560
Speaker 6: It was Dion saying it.

1853
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 3: Not that's fair, that's fine. I'm just saying, every now

1854
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 3: and then you go out it, you know, after what now,

1855
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 3: after beating TCU and you're thirteen and twelve, after two years,

1856
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 3: it's like, you know then with.

1857
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 4: The dad saying it, if the sun is saying it, Hey, I'm.

1858
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 3: Just saying, you're gonna anger the what now gods from

1859
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 3: time to time. It's something to be aware.

1860
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,799
Speaker 4: We're worried about Colorado this year with the what now gods. Frankly,

1861
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 4: then I have.

1862
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 3: That's true, you know what last little thing on this

1863
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 3: we got to move it along. But you know as

1864
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 3: well as Schadure played, you tell me if I'm wrong.

1865
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 6: Here.

1866
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 3: I was watching that game and I'm like, they have

1867
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 3: the wrong guy from Colorado on this team. Shadure Sanders.

1868
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 3: He I think that he's he can be a capable

1869
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 3: NFL quarterback. He's got talent to work with. It's gonna

1870
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,639
Speaker 3: take time, gotta be seasoned, all that type of stuff.

1871
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 3: But I'm like, man, they showed Mason Graham and he

1872
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 3: got a few reps at defensive line. Now he was

1873
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 3: the fifth overall pick, so the Browns traded with Jacksonville.

1874
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 3: The Browns had the second overall pick. They could have

1875
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 3: picked Travis Hunter and Stead. They moved down. They got

1876
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 3: Mason Graham. And when I'm watching him play and I'm like,

1877
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 3: I think they got the wrong guy from Colorado. Man,

1878
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, I think is going to be a star.

1879
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 3: I don't think Shaduur Sanders is going to be a star.

1880
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 3: So we'll see. Time will tell if that's true or not.

1881
01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is an interesting take. And you know, I look, quarterback,

1882
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 5: that's the elixir. If you can find the right quarterback,

1883
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 5: you've you've done it all. I mean think about you know,

1884
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 5: Brady in the sixth round with the Patriots twenty years later.

1885
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 5: You know, he is the greatest who's ever played the sport.

1886
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 5: So it's very hard to say to say whether or

1887
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 5: not you know you got the right guy the wrong guy.

1888
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 6: But let's put it this way, they could have had both.

1889
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 4: You know, that's the key. You could eat that well.

1890
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 4: I don't understand why you could have. Well, you really

1891
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 4: what you should have went through the can Travis hunder

1892
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 4: second overall and taking and taking Shador in the third

1893
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 4: round and not down Gabriel right, and then you would

1894
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 4: have had another fifth round pick too, I don't know,

1895
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 4: draft and other defensive line.

1896
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 5: Name and everybody still would have said. And what people

1897
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 5: are saying now Chador was a steal in the third round.

1898
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 6: But yeah, I digress.

1899
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,640
Speaker 4: Ye, that is like he thought he was gonna be

1900
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 4: a top ten pick. His draft position was like ten.

1901
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 3: It's funny you ever like all the mock drafts and

1902
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 3: all that before the draft? Do you ever read that

1903
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,879
Speaker 3: stuff after the it's way better, it's way better.

1904
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 6: Draft.

1905
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 4: In the last three years, I have not done well,

1906
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm not okay with but a lot.

1907
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 6: Of then with draft bets though, where bets have been great.

1908
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, not my analysis to some of these guys, it's hard, man.

1909
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,599
Speaker 3: It's a tough guessing game, no doubt.

1910
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 4: All right.

1911
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Speaker 3: of names will be out there on the field. How

1933
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 3: about one of the biggest names that was on the

1934
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Speaker 3: field Thursday night, Joe Burrow. Yeah, some of the Bengals

1935
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 3: starters getting some action. I absolutely love this because the

1936
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 3: Bengals have been such slow starters, it's insane. Joe Burrow

1937
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 3: in weeks one and two his record in five years

1938
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 3: of the NFL one in nine and it's actually worse

1939
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 3: with Zach Taylor, He's one and eleven in the first

1940
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 3: two weeks as the Bengals head coach. They start off

1941
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 3: so slowly. Joe Burrow's numbers have been really low. He

1942
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,720
Speaker 3: doesn't get any reps in the preseason. But this year

1943
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 3: they're like, you know what, let's change that. Let's get

1944
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 3: Burrow out there. He was fantastic. He was nine for

1945
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 3: ten a buck twenty three, two touchdowns, no picks, nearly

1946
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 3: perfect passer rating, and they're doing this in hopes of

1947
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 3: starting faster, and they've got a favorable start to the season,

1948
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 3: but then it gets really tough right after. So they

1949
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:32,600
Speaker 3: start off at Cleveland and they host Jacksonville. So you

1950
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 3: can't afford to go oh and two, one and one,

1951
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 3: all that type of stuff, because three of the next

1952
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 3: four games are on the road and they're all tough

1953
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 3: opponents for the Bengals. So starting in week three, they're

1954
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 3: at Minnesota, at the Broncos, they host the Lions, then

1955
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 3: they're at the Packers. So you can't afford to get

1956
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 3: off to a slow start this season. And I think

1957
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Speaker 3: this can help them. It hasn't worked before you had

1958
01:40:55,160 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 3: Burrow in five years. He threw eight preseason passes through

1959
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 3: ten on Thursday. You know, I think it's smart. At

1960
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 3: Chamar Chase was on the field. You just can't have

1961
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 3: this growing trend continue and I think this is a

1962
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 3: step trying to, you know, correct it, and I'm all

1963
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 3: for it. I think it's a smart approach by the Bengals.

1964
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Speaker 5: I remember in New England, the rallying cry was we're

1965
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 5: going to get the work we needed. This was, of course,

1966
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 5: a different time in football. It was under Bill Belichick.

1967
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:29,600
Speaker 5: It was the Patriot Way during that time, and it

1968
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 5: morphed a little bit.

1969
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Speaker 4: You know.

1970
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Speaker 5: Obviously Tom Brady became more empowered and became more responsible

1971
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Speaker 5: for his own decision making within that organization before the divorce,

1972
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 5: so to speak. But I remember feeling during those years

1973
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 5: like we had an edge on some of our early

1974
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 5: season competition, especially those who didn't participate as much in

1975
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 5: the preseason as us, And it was just because on

1976
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 5: film you could you could just see a more physical team.

1977
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Speaker 5: And there were some times where we'd lose a game

1978
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Speaker 5: or two, you know, within the first two or three games,

1979
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 5: and it was never typically was never because we were

1980
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Speaker 5: out physical or because we weren't in good enough conditioning.

1981
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Speaker 6: It was because, you know, obviously, football's football.

1982
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Speaker 5: It's an oblong shaped sporting implement and the ball bounces

1983
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 5: in funny ways. Sometimes calls are made or you know,

1984
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 5: catches would be catches or dropped things like that. But

1985
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 5: I feel like the teams that have more of their

1986
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,679
Speaker 5: starters getting more action in the preseason have a little

1987
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 5: bit more of a running start heading into the season.

1988
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Speaker 6: However, there is the risk reward exchange, and.

1989
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Speaker 5: Like any good insurance broker will tell you there's a

1990
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Speaker 5: risk assessment that needs to be done before making any decision.

1991
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Speaker 5: And so it's tough these days to be a head coach.

1992
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Speaker 5: You know, it used to be commonplace. Hey, we're gonna

1993
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 5: play our starters, it's just a matter of how much.

1994
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 5: And now to play, hey, your starters at all in

1995
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Speaker 5: certain circles feels controversial.

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Speaker 4: You guys ready for a stat that's gonna blow your mind?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh always so.

1998
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

1999
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Speaker 4: Last year, five quarterbacks did not play in the preseason

2000
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 4: that were starters. Watson, Prescott, Cousins, Kyler, Murray, Justin Herbert.

2001
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 4: All of those guys started Week one besides Stafford, who

2002
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,479
Speaker 4: went off for three hundred plus yards went over his

2003
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,799
Speaker 4: passing yards prop that Sunday night game against the Lions.

2004
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 4: The other four didn't throw for more than one hundred

2005
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 4: and eighty yards in that Week one game. Wow, that's

2006
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,760
Speaker 4: how much preseason matters to these quarterbacks. If you're not

2007
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 4: getting live reps in the preseason, that Week one game

2008
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 4: is gonna look like World War three. And I applaud

2009
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow and Zach Taylor get like great. Yeah, Brian

2010
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Speaker 4: mentioned the record, it's terrible one and eleven in the

2011
01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 4: first two games under Zach Taylor. But that ain't gonna

2012
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Speaker 4: fix the defense. Based on what I saw the other night,

2013
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 4: Burrow could score as many points as he wants. That

2014
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Speaker 4: defense with Al Golden in his first year as defensive coordinator.

2015
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Speaker 4: I mean, the whole handicap and the preseason betting wise

2016
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Speaker 4: is becoming really tricky. We mentioned it was Seamus. I'll

2017
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 4: give you the stat again. If you just blindly faded

2018
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:26,879
Speaker 4: the steam moves the games that moved six or more points,

2019
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 4: if you just waited for that movement to come. You

2020
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 4: see the tweet, this tarteart. The starters are playing for

2021
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 4: the Bengals. The line moved seven points in favor of Cincy.

2022
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 4: It was a pick them. It closed right around seven.

2023
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 4: The Bengals were a seven point favorite in the game.

2024
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Speaker 4: They lost. Why because their defense couldn't stop a nosebleed.

2025
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 4: Philly marched up and down the field. Now, the Bengals

2026
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 4: offense looked great. I think they scored two touchdowns in

2027
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:53,719
Speaker 4: those two drives that they were on the field the starters,

2028
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 4: but the defense was a disaster. And if you are

2029
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 4: just fading those moves, you're just allowing the market to

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Speaker 4: kind of take it shape. The starters are playing.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, the starters are playing a quarter?

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Speaker 4: What about the other three quarters? Like, I think we

2033
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 4: need to kind of reshape the way that we look

2034
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 4: at these preseason games. When we hear news that the

2035
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 4: starters are playing, they're probably playing for a quarter, maybe

2036
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 4: a half at most, which means the second half of

2037
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,760
Speaker 4: the game when the game is decided. It's a coin flip.

2038
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Speaker 4: So if the lines are moving significantly in one direction

2039
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 4: because you heard the starters are playing for a quarter,

2040
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 4: you might be better off just waiting and betting the

2041
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:33,479
Speaker 4: other side. But the Burrow stuff, I think he's gonna

2042
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 4: have a good year. I just think that defense is.

2043
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 3: Really yeah right, I mean it could be a carbon

2044
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 3: copy of last season. Who knows right, where Burrow goes

2045
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,439
Speaker 3: crazy and the defense sucks and they're an average football team.

2046
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 3: It's possible.

2047
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:46,560
Speaker 6: You know.

2048
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Speaker 3: It's funny because Bill Krakenberger, who's on tomorrow's edition a

2049
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 3: Countdown right always on Sundays professional sports handicapper, if he's

2050
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 3: got a pick, a lot of times they'll say, hey,

2051
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 3: I like this play, and then he'll get two three

2052
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 3: points of closing line value yep, and it'll always put.

2053
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 3: Now comes the hard part winning. Winning It's the worst

2054
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 3: when you're sitting there, like, I got seven points of

2055
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 3: closing line value in my favor, you know, I got

2056
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 3: it at a pick them now it's minus seven. This

2057
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 3: is beautiful, and then your team gets blown out and

2058
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 3: you're like, what the hell was what was that? There

2059
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 3: are a few names that are gonna be in action

2060
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 3: this weekend. What playing time do you think matters the most?

2061
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 3: So we've got the number one overall pick, cam Ward

2062
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 3: Titans quarterback. We've got Travis Hunter, He's gonna play both

2063
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 3: sides of the ball against the Steelers with the Jags today. Right,

2064
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:41,959
Speaker 3: We've got Jackson Dart Giants rookie quarterback, and also JJ McCarthy.

2065
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 3: I think you put Jackson Dart to the side because

2066
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 3: he might not play at all the entire season, right,

2067
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 3: But between cam Ward Travis Hunter, JJ McCarthy, what playing

2068
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 3: time do you think matters the most in the preseason here.

2069
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 5: Look, I think in terms of where these teams are

2070
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 5: out of expectations, JJ McCarthy, because they're after seeing Sam

2071
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 5: Darnold take the keys of the Vikings franchise and where

2072
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,680
Speaker 5: this team could go with somebody who wasn't suspected to

2073
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 5: play very much competitive football last year. I would say

2074
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 5: Vikings fans are very cure. Now you got an early

2075
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 5: look last preseason. But he also got injured last preseason.

2076
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:29,719
Speaker 5: So with baited breath, I think Vikings fans are waiting

2077
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:32,480
Speaker 5: to see, Okay, now the keys.

2078
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 6: Are his, what is this going to look like? And

2079
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,479
Speaker 6: also injury?

2080
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 5: You know, I mean, is this going to be one

2081
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 5: of those unfortunate but classic stories of a first round

2082
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 5: quarterback who never seems to be able to keep himself

2083
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 5: on the field for long enough to watch a maturity

2084
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 5: and a career fully materialized. So I would say JJ

2085
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 5: McCarthy is going to be amongst the starters you just mentioned,

2086
01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 5: the one that fans are gonna be focused on the most.

2087
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:07,679
Speaker 4: I would agree. I think the Jags would be foolish

2088
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 4: to give Travis Hunter a lot of run in the preseason.

2089
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 4: The dude's gonna play like five million snaps this year, Like,

2090
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 4: can we just relax with getting him the preseason work.

2091
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure he's getting tons of work on both sides

2092
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 4: of the ball in camp. I'm sure he will play

2093
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:23,599
Speaker 4: both sides of the ball tonight. But I'm not gonna

2094
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 4: overreact to a wide receiver slash corner doing anything. In

2095
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 4: preseason Game one, it's always the quarterbacks. Cam wored being

2096
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 4: the number one pick seems like very low hanging fruit.

2097
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 4: We don't expect Tennessee to be very good this year.

2098
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 4: Minnesota we expect to be good like they are projected

2099
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:40,800
Speaker 4: to be a playoff team. What Kevin O'Connell did with

2100
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 4: Sam Donald last year needs to be put in like

2101
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 4: a museum, like it's it's it's that good. I was

2102
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 4: digging through some of the numbers. Twenty four percent of

2103
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 4: Donald's first down attempts last year gained fifteen or more yards.

2104
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 4: That was the number one highest rate in the league.

2105
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 4: The dude was a machine on early downs, and O'Connell's

2106
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 4: really good at disguising what the offense is trying to do. Now,

2107
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 4: Donald was also fortunate last year. He probably should have

2108
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 4: threw more interceptions than he actually did. His turnover worthy

2109
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 4: play rate was very high, but his interception rate was average.

2110
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 4: So there is a case to be made that McCarthy

2111
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:20,719
Speaker 4: might play within the structure of the offense a little

2112
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 4: bit better than Donald, who was a veteran and probably

2113
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 4: took some unnecessary risks or just made some bad reads.

2114
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 4: When I went back and watched, like, we haven't watched

2115
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy play a meaningful football game since the National

2116
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 4: Championship against Washington two years ago. When I watched that game,

2117
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 4: the two things I noticed the most one he was

2118
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 4: great when he was creating right like running and kind

2119
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 4: of creating his own play. You're not going to do

2120
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 4: that in the NFL. A lot you're doing again against Washington,

2121
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 4: You're not gonna do it against you know, really good defenses.

2122
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:50,559
Speaker 4: He didn't do a lot of under center play action

2123
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 4: bootleg like. That's the stuff that Sam Donald excelled in

2124
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,719
Speaker 4: last year. When you're under center back to the defense,

2125
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 4: when you've got to go play action. To me, that's

2126
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 4: when a you have a better opportunity to make throws

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Speaker 4: down the field. But it's also harder to read a

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Speaker 4: defense when your back is to them for a small

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01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 4: amount of time. We're gonna see how JJ McCarty adapts

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01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 4: to that. They ran a ton of pistol at Michigan.

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01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 4: They ran a ton of shotgun. Donald was under center

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01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 4: a lot last year. Can McCarthy get in that mode

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01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 4: where he's reading defenses from top to bottom and not

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01:50:18,360 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 4: just making one read on one side of the field.

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01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 4: Can you scan left to right. So there's a lot

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01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,720
Speaker 4: of questions I have about McCarty and this being his

2137
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 4: second year in the offense, hopefully he will be able

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01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,600
Speaker 4: to accomplish it. So I would say McCarthy's got my

2139
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 4: eyes on him pretty closely.

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01:50:31,240 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's that's a layup because the Vikings

2141
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 3: they won fourteen games last season, They've got real expectations.

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01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 3: They've got a loaded roster. If JJ McCarthy can produce,

2143
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,680
Speaker 3: especially early, that's gonna be huge for them, and that's

2144
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 3: a big question mark. So seeing him out on the

2145
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 3: preseason field getting some reps game like situation, I think

2146
01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 3: that's smart and I applaud Kevin O'Connell. JJ McCarthy got

2147
01:50:56,680 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 3: hurt for the season playing in a preseason game last year.

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01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 3: There are a lot of coaches that would be like,

2149
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 3: he's not even going near.

2150
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:04,559
Speaker 10: Like the.

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01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:08,560
Speaker 4: Starters a lot in the preseason either historically.

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01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 3: Right, But he's not. He's not shying away from this.

2153
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,800
Speaker 3: I look at it like this. I look at training camp,

2154
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:20,519
Speaker 3: joint practices, preseason games all like ramping players up toward

2155
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 3: the regular season. Yeah, And I don't know why we

2156
01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 3: look at preseason like it's this unnecessary, like evil risk.

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01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 3: Why would you even think about doing that? You could

2158
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,160
Speaker 3: play that game with anything. What why go out on

2159
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 3: the practice field. Rashaun Slater just got hurt. Injuries happened

2160
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 3: there right, Like, why have joint practices? We've had injuries

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01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 3: there too. Why are you you could play the Why

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01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:46,479
Speaker 3: are you taking a risk with anything? You can't just

2163
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 3: be in bubble wrap do nothing and then just hit

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01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 3: the ground running in Week one. You gotta get out there.

2165
01:51:51,600 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 3: You gotta practice, you gotta play, you gotta take some risks.

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01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 3: I love that JJ McCarthy is out there, but I

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01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 3: will say this, it's becoming more common to see bigger

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01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 3: names playing. We just talked about Joe Burrow getting preseason action.

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01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:09,639
Speaker 3: Can you imagine for a second straight year JJ McCarthy

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01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 3: suffers like a big time injury.

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01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 6: I hope.

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01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 3: I hate to even throw it out there, but you

2173
01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 3: talk about like it's shifting back the other way where

2174
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,120
Speaker 3: teams are like, oh, oh, nope, we're not doing preseason

2175
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 3: with our ones out there. I hope JJ McCarthy is

2176
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,759
Speaker 3: healthy and fine, but I think these reps are valuable

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01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 3: for him.

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Speaker 6: He needs it for his development one hundred percent.

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01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 5: Again, like you said about the National Championship game being

2180
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:38,719
Speaker 5: his last meaningful snap, think about how long ago that feels.

2181
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 5: Now it's it's insane to think about. But this guy

2182
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 5: hasn't played competitive football for over a year. The last

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01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:51,439
Speaker 5: competitive football he's played was not at this level. And

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01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:56,719
Speaker 5: so the more you see, the more adaptable you become,

2185
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 5: the faster and so you have to see it, you

2186
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 5: have to experience it. You have to feel the speed

2187
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,639
Speaker 5: of this level to even come close to being able

2188
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 5: to exert your will at this level.

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01:53:11,120 --> 01:53:13,080
Speaker 6: So I think it's smart.

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01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 5: Although again, just like you were mentioning, Brian, it's a

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01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:20,080
Speaker 5: measured risk, and you kind of hold your breath from

2192
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:22,719
Speaker 5: the sideline and the booth and you hope everything turns

2193
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 5: out all right, because that's all you got in this

2194
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 5: situation is hope. You hope your offensive line holds up.

2195
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 5: You hope the running back you know gets to his

2196
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 5: blocking assignment. You hope that JJ makes good decisions with

2197
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 5: his health, and you cross your fingers, you cross your chest,

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01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:41,960
Speaker 5: and you just say, come on, JJ, make it to

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Speaker 5: the regular season for US.

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Speaker 4: Buddy, Well, you know, in the Jerry Jones way, you

2201
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 4: know it could get hit by a bus. You know,

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01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 4: you know you can't even step outside your house, like

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01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 4: you can't do anything. You've got to just completely be no.

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01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 4: I think the coaches, each coach, you make so many decisions.

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01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 4: As a head coach in the NFL, this is just

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01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 4: another one of those decisions, and each decision carries risk.

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01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 4: I would if I was a head coach in the NFL,

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01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 4: I would play my starters for at least one drive

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01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 4: in every preseason game. I would want my guys to

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01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 4: go through what it is like to warm up, start

2211
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:23,760
Speaker 4: the game, and then let's see how that first drive goes.

2212
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 4: Maybe it's a three and out, maybe I'd give one

2213
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:29,920
Speaker 4: more drive, but just going through that process getting your

2214
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 4: mind ready to play, because there's a different level. I

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01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:34,880
Speaker 4: can't speak to this. I'm sure Rich can. When you

2216
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 4: know you're not playing in a game, you warm up differently.

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01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,720
Speaker 4: So I want my guys to go through the motion

2218
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 4: of this is how we are warming up to play.

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01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 4: I don't care how long we play. We're still going

2220
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 4: through that process and you gotta play like I would

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01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 4: play my starters at least one drive in every preseason game.

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01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 4: I don't care if they're the best player on the

2223
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:58,760
Speaker 4: planet or rookie right out of the starting gate. I

2224
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,440
Speaker 4: want them to go through that process now.

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01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:02,040
Speaker 6: No, I hear you.

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01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:06,000
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Speaker 3: All right, we got some picks to make. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Rapid fire.

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01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 3: All right, Jared, we start with you.

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01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 4: What do you like fading esteem?

2261
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 6: Baby?

2262
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 4: If you just blindly faded the six point moves in

2263
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 4: the NFL preseason over the last three years, you'd eight. No. Well,

2264
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 4: the Giants were minus three and a half two days ago.

2265
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 4: Now they're plus two and a half, three and a half,

2266
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 4: plus two and a half. Yeah, that's six. No, Josh

2267
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,360
Speaker 4: Allen today, Mitchell Trubisky's gonna start, Russell Wilson's gonna start

2268
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 4: for the Giants. Who cares? You're getting six points of value.

2269
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,640
Speaker 4: I know crossing zero isn't as valuable as just going

2270
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 4: from one to seven, but I still will take the

2271
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 4: Giants plus two and a half. We're gonna fade this

2272
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 4: steam on the Vikings today. Seeing a lot of love

2273
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 4: on Minnesota, I don't care. I'll take five and a half.

2274
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:25,440
Speaker 4: With the Texans. Koc historically limits his starting reps in preseason.

2275
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 4: I know we're gonna see McCarthy. But for the Texans,

2276
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 4: they're also working in a new offensive line, they need

2277
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,720
Speaker 4: some time together, and they're working in some skill position

2278
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:34,280
Speaker 4: dept as well. So I think the Texans are gonna

2279
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 4: see plenty of their ones as well. And we'll go

2280
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 4: under thirty nine and a half Chiefs Cardinals. I've seen

2281
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 4: this total go up from thirty five. Now we're pushing forty.

2282
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 4: If you can find a forty, that's a great bet

2283
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:47,520
Speaker 4: because under forty in the preseason. Totals of forty or

2284
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 4: higher they tend to stay under in the preseason. That's

2285
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 4: what the data says. So I will go under Chiefs

2286
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:54,880
Speaker 4: Cardinals thirty nine and a half later tonight.

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01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 6: Okay, all MLB money lines for me. Braves over Marlin.

2288
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 5: Atlanta's offense is a buzz saw right now. Miami starters

2289
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 5: have been giving up early, crooked numbers. That's a problem

2290
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:12,680
Speaker 5: against this offense. Astros over the Yankees. Okay, Houston's lineup

2291
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:17,919
Speaker 5: kills fastballs. Yankee starters rely on heat. It's a recipe

2292
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 5: for a loud night for Houston. Give me the Stros

2293
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:23,480
Speaker 5: and then Red's over the Pirates. Cincinnati's top of the

2294
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:26,720
Speaker 5: orders hot. The Pirates bullpen has been a gas can.

2295
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 5: I like the Reds in this spot. So give me Braves,

2296
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 5: Astros and Reds all on the money line today.

2297
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 3: All right, you go all baseball rich, I go all WNBA.

2298
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 3: How about that. I'm looking at the Sky against the Fever.

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01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:43,720
Speaker 3: Give me under one sixty three and a half. A

2300
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:47,080
Speaker 3: couple of reasons. Injuries all over the place, right, the

2301
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:49,920
Speaker 3: Sky are bad and they're banged up. It's a bad

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01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:52,280
Speaker 3: basketball team. The under is hitting nine of the last

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01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:56,320
Speaker 3: ten games for the Chicago Sky right. Not great unless

2304
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:57,880
Speaker 3: you're betting the under. That's fantastic.

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01:58:58,600 --> 01:58:59,800
Speaker 6: The Fever. The thing to know what.

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01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 3: They only have nine available players. Caitlin Clark is still

2307
01:59:04,720 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 3: banged up. They have no true point guards. They just

2308
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 3: had two injuries occurred. They have no true point guards.

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01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a sloppy, ugly game. By

2310
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:17,400
Speaker 3: the way, Elijah Boston three and a half assists. She's

2311
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:20,000
Speaker 3: commonly sharing the ball as a big for the Fever.

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01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,080
Speaker 3: I think she goes over. It's a little juicy minus

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01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 3: one fifty five. But keep that in mind. Not a

2314
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:28,080
Speaker 3: play for here because it's too juicy, too juicy for

2315
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 3: rapid fire, But keep it in mind. I think she

2316
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 3: probably gets there. My other two picks, I'm looking at

2317
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:35,440
Speaker 3: the Sparks man. The Sparks are the hottest team in

2318
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 3: the WNBA. They are on fire right now. They played

2319
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:40,800
Speaker 3: great on the road. I'm gonna take their team total

2320
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:44,480
Speaker 3: over eighty four and a half again. They've been triple digits.

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01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,920
Speaker 3: They've reached one hundred points in five in the last

2322
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 3: six games. And I'll go with my girl, Azaray Stevens

2323
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,240
Speaker 3: lit zig Zaget. She had a rough performance last time

2324
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:57,640
Speaker 3: out against the Sun, only ten points, one for seven

2325
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:01,120
Speaker 3: from three. I think that changes against the Valkyries tonight.

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02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 3: I'll take her over twelve and a half points in

2327
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:05,920
Speaker 3: that one. I think the Sparks score a lot of points.

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02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:09,080
Speaker 3: I don't think that Golden State slows them down. I would.

2329
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,040
Speaker 3: I'd take the Sparks, you know, minus the points. But

2330
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 3: it's moved so much. I gotta get a little creative.

2331
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:16,760
Speaker 3: You gotta get a little creative right there.

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02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 6: You know, like that a lot.

2333
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 3: Alright, let's go good, let's parlay everything together. Nine Laker