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Speaker 1: Hey guys. Here we are back on normally the show

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Speaker 1: with normalist takes for when the news gets weird, and

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Speaker 1: it's really weird because we're a week before election day.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mary Katherine Ham.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. How's it going, MK, It's good.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Look, I do not work on a campaign, so I

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Speaker 1: have the luxury of being able to sort of take

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Speaker 1: a moment with my family. Election. Yeah, so thank you

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Speaker 1: to all those doing the work out there that is

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Speaker 1: not the work that I'm doing. I got to goof

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Speaker 1: the Marine Corps Marathon dinner. I did not run, though

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Speaker 1: those crazy people are trying to talk to me in

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Speaker 1: it for next year. And the kids were off with dad,

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Speaker 1: riding around in like little baby ATVs and meeting ducks

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Speaker 1: and goofing off outside building fires. We got to teach

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Speaker 1: them to do that nice.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they seem like they were having a really good time.

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Speaker 1: They were having a very good time. He put them in.

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Speaker 1: He put the babies in overalls with no shirts, which

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Speaker 1: I thought was really a look that's the look.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I love it.

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Speaker 1: If anybody didn't know I was right of center. They

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Speaker 1: could look at the kids in the overalls with these

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Speaker 1: shirts and be like, Okay, yeah, we got it.

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Speaker 2: We know where this family stands.

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Speaker 1: What about you.

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Speaker 5: I was in Texas with my family. We were in

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Speaker 5: San Antonio and then briefly in Austin. It was fantastic

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Speaker 5: and we were there to see Billy Joel. But I

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Speaker 5: Alamo and that was really interesting, really cool. Davy Crockett

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Speaker 5: all about it. Learned a lot, and yeah, it was fantastic.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. Political season in Florida and political

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Speaker 5: season in Texas should be pretty similar. But I was

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Speaker 5: in kind of left leaning areas, so you did see

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Speaker 5: quite a few Harris Wall signs. But in the center

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Speaker 5: of Austin like this house is just asking to be

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Speaker 2: There's like, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, noa Kamala with the K being a hammer and sickle,

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Speaker 5: and then like make America Healthy Again sign, which is

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Speaker 5: you know, the Robert F. Kennedy version of MAGA, and

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Speaker 5: they were They're just doing it loud and proud.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I like to see that on both sides. I like

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Speaker 1: to see that in areas where you are the minority,

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Speaker 1: because we should live in a country where you should

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Speaker 1: feel comfortable doing that in my old But did I

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Speaker 1: little I'm not sure. I Look, I was very outspoken publicly,

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Speaker 2: You don't want to get it. I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, brave evil out there. It's interesting because so I'm

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Speaker 1: in Virginia. I'm actually in a competitive district of Virginia

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Speaker 1: this weekend, so there's a lot of activity here. You're

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Speaker 1: in Texas. These are not two places that are considered

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Speaker 1: battleground states. Nonetheless, they are places that are getting visits

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Speaker 2: Do I think it's going on?

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Speaker 1: Well, it used to be that that would tell you

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Speaker 2: When did he win California?

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Speaker 1: And did he win California. No, he did. Likelihood is

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Speaker 1: that's not happening. So this is probably what's happening with

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Speaker 1: in Virginia that looks closer than it should be, right,

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Speaker 5: Right, and we saw a lot of all read ads

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Speaker 1: And I think I was trying to figure out this

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Speaker 2: Right, that's really it.

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Speaker 4: They just wanted Beyonce to show up, and so.

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Speaker 1: You have to do.

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Speaker 5: So what's interesting is she did show up your you know,

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Speaker 5: the whole she doesn't really show up, but then she

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I almost wondered if that is that better or

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Speaker 1: They got a short speech from Kelly Roland, who, by

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Speaker 1: too long. Yeah, and then Beyonce takes the stage and

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Speaker 1: gives a three minute speech. She says, I'm not here's

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Speaker 4: At that moment.

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Speaker 5: And look, you know, it's funny because over the weekend,

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Speaker 5: of course we'll talk about it. But Donald Trump had

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Speaker 5: his rally in Madison Square Garden and they're not tricking

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Speaker 2: We're going to have hul Kogan there.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's not there's no you know, come here

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Speaker 5: to hear Kid Rock play, none of that, Right, it's

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Speaker 1: I have a theory, by the way, about Beyonce and

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Speaker 1: I think Beyonce is like Taylor endorsed Harris, but she's

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Speaker 1: not coming anywhere near this. I get paid a lot

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Speaker 2: To do that, right, And there's a lot you know

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Speaker 5: Also, Beyonce's in a questionable news cycle right now with

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Speaker 5: Beyonce New Beyonce is involved Beyonce, you know all of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's been a shift that she used to

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Speaker 1: to express that like, maybe a Beyonce album is not

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Speaker 2: Without didn't love the Country album, did you?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I love Beyonce's music. I am a big

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Trump's weekend. Trump held a rally

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Speaker 1: of things so that it's an interesting lineup. It's Dana White,

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Speaker 1: They fill the place. And let's first talk about the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's classified in media in this way. So

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Speaker 1: here's an MSNBC chiron. Trump's Madison Square Garden rally comes

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Speaker 1: eighty five years after pro Nazi rally at famed venue. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and here's Larry Sabato, who used to be a pretty

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy.

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Speaker 5: That is a crazy thing to say, and I think

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Speaker 5: they need to be called out on it, you know. Actually, So,

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Speaker 5: I saw Billy Joel over the weekend in Texas and

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Speaker 5: those who like in Trump to Hitler and the MSG

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Speaker 5: rally to the Nazi rally isn't just smearing Trump but

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Speaker 5: so what the Nazis had a rally there, Billy Joel

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Speaker 2: What's your point?

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Speaker 1: Basically right, I'm so surprised that Billy Joel did one

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Speaker 1: Just like the idea that this is invoking that instead

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Speaker 5: And it's kind of absurd that that, again, that minimization

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Speaker 2: Where where is that from the left?

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Speaker 1: And in addition to the so that's one story coming

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Speaker 1: Yeah that doesn't work for you.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's something to grab onto. It's when you're

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Speaker 2: And I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 1: Well, they are suffering with Hispanic and Latino voters. I

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Speaker 4: It could be new voters who would take a second look.

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Speaker 5: But I agree with you largely is that Trump is

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Speaker 5: the candidate of joking.

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Speaker 5: Yes, even at the expense of different groups, even at

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is all okay. And I know I hate

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Speaker 4: the whole this is racist, Like, no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's worth noting that George Lopez on the

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Speaker 2: That is important.

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Speaker 1: more that's it, Lopez said, when Trump was talking about

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about building the wall, he said, you'd

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Speaker 2: So canceled. We'll be right back on normally.

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Speaker 1: I hate the environment where it's fine for them to

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Speaker 1: Garden is a Nazi rally. And telling a joke, a

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, that's the way it goes, the double standard.

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Speaker 1: Shall we hear a little bit about from doctor phil

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Speaker 6: Tell you what the critics are going to say when

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Speaker 6: and let me tell you why. The answer to that

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Speaker 6: to be an imbalance of power, and when there's not,

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Speaker 1: He also said at one point, he's like, I know,

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Speaker 1: I don't need one.

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Speaker 2: It's good for him.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I often think that these people

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Speaker 4: You have nothing to worry about, just say what you think.

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Speaker 1: Uncancellable people are very important to our society.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta have.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have Elon Musk too much, you sure? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle's who talented to be canceled Doctor Phil got

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Speaker 1: He's not going to lose his giant audience. He's never

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Joe Rogan, I mean obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yes, speaking of shall we play a clip from that?

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's what's so interesting is that Donald Trump

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Speaker 7: It's no different than leaving garbage on the ground.

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Speaker 7: But we have them.

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Speaker 3: things that fifty story buildings, some of them.

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Speaker 7: Right, and they're super sensitive to vibration.

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Speaker 5: They have those.

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Speaker 3: You know, the wind is rushing, the things are blowing.

444
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Speaker 3: It's a vibration and it makes noise. You know what

445
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Speaker 3: it is. I want to be a whale psychiatrist. It

446
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Speaker 3: drives the whales freakin crazy, and something happens with them.

447
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Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, they're getting washed up on shure

448
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Speaker 3: and you know, and yet the environment, the environments, they

449
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Speaker 3: don't talk about it. I think there's nothing uglier. I

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Speaker 3: see it in Scotland, I see it all.

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Speaker 7: Over the world.

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Speaker 3: You have this beautiful valley, it's been there for you know,

453
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Speaker 3: in civilization thousands of years, but millions of years, and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden you have these ugly windmills up.

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Speaker 5: He cares about this issue this is like a Trump

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Speaker 5: core issue, like we all have them. The odd thing

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Speaker 5: that we really really care about windmills is Trump's think.

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Speaker 1: I love uh. I think he hates them because they're ugly. Right,

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Speaker 1: He's like, I build buildings. This is nonsense. You're using

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Speaker 1: all this material and building this iy sore.

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Speaker 5: But the whale thing, he seems to really care about

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Speaker 5: these whales too. He's like, you're bothering the whales.

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Speaker 1: He wants to work on their mental health with them, right,

464
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Speaker 1: he wants to be the Brene Brown of Wales.

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Speaker 5: Yes, in retirement, George W. Bush became a painter Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump whale psychologist.

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Speaker 1: So that like this was picked out of the interview

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Speaker 1: to sort of my opponents sort of act like he

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Speaker 1: was way crazy. But no, this is great. It's a

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Speaker 1: real thing that's happening. It's a funny way to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. They're talking about the downsides of environmental policies,

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Speaker 1: which they're correct never get talked about in mainstream sources.

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Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think if that's the worst

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Speaker 1: clip from that that you have had a bad day,

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Speaker 1: You've had a good day.

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Speaker 2: Fully.

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Speaker 1: Also, there's no AI images of a whale on the

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Speaker 1: couch sitting from now and I like that.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we talked about this in a previous episode,

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Speaker 5: but Elon Musk had to prove that his rockets weren't

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Speaker 5: hitting whales, and that is somehow seen as okay.

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Speaker 2: But wanting to protect.

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Speaker 5: Whales from you know, the vibrations of windmills, that's not.

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Speaker 1: Who knew how much whale content there would be in

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Speaker 1: the last two weeks of this selection.

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Speaker 4: Who knew that this would be a hot topic.

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Speaker 1: On the on the topic of both new media and

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Speaker 1: mental health issues. AOC and Tim Walls were doing a

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Speaker 1: sort of a Twitch stream of them playing Madden. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I want to say that I think this is

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Speaker 1: a cute idea. I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like it. Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I was to say, I don't know if they pulled

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Speaker 1: it off, but I do think the idea of people

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Speaker 1: playing Madden and chatting about politics sure is something that's

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Speaker 1: content that I would consume. Yes, who is the audience this?

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Speaker 5: So they're trying to reach men, right, and they're like

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Speaker 5: men play video games.

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Speaker 2: They use Twitch.

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Speaker 4: I know AOC actually does use Twitch, so it's cool.

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Speaker 4: But they're trying to reach like the especially.

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Speaker 5: Like blue collar men, it's not AOC. He should have

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Speaker 5: played Twitch with I don't even know Fetterman, John Fetterman.

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Speaker 2: He should have gotten on there and played twitch with him.

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Speaker 4: But Fetterman's been sort of absent from this campaign. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he does speak out for Kamala, but I think him

507
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Speaker 4: being so pro Israel, they've sort of put him by

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Speaker 4: the wayside.

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Speaker 5: A long time ago, I saw John Fetterman one night

510
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Speaker 5: I was splipping channels, way before he was well known.

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Speaker 5: I saw him give an interview and I was like,

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Speaker 5: this guy is going to be trouble. He was a

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Speaker 5: hardcore socialist, but he was extremely smart, extremely well spoken,

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Speaker 5: and I was like, ooh, this is someone the right

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Speaker 5: should fear.

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Speaker 4: And then of course he goes on to become a

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Speaker 4: US Senator.

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Speaker 5: And now, of course I think he's awesome on his

519
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Speaker 5: Israel support, but he is still very of the LFE.

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Speaker 5: He should have maybe done a video game twitch with

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Speaker 5: somebody more masculine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the I think AOC is a is

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Speaker 1: an entree into new media spaces because she is quite

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Speaker 1: good at knowing what the tone should be in these areas.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they were just like AOC's hot and is on

526
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Speaker 1: Twitch and knows how to play man.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, young, I'm trying to understand.

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Speaker 5: It just doesn't make any sense to me that they

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Speaker 5: would do it with her, like, especially as they're trying

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Speaker 5: to kind of say we're not this far left thing,

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Speaker 5: and AOC is known for being pretty far left.

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Speaker 1: And to that point, let's hear a clip of AOC

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Speaker 1: talking to Tim Walls about her concerns about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election and moving forward.

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Speaker 5: I do not want to do four more years of

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Speaker 5: resistance nonsense under Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Okay, like, good god, Like, do we remember.

538
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Speaker 5: What it was like waking up every day and it

539
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 5: was some shit going on?

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00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we do.

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Speaker 1: I remember that. I would say a lot of that

542
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Speaker 1: was self inflicted.

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Speaker 2: Nonsense, is very much how I think about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're actually on the same page, AOC. So if

545
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Speaker 1: you could contain yourself while taking in information during a

546
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Speaker 1: Trump presidency and not make up, say Russiagate, that would

547
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Speaker 1: keep you a little bit more sane in the he

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Speaker 1: becomes president.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, if if the media can maybe

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Speaker 5: relax a little bit and the Washington Post change their

552
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 5: tagline to democracy dies in darkness, and then it did

553
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Speaker 5: die right is dead.

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Speaker 1: This is this is of not only is AOC concerned

555
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Speaker 1: about what will happen to her, but already the Washington

556
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: Post in La Times newsrooms are losing it. Because the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post and LA Times decided not to endorse a candidate.

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Speaker 1: This will now. I think presidential endorsements by newspapers are

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Speaker 1: relics of the past, as newspapers are basically relics of

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Speaker 1: the past. At this point, it does not offend except

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Speaker 1: in your post.

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Speaker 2: Let's just get that out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, it does not surprise me or offend me

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Speaker 1: that they would endorse Kamala Harris. I expected to see that.

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Speaker 1: I think if they were going to make this decision,

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Speaker 1: they probably should have done it a year ago and

567
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Speaker 1: announced it because it looks weird right before the election.

568
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Speaker 1: But the newsrooms are not taking it.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, they're they're in a bit of a huff

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Speaker 5: about it. It is interesting the non endorsement, right, So

571
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Speaker 5: you're right. I don't think an endorsement matters. It only

572
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 5: matters when, and even then it doesn't really matter. But

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Speaker 5: if they endorse the other candidate, that would be crazy. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: if any of these people endorsed Trump, it would be

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Speaker 5: a gigantic story. It's interesting that the La Times came

576
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Speaker 5: out with its reasoning and said that basically Kamala is

577
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Speaker 5: not anti Israel enough, but the Washington Post hasn't really

578
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Speaker 5: said anything. Jen Ruben hardest hit because she was She's

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Speaker 5: a columnist at the Washington Post, and she was applauding

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Speaker 5: the La Times people resigning when the La Times hadn't endorsed.

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Speaker 5: But of course she still is working at the Washington

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Speaker 5: Post despite USA they didn't endorse Kamala. And it's interesting

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00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 5: because she's also you know, she's supposed to be the

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Speaker 5: conservative and she's like as far left as anybody there.

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00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: Now.

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00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: I believe she called Kamala Harris one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: speakers of all time. I'm not really even paraprage, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of employees are quitting, a bunch of liberals

590
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: are canceling their subscriptions, and I think that energy could

591
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Speaker 1: be better used for like knocking doors and doing phone

592
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: banking if you're going to do activism this week, I'm

593
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Speaker 1: sort of surprised at how mental everybody went over it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think it serves anyone. I think their

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Speaker 1: concern is these guys, the owners of the places, are

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Speaker 1: rich guys who are bending to Trump in anticipation of

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Speaker 1: being punished by Trump. One I would say, if you

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Speaker 1: wanted to like appease Trump in some way, you could

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Speaker 1: just make your reporters be fairer and not crazy crazy

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Speaker 1: and like not things like comparing his events to Nazi rallies.

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Speaker 1: So that would be a more effective way to do

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Speaker 1: that too. I feel like the people who canceled over

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Speaker 1: the La Times thing once they found out that he subscribed,

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Speaker 1: Like what when they found out that the reason that

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Speaker 1: La Times didn't endorse is because, oh, Kamala was too supportive,

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Speaker 1: They're like, oh, scramble, what do we do now? Virtue signal?

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Speaker 1: So I know, I wish them all luck. The Washington

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Speaker 1: Post on their Instagram this week seemed to be preparing

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Speaker 1: its readership for uh, the possibility of a loss in

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Speaker 1: the near future.

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Speaker 3: Is that right? You know?

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Speaker 1: They were like, look into you know, spiritual practices.

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Speaker 2: Religion is good again.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So best of luck to everyone as we get

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Speaker 1: through this week.

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Speaker 5: One more thing about non endorsements. You know, I was

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Speaker 5: thinking about this, Taylor Swift and Beyonce endorse Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 5: and jay Z have not. And it's interesting because Kamala

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Speaker 5: Harris needs these you know, the men vote right, that's

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Speaker 5: where she's weakest, and they couldn't get those two to

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Speaker 5: issue endorsements, especially jay Z. I think that he would

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Speaker 5: be a natural Kamala Harris voter. He seems pretty on

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Speaker 5: the left with Beyonce, I don't think, maybe not Travis Kelcey.

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Speaker 5: But it's interesting that they didn't lock down those endorsements.

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Speaker 1: What do you think it is interesting? I do think

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Speaker 1: there is a general sort of lack of enthusiasm for

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Speaker 1: a person who hasn't proven that she's good at this.

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Speaker 1: That's it, and like, so you're not going to get

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Speaker 1: those extra.

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Speaker 5: Ones, right, We're going to take a short break and

631
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Speaker 5: come right back with normally.

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Speaker 1: I think we have one more story or in case

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Speaker 1: you missed it, and I do not want to miss

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Speaker 1: it because it is an important one.

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Speaker 5: Casts So, there was a study done through the National

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Speaker 5: Institute of Health, and I'm going to read you a

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Speaker 5: little bit from the New York Times on the study.

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Speaker 5: The doctor Johanna Olsen Kennedy began the study in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 5: as part of a broader, multi million dollar federal.

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Speaker 4: Project on transgender youth. She and her colleagues recruited ninety

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Speaker 4: five children from across the country and gave them puberty blockers,

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Speaker 4: which stave off the permanent physical changes like press or

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Speaker 4: a deepening voice that could exacerbate their gender distress known

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Speaker 4: as dysphoria. In the nine years since the study was

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Speaker 4: founded by the National Institute of Health, and as medical

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Speaker 4: care for the small group of adolescents became a searing

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Speaker 4: issue in American politics, doctor Olsen's Kennedy's.

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Speaker 2: Team has not published the data.

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Speaker 5: Asked why, she said the findings might fuel the kind

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Speaker 5: of political attacks that have led to the bands of

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Speaker 5: the youth gender treatments in more than twenty states, which

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Speaker 5: will be soon considered by the Supreme Court, she said,

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Speaker 5: I do not want our work to be weaponized, which

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Speaker 5: to me just means only we can weaponize our work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is a giant story.

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Speaker 5: It's the fact that New York Times even covered it

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Speaker 5: is kind of a plus. It's insane that she got

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Speaker 5: all this funding and doesn't want to release the research

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Speaker 5: because it doesn't say what she should would say this.

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Speaker 2: Is not science.

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Speaker 5: We saw a lot of this during COVID, of course,

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Speaker 5: and it's a big deal that giving kids these hormones

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Speaker 5: has some really bad outcomes that people don't know about.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of people think that it's harmless,

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Speaker 5: largely harmless. And of course the conversation has moved in

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Speaker 5: the last few years, and the conservative side has managed

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Speaker 5: to penetrate some of this bubble. But when you hold

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Speaker 5: back scientific studies that don't prove what you hope it

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Speaker 5: would prove, that is not science.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, I would go even further and say

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Speaker 1: it's the opposite of science. Right. You're doing an experiment,

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Speaker 1: you're finding out the results of that experiment. And when

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Speaker 1: the results of that experiment are what are not these

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Speaker 1: sort of like ridiculously policed point of view that you've

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Speaker 1: been enforcing, you withhold those results by the way that

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Speaker 1: we paid for right, We paid a lot of money

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Speaker 1: for this. And the thing is, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of the revolt against experts, the lack of public trust,

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Speaker 1: particularly in health experts. At this point, again, some of

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Speaker 1: the allure of Trump is yeah, he does not always

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Speaker 1: now I will I'll take some hits at him for

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Speaker 1: trusting Fauci in the beginning of the pandemic. But he

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Speaker 1: is more willing to listen to more voices than the

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Speaker 1: sort of these doctors of the world, right, because those

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Speaker 1: doctors of the world and those experts end up being

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Speaker 1: propaganda to find out, end up being people who aren't

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Speaker 1: interested in finding out whether the thing they're doing is

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Speaker 1: literally harming children. Yeah, a lot of Americans look at

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Speaker 1: the idea of pubity blockers and go instinctively that seems

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Speaker 1: like not a great idea, right, but they installed.

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Speaker 4: This idea, right that it's okay.

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Speaker 5: I think that I would say that even ten years ago,

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Speaker 5: I probably believed that they were harmless.

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Speaker 2: That was the line. The line was they were harmless.

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Speaker 2: And back then I believed what health officials told me.

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Speaker 2: So that's changed.

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Speaker 1: We've been on a journey, we really have. But I

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Speaker 1: think this is a lot of a lot of sort

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Speaker 1: of the undertone of the campaigns, these two campaigns fighting

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Speaker 1: each other, is about a lack of trust in the establishment,

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Speaker 1: a lack of trust in the experts. And I was

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Speaker 1: listening to Kamala on Brene Brown actually, and the two

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Speaker 1: of them were bemoaning the idea that Trump would turn

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Speaker 1: to non experts, that they did not approve of people

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Speaker 1: who would have power who are not of the established

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Speaker 1: expert elite class, to which many Americans respond fantastic, good, fantastic.

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Speaker 1: And I do think they have this incredible blind spot

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that this is in the New York

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Speaker 1: Times and they should read that because that's the kind

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Speaker 1: of thing they read. That this is a problem.

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Speaker 5: Right, this will be largely ignored, though obviously I think

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Speaker 5: some people on the left, the usual kind of people

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Speaker 5: who touch on this kind of stuff, will pick it up.

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Speaker 5: I actually first saw it on Jesse Single's Yeah Twitter.

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Speaker 4: But in general the left will ignore.

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Speaker 1: This, which was as a detriment to the children who

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Speaker 1: are being treated. Because when you want to make drastic

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Speaker 1: this is all I'm saying with the pandemic with this,

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Speaker 1: When you want to make drastic changes, when you want

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Speaker 1: to do things that might not be able to be

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Speaker 1: clawed back, you need to have some data for me,

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Speaker 1: and convincing data.

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Speaker 2: Data. Let's let's get some and let's follow it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, crazy crazy ideas.

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