1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning, 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: am delighted to welcome Christine Co to Before Breakfast. Christine 8 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: is the host of the Edit Your Life podcast, along 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: with numerous other projects. So Christine, welcome to the show. 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: Hello Laura, I'm so happy to be recording with you today. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy to have you here. Well, why don't 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself? 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: Okay, the top line is, in my previous life, I 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: was a music and brain scientist. I have a PhD 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: in that field. That was a long time ago, and 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: whenever people asked me to drop neuroscience information, I'm kind 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: of like my training is a little outdated. But about 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: twenty years ago I left the field and just wanted 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: to create more independent, creative, flexible ventures and I started 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: in the wild world of the internet with a personal 21 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: blog and over the years, my various iterations have included 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: a published book, a couple of podcasts, a very robust 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: creative consulting consultancy. I work as a creative director and 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: storytelling expert, and so I just do a lot of things, 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: and I have a couple substack newsletters now. And I've 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: just always loved, you know, problem solving, helping people solve problems, 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: and you know, trying to disrupt this kind of perfect 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 2: lifestyle narrative with just how we all get things done. 29 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's why you and I aligned so well, 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: is we're just both really committed to helping people figure 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: out ways to do things. 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, take our days from great to awesome, as we 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: always say around here. So your podcast is called Edit 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: your Life. What does it mean to edit your life? 35 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think in general there's a lot of content 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: about decluttering, which of course is covered on the show. 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 2: But to me, editing your Life is about really addressing 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 2: well first, noticing the different pain points, stressers, areas of discontent, 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: whatever they may be in your life, and figuring out 40 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: how to edit those things out so you have more 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: room to do the things you care about, make days 42 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: more awesome, all of those things, because honestly, we all 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: deserve it. 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So well, I want to hear about how Christine 45 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: edits her life. So I am hoping you can talk 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: about some any routines you have right now in your 47 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: life that are serving you and making life better. 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, my approach, especially in the last few years, 49 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 2: perhaps sparked by the pandemic, perhaps just sparked by who 50 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: I am in this current phase of my life, has 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: really been all about micro So what are the little 52 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: levers we can pull in our day to day lives 53 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: in order to insert a little more joy, find some ease, 54 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: some relief, calmer nervous systems, any of those things. And 55 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: because all of us are under a lot of stress 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: these days and we just need more touch points with joy, 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: we just we deserve that too, right, So I think 58 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: I mean just to think about Literally before breakfast this morning, 59 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: I decided instead of I really do try to start 60 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: my day by not scrolling. So if I have a 61 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: great book with me, that's like my usual first choice. 62 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: But this weekend I cracked open a brand new per 63 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: puzzle that I received from my birthday. So I started 64 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: my morning at like six in the morning laying out 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: a few puzzle pieces, putting them together while I sipped 66 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: my coffee, and it was like ten minutes before I 67 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: started doing the things like making lunch and whatever else. 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: But those little moments that I inst in my days 69 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: are proving to be really powerful for my general well being. 70 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have a usual morning routine? I mean, 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: is do you normally start your days with something like that? 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: Or I wonder if you can talk us through that. 73 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: Sure? Sure, Well I don't have as many children as you. 74 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: I have two. One is out of the house, she's 75 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: a college senior, and the other is a high school freshman. 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: So like many parents during the school year, we have 77 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: the routine of, you know, getting everybody up. We you know, 78 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: I do my little practice with my puzzle or my books, 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: and we all relax a little bit, and then it's 80 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: kicking into gear with helping our kid out the door 81 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: to school. She actually leaves pretty early at like seven 82 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: am for the bus because that's just how things roll 83 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: around here. And then I usually walk the dog with 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: my husband or I do I do these growing strength 85 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: classes like one or three times a week, which is 86 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: really nice, and I kind of do all that stuff 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: before I kick off my workday, so it's a lot 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: of nice. I'm realizing kind of personal touch points with 89 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: my family and my dog before I get rolling for 90 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: the day, which is you know, I'm sort of in 91 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: my office cave hammering away for a full day. So 92 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 2: it's a nice way to start the day. 93 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Is there anything you've stopped doing? I mean, as 94 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: we talk about editing your life, is there anything in 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: recent years that you have stopped doing in order to 96 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: make life work better? Yeah? 97 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I mean, I think if we 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: zoom out big picture, you know, the calendar and time 99 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: is always a big pain point for people. I mean, 100 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: you know that you help people autit their time all, 101 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: you know, on the regular. So I think that I've 102 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: really made a conscious practice of regarding any inbound invitations 103 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: I get, you know, through my work, I get a 104 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: lot of invitations to things. I'm always looking at it 105 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: with a lens of do I really want to do this? 106 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: Is this values consistent? Is this something that makes me 107 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: feel sort of grumpy and resentful? Or do I feel 108 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: joyful and excited about it? So I've really this is 109 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: kind of a longer answer, but like over a greater 110 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: body of time, maybe five to ten years, really worked 111 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: on listening to that gut reaction so that I can 112 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: easily just say no to the stuff immediately for things 113 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: that I don't want to do, because I think it 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: just people often struggle with saying no to things or 115 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: declining things. And one thing I've realized and a practice 116 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: I put into place a long time ago, was what 117 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: I call a graceful decline, where I just say no, 118 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: thank you, I can't make it, and I don't try 119 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: to make excuses. And I think doing more of that, 120 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: and so, you know, saying no to things that I 121 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: really don't want to do has created a lot more 122 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: space in my life. 123 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't you think people do that. 124 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: That they struggle to do that? I think it's because 125 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: what I've found in the years of talking to people 126 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: about it is people want they don't want to hurt 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: other people's feelings, or they don't want to lie. That's 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: usually the thing. They don't want to have to make 129 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: up an excuse. And so that's why I say, just 130 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: don't make up an excuse, just decline gracefully, and that's it. 131 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: And I find that that works really really well. People 132 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: don't usually come back and say, well, why aren't you 133 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: going to come to my thing, and. 134 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: Earth has yet to crash into the sun as a 135 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: result as well. All as well, all as well for 136 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: share All right, Well, We're going to take a quick 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: ad break and then I will be back with more 138 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: from Christine co. Well, I am back talking with Christine 139 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: Coe as the host if You Edit Your Life podcast, 140 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: along with numerous other projects. So Christine, let's talk a 141 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: little bit about planning, because I know that how you 142 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: approach planning might be helpful for some people who are 143 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: listening to this. 144 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Yes, I love planning, and I have like the vision 145 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: of who I would like to be, which might be 146 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: somebody like Sarah Hardung with like a nice notebook and 147 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: some cool pens and whatever else. But I'm not that person. 148 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: My handwriting is terrible, so I do. I want to 149 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: encourage people to always find a system that works best 150 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: for you, otherwise you're never going to use it. So 151 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: I am weed to to do app. I use to dost. 152 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: There's a free version, but I use the paid version 153 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: because I like that you can, you know, link Google 154 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: docs and do a bunch of other things that make 155 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: the mental load of finding what you need much easier. 156 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: So I like to do a kind of plan a 157 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 2: two levels. One is the weekly level, where I do 158 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: a weekly look ahead. It's usually on Friday, but I'll 159 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: check in on it on Sunday just to make sure 160 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: things are holding, in which I kind of look at 161 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: my schedule see how busy it is. That's actually a 162 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: point at which I kind of do my like what 163 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: I call Goldilocks assessment of the week. You know, so 164 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: if things look good, great, If things look a little 165 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: boring or empty, I'll be like, oh, well, I have 166 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: a lot of freedom this week. This would be the 167 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: perfect time to try to schedule a catch up coffee 168 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: with a friend. Or if things are too busy, if 169 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: there's stuff that is really negotiable that I could move, 170 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: I might try to move some things around, because I know, 171 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: for myself and my personal work style, being back to 172 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: back in meetings during days is tough because then I 173 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: don't feel like I can actually do the work to 174 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: do other things. So I'll do the weekly touch point 175 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: on Fridays, and then every morning I pretty much start 176 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: my day looking at that to do list and identifying 177 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: this sort of top priority items for the day. Because 178 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: it's important to note that for me and my particular 179 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: mental load style, and also because I'm running a number 180 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: of different projects and clients at the same time, i 181 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: go super granular with my to do list, and I'll 182 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: break out specific tasks, probably to a level that some 183 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: people might feel as a little too granular, but for me, 184 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: I need that because then I know, okay, I did 185 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: that thing. Now I can move on to the next thing. 186 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: So doing the day look ahead is really important because 187 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: I literally flag in red into dost what are the 188 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: absolute top priority items, so I don't lose track of things, 189 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: you know, in my longer. 190 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: Lif And when you're talking very granular, can you give 191 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: an example of how granular these things are? 192 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean from actually for a podcast example, which 193 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 2: would be good because, as you know, there are a 194 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: lot of moving pieces. I usually do podcast production on Friday, 195 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: but I'll literally break out as separate tasks. You know, 196 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: listen to the sound files, create you know, cover art, 197 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: write show notes, what else is there? You know, schedule 198 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: to megaphone in certain timestamps. I'm like breaking all of 199 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: those little steps, which helps me not forget anything too. 200 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. That's always always helpful. And then 201 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: how do you actually organize your workday? Then I mean, 202 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: because you say you have multiple projects, do you aim 203 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: to do like all for one client on one day. 204 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: Are you always doing a certain kind of work in 205 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: the morning or is there some sort of structure that 206 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: you generally go with. 207 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I definitely am a person who's I call 208 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: them the golden hours. I think that's a phrase that 209 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: you also use. And my golden hours for work and 210 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: creativity and productivity are is definitely the more arning. And 211 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: so late afternoon is when I'm really slumping. I don't 212 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: think that's unusual. So I usually try to round robin 213 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: on my clients in the morning, you know, after I've 214 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: gone out and walk the dog or gone to an 215 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: exercise class and I feel like I'm ready to sit down, 216 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: I'll round robin through those. Pretty much. I need to 217 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: touch everything every day, and then in the later afternoon 218 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: I can work on things like podcast production or writing 219 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: or thing or graphic design, things that still require my 220 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: brain but aren't as intense. So that's usually how I 221 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: batch it, and it kind of all works around meetings 222 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: and things. 223 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and do you have anything that helps you get 224 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: better ideas? 225 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: Better ideas? Can I make a confession and say that 226 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: I have yet to use chat, GPT or any kind 227 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 2: of way. That's all right, I've not. 228 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: I don't really use it either, so I made again 229 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: welcome to the club. 230 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I just feel like I'm, like, you know, 231 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: sitting under a rock. Everybody seems to use it. I 232 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: just haven't. I think I'm kind of an old school 233 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 2: Reave that way. I do think that really good ideas 234 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: come when you're not sitting in front of a computer. 235 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: So oftentimes I'll and the only tricky thing is I 236 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: when I go for walks and things, I like to 237 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: not bring my phone so I can just kind of 238 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: like be free and bilateral and not be listening to 239 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: anything and just be outside in the elements. But I 240 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: do find that I tend to have a lot of 241 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: good ideas popping when I'm walking around. So sometimes, you know, 242 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: I will either literally bring a piece of paper in 243 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: a pen with me on my walk, or if I 244 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: have my phone, I can dictate into it to jot 245 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: those ideas down. 246 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: Okay, So an ideal walk is what we're for you absolutely, 247 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: And then I wonder, you know, we always love to 248 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: hear people's various time management strategies and any general productivity strategies. 249 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's any you've used in the past 250 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: few days that have been helpful to you. Yeah. 251 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: I mean I think that one thing that I've been 252 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: using for a very long time, I haven't needed it 253 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: yet in the last week because i haven't had anything 254 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 2: like terribly onerous. But I'm a big believer in do 255 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: your hardest thing first, because I think that sometimes tasks 256 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: that don't actually take a lot of time but carry 257 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: some emotional burden or some weight or some dread because 258 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: you don't want to lie about saying no to something 259 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: can be a struggle. So I sometimes will do identify, 260 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: like or give myself fifteen minutes at the beginning of 261 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: a workday to just power through some of that you know, 262 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: kind of dreaded albatross adulting type flavor of to do's 263 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 2: that really need to get done and just bust through them, 264 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: and it's so satisfying and relieving for the rest of 265 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: the day. And I really I know this is in 266 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: line with you and Sarah as well, but I really 267 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: do advocate for those check ins and figuring out looking 268 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: at your weekly sort of scope and what you want 269 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: to get done during the day. And not just from 270 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: a word perspective, but also like, you know, what do 271 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: I as human Christine co like person who needs like 272 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: love and nurturing in the world, Like what do I 273 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: need this week? So I think that's another important thing 274 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: that I think. I'm not sure it's as common in 275 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: productivity talks, but I think that we are more productive 276 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: if we also are nurturing all the sides of ourselves. 277 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely I agree with that. Is there anything you have 278 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: tried that hasn't worked for you. 279 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: Tribe that hasn't worked? 280 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: Not lately? 281 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm pretty creature of habit these days with 282 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: the things that I enjoy doing. Yeah, I don't. I 283 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: don't think so though. 284 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Just checking. Christine likes to try things out and they 285 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: often some element to them will will work. 286 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure there's something that I'm forgetting, But I 287 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: mean I will say there's one thing that I think 288 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 2: it's important to know, like to be curious, but also 289 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: kind of know your limits. So I mentioned and earlier 290 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: my handwriting is really bad, and I've always wanted to 291 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: be a journaling type person, and I just I couldn't. 292 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: It was a real block for me, and so I 293 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: started doing a micro journaling practice where I literally write 294 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 2: one or two sentences every day, and that has been 295 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: pretty powerful. But I'm positive that if I had set 296 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: myself up and said, Okay, I'm going to do fifteen 297 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: minutes of journaling every day, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't 298 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: have worked out. So I think part of you know, 299 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: experimenting with things is also knowing where your points of 300 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: falling off are. 301 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that because, yeah, well I set yourself 302 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: up to fail if it's if you know it's not 303 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: a strength, then that apparently writing two sentences, even if 304 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: your handwriting is not wonderful, can still be accomplished. 305 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: Right, mm hmm. 306 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we're going to take one more quick 307 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: ad break and then I'll be back with more from 308 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: Christine co. Well, I am back talking with Christine Coe, 309 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: who is the of the Edit Your Life podcast. You 310 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: also mentioned you had a couple of substack newsletters. Can 311 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about this? 312 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love substack as and you're grade at substack too. 313 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 2: It's been so fun. My first substack is a personal one. 314 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: It's called There's Always a Story. I started that one 315 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: while I've written close to one hundred and fifty posts, 316 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: so maybe it's been two years or something, and that 317 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: one is kind of longer form. I would say it 318 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: can be anything from photo recaps and very food oriented 319 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: to deeper reflection pieces on work and parenting and lifestyle. 320 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: I think it was a real healing place when I 321 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: was transitioning out of a very toxic work situation a 322 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: couple of years ago into being fully on my own 323 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: as a business person. So I love that space. And 324 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: then just recently, like literally in the last month, I 325 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: started a second substack for the Edit Your Life podcast. 326 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: So some may say that was a long time I'm 327 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: kept coming since Edit your Life has been around for 328 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: a decade, but you know, good things take time, and 329 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: that has just been pure fun. You know. It's just 330 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: been kind of taking a micro edit, like a weekly 331 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: edit approach, and then occasionally I'll respond to listener questions 332 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. But it's you know, I'm 333 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: a writer and that space is such a happy one 334 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: for me, so it's been really delightful. 335 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely been fun trying out substack and seeing 336 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: how people are getting their work out to a bigger 337 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: audience through it. So Christine, I always ask my guests 338 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: this question of what is something you've done recently to 339 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: take a day from great to awesome? And normally I 340 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: just let people respond as they will, but I am 341 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: hoping that you will tell us a little bit about 342 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: a recent newsletter you did write, which is about your 343 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: birthday weekend, and afterwards you recounted I believe it was 344 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: fifty two moments of wonderfulness in the course of the 345 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: weekend in this newsletter, So that would definitely take a 346 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: day from great to awesome. Somebody you could talk a 347 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: little bit about that. 348 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it was kind of an unexpected post. I mean, 349 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: I think I had in the back of my mind 350 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: that I might write something about my birthday. That's like 351 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: literally what I wrote as a potential idea for that 352 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: week's newsletter. I just turned fifty two, and my daughter 353 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,719 Speaker 2: came back from college, and my husband and younger daughter Violet, 354 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 2: and the dog of course always around, and it just 355 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: the weekend started. I have the good fortune, or I 356 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 2: had the good fortune this year of having a Sunday 357 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: birthday on a holiday long weekend, so I had a 358 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: little extra time for awesome, and I just kept being 359 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: struck by all of these tiny, little moments, you know, 360 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: from the moment my older daughter came off the Amtrak 361 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: and walked in the house and I could see our 362 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 2: dog's tail wagging furiously in excitement. There were just so 363 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: many little moments of delight like that, and I didn't 364 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: want to forget them, so I just started writing them 365 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: down in a note in my to do app and 366 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 2: then the list kept growing and growing and growing, and 367 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: it just ended up feeling like this really delightful exercise 368 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: of noticing, you know, noticing what was around, noticing all 369 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: these moments where I was feeling people express their care 370 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: for me. And you know, it wasn't extraordinary. We were 371 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: at home that weekend, and I'm intentionally a pretty mellow 372 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: person when it comes to celebrations, so it wasn't like 373 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 2: I wanted some big thing I had asked for dinner. 374 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: I said, I just like snacks, Like snacks are my 375 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: favorite things, so I'd like snacks but with like shrimp cocktail. 376 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 2: That's like all I want. And of course the kids 377 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: made this like beautiful dinner. So I ended up jotting 378 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 2: all these things down, and when I finished the list, 379 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, I think I'll share this to substack 380 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: it was fifty two things and I had turned fifty two, 381 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: So I thought, this is kind of magical. I'm going 382 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: to share this. So I think that exercise of noticing 383 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: is really important because oftentimes we're all so busy and 384 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: it can be hard to just pause and think about 385 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: all those tiny moments that are happening around you. But 386 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: when you do, even if you do it, you know, 387 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: it would be a fun exercise to do on a 388 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 2: Saturday or a Sunday to just, you know, drap little 389 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: moments down as you're experiencing your day and then look 390 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 2: at them at the end of the day and see 391 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: how that shook out. I think that would be a 392 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: fun exercise. 393 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: Well, and don't you think that perhaps by having like 394 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: once you started, I mean, you weren't necessarily going into 395 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: this intending to be like, Okay, I'm going to write 396 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: down when my dog's tail is wagging. But when you 397 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: started and then you knew you were going to keep 398 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: going with this, do you think that led you to 399 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: see more of them than you might sure otherwise. 400 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I had a couple of things that happened 401 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: where I realized hadn't I had just been kind of 402 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: in the moment I was like, oh, I should write 403 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: those down. Those were like, those are like really wonderful, 404 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 2: joyful things. 405 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, it does like direct like just give us 406 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: one or two of them. 407 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I just think like anything from okay. So 408 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: one example was earlier in the week. You know, I 409 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 2: told you about the idea. I just wanted snacks for 410 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: dinner and this shrim cocktail, and just a couple of 411 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 2: days before the weekend, some of our best friends on Earth, 412 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 2: who I love dearly, they live in the UK. They 413 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: happened to be in town and they said, Hey, is 414 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: there any chance we could bring birthday burritos by? And 415 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: they said, we literally were listening to your podcast and 416 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: you talked about how much you love burritos. I was like, 417 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: that is one that's really kind, like what a way 418 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: to be seen, and two that would just be blow 419 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: my mind amazing to actually see you on my birthday. 420 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: This is how much I love these people. And the 421 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: moment that I hadn't even thought about or wouldn't have 422 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: thought about writing down except I knew I was now 423 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 2: writing things down, was the moment when I stepped out 424 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: the door. I was actually trying to get some fresh air, 425 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: because my allergies had gotten kind of off the rails 426 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 2: and I was sneezing a lot, so I just stuck 427 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: my hat out the front door. And then that moment 428 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: when I saw their car pull up, and I started 429 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: jumping up and down like a little kid, and I, 430 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of wrote that down in my 431 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: list because I thought, wow, like a what a great 432 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 2: thing to feel that excited to see somebody, and then 433 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: to have somebody see how excited you are to see them. 434 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: It was kind of like a dual mood boost. 435 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: I love it, and I love Christine that you didn't 436 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: decide to make the fact that your allergies were acting 437 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: up as like, oh life is terrible, my birthday weekend 438 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: is ruined. 439 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, I was complaining a little bit about the allergies. 440 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 2: But you know, be that as it may. This is life, right, 441 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: this is life. 442 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Well, I know the birthday is past, but 443 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: what are you looking forward to right now? Well? 444 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: So I am. I mean many things, I guess, but 445 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 2: I think one thing that has been so fascinating in 446 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: the past year is I have become a person who 447 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: is fascinated about earth, specifically, you know, gardening, medicinal herbs 448 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: and so I have been exploring and I just recently 449 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 2: went to actually one of my podcast listeners DMed me 450 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 2: because they heard about some you know, free herbalist seminar 451 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: that was happening online. And I went to a few 452 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: classes and it was amazing and the people were just 453 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: the nicest. So one of the things I've been delighting 454 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: in is now being a person who thinks about the seasons. 455 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 2: And I live in the Boston area, so I actually 456 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: have four seasons, but thinks about the seasons in terms 457 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 2: of planning my gardening plans. So I have a very 458 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: nerdy Google doc and I was just working on it recently, 459 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: you know, with plans for the fall of this year, 460 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: some stuff to do in the dead of winter, things 461 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: to do in the spring. So it's been very satisfying. 462 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: It's a great hobby should anybody wish to pursue something different. 463 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: Gardening is a great way to take any day from 464 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: great to ask them, well, where can people find you? 465 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: My general website is christineco dot com, but the most 466 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: the places where I'm most active are the ed of 467 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: your Life podcast, so you can find that wherever you 468 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: subscribe or sub stack if you just find me there 469 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: you'll there's always a story and edit your life wonderful. 470 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: Well, please go check that out everyone. Christine, thank you 471 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. 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