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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with all new commentary,

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Speaker 2: insights and updates. And this week we are giving probably

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Speaker 2: the best kind of update we could possibly give.

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Speaker 1: That's freakin' right. The yogurt shop murders have finally been solved.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to recap episode seventy, which we named

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Speaker 1: live at the Moontower Comedy Festival, and this was recorded

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Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 2: So amazing. This episode came out on May twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it. I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: talk about this. Let's listen to the intro of episode seventy.

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Speaker 3: Hi said, oh my god, me too.

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Speaker 2: Just do that for a little longer. I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: finish my mint.

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Speaker 1: You don't mind, they love it. They love it. Spit

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Speaker 1: it over there.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Texas? Or mind me here?

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Speaker 3: I wore my cowboy boots for you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, take a up walk those things around.

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Speaker 1: Ben said, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: They're not learning.

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Speaker 1: Scared, then said that they're culturally appropriating, culturally robrating.

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Speaker 2: You're this is definitely a problematic way.

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Speaker 1: To start the show for sure is and I also

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Speaker 1: wore my hair closer to god. I guess that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they love that. See I know how to panda?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about what are you wearing tonight?

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing a dress that's a little too tight and

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Speaker 2: so it's got I've got like a reverse bank situation

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Speaker 2: where kind of like you can't tell if it's a

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Speaker 2: big stomach or a flop of material, and neither can I.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what's happening down here, and I don't

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Speaker 2: care anymore. Show everyone you're fancy next. I really wanted

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Speaker 2: to put my microphone next to that microphone. Do you

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Speaker 2: know how much the sound guy would hate me if

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Speaker 2: I did that?

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Speaker 1: Just like what do you think? Oh, no, so obnoxious?

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Speaker 1: This place is haunted. I heard Stephen. Is that Stephen

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Speaker 1: sent us this long text that I got off to,

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Speaker 1: Like we got off the plane and it was like

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Speaker 1: it was like the fat like the history of this.

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Speaker 2: Place, and you were all the ghosts. There's a project

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Speaker 2: there's a projectionist that works here. When this was a

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Speaker 2: movie theater and he died while showing Casablanca, which everyone

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Speaker 2: thinks is beautiful because he died doing what he loved.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I didn't mean to stay. I didn't mean

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Speaker 2: to say it like that. That sounded argumentative and bizarre,

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Speaker 2: so stupid you guys think that's nice. What you don't know.

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Speaker 1: Is, OK, I was going to tell you on stage

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Speaker 1: that saving it for this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Vince and I were on the airplane today and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't like like get into Wi Fi. So he

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Speaker 1: was like leaned over, as a husband will do, and

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Speaker 1: it was like, let me figure this out. And so

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Speaker 1: he like figures all the stuff out and then he

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Speaker 1: goes to click on a website just to see if

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Speaker 1: it's working, and he pulls down my favorites page. But

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Speaker 1: you know, most people are like Facebook and Twitter and

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Speaker 1: like Craigslist or whatever the normal things are.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, and it was.

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Speaker 1: And then he stares at it for a minute and

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Speaker 1: he goes, are these all serial killers?

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Speaker 2: And I was just like yeah, yeah. And then we

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Speaker 2: moved on and that was a serial killers are my Google?

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Speaker 2: That's all given. Yeah. I had a kind of a

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Speaker 2: fascinating thing happened. First of all, I was the last

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you give me a panic attack.

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Speaker 2: It's I know, it's uh that's how different George and

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Speaker 2: I are. I was standing in secure the security line like, oh,

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Speaker 2: this sucks, and George's like text, text X, I'm on

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Speaker 2: the plane. Where are you? So? I walked right on

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Speaker 2: last Then a guy who looked like he was it

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Speaker 2: could have been I mean, he was on his way

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Speaker 2: to the city, but I was like, is he coming

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Speaker 2: to our festival? He was really big and had a

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Speaker 2: ton of tattoos and many on his neck. Yeah. My

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Speaker 2: friend used to call those the job stoppers. Just something

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Speaker 2: they were at a band of Like it could have

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Speaker 2: been Lincoln Park. I'm not sure. I'm really old. I'm

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Speaker 1: And he didn't have like tattoos that are like oh,

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Speaker 1: he's like he just like pays a lot of money

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Speaker 2: They look like defensive maneuvers, the way a cuddle fish

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Speaker 2: changes into a different thing in the ocean of like

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Speaker 2: don't get me. Yeah, he's really like, beware of me.

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Speaker 2: I'm very scary. Well, he stands up and he's like,

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Speaker 2: I gotta get off this plane, and he fucking takes off.

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Speaker 2: He had to go. He couldn't handle flying the plane.

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Speaker 2: He was panicking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, that's sweet.

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Speaker 2: You should have cradled him the whole flight. Could you

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Speaker 2: come down here a second. You're gonna love this. I'll

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Speaker 2: hold your ham. I know it's a weird time for you,

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Speaker 2: and it's probably very shaming to be a very large,

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Speaker 2: mean looking man that's literally like, give me off this

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Speaker 1: Best to buy a panic attack. Yeah, I love a bummer.

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Speaker 2: I mean I've I've had it. I've had an on

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Speaker 2: a plane. I've actually had a seizure on a plane.

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Speaker 2: No bag, no bro, No, it's pretty cool. I was

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Speaker 2: I had been bumped up to first class because they

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Speaker 2: screwed up my ticket and I was flying home from

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Speaker 2: England and I was sitting next to I was sitting

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Speaker 2: next to this man who was like he was like

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Speaker 2: it's like I wanted to touch it. And he was

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Speaker 2: I had the thought on my head of like why

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Speaker 2: can't I have a sugar daddy? Why can't I be

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Speaker 2: one of those girls? I would be the I would

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Speaker 2: be the best kind because you wouldn't see it coming.

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Speaker 2: It'd be like, oh, is that your assistant, and be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's my assistant. I had this this whole fantasy in

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Speaker 2: but then I had a seizure, and that's the worst

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Speaker 2: possible It was. Then yeah, not cool, Like it's not

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Speaker 2: how you want a guy to see you foaming at

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Speaker 2: the mouth with blue lips. The last thing I heard

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Speaker 2: needs help, Like he was already. It's like we were

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Speaker 2: a common drug addict on a plane. That's oh ooh,

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Speaker 2: that makes me. That's scary. I know. Sorry, I just

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Speaker 1: I've only died in the normal throwing up thing on

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Speaker 1: a plane before. Like everyone here has probably right, Nope.

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Speaker 2: Well I think they have some questions like I do.

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Speaker 2: Was it in the aisle or in the bathroom? No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, it was a receptacle like not where in

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: Uh I don't, yeah, say yes, Oh, what into one

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Speaker 2: of them bags? Yeah, for you use a barf bag

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Speaker 2: of place? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are you from nineteen fifty five? This is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that happened, that's.

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Speaker 2: What therefore though, right, No, totally sorry, the tone is wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little nervous, so everything I'm saying isn't how

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Speaker 2: I mean it. It's all coming out super weird. But

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Speaker 2: did you have to This is the question I've always

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Speaker 2: had because it's barf. I mean, it just comes out.

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Speaker 2: So do you like make your own thing at the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully it won't be like overflowing. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to grab your neighbors, right, But then they have like

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Speaker 1: it's like you're at like the grocery store getting vegetables

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Speaker 1: and it has that little like twist.

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Speaker 2: No, it's like a bag of cookies from Trader Joe's

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Speaker 2: or something. Oh, I don't want to eat you solid once.

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna wrap it down. But it is side.

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Speaker 1: What a historic place to talk about barfing. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty beautiful. This is the most beautiful place I've ever

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Speaker 1: talked about barfing before.

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Speaker 2: Now I want to see you do it myself. I

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Speaker 2: have to say. I'll let you know next time it's

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Speaker 2: something going on this tour, I want to see it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've had red wat too much red wine, you know,

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Speaker 2: Would be a bad one. I know, because that's going

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Speaker 2: to stain me as well as you. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is clearly my favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Yeah, I'm a little nervous about this show.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why, because Austin's cool people also school people.

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Speaker 2: You know that it's comedy people. It's very important. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's also Texas. You guys have been showing up for

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Speaker 2: this podcast since day one, like big time. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like when we were in New York and

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Speaker 2: all click click click. I saw him live. That was it.

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Speaker 2: I got it out of my system. Oh no, it

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Speaker 2: happens sometimes. Yeah, we'll think of something else, we'll make

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Speaker 2: croissants or something. It'll be fine, we'll be fine. Oh

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Speaker 2: we got cookies backstage too. Oh yeah, thanks for the cookies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're so pretty. We love them, No, should be very

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Speaker 2: good stage. Somebody with who clearly studied theater was like,

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Speaker 2: you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: I used my diaphragm project your voice.

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. Do you know you

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Speaker 2: want to know a trick about song performance? Yes, this

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Speaker 2: is one of the only things I learned in college,

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Speaker 2: and because I took a class it was stage performance

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Speaker 2: for musical theater singing stage performance, they got the musical

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Speaker 2: theater crowd. I heard, what up, nerds. So you guys

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Speaker 2: already know this, So don't go get bored as I

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Speaker 2: tell you this. But as people in musical sing you

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Speaker 2: just always have your arm going in a different direction.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, god.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is if like, if you're going to

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Speaker 2: sing about the horizon, you don't point to the horizon.

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Speaker 2: You like sing about the horizon, but you point down there,

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Speaker 2: and then suddenly you're like, oh my god, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Is it because someone's gonna you point the horizon and

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Speaker 1: the people are going to be like.

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Speaker 2: Where's the horizon? Is there a horizon in here? Really

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Speaker 2: a horizon? Okay? So it's just really just kind of

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Speaker 2: go opposite of what you're talking about, and it creates

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Speaker 2: a bit of a cognitive dissonance in the mind, and

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Speaker 2: then the performance seems more important than it actually is

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Speaker 2: and you're not just singing about Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's really great. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I also need to learn how to sing and not

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Speaker 1: just hurt people's ears when I sing. But I'll do

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Speaker 1: it this while I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: It, just give it a whirl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, will next time at karaoke.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is Stephen under here? No, Steven's at home watching

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Speaker 1: All right, we're back and right off the bat, we

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Speaker 1: It's said to be haunted by three main spirits, each

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Speaker 1: The third spirit is known simply as the elderly gentleman

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Speaker 1: And also there's a in depth article from Reporting Texas

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's where Casper got his start The Friendliest

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Speaker 1: It is funny I said about being nervous because Austin

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Speaker 2: No, look at it. Karen's like, now I hate it. Well, also,

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Speaker 1: All right, this is one of my favorite quote, favorite

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Speaker 1: I said, never mind, I'm not doing it, and then

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00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: I did it, And.

438
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: Now you're about to do it. I know I'm doing it. Okay.

439
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: This is this is the yogurt shop right.

440
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: Now, We've got to figure out a way to explain

441
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: to people who like work here or might just be

442
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: passing through the room accidentally, what that moment is about. Yeah,

443
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: because it's not what it seems. It's not what it appears.

444
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Yeah, whatever, we're worried about it.

445
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: It'll say, there may be cheering for murders, but it's

446
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 2: not that exactly that. It's not really that.

447
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we don't okay, Yeah, whatever, not our problem.

448
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: Okay.

449
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: So in Austin, Texas the early nineties, it's still a

450
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: relatively small college town feel where violent crime was fairly rare,

451
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 1: and that all changed on December sixth, nineteen ninety one,

452
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: when thirteen year old Amy Ayres fifteen year old Sarah

453
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: Harrison when they went to I can't believe it's yogurt

454
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: in a strip mall.

455
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: It's like a really unfortunate name. No listen. I wanted

456
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: to laugh too, but I'm a professional, so I didn't.

457
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: But I heard a snicker and then I was like,

458
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: do we do that?

459
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: Well, there's a whole run of yogurt. We could just

460
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: visit this for one second. Yeah. Yeah. In nineties, in

461
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties, Frozen yogurt was like the penicillin

462
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 2: of America. It came so hard for us, and we

463
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: all bought it talk hundred percent. Were like in my mind,

464
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: I was like, well, this is this is a diet.

465
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to eat this only it's yogurt. Yeah, and

466
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: this is and now I'm going to have like Joan

467
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: Hughes high school experience.

468
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: I didn't turn out that way now, but I still let.

469
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: I would get carib chips on mine because oh, hippie,

470
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: you are a big hippie.

471
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 2: You aren't a big hippie. But the name's also so

472
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 2: there was I can't believe it's not yogurt. It was,

473
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: I can't believe it's yogurt. I can't believe it's yogurt.

474
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: I had one across there at my house called frog.

475
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: It's just like you just can't name it, like my

476
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: my frozen yogurt.

477
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: I worked in one in high school called how Sweet

478
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: it is Gotta But then it was almost like a

479
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 2: subtitle of we have yoga for You'd think that.

480
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: Since I love puns so much, i'd love like a

481
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: play on a name. But yes, you know, sometimes it's

482
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: it's got to be simple.

483
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: There's also the country's best yogurt, which if it's a chain,

484
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: how can that be? But let's not argue right now.

485
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: Is it a franchise or no? Okay, I can't believe

486
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: it's yogurt in a strip mall off West Anderson Lane

487
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: to visit Sarah's seventeen year old sister Jennifer and their

488
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: friend Eliza Thomas, also seventeen, as they closed up the shop.

489
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: Around eleven pm.

490
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: Remember when you could just work at places by yourself

491
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: until eleven pm? Sure, just like hanging out closing shops

492
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: by yourself.

493
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,959
Speaker 2: I totally okay, I'm a sophomore. Of course I can

494
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: do this business, and I course I should all the

495
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: keys and work the safe. Totally.

496
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely something perfect sense. Well, so the girls

497
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: were gonna have a sleepover afterwards, so Amy and Sarah

498
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: came by to help cloat.

499
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: What just that they're like closing a business and then

500
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: going to a sleepover. That should be the Hey, like

501
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: half of.

502
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: Them can't drive, yeah, and then they're so they're helping

503
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: to close up, which is so sweet.

504
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: They're like, we'll help you mop so we can go

505
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: hang out sooner.

506
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: And so so this was close to eleven PM when

507
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: Amy and Sarah showed up, and let's cut to midnight.

508
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: About an hour later, after the closes sign had been turned,

509
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: the front door was locked, and the man who owned

510
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: the shop next door called party House, spotted flames and

511
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: smoke and called the fire department. Let's see the first picture, please.

512
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: That's I can't believe it's yogurt. Exclamation work.

513
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: Fucked up right. I mean we really couldn't believe it

514
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: was yogurt at the time, and it just was tasted

515
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: so much like ice cream. It was like, am I

516
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: a dairy queen? This is it's insane. My life is

517
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: so much better now, and yogurt's healthy. I eat it

518
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: all the time. And you're a hippie, I mean all

519
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: these things.

520
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: That's such a nineties crime scene photo. Yeah, it's like

521
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: such a bummer.

522
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 2: It should have like the digital date down to the bottom,

523
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: like your mom took the picture with her camera. Oh

524
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: this is okay.

525
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: I think what's so crazy about it is that this

526
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: is a really like almost suburban area and this like

527
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: the strip malls, and like it's pretty safe and you

528
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: don't normally see seventeen fire trucks at a spot, so

529
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I think everyone knew something was up.

530
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you can take that off. Thanks, burn it. Oh,

531
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: I didn't mean it like that. I didn't. Sorry, no, no,

532
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: that does not count against me this time. I did that.

533
00:27:52,600 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 2: Got that Stephen. That never happened in reality.

534
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: Sorry, okay, you can take it down, because I want

535
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: everyone staring at me and not that horrible photo.

536
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, today's the days she turns into a diva.

537
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: I've been waiting till Austin don't really come out and

538
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: that's right all No, I love you all well, or.

539
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: We can leave it up. As they worked to put

540
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: out the.

541
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: Flames, the building was of course trampled by many firefighters

542
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: because I thoughtought it was just a fire. And then

543
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: one of the firefighters went in the back door spotted

544
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: a human foot inside the back door of the storage room,

545
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: like sticking out. And then shortly after that they realized

546
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: what was going on. The bodies of Sarah, Jennifer, and

547
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: Eliza were all found together in the storage area.

548
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: They'd all been stripped.

549
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: This is they've all been stripped and two were bound

550
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: and three girls were shot in the back. And the

551
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: three girls were shot in the back of the heads

552
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: with twenty two calibers. Eliza and Sarah had been each other,

553
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: and Jennifer was lying next to them, possibly having been

554
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: moved by the high powered fire hoses that had wept

555
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: the scene. And then thirteen year old Amy was found

556
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: a few minutes later, lying alone. She was barely alive

557
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: and she was near the bathrooms. She had been initially

558
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: shot with the twenty two as well, but had survived

559
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: that and was shot again with a thirty eight, and

560
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: she died shortly after. Some of the girls had been raped,

561
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: but it would be years before DNA testing would become available,

562
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: so investigators concluded that the fire was set to cover

563
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: up the crime, and the culprits had drenched tyrophone cups

564
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: with lighter fluid and set them on fire.

565
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: There was about five hundred.

566
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: And forty dollars missing from the register, but investigators didn't

567
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: think the motive was robbery because there was also a

568
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: bank bag underneath the cash register and it had money

569
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: in it and nobody took it.

570
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: So I've been reading the book Who Killed These Girls.

571
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: By Beverly Lowry, which is a new book of symp

572
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: about this crime. It's really good, and don't read it

573
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: before you go to bed and so she says that

574
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: some of the shortcomings of the lesson experienced Austin PD.

575
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: They talk about that a lot fire and water damage,

576
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: the lack of mote of multiple victims, the amount of

577
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: people trapesing through the scene, all should have been handled

578
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: by investigators who had experience in these kind of crime scenes,

579
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: but they weren't because Austin at the time didn't have that.

580
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Well, so when you think it's a fire, you're not

581
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: treating it like a crime scence. No, that's the exact

582
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: opposite of how you had treated crime scene.

583
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: Right, But as soon as that, like, as soon as

584
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: that happened, it should have been locked down. They should

585
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: have gotten someone in who was you know? But anyways, Yeah,

586
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: the bodies weren't swab for traces of an accelerant, the

587
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: bathrooms weren't dusted for fingerprints, the trust bags weren't comb through.

588
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: The metal shelves and mops that were next to the

589
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: girls when the fire started. Somehow ended up in the

590
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: alley and then they disappeared, most likely taken to the dump.

591
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: So that's what happened during the investigation. Daryl Croft, who

592
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: seems like a badass, He was a former cop who

593
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: ran a security company now and he had been in

594
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: the yogurt shop around ten o'clock that evening buying yogurt,

595
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: and while he was there, he told investigators that he

596
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: was approached by a man wearing a military fatigue style

597
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: jacket and he was telling the other customers to go

598
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: ahead of him for some reason, and he asked Daryl

599
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: if he was a cop because he saw his car

600
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: that had lights, the security lights on it. And when

601
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: he said no, he offered Daryl to go ahead of him,

602
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: and I think, like a normal text and man he

603
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: was like no, you know, like gruffs go ahead kind

604
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: of a thing. So then the man, so Daryl said

605
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: that when the man did go to the counter in

606
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: front of him, he ordered only a can of soda,

607
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: and then after he paid, he moved around the counter

608
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: and went to the back of the store. And when

609
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Darryl asked where he'd gone, Eliza told him that she'd

610
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: allowed him to go to the back to use the bathroom,

611
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: so she didn't know him. Daryl hung around that for

612
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: a counter for a few minutes to see if the

613
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: man ever returned, but he didn't. He stayed in the

614
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: back and then Daryl said there was just something that

615
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: didn't feel right, and when the man just didn't return,

616
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Daryl left the store. That was around ten pm. He's

617
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: got to have some guilt, you know.

618
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: What I mean? What's it? Yeah, oh, I didn't know

619
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: what was what's everyone doing? There was a hubbub. Well also,

620
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: that's the thing of if he stays in the store

621
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: and now he's the weird guy in this totally. I mean,

622
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: but I think he knew them, the girls, Oh he did,

623
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: like small town he knew them even weirder.

624
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he also he went to the he knew

625
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: them for the gym, so that would be weird too. Yeah, yeah,

626
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: fair enough. There was also a couple, an older couple

627
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: that visited the store closer to closing time than Darryl

628
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: on the same night of the murders. They saw the

629
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: two men. They saw two men sitting in a booth

630
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: acting strangely. The woman said that they made her uncomfortable.

631
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: The couple left around ten forty five as the girls

632
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: began to close up shop. They closed at eleven, and

633
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: they left the two men alone in the shop. So

634
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: the policy of the store was to lock the door

635
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: ten minutes before actual closing time, but you leave the

636
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: key in the lock, so everyone who's finishing up you

637
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: can just easily let them out, but nobody knew could

638
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: come in, so the door is locked.

639
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: So these two creepy dudes were.

640
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: The last customers in the store last night that night,

641
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: and about an hour later the fire was first noticed.

642
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: So that's okay. A days after the murder, however, Jennifer,

643
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Eliza Amy and sorry. Eight days after the murders, investigators

644
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: picked up a sixteen year old kid named Maurice Pearce

645
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: the North Cross Mall, which is just a couple of

646
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: blocks from the crime scene. He was carrying a twenty

647
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: two caliber handgun. During questioning, he said that he'd lent

648
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: the gun to a friend, Forrest Welburn, who was fifteen,

649
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: and that they'd use it to commit the yogurt shop murders,

650
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: and Welborne denied any involvement, but told investigators that he

651
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: and Pierce and a pair of acquaintances Robert Springsteen and

652
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: Mike Scott, had taken a joy ride to San Antonio

653
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: and a stolen suv not long after the crime, and

654
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: so it put these two other boys, Robert and Mike

655
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: on the radar as well.

656
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: Let's I have a photo of it. You can go

657
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: to the next minute. No, that's not it.

658
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: Here we go, that's them. It's like, it just reminds

659
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: me of Paradise Lost. What do you think, guilty or

660
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: not guilty?

661
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: Oh shit, you're just saying that because of the mullet.

662
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: That's not fair, antony. It made sense back then, I

663
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 2: got people learned that. Yeah, that's right, my mom. Okay.

664
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: So, so Welborn's brought in for questioning by the detective.

665
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: He passes a polygraph test. The ballistics of the gun

666
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: didn't match up to the bullets that had been used.

667
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: There was no evidence to link any of them to

668
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: the crime, and detectives noted that Pierce seemed to have

669
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: a mental illness. But anyways, they were dismissed as suspects

670
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: and the case stalled.

671
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: So was Pierce the one that said he did it? Yeah?

672
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: And that likes them ment eventually, So that's almost exactly.

673
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 2: Yeah the crime you.

674
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Just named, Uh, I was like innocent something.

675
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: It just happened and we can't remember. Yeah, that's right,

676
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: because that's right. Okay.

677
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: So five years later and around three hundred and forty two,

678
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: suspects and fifty false confessions or confessions that didn't pan out.

679
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: A new detective, Paul Johnson, takes over and he okay,

680
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: obviously it's one of those the cities freaking the fuck out.

681
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: Why mean you caught the murders. You guys are inept

682
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And so the cops do the

683
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: thing that they always do, or they're like it's this guy,

684
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, because they're like, he got someone. So Paul

685
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: Johnson did that. He he focused on the boys, the

686
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: four boys, let's see. He brought in Pierce, Scott, Springsteen,

687
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: and Welborne for questioning. Five years later, all of them

688
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: died any involvement.

689
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: In the murders.

690
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: At first, but after a series of intense interrogations, Scott

691
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: broke down and admitted that he helped carry out the murders,

692
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: saying he shot one of the girls in the head

693
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: at Pierce's insistence. The police theory was that the four guys,

694
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: this four teenagers, planned to rob the yogurt shop. Three

695
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: of them would go in, one of them would wait

696
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: in the car, but that something went right and the

697
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: killing started. Then the detective that had originally dismissed the

698
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: boys as suspect was never consulted.

699
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: By the new cop.

700
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety nine, all four men charged with

701
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: capital murder. Springsteen admitted to shooting one of the girls,

702
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: but Pierce and Welborne never admitted to killing and they

703
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 1: were let go. So the crazy one started at all

704
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: was let go despite having nothing but confessions to use

705
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: against them, which by then they had both recanted, saying

706
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: that police had of course coerced their statements.

707
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: And there was even a photo.

708
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: Of Paul Johnson holding a gun in the interrogation room

709
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: to the back of one of their heads.

710
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 2: What yeah, who took a picture of that? It's like

711
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: a it was a selfie.

712
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: H it was surveillance video. Oh the fucking oh oh yeah.

713
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: So like that's kind of cordial. I mean, Jesus, well,

714
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: he had he had already put people away for false

715
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: confessions that later were exonerated by by DNA and people

716
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: admitting to it. So this was kind of his thing.

717
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: And here he is. Now you get to say your

718
00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 2: side of things. I went to his hometown. Murder is okay.

719
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: So so but they're sentenced to So Springsteen sentenced to death,

720
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Scott's sentenced to life in prison without parole in two

721
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: thousand and one and two. Then in two thousand and

722
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: seven knew. So that was two thousand and one. New

723
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: DNA evidence not available during their original trials revealed a

724
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: male's DNA on the youngest victim Amy. When the DNA

725
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: was tested, it didn't match any of the fourteens.

726
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: Convictions were overturned.

727
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: The cases were thrown out more than ten years after they.

728
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: Were arrested, so they were in jail for a decade.

729
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what really happened? So it wasn't

730
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: until two thousand and eleven that Carlos Garcia, the lead

731
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: defense attorney for Mike Scott, put the crime scene photos

732
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: into sequence, looking for details that he might have previously missed.

733
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: This is fucking bananas. When he looked closely at a

734
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: specific crime scene.

735
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: Photo, go when he looked When he looked at a.

736
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: Specific crime scene photo of the dining area of the store,

737
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: which wasn't that badly damaged by the fire, it showed

738
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: the room mostly clean for the night. Tables had chairs

739
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: stacked on them, the napkin holders were full except for

740
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: one table, a booth in the back barely visible, and

741
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: also the booth that The elderly woman told the investigators

742
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: that the two sketchy men were sitting in close to

743
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: closing time, had no chairs on top of it, and

744
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: then napkin holder was empty.

745
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get the phone.

746
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: What real?

747
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, right back there?

748
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, and that fucked up. I got chills, like

749
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: in the weirdest way up my neck when you said that.

750
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: Look at the napkinholder, it's fucking empty, man.

751
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, every table has a chair.

752
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: It also, look at that picture. I can't believe that's yogurt.

753
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: I fucking can't believe. Oh my god.

754
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, okay, close, unlock the door while these

755
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: guys finish up.

756
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: They do.

757
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: But that cop in the office, he flips down that pictures.

758
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: He's like screaming aloud by himself.

759
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: I think everyone kind of went, oh fuck, we really

760
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: missed something. I think everyone kind of lost their mind.

761
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: So good for this dude fucking finding it. It's pretty amazing.

762
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: So so clearly they had been sitting there at closing time,

763
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: the girls were cleaning up around them. They let the

764
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: last stragglers stay, and at eleven o'clock the no sale

765
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: button was pressed on the register. So that's when they

766
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: think everything started.

767
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: They asked for change, they did something. They held a.

768
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: Gun up to their faces. Probably I was like, get

769
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: me all your money. That's true too.

770
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: One of those treasured the meter. They started off nice.

771
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: The fuck am I talking about? Can I get some

772
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: quarters for the meter? It's eleven o'clock at night and

773
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: I love yogaurls Oh. I still can't believe. I still

774
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: cannot believe this.

775
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: This is crazy.

776
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: I need change.

777
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: So the defense lawyers believe that's the table where the

778
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: killers sat. He was still in the door when the

779
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: fire started, which means the last customer had never been

780
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: let out. There was a rag on the counter of

781
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: as someone who had been wiping down the counter, and

782
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: there was also an unopened can of coke sitting near

783
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: the register. Remember he ordered a can of coke the

784
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: guy who I found and the register had no sale

785
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock and the money was stolen. So that's

786
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: when that probably started. And the killers likely escaped out

787
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: of the back door after they started the fire, so

788
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: they had an hour to do all of this. Neither

789
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: Darylcroft or the older married couple were called to testify

790
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: at the teens trial. It's not known exactly what they

791
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: saw because there's no testimony, So who killed these girls

792
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: has The book has a fucking detailed bananas theory, and

793
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: it made me sick and not be able to sleep.

794
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: So if you're a creep like me, go read it.

795
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Not if you don't like crime scene photos. There's not

796
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: a single one in there but that it's like reads

797
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, oh no, you talking about this before

798
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: the picture came up, I was like, Oh, I want

799
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: to go home.

800
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: It's like something about that that's just so fucking It's

801
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: like the thing that's there that people cannot see. How

802
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: did you want to say? Like how did they not

803
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: say this? But like I don't would any of us?

804
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: No, Like, it doesn't mean it doesn't necessarily mean anything

805
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: unless you put all of this stuff together, Like there

806
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: was two guys who were there at the end of

807
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: it and like and they didn't let people you know,

808
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: it's just.

809
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: Well, also, you have the shock and horror of a

810
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: town like this and then four teenage girls being brutally

811
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: murdered in a way that's just there's so much grief,

812
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: there's so much horror and loss that like, I think

813
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: details always get missed in that situation because it's everyone's

814
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: just going fix it, solve it right now. This has

815
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: to be over and everyone in town.

816
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of I've read a lot

817
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: of like hometown murders that people wrote, and they're like,

818
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: this is when we stopped being able to go out,

819
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: this is when the town wasn't the same anymore. And

820
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: I remember being this age in it happening, and it's

821
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: just it is such a horrible I mean, I've I've

822
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: kind of followed it since it happened, and I remember

823
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: seeing that recently and it's just one of those things

824
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: that keeps unfolding and getting more and more gross and horrible.

825
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: So many people think that the serial killer Ken McDuff

826
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: was the one the men and was one of the

827
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: men in the yogurt stores that night. He had kidnapped

828
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: and killed Colleen Reid on December twenty ninth, nineteen ninety one,

829
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: in Austin with an accomplice. That's twenty three days after

830
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: the yogurt shot murder. He had a history of multiple

831
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: murders involving teenagers, but he was soon ruled out of

832
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: the crime. And I literally couldn't find anything more on

833
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: this than someone saying he flat out said, had I

834
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: done it, I would tell you because I'd be proud

835
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: of it.

836
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: And then they're like, so it probably wasn't him. Goodbye,

837
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: Like it's so, I feel like that's a trick. I

838
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: feel like that's a trick he would use.

839
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just and it sounds well if you read

840
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: about his and I was scared that maybe you were

841
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: doing that murder and I was like, stealing your whatever

842
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: so much you're around me, I know, listen, but this

843
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: guy is a fucking monster animal, and from the other

844
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: crimes he's committed, he is absolutely capable of the details

845
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: that I read about in the book. It's it's not

846
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: this is a crime that is not four teenagers. You know,

847
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: in my mind it could be wrong. But it's the

848
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: sadistic serial killer who got let out after eleven years

849
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: as a known serial killer because there was overcrowding in

850
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: Texas prisons.

851
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let those serial killers go first, because there

852
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: are people who smoke potty legally, so you've got to

853
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: you've got to teach them. Yeah, you've got to teach them.

854
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: It's so easy to have the answers when you have

855
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: a pretty dress on and a great stool. Yeah.

856
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: So this Ken McDuff motherfucker is crazy.

857
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 2: Well that's incredible. Also that like a suspect that big

858
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: would be in town, I mean in town. Yeah, and

859
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: he killed this other girl with an accomplice, so he

860
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: works with two people like the two of them regularly.

861
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: It just it fits.

862
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: And he's a rapist and he's just statistics.

863
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 2: So it doesn't it doesn't. It adds up.

864
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's rumored that he admitted to the day

865
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: he was put to death. He some people say he

866
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: admitted to the yogurt shot murders, so they think he

867
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: did it.

868
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: But what jailhouse gossip like, no one can confirm it. Yeah.

869
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, Ken.

870
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: Detectives are I know, this guy's fucking creep or too.

871
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: If you see his photo, you're just like, oh, I

872
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: would never like let you in my store. I don't

873
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: have it, sorry, And I was trying so hard. There's

874
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: like this guy daryld has a description of what the

875
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: guy looked like, and I was taking I was looking

876
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: for photos of him, and I was like, please have

877
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: a pointy nose, Please have a pointy nose, and lady

878
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: did it and I was like, well, I'm not showing

879
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: that photo of him.

880
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: Because he could have punched himself in the notes.

881
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Yes, he doesn't line up with what I wanted to,

882
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to even acknowledge it because.

883
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 2: I don't have to, because that's the little podcast. That's

884
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: the way.

885
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: So detectives are still working on finding more evidence in

886
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: the murders, but for now it remains an unsolved mystery.

887
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: And I have the photo of the girls if you

888
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: want to see them. I know, I'm sorry.

889
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: That's Amy right there.

890
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: That's Jennifer or sister Sarah, and that's Eliza, sweet baby angels.

891
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't it horrify? They're sisters. We love sisters. I just, uh,

892
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: this one hurts me bad. I know, I'm sorry.

893
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I hope yours is funny.

894
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 2: Now pull us up. You know. It's just like that's

895
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: what everybody looked like at my high school. You worked

896
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: in the yogurt shop we worked at It was because

897
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: the Noles sisters worked there, and so we it was like, oh,

898
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: do you want to work at theyugret shop? Susie Knowles

899
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: can get a great job.

900
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: Well that's happened with these two girls.

901
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: Best.

902
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: She's like, let me get you the job at the

903
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: yogurt shop. And I wasn't going to post the photo

904
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: because it's so sad, but I'm like, that's not fair

905
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: to them. You gotta like acknowledge we got to.

906
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: Power through it. Yeah, it's just yeah, it could be

907
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: all of us, in any of us, I know.

908
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes out. So that's the yogurt shot murders.

909
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: You're not as excited as you were in the beginning.

910
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: I can tell see how fucked up these live shows are.

911
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: That guy's leaving. He can't fucking take it. I'm sorry.

912
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry you too. Oh fucking front row. This

913
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: is bullshit.

914
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: But like, actually we could just see George's underwear and

915
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: it's freaking about so we're going to go stand in

916
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: the bed.

917
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: We're fine with the murder. It's just that, where are

918
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: you getting those stripes? Yeah?

919
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: Those are clearly from four years ago? At least two

920
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: years ago?

921
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: Everyone, So I'll pick up a pair that's literally there's

922
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: like weird shreds coming off with them, where you're just like, well,

923
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: first of all, a where did I buy these? And

924
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: secondly did I only pay ninety nine cents for them?

925
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 2: And why won't I throw them away?

926
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Everything you're saying, And then I think about like friends

927
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: who like buy expensive lingerie, and then I pull out

928
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: underwear and it's got the target, you know when you

929
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: rip the tag off and it has the threads still

930
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: in it.

931
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't cut that out. It's just like it's.

932
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: All of my underwear have a little thread from the

933
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: tag I pulled.

934
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: Off on it. And that's just what I do. I

935
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: want to know that people who wear like fancy lingerie around.

936
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: So what kind of day do you have where that's

937
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: that's something that you can make work underneath until the

938
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: night time.

939
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: I don't if I lived alone, and when I did, oh,

940
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: they would just be as I would wear them like I.

941
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: Wear some what not.

942
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: I have to throw them away sometimes because I'm like,

943
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: it's just gonna think I'm this person, but I totally

944
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: am that person.

945
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: You just wears seven year old underwear. Oh no, I

946
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: mean sometimes it feels like a victory to have seven

947
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: year old underwear because you're just like you pick it

948
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: up and then you're just like, oh my god, remember

949
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: when you had fucking purple hair or whatever? Yeah, my

950
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: good memories and these moving on.

951
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah that was a sidebar. Yeah, underwear sidebar.

952
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: George, I'm so excited to get to ask you this

953
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: question right now. Do you have any updates on this case?

954
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: I freaking do. Okay.

955
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: We were at a live show in Salt Lake City

956
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: just recently, Karen. You walked into my dressing room right

957
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: next door to yours, holding your phone up and going

958
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: oh my god. And I was like, Okay, either there's

959
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 1: some gossip to tell me or something got solved. Because

960
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: it reminded me of when you told me about the

961
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: Golden State killer being found.

962
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: I jumped up and got out of my seat. So

963
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: full credit to the person who added me on TikTok

964
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: to basically be like, the second the clip went up

965
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: on TikTok, someone added me. So I opened up my

966
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: messages and saw it. And so I just saw it

967
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: and couldn't believe it. So I jumped up to go

968
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: tell you, But then I didn't know what the best.

969
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 2: As I was starting to think, I was like, I'm

970
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: not going to yell it at her. I want her

971
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: to read it. I want her to have her own

972
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: experience with it. I don't want to whatever. So I

973
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 2: just walked in going oh my god, Oh my god.

974
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: Which of course if it were if you did that

975
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: to me, I would think someone died, right, and I

976
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: would get really mad at you for not So I

977
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: did it kind of the worst way you could do it,

978
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 2: and you showed me your screen.

979
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: We were both going, oh my god, Oh my god,

980
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: and poor Vince sitting on the couch behind us, because

981
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: he and I had just watched the documentary together too,

982
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: and he knew that that was like the caste that

983
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: always stuck with me. He knows that we had just

984
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: watched the documentary about it. So meanwhile, he's sitting behind

985
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 1: us and doesn't know what either of us are fucking

986
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: talking about. So then I got to turn to him

987
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: and go, the fucking yogurt shot murders has been solved.

988
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: I did it to you, and then we did it

989
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: to him. It's right, but it is that kind of

990
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 2: thing of how would you have liked to get that news?

991
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: If I just screamed the yogurt numbers, that was perfect.

992
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 2: That's fine, read it for yourself. But then I can't

993
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: come in going oh my god, oh my god.

994
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: Because I was just that's always fun. I love it,

995
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god.

996
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: Moment I was blown away. I just could it after

997
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: all this time and it felt like the most hopeless one.

998
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: And then now that detective gets to wear the shirt.

999
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: And we got to go on stage like ten minutes

1000
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: later and fucking tell the audience, like most of whom

1001
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: didn't know because they were like getting into this, you know,

1002
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: the theater and sitting down and getting their drinks and stuff,

1003
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: so most of them didn't know. And we got to

1004
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: come right out and fucking say it on stage.

1005
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: That was like live show breaking up so good.

1006
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: It was all right, let me give you some updates.

1007
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: So on September twenty sixth, twenty twenty five, Austin Police

1008
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: announced that they finally identified the man they believe murdered

1009
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: Eliza Thomas Amy Ayers and sisters Jennifer and Sarah Harbison.

1010
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: The police say that they did this quote through a

1011
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: wide range of DNA testing. In June of this year,

1012
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, investigators were able to match a bullet

1013
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: casing found in a drain at the yogurt Chop to

1014
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: a casing left behind in another unsolved murder which took

1015
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: place in nineteen ninety eight in Kentucky, and this didn't

1016
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: point to the culprit's identity because it was also unsolved,

1017
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: but it provided some movement in the case. You know,

1018
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: suddenly there's a whole nother case to use as evidence.

1019
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: And the big break came in August of this year

1020
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: when Austin detective asked labs around the country that do

1021
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: what's called why str typing, which involves male specific Y

1022
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: chromosome DNA, to manually search through their database for a

1023
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: potential hit, and a lab in South Carolina reported a

1024
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: one two one match with DNA left in a nineteen

1025
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: ninety sexual assault and murder in Greenville, South Carolina, with

1026
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: Austin Police's lead detective on the case, Daniel Jackson, saying,

1027
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: quote the full profile and every allele was the same.

1028
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the chills they must have gotten when

1029
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: they fucking are crazy. So that specific DNA profile belongs

1030
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: to a man named Robert Eugene Brashers, who took his

1031
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: own life during a standoff with police in nineteen ninety nine.

1032
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: Detective Jackson says that the DNA has now linked Brashers

1033
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: to quote unsolved murders and.

1034
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: Sexual assaults across.

1035
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: The country end quote, with some outlets calling him a

1036
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: serial killer. Yeah, we're going to find out so much

1037
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: more about him, I feel like, and the cases he.

1038
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: Is linked to.

1039
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: Authorities have also compared the bullet casing found at the

1040
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: yogurt shop with the gun Brashers used to kill himself.

1041
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: The specific type of shell casing is described as consistent

1042
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: with Brasher's gun, and so this update brings long awaited

1043
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: closure for Eliza, Amy, Jennifer, and Sarah's loved ones. On

1044
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: September twenty ninth, at a news conference, Jennifer and Sarah's mom,

1045
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: Barbara said quote, I'm full of gratitude. It's been so long,

1046
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: and all we ever wanted for this case was the truth.

1047
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: We never wanted anyone to go to jail or to

1048
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: be charged with anything they did not do. Vengeance was

1049
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: never it. It was always the truth. Definitely watched the

1050
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: documentary that just came out on HBO called the Yobert

1051
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: Shot Murders. I mean, this is just monumental. It's incredible,

1052
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: it really is.

1053
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: And also just that idea of what they asked, like

1054
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: what the homicide department in Austin asked people to do

1055
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: to get different results. It's that thing of like it

1056
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: really does feel to me like cold case detectives they're

1057
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: standing for new policing because they have to go back

1058
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: and be like, what mistakes did we make the last time,

1059
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: that we're not going to make this time right.

1060
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: And to be able to have that humility to do that,

1061
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: to admit mistakes, to start over, to contradict the cells

1062
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: and the people who came before them, Yeah, that takes

1063
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: a lot of humility, I think, And so to do

1064
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: that is really incredible and get new results and admit wrong.

1065
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Portland Police who made the

1066
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: public statement that they would be protecting protesters and not

1067
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: ICE agents at any future events happening in Portland. Right,

1068
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: And a girl on TikTok made this video She goes,

1069
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 2: I just got to say, police, you have a great

1070
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: opportunity here to turn it around and stop being the

1071
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: villain and start actually doing stuff that the people need

1072
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: you to be doing. Totally serve and protect people in

1073
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: a real way.

1074
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, So incredible. We're so excited to bring

1075
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: that update to you guys.

1076
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: So great.

1077
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: All right, Well here's another horrifying one and another legendary one.

1078
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: This is Karen's story about the Servant Girl Annihilator.

1079
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: Well, because we're in Austin. I'm going to do this

1080
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: Servant Girl Annihilator. Yeah right, it's the one that listen

1081
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: if you google Austin's serial Killer, that's what comes up.

1082
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: It's like the first seven results. And this will lighten

1083
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: the mood a little.

1084
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, which is I think this will lighten

1085
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: the mood a little bit?

1086
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. Yeah, vintage murders. Everyone's like vintage. There's annihilation.

1087
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: It's what everybody likes. Yeah, all right. Uh. Sometimes when

1088
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm writing this and I'm under pressure because it's five

1089
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: oh five yep, and we have to be here at

1090
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: six because the show starts at seven, I emailed.

1091
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: This to Vince at like five forty five.

1092
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, can you print this for me? Do you

1093
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: find that you're more you let yourself be more of

1094
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: flowery and interesting as you write your as you put

1095
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: it together. No.

1096
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: I started it like two weeks ago, and I was like,

1097
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: this is going to be so detailed and interesting. And

1098
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: then I kept going back and be like I don't

1099
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: have as much stuff as I thought I did, and

1100
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: like fuck and like copying a paste.

1101
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: Oh okay, no oh, because I get well. My only

1102
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: point was just I do stuff like the year of

1103
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty five. It was a difficult one for Austin, Texas.

1104
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: Now that guy leaves. Fuck, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

1105
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: He was just here with his girlfriend anyway, never been

1106
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: into it. Now she has to watch football. It's a

1107
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: trade off. Thing happens a lot. Or wrestling. Maybe, yeah,

1108
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: maybe some Wrestling's wrestling? She okay. In eighteen eighty five,

1109
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 2: here in your beautiful town, there was an unprecedented axe

1110
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: murder crime spree that had the entire city in a panic.

1111
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: By the end of the year, there was a city

1112
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: wide curfew. Strangers were forced to identify themselves or be

1113
00:57:55,360 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: run out of town Georgia. It was like cat, my

1114
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: middle name's land, no out out, we don't know you.

1115
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: Citizens formed a vigilance committee to patrol the streets at night.

1116
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: Downtown saloons were being forced to close at midnight. What

1117
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: insanity horror, it said, saloons and other raucous businesses. What's

1118
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: that you guys? Yeah, it's like cooorhouse. We're talking about horside,

1119
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: I mean sex worker house, sex workers apartment building. At

1120
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: one point, the city hired Pinkerton detectives to come and

1121
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: try to find this man, but they couldn't do it.

1122
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: If a Pinkerton people can't find it, if the pinker

1123
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: does can't find it.

1124
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: Four hundred men were arrested. No one was ever officially

1125
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: charged for all the crimes. To this day, no one

1126
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: knows for sure who the servant girl annihilator was. So

1127
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: it all started on the night of December thirtieth, eighteen

1128
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: eighty four, at nine oh one West Pecan Street or Pecan.

1129
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: I don't know how you guys do what I have.

1130
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: Peccanc Pecan, Pecan, percorn, it's pecorn, Okay, it's actually Almond oh,

1131
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: Almond Street.

1132
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I'm from California. Nine oh one West Pecan Street.

1133
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: A twenty five year old woman named Mollie Smith, who

1134
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: was working in that household as a cook, was attacked

1135
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: with an axe while she slept. Then the intruder dragged

1136
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: her unconscious body out of the house into the backyard,

1137
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: raped her, and then murdered her in the backyard.

1138
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: Rye fie, I mean, I why a lot of that?

1139
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: No? Just yeah, philosophically yeah, but also emotionally yeah yeah, okay,

1140
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: and then also just why just stay inside?

1141
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: Body just stands on that was my main why. But

1142
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: that sounds shitt is that the main why.

1143
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: I actually really wanted to uh, but it turns out

1144
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: I had to take a shower. I wanted to do

1145
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: a thing where I looked at what the full when

1146
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: the full moons were because there's a lot of theories

1147
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: about that part of it. When when this gets really

1148
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: bad and this axe murderer in your town repeatedly kills

1149
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 2: a ton of people, everybody goes nuts with the theories

1150
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: and it's kind of awesome, o case, We'll get to

1151
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: it a little bit. So Molly was the first victim

1152
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: five months later, on May seventh, eighteen eighty five, at

1153
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: three Zho two East Cyprus Street. Doctor Lucian B. Johnson

1154
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: has employed a cook name Eliza Shelley. Eliza is a

1155
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: thirty year old mother of two young children. One is

1156
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: six years old named Georgia and one is six months old.

1157
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: Eliza's husband is in prison and she lives in doctor

1158
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: Johnson's home working for them with her children, Ldren, and

1159
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: she is described later as an excellent woman. On the

1160
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: night of May seventh, and intruder breaks in and attacks

1161
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: Eliza as she sleeps, murdering her with an axe. So

1162
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: two weeks later, on May twenty third, at three h

1163
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: two East London Street in the home of Sophia Whitman.

1164
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: So basically Sophia had her house up in the front

1165
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: and then there were apartments in the back and back

1166
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: there a widow named Irene Cross lived with her son

1167
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: Washington and her nine year old nephew Douglas. And Douglas Washington,

1168
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: Uh no, Washington was the other son. Guy. Sorry, it's okay.

1169
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: We've got to be able to talk about stuff like this.

1170
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: So that night, same intruder breaks into Irene's apartment murders

1171
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: her in bed with a knife. Her son, Washington, who

1172
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 2: was an adult I think he was twenty four, was gone,

1173
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: he was out for the night. Douglas, the nine year

1174
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: old nephew, is the one of the only real eyewitnesses

1175
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: of the servant girl annihilator, and when he talked to

1176
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: the police, he described the police to the police the

1177
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: person he saw was quote a big, chunky man who

1178
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 2: was barefooted with his pants rolled up. What. So three

1179
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: months go by, now we're at three hundred East Cedar

1180
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: Street and it's the home of a man named Valentine Weed.

1181
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: That's all one wants for Valentine. I mean, only great

1182
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: things are happening in that house with Valentine Weed. She's

1183
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: so passed a block. So this is and this house

1184
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 2: is exactly a block north of where Eliza Kelly was murdered.

1185
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: So a woman named Rebecca Raimie, who was a fifty

1186
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: year old widowed mother of three, got a job as

1187
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: a domestic servant for the Weed family. She lived on

1188
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: the property with her eleven year old daughter Mary, and

1189
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: Rebecca actually came from a very prominent Austin family. Her brother,

1190
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: Edward Carrington, ran the Carrington Grocery Store, which was one

1191
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: of the first black owned businesses in Austin, and she

1192
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: also had another brother who ran the nearby blacksmith shop.

1193
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't find I couldn't drag and drop this picture

1194
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: to give it to Stephen to put in our thing.

1195
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh I bet I have a picture too. You can

1196
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: throw up really whatever you have. Oh, look, there's your town.

1197
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: Remember when it was just a grid? Where are we?

1198
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: Who was so easy to ride your bike around with

1199
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: your big beard or whatever? Oh but there was a

1200
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: picture of Rebecca's family and they all had these amazing

1201
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: like you know, like the coke model lady. They all

1202
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: had like those tiny waist high neck lresses with a

1203
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: big hat nail super like you know, don't fuck with me.

1204
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: It was awesome. Yeah, okay, so she she is. When

1205
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: she is widowed, she has to start working for herself.

1206
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: So she gets this job and uh she works for

1207
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 2: the weeds. Uh so dumb.

1208
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: Okay, so a horrible pun, but I'm not gonna well.

1209
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: Do it, do it? And intruder breaks into her bedroom window,

1210
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: beats her until she's unconscious, then goes into eleven year

1211
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: old Larry's room, drags her out into the backyard, rapes her,

1212
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: and murders her with a fucking axe. All right, fuck

1213
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: uh so these this is when the rumors begin because

1214
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,479
Speaker 2: people start talking about this must be a supernatural being

1215
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 2: because everyone's saying that the nights these attacks occur, no

1216
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: dogs bark, so there are dogs in the next door

1217
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: neighbor's yard, so when he pulls people out into those yards,

1218
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: no dogs are barking, and they can't figure out why

1219
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: we have a mistake.

1220
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: Oh for a mistake, well, hold on, it is to

1221
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 1: solve the mother cry.

1222
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: Well, good night, everybody, thanks so much.

1223
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have seen cartoons, right, and they're

1224
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 1: like trying to sneak in and they're.

1225
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 2: Just like it just steak and then the dog eats

1226
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 2: it and pulls out a cat cat skeleton for I

1227
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: mean fish skeleton forget it all right, okay, okay, So

1228
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: among those because also there was many nights it was

1229
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: either a full moon or there was just a lot

1230
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: of moonlight. So people don't understand how this person's getting

1231
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 2: away with it. A lot of people think he might

1232
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 2: be invisible. Uh, there's a there's an invisibility factor to it. Look,

1233
01:05:52,400 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: I'm here, he is now nothing. Hmmm. Moving on, why

1234
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: is every page upside down? I think that makes sense

1235
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: trying to do this right on a month later on

1236
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 2: the night of is that right? Yeah? Yes, his three

1237
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 2: months went by, so a month later. And this is

1238
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: also that thing that they're spaced out in this really

1239
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: interesting way where he like has a bunch of murders,

1240
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 2: then rests for three months and has a classic serial

1241
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: killer on the night of September twenty eighth, at the

1242
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: residence of William B. Dunham's house. It's at two four

1243
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 2: zero eight Guadaloupe Street. Do you live there? Guadaloupe I'm

1244
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 2: not talking to you anymore. So man twenty five.

1245
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: He's nervous about Texas.

1246
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 2: This is nothing compared to we've had, well, we've had before. Sure.

1247
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: So in this house in the back, there's a cabin

1248
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: in the back of the house where twenty five year

1249
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: old Orange Washington and his girlfriend, twenty year old Gracey

1250
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: Vance are sleeping, and the intruder once again breaks in

1251
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 2: and he murders Orange in his sleep and then drags

1252
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: Gracie into the backyard, rapes her, and murders her. Three

1253
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: months later, Christmas Eve. It's a two oh three water street.

1254
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: It's the home of Moses Hancock. So forty one year

1255
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: old Susan Hancock, who is the mother of two girls.

1256
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: It's Christmas Eve. They're out at a Christmas party and

1257
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: she is asleep in one of their rooms. It's not

1258
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: a happy marriage. Moses' is sleep in the other room.

1259
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: Let's not talk about it. It's none of our business.

1260
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: So an intruder breaks into the house, into the room,

1261
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: grabs her, drags her into the backyard. Now because up

1262
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 2: with that right, he wants to be outside. He wants

1263
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: to be under the moon like a fucking werewolf, which

1264
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: brings us back to the supernatural element of trying to

1265
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 2: introduce him to this podcast. In two months, we're gonna

1266
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: be all were wolves. I can't wait. And no one

1267
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 2: ever listened again. Uh okay. So her husband, Moses is

1268
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: sleeping the other room. He wakes up because he hears

1269
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: a noise, goes outside. There's a man murdering his wife

1270
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: in the backyard. He tries to attack the man. The

1271
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: man turns around, starts hitting him with the axe, and

1272
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: then brings away. So he's very badly injured. Four days later,

1273
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 2: missus Hancock dies from our injuries. So then when he recovers,

1274
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: mister Hancock is arrested for the murder of his wife.

1275
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he got a fucking hat shit in the face.

1276
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it does anyone can do that. His daughters

1277
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: both come to his defense. They say he's never been

1278
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 2: he's a lovely father, he's never been bad to any

1279
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,839
Speaker 2: of us. But a family of Susan Hancock at tests

1280
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: that Moses was a vicious drunk and that Susan was

1281
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: about to leave him, And later they find this letter

1282
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: that she wrote to him but never gave to him

1283
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 2: in her belongings that read dear husband. I've lived with

1284
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 2: you for eighteen years and have always tried to make

1285
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: you a good wife and help you all I could.

1286
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: I have loved you and followed you day and night.

1287
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 2: You won't quit whiskey, and I am so nervous. I

1288
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: can't stand it. You know, it almost kills me for

1289
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: you to drink. And Lena is almost crazy and will

1290
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: lose her mind. She fucking puts it on her daughter.

1291
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 2: Lena is a nut, and it's your fault. If I

1292
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: was to do anything to disgrace you and our children,

1293
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 2: you would leave me. You would have quit me long ago,

1294
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: which is a good point. And then she says, take

1295
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: care of yourself. Write me at Waco. I will answer

1296
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: every letter your wife until death, Sue Hancock. But then

1297
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 2: she doesn't leave him. She stays so ny. So everyone's like, oh,

1298
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: how convenient. But now your wife has been murdered in

1299
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: the backyard. But Moses Hancock is never convicted for the

1300
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: murder of his wife. On the very same night, Christmas Eve,

1301
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: at three h two Hickory Street, Ula Phillips, who is

1302
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old wife and mother of one, what

1303
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: the hell I want to hear about it? She got

1304
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: married off in an arranged marriage when she was no

1305
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: fourteen and then had a baby a year later, and

1306
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: so strangely enough, it turned out she wasn't that happy

1307
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: in the marriage because she had to marry a guy

1308
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: that was I think he was twenty one when she

1309
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: was fourteen.

1310
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter at what age. Greats it sucks?

1311
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does matter a little bit. That's right.

1312
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,520
Speaker 2: You're right. We've gone into an area where you're fourteen.

1313
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: You probably have a retainer and you won't stop talking

1314
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: about skittles, and you shouldn't have your own baby. Maybe

1315
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: some do it and some do it great anyway, So

1316
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: she had actually already taken the baby and left her husband, James,

1317
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: because he was also a huge drinker. What's going on, Austin.

1318
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: It's all anyone did in the eighteen hundreds and still do? Yeah,

1319
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 2: rock on then single, sad tear for me not being

1320
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 2: able to I had all mine already, met me bars,

1321
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 2: read wine, you pull out a drink from down here. Okay,

1322
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: So she left him, and while she was gone, she

1323
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 2: ended up having an affair with a wealthy, well connected

1324
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: man named John Dickinson. Girl, but then James, that's right.

1325
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: But then James got a job, he stopped drinking, got

1326
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: his whole act together, and he went and found her

1327
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: and he was like, please take me back. I want

1328
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 2: to make this work. Are you wealthy? Yeah yeah, And

1329
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 2: she's like, well, I'm seventeen, so okay. So she goes back.

1330
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 2: But then this night, on this night of Christmas Eve,

1331
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: she had snuck out of the house and she had

1332
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: gone to one of the basically the eighteen hundreds version

1333
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: of a hotel motel, and they didn't no one knows

1334
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 2: who she was going there to meet. But she went there,

1335
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 2: asked for a room, and the person that ran and said,

1336
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 2: no rooms tonight, and so she went back home and

1337
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: within an hour she was dead. She was attacked with

1338
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 2: an axe while she was sleeping. She was dragged into

1339
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: the backyard. She was raped and murdered. Her husband heard

1340
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 2: her being attacked, runs outside. He's also attacked and he's

1341
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: very badly wounded. But he is arrested, tried, and convicted

1342
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: for her murder.

1343
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: So we think he did it it knew, okay, I do.

1344
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: The prosecution painted him as a violent, jealous, drunk, but

1345
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 2: eventually the case is overturned because his lawyer argues that

1346
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 2: he never knew about her affair, so how could he

1347
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:14,919
Speaker 2: be jealous? Hey, wrap that up, nice little, easy peasy,

1348
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: you old drunk. Okay, So here's a couple of things,

1349
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 2: A couple interesting trivia facts. All of the all of

1350
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: the victims that were left behind that their husbands didn't

1351
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 2: come upon them. They were all posed in the same manner.

1352
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,879
Speaker 2: I could not find what that manner was on the internet.

1353
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 2: Maybe someone knows. I like to picture it was kind

1354
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: of a beechey thing like this, but that's more of

1355
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: a defense mechanism, because this is fucking horrifying. This is worse.

1356
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,959
Speaker 2: Six of the murdered women had a sharp object inserted

1357
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 2: into their ears. The worst, oh air, the worst? Oh

1358
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: have you? Like?

1359
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not the same thing as stabbing yourself with

1360
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: a Q tip Georgia like, but just don't even say

1361
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: it out loud.

1362
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: But it's so bad that that's as bad as you

1363
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 2: want to imagine it being. That's how bad that is.

1364
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I can even go too.

1365
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 2: Here's my favorite. At several of the crime scenes, bloody

1366
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 2: footprints were found and the uh right foot was missing

1367
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: a left toe. Ooh no, that doesn't work. The right

1368
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: foot was missing a big toe. Shut it up up.

1369
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, perfectionism with the words and the details.

1370
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't catch it because I was like,

1371
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 1: uh huh.

1372
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 2: It's right there. I wrote it right there on the page.

1373
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 2: Do miss left I can do it whenever I want,

1374
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: even twenty minutes before left toe send print, say word

1375
01:14:55,080 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: forever jemn. If you guys hadn't made a collective Austin

1376
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: based groan, we had been like, great, No, left toe

1377
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: sounds good.

1378
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: If you're new to the podcast that this is basically

1379
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: what it's like. What happened is now if someone says

1380
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: something wrong, the other one not knowing it and then

1381
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: moving on, it's.

1382
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: Like living Twitter, but the best kind.

1383
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

1384
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,839
Speaker 2: There were lots of quote unquote eyewitnesses during this murder spree,

1385
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 2: so the killer was variously reported to have been a

1386
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: white or dark complexion or yellow man wearing lamp black

1387
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 2: to conceal his actual skin color, which because there were

1388
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: so many lamps around, so you were just like it

1389
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 2: do so many murders. He was also described as a

1390
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: man wearing a mother Hubbard style dress.

1391
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 3: Why why yes, so much worse.

1392
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: It's yes, this is your kind of story is mother

1393
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: Howard and.

1394
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 2: All mother Goose is the one with all the kids underneath.

1395
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm an axe murderer and I have children

1396
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 2: under my dress. Oh no, how fucked up is that?

1397
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 2: They're into it.

1398
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: They're into murder too, and they all come out and

1399
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: they're like, pray love murder.

1400
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: Fuck uh. He was also described as being a man

1401
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 2: wearing a slouch hat. That's pretty hip. I don't know

1402
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,440
Speaker 2: what that is. But if it's just a cat and matt,

1403
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 2: that motherfucker. He's always up to no good. It's just

1404
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 2: the cat and hat, like I did some murders in

1405
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:45,759
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds, No big deal. Whoop fish bowl. Also

1406
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 2: a man wearing a hat and a white rag that

1407
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 2: covered the lower part of his face. That's the elephant man,

1408
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 2: Get it together, eyewitnesses. There is also a story about

1409
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 2: a Malay cook. I'm assuming that means Malaysian, but I'm

1410
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 2: not sure. So the story was that there was a

1411
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: Malay cook calling himself Maurice had to can't not. He

1412
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: had worked at the Pearl House in eighteen eighty five,

1413
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: and he left some time in January of eighteen eighty six,

1414
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: which is exactly the timeframe of these axe murders, and

1415
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: the last in the killing of Miss Hancock and Miss

1416
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 2: Eula Phillips. The former occurred during on Christmas Eve. That

1417
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: was just before the Malay departed, and then that's when

1418
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: the murders ended. So they think he did it, and

1419
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: they also think that he went he got on a

1420
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: boat and he went to England and he became Jack

1421
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: the River. Shut up? Don't you love it? I love it.

1422
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 2: The Malay that you never saw coming is actually the

1423
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 2: star of the show. Just a low key Mulay named Maurice.

1424
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 2: That's like, guess fucking what, my name's not Jack. But

1425
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: people love to theorize, don't we, especially when we don't

1426
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: know anything that's real. Okay. I also introduced the idea

1427
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: that the Servant Girl Annihilator could also be the axe

1428
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: Man of New Orleans. Yeah, who remember that? That was

1429
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 2: my very bold and brave theory that I pulled off

1430
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 2: of Wikipedia because he was he was in Uh he

1431
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: was doing it in the nineteen fourteen, nineteen sixteen. Who

1432
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: knows all competing theories, anything's possible. Here's the most interesting.

1433
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 3: I love it.

1434
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 1: I love it.

1435
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: In February of eighteen eighty six, at a saloon in

1436
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 2: the East Austin, a nineteen year old cook named Nathan

1437
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: Elgin was verbally and then physically attacking a woman in

1438
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 2: a bar with such viciousness that it scared the rest

1439
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: of the patrons of the bar into silence. He then

1440
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: dragged her out of the bar and down the street

1441
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: to his sister's house and inside.

1442
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: So can you oh my god, right, so many questions.

1443
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, of how are you just sitting there?

1444
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1445
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: Right? And okay, go on, But also how scary was

1446
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: the guy that Everyone's like, I've got two guns right now,

1447
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: and I'm still too scared to go after you. I'm

1448
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 2: made of guns. It's what I do for a living.

1449
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: I'm a cowboy in Austin, Texas. You go ahead and

1450
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 2: take her. That's fine. So the barkeeper and another man

1451
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 2: chase him, and somebody else goes and gets the sheriff.

1452
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: They all end up at this house and inside he's

1453
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 2: attacking this woman. He's on her, he's got a knife,

1454
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 2: and they start to tussle with him. He basically essentially

1455
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 2: brandishes the knife and the sheriff shoots him dead. I

1456
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 2: think I have a picture of that sheriff. If you

1457
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 2: want to skip ahead, it's pretty epic. Oh okay, let him. No,

1458
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: it's not very shit.

1459
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I saw him walking down the streets today.

1460
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: Remember now he roast coffee beans for a living, but

1461
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: he used to be the sheriff. Wow. I love him

1462
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: so much. The Austin vampire, the hip vampire that's been

1463
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 2: alive for ten thousand years, just doing right by everybody. Anyhow,

1464
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 2: here's the thing. He shoots him. Had his name on

1465
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: here somewhere, it's long gone. The sheriff shoots this guy.

1466
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 2: And then when they take off his shoe, no, no

1467
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: big show on his right foot.

1468
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 3: Motherfucker. Yes, no, it was him. It's totally well.

1469
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 2: They don't know, and they couldn't prove it because the

1470
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: guy was dead. But there were no more axe murderers

1471
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: after that day forrmal Asian guys.

1472
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: Like, they kind of drove me out of Austin. I

1473
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: really wanted to stay here. Yeah, I never killed anyone.

1474
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 2: And this guy in public, Maurice Morris is like, it's

1475
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: freezing in London. What about the fuck you guys. I

1476
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 2: was a really good cook. It's rude. Wow, yeah, dude, Yeah,

1477
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: that's it. Sorry, thank you. That's great.

1478
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this case?

1479
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 2: Karen? There is one. Basically, in twenty seventeen, archivists uncovered

1480
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: a few old forgotten files related to this case in

1481
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 2: a Travis County warehouse. Wow, oh yeah, chills truly And

1482
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: they include an inquest of victim's diary and court records

1483
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: for two trials. They don't shed any new light on

1484
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 2: the murders, but they were put on display. So but

1485
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it's like, yes, that's true, but

1486
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 2: maybe there's something in there, could be there still could be.

1487
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I mean that intern who's just like doing

1488
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 1: the filing back then, yeah, lost her mind.

1489
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 2: It's got to be a hurt. It's got to be

1490
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 2: a hurt. It's got to be the kind of person

1491
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 2: that's like, what's this box back here? Totally, you might

1492
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 2: as well look in here. You have organization. Just the idea.

1493
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 2: This reminds me of the Man from the Train in

1494
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,759
Speaker 2: that way where it's like a true monster at.

1495
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: Large in a time where people didn't really consider that

1496
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: as much.

1497
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 2: They were like I just want maple syrup in that

1498
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 2: good bible, you know what I mean? It was all

1499
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: very simple, and then there's these monsters.

1500
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: Who are easily able to like just blund right in

1501
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:45,879
Speaker 1: and disappear.

1502
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 2: Yes, and horrible axe murder women fucking insane. Yeah, well,

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: now let's head back to the paramount. We're going to

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01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 2: wrap up this live show. You guys, we don't have

1505
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: time to know a hometown or we're so hi you can't.

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01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: Ye'll know you're not allowed to.

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01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: And I'm so bummed because I know from Twitter that

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: we have a crime scene investigator on the home.

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01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,560
Speaker 2: Shit, I'm so in the office. Can we bring the

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01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 2: house slights up for one second, just so we can

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01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: look at a crime scene investigator in real life and

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01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: we turn them up just slightly slightly, and then don't

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: stand upciate a crime scene investigator. Hurry. Oh you're sorry.

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01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 1: She's wearing a toxic masculinity shirt. But she can't wear

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01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,480
Speaker 1: that just to work, almost in school.

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01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 2: Like, can I just ask you a quick question? Don't

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01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: answer for her? Do you steal crime scene tape and

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01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 2: take it to your home like we do post it notes?

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01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: Do you just no, she's not talking to me. We're

1520
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: very excited her hair. Thank you for sending us that message.

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01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: It's it's always very exciting when actual professionals are like,

1522
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 2: we don't hate what you're doing. It's so very fun.

1523
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: So this episode was originally entitled Live at the Moontower

1524
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 2: Comedy Festival. Kind of a gimme, that's right.

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01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: But if we were naming it today based on something

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01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,759
Speaker 1: said in the episode, maybe we would name.

1527
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 2: It the job Stoppers Yeah, nek tattoos? Yeah? Or ours

1528
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: and Ours alone, which was us basically our thing of

1529
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: surprising each other.

1530
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 1: With stories, that's right, Or Penicillin of America frozen yogurt.

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01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 2: Yes, true, that's a good one. Let's do that one.

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01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,839
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thanks you guys for listening to another episode

1533
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: of rewind. We appreciate you, and let's go back and

1534
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: say goodbye from the Paramount Theater. We're going to be

1535
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: back here a lot. I feel like we really love Austin, Texas.

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01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 3: How can we not do?

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01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: You guys have so much murder.

1538
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: In this state that yes, we could do the rest

1539
01:24:58,960 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: of our shows here.

1540
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, then we'd be fine. It would be very cool.

1541
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 2: And you guys are awesome, and our numbers are so

1542
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 2: bafflingly high in Texas that all the people that we're

1543
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: in feral are like this one are one of you

1544
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: from Texas Like what why and we don't know, but

1545
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 2: we love you for it. Thanks, Thank you so much,

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: you guys, stay sexy. Bye