Speaker 1: If called to serve by b Smote himself. How could
Speaker 1: you say that?
Speaker 2: Man? What's handed? Man? You got Marshawn, Besma Lynch, Doug Hendrickson.
Speaker 3: And Gavin Knewsome and you're listening to politics.
Speaker 2: You ain't going to be You're known to be.
Speaker 4: Marshaun. How's a hit trailer of new movie coming out?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: That's the talk of the world.
Speaker 3: Trailers get to be hits.
Speaker 5: It's the talk of the world this new movie.
Speaker 2: Leave it up to Doug. Man.
Speaker 3: I notice you're a shitty shot, buddy. You can't even
Speaker 3: take the guy out. You know, you're not how to
Speaker 3: use a gun. The hell's going on, marsha.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you man, they trying to ban the
Speaker 2: guns and count in the States right now. So I
Speaker 2: ain't been able to give my practice up man, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And that little motherfucker was fast
Speaker 2: as ship. Kei kwan. He fast as ship?
Speaker 3: Who's that actor?
Speaker 2: Who is he?
Speaker 3: He's a great actor. He's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like he like fifty four years old. And
Speaker 2: this little bitty ass was doing all his own stunts
Speaker 2: and shit. And I'm like, God, damn, I just hope
Speaker 2: to be moving like that at fifty and he did
Speaker 2: all this stunt like he get up, he do all
Speaker 2: his own stunts, like when we was practicing and shit
Speaker 2: doing that, like you know, when I was grabbing him
Speaker 2: and throwing him, He's like, no, actually, like really grab
Speaker 2: me and if you could just hit me a little bit,
Speaker 2: just so I can feel it so I could react.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know about really hitting you, bro,
Speaker 2: Can we just do a really good job at acting
Speaker 2: like it because you hell are small? Like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I can take it.
Speaker 3: Just try it.
Speaker 2: So I hit his ass one time and he was like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, Marshan, I was thinking like, uh, maybe we
Speaker 2: should not do that and you should probably just you know,
Speaker 2: we should just fake it really good. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: Well, all I know, Gavin is that you and I
Speaker 5: are going to be with Marshaun and the Man's Shinese
Speaker 5: Theater in Hollywood for the premiere.
Speaker 3: The Red Carpet, the Red Card Carpet.
Speaker 5: And last time I was there when I did Angel
Speaker 5: in the Alphabet. I got invited to premiere and I
Speaker 5: had seven lines.
Speaker 2: Look at this guy.
Speaker 4: I had lines, boy, go to the true Story, I
Speaker 4: go to the premiere.
Speaker 5: During the movie, I keep saying, like, my scene's about
Speaker 5: to come up, and they cut all my lines. So
Speaker 5: at the end of the movie, I go to Irbie Smith,
Speaker 5: real real famous uh Disney director, and I go, Erbie,
Speaker 5: you're killing me. I bring my buddy. I go to
Speaker 5: the premiere and I said, where are my lines? And
Speaker 5: he said, Doug, welcome to Hollywood. We had to cut
Speaker 5: him all out.
Speaker 3: I was an extra in Sister Act and I think
Speaker 3: I got cut, though I claimed that my hand may
Speaker 3: have been in it. So if there's a mysterious hand
Speaker 3: walking by, that was mine.
Speaker 2: Was you singing? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What are you kidding? I rushed to the theaters to
Speaker 3: see me and I wasn't in it. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: the hell is this? Two days on the set as
Speaker 3: an extra. It's a big moment for me. Man. I
Speaker 3: felt kind of cool.
Speaker 4: Hey Jack, how you doing, Bud?
Speaker 1: Hey everybody?
Speaker 3: Great to be here.
Speaker 1: Hey Governor, good to.
Speaker 3: Be here with you. I appreciate Marshaun. You you're almost
Speaker 3: You're almost better dressed than Jack is today. He's all casual.
Speaker 3: You're looking good, Jack, Well.
Speaker 1: Well, Governor, I had to show you my hat. What's
Speaker 1: your is like? My oldest hat. I wear it every
Speaker 1: day and it's a Balbo cafe. My best friend gave
Speaker 1: my best friend game for my birthday one year and
Speaker 1: we go there best.
Speaker 3: This is the best guess we've had. This is our guy.
Speaker 2: What the hell?
Speaker 3: Where'd you get that? Seriously, where'd you get My best friend.
Speaker 1: Gave it to me for my birth We have a
Speaker 1: birthday gift friendship, and this was my special gift like
Speaker 1: two years ago, and I haven't really taken it off
Speaker 1: since then. We go we go there every time I
Speaker 1: visit him alt in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Jesus, I didn't even know that man.
Speaker 2: I did not know that at Echelon?
Speaker 5: What what is that of Govin's Bori Moore sean below
Speaker 5: man Balboa Cafe in San Francisco.
Speaker 2: I thought he said bubble. I say, I don't know
Speaker 2: that one. That must be the upper eche line.
Speaker 3: I love it. By the way, tell me Jack, you
Speaker 3: know put all damn mayonnaise on every single thing?
Speaker 1: You feel like, I'm like, oh my god, I'm mister
Speaker 1: mayonnaise right now. Yeah, I actually really do mean all
Speaker 1: of it. I love mayonnaise. I think it just makes
Speaker 1: everything so much better. Serious, I really love it.
Speaker 2: Man, I'll throw up if I hate that.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: Dude, it's even worse than you think. Jack literally orders pizzas.
Speaker 1: Bro Yeah, I put it on pizza well because it's
Speaker 1: like a sandwich.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But Jack, this miracle whip does miracle whip constant? I'm
Speaker 4: a miracle.
Speaker 1: I ain't mayonnaise. I mean Helman's Man, I love my
Speaker 1: miracle whip.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that shit is terrible.
Speaker 1: I don't actually know if I ever had it, but
Speaker 1: you know what, I should give a try.
Speaker 3: Oh that ain't right. I don't even understand that there
Speaker 3: are a lot of anti mayonnaise people out there. Jack,
Speaker 3: you see are losing folks.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's it's I'm prepared for this fight. It's a
Speaker 1: fight that I've been preparing for.
Speaker 5: Well, Jack, we're on her because you know, Gavin and
Speaker 5: I are just state school, public school kids, but we're
Speaker 5: on or having two Ivy League guys there, Marshawn being
Speaker 5: a Princeton graduate after.
Speaker 3: Princeton trust yeah with a wink and or no Princeton,
Speaker 3: but he does have a certificate somehow he got it.
Speaker 2: Not somehow, man, you know, I put in work for
Speaker 2: that thing. My boy, I wan't talk about Batman. I
Speaker 2: put in work for that long hours.
Speaker 3: But Marshan, I mean, Jack's got this. I don't know
Speaker 3: he went to I had to look him up the thing.
Speaker 3: What's something called Yale? And what was the other one?
Speaker 3: Doug starts with an h like.
Speaker 5: It wasn't Home, It wasn't Humboldt, State, wasn't nick Hard
Speaker 5: small squad.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you got to you gotta get
Speaker 2: him right when they do that, because you know they
Speaker 2: gonna play this. We went to public school and state school.
Speaker 2: And she said, what makes Marshan?
Speaker 1: What do we do? What do I say?
Speaker 2: You got to? No, you got to just make sure
Speaker 2: you tighten them up. You feel me. You got to
Speaker 2: get them together and let him know what type of
Speaker 2: time you want you feel me? Have him pronounced it right,
Speaker 2: because it sounds like there you go. Did you heard university?
Speaker 4: Who's ever said you university?
Speaker 3: I never haven't heard of Harvard, but not Harvard University.
Speaker 2: But see, he wants you to know.
Speaker 1: I want you to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he want you to know.
Speaker 1: Marshaun. I just got to say this. I'm a huge
Speaker 1: fan of yours and I think you're so cool. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah a long time and skittles during the game
Speaker 1: and anyway, you're just like everything. Yeah, you're a super
Speaker 1: inspiring guy. So it's an honor to be here with you,
Speaker 1: and you.
Speaker 2: Know what, I appreciate it, big dog.
Speaker 5: If Marshawn ends up running for mayor of Oakland, we
Speaker 5: need you to run his TikTok account because you're pretty
Speaker 5: good at TikTok speaking. Have you run the TikTok account
Speaker 5: for Marshawn is the mayor of Oakland?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well, I'm pretty sure Marshawn's got me
Speaker 1: beat on all things communication. But I'm if if called
Speaker 1: to serve by be smote himself. How could you say
Speaker 1: that you.
Speaker 2: Know what the code party is. I don't even play
Speaker 2: TikTok though, you feel what I'm saying. But but Doug,
Speaker 2: I mean Doug, he ain't gonna let you play down nothing.
Speaker 2: But he did you know? That was one thing that
Speaker 2: he did tell me about you and how you rocket
Speaker 2: on there. How for me, I just I just don't
Speaker 2: know it, maybe because I'm hell old or something and
Speaker 2: I just probably don't get it. But you enjoy doing
Speaker 2: that shit though, Huh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel like I for me, it's
Speaker 1: like so fun to make the videos or make videos.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's really fun and I just kind
Speaker 1: of messing around. I've always been doing. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of like something that I've been doing in the background
Speaker 1: because I'm just a kid who had grew up with
Speaker 1: Instagram and stuff. But I didn't get on TikTok till
Speaker 1: a couple months ago. And it's really weird. It's really
Speaker 1: different than I thought. I was kind of scared of it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be like really scary
Speaker 1: and really hard to figure out. But yeah, no, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. I feel like it gets a bad
Speaker 1: rap people say, like talk about social media like it's
Speaker 1: it's somehow like less dignified than other things. But I
Speaker 1: feel like right now we're seeing that it in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways drives the conversation and allows you to
Speaker 1: talk directly to people in a way that I didn't
Speaker 1: really fully understand until I started doing it.
Speaker 2: Well that's crazy, because then you must got it. You
Speaker 2: must got a pretty good algorithm on there. Because when
Speaker 2: I see some like like when my family members and
Speaker 2: shit showed me something like that, all I see is
Speaker 2: butt cheeks. You feel what I'm saying, butt cheeks and
Speaker 2: fucking fights and car accidents and all kind of crazy
Speaker 2: shit like that. So, I mean, I guess it just
Speaker 2: depends on your algorithm or the way that you choose
Speaker 2: to use that thing. But you know, for a minute there,
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna lie. The butt cheeks really did have
Speaker 2: my mond, Doug.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're even talking about.
Speaker 5: Well, well, actually, Jack, speaking of TikTok was pretty cool.
Speaker 5: Is that you call out JD Vance all the time, who,
Speaker 5: by the way, I think is kind of bizarre, crazy too.
Speaker 5: But the cool thing is you call him out and
Speaker 5: in return, Govin gets called out by Trump every day,
Speaker 5: called new scum. But you're doing it in a cool
Speaker 5: way where it's like you're just telling them, hey, listen,
Speaker 5: hear the facts. Give me some answers. Gavin gets called
Speaker 5: up by Trump every day new scum. You know, I'll
Speaker 5: da da da, And it's and it's kind of interesting
Speaker 5: your TikTok stuff on JD and Gavin can allude on
Speaker 5: his Trump stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh well, but Jack, I mean, but it is it
Speaker 3: does beg a question, man, I mean, you're not shy
Speaker 3: about any of this and you know, I appreciate your
Speaker 3: willingness to put yourself out. You can contrast that to
Speaker 3: some of our major national newspapers that didn't even want
Speaker 3: to make a decision and their editorial boards about which
Speaker 3: direction to go in November. You've made it pretty clear
Speaker 3: about who you're supporting, what you're about. But I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it does come. And we were joking about the mayonnaise,
Speaker 3: but I mean, you got it. I mean, there's got
Speaker 3: to be a you know, there's obvious not just the risk,
Speaker 3: there's a reality of backlash and a lot of hate.
Speaker 3: I imagine that's a big part of it as well.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I feel like, I mean, coming from you,
Speaker 1: that's such a compliment. I feel like if I can
Speaker 1: think of one person who has stood out in the
Speaker 1: last four years, I mean longer than that, but really
Speaker 1: especially the last four years of just like being someone
Speaker 1: to deliver the positive, clear, strong message that I want
Speaker 1: to hear as a Democrat. You have been doing that,
Speaker 1: you know, as well and not better than anybody.
Speaker 2: And I told Batman, go around for fucking president.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's like you've gone on limb yourself.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're saying that I'm, you know whatever, risking something,
Speaker 1: but you know you do it every day too, and
Speaker 1: I feel like, so that's a huge complent coming from you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I don't know, Marshawn could tell
Speaker 1: every like the haters whatever, haters or whatever, they help
Speaker 1: you out.
Speaker 2: It's crazy that you just say that, because right before
Speaker 2: you came home, we will talk about the haters that
Speaker 2: they might have something to say about Lebrown and shit,
Speaker 2: and we had it. You know, I mean, it's simple
Speaker 2: little two words for you. Fuck you? I mean you
Speaker 2: know that ship that shit is simple, but it goes
Speaker 2: a long way, a long way. You should you should
Speaker 2: try it. You give it a try, like right now?
Speaker 2: Like fuck you?
Speaker 1: Wait, mar Shaan, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: How do you like? I feel like something I've noticed
Speaker 1: is that maybe I started off funny, but the more
Speaker 1: time I spend around uh people who are in politics,
Speaker 1: less funny I become. But I feel like you've managed
Speaker 1: to maintain like, uh hilarious attitude and focus obviously, Like
Speaker 1: how do you stay in the pocket like that and
Speaker 1: not get your brain warped by everybody around you? Uh?
Speaker 2: I think it's probably more so just like Uh, I'm
Speaker 2: not of this I'm not of this world. I'm like
Speaker 2: in it. So I don't really got no problem with
Speaker 2: the way that people judge me or if they got
Speaker 2: something to say about me, especially if they don't know me.
Speaker 2: So that shit has been something that I've been able
Speaker 2: to take and I've been able to like really hondo too.
Speaker 2: And I really ain't got no like, I ain't got
Speaker 2: no shame, like you know what I mean. I sit
Speaker 2: here with the with the governor of California, you know,
Speaker 2: week in and week out, and I don't feel I
Speaker 2: need to be a particular type of way because of
Speaker 2: his title. I just look at him as shit, this
Speaker 2: is dog that come to my my foundation events or
Speaker 2: come out to my camp going pop up like shit,
Speaker 2: what's handled with you? My boy? You fit? So I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel no pressure to be somebody that I'm not.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what really, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: helped me or is me like I just I'm just me.
Speaker 2: I can't i' see no other need to want to
Speaker 2: be somebody else, And I love that.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting, you know, Marshawn here and you say that,
Speaker 3: and I deeply appreciate that. And you know that's what
Speaker 3: makes Marshawn so wonderful is he's He's the same damn guy,
Speaker 3: no matter the circumstance and whoever he's with or in
Speaker 3: front of and totally authentic. But Jack, I mean, for you,
Speaker 3: it man, it comes with a lot of expectation, right.
Speaker 3: I mean you you walk into the room and you've
Speaker 3: got all that legacy attached to you. And that's where
Speaker 3: I think it takes even more courage in some respects
Speaker 3: for you to be so expressive because you're putting stuff
Speaker 3: on the line, and I imagine your families, you know,
Speaker 3: they can't help it to be a little sensitized by it,
Speaker 3: positive there negatively.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: And So what I mean, how's that experience been for
Speaker 3: you as you? I mean, you talk about coming out
Speaker 3: on TikTok recently, but it's not just that. I mean
Speaker 3: you kind of blown up online a much bigger I mean,
Speaker 3: in a pretty powerful way, your legit influencer. Now in
Speaker 3: the conversation, you got a generation of folks that aren't
Speaker 3: necessarily tuned in. You're tuning them up and focused on
Speaker 3: this election. But again with a lot of that I
Speaker 3: don't want to call it baggage, but expectation that's laid
Speaker 3: in with it as well.
Speaker 1: Well. No, totally. I mean I appreciate I appreciate you
Speaker 1: recognizing that. I think that for me, the last few
Speaker 1: months have really been like I haven't been thinking about
Speaker 1: it too much because I actually really care about what's
Speaker 1: going on and that's at the center of it all.
Speaker 1: And I think that that allows you to play with
Speaker 1: people's minds and play with expectation and play with others
Speaker 1: like bounce off the legacy aspect if you actually care
Speaker 1: and think that you're hard is in the right place,
Speaker 1: and that you're going to be able to stand by
Speaker 1: what you did either way because you think it like
Speaker 1: you weren't. I wasn't prepared to not do anything this year,
Speaker 1: and that could mean a lot of different things, Like I,
Speaker 1: you know, a part of me thought like I should
Speaker 1: just go, you know, slog it out and work at
Speaker 1: a law firm or a public defender's office something like that,
Speaker 1: which is incredible work. But I feel like I was like, no,
Speaker 1: but I think I'm kind of better at making videos.
Speaker 1: And the kids that I would say next to you
Speaker 1: in law school, they should they are much better at
Speaker 1: being lawyers. And we should trust them and not me,
Speaker 1: and I should make the videos.
Speaker 3: So I think that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I feel like for me, it's
Speaker 1: like this has been a fun way to experiment rather
Speaker 1: than like, oh my god, the Kennedy legacy and how
Speaker 1: and I have to be so serious and do all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I mean, I spent a pretty long time
Speaker 1: in school not really misbehaving at all, and I live
Speaker 1: a pretty like straight and narrow life, and I'm super
Speaker 1: disciplined about a lot of different things. So I feel like, damn,
Speaker 1: how boring is does she so boring? Oh? My god?
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever, it is not boring. I'm so lucky
Speaker 1: I got to go there.
Speaker 4: But no, well, Jack, let me ask a question.
Speaker 5: Like Kevin said, you're obviously the most famous family in
Speaker 5: the world, the Kennedy's and whatnot, and growing up as
Speaker 5: a kid in that environment that press your head on you.
Speaker 5: Was there ever a way any Was there any time
Speaker 5: you almost went the wrong way because you see so
Speaker 5: many families with kids and grandkids and whatnot that go detour.
Speaker 5: Was there ever a point that you remember you almost
Speaker 5: went south with a bad crew of friends or something
Speaker 5: like that, or how was.
Speaker 1: That for me? It was never like bad crew of friends.
Speaker 1: It was more like just like putting too much much
Speaker 1: on myself. I had a really bad One thing that
Speaker 1: like I would say, is like I had a really
Speaker 1: bad injury for a while and I couldn't and I
Speaker 1: had to like have like you know, Marshan Froine knows
Speaker 1: all about this, but I like I could really walk
Speaker 1: for like a number of years, and I think that
Speaker 1: that was like a major personality for me experience that
Speaker 1: I think allowed me to develop some resilience. I take
Speaker 1: my grandfather's legacy really seriously and something that I've been
Speaker 1: like working to with the JFP Library since I was
Speaker 1: like seventeen or eighteen years old. Also, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm talking way too much and we've got like three
Speaker 1: incredible people here, so I should I should stop.
Speaker 2: No, that's what you hear, folks.
Speaker 1: No, But I mean so like I put a lot
Speaker 1: of work and a thought into thinking about President Kennedy
Speaker 1: and what he means and like what the coolest aspects
Speaker 1: of his legacy are, and listening to his speeches and
Speaker 1: studying that and speaking about him and like applying the
Speaker 1: lessons of his time to our time. It's like all
Speaker 1: throughout my life, throughout every day, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's like kept me pretty straight and narrow. But I
Speaker 1: would say that after I released some of the videos
Speaker 1: first time around, I was like, did I like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like a couple of days went by and
Speaker 1: nobody said anything, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 5: Ouch, did I piss my mom off?
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 1: That's good if nobody says anything, like, you know, But anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that I was happy with the reaction in
Speaker 1: the long long term.
Speaker 3: But it's interesting, I mean, because your videos are related.
Speaker 3: I mean it's interesting use humor primarily as sort of
Speaker 3: the I mean, that's that's how you sort of bring
Speaker 3: people in to the conversation. I mean, obviously that had
Speaker 3: to be a big part of I mean, have you
Speaker 3: always been that guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well totally, I think, like totally like a clown
Speaker 1: forever and love making people laugh and love doing impressions
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I definitely have my serious
Speaker 1: side too, and I like to have both. I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's like what I find really fun is
Speaker 1: to be like able to freak people out because they're
Speaker 1: expecting me to be do something like weird and I'm
Speaker 1: just like a serious, normal person and they're like, huh,
Speaker 1: he's so nice. I'm like, yeah, well I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do that, right I'm not going to go crazy
Speaker 1: right now. But yeah, I think humor. I feel like
Speaker 1: you probably get this. I mean, you've been in politics
Speaker 1: a long time. It's like you got to break through
Speaker 1: and and you can do that in a number of ways.
Speaker 1: You can be like vulgar and you can attack people,
Speaker 1: and you can be like you can do things that
Speaker 1: other people do, or you can like try to have
Speaker 1: a hopeful spind and I think humor. Humor is a
Speaker 1: great way to do that. And it's really all I've got.
Speaker 2: So you got like hell of security and ship around
Speaker 2: you all the time, like no nothing.
Speaker 1: This whole thing has been me literally just me and
Speaker 1: my phone. And I have now I have like two
Speaker 1: really cool people helping me, like who I've known for
Speaker 1: a really long time, like my friends growing up, and
Speaker 1: they're like pitching in. But it's really just been me
Speaker 1: on my phone, man.
Speaker 2: Because it's crazy, right, So when when they when they
Speaker 2: release like the press of like oh yeah, mar Sean
Speaker 2: Gevin and Doug they doing this podcast, Ship I had
Speaker 2: this dude come up to me while I was in
Speaker 2: the airport going to go through our first our first show,
Speaker 2: and I had this dude come up to me like hey,
Speaker 2: mar Shan, and I'm I'm already you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: i'd have made up my mind already, like man, I
Speaker 2: don't know why they didn't give me the ball, like right,
Speaker 2: because that's how usually people come. And he's like, you
Speaker 2: fucking scum back, And I'm like, what the fuck, I mean,
Speaker 2: what the fuck wrong with you? Bruh, Like you're fucking
Speaker 2: doing that that podcast with fucking news com like fuck you.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, hold on the fuck type of
Speaker 2: time you're on, brud like And it was weird because
Speaker 2: it's normally a guy that probably wouldn't have said shit
Speaker 2: to me. But you know, I'm like, man, what the
Speaker 2: fuck going on? So fuck you. I'll fuck you. I'll
Speaker 2: fuck you up right now. I'll fucking kick your ass, like, man,
Speaker 2: I beat the shit out of you in this airport.
Speaker 2: You got me fucked up, Like oh shit. So when
Speaker 2: I get to Batman, I'm like, hey, bro, you gotta
Speaker 2: you gotta give me some secret service or something. You
Speaker 2: gotta give me some people to come travel with me
Speaker 2: because you know I didn't. It's a different kind of
Speaker 2: beef when you you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: By the way, Jackie's not He's not bullshitting. He literally
Speaker 3: walked in tells me this story. He's like, Bro, I'm serious,
Speaker 3: I need security. Man. What the hell am I doing
Speaker 3: with you? Why am I even associating?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm like, Bro, it's a different kind of beef. Like, Bro,
Speaker 2: you got this from kind of motherfuckers who looking to
Speaker 2: fuck you up and they can't get to you, but
Speaker 2: they could get to me, Like you gotta get me
Speaker 2: some secret service or something. So I'm like, man, you
Speaker 2: know what you being? You know who you aren't thinking?
Speaker 2: Like damn, bro probably got like eighteen security guards somewhere
Speaker 2: in back or to the side of something.
Speaker 1: You'd be so surprised at how much of a chaotic
Speaker 1: mess my life is.
Speaker 4: Marshawn.
Speaker 5: On that note, I'm curious, Gavin, we weren't around then,
Speaker 5: but like you know, Jack's grandfather when he was president,
Speaker 5: do you think he had the same people that had
Speaker 5: the vitriol Gavin that either if they didn't like him,
Speaker 5: or did people come up to the guys back then
Speaker 5: and yell at him say stuff or was it more
Speaker 5: of respect factor than it is now? I mean, do
Speaker 5: you any stories you've heard on that jack in terms
Speaker 5: of your round as far as what went on back
Speaker 5: in the day.
Speaker 1: And like there are the other two boys one And
Speaker 1: the first point is like it's always been like really
Speaker 1: difficult in politics, and I think that that's always been true.
Speaker 1: And it's a mistake to think like it's way worse
Speaker 1: now than it was in the past, because I think
Speaker 1: like a lot of things get glossed over from the past.
Speaker 3: That were terrible.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But I think the second point is like there's no
Speaker 1: denying that things are more heated now than they were
Speaker 1: and people have a much maybe bolder than they were.
Speaker 1: I feel like something that comes to mind. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I was a Senate page in high school
Speaker 1: and my uncle Teddy Senator Kennedy, was there, and I
Speaker 1: remember there was a senator who had been elected four
Speaker 1: years ago and he was still waiting to get his
Speaker 1: first speech on the floor. And that was like the
Speaker 1: old school rules. It was like you weren't allowed to
Speaker 1: talk until just to wait your turn for years and
Speaker 1: years and years. And I know that today now it's
Speaker 1: like people go in the first month, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of maybe that's a good thing, but I think that
Speaker 1: there is kind of less of a reverence for tradition.
Speaker 3: Maybe No, it's interesting way, Doug, just the remind you
Speaker 3: of Marshawn. I mean, Jack's grandfather was one of the
Speaker 3: closest elections in American history, So we were as a
Speaker 3: nation arguably as divided we are today one and it
Speaker 3: was interesting as well. It also was marked, I mean
Speaker 3: infamously by the impact that media had at the time
Speaker 3: to elevate a Canada or at least perceived of vetted
Speaker 3: to candidate. And of course now the changing media environment,
Speaker 3: Jack is obviously also playing into this where you don't
Speaker 3: even have no one even cares about giving an eloquent
Speaker 3: speech on the floor because they can go on one
Speaker 3: of the cable networks and express their grievance and get
Speaker 3: a bunch of viral hits online.
Speaker 1: Totally, I mean, yeah, I mean, I really do think
Speaker 1: about this stuff all the time. I mean, what concerns
Speaker 1: me the most about what I say on the Internet
Speaker 1: and why I really felt like I needed to post
Speaker 1: and why I started posting more was, you know, I
Speaker 1: realized that the only way to combat disinformation is like
Speaker 1: not maybe through government regulation, but through posting your own
Speaker 1: ideas and thoughts and and flooding the space with what
Speaker 1: you think is right, and because otherwise it's just there's
Speaker 1: a limited number of time, a limit number of eyeballs
Speaker 1: people are just going to be watching, and if Trump's
Speaker 1: on there all the time, then like exposure effect over time,
Speaker 1: that works, and so I think, like I think, but
Speaker 1: then again it's all it's also like a dangerous path.
Speaker 1: You're like, well, now I'm just going to post everything,
Speaker 1: and that's not a healthy mental space to be in either.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I see a lot of promise
Speaker 1: with what's going on right now. I feel like young
Speaker 1: people are like coming up with their own ideas, And
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you've done this, Governor of like filming
Speaker 1: content with and an influencer who's like kind of obscure
Speaker 1: but because a really loyal following, and then they like,
Speaker 1: that's a really good use of your time. And I
Speaker 1: think things are kind of decentralizing and a what I
Speaker 1: think is going to be a good a good pattern.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious, like how much of since you got elected, Governor,
Speaker 1: how much it's changed, like in terms of like this year,
Speaker 1: you're making tons of videos, but when you first got elected,
Speaker 1: that was like not a thing.
Speaker 3: Now, well, I've just watched I mean, and you know,
Speaker 3: since my time as lieutenant governor, I'd say there's trend
Speaker 3: lines now a headline you sort of you see a
Speaker 3: significant contraction of traditional media. I mean, I just see
Speaker 3: it in the number of people that show up at
Speaker 3: a press conference in Sacramento. I go back to the
Speaker 3: Schwarzenegger days, which were crazy. I mean you look at
Speaker 3: some of those press conferences, you look at photos, and
Speaker 3: there it seemed in some cases, I mean, he had
Speaker 3: over one hundred media outlets at certain times. Of course,
Speaker 3: he was international celebrity in every way. He's not comparable
Speaker 3: to most, but back in the day, sort of the
Speaker 3: Reagan days in California, but even more contemporary days, going
Speaker 3: back to Duke Major and Wilson some of the previous governors.
Speaker 3: You look at the press corps and you see it
Speaker 3: hollowed out, smaller and smaller number of people. But really
Speaker 3: that accelerant I think went through COVID and then you
Speaker 3: really started to realize that we were you know, that
Speaker 3: we had to sort of in that social space because
Speaker 3: back to Marshawn's point about the algorithms, feels like we
Speaker 3: were living in two different worlds and we started I
Speaker 3: really started to see things sort of pull away in
Speaker 3: terms of truth and trust, and we weren't having the
Speaker 3: same conversation. We always were struggling to have the same
Speaker 3: Walter Cronkite type discussion. But boy, I think that accelerant
Speaker 3: during COVID and that, you know, is the emergence of TikTok.
Speaker 3: Obviously a maturation of Instagram and social media more broadly
Speaker 3: dispersed generationally like Facebook as platforms and others, and obviously
Speaker 3: X previously Twitter, but now man, it's it's I mean,
Speaker 3: if you're not in this space fighting for eyeballs and attention,
Speaker 3: then you're not able to You're not effectively communicating. Think
Speaker 3: is one of the reasons we're all doing this podcast
Speaker 3: is just trying to find different angles a way of
Speaker 3: communicating to real people and not having that filter or
Speaker 3: being in a filter bubble as it were.
Speaker 5: No, it's funny, Gavin and you guys and I going
Speaker 5: back to more Shawn the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: I'm just here so well could find Jack remember that
Speaker 4: exactly mean that.
Speaker 5: Then, and and unapologetically Marshawn's always been real. Gavin's always
Speaker 5: done been real, didn't give a ship, And you're the
Speaker 5: same way right now. You could take the high road
Speaker 5: and be kind of low key and safe, but you're not.
Speaker 5: We appreciate that because you know, coming from where you
Speaker 5: came from and you being outspoken and your beliefs is
Speaker 5: really freaking cool.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, I really appreciate that. I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a lot to say. I feel
Speaker 1: like things are really this is like a huge moment,
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's easy to get lost in
Speaker 1: the manicha whatever, but it's like this isn't this is
Speaker 1: couldnt be more important and cannot be more more clear.
Speaker 1: And I think something that I've learned or didn't see
Speaker 1: really coming in the last year is the gender gap
Speaker 1: that I'm that we're seeing in terms of Democrats losing
Speaker 1: support among young men and seeing as governor you are
Speaker 1: peak masculine energy. Marshawan seems alphaz like, how do we
Speaker 1: And Doug, of course you and me are both the
Speaker 1: traditional male alpha, but I'm wondering, like, how do we?
Speaker 1: How do you? How do we break through to God,
Speaker 1: how do you talk to young men? I mean, governor,
Speaker 1: have you had any success?
Speaker 3: Now, Jack, I was going to ask you that question.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We talk about this sort of bro culture online and
Speaker 3: it's a big part of this election. And you know,
Speaker 3: and you say, talk about that gender gap. It's next
Speaker 3: level in both both directions, right, Kamala running away in
Speaker 3: a post Dobbs world, particularly around reproductive freedom, but also
Speaker 3: just more broadly on women's rights. And obviously Trump is
Speaker 3: just sort of dominating in that that Dana White space,
Speaker 3: that sort of Joe roganification of our politics. And you know,
Speaker 3: Joe's pretty moderate compared to some of these other folks
Speaker 3: out there. But I mean, I'm curious to you, I
Speaker 3: mean this, I mean, how what's your feedback in that space?
Speaker 3: I mean, how are you trying to to sort of
Speaker 3: try to address some of that. Well.
Speaker 1: I think that a huge reason for any success that
Speaker 1: I've had is has been because I am one of
Speaker 1: the only like young male liberal voices on the internet.
Speaker 1: And that was like a hole that I saw and
Speaker 1: was just frustrated by myself because like I like all
Speaker 1: the characters on the conservative side as characters like I
Speaker 1: like to look at their Instagram videos. I think they're
Speaker 1: so hilarious entertaining, and I get kick out of it
Speaker 1: and I want to know what they're saying and I
Speaker 1: want to know what's going on there because I find
Speaker 1: it just interesting and they're effective, I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think it's like this may sound reductive and dumb,
Speaker 1: but I think if Democrats could do better on talking
Speaker 1: about the economy, then they would probably also do better
Speaker 1: with young men. And I think that a lot of
Speaker 1: the social media stuff that I see online, it's like
Speaker 1: a convergence between like you know, working out slash ice
Speaker 1: Bath and Crypto and like like other hacks, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of all about like performance and an optimization, which
Speaker 1: is like a great thing.
Speaker 5: Well, well, Gavin Marshawn's a younger culture. He can tell
Speaker 5: you from his aspect because I don't, like I said,
Speaker 5: I mean to me, you almost have to really have
Speaker 5: the talking points, and I don't know, you know, Trump
Speaker 5: does it geniusly, of course in terms of you know
Speaker 5: what he says, people buying, but Marshawn, coming you're in
Speaker 5: your point of view, I think it's.
Speaker 2: Just more so because like it's almost like when you
Speaker 2: speaks like Trump speak to Trump, speak to the people
Speaker 2: you have. You have a lot of situations where it's
Speaker 2: almost like now when you look at it, like being
Speaker 2: a masculine man, like that's a that's a bad thing
Speaker 2: with all of the shit that's going on, Like oh,
Speaker 2: you need to be talking about your emotions and your feelings,
Speaker 2: getting in touch with this and getting in touch with that.
Speaker 2: And Dan, if you say a certain thing about yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean certain group of people, motherfuckers look at you like, oh,
Speaker 2: fuck him, he's not right and wh how did he
Speaker 2: say that? And then you got the council culture. And
Speaker 2: then you got individuals who, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: see the change in the world, and it's like okay
Speaker 2: from a man, like Okay, this is what the women is,
Speaker 2: this is what they accepting, this is what they like,
Speaker 2: this is what they're saying. Then as a man, you're
Speaker 2: gonna plan to that because you gonna want the woman.
Speaker 2: So therefore it'll start to uh decline. And then you
Speaker 2: get more individuals who you know, fall in line with
Speaker 2: was the uh politically correct way to be as a man.
Speaker 2: And if you you know what I mean, you stand
Speaker 2: up and you stand on what the fuck you feel
Speaker 2: then oh, no, fuck you, we ain't fucking with you
Speaker 2: no more. We don't like you. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: It's kind of like if you are a fucking alpha male,
Speaker 2: you're a bad guy, and you have Trump that speak
Speaker 2: to those bad guys and then he'll tell, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get you some money too. Oh shit, Now
Speaker 2: I'm really listening to what you say. All of that
Speaker 2: other ship you was in, or if you racist or
Speaker 2: you we think you that way, and but hold on,
Speaker 2: you stand up for being a being a man and
Speaker 2: you're Finnah, give me a couple of dollars by all year.
Speaker 1: I rock with that.
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, it's just the way that
Speaker 2: you know, people retain or receive information, And like you said,
Speaker 2: he a genius when he do it, and he speaks
Speaker 2: to that demographic of people. So you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you get an understanding from that.
Speaker 3: Jack what I mean. It's interesting and I appreciate what
Speaker 3: marshauns saying because I think you know this this kind
Speaker 3: of this backlash to this emphasis around toxic masculinity and
Speaker 3: that kind of ship, and I mean it's interesting and
Speaker 3: I get your point in sort of the it's sort
Speaker 3: of us pushback against you know, I don't know what
Speaker 3: they sort of what would be perceived. I don't want
Speaker 3: to play into the frame.
Speaker 2: But just even that, you have to be aware and
Speaker 2: conscious of what the fuck you say, because had you
Speaker 2: said what the fuck I thought you was gonna say,
Speaker 2: then from some angle or some kind of fucking way,
Speaker 2: then they own fuck Gavin Newson. He said blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: bah blah blah blah, and this that and the third.
Speaker 2: So therefore, in your mind, you played that shit real quickly.
Speaker 2: Hold on, maybe I might, I might not want to.
Speaker 1: Go down that road.
Speaker 3: They may save me. But what I mean, Jay, you
Speaker 3: you've been thinking about this. Man, to your point, that's
Speaker 3: a hell of a statement. I never thought about it.
Speaker 3: You're exactly and by the way, as someone as a
Speaker 3: student of this, I never really even put it together.
Speaker 3: You are one of the few liberal sort of young
Speaker 3: male voices out there that's ubiquitous online. You're one hundred
Speaker 3: percent it's dominant in sort of a hard right conservative
Speaker 3: for a construct anyway, what do you think of what
Speaker 3: Marshaun said, Man, I mean.
Speaker 1: I think that there's so much truth to that, and
Speaker 1: like so much of it is kind of like not
Speaker 1: rational but like emotional, and we all kind of can
Speaker 1: feel it and know what's going on, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to it's hard to come up with like a linear
Speaker 1: story as to like, oh, well, like young men feel
Speaker 1: this and therefore we need to talk to them differently.
Speaker 1: I think, like, personally, I think risk taking behavior online
Speaker 1: is attractive to people. And I think that I've taken
Speaker 1: risks with being like silly or punny, but I think
Speaker 1: like taking risks is something that people respect either way,
Speaker 1: and I think that I think it's a hard thing
Speaker 1: to do in politics, and there's a lot of reasons
Speaker 1: not to take any risks. I think you have to,
Speaker 1: especially if you want to do anything about this problem,
Speaker 1: which is going to be a problem going forward. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's what I'm like, Oh man, if we
Speaker 1: lost like all these young guys this time, it's going
Speaker 1: to be hard to get them back. I mean, we
Speaker 1: obviously can be done. But anyway, that's just kind of
Speaker 1: how I see it.
Speaker 5: But you know, assent on the on the gender gap, Gavin,
Speaker 5: This is funny, Jack. So, a couple of nights ago,
Speaker 5: my my freshman in high school daughter had a volleyball
Speaker 5: game and one of her teammates, you know, got a
Speaker 5: spike and kind of got in the other team's face
Speaker 5: and the coach's face and whatnot. Nothing like crazy, but
Speaker 5: you know, kind of got showed emotion and which to me,
Speaker 5: I think is great because men have been doing that
Speaker 5: for fifty years. Okay, well from that game the other night,
Speaker 5: there's been a backlash in regards to parents, calling the ad,
Speaker 5: calling the principal. I can't believe this girl did this,
Speaker 5: did that. It's like, dude, like Draymond Green doesn't show emotion,
Speaker 5: Dennis Robin didn't show emotion, Lebron Steph Curry night night.
Speaker 4: But a girl does it now and the community is in.
Speaker 5: Uproar because she spiked the ball, showed some emotion and
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 4: So we're still going back.
Speaker 5: And this is when you know, female sports want to
Speaker 5: be paid the same and all the same stuff. But
Speaker 5: now you have a community of parents and people thinking
Speaker 5: the emotion of a female is wrong.
Speaker 4: And which I thought was total bullshit.
Speaker 5: So I called the family, say screw them, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, And I'm gonna go tell the A
Speaker 5: D and principal go after themselves too. But like that's
Speaker 5: where we're at still, Gavin, and it sucks because it
Speaker 5: shouldn't be right. But going back to the Trump, like
Speaker 5: Moreshawn said, you know, he's just gonna say one way,
Speaker 5: people like, okay, cool, you know what.
Speaker 2: I mean, fresh, let me help you, let me help
Speaker 2: you out. Now say it with no. Now, that's that's
Speaker 2: where you get the haters at. And then that's where
Speaker 2: you got to say these two famous words. Come on now,
Speaker 2: come on now, you got to say like this, fuck you.
Speaker 2: They screw your ship. They don't understand. You got to
Speaker 2: hit him with the fuck you. When you get a
Speaker 2: hater on line, you gotta get him with the fuck you.
Speaker 5: Yes, amen, just then. And then the school's president was
Speaker 5: a nun, So I didn't want to tell.
Speaker 3: The none that. No, you're not gonna tell it none
Speaker 3: that and None's scared that he I mean, that's uh.
Speaker 3: I got some pts from Maname barget back in the day.
Speaker 3: That's another conversation, by the way, just hey, uh, you
Speaker 3: know it's without getting too far off, we were just discussing,
Speaker 3: which I think is a profoundly. I think if there's
Speaker 3: one thing after this election that could be determinative, meaning
Speaker 3: in terms of the outcome of the election and move
Speaker 3: the needle even a marginal way, but enough to actually
Speaker 3: tip the balance in the direction of Trump and may
Speaker 3: be in this space, so I think it will be
Speaker 3: one of the most analyzed and considered conversations, so I
Speaker 3: don't want to short change it. At the same time, Man, Jack,
Speaker 3: I'm curious because I appreciate your sort of reverence to
Speaker 3: public service. You speak to public service. I think what
Speaker 3: you're doing is a public service by willing to use
Speaker 3: your voice, use your platform, and engage in an authentic way,
Speaker 3: in an inviting way, as you say, taking risks, which
Speaker 3: I totally appreciate, and not playing by the traditional rules
Speaker 3: in that respect. But it begs the question, man, especially
Speaker 3: it's an impossible question for you to avoid because you
Speaker 3: get it all the time. And I'm personally curious. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, with all the toxicity that is politics, one
Speaker 3: thing public service, but sort of putting yourself out there
Speaker 3: more formally in the role as candidate, I mean, is
Speaker 3: that something you aspire to or something you deeply you
Speaker 3: know it's just like the last thing you want to
Speaker 3: get involved with.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't want to like give a
Speaker 1: bullshit answer, because but it's this isn't a bullsh answermance.
Speaker 1: I like, actually don't plan I try to plant too
Speaker 1: far ahead because I think that that always gets me
Speaker 1: like messed up into my own head. And so like,
Speaker 1: for better or worse, I've loved politics and followed it
Speaker 1: incredibly closely since I was like ten, and I just
Speaker 1: loved it and I went, you know, and there's something
Speaker 1: I can do about it. So I feel like this
Speaker 1: has been a really interesting way to try to come
Speaker 1: up with my own whatever, my own path into doing
Speaker 1: something about it. And I feel like I just kind
Speaker 1: to keep trying to stay in the pocket and take
Speaker 1: advantage of the opportunities that seem good. But I mean
Speaker 1: I would be lying to you if I said I
Speaker 1: never thought about it and I didn't think that it
Speaker 1: was an incredible uh career, And I mean if so
Speaker 1: much admiration for you and what you've done, and I mean,
Speaker 1: how could you not want to do that out of it?
Speaker 1: It's an incredible thing to do. But I really don't
Speaker 1: try to planty for our head.
Speaker 5: Well, Jack, you're you're a rock star, and you should
Speaker 5: plan a head because you got a huge future and.
Speaker 2: No you say you you say you've been following politics
Speaker 2: since she was ten years old.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just love that. It's so brilliant.
Speaker 2: That's that's crazy, because you know what I mean, when
Speaker 2: you start, you know what i mean, thinking about it
Speaker 2: from a standpoint like you know, I'm pretty sure this
Speaker 2: is something that's in the household, like you've been you
Speaker 2: know what i mean, getting you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: talk this from a very early age, like in my
Speaker 2: community and with my background, that's not something like that.
Speaker 2: We hold court in the house, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So when you think about it, and then you know,
Speaker 2: you get put in this position and now it's like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I'm on here with the government, like we're
Speaker 2: gonna be talking about politics and all this kind of shit,
Speaker 2: and just to think like how far behind I am
Speaker 2: on eight ball with it comes to this type of shit.
Speaker 2: And then we get somebody on here you're probably younger
Speaker 2: than me, and shit, and you start talking about like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you've been in this since like ten years old type
Speaker 2: shit like that's that's that's fucking crazy to me, Like
Speaker 2: to think like while I was ten years old and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to you know, I mean, flip up the
Speaker 2: couch to see if I could, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: get a quarter so I could go outside and go
Speaker 2: buy twenty five cent icy from the lady upstairs. You actually, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, I was doing. I was doing
Speaker 1: a lot of things that not where that weren't politics also,
Speaker 1: so I messed around a lot. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like, did in your family play football? Am
Speaker 1: I wrong? Like people in your family?
Speaker 2: I'm uh, yeah, one of my uncles did. But I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, when you in that space, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not like I'm and you know, he
Speaker 2: you know, go over to you know, wherever he's playing
Speaker 2: that so it's not like he's actually in the household
Speaker 2: with me to give me is am on what's going on?
Speaker 2: And at the time, like when you in that space,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, in this your livelihood,
Speaker 2: like you kind of like in this like what we
Speaker 2: call it right now, we call it like Disneyland. You're
Speaker 2: in this Disneyland fairy tale to where when you're in
Speaker 2: the league, it's like this is this is this is
Speaker 2: law to me? And then what's going on back at home,
Speaker 2: Like oh, when I get the off season and I'm
Speaker 2: not traveling with my family and this. Then I go
Speaker 2: home and it's more so like, oh, it's a celebration
Speaker 2: because you know, un home, like oh yeah, we you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, we only got so much time with him.
Speaker 2: It ain't like we really just get the Hey, so
Speaker 2: what is it like this like this and we really
Speaker 2: get the high at him? Man, figure out like what
Speaker 2: that actually looks like? So damn that shit is just
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, it it be mind
Speaker 2: blowing to me when you you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you talk to people and it's like, you know the
Speaker 2: issues and the ship that's going on now, and then
Speaker 2: you find out like, oh, well you grew up like this,
Speaker 2: you've been in this shit, there's been something that you've
Speaker 2: been talking about. And then it's like you know, somebody
Speaker 2: like me who you know, it really didn't make a
Speaker 2: difference to me until you know, I started, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: playing in the league, and then I'm getting hit with
Speaker 2: all these fucking taxes and I mean all this extra
Speaker 2: shit that I had no fucking idea about, and then
Speaker 2: fighter and all these motherfuckers I see, ah, my goddamn check,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, who the fuck? Who the fuck is fighter, Like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck is why is this getting so much
Speaker 2: money the mind and I did not see this motherfucker
Speaker 2: shooting in the gym, Like who the fuck is it?
Speaker 2: And they taking you feel me though? They getting Gwalid.
Speaker 5: It's fascinated in the backgrounds Jack, I mean what he's
Speaker 5: saying it compare you grow. I mean it's crazy right
Speaker 5: and Marshaun is real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the irony is Jack, he's bullshit. This is
Speaker 3: the guy's preparing to run for mayor of Oakland. Jack, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's your political career. This guy is out there, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm on to you. Marshawn, I'm on to you, brother, But.
Speaker 2: Look at but look at the gap in there though,
Speaker 2: Like shit, I I was twenty. I was twenty when
Speaker 2: I when I got drafted, and you feel me. So
Speaker 2: it's like for a whole twenty year, I ain't nobody
Speaker 2: worried about all that shit. It's just like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I mean, what's up now? When you start thinking about it,
Speaker 2: like okay, in a sense the way we talked about
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, these issues, it was oh you
Speaker 2: know what, oh man, the government is playing like we
Speaker 2: ain't get our you know section eight. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean, welfare wig, you know what I mean, Banana.
Speaker 2: It's like all of the government funded up programs that
Speaker 2: you know there is to go and sign up for,
Speaker 2: like you know, I mean, I remember standing in the
Speaker 2: line with my mama to you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: to get like Mama, while we here, why were you
Speaker 2: take you so long? And then we come out of there,
Speaker 2: My mama hella mad, like, oh they fucked up. They
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, ain't saying I didn't fill
Speaker 2: out this paperwork right and out I this, that and
Speaker 2: the third so I can't get my foodston And hell,
Speaker 2: it's like hold on what so what that means that
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a little hard, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: to get some food put on the uh on the
Speaker 2: table until we figure out you know, what's going on
Speaker 2: type shit. And it's like oh, but at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's not like, you know, Mom's just
Speaker 2: going and like, well, look, this is who the motherfucking
Speaker 2: Mary is, This is who the governor is, this is
Speaker 2: the you know, they just passed the bill and they
Speaker 2: just passed the law that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that. It was just like man, the
Speaker 2: government fucking up. So in my mind it's like, man,
Speaker 2: fuck the government. Why the fuck they ain't trying to
Speaker 2: they ain't trying to have me and Mom's eg Like, man,
Speaker 2: I got brothers and sister that needed. So then it
Speaker 2: forced you to go and do some shit that ended
Speaker 2: up putting you in a position where you're gonna do
Speaker 2: some shit that might ultimately when you're thinking at a
Speaker 2: young age, it ain't like, Oh, I want to go
Speaker 2: do some bad shit. It's like, oh no, I want
Speaker 2: to go do some ya I mean to get some
Speaker 2: money to put on my fucking to put some food
Speaker 2: on my table. And then you feem me, you get
Speaker 2: jammed up, and it's like, oh, well, now you're gonna
Speaker 2: be fucked off for the rest of your life because
Speaker 2: now you got what it's called a record, And with
Speaker 2: this record, you can't go and apply to certain type
Speaker 2: of jobs because you have this record. You can't go
Speaker 2: and get X, Y and Z, because you know what,
Speaker 2: when you went and did your taxes, you made a
Speaker 2: couple dollars more than what the limit is, and now
Speaker 2: you can't get government funded, government funded.
Speaker 3: Any of the programs. Yeah, you're no longer eligible.
Speaker 2: So what the fuck am I going to do right now?
Speaker 2: But it doesn't come. It doesn't come to us. It's like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is why you going, this is why you're going vote,
Speaker 2: This is why you looking to You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: who is gonna be representing your Yo city? This is
Speaker 2: your Yo Yo state? You know, I mean, the motherfucker
Speaker 2: who running the goddamn hole? Uh? You ask and all
Speaker 2: this shit, and then you know what I mean, when
Speaker 2: you start thinking about it, it's like, fuck.
Speaker 3: You know what I love about Marshawn? What I love
Speaker 3: about what Jack's doing in particular, He's taking all those
Speaker 3: things and instead of putting in a negative frames, he's
Speaker 3: reminding everybody all these things do matter. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: focused on issues around gun safety, climate where Jack's next
Speaker 3: level in terms of his support of addressing the issues
Speaker 3: of climate change, things that impact this next generation, but
Speaker 3: also giving them a pathway to positively engage and feel
Speaker 3: like they have a voice in the process. And that's
Speaker 3: I think one of the most significant contributions that Jack
Speaker 3: has made to this generation that does feel like I
Speaker 3: think you express your generation feels kind of locked out
Speaker 3: of that doesn't feel represented, and so I just think
Speaker 3: it's one of the things that makes Jack's work so special.
Speaker 3: By the way, just on that, Jack, I mean we
Speaker 3: you know, you decided as well just to amplify that
Speaker 3: a little bit. And marshallt of you know that just interesting.
Speaker 3: Jack partner with Vogue magazine, which is just interesting, and
Speaker 3: You're like, what are you a spokesperson for Vogue Now.
Speaker 1: I'm their first ever political contributor.
Speaker 3: It was that your idea, their idea, and why Vogue
Speaker 3: versus you know, maxim or something.
Speaker 1: Well, I Vogue has a great, great reputation, and I
Speaker 1: think that why I was excited was because honestly, not
Speaker 1: only are they like great and do a great job
Speaker 1: and are great people the people I work with, who
Speaker 1: I can't say enough great things about, but also they
Speaker 1: have like a huge, huge, huge social media you know,
Speaker 1: they have like fifty million followers on their Instagram for example.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well, this is like I
Speaker 1: gotta limit my focus, like I am doing like social
Speaker 1: media videos about politics. This cannot be a better fit.
Speaker 1: And because it's not so DC politics like heavy, they're
Speaker 1: like a little bit more creativity to do interesting things,
Speaker 1: I think. But I just also want to say that.
Speaker 1: I think, Marshawn, you deserve a lot of credit because
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have public profiles do not
Speaker 1: say anything or do anything or risk take any risks
Speaker 1: at all. And I think it's awesome that you are involved,
Speaker 1: specifically minded person, and I think that I think you know,
Speaker 1: you are such a good example to so many people
Speaker 1: that politics can is open to people who are who
Speaker 1: we admire for other reasons as well.
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to Jack had a question for you.
Speaker 5: I I literally and thank you for saying that to Marshawn,
Speaker 5: because Marshawn's always been There's no one realer than him.
Speaker 5: I've idolized your uncle. Literally, I grew up idolizing JFK Jr.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question if that accident didn't happen,
Speaker 5: do you think he would have been president?
Speaker 4: To term president? Where do you think he'd be today?
Speaker 4: Looking back?
Speaker 5: I mean, he's fascinating to me his life and what
Speaker 5: he did and who he was and it was unbelievable.
Speaker 4: And this is pre social media and whatnot.
Speaker 5: But we're do you look back and see where he
Speaker 5: would be today if he was still alive?
Speaker 1: I mean, so like I didn't he was like I
Speaker 1: was five or six when he died, so I didn't
Speaker 1: know him. I will say this, like he was clearly
Speaker 1: so far ahead of his time in terms of creating
Speaker 1: George Magazine and blending politics and media and fashion and humor.
Speaker 1: And I feel like somehow, I like stumbled into something
Speaker 1: on my own that maybe resembles what he was, like
Speaker 1: had his finger on. But I think he definitely he
Speaker 1: like had such a a knack and a feel for
Speaker 1: politics and media especially, and I only know that just
Speaker 1: from the clips I've seen of him. I feel so
Speaker 1: lucky because it's like you were saying, like I grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, loving politics. But it wasn't like we sat
Speaker 1: around and talked about the dinner table. It was like
Speaker 1: I have, like my grandparents and my uncles. There's like
Speaker 1: the volumes of books and recorded speeches that I got
Speaker 1: to learn from about them like everybody else can. And
Speaker 1: I think that that was a really cool way for
Speaker 1: me to interact with with my family, that John's included
Speaker 1: in that, and just kind of trying to understand them
Speaker 1: as as we all do and try to draw whatever
Speaker 1: lessons we can from them. Now. But I know, I
Speaker 1: feel really lucky that way, because there's like a massive
Speaker 1: public record of my whole family too, so I'll never
Speaker 1: forget anything.
Speaker 3: You know, Jack, what I love about your family is
Speaker 3: it goes back to what Marshawn was just saying and
Speaker 3: expressing his own lived experience in relationship to politics and
Speaker 3: what it didn't mean until it mattered, and then you're
Speaker 3: sort of you're kicking, you know, you're kicking and screaming
Speaker 3: because you're pissed off the government's not necessarily representing your interests.
Speaker 3: But I love one thing that in Marshaan, I think
Speaker 3: this is sort of interesting to have Jack with us.
Speaker 3: Everything that Jack's grandfather his brother Bobby were about, we're
Speaker 3: about addressing exactly what you just described in your live condition.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Literally, if I if I went back you look at
Speaker 3: the speeches of Jack Kennett Bobby Kennedy, They literally describe
Speaker 3: what you just described and very personal raw ways your
Speaker 3: lived experience and how government needs to represent the realities
Speaker 3: that lived experience that people were having. And in so
Speaker 3: many ways I was I was particularly evocative that I'm
Speaker 3: listening to you here we are with Jack having that
Speaker 3: conversation and thinking about the spirit of the Kennedys and
Speaker 3: the spirit of the sixties ignorance, sollving for ignorance and
Speaker 3: poverty and disease and the spirit of public service and
Speaker 3: and so anyway, it's do I get emotional about this
Speaker 3: because literally, this is the family. I wouldn't be here
Speaker 3: in politics. I was inspired by this family, inspired by
Speaker 3: sars Shreiver uh and and and this idea of public
Speaker 3: service and what public what being a public service a
Speaker 3: servant should represent and uh and So I really appreciate
Speaker 3: and I do, And I thanks Jack for mentioning Marshawn's
Speaker 3: you know, willingness to put himself out in political terms
Speaker 3: too with I mean, I don't know how serious we're
Speaker 3: trying to figure out. Maybe Jack, you can ask him
Speaker 3: how serious is about this damn mayor's race.
Speaker 2: So that's what I was just finna get I was
Speaker 2: just finna get to so what it just sounded like
Speaker 2: to me, you feel me in my interpretation, And what
Speaker 2: you just said was I'm gonna make a hell of
Speaker 2: a mayor, my boy, That's what it sounded like to me.
Speaker 2: But that's what I heard you say. I heard you say,
Speaker 2: ay more, Sean brother, Hey, check this out a little Nick,
Speaker 2: you gonna be a saucy ass mayor bro, So just
Speaker 2: get ready for when that motherfucking time comes.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I think he just answered the question. Jack Jesus,
Speaker 3: this guy's running.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to run against you, Marshawn.
Speaker 4: Nobody would, nobody would Jackie Right.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying because many you know, like and
Speaker 2: this is and this is where my you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you just said my ignorance hant all that shit gonna
Speaker 2: kick in. But I just feel like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I got somebody who who's done it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, who's at the top of the game, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, and they really got to like
Speaker 2: they got a stronghold on it, you feel me. And
Speaker 2: then you know, I mean I get to talk to
Speaker 2: him on a day to day basis, you know, I
Speaker 2: mean week the week, you know, I mean, and it's
Speaker 2: not just some made up ship like I mean, me
Speaker 2: and me and Batman. We had these conversations before we
Speaker 2: even had this. This is how this ship even came
Speaker 2: to you know what I mean, came to life. Like
Speaker 2: this wasn't my idea, Like this motherfucker called me where
Speaker 2: I was at. It was tune in the morning. You
Speaker 2: feel me, And I'm like, man, get your ass off
Speaker 2: my phone, like quit playing with me? Hung up on him?
Speaker 2: He called me back like, nah, Bro, you don't hear
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, Like, oh, are you serious? Like
Speaker 2: who gave you the green like to do this? You
Speaker 2: know what type of I am? Bro? You feel me?
Speaker 2: I A no, We're gonna do it. So I got
Speaker 2: somebody in my corner that you feel me though.
Speaker 5: Hey, I got a better one for Jack. You're gonna
Speaker 5: take that Balboa hat. You're gonna fly out West. You're
Speaker 5: gonna come to Balboa Cafe with me and Mark, Shawn
Speaker 5: and Gavin, and we're gonna and we're gonna bring We're
Speaker 5: gonna whiteboard some things.
Speaker 4: Jack. You're gonna get a.
Speaker 3: White board Jack's political career because he didn't say no, Doug,
Speaker 3: And here that son of a bitch say no, no, no.
Speaker 4: Here's the deal.
Speaker 2: We got.
Speaker 5: We got we got great things. We got Jack going
Speaker 5: for we got Jack doing some great things. We got
Speaker 5: more Sean doing some great things again. I'm Kaiser Sosi.
Speaker 5: I'm a fictional character. I don't exist Jack. But here's
Speaker 5: the deal. We're gonna have some great food and wine
Speaker 5: that drinks at the Balboa Cafe. Have a great time
Speaker 5: and uh and and we're gonna we're gonna create some
Speaker 5: great things ahead of us.
Speaker 4: How about that? Jack? Can we can? We can?
Speaker 2: We can?
Speaker 4: We invite you for that?
Speaker 5: Jack?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm there. I'm on the next plane.
Speaker 1: Are kidding me?
Speaker 3: Love it?
Speaker 4: Love it?
Speaker 3: Well, appreciate you being on every damn uh social feed
Speaker 3: that I've got. You're You're ubiquitous, man, You're crushing it.
Speaker 3: Uh and you're reinventing the art. And I appreciate the
Speaker 3: blend of humor uh and taking the best of Marshaan's
Speaker 3: the spirit of Marshawn Lynch and Doug and their authenticity
Speaker 3: that they bring to the conversation, your wildness, your willingness
Speaker 3: to take risks, and and the courage that is a
Speaker 3: big part of that, particularly at a time where politics
Speaker 3: is as rough as it's been in a long time.
Speaker 3: So it's been great to be with you, brother.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it genuinely, so much fun to do this,
Speaker 1: and I truly admire your service. Governor Doug, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for making this so fun. And Marshawn, like
Speaker 1: you're the coolest person ever. I already knew that now,
Speaker 1: so appreciate bout my heart. Thank you guys, it's all mutual.
Speaker 1: And thanks for the kind words.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: And by the way, Jack, I'm gonna send you a
Speaker 5: Politicket hat to Politicken.
Speaker 3: Hat too, Sick.
Speaker 4: I'll get you.
Speaker 1: I can't take this one off. No, I can't take
Speaker 1: that off.
Speaker 4: You got more hair than me, though, Jack, I got
Speaker 4: to get my hair.
Speaker 2: Back you.
Speaker 3: Over that real game keeps thing. Brother, what shaw?
Speaker 4: There you go. I'm gonna put the hat on. Now,
Speaker 4: there you go.
Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, I appreciate you.