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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where any company

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Speaker 1: that's making money off of Pride while canceling DEI policies

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Speaker 1: is dead to us. It's Monday, June second, Happy Pride

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Speaker 1: Month slices. On today's show, we'll be chatting with former

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Speaker 1: LPGA pro and Quiet Please podcast co host Mel Reid

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Speaker 1: about her irish goodbye to professional golf, coming out because

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Speaker 1: plus depleted rosters, a debut worthy of a fine wine.

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Speaker 1: And if I give you this sign, it's time to

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Speaker 1: steal home baby. It's all coming up right after this

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Speaker 1: welcome back slices. Here's what you need to know today.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with softball, where the semi finals of the

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Speaker 1: Women's College World Series are set. The number six Texas

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Speaker 1: Longhorns were the first team to clinch a spot, upsetting

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Speaker 1: previous appearances in the tournament in twenty twenty two and

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Speaker 1: the best of three finals. Texas Tech, in its World

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Speaker 1: But while Texas Tech is making the program's first tournament

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Speaker 1: familiar territory for Red Raiders star pitcher Nijerie Kennedy, who

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Speaker 1: with the university's nil collective. Kennedy allowed just four hits

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. Sunday afternoon's elimination game between Tennessee

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Speaker 1: had a couple lengthy video reviews, one that upheld a

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Speaker 1: In the end, Tennessee senior Laura Meeler hit her second

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Speaker 1: to beat UCLA five to four. In extras on the

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Speaker 1: play by play call, Beth Mowens mentioned that Meeler transferred

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Speaker 1: from Middle Tennessee State because she wanted a chance to

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Speaker 1: saved the Bowls season Tennessee advances. By the way, if

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Speaker 1: Appendix G today, we'll link to a USA Today story

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Speaker 1: detailing the call. In our show notes. The final game

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Speaker 1: Sunday night saw the four time defending champion Oklahoma Sooners

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Speaker 1: Sooners head to the Semis for a ninth straight year

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Speaker 1: The US women's national team defeated China three to nil

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Speaker 1: little history was also made in the win when Low

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Speaker 1: Next up for the US women's national team as a

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Speaker 1: and friend of the Show Becky sowerbrun to Golf and

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Speaker 1: the US Open. Maya Stark is your Winner at Aaron Hills.

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Speaker 1: The twenty five year old, who represented Sweden at the

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Speaker 1: Among the one hundred and fifty six golfers in the

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Speaker 1: Tally is quote the California prodigy who racks up junior wins,

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Speaker 1: story on Tally by Brody Miller, who writes about the

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Speaker 1: pressure put on young women in golf to be quote

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Speaker 1: in which she said, quote, Since I was twelve as

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Speaker 1: End quote. It's a really interesting piece. We'll link to

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Speaker 1: it in our show notes to the WNBA, where we've

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Speaker 1: an eye on veteran Golden State Valkyries guard Tiffany Hayes

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Speaker 1: Has anyone asked the WNBA for comment? More WNBA We

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Speaker 1: NBA can celebrate moments like that too. Still more hoops.

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Speaker 1: A hand full of Sunday games kicked off Commissioner's Cup

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Speaker 4: Hi, Mel, how you doing. I actually thought my word

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Speaker 4: So thank you. Wikipedia says, what do you want to

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Speaker 4: who literally don't care. I have a gay brother. So

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00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 4: I came out because I literally had a contract ripped

433
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 4: up in front of me when I introduced my partner

434
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 4: to a company. They literally lived up in my face.

435
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 4: And at the time, I was skin I had no money,

436
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 4: like I needed that contract. And my manager at the

437
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 4: time kind of rang me and was like, you know

438
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 4: swear on this podcast, right, oh yeah, hell yeah. Yeah.

439
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 4: She was like what the did you do? And I

440
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 4: was like, I literally introduced like my girlfriend at the time,

441
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: and she was like, well, don't do that because you

442
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 4: just lost the contract. And I was like, well for

443
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 4: you basically.

444
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: Right, So wait I need to So you were in

445
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: a room with a person an your girlfriend at the time,

446
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: and then they literally took a piece of paper you

447
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: were about to sign and they tore it in your face.

448
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, what the fuck. We went to dinner, going

449
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 4: to the bathroom and they were asking my girlfriend, like,

450
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 4: do the man have a boyfriend? And she was like no,

451
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 4: And then I obviously had a couple of drinks and

452
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 4: I just I'm so unfiltered it anyway, and I just

453
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 4: didn't like the way they kept when I was back,

454
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 4: they kept asking the question. I thought, fuck this, So

455
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 4: when yeah, my boyfriend's right here, and I just she

456
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: said it like that, thinking it would go down really well,

457
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 4: and it just went down like a shit sandwich. So

458
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 4: but let's ask us, Oh god, probably twenty fourteen or fifteen.

459
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Speaker 1: That's insane to me, Yeah, do you want to name

460
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: these people? And can we call them?

461
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 4: It's behalf I.

462
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: Mean bad enough if behind the scenes a company is

463
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: like I don't think we want to go in that direction.

464
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: But in front of you, and yeah, it was meeting her.

465
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 4: It was a blessing in a way, because I don't

466
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 4: want to be aligned with a company like that. Of

467
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: course they don't. They don't, we don't represent the same values.

468
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: It's actually a business exchange. And I hate that I

469
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: did that for a lot of my career because that

470
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 4: was the only opportunity that women had, and I hated

471
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 4: it from day one. I was like, I don't want

472
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 4: to represent this company, but I'm going to have to,

473
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 4: and so one of my friends encouraged me to kind

474
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: of just like, hey, why don't you You're so open

475
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 4: about it, like you don't care, you've got thicked skin.

476
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: I think it would be really good, and I was

477
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 4: a little bit nervous, obviously, but at the end of

478
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 4: the day, it's who is a part of me, A

479
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 4: big part of me and my life. I'm certainly not

480
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: ashamed of it, and I think that there should be

481
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: more representation in the space, especially at that time, because

482
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 4: you know I I didn't have represent growing up, and

483
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: so I kind of was very you know, I kept

484
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: myself very you know, my private life quite private to

485
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: start with, and it shouldn't be like that if you

486
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 4: don't feel like you want to be like that, if

487
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 4: that makes sense. So I just found it very important

488
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 4: and look, it's it's done me a world of good

489
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 4: and now I represent myself with companies that align with

490
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 4: my values. I have a sick agent in Cassette who

491
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: has literally changed my life and has just been incredible

492
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: at giving me like the confidence to and the branding

493
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 4: in that sense. And so it's funny, like I was

494
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: at the lowest of lows and then all of a sudden,

495
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: you kind of take this step into the unknown. And

496
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 4: it's funny what then gets attracted to you? And I

497
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 4: know that sounds so cheesy and no cliche, but it's

498
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 4: so true, Like once you come to people get more

499
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: comfortable around you, it's weird, and then all this thing

500
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 4: just starts attracting to you. And yeah, just in a

501
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: much better space obviously now, like an incredible space.

502
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: And I met your agent, Cassette at the Deep Blue

503
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: Sports conference. She obviously with Always Alpha and Alison Felix

504
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: and was on a panel there as well. But I

505
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: was listening to speak on that panel and I jotted

506
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: down your name almost immediately as someone I wanted to

507
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: have on the show. It was just thinking that you

508
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: seem like the kind of person who might actually be

509
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: able to enact change in the LPGA to help usher

510
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: women's golf into more modern times. We've talked about it

511
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: on the show. We had Tisha allin on and it

512
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: just seems clear to me that there are things you

513
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: can do to honor the traditions of a sport while

514
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: also recognizing that it doesn't serve women and the current

515
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: world anymore to be so tightly connected to traditions that

516
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: fly in the face of what we all want to

517
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: stand for. And they're being left behind as this women's

518
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: sports revolution is happening because they aren't willing to stand

519
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: for anything besides golf. And I wonder what you would

520
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: like to see change if you were put in charge?

521
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Speaker 4: Oh go, where do I start? Listen. I just want

522
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 4: to kind of say, like, I feel like the LPGA,

523
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 4: with the resources that they have, we're not the Opgasol right, Like,

524
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 4: we don't have a billion to TV deal. And I

525
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 4: think being on the board for a couple of years

526
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 4: it opened my eyes to actually, we do do a

527
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 4: pretty decent job with the resources and the help that

528
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: we have, like the way that we get supported, we do,

529
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 4: we do a pretty good job. But I feel like

530
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 4: I feel like in women's sport it's changed, but I

531
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 4: feel like golf, you're right, is kind of getting stuck

532
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 4: in the mud behind. And it's so frustrating for me

533
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: because I feel like women's golf, especially we're almost too

534
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: scared to make a mistake, that we're not brave enough

535
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: to kind of leap into the unknown. And I'm like

536
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: they're almost too scared to lose something, and I'm like,

537
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 4: but we're already losing, Like let's try something new, Like

538
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 4: let's get why don't we have like free admission for

539
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 4: two years, Like we need to get people through the gate.

540
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 4: That's number one. Like we need to do better job

541
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 4: at marketing. That's number two. Like I think broadcasts needs

542
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: a revamp, like it's it shouldn't be burtoned ties and shirts,

543
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 4: like it needs to be more chilled. Like the WNBA

544
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: do a great job at that they have three mates

545
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 4: on the board, on the panel and the you know,

546
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 4: shooting the ship, like we have that in golf, but

547
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 4: that we're not allowed to express that because it's very like, well,

548
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: this is how you have to act and you've got

549
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 4: to do this. And so I'm I feel like I'm

550
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: I'm even in the short space that I've been in broadcasts,

551
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 4: like why I do try and get as much of

552
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 4: my personality within reason as possible. I obviously can't say

553
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 4: gone air, but I would like to. But yeah, I

554
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: mean there's so many things that I think we're such

555
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 4: a global tour. We have so many unreal stories that

556
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 4: are not being told. But we first of all need

557
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 4: to get people through the gate, like when you turn.

558
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 4: We need better TV, like we need way more TV

559
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 4: than we have. We need weigh more cameras point of view,

560
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: We need it to be an event, like we want

561
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 4: people to go there because it's a sick event, like

562
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 4: live music there and way more chill like local vendors,

563
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 4: like local radios that like, we need more of a

564
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: like an event and entertainment vibe every single event.

565
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: It's interesting you talk about being afraid to make a mistake,

566
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: because I've seen both sides of that. So I spend

567
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: about an hour after the espnW summit in New York,

568
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: which was a week after the Deep Blue One, talking

569
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: to a woman who had been hired by the LPGA

570
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: for the first in house marketing team they've ever had.

571
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: She just talked about how it feels like they're on

572
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: the one hand saying we want new ideas, we want

573
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: to change, and on the other hand, when you come

574
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: up with those ideas, they don't actually enact them for

575
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: fear to your point of making a mistake. On the

576
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: other hand, they took a swing on something like having

577
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: a merch collab with Barstool Sports that makes zero sense

578
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: to me and is very clearly a mistake, but they

579
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: were willing to take a swing on no pun intended.

580
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: I am wondering who's advising them, because if you're so

581
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: afraid of stepping in it and then you literally do

582
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: the thing that is the most obvious to any woman

583
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: sports fan not to do, who the hell's in charge

584
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: over there? I take some swings on good shit and

585
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: don't partner with.

586
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: Barstool dity son on my wife. My wife is smart, ironic,

587
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: like I do follow what barstall and I'm like, I've

588
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: bought a couple of things and she literally is that

589
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: Carli hates it. She's like, dude, what the so Like,

590
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 4: obviously Carli's big sports person, and she's like, no, absolutely not.

591
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, I know, I don't know. I think that

592
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: there's been a few ideas that they brought to the

593
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: board and we were just like, absolutely not, and they

594
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 4: did them anyway, and it's just like, come on, guys, like,

595
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, listen, I'm not I understand that, like

596
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: I'm The thing is that we have to understand as well, right,

597
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: And this is a little bit controversial to say, but

598
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to say it because I believe it. We're

599
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: a member's own tour, so we have the majority vote

600
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: on the board. Okay, I was on the board for

601
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: two years. Dude, I haven't got a fucking clue anything

602
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 4: about business. I haven't really got a clue about marketing.

603
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: But I'm making these massive decisions and I'm like, I'm

604
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: obviously going to go off a motion because I'm a player,

605
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: you know. So we've got these seven players in there

606
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: that are all emotion and then you've got these business

607
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: you know, men and women who actually know what they're doing,

608
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 4: and we're taking the lead. And I'm like, that's not

609
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: get rid of us. We should have like a player union.

610
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're both a little bit of both. I think

611
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: it's been great, and over the course of this podcast,

612
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of current or retired players

613
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: that want to have a better connection to ownership in

614
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: front office so that they at least understand why decisions

615
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: are being made. And then I think it's really necessary

616
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: for ownership in front office to hear from players so

617
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: they make better decisions that center to serve the players.

618
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: So I think both is great, But I get.

619
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: Your point point.

620
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: Make sure people who are doing the research and understand

621
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: the metrics and everything else are making.

622
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 4: These exactly exactly. And so I think that, you know,

623
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: the LPGA, we do have a kind of a little

624
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: bit of staleness in there which I think we need

625
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: to revam. Like I think we've started to do a

626
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 4: little bit of our social media, but I mean we're

627
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: so far behind still, like it's going to take a while.

628
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: It's going to take a while. I think it's definitely

629
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: moving in the right direction now with some of the

630
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 4: people that we've hired, but it's a long road, but

631
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: we'll see.

632
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: New Commissioner Craig Kessler has just been announced. What do

633
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: you know about him or do you have hopes for

634
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: the idea just a new error might just naturally ask

635
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: and demand for change.

636
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard some really good things about him. He

637
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: did a great job at Top Golf. I think it

638
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 4: was I so a few of my friends. So I

639
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: met Carl when she worked at the PGA America, and

640
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: so I know a bunch of friends that kind of

641
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 4: worked with him, said very high highly of him. Carli

642
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: actually went to a speaking engagement with him. He was speaking,

643
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 4: she said that he hild the room, which for Carli

644
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 4: to say that means that he must have been pretty impressive,

645
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: and so listen, I'm very hopeful for him. Like I said,

646
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,239
Speaker 4: everything I've heard about him is very positive. You know,

647
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: hiring is kind of the easy part. It's now like

648
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 4: what kind of strategy is he going to have to

649
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 4: uplift the LPGA to where it needs to be in

650
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: the next kind of five ten years. So yeah, I'm

651
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 4: always willing to give him. We're gonna obviously give him

652
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 4: a massive chance. I think he's the change that we need.

653
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: He's young, he's obviously very driven, he's hungry, and he's

654
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: very charismatic for what I'm hearing, and I think that

655
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: that's all the ingredients that we need for someone to

656
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 4: lead us.

657
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Sure, we saw Nelly Korda last year have this unreal

658
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: run that brought a ton of attention to her. It

659
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: really helped the tour to have one player, particularly an

660
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: American player, who was dominant enough for people to say, oh,

661
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: I know that name, Okay, now I want to go

662
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: watch I've been hearing about this person. That's tough in golf.

663
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: To your point, so many different people are winning. It's

664
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: very international, so some of them are not native English speakers.

665
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: You're trying to sell folks on a new name every week.

666
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: The Tiger Woods effect, the Nelly Quarter effect, is really

667
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: what golf can benefit from. It is such a mental game, though,

668
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: So does it feel like it's really not about who's

669
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: the best golfer on any given year, it's who can

670
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: mentally show up event after event and be consistent enough

671
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: to put up the right score.

672
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

673
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 4: I think it's a bit of both for sure. I

674
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 4: think Nellie is getting a lot more comfortable with her

675
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: life outside of golf. She's obviously getting a lot more

676
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: attention and doing like sports citistraining went to Macgarla. So

677
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 4: I think she's eccessing comfortable for Nelly, like she's not

678
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 4: that comfortable in that space, Like she kind of wants

679
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: to keep her head down play golf. She's kind of

680
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: opposite to Jess, her sister, in that sense. So I

681
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: think she's definitely finding her feet still in that kind

682
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 4: of setting. But she I mean a lot of people

683
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: talk about Geno Titsico being like the best player in

684
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: the world, and I would not disagree, But for me,

685
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: the whole package is Nelly and then I've got to

686
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: give up for my homegirl, Charlie Hall. So she's stopped

687
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: ripping darts now, so she's in a much healthier place.

688
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: I saw you interviewing her on the course recently. But

689
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: she is someone we want to have on the show.

690
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: I am not a fan of cigarettes, but the idea

691
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: that she's just ripping darts, and not only that but

692
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: just taking them from spectators as she's walking the course,

693
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: she's siggs to smoke during I mean, normally you wouldn't

694
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: imagine you'd need to make a rule against smoking a

695
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: cigarette mid round because who's doing it? But she is.

696
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, she stopped ripping darts now though, So she was

697
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: a vapor and then she found she thought that she

698
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: found out vapiing was bad, so then she went to

699
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: ripping darts because that's not healthier. Yeah, not good either,

700
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 4: And then now she's ripping and now she's not ripping darts,

701
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: but she's I don't know what she's so, I don't

702
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: know what she's doing, but she's one of my favorite people.

703
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: I've known Charlie since she was like thirteen. Nothing that

704
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: comes out of her mouth surprises me. We need one

705
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: hundred percent. She's she's incredible. She's so good for the game.

706
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 4: I actually think she can move the needle more than

707
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 4: Nelly with her personality, So.

708
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: Just got to get some of those scores where people

709
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: need to pay attention in exactly she just yeah, she's

710
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: she's so close to really, really, really really breaking through.

711
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's any amount of time she

712
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 4: wins a major and she would be an unbelievable winner,

713
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: like it would be god knows what she would do.

714
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about the emotional side of golf,

715
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: the mental side of golf, and what do you have

716
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: to bring to the course every single day to consistently

717
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: get those scores. And in twenty twelve, you mentioned earlier

718
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: in the interview that you thought about retiring. Then your

719
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: mom passed away tragically in a car accident, and it

720
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: had a really profound effect on your golf career and

721
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: you as a person.

722
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: You talked about.

723
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: Sort of losing a little control, getting in with a

724
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: partying crowd, rebelling a little bit, and acting out, And

725
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: if you're willing to talk about it, I wonder if

726
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: you could take us back to that time, how did

727
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: you find your way out of that?

728
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I think that grief is a

729
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 4: funny thing. I think it's so individual and the way

730
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: that it happened like they were watching me. My parents

731
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: used to watch me at pretty much every golf tournament,

732
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: and it was on the way back to the hotel.

733
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 4: So I think for me, the problem is like when

734
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: you're a professional athlete and I was obviously pretty highly

735
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: ranked to the time, you're getting called left right and

736
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 4: center right. So everyone has an agenda, you know, even

737
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: though they mean, well, everyone has an agenda because you know,

738
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: I needed to play this tournament because they had paid

739
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: me all they I need to do this for a

740
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: sponsor if I haven't forbid, but if I have any

741
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 4: advice or anyone is just like just take him in

742
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 4: it and just like figure out, like what is best

743
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 4: for you. I think that I actually, you know, stories

744
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: get exaggerated. I really did, honestly try my best to

745
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 4: kind of navigate both sides of like being a professional

746
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: athlete and also like trying to grieve my mother. So

747
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: I got out of it because my remember, my best

748
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 4: my best friend, she's like a sister to me. Brand

749
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 4: she called me up one day and she was like,

750
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: all right enough, she was like, you're being a dick.

751
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: You're just doing everything half half like I we're going

752
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 4: to sort this out, Like just come up and see

753
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 4: me and we're gonna go sort it out. And she

754
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: lived in Scotland at the time and introduced me to

755
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 4: a couple of people, like a couple of people that

756
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 4: I actually brought in onto my team. And that was

757
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 4: the biggest game changer. It was actually somebody not forcing

758
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: me to get over the grief or forcing me to

759
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: talk through the grief. They were just allowing me to grieve.

760
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: It's probably the best way I could explain it. And

761
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: I just thought, right, I'm not going to be that

762
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: person that grief takes over you so much that ruined

763
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 4: your life. Like if this has happened to me, whether

764
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 4: I like it or not, I'm going to use it

765
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: as a superpower, Like I'm going to make this my superpower,

766
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: and everything I do from now on, obviously I'm going

767
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: to have dips some human being, but like everything I

768
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 4: do for now on is because of this superpower. And

769
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 4: that's honestly what it was. And I truly believed that

770
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: I felt like it gave me more grit, it gave

771
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: me more fight, It made me a better human being,

772
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: if I'm honest, more understanding human being, and so I

773
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: have such a horrific thing that would never wish on

774
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: anybody I saw, you know, like I never would have

775
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: moved to America if my mum was still alive, because

776
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 4: we were so close as a family. But I felt,

777
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: you know, I needed to make that change and I

778
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: needed to grow apart separately, and so I never would

779
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 4: have met Carli, never would have had Kai, And so

780
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 4: everything kind of happens. You know, you can take it

781
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: how you want, but it moved me and direct actions

782
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 4: that I chose the right path. In the end. There

783
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 4: was a time there where I was just being a

784
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: bit of you know, I just wanted to forget everything,

785
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: but I wasn't gonna let it beat me. So I've

786
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: got to give credit to kind of my best mate

787
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: for that.

788
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the youngest of seven by eleven years, so

789
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: your years sibling is eleven years older than you.

790
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have like a sixty I have like a

791
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 4: seven year old sister.

792
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you're like a mistake.

793
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: Mistake. I was a hammock. There was a there was

794
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: Shagan and a hammock. Yeah, and a hammock broke and

795
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: very awkward. Yeah, it broke. My dad likes to tell

796
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 4: me a lot when he's strong. Then I had to

797
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: do with who you became.

798
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: But I'm curious. I'm curious because being the baby of

799
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: the family then you lost your mom so much younger

800
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: than your siblings, how did that affect your relationship with

801
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: them or how you all dealt with the grieving.

802
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 4: It's funny really, because I felt like I'm only really

803
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 4: close with three of them. I felt like they all

804
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 4: had their own families, and so I felt like all

805
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 4: the way through my life, like when I was, you know,

806
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 4: a baby, they were teenagers. When I was a teenager,

807
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 4: they were in college. When I got to college years,

808
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 4: they were having kids, and so I kind of feel

809
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: like I've always skipped a step, so a lot of it.

810
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: I kind of felt like I was not like an

811
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: only child, but they were doing things and I was

812
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: trying to constantly catch up. Really, but I feel like

813
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: now now that I've got Kai and I'm married, we're

814
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: kind of on the same space again, So we're closer

815
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: now than we ever have. I feel, you know, it's

816
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: just at that age now we're kind of all the similar. Yeah,

817
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: it was interesting. I felt my brother and sisters are

818
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 4: all very different. But I felt that I kind of

819
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: took on a lot of the grief and tried to

820
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: make sure that they were okay because I didn't have

821
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 4: any responsibility. I wanted to make sure my dad was good.

822
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 4: I actually moved back in with my dad for a

823
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: couple of years just to make sure he was solid.

824
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 4: And then I was kind of like I am the

825
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: younger one, but I felt like I was the older

826
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: one at the time because I was trying to do

827
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 4: all I could to make sure that they were okay,

828
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: so that they were okay around the kids. I guess

829
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just that's just the responsibility I took.

830
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: I took on a lot of emotion, and now I

831
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: wanted to do that, like I'm that person. I would

832
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: rather sacrifice my kind of mental health and make sure

833
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: they were good. And so I felt like I did

834
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 4: certainly take on that role, which I think is another

835
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: reason I needed to go to America. I was to

836
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 4: just breathe a little bit.

837
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: Get back to the path.

838
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like I did feel like I give

839
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: up a few years just to make sure everyone was okay,

840
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 4: but I was more than that was my choice. And

841
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: I'm very grateful to do it yet one hundredcent.

842
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: So now you have this new path in front of

843
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: you that's not playing broadcasting, podcasting, being a mom. I

844
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: think in the past you've done a clothing line and

845
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: a nonprofit. Like, what else is there ahead of mel Reed?

846
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: Oh? Lots of things. Really, I really want to host

847
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: an LPGA event. I really want to run. I want

848
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: to put my money where my mouth is and run

849
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: like a.

850
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: Sick lpg money where your mouth exactly. Yeah, I'll just

851
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: argue and founder exactly, get all the people on board

852
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: for that, exactly.

853
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 4: I love doing the panel stuff. I think it's really

854
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: important that women uplift other women, and especially with the

855
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: movement of women's spot right now, it's just a really

856
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: powerful group to be among. I love doing that kind

857
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 4: of stuff. I love doing broadcasting. I'm loving the podcast

858
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: with Kira. So yeah, I don't know. I kind of

859
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: still fund on my feet in the broadcast space. Obviously,

860
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 4: I'm so new to it, but I'm hoping that that

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Speaker 4: will kind of lead into other things and hopefully get

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Speaker 4: more eyes on women's golf. So yeah, I guess I'm

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Speaker 4: just kind of figuring out in this space. What. I'm

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Speaker 4: kind of gonna lean towards it the minute. I'm leaning

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Speaker 4: towards everything, So I'm just doing It's a whole new challenge. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: a whole new challenge, right, And so I still have

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Speaker 4: that athlete mentality of like I want to be the best,

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Speaker 4: want to be the best. Like, yeah, it's frustrating, but

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Speaker 4: it's great because I'm so driven to make change and

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Speaker 4: it's something that's extremely important to me. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: enjoying this new spaceman and this new way life and

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Speaker 4: it's really exciting.

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Speaker 1: Well, I, like I said, I believe in you to

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Speaker 1: help make some change. So I look forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: where you put your voice. I think the LPGA has

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Speaker 1: a product that could really be great if it's just

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Speaker 1: gets a little braver. It's all edgier. So thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for giving me some time.

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Speaker 4: No, I appreciate it. Thanks for honestly, thank you so

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Speaker 4: much for having me on easy anytime, anytime. I like

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Speaker 4: talking so did.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Mel for taking the time and chatting

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Speaker 1: with us. We have to take another break when we

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Speaker 1: come back.

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Speaker 4: I actra surprised they're wearing pants.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, slices. Let's tie a bow. On the one

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Speaker 1: hundredth annual Scripts Spelling Bee, which is a sport in

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Speaker 1: our book. Last year's runner up, Faisan Saki won this

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Speaker 1: year's B by correctly spelling a clerci small.

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Speaker 5: Let's hear it a E C L A I R

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Speaker 5: C I S S E M E n T if

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Speaker 5: that is correct.

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Speaker 1: Zaki became just the fifth runner up in a century

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Speaker 1: and the first since two thousand and one to come

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Speaker 1: back and win a later B. His enthusiasm and his

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Speaker 1: carefree approach nearly cost him the title, but after he won,

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Speaker 1: he said, quote, I decided to have fun with this

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Speaker 1: B and I did well, and here I am end quote,

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Speaker 1: sort of following the footsteps of Simone Biles and USA

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Speaker 1: Gymnastics in Paris. Stop stressing, just have fun and let

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Speaker 1: the winds come. You love to see it. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we got a couple more slices who shared the word

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Speaker 1: they went out on as a kid. Amanda Valo went

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Speaker 1: out on ghost, she forgot the H and Jane Burns

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Speaker 1: got burned by roommate. But Burns quote redemption came with

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Speaker 1: a victory in the Drake Journalism School Spelling Bee, and

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Speaker 1: you bet I still have that little trophy. End quote, Jane,

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Speaker 1: I want you to know I won the annual Tutoring

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Speaker 1: Chicago Celebrity Benefit Spelling B two years ago, and my

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Speaker 1: little B trophy is very prominently displayed and always will be.

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Speaker 1: I really needed that after that whole aerial up in

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Speaker 1: junior high. Oh and the trophy also came with a

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Speaker 1: mug that reads I'm silently judging your spelling, which I love.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening slices, but we want you

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Speaker 1: to get in the game every day too. So here's

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Speaker 1: day to do it. Why is that, Well, after today,

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Speaker 1: it won't be a pre order, It'll just be an

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Speaker 1: order because it comes out tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: You guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited tonight. I'm actually having a fun launch

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Speaker 1: event at my local bookstore, Volumes Book Cafe. And if

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Speaker 1: there's another Chicago fave, the fantastically feminist Women and Children

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Speaker 1: First Bookstore. Fun fact that store actually inspired the bookstore

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Speaker 1: on Portlandia called Women and Women First. You can order

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Speaker 1: So go support them and me we'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: from you, so hit us up on email good game

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Speaker 1: eight seven two two oh four fifty seventy, and don't

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Speaker 1: forget to subscribe, rate and review. It's easy slices. Watch

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Speaker 1: current softball players watching the NCAA Championship game from forty

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Speaker 1: three years ago ten out of ten home runs review.

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Speaker 1: Ahead of this year's Women's College World Series, NCUBLEA Softball

944
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Speaker 1: put out a very fun video of current players watching

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Speaker 1: video of the first ever nc DOUBLEA Championship softball game

946
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Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty two. UCLA won that game defeating

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Speaker 1: Fresno State to nothing. But the biggest takeaway was that

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Speaker 1: players in that era didn't wear helmets, and that's not

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Speaker 1: the only thing that's changed. Take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty two NCAA Division One Women's Softball Championship.

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Speaker 4: This is so retro.

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Speaker 1: I actually love it. I've seen a lot of old

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Speaker 1: UCLA games. I don't think I've seen this Fresno State.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, my mom played for them.

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Speaker 2: Extra surprised they're wearing pants.

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Speaker 4: I know, I was kind of expecting shorts.

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Speaker 1: I like the headband. Wait, this is the game? Yeah, way,

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Speaker 1: where's her helmet? Did don't wear helmets? No helmets is insane?

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Speaker 4: Is that Debbie Doom on the mound?

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Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah? I loved it. Oh wow, I

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Speaker 1: mean the hair down is definitely like a winning choice.

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Speaker 4: The uniforms I'm low Keychael.

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Speaker 1: We'll link to the full highlight video in the show notes,

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Speaker 1: and we really recommend you watch it. It's super fun.

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Speaker 1: Now it's your turn rate and review, y'all. Thanks for listening,

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Speaker 1: See you tomorrow. Good game, Mel, good game. Queer community.

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