Speaker 1: Welcome to a special edition of the Not Dunk Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Leaos today I'm joined by a legend from the
Speaker 1: Australian and international basketball world. He's a four time Olympian,
Speaker 1: had two stints in the NBA, once playing for the
Speaker 1: Minnesota Timberwolves and later for the San Antonio Spurs. He
Speaker 1: spent most of his professional career playing in Australia's Premier League,
Speaker 1: the NBL, winning the championship with the Cidney Kings in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. And he joins me from his
Speaker 1: home in Sydney via zoom. He is Shane the Hammer Heel. Shane,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me.
Speaker 2: What an introduction. Thanks and nice to be able to
Speaker 2: talk to.
Speaker 1: Who's Yeah, well that's what we're here for to talk
Speaker 1: about who's for? First off, how is the situation there
Speaker 1: in Sydney. You're allowed outside, you are allowed to mingle.
Speaker 1: I know it's been a little bit up and down
Speaker 1: there in Australia, but what's the situation currently in Sydney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've been very very fortunate, had any
Speaker 3: cases for a handful of days now in New South Wales,
Speaker 3: so you know, wearing masks and those sort of things,
Speaker 3: and you know, having to check in when you go
Speaker 3: and get a coffee or something a week. So all
Speaker 3: of that tracing's big time here in Australia, but we're
Speaker 3: very fortunate to compare to the rest.
Speaker 1: Of the world, especially where I am here in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: It's we're a long way away from that. But hopefully
Speaker 1: today is the start of something new. But anyway, we're
Speaker 1: here to talk basketball, So let's talk first of all
Speaker 1: about the NBA and the biggest story I think still
Speaker 1: from this early season, the big trade James Harden goes
Speaker 1: from the Houston Rockets and to the Brooklyn Nets. Now,
Speaker 1: before we talk about the trade, what were your thoughts
Speaker 1: on how James Harden sort of played his way out
Speaker 1: of Houston there. I mean, if he was your teammate
Speaker 1: and he kind of acted the way that he did,
Speaker 1: he kind of called out his teammates, he didn't really
Speaker 1: show up, how would you have handled that situation in
Speaker 1: the locker room?
Speaker 2: Well, a couple of things.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go on record to start with and
Speaker 3: say that I am not a James Harden fan. Certainly
Speaker 3: respect his ability and his talent. What he can do
Speaker 3: is absolutely unbelievable, but wanting to be a teammate of
Speaker 3: his no sir e and you know, just his mindset,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately that's the way the NBA has played. These
Speaker 3: guys are going to dictate where they're at, and if
Speaker 3: they don't get what they want, they're going to throw
Speaker 3: the toys out of the cot, suck their thumb in
Speaker 3: the corner, put on way, carry on until they get traded,
Speaker 3: and ultimately they'll get what they want.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think Houston's going to be a
Speaker 2: lot better from it.
Speaker 3: They had to obviously demand as much as they possibly
Speaker 3: could to move a superstar on and try and rebuild again,
Speaker 3: and I think they've been able to get a pretty
Speaker 3: good reward considering the situation they're in.
Speaker 1: So now that he goes to Brooklyn and he's there
Speaker 1: with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, can these three stars
Speaker 1: coexist because you know, James Harden Kevin Durant obviously played
Speaker 1: you know, basically a decade ago in Oklahoma City, but
Speaker 1: they were younger players then and now they're both MVPs.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant obviously won a couple of championship as well.
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving hit the bigger shot in Cleveland Cavaliers history.
Speaker 1: You know, he's won a championship. He's a proven All Star,
Speaker 1: All NBA caliber player in this league. But he likes
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. Kevin Durant wants a ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. James Harden, of course, needs a ball
Speaker 1: in his hands. Can these three guys coexist on the
Speaker 1: court and can the Brooklyn Nets ultimately be successful with
Speaker 1: these three?
Speaker 3: Well, it's the big question, isn't it. And you know
Speaker 3: I'm skeptical. With talent, no doubt they can win a
Speaker 3: championship and probably should win a championship, But you know,
Speaker 3: you've got to think about.
Speaker 2: The people these guys surround themselves with.
Speaker 3: So Kyrie comes back and he's boys are talent him, mate,
Speaker 3: you need to still go and get twenty five gilder Man.
Speaker 3: Those guys need to take a back seat to you
Speaker 3: so they know who you are. And then you know,
Speaker 3: James Harden's going there and he's trying to do the
Speaker 3: right thing for a period of time because he's got
Speaker 3: to fit into other people's teams. So you know, he
Speaker 3: does the right thing for a period of time, but
Speaker 3: ultimately the ego comes out as well, and his people
Speaker 3: are telling him.
Speaker 2: Mate, you've still got to be able to do what
Speaker 2: you're going to do.
Speaker 3: You've got averaging eighteen points a game, so they know
Speaker 3: who you are.
Speaker 2: You need more usage.
Speaker 3: You need to show everybody that you can win a
Speaker 3: championship and still average twenty eight to thirty points a game.
Speaker 3: So ultimately, who's going to sacrifice? You know, when it
Speaker 3: gets to the final stages. And now they'll get through
Speaker 3: a season, they'll have some big wins, they'll have some
Speaker 3: bad losses, we'll all talk about it, but they're going
Speaker 3: to be judged when they start playing against real teams.
Speaker 2: And the big thing for.
Speaker 3: Me is I call hardin harm because I refuse to
Speaker 3: put a Deni's name because that's the question mark. Will
Speaker 3: he play any d whatsoever? And when it gets right
Speaker 3: down to the finals, who's he going to defend?
Speaker 2: And does he have.
Speaker 3: Enough pride to be able to stand up and give
Speaker 3: themselves a chance to win a series against the quality team.
Speaker 1: I will say I was also skeptical of him, especially
Speaker 1: the condition he was in down there in Houston. It
Speaker 1: looked like he really wasn't in game shape. But the
Speaker 1: first two games I thought he moved pretty well. I
Speaker 1: thought defensively, he active at least there for Brooklyn, so
Speaker 1: he was on his best behavior. But it's one thing
Speaker 1: to do it for a couple of games. It's another
Speaker 1: thing to do it for the entire season. And then again,
Speaker 1: of course in the playoffs when you're facing the same
Speaker 1: team and teams look for weaknesses, they look for the
Speaker 1: sort of guy they can exploit on the defensive end.
Speaker 1: So that's definitely going to be an issue there, I
Speaker 1: think as well for the Nets going forward. But they've
Speaker 1: got that offensive firepower where it's like, how do you
Speaker 1: defend those guys as well? I mean, who you're going
Speaker 1: to double off? If Kevin Durant's there, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: going to leave James Harden open. You're going to leave
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving open. Jeff Green shown that he can hit
Speaker 1: a three. Joe Harris is an incredible shooter of the ball.
Speaker 1: So they certainly bring a lot of threats out there
Speaker 1: on the offensive end. Defense is certainly a question. So
Speaker 1: this trade went, it happened. We heard that basically Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons was going to the Houston Rockets. That's what it
Speaker 1: seemed like. Apparently, according to reports, his agent was told
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is being traded and it fell through. If
Speaker 1: you're Ben Simmons, how do you now sort of just
Speaker 1: get over that and just go back to your team
Speaker 1: knowing that you were virtually traded from your team? How
Speaker 1: do you how do you deal with that emotionally? How
Speaker 1: do you deal with that? You know mentally that your
Speaker 1: team basically said we're moving on from you. The trade
Speaker 1: falls through. Now you have to go back and just
Speaker 1: pretend that nothing happened. Like, how difficult as an athlete
Speaker 1: is it to deal with that situation?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get to Ben Simmons. I just want to
Speaker 3: touch on one point you made about harm.
Speaker 2: He's on parole right now. He's been just there's no
Speaker 2: doubt about that.
Speaker 3: So he knows everyone's looking at him, So he's a
Speaker 3: little bit more active. What happens when he gets to
Speaker 3: his normal tendencies and now you're playing, you know, year
Speaker 3: twelve fifteen games a month, he gets back to not
Speaker 3: playing d And the other question mark I got for
Speaker 3: those guys is that the lack of movement.
Speaker 2: Those guys who want to play ISO basketball.
Speaker 3: All the time, and you look at some of the
Speaker 3: greats and some of the teams that have been able
Speaker 3: to make.
Speaker 2: It work with Superstars and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.
Speaker 3: Obviously, with KD they move, they move those ball movement
Speaker 3: player movement.
Speaker 2: Then they all get a piece of the action as well.
Speaker 2: That's the question mark for me about the NETS. But
Speaker 2: with Ben.
Speaker 3: Simmons, I was hoping he was going to get traded.
Speaker 3: I think Ben Simmons needs a new start. I look
Speaker 3: at him now and it's almost like, you know, he's
Speaker 3: just conformed into this guy that's got so much talented,
Speaker 3: good defender, but he's playing within himself.
Speaker 2: His usage is low, he's not aggressive. I'm not of
Speaker 2: the opinion that he needs.
Speaker 3: To go out and start shooting three, so I don't
Speaker 3: think he has to, but.
Speaker 2: I think he still has to be aggressive.
Speaker 3: You know, his numbers have declined because he's not even
Speaker 3: really taking it to people trying to score anymore. And
Speaker 3: I think the great players balanced that up with being
Speaker 3: aggressive to put points on the board, but then drawing
Speaker 3: rotations and making it easier to be able to bring
Speaker 3: other people into the game.
Speaker 2: So I think he's a bit stale. I think deep.
Speaker 3: Down he probably would have been hurt with his ego
Speaker 3: if he got traded, but he'd sort of be sitting
Speaker 3: back now and going to He's probably would have been
Speaker 3: a fresh start as well. I would have been playing
Speaker 3: with different players that maybe complimented me a little bit more,
Speaker 3: and it would have been a new beginning.
Speaker 1: When I look at Ben Simmons, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: point guard. He's six', ten he's, strong he's, fast he's
Speaker 1: got all the physical tools you can ask. For and
Speaker 1: THEN i look at you were like five, eleven you,
Speaker 1: know not.
Speaker 2: S i was at least.
Speaker 1: Six but the Point i'm making, is you, know you
Speaker 1: were undersized for your position, there you, know and so
Speaker 1: if you went inside into the, paint you were going
Speaker 1: up against guys who were like six, ten six, eleven you,
Speaker 1: Know so you couldn't really go up and physically get
Speaker 1: those guys out of the way or out jump them
Speaker 1: Like Ben simmons. Can so you had to develop a
Speaker 1: three point game or a different way to score the.
Speaker 1: Ball you. Know if you were to Coach Ben, simmons you,
Speaker 1: know and again he doesn't have to Be Steph curry
Speaker 1: from three point, range but how would you work with
Speaker 1: him to, say, listen let's get a mid range game going?
Speaker 1: Here let's just get some sort of reliable shot because,
Speaker 1: again you, know you you made it against all, odds
Speaker 1: probably in THE, NBA i, think you, know just because
Speaker 1: again like you were going up against other point guards
Speaker 1: who were probably six two and six, three so you
Speaker 1: had to find a way to make it. Work how
Speaker 1: would you know coach or Encourage ben to take advantage
Speaker 1: of those physical attributes that he.
Speaker 3: Has, YEAH i think it starts with you, know as
Speaker 3: soon as the season.
Speaker 2: Finishes it's about getting the technique, right you.
Speaker 3: Know AND i coach elite kids, now and it's, about you,
Speaker 3: know once you've got your technique, right and then you're
Speaker 3: shooting with the right technique in close and then a
Speaker 3: little bit further out and you're shooting.
Speaker 2: Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of shots a, day and.
Speaker 3: Then you're developing it off the drill and then you're
Speaker 3: getting your step backs and everything.
Speaker 2: Else for, me he's still.
Speaker 3: Flawed the ball's coming out of the wrong part of his,
Speaker 3: hand you, know he's biomechanics of everything isn't lined.
Speaker 2: Up so he doesn't have the confidence to be.
Speaker 3: Able to do it because it's just not natural for
Speaker 3: him to be able to see the ball go through
Speaker 3: the hoop of, practice And i'm not sure how much
Speaker 3: work he's done to make that a priority to Say
Speaker 3: i'm going to evolve my. Game so the fact that
Speaker 3: he hasn't evolved he shot still shouldn't take away from
Speaker 3: the fact that he should.
Speaker 2: Believe that he's An All star and to be An
Speaker 2: All star at six,' ten and, you're right when he
Speaker 2: goes into.
Speaker 3: The key he can go in and finish with, either hands
Speaker 3: so well he's touched around the basket on his floats
Speaker 3: and hooks.
Speaker 2: And everything else.
Speaker 3: Is unbelieved not to mention the fact that he's going
Speaker 3: to gam it on people, as well that he should
Speaker 3: be twenty points a game just by being able to
Speaker 3: do that and improve his three point percentage.
Speaker 2: As Well and.
Speaker 3: I'm just not seeing his mindset for, whatever reason really
Speaker 3: just be on that aggressive stage and feel like He's An.
Speaker 1: All, star, yeah well, WELL again i guess maybe that's.
Speaker 1: The Thing. In philadelphia there's been a lot of speculation
Speaker 1: over the last couple. Of years, you know Is It ben,
Speaker 1: simmons team Is It joel, Embiid's team and they kind
Speaker 1: of do get in each other's way a little bit on, the,
Speaker 1: offensive END because i don't Think that ben spreads. The
Speaker 1: floor and then You've Got joel embiid who likes to,
Speaker 1: shoot threes but he's not a great shooter of, Them
Speaker 1: either so, you know you don't really want your big
Speaker 1: man spending too much time on. The perimeter but you
Speaker 1: also if your point guard's in the paint And He's,
Speaker 1: ben simmons you want him to be able to at
Speaker 1: least turn a lot of those opportunities into high, percentage
Speaker 1: looks which is unable to do or he's shown so
Speaker 1: far he hasn't been able to really develop that. Consistent shot,
Speaker 1: BUT again i think like, any player, you know they've
Speaker 1: always got something to, work on and you take all
Speaker 1: those other things that he, does well, you know his,
Speaker 1: COURT vision i think he's got a good basketball. Like,
Speaker 1: YOU defensively i think. HE'S incredible i think he should
Speaker 1: be in line for all. Defensive teams so he brings
Speaker 1: a lot to the table while he's still working on
Speaker 1: other parts of. His game but that brings me to,
Speaker 1: you Know the australians we have IN the nba, right
Speaker 1: now and one, IN particular I Think paddy mills is
Speaker 1: having his best Season In san antonio coming off the
Speaker 1: bench there averaging fourteen. A game he was shooting over
Speaker 1: fifty percent. From three he's called off a. Little Bit
Speaker 1: but paddy down there With, coach popovich who you obviously
Speaker 1: played for there as well briefly there With The San.
Speaker 1: Antonio spurs did you you Know when patty made it
Speaker 1: in when you was very very quick There in portland
Speaker 1: in those first couple. Of seasons but did you see
Speaker 1: him developing into the sort, of consistent reliable leader that
Speaker 1: he's become down There In.
Speaker 2: San, antonio well he's always had.
Speaker 3: THIS talent i saw him as a teenage out Of
Speaker 3: the Institute. Of sport he was there at the same
Speaker 3: Time As joe ingles.
Speaker 2: And, you know.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable talent but he's continually been able.
Speaker 2: To evolve he's got a great, work ethic just that
Speaker 2: pure shot.
Speaker 3: As well let's, Face it pop's been one of the
Speaker 3: best defenders over the last ten Years Of paddy.
Speaker 2: Mill's game paddy came.
Speaker 3: Out at the start of this season and, He said
Speaker 3: i'm Going With. Olympic Paddy now i'm going with. The
Speaker 3: mine i'm going.
Speaker 2: To go make.
Speaker 3: IT happen i reckon the last couple Of years paddy
Speaker 3: could have played a much bigger role.
Speaker 2: In doing the sort of things that he's. Doing now
Speaker 2: it's almost like the shackles have been released a.
Speaker 3: Little bit like, you said almost fifteen points, a game
Speaker 3: forty seven percent from the three.
Speaker 2: Point line and he's that sort of guy when he.
Speaker 2: Plays free he's not a. Point guard we.
Speaker 3: Know that, you know he's a, pesky defender but he
Speaker 3: can shoot it, from anywhere.
Speaker 2: He can shoot. It quick he makes his team BETTER
Speaker 2: and i think when you've.
Speaker 3: Got Guys like DeRozan there that creates so, much attention
Speaker 3: he's perfect as that next sort of guy that can
Speaker 3: put points on the board and do it quick. As
Speaker 3: well so About time pop let Him loose paddy to
Speaker 3: be able to do what he DOES.
Speaker 2: And i think he can do it for a long time.
Speaker 2: As well great team mate and he's Been great.
Speaker 1: AUSTRALIAN basketball I saw Patty in atlanta last Year after
Speaker 1: australia BEAT the usa down in There, in MELBOURNE and, i,
Speaker 1: said well, you know you must have been talking a
Speaker 1: bit of Trash to pop, about that, you know like
Speaker 1: that's their first loss since two thousand, and six and, he's, like,
Speaker 1: ah yeah a little bit of, a JOKE but i
Speaker 1: don't want to take it too long because, You know
Speaker 1: pop's still my, coach NOW so i might spend are
Speaker 1: a bit more time on the BENCH if i give
Speaker 1: him too. Much lit but it is great To see
Speaker 1: patty just develop and evolve into that leader that He's
Speaker 1: come and that Game in Australia and melbourne last year
Speaker 1: or you know those two games he really stepped up And,
Speaker 1: carried australia which. Was great but Talking About greg, POPOVIC
Speaker 1: again i know you spent some time There In, san
Speaker 1: Antonio And andrew gayze did. As Well aaron bains has also,
Speaker 1: played there So so pop knows a lot About the. Australian,
Speaker 1: PLAYERS now i know you're only there a, short time
Speaker 1: But did pop give you any of that legendary he?
Speaker 1: Sort of, you know did he unload on you at?
Speaker 1: Any point did he scream and yell or how is
Speaker 1: your relationship?
Speaker 3: With?
Speaker 2: HIM no i mean he was he.
Speaker 3: WAS great i mean, for me it was so different
Speaker 3: than my first him IN the nba because they were.
Speaker 3: ALREADY retired i just won a championship With The. SYDNEY kings,
Speaker 3: I said i'm going to hang up With the, BOOTS
Speaker 3: now i was. THIRTY three, I said i'll play part Time.
Speaker 3: In europe i'd spent four Years in europe, all Together
Speaker 3: so i'll just, go back, you know Play after christmas
Speaker 3: and play for four or five months of. The year
Speaker 3: and then all of, A sudden i get a call up,
Speaker 3: to say can you come. To camp we're looking for
Speaker 3: someone who can shoot the ball and stretch the Floor With.
Speaker 3: Timmy DUNCAN so i. WENT there i didn't have the
Speaker 3: proper PRESEASON as i, should have and got the and,
Speaker 3: you know got cut a couple, of times and stayed
Speaker 3: there for, three months and the Last time, pop said.
Speaker 2: We're about to make a. Few changes hang around for
Speaker 2: the next, ten days and we think we're going to.
Speaker 2: Resign YOU but i signed straight Away in greece and
Speaker 2: went on with it at.
Speaker 3: Different stage in. My life and, You know. Pop's great
Speaker 3: he keeps, you honest no doubt. About that he's a
Speaker 3: bit scary at, different stages and, he'll dunk and he's
Speaker 3: in and out of when he's serious. Verse JOKING so
Speaker 3: i can Understand what. Patty's saying but, you know just
Speaker 3: the Culture And san antonio is incredible and the people
Speaker 3: they select and they're superstars and when you have someone like,
Speaker 3: You Know. Tim duncan and in the first VIDEO session i,
Speaker 3: WENT to i watched he Absolutely Ripped tim duncan in.
Speaker 2: The preseason and.
Speaker 3: What he did is he set the culture every other
Speaker 3: player in the team to be able to accept bank coached,
Speaker 3: and criticism because, You know tim put his.
Speaker 2: Hand up, and, said, yep coach, my fault and here's
Speaker 2: THIS superstar i. Don't reckon any other far in the
Speaker 2: world would have been able to accept it and move
Speaker 2: on and lay.
Speaker 1: That culture, You Know, andrew gaze he was on our.
Speaker 1: SHOW once i used to have a SHOW ON, nba
Speaker 1: tv and he came on and he actually said the
Speaker 1: exact same thing that he Said, that pop, you know
Speaker 1: almost as, an example would Call Out, tim duncan because,
Speaker 1: it's like if coach is Calling Out, tim duncan then
Speaker 1: player twelve thirteen on. The bench, you know there's no
Speaker 1: special treatment for anybody. Out here, you know everyone gets the.
Speaker 1: Same treatment, But look pop's still. COACHING now i don't
Speaker 1: know if you could believe that he'd still, be coaching
Speaker 1: what seventeen years after you've played for him There In
Speaker 1: san antonio and Again the spurs not really championship contender material,
Speaker 1: right now but always consistent and always in the, playoff
Speaker 1: hunt which is half. The. Battle really they don't have
Speaker 1: these huge peaks. And troughs they're just always consistent and continuing.
Speaker 1: To perform and again it's that defense that you never
Speaker 1: ever See the spurs just play a bad, defensive game
Speaker 1: which is just an incredible credit to what the Message
Speaker 1: that pop's being able, to send especially now that he
Speaker 1: Doesn't Have tim duncan, out there he Doesn't Have tony
Speaker 1: parker and. Those legends who are you with that team
Speaker 1: for such a. Long, time WELL.
Speaker 3: And i think the other thing too is that he
Speaker 3: sets such a culture that anyone that Goes To san
Speaker 3: antonio knows that you're going to have to, buy in,
Speaker 3: you know the expectations of the people that have come,
Speaker 3: before you.
Speaker 2: The Success that.
Speaker 3: Pops had so there's a respect there straight away that
Speaker 3: if you want to, make it and you can get
Speaker 3: Through the spurs program, right there you can. Play anywhere
Speaker 3: so they don't have the peaks and troughs because of
Speaker 3: that selection of people and private they'll.
Speaker 2: Grow again they need another superstar and it goes in.
Speaker 1: Those waves they'll. Find, one yeah just quickly talking a
Speaker 1: well as About another australian who's made his beginnings Down.
Speaker 1: In Dallas josh green hasn't had, you know hasn't had
Speaker 1: a real good opportunity yet to sort of get too.
Speaker 1: Many minutes what do you know about him and what are?
Speaker 1: The prospects Because the MAVs got him in the first
Speaker 1: round of the draft HERE and i think he's in a.
Speaker 1: Good situation they're playing along, You Know rick carlisle's not,
Speaker 1: quite pop but he's in that similar sort of vein
Speaker 1: that he's been. There forever they've got a Superstar, in
Speaker 1: Doncic and porzingis looks like he's going to be a
Speaker 1: pretty good talent. As well what do you expect to
Speaker 1: See From josh green over these next couple.
Speaker 2: OF seasons i think he'll continue.
Speaker 3: TO grow i think he's a really good pick Up
Speaker 3: for dallas because the way, he plays he doesn't want.
Speaker 3: High usage he's going to play out of. The corners
Speaker 3: he's a good three point shooter and improve three point
Speaker 3: shooter and probably will continue to improve.
Speaker 2: Even more but.
Speaker 3: He's a, great defender a, good ATHLETE and i think
Speaker 3: when you've got someone with such high usage as donkics
Speaker 3: and you've got the big valery.
Speaker 2: Inside as well that are going to get pieces of.
Speaker 3: The ball he becomes a nice little piece to them
Speaker 3: to be able to compliment and he give you consistency
Speaker 3: at the defense event.
Speaker 2: He's watched they've needed. As WELL so i think he
Speaker 2: just has to.
Speaker 3: Be Patient, in dallas they make you do your. Time
Speaker 3: there he's getting bits. And pieces he started a couple,
Speaker 3: of games but not a highlight of a whole lot
Speaker 3: of minutes at the moment that, over time that.
Speaker 1: Will grow do you ever hear from The younger australian
Speaker 1: players who have made it INTO the nba do you
Speaker 1: counsel them about? Life transition, you know Moving, to america,
Speaker 1: different country, different city big lot, of attention, you know lots,
Speaker 1: of games lots. OF travel, i mean are you involved
Speaker 1: in being a mentor with any of the younger men
Speaker 1: or women who come over here.
Speaker 2: To?
Speaker 3: Play yeah more SO when i was an assistant coach
Speaker 3: Of the, australian team because you're around those guys all
Speaker 3: the time, you're traveling there's an opportunity to sit down
Speaker 3: and tell stories and all the rest. Of that. You
Speaker 3: know my advice back to them was. So DIFFERENT when
Speaker 3: i went TO. The nba it's nineteen, ninety six not
Speaker 3: many people Out of america or even playing, in it
Speaker 3: And the americans didn't think anyone could play. Basketball outside
Speaker 3: so you had to do. Your TIME and i certainly wasn't.
Speaker 3: PATIENT enough i wanted to be able to get it.
Speaker 3: Done now and you have some big games and, you,
Speaker 3: Think yep i'm ready, to go and then you get
Speaker 3: left down and.
Speaker 2: Not being on and.
Speaker 3: Everything else so these, GUYS now, i think, you Know
Speaker 3: With luke lumley involved in the national team and so
Speaker 3: many guys that are on the, national team so many
Speaker 3: more opportunities to speak to guys that are there doing.
Speaker 2: It now AND when i, was there It Was luke
Speaker 2: longley and myself that.
Speaker 1: Far gone so, you know you said there weren't too
Speaker 1: many international players IN. The nba, of course, you know
Speaker 1: it's sort of throughout the nineties that tended. To grow and,
Speaker 1: of course, you know one of your most famous moments
Speaker 1: was a friendly game that wasn't so friendly AGAINST the
Speaker 1: usa Before the olympics in. NINETY six, i mean that
Speaker 1: was an, incredible game an. INCREDIBLE moment i remember watching It,
Speaker 1: because australians, you know LIKE when i think of the
Speaker 1: Ninety Two, dream team The First, dream team, You know
Speaker 1: Jordan and Magic, and larry they were kind of like,
Speaker 1: superheroes almost. YOU know i remember the other teams were
Speaker 1: like trying to get photos with these guys and changing
Speaker 1: jerseys and they wanted to, be, like, Hey look i'm
Speaker 1: on the same court as. This guy and things changed
Speaker 1: a little bit by ninety four and then ninety six
Speaker 1: and then. NINETY six i mean that was A pre
Speaker 1: Olympic game Australia versus Ure Saying Salt. Lake City but
Speaker 1: australians were never the same in, that like, Oh wow
Speaker 1: i'm on the Court with Shaq Or grant Hill Or.
Speaker 1: Charles barkley and you didn't seem to have any nerves
Speaker 1: or any sort of tension. Out there you just went
Speaker 1: out there and played as hard as. You, could now,
Speaker 1: You know america won the, game comfortably but you caught
Speaker 1: fire to the Point Where charles barkley took a cheap shot.
Speaker 1: AT you, i mean in, that moment what were, you
Speaker 1: thinking what, you're feeling and how close was that situation
Speaker 1: to sort of, you know maybe you're rupting into a
Speaker 1: bit of a brawl out out in, The court oh.
Speaker 3: No doubt we saw all the other teams getting photos
Speaker 3: and getting autographs and, these things and, we said it's
Speaker 3: just Not the. Australian way we love. These Guys charles
Speaker 3: barkley was my. FAVORITE player i love the way, you
Speaker 3: played his attitude and.
Speaker 2: Everything else but at the same time i'd hit two or.
Speaker 3: Three threes, you know he, comes, in laid takes my,
Speaker 3: legs out was a, Cheap, shot okay, got up gave
Speaker 3: him a little chest bump and gave him.
Speaker 2: A few, choice WORDS and i remember him, Looking down
Speaker 2: what did?
Speaker 3: You SAY and i didn't know whether understand the accent
Speaker 3: or whether he just couldn't BELIEVE what i just told him.
Speaker 2: To, DO anyway i, repeated it and it's. Obviously eruugh.
Speaker 3: But our mindset was that we weren't being disrespectful or trying.
Speaker 3: To grandstand and, YOU know i would have done exactly
Speaker 3: the same IN the nbl or. Anywhere ELSE but i
Speaker 3: feel like what that game did is that we've always
Speaker 3: been a really tight unit as.
Speaker 2: A strands we, play hard we.
Speaker 3: Played together at the end of, The day we'll have
Speaker 3: to beer with you if we, don't win but, all good.
Speaker 2: And we got a LOT of i think we got
Speaker 2: a lot of confidence out.
Speaker 3: Of that game because we were ramked about tenth into,
Speaker 3: that tournament ended up making the top four and having
Speaker 3: to Play The dream Team in atlanta in front of
Speaker 3: thirty five thousand people in the big football stadium to
Speaker 3: try and go through to a. Gold medal and obviously
Speaker 3: they knew who we were by, that stage so. They
Speaker 3: Scouted now i'd had thirty, two points they weren't get
Speaker 3: a twenty.
Speaker 2: EIGHT points i think had, eight threes and they know
Speaker 2: what you do you want.
Speaker 3: To get so that's a bigger challenge to be able to,
Speaker 3: come back you know after a full torn and play
Speaker 3: against but just great experience for us to be able to.
Speaker 1: DO it i was watching highlights of it the other
Speaker 1: day Again And dick Stockton And hubie brown on They Called,
Speaker 1: HUBY brown i mean, a legend legend of, the game
Speaker 1: and he was just in awe of you, out there,
Speaker 1: you know like after about the, second one he, was saying,
Speaker 1: all right get up on this guy because you know
Speaker 1: he's feeling it and, you know you hit, a couple
Speaker 1: you hit that corner One Over john stockton, as Well
Speaker 1: and hube's, just like oh, my god this. Is great
Speaker 1: so if you Can Impress, hube brown you know you're
Speaker 1: certainly doing. SOMETHING right, i mean, you know that's that's
Speaker 1: the highest sort of praise you can receive from a commentator.
Speaker 3: Right, THERE well i think because they obviously hadn't done
Speaker 3: too much preparation Playing, against australia.
Speaker 2: They just go out.
Speaker 3: And play but YOU know i always had. GREAT range
Speaker 3: i practiced from a long. Way out THAT'S what. I
Speaker 3: did THAT'S where i made. My living and, YOU know
Speaker 3: i look at today's GAME and, i, think, well raise
Speaker 3: these guys Are shitting look at. The range THAT'S what
Speaker 3: i used to do twenty five. Years ago THAT'S what,
Speaker 3: i made, you know a. Living from and in, that
Speaker 3: game they'd go under a screen and YOU know i
Speaker 3: could be a meter or two OUT and i didn't.
Speaker 2: Have a problem being able to knock.
Speaker 3: That down so it was it was, good fun, good experience,
Speaker 3: great crowd all the rest. Of it BUT like, i
Speaker 3: said it was more about us taking that into the
Speaker 3: tournament and finished, top four which you know we did a.
Speaker 2: Number, of times.
Speaker 3: Which is really Beeble for australia finish in the top
Speaker 3: four when you look at sort of the way.
Speaker 1: We, are yeah that's what it's going to ask. YOU about,
Speaker 1: i mean, The women australian's women Won The world championships
Speaker 1: in two thousand and SIX and i think they've won
Speaker 1: three silver medals At the. Olympics game So the australia
Speaker 1: women have. Done fantastic but for, the men we seem
Speaker 1: to we seem to be doing, so well but we
Speaker 1: just can't quite break through. And metal we've had some
Speaker 1: incredible tight Games against, spain recently which came down to
Speaker 1: some dodgy, free THROWS but i mean that's the way it.
Speaker 1: Goes sometimes and then in ninety six, it, was yeah
Speaker 1: we made fourth place there. As well are we closer
Speaker 1: do you think? To meddling are we? FURTHER away, i
Speaker 1: mean is the talent, getting better is the camaraderie still
Speaker 1: there with, the team or, you know do you sort
Speaker 1: of see us maybe, you know that was that was
Speaker 1: our best best shot and we haven't been able to
Speaker 1: sort of, you know sort of take home a metal
Speaker 1: when we. Should, HAVE.
Speaker 2: Yeah i mean it's a. Great question and we're finished fourth.
Speaker 2: Four times that was part of two of those us
Speaker 2: To lift.
Speaker 3: Awania twice in ninety six it was only by a,
Speaker 3: few points and we had our chances and that Was
Speaker 3: with Sabonas And marshall, len guys and we Didn't Have,
Speaker 3: luke longley so that was probably our. Best chance and like,
Speaker 3: you said these guys only a few years ago Lost.
Speaker 3: Of spain we were playing against teams that had more
Speaker 3: talent and we were overachieving because most of us were Based.
Speaker 2: In australia were very tight in. Your team we understood.
Speaker 2: Our roles now we've GOT more. Nba guys these guys,
Speaker 2: aren't scared, you know they.
Speaker 3: Continue on they've got more exposurey about PLAYING against nba
Speaker 3: guys week in.
Speaker 2: Week out that gives us.
Speaker 3: An advantage but whether disadvantage comes and my concern moving
Speaker 3: forward is does Playing for australia mean the Same To,
Speaker 3: ben simmons who's WORK whatever a couple hundred men as.
Speaker 2: What it did for ME that i was just playing
Speaker 2: because that was. MY goal i didn't aim to play IN.
Speaker 2: THE nba i wanted to Play. For australia that was,
Speaker 2: my pride that was.
Speaker 3: My dream so some of these guys that are making
Speaker 3: them so, much money do they want to give? Up
Speaker 3: time are they just picking and choosing when they do,
Speaker 3: come together are they going to embrace what it means
Speaker 3: to Be in australian and.
Speaker 2: Boomer and to be able to take, a role to
Speaker 2: be able. To win that's the question that. WE'VE got i.
Speaker 3: Hope that they embrace it and they're ready, to sacrifice
Speaker 3: because Playing for australia is.
Speaker 2: So front when you play for a club team and
Speaker 2: you get, your role it's.
Speaker 3: About stats it's about making all, star teams about winning,
Speaker 3: as well but these other things are really important.
Speaker 2: For contracts Whereas with australia it is nothing. About.
Speaker 1: That yeah well it's funny you say THAT because i
Speaker 1: know when, you know You watch Olympics Or, world championships
Speaker 1: You Know andrew bogert is incredible Playing. For Australia aaron
Speaker 1: baines has. BEEN incredible I remember i've lost his name
Speaker 1: there the guy Who played he played IN the nba
Speaker 1: briefly there. He, Played, no no he's an older, guy
Speaker 1: now he was about. SIX' ten i can't he Played.
Speaker 1: For the rockets he Played for, the raptors briefly spent most.
Speaker 1: OF his career I think in europe his name. Has
Speaker 1: escaped me but another guy Again. Just representing australia when
Speaker 1: you Put That, Green David, anderson david anderson. That's, the
Speaker 1: one yeah when you put that green and, gold jersey
Speaker 1: on players. Just, Play, Differently Again, patty joe ingles, all
Speaker 1: these guys they just look much much better out on
Speaker 1: the court because it just there's so much more. Behind
Speaker 1: BEHIND it and i just, Like you're SAYING that's why i.
Speaker 1: ASKED you, that i mean Do you think, australia's you
Speaker 1: know men's basketball, certainly at least are we getting closer
Speaker 1: or is that gap maybe widening a little bit because
Speaker 1: you see those other, countries As well like, serbia for
Speaker 1: example when, they play together they. Play great Basketball spain
Speaker 1: and france, They're always tough croatia they're another very, Tough
Speaker 1: team always, AND you know i think it's Very important
Speaker 1: that australia maintains that level, of COMPETITIVENESS internationally and i hope. That's,
Speaker 1: the case, so you know again Seeing Guys like josh
Speaker 1: green get drafted in. The First Round obviously Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: and andrew boger was a number one pick back in the.
Speaker 1: Day as, Well you Know patty And Joe and deli vedova.
Speaker 1: Is still. Playing dante, exam you know he's unfortunately dealing.
Speaker 1: WITH another injury i think the, talent IS there but
Speaker 1: i just hope that we can still compete on the
Speaker 1: WORLD stage because i think that it'd be nothing greater
Speaker 1: as An achievement for australian basketball if we, could just
Speaker 1: medal even if. It's a, BRONZE you know i don't
Speaker 1: think there's, any you know it's not bad to win. A,
Speaker 1: bronze medal. Yeah exactly. Exactly we would we would take
Speaker 1: it right now because we've been so close without, being able,
Speaker 1: to you know, to get there and some of those
Speaker 1: heartbreaking losses just they they just seem like it's just not.
Speaker 1: For us sometimes but but hopefully, that will. Change you
Speaker 1: know talking about THE W, N b a i wanted
Speaker 1: To Talk about lauren jackson firstly because she's been Nominated
Speaker 1: For The nay Smith hall of. Fame this year she's
Speaker 1: already IN The w Nba hall of Fame And the
Speaker 1: Australian Institute or Australian, Hall Of Fame australian Sports. Hall
Speaker 1: Of fame lauren jackson All, the, credentials championships, MVPs YOU
Speaker 1: know all nba representatives there FOR, the W Nba. THE seattle,
Speaker 1: storm i mean what do you what do you remember
Speaker 1: most about her incredible career and where do you think
Speaker 1: she stands in The sort of. Australian, SPORTING hierarchy well
Speaker 1: i mean.
Speaker 3: SHE was incredible i mean she was really the first
Speaker 3: superstar that, we've actually, had you, know women's sport probably with.
Speaker 3: Men's as well like her accolades and what she's been,
Speaker 3: able to achieve there's no doubt that there's no men's basketball.
Speaker 2: That's done more than, what she's, done you.
Speaker 3: Know GOING into the wnba when she was only nineteen
Speaker 3: years of age and then going on and achieving all
Speaker 3: of those things individually and collectively, for a team making.
Speaker 3: A team better but she's the first person we've really
Speaker 3: seen of that size that had the mobility to be able. To,
Speaker 3: step out, normally you know when you're six seven or six' eight,
Speaker 3: or whatever she is you stick them inside and you
Speaker 3: know you play through them. With a high advantage but
Speaker 3: she had that mobility to be able to step. Out
Speaker 3: just unbelievably skilled she did it from a young age
Speaker 3: and did it all the way until she was a.
Speaker 2: Lot older, as well so. Superstars she. Deserves, everything she, Gets.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's great and YOU know the reason. I brought,
Speaker 1: that up first off she's a Legend obviously in, the
Speaker 1: australian sporting world, in the basketball world but you yourself
Speaker 1: have a daughter who's shown Some. Pretty good form shila?
Speaker 1: Now where is she i've read that she may. Be
Speaker 1: DRAFTED this year now i don't, know if that's true
Speaker 1: or maybe, you COULD confirm that but i saw some
Speaker 1: highlights of, her PLAYING out there and I have to
Speaker 1: say i can see a. Junior hammer out there she
Speaker 1: seemed to have that same sort of, tenacity that she
Speaker 1: inherited certainly. That from her father she's got a bit
Speaker 1: of a three. Point game as well so where? Are
Speaker 1: we right now is she POTENTIALLY heading to the wnba
Speaker 1: this season or sometime in the. Next, Couple, of.
Speaker 2: Years yeah well.
Speaker 3: It's a bit different with the women than it is
Speaker 3: with the men, once you go pro and she's been
Speaker 3: a pro for a.
Speaker 2: Number of years now.
Speaker 3: She left high school to PURSUE playing, basketball like i
Speaker 3: did and so she's been PLAYING. Professionally in, the wnbl
Speaker 3: this year she helped her team go from Last to
Speaker 3: playing a Grand final Against This cambage and leilani mitchell
Speaker 3: and she averaged.
Speaker 2: Seventeen for the year. She's a good. KID she's unbelievably
Speaker 2: skilled a bigger.
Speaker 3: Skill is a passion that's the biggest strength because she
Speaker 3: just loves it and we've done so much training and
Speaker 3: she's pushing me and she's just so dedicated to be
Speaker 3: able to. Do what she does once, you've become pro
Speaker 3: internationally the, year you turn.
Speaker 2: Twenty you're nominated regardless you don't have to. Nominate in
Speaker 2: the draft so she's in.
Speaker 3: The draft next year, she just turned nineteen but she'll
Speaker 3: be twenty at the. End of next year at the moment,
Speaker 3: on the mock draft she's ranked anywhere between eight and
Speaker 3: eleven on. The main mock drafts but she's up against
Speaker 3: the college, kids that you know There's one of the
Speaker 3: australian girls that's turning twenty six next year, that's been
Speaker 3: there forever, and there's you know other kids that are twenty.
Speaker 3: Two to twenty, four but you know she's certainly shown she's.
Speaker 3: A first round pick She Was.
Speaker 2: In the all Star Five of the world cup a
Speaker 2: couple of.
Speaker 3: Years ago with three Americans and, a big french girl
Speaker 3: so a great Opportunity and you know i'm looking.
Speaker 2: Forward to her sort of playing at that. Next level
Speaker 2: she's ready do.
Speaker 1: You think you'll move back over? To be, with her
Speaker 1: you know if she does make it over here AND,
Speaker 1: play in the nba do you think you will move
Speaker 1: the family over.
Speaker 2: To.
Speaker 3: Be, with her na, no it's you know we're very,
Speaker 3: close as a, family and you know she does all the,
Speaker 3: preparation here with me and then we let her go
Speaker 3: and give, her, own space you know so she Can
Speaker 3: embark our own jennys and, have her own relationships and
Speaker 3: you go through ups and downs and we speak every.
Speaker 3: Day and everything else but anytime she's, PLAYING in a
Speaker 3: season i sort of, leave her a line.
Speaker 2: Like to sort of stay out of it a little
Speaker 2: bit more and just be on the other.
Speaker 3: End of the fund and then she comes, back and
Speaker 3: we say we, get to the lab we, evolve our
Speaker 3: game more and we just do THE same things that
Speaker 3: i did of just training and training and training to
Speaker 3: be able. To develop the, skills so she's, GOOD and
Speaker 3: you know i can't wait to see.
Speaker 2: HER get over there.
Speaker 1: A big moment in any father and child relationship is
Speaker 1: when the child becomes. Better than the, PARENT so you
Speaker 1: know i want to know has she hit dad with
Speaker 1: a step back or a crossover and? Talked, a LITTLE
Speaker 1: trash maybe.
Speaker 2: Well i stopped playing one on one. With her, a
Speaker 2: little you know she's Never Been a will because i've put,
Speaker 2: Up the.
Speaker 3: White flag i'm done she's holding their. Record at the
Speaker 3: moment we do a drill where you have to make
Speaker 3: one hundred threes at the end, of a tough session
Speaker 3: and her record's one hundred out of.
Speaker 2: One, hundred and six. Wow so.
Speaker 3: Three balls it's unbelievable but we're laughing today because all
Speaker 3: of the young, kids in, my camp you know they want,
Speaker 3: a photo with her GOT no. Idea who i am it's,
Speaker 3: like this OLD flake what do i want? To?
Speaker 2: PHOTO with him for.
Speaker 1: I think That Was like when Luka Doncic was in
Speaker 1: los Angeles Last year and kobe, Bryant's, Daughter, was like
Speaker 1: dad dad can you get Me A. Photo with, luka
Speaker 1: doncic you Know like you see, kobe rest in peace go.
Speaker 1: If you see him that. Just as the dad they're
Speaker 1: taking a photo Of His. Daughter WITH luka, DONCIC so
Speaker 1: i guess i guess that's pretty humbling for a dad
Speaker 1: when you know YOU'VE been in the Nba you've played
Speaker 1: for australia and all of a, sudden, people are, like
Speaker 1: sorry old man your daughter. Is, The SUPERSTAR now yeah and.
Speaker 3: I think as apparent i've got three, Daughters and you
Speaker 3: know i'm equally as proud.
Speaker 2: Of all of them even though the other.
Speaker 3: Two two other things and you want the, best for
Speaker 3: your kids so when you see them that they've found,
Speaker 3: their love, in life their.
Speaker 2: Passion and they're, putting so much time and you want
Speaker 2: to see them rewarded for. All the hard. Work and
Speaker 2: she is she's.
Speaker 3: Got, a great opportunity now she's got a great, head
Speaker 3: on her shoulder she's got her mum's personality and she's.
Speaker 2: Humble and everything else.
Speaker 3: So we'll keep that but she's got a little bit
Speaker 3: of it gets on the floor and a bit of fire.
Speaker 3: From me as well so it's not. A, bad bland
Speaker 3: that yeah we're just we're just proud of her and
Speaker 3: happy to.
Speaker 1: See, her do them well do they ever ask, you
Speaker 1: about that Incident you know, With, charles and, say dad
Speaker 1: you know what the? Hell? Are you, doing that, guy's,
Speaker 1: like You know well actually, charles isn't, THAT big, real
Speaker 1: easy i mean he's undersized for a power forward but
Speaker 1: there's that sort of there's that camera angle where it,
Speaker 1: looks like, he's like you know about six foot ten,
Speaker 1: and you're, sort of you know the camera is coming
Speaker 1: from behind you like that you only look like you're,
Speaker 1: about five foot four but you're sort of like. IN his,
Speaker 1: face there i mean, do, they, ever say dad like
Speaker 1: how did you live?
Speaker 2: To?
Speaker 3: Tell the tale well it's funny because, most of the
Speaker 3: time they're the only times that. Have seen me play is,
Speaker 3: that it's, come up you know all the. Time on
Speaker 3: social media so the kids sort of see that and watch,
Speaker 3: a bit of that. And that's about it and it's
Speaker 3: amazing how, many, friends that say mate she. Plays just,
Speaker 3: like you you know she's. A lot, of, tapes, i'm
Speaker 3: like nah mat.
Speaker 2: It's just the. Drills that we do i'll give, her
Speaker 2: the same drills so she's, doing those same things but hardly.
Speaker 2: See see me play but.
Speaker 3: It is funny because more people my. Age will come
Speaker 3: up i'll ast somebody either every day or every second day,
Speaker 3: COME up and say.
Speaker 2: I remember when you took, on that big.
Speaker 3: Guy Took on that, Big Shaquille O'Neil, guy and I'm, like.
Speaker 2: It, WAS charles but. Yeah, I, remember.
Speaker 1: Too okay well what we do now on our podcast
Speaker 1: and we. Play a little game it's Just It's. Called
Speaker 1: What you've got and i'm going to present, two SCENARIOS
Speaker 1: to you and i just want you to pick one
Speaker 1: and tell me why, you would pick one and. We'll
Speaker 1: have some fun and some of them are basketball or
Speaker 1: lated and some. Of, Them, are not okay, now the
Speaker 1: first one it's an interesting one because a, Couple Of
Speaker 1: weeks ago bradley, beal scored Sixty points, but THE wizards
Speaker 1: lost and i know. YOU scored sixty one i believe
Speaker 1: was YOUR. HIGHEST in the nbl i don't know if
Speaker 1: that came in a, win OR a loss but i
Speaker 1: know that was. Your career high there so would you
Speaker 1: rather score sixty? Points in a loss would you rather
Speaker 1: score or would you rather score zero? And get the Win.
Speaker 2: That's a great that, is A great question and. I'll
Speaker 2: answer that honestly we did win in my.
Speaker 3: SIXTY one point game i, reckon when you're younger you
Speaker 3: want the sixty one and then if you take.
Speaker 2: The, loss along the.
Speaker 3: Way you'll get it but you know you're trying to
Speaker 3: do your best you can and pave your way at the.
Speaker 3: End of your career it's. More about the wins it's
Speaker 3: more about playing the role. You're trying to win you're trying,
Speaker 3: to win a championship and you'll appreciate that more. Later
Speaker 3: ON your careers how i think it's probably split in
Speaker 3: two between me Being.
Speaker 2: Young, and me yeah.
Speaker 1: Well we talked about it on, the PODCAST we, do, and,
Speaker 1: I said Well listen i think i'd take sixty In,
Speaker 1: a loss in January but if it's game, Seven of
Speaker 1: the finals i'll take the.
Speaker 2: Zero and.
Speaker 1: A win that's fine i can handle not scoring. In
Speaker 1: the championship game but, in, the regular. SEASON sure, sixty points.
Speaker 1: I mean it's great i'm Going, to talk about okay
Speaker 1: now we've kind of briefly. Touched on this subject the
Speaker 1: best teammate that you ever PLAYED With In. The nba
Speaker 1: kevin garnette i'm PICKING the two that i think it,
Speaker 1: Would Be down To Kevin. Garnette, or tim duncan.
Speaker 2: Oh. THAT'S a Great Question i say TIM duncan Only
Speaker 2: Because i reckon kevin garnette would have been a much
Speaker 2: better teammate.
Speaker 3: LATER on his career i played with him with, his nineteen,
Speaker 3: great guy you know really high and really low and everything.
Speaker 3: Else And Good, guy but tim duncan it's just unbelievably.
Speaker 3: Cal't for a superstar, he set the time he did
Speaker 3: all the. Work and everything else he. Was a great
Speaker 3: TEAMMATE the first time I Remember speaking to tim, DUNCAN
Speaker 3: one on one i was actually.
Speaker 2: IN the ice bath i was the only one in
Speaker 2: The Whole. Thing in san antonio WAS the first day
Speaker 2: i got there and he WALKED in and, he i, was.
Speaker 3: Like Oh Shit this is tim duncan walked over and
Speaker 3: the first thing he said.
Speaker 2: Is DO you mind if i call your? Hammer Whatever You.
Speaker 2: Want you're tim duncan.
Speaker 1: That must have, been pretty, cool though you know like,
Speaker 1: you're probably you know IN a situation where i wonder
Speaker 1: if this guy, even knows my name but instead. HE knows,
Speaker 1: my nickname i mean that, must feel like okay at
Speaker 1: least you know he doesn't have an. Ego about him anyway.
Speaker 2: That. Was real cool.
Speaker 1: Okay one More Here. From the basketball world best shooter
Speaker 1: in your Opinion In Basketball History ray Allen Steph Curry Or.
Speaker 2: Andrew Gaze steph curry. STEPH curry, without doubt.
Speaker 3: I mean what he can do with his range and
Speaker 3: how quick he is to be able to catch. It
Speaker 3: and shoot it how great he is to be able
Speaker 3: to get it off of a dribble off a.
Speaker 2: Step back of. Ease Is Absolutely incredible.
Speaker 3: So steph curry for me first Rail And second and
Speaker 3: andrew gays, is just below.
Speaker 1: Me, just below, you yeah WELL yeah, the, Reason i mean,
Speaker 1: like i'm, not Sure You know maybe klay thompson could have.
Speaker 1: Been put in there there's, other GUYS as, well but
Speaker 1: i wondered Did You go against ray allen at some
Speaker 1: point in when You played There In? Minnesota, or, san antonio.
Speaker 3: Course yeah, AND again you know i was only there
Speaker 3: for a season AND a half, before I got injured
Speaker 3: so i got to watch most of those guys, more
Speaker 3: than anything else and didn't.
Speaker 2: Really go as head to HEAD like you know I
Speaker 2: would have if i.
Speaker 3: Had to stay longer but just seeing them firsthand just
Speaker 3: next level, with what, they do different size.
Speaker 2: Quickness, and, Everything Else.
Speaker 1: WELL yeah ray allen i got to see him warm
Speaker 1: up a few, times down at games and the preparation
Speaker 1: he would put in even when he, was in you
Speaker 1: know the latest stage of his. Career was, just incredible
Speaker 1: you know out there three, hours before, the, game warming
Speaker 1: up practicing, not just three pointers every, shot in close,
Speaker 1: range off, the dribble you know around screens. And things
Speaker 1: like that so when you see him out on the
Speaker 1: court hit that Shot Like Against the san antonio spurs
Speaker 1: that basically extended that series to give him, the win the, championship, it's,
Speaker 1: not like. Oh wow, that's, incredible it's like, well he
Speaker 1: practices that and he's been practicing it, for his entire.
Speaker 1: Career so You Know that's and steph. CURRY is, the same,
Speaker 1: i mean, You know his dad dell, obviously A great
Speaker 1: shooter but steph puts in the, work and you know
Speaker 1: his range and the way that he's changed. The game,
Speaker 1: IS incredible So yeah i think steph's the. BEST shooter
Speaker 1: ever too i. Think, he's just remarkable okay now You,
Speaker 1: WERE born in. Melbourne i know that so you did
Speaker 1: You grow up in melbourne or did You. Grow, UP
Speaker 1: in sydney.
Speaker 3: Now I grew UP in melbourne until i went to
Speaker 3: THE institutors for, when i was sixteen had a year
Speaker 3: then and then just went straight TO the pros.
Speaker 2: When I was Seventeen but. I called sydney home now
Speaker 2: you can. Chuse where you were this is The.
Speaker 1: Best, lifestyle in australia okay well, that this next question
Speaker 1: then you'll be able. To relate to it scoring ONE
Speaker 1: hundred On The mcg on boxing day or bagging Six Goals.
Speaker 2: In the grand final, i'm, Going six goals man oh like.
Speaker 2: Six goals, For sure for ME i'm. A massive afl.
Speaker 3: FAN i grew up i had to MAKE a decision,
Speaker 3: when i Was fifteen played FOR carlton or am I
Speaker 3: going To the institute of SPORT and love my afl
Speaker 3: Six Goals in a grand final in front of one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand every.
Speaker 2: Day of the week.
Speaker 1: Did you you? Were number twenty three was dermy the? Reason? For,
Speaker 1: Twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah and it's funny because, when you play basketball
Speaker 3: people think you chose It, obviously Because Of Michael but
Speaker 3: matt jerman, brenan was, you know, he died he's Hair
Speaker 3: he had the ferraris all.
Speaker 2: The rest, OF it so junior I whatt TWENTY three
Speaker 2: and when, I started, playing Professionally i said oh i'm going.
Speaker 2: TO carry that on i. Want number twenty three. So that's.
Speaker 1: Why, Nice, it's nice Okay well staying in melbourne because
Speaker 1: the big events. COMING up THERE soon i Think I.
Speaker 1: Hope the australian open would You Rather win the australian
Speaker 1: open in front of Your hometown fans in melbourne, or
Speaker 1: THE bigger event Which. I think is wimbledon which one?
Speaker 1: WOULD you Choose there i think I'd.
Speaker 3: Picked this train open after playing In the two thousand,
Speaker 3: olympics And you know say atlanta probably would have been much.
Speaker 2: Bigger on a world stage and.
Speaker 3: Dream teams And crowds playing in sydney was in front
Speaker 3: of friends and family is just something that. Was SO
Speaker 3: so special so i think being able to do that
Speaker 3: and with friends and family.
Speaker 2: Would be very good.
Speaker 1: What was it Like when you captain australia the Two
Speaker 1: thousand and Four, Olympics there in, athens because you know
Speaker 1: that must have been a real sign of respect that
Speaker 1: you got that honor to lead the team out there
Speaker 1: to victory and what turned out To Be your last Olympic.
Speaker 1: GAMES there for australia.
Speaker 2: I mean it.
Speaker 3: Was A, huge Honor andrew Gas, and andrew Vlahof Luke
Speaker 3: along with mark brady all. RETIRED in two thousand i
Speaker 3: came back to be Able To play for prime gorge
Speaker 3: in and lead a really Young Team, that included andrew.
Speaker 2: Boges so huge honor it wasn't one of The better teams.
Speaker 3: That i'd played on it's a lot of fun and
Speaker 3: a lot of players were blooded from that EXPERIENCE and
Speaker 3: just something i get to be chaired off at The,
Speaker 3: end of, fourth olympics you.
Speaker 2: Know and, they're green and GOLD is something that.
Speaker 1: I very much cherish I was actually In athens FOR
Speaker 1: the olympics and i was In the arena FOR. Australia
Speaker 1: versus the usa we had a big, lead EARLY on,
Speaker 1: TOO and, I, thought I thought wow maybe australia is
Speaker 1: going to. Pull this one off But because they had
Speaker 1: Lebron And, they had dwayne wade BUT they were OBVIOUSLY
Speaker 1: i think that i guess they were rookies or they
Speaker 1: just finished their ROOKIE, season IN the nba and i
Speaker 1: thought THAT wasn't the strongest usa, team BY any, means
Speaker 1: and i thought there's A chance here that. Australia could
Speaker 1: do this but in the end they got. Us in
Speaker 1: the end but that was that was a great atmosphere in,
Speaker 1: the arena, just again you know because you travel around
Speaker 1: the world and when you when you get to know
Speaker 1: Join that join the australian contingent and, have the camaraderie
Speaker 1: There cheering on the aussies. TO get their victories a
Speaker 1: lot of fun just just fell a couple. Of, points
Speaker 1: short unfortunately, okay last. Question, HERE last one now i
Speaker 1: know you're a bit, of A rockert too So i'm
Speaker 1: going to i'm going to sort. OF old school music
Speaker 1: i think this is. In your wheelhouse Here i'm Going In.
Speaker 1: Excess or cold chisel if you could see one, of
Speaker 1: those bands live which one? Would You?
Speaker 2: Go, to.
Speaker 3: In EXCESS yeah definitely well i was in the car
Speaker 3: the other day with my daughters and they, had the
Speaker 3: music BLARING and they Have.
Speaker 2: Wap on and. I'VE shaken my head i remember.
Speaker 3: On a school bus she Used to listen to disat.
Speaker 2: Song on AND they listened AND i felt like i was. One, hundred,
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: Well look this has been, A. LOT of fun shade
Speaker 1: i really appreciate you take the time. To join us
Speaker 1: here it's been great. Going down, memory lane, and really
Speaker 1: you know all The, best, Too FOR shilah, RIGHT like
Speaker 1: i say i know that you know she's it looks
Speaker 1: like she will be HEADING to the N w n b.
Speaker 1: A at some point that must. MAKE you very Proud
Speaker 1: i know you're you're proud, of all, your kids of
Speaker 1: course but seeing her follow in dad's. Footsteps must be
Speaker 1: incredible so it's been a lot of, fun talking to
Speaker 1: you and thank YOU very much and i wish.
Speaker 2: You all the best, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Me thanks a lot you could stay.
Speaker 2: Every day and are.
Speaker 3: You happy every.
Speaker 2: Minute it's been so long that your mona way. For
Speaker 2: it's happened already it's kind of a guy