WEBVTT - Ep. 37: Janis Putelis 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.640 Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.360 I'm Ben O'Brien and this week I'm joined by a 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.880 lot of an eagle, the great honest but tell us 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.720 in the Meat Eater Incorporated Office here in Bozeman, Montana, 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:21.200 and we're going to have a conversation in this episode 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:26.560 about ethics, really just Q and A about ethics. Everybody 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.080 out there listening. We asked you to to send us 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.000 some questions or quandaries around ethical situations and hunting and 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.040 you and you did that in spades, and we really 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.479 appreciate that. Man. There was a lot of responses. We 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.160 couldn't get to them all, but I think we got 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.800 some good ones. And the reason why I think Yanni 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.360 is the best to tackle some of these quandaries is 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:49.120 the fact that there's not a whole lot of fluff 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.080 where the eagle is involved. He kind of says what 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.120 he means and means what he says. There's not a 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.920 whole lot of extra burbage in there, and that's why 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.120 I like about the eagle. So hopefully you enjoyed this 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:06.080 episode on in Collective featuring Yeah, I need to tell us, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.680 all right, what are you saying again, I was saying 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.400 that you and I were taking deep breaths getting ready 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:19.360 to start podcasting and talking. And uh, it reminded me 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:24.480 that listened to a Ted talk. I didn't watch it, 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:28.840 and I just listened, and the gal studied about it 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:35.120 was basically like human um body posture and like the 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.920 sort of endorphins that your body creates as you're in 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.480 different postures and like though and and then she compared 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.840 like male postures and female postures the postures that I'm 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.440 in right now with like the feet kicked up on 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.279 the table and you aren't your hands blocked, your fingers 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.960 locked behind your arm, elbows out to the side. She 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.280 called that like the president like or something like that. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.360 And there's all these pictures of like Obama and Bush 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.240 and dude body is like at their desk, feet kicked 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.320 up and it's a very powerful posture, right, she was saying. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.760 So there's the test that she did, and it's remarkable 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.200 to listen to this. Like she people were going into 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.280 an interview and some people were just sat in the 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:19.760 interview room um curled over their phones doing whatever, you know, 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.480 hunched over. The other people were asked to like for 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.200 two minutes going to the other room and basically stand 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.480 around like superman like, arms crossed, chest, pumped out, legs, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.680 kind of spread out, stretch your arms, do some stuff 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.639 like that. And like it's like everybody that did that 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.440 just scored exponentially better by doing that one simple thing. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.160 That it's a confidence thing. Yeah, because like whatever, I 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.040 forget the endorphin, a chemical whatever that was released in 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.520 your body. But and again it goes. And she was 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.280 comparing it to the male versus female thing that in 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.040 like a classroom setting, it's males assume those postures much 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.600 more often, And she was and that might be a 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.960 big reason that why in a classroom mail might jump 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:08.480 up and answer a question faster, sooner, or just feel 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.040 more confident to do that in the first place. Well, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.120 now I feel a little a little conscious about my 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:17.440 posture right now. I'm a little uncomfortable moving back and 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.079 forth in my chair. Well, now, I always started, I 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.280 always look at other people. Now I'm like, it's been 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:28.640 exhibiting a presidential posture or is he leading over his phone? 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.280 Like yeahs in the basement, are you confident over there? 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.520 I'm relaxed. I'm relaxed. I don't feel we should be. Man, 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.960 it's two pm on a Friday and snowing, we're watching 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:44.360 it come white outside. Uh, you know, the weeks over, 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.920 we both I think we both really kicked ask this week. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.240 I think, yeah, yeah, I think you did well. You 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.600 went at the at the cookbook launch event downtown Bozeman. 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:58.240 You signed boy a couple I think it was uppards, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.280 you know, seventy five books. I think you signs. Took 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.280 a couple of pictures with some fans. We had fans 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.280 man from New Jersey. Yeah. Man, those guys came up 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.000 to me, They're like, oh, I was. We were on 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.840 the plane from you know wherever, from d C. I 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.200 was like, what you came that far? Oh yeah, we 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.440 came from New Jersey. I think they might have came 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.560 there ironical because of the cat lady comment you never 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:23.000 know we're going we're going there. But yeah, they just 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.359 came for just that event. And they were like, so, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.240 what else you guys do? And they said, we're karaoke 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.160 last night. They said they tore it up. Yeah, like 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.200 we tore it up here. Yeah. I was like, everybody 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.560 sings along with that song. That's the perfect karaoke song, 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.960 you know, what man, I'm ashamed, but I'm not. I'm 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.080 not like a really good music guy. But like, I've 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.920 heard of that song, but I can't right now think, 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:50.400 oh I've seen that, that's that one, that's the Queen. Yes, yeah, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.320 I'm probably wrong, somebody proud of myself. I was probably 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.080 way wrong, but I think that I'm I'm pretty sure 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:01.200 that's right. I've often had h right in if I'm wrong, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.080 right in po Box one to I still don't have 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.800 I don't have that Peo box set up. Gotta get 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:12.480 that going. Um, how's everything else going, Johnnie? I mean 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.960 you're traveling around a lot filming season eight of Meat 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:20.400 Either TV, launching a pretty fantabulous cookbook that you were 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:26.440 a primary part of, and a new company. What's just 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.480 lay out there? Lay it out there? Yeah, I mean 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:34.040 you're hitting the nail on the head, and now I'm 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.880 asked to look to the future and think of other 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:42.040 big ideas that we can act upon. Ye. So, yeah, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.359 I got some stuff up my sleeve. I don't know 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.080 if I'm willing, I'm ready. Yeah, but there's some things 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:51.080 thanks working on that are outside of what everybody's used 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:55.760 to reading or listening to but yeah, man, exciting times 0:05:55.800 --> 0:06:02.159 over here, very much is very much content creators almost weekly. Yeah, no, 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.680 we're we're cranking out. You know, if you're listening to this, 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.240 you're not going to the media dot com. Shame on you, 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.520 your bastards. Uh, there's been a lot of good reading 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:16.800 on There's Pat Durkin's article on Dirk deer p Dirk 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.640 p oh you said, pe Dirk calling pete um But yeah, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.200 what what deer smell? That was good? Like article about 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:31.040 uh killing or not to kill Marlon? Yeah. No, Pat's 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:32.839 got two more pieces coming out of fact. One just 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.720 went live today on how dear smell and how we 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.680 try to fool them and then we probably never really 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.040 fooled them. But he also had one on deer vision. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.480 You know, Mark Kenyans did a lot of stuff around 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.680 the rud white Tail lockdown. You know, it's it's it's 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.479 looking good over there. I think we're working on it. 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.159 We'll get there, keeping it fresh, keeping it Yeah, I 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.840 think we're keeping it real though as well. It's real 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.240 hot tip offs. I can't believe how many people were like, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.159 you gotta do this with a hot tipoff? Are you 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.560 gotta do that with a hot tip off. And I 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.119 can't believe that Steve's always one of those hot tip offs. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:15.120 You're a hot tip officer, always way better Steve just 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:18.040 he's got the gravy toss and he's got he knows 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.520 he's the boss. That's why I's winning. Like he's got 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.760 all the he's got all the cards, tacks in your 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.520 in his face. Man. People always are like, dude, you're 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.480 always taking a high tip. You know. I'm like you, guys, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.160 haven't gotta understand that this is my job and if 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.000 my job requires a little bit of that, and the 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.120 rest of my job is what it is, and I'm 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.680 very happy and play along. I am exactly the same 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.120 way man, and my former the job I had prior 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.240 to this one, it was very much too identify folks 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.600 like Steve and other people that are very influential and 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.240 support them in their relationship with the Jettie. And it 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.680 wasn't like I wasn't the guy doing all the I 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.240 wasn't the ambassador. I was the guy supporting those bucks. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.960 Super fun to do. It's not always fun to be 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.920 the guy in front. Sometimes it's nice to be exactly 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:11.160 standing next to the guy. People. It's easy I think 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.000 people do recognize that, but it's also easy to forget. 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:20.040 Man that that the limelight. Uh it's not quite twenty 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.200 four seven, but I think it's he says his name 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.200 with the Internet. It's like he's getting to be that way. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.360 And um, it's a lot of pressure and you can't 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.560 turn it off. You can't just choose to turn it off, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.280 especially when you're you know, when your life is wrapped 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.000 up and you can't be like I just I'd like 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.720 to get out of there until you drop, Mike drop, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.400 you know, that's what you need to turn it off. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:44.280 But you can all do that. Yeah, but I don't 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.560 feel like Steve is doing that or how I'm doing that, 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:51.280 or you're doing that anytime soon. Maybe eventually, But it's 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.440 too easy to sit in the room and talk. Let's 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.760 do what quick shot out of a canon hot tip 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:01.800 off snow related hunting hot to snow related. This is 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.920 like the maybe the new hot tips spontaneous hot tip 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.520 off planning snow related. What the things you do in 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.480 the snow? Was some snow last week in Michigan. I'm 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:16.520 trying to think what it would be a hot tip 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.680 tip cold in the tree stand, you know, uh, it 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.800 almost burned me. It didn't. But you know, if it's snowing, 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:30.040 or if it is the snow is melting, be careful 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:35.600 how long you wait to blood trail um because I 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.720 did that and ended up waiting like a couple three 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:40.959 hours just because we had some other stuff going on. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.320 It was cool. I didn't think that, you know, there's 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.440 no real need to go blood show immediately. And then 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.520 we started on the blood trail. And then because it 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:50.880 had snowed a little bit more, but more it had 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.599 been melting, that it was starting to get hard to 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.640 follow that blood trail. So be aware, you know, be 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.760 aware of that. Yeah, my only real hot tip around 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.640 that is make sure everybody's you know, just doing all days. Sit, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:10.160 be limber, stand up, stretch your freaking shoulders, stretch, make 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.920 sure you're moving. Don't be moving around too much that 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.680 the deer might spot you. But every once, every couple 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.840 of hours, stand up and stretch it out. Draw your 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.960 bow maybe if you need to be careful not to 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.079 dry fire the thing, but make sure when you stand 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.160 up your muscles aren't so tall, you know, aren't so 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.640 stiff that you can't draw your bow smoothly, because then 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.600 you get around the tree. Oh man. When I was 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.040 doing it, and I know it definitely could have cost me. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.560 But any deer that came through, if it wasn't well 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.720 it was there was not the buck or whatever I 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:40.400 was trying to shoot at, I would try to draw 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.280 on it. Yeah. Yeah, that could be dangerous. And you 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.000 definitely come and then you look back and there's you know, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:50.520 a big boy. But um, it's good to do because 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.720 I just feel like that what you gain from doing 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.600 that it almost outweighs like the risk you're taken because 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:59.000 you do it. And also you realize like, oh I 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.480 didn't see that limb there earlier, that I really can't 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.080 take this shot, or or when can I Like, Okay, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.760 the deer's coming from he's coming in into the wind. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.559 I'm safe. He's coming right down this trail way, you know, 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.280 So I draw here, Oh I draw right back into 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.400 the camera guy, or I draw right back into a 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.760 limb that's right at this angle. So if you do that, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.560 if you've I always you know, have my shooting lanes, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.200 and I always draw to each shooting lane, so I 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:25.120 kind of have an idea of oh, here he comes, 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.600 I'm drawn to the shooting lane and it becomes different. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:29.559 I can always move, but at least I know kind 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.360 of like what that motion looks like. And if it's 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.640 not banging my elbow and a freaking you know, on 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.160 a hook or something and make a noise, that's my 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.439 hot tip. That's good. It's a good hot tip. Man. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.720 I was doing some of that last week in the cold. Um. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.040 I was doing air squats. I think I call him 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.080 air squads. Is an air squat just doing a squad 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.440 with no weight? Yeah, yeah, okay, so I was doing 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.360 the sets of thirty. I felt like that would really 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.080 bump up my cored tampa plus your core temps going. Yeah, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:11:59.000 so if you're sitting there, you can get I would 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.439 get to the point where I'd be like, okay, it's 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.840 eleven o'clock, it's snow in a rain or it's getting 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.000 super cold, and get my phone out kind of like 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.080 get myself, you know, have some soup, do a little 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.720 like one hour phone session so I can my mind 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:15.560 can settle and um get a little stimulation. And then 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:17.520 you know, even after an hour an hour and a half, 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.200 you stand back up and you're like you're stiff. And 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:22.800 I had that happened in Illinois, like three or four 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.079 years ago. I was shooting one of those. Uh so 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.800 I shooting like the bow tech maybe insanity as a 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.200 super harsh turnover. The draw cycles were rough, and I 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.880 had a a buck come down the strange to my right, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:37.800 and I had to turn my entire body because I 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:39.440 was kind of the trees day was facing off to 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.040 the left, turn my entire body and draw across my body. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.360 And I was so stiff I could barely do it. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.920 And I and I there was one I got about 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.640 half half draw and had let down and then shift 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.839 my body so I could get a solid drawn. I'm 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.560 doing all that other there's a buck of fifty yards 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.079 rather than just being a folds drawn and killing the thing. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.400 So hot tips. Yeah, there's no one here that can 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.160 choose the winner. Spontaneous hot tips right into the right 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.000 in tell us the winner, I'll choose. You think that 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.520 was a pretty good one. I'm pretty confident it was 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:17.400 a little bit more cold related. Yeah, but you know 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.640 you've been living in Texas last few years. I'll give 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.840 you a path. Yeah. Yeah, Actually I could do like 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:32.120 rattlesnake related hot tips. I'd have none for that. Um, okay, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:42.800 here's what we're gonna do. Ethics. Hunting ethics, I think um. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.440 On this podcast in particular and also in the media podcast, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:50.720 there's a lot of conversation around hunting ethics and generally 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.840 situational hunting ethics, like what happens in this situation? What 0:13:54.920 --> 0:14:00.440 do I do? And so I, uh, if days ago 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.920 asked for folks on the Instagram to submit some stuff, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.800 So we go over to Yanni, are you prepared to 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:16.439 go over some ethical quandaries? I am. I'm actually googling 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.200 ethics definition so that we can. I think that's a 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.840 good yes, that's a good starting point, a baseline of 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:33.600 what we're talking about. What do you got? Two definitions? 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.800 Moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.280 of an activity, and to be the branch of knowledge 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.440 the deals with moral principles. I like that moral principles 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.320 what we're talking about. And I guess hunting be being 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:56.840 the killing of another living thing. It's pretty fraught with 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:05.560 moral an ethical quadries and principles both. So this will 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.280 be a good conversation. Um, We've got a lot of them, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.200 so we'll see how many we can get through. But 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:13.960 I will start by saying thanks to everybody that that 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.520 wrote in and and uh, I'd like to lead with 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:20.120 the light one if you don't mind the honnie please. Uh. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.240 This came from Calm Pete. He says, is it okay 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:29.720 to say hunting is fun anymore? What is your thoughts 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:37.280 um ethically speaking? For sure? I don't really know if 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:42.120 that's even an ethics or moral question, but I think 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.120 it is. I think the way you pose it is 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.880 not necessarily an ethical question, but I think ethically it's 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.560 presenting yourself as an ethical hunter. How much, how much joy, 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.040 how much fun can you display? That's what he's probably getting. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.320 Is it ethical from a hunting stampoint you display how 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.760 much fun you're having when you're putting yourself out there 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:06.720 to the public. Well, it's good a point out too 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.640 before we get into that. Back to morals and ethics 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.520 is that they're always personal, of course, right you know, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.880 like your community, your family, your community sorts sort of 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.120 gives you the outline of what they should probably be. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.360 You in the end have to decide what they're going 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:28.120 to be, and they're always determined by your experiences, your perspectives, 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.800 your value systems. Like you said that are either instilled 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:33.680 in you or vices you developed through you know, your life, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.760 life experience experiences. So I think this question is more 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.280 of a little bit more about how like you know 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.280 someone else is going to judge you. Yeah, so yeah, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.840 But I think in general there's some ethics and hunting 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.320 around how you display it just because of the situation 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:54.440 where you know. But uh, for me personally, I definitely 0:16:54.760 --> 0:17:01.280 talk about hunting and use the word fun death on everything, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:07.200 almost everything about it. The killing itself is not always 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:11.439 fun um. Sometimes it can feel good, sometimes it can 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.520 feel bad. But for the most part, Yeah, I think 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.120 it's totally okay to do that as But again that's 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.480 like he that's way too simple of an answer, because 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.760 you can go nuts with fun and turn it into 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.359 like a circus. And I don't think that's really cool 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.680 to apply that to the hunting. Well, I think it's 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.639 it's it's some Yeah. Again, it gets back to the 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.399 person by person. Think, if you know that you're a 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.280 very emotional person by nature, hunting is going to bring 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.680 that out of your times too, because you've just done 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.560 you know, if you if you just talk about specifically 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.879 about the killing of the thing, is that fun or not. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.360 I think that's probably what old Colum Pete's getting that too. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.639 Is it ethically? Am I like, is my if I 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.879 moral principle that is that I have fun while killing 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.960 an animal? Or killing an animal is fun to me? 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.080 Is that morally sound like to be able to say that? 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.680 You know? And I would say, like, don't The killing 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.720 of the animal should be part of the process, but 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.879 maybe not the fun part. I mean, it can be exhilarating, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.480 it could be a lot of things, but I don't 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.399 know that fun. Maybe we should define fun, but I 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:29.280 don't know that fun is the way. So is it? 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.359 You know? Can we say to the question that can 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.399 we say, honey, is fun? Absolutely? We should say it's 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.280 fun because it is. If it's not fun, you're just 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.959 you're probably a weirdo. Um, we should say it's fun. Now, 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.639 how we display that fun? Isn't this another another question? 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:48.520 I think? Morally? Um, I think you should. You should 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.600 display your emotions how they come. You shouldn't be fake 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.120 about how you display it. But you should also think 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.480 about when there's other people around you that that have 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.080 never experienced that, how did you get that across them 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.600 in a way that makes sense, and I think Steve 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.280 Alis says, you know, I like meat and I like 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.960 to have fun, and if hunting, if I lost either 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.920 of those two things, I wouldn't do it. I can 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.800 agree with that, But so we think it's okay to 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:18.480 say it's fun. You agree with that I do. You 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.280 can't take your tank, can't take it too seriously, take 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.119 it too seriously, we say, um, let's get to a 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:32.920 little bit longer one. Let's see this came from coyote Charlie. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.679 He says, I was wondering about fenced hunting. From what 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.880 I know, you're you meaning me, are pretty familiar with Texas, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.920 so you might have some thoughts on this. And you've 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.440 hunting Texas, but not have you ever hunting high fence? Okay, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:53.200 I've hunting dogs that were flying across high fence range, 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:59.640 but that doesn't count. That counts I I was in there. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:04.320 We are not hunting that wild stuff high fence hunter. Uh, 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.280 you might have some thoughts. I'm pretty against fenced hunting. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.960 And the raising of bucks is livestock with unrealistic, freakish anilers. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.760 So that's so that's defines that defines wrong. But as 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.439 far as fence hunting in general, what is your what 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.720 do you think about the space for hunting? Is it 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.920 still fence hunting if it's five thousand acres obviously three 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.640 to five hundred acres would be a huge place in 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:37.440 some areas, but some places not. What do you think 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.800 about when does it become fair chase? And what's your 0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:45.920 opinion about the size of the acreage high fence ranch? 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.520 What do you think about that? Is there a is 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.560 there a I guess this question is ethically in the 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.119 in the application of fair chase. Is there a point 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.480 in which it becomes fair chase based on the amount 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:06.120 of acres that is fenced? Right? And uh man, it's 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.160 gonna vary so much from situation to situation. And again, 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:11.840 I think you're just gonna have to make your own 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.080 call while you're there, because it doesn't matter if it's 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:21.120 five acres or five thousand acres. If you've cornered the 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:28.240 animal against the fence, it's not fair chase. Yes, well, 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.199 I think like you said, it's I think it's based 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.760 on the animal you're chasing and the south. So let's 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.840 say like an average range of a white tailed deer 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.480 is a square mile, Is it then ethical to say, 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:48.800 if the fence covers square mile, then that white tail 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.960 on average has enough room to roam that he could 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.960 be naturally have patterns and he would be not restricted 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:59.040 by fences. Do you feel like that's true? He's still 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:04.800 restricted though, yep? What about two miles? Now twice is 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:10.640 average range still restricting? What about three miles? I don't 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.440 know what the cutoff is gonna be because I guess 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:15.239 if you go to the extreme and let's just say, well, 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:20.359 let's just say we put a fence around lower which 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:22.960 in the way you kind of have because we have 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:26.880 fences on borders that you know, it's sometimes they're not 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:30.680 made for wildlife to pass through. And then on either 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.240 coast you have these things called oceans, which prevent most 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:38.760 animals from moving large bodies of salty water. So, uh, 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:44.320 you know, we have some sort of enclosure. We do, 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:49.960 but obviously it's all fair. Chase. Yes, I so I 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.640 hunted in Texas on a high fence ranch some years ago. 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.879 He I was working for Patian Sunny magazine and a 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:58.760 certain company called me up and said, hey, we'd like 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.440 to do this hunt. Film it for television show. And 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.520 I said, well, I don't do high fence, so I'd 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.199 rather not go. They said, hey, we would love to 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.679 you to come down, experience in since you've never done it, 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.080 and then write about your experience as to whether it's 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.760 fair chase or not. This this I remember, this particular 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.919 place is about a little bit over five thousand acres. 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.160 It had once been they had bought, they had once 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.919 bred deer there, but it had been years since they 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.520 had actually bred any deer there. So there were breed 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.680