WEBVTT - 1-on-1 | Australian Hoops Legend Shane Heal 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:12.719 Welcome to a special edition of the Not Dunk Podcast. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.720 I'm Leaos today I'm joined by a legend from the 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:19.680 Australian and international basketball world. He's a four time Olympian, 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.040 had two stints in the NBA, once playing for the 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.320 Minnesota Timberwolves and later for the San Antonio Spurs. He 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.520 spent most of his professional career playing in Australia's Premier League, 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.280 the NBL, winning the championship with the Cidney Kings in 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.920 two thousand and three. And he joins me from his 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.280 home in Sydney via zoom. He is Shane the Hammer Heel. Shane, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:38.199 thanks for joining me. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:43.479 What an introduction. Thanks and nice to be able to 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:43.760 talk to. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.599 Who's Yeah, well that's what we're here for to talk 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.680 about who's for? First off, how is the situation there 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.680 in Sydney. You're allowed outside, you are allowed to mingle. 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:53.560 I know it's been a little bit up and down 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.680 there in Australia, but what's the situation currently in Sydney. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.560 Yeah, I mean we've been very very fortunate, had any 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.040 cases for a handful of days now in New South Wales, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.279 so you know, wearing masks and those sort of things, 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.000 and you know, having to check in when you go 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.160 and get a coffee or something a week. So all 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:13.920 of that tracing's big time here in Australia, but we're 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:15.679 very fortunate to compare to the rest. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.960 Of the world, especially where I am here in Atlanta. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.240 It's we're a long way away from that. But hopefully 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.280 today is the start of something new. But anyway, we're 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.560 here to talk basketball, So let's talk first of all 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.839 about the NBA and the biggest story I think still 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:35.080 from this early season, the big trade James Harden goes 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.240 from the Houston Rockets and to the Brooklyn Nets. Now, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.679 before we talk about the trade, what were your thoughts 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.240 on how James Harden sort of played his way out 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.400 of Houston there. I mean, if he was your teammate 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.400 and he kind of acted the way that he did, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.200 he kind of called out his teammates, he didn't really 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.720 show up, how would you have handled that situation in 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:52.360 the locker room? 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:54.360 Well, a couple of things. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.400 I'm going to go on record to start with and 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.600 say that I am not a James Harden fan. Certainly 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.920 respect his ability and his talent. What he can do 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.400 is absolutely unbelievable, but wanting to be a teammate of 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.160 his no sir e and you know, just his mindset, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.200 and unfortunately that's the way the NBA has played. These 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.240 guys are going to dictate where they're at, and if 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.560 they don't get what they want, they're going to throw 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.440 the toys out of the cot, suck their thumb in 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:24.400 the corner, put on way, carry on until they get traded, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.760 and ultimately they'll get what they want. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.959 But you know, I think Houston's going to be a 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:29.800 lot better from it. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.519 They had to obviously demand as much as they possibly 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.959 could to move a superstar on and try and rebuild again, 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.600 and I think they've been able to get a pretty 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.840 good reward considering the situation they're in. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.440 So now that he goes to Brooklyn and he's there 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.920 with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving, can these three stars 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.440 coexist because you know, James Harden Kevin Durant obviously played 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.239 you know, basically a decade ago in Oklahoma City, but 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.320 they were younger players then and now they're both MVPs. 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.520 Kevin Durant obviously won a couple of championship as well. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.360 Kyrie Irving hit the bigger shot in Cleveland Cavaliers history. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.320 You know, he's won a championship. He's a proven All Star, 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.639 All NBA caliber player in this league. But he likes 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.280 the ball in his hands. Kevin Durant wants a ball 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.679 in his hands. James Harden, of course, needs a ball 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.320 in his hands. Can these three guys coexist on the 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.720 court and can the Brooklyn Nets ultimately be successful with 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:21.160 these three? 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.160 Well, it's the big question, isn't it. And you know 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.079 I'm skeptical. With talent, no doubt they can win a 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.680 championship and probably should win a championship, But you know, 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.320 you've got to think about. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.840 The people these guys surround themselves with. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.960 So Kyrie comes back and he's boys are talent him, mate, 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.600 you need to still go and get twenty five gilder Man. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.920 Those guys need to take a back seat to you 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.280 so they know who you are. And then you know, 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.640 James Harden's going there and he's trying to do the 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.880 right thing for a period of time because he's got 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.760 to fit into other people's teams. So you know, he 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.120 does the right thing for a period of time, but 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.880 ultimately the ego comes out as well, and his people 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:02.800 are telling him. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.040 Mate, you've still got to be able to do what 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:04.600 you're going to do. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.280 You've got averaging eighteen points a game, so they know 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:07.800 who you are. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:08.920 You need more usage. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:10.880 You need to show everybody that you can win a 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.000 championship and still average twenty eight to thirty points a game. 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.880 So ultimately, who's going to sacrifice? You know, when it 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.840 gets to the final stages. And now they'll get through 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.839 a season, they'll have some big wins, they'll have some 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.280 bad losses, we'll all talk about it, but they're going 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.800 to be judged when they start playing against real teams. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:28.640 And the big thing for. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.919 Me is I call hardin harm because I refuse to 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.160 put a Deni's name because that's the question mark. Will 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.520 he play any d whatsoever? And when it gets right 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.120 down to the finals, who's he going to defend? 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:42.920 And does he have. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.800 Enough pride to be able to stand up and give 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.200 themselves a chance to win a series against the quality team. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.640 I will say I was also skeptical of him, especially 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.919 the condition he was in down there in Houston. It 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.400 looked like he really wasn't in game shape. But the 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.919 first two games I thought he moved pretty well. I 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.960 thought defensively, he active at least there for Brooklyn, so 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.320 he was on his best behavior. But it's one thing 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.839 to do it for a couple of games. It's another 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.320 thing to do it for the entire season. And then again, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.120 of course in the playoffs when you're facing the same 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.800 team and teams look for weaknesses, they look for the 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.880 sort of guy they can exploit on the defensive end. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.200 So that's definitely going to be an issue there, I 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.000 think as well for the Nets going forward. But they've 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.640 got that offensive firepower where it's like, how do you 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.200 defend those guys as well? I mean, who you're going 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.360 to double off? If Kevin Durant's there, I mean, you're 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.000 going to leave James Harden open. You're going to leave 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.279 Kyrie Irving open. Jeff Green shown that he can hit 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.640 a three. Joe Harris is an incredible shooter of the ball. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.280 So they certainly bring a lot of threats out there 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.520 on the offensive end. Defense is certainly a question. So 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.800 this trade went, it happened. We heard that basically Ben 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.040 Simmons was going to the Houston Rockets. That's what it 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.760 seemed like. Apparently, according to reports, his agent was told 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.920 Ben Simmons is being traded and it fell through. If 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.919 you're Ben Simmons, how do you now sort of just 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.960 get over that and just go back to your team 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.800 knowing that you were virtually traded from your team? How 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.840 do you how do you deal with that emotionally? How 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.840 do you deal with that? You know mentally that your 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.799 team basically said we're moving on from you. The trade 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.640 falls through. Now you have to go back and just 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.279 pretend that nothing happened. Like, how difficult as an athlete 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.080 is it to deal with that situation? 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.479 Yeah, I'll get to Ben Simmons. I just want to 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.560 touch on one point you made about harm. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:23.400 He's on parole right now. He's been just there's no 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:24.039 doubt about that. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.000 So he knows everyone's looking at him, So he's a 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.080 little bit more active. What happens when he gets to 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:32.000 his normal tendencies and now you're playing, you know, year 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.279 twelve fifteen games a month, he gets back to not 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.039 playing d And the other question mark I got for 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.359 those guys is that the lack of movement. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.440 Those guys who want to play ISO basketball. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.880 All the time, and you look at some of the 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.640 greats and some of the teams that have been able 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:45.080 to make. 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.719 It work with Superstars and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.840 Obviously, with KD they move, they move those ball movement 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:52.599 player movement. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.640 Then they all get a piece of the action as well. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.599 That's the question mark for me about the NETS. But 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:57.560 with Ben. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:01.120 Simmons, I was hoping he was going to get traded. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.680 I think Ben Simmons needs a new start. I look 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.520 at him now and it's almost like, you know, he's 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.040 just conformed into this guy that's got so much talented, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.600 good defender, but he's playing within himself. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.280 His usage is low, he's not aggressive. I'm not of 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.000 the opinion that he needs. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.640 To go out and start shooting three, so I don't 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:21.800 think he has to, but. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.280 I think he still has to be aggressive. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.240 You know, his numbers have declined because he's not even 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.920 really taking it to people trying to score anymore. And 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.920 I think the great players balanced that up with being 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.600 aggressive to put points on the board, but then drawing 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.200 rotations and making it easier to be able to bring 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:38.320 other people into the game. 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.600 So I think he's a bit stale. I think deep. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.560 Down he probably would have been hurt with his ego 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:46.800 if he got traded, but he'd sort of be sitting 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:48.960 back now and going to He's probably would have been 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.720 a fresh start as well. I would have been playing 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.400 with different players that maybe complimented me a little bit more, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:54.920 and it would have been a new beginning. 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.840 When I look at Ben Simmons, you know, he's a 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:02.840 point guard. He's six', ten he's, strong he's, fast he's 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.920 got all the physical tools you can ask. For and 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.880 THEN i look at you were like five, eleven you, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:09.680 know not. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.040 S i was at least. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:17.880 Six but the Point i'm making, is you, know you 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.040 were undersized for your position, there you, know and so 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:23.880 if you went inside into the, paint you were going 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.440 up against guys who were like six, ten six, eleven you, 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.760 Know so you couldn't really go up and physically get 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:30.440 those guys out of the way or out jump them 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.400 Like Ben simmons. Can so you had to develop a 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.400 three point game or a different way to score the. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.720 Ball you. Know if you were to Coach Ben, simmons you, 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.199 know and again he doesn't have to Be Steph curry 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.200 from three point, range but how would you work with 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.000 him to, say, listen let's get a mid range game going? 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.560 Here let's just get some sort of reliable shot because, 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.440 again you, know you you made it against all, odds 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.880 probably in THE, NBA i, think you, know just because 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.080 again like you were going up against other point guards 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.600 who were probably six two and six, three so you 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.640 had to find a way to make it. Work how 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.839 would you know coach or Encourage ben to take advantage 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.760 of those physical attributes that he. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.440 Has, YEAH i think it starts with you, know as 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:13.280 soon as the season. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.960 Finishes it's about getting the technique, right you. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.440 Know AND i coach elite kids, now and it's, about you, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.920 know once you've got your technique, right and then you're 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.679 shooting with the right technique in close and then a 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.679 little bit further out and you're shooting. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.680 Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of shots a, day and. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.000 Then you're developing it off the drill and then you're 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:32.520 getting your step backs and everything. 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.679 Else for, me he's still. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:36.920 Flawed the ball's coming out of the wrong part of his, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.559 hand you, know he's biomechanics of everything isn't lined. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.280 Up so he doesn't have the confidence to be. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.000 Able to do it because it's just not natural for 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.720 him to be able to see the ball go through 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.840 the hoop of, practice And i'm not sure how much 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.400 work he's done to make that a priority to Say 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.040 i'm going to evolve my. Game so the fact that 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.680 he hasn't evolved he shot still shouldn't take away from 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:58.960 the fact that he should. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.720 Believe that he's An All star and to be An 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.560 All star at six,' ten and, you're right when he 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.400 goes into. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.520 The key he can go in and finish with, either hands 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.360 so well he's touched around the basket on his floats 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:11.240 and hooks. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:11.440 And everything else. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.560 Is unbelieved not to mention the fact that he's going 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.480 to gam it on people, as well that he should 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.680 be twenty points a game just by being able to 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.640 do that and improve his three point percentage. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:21.360 As Well and. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.920 I'm just not seeing his mindset for, whatever reason really 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.120 just be on that aggressive stage and feel like He's An. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.400 All, star, yeah well, WELL again i guess maybe that's. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.520 The Thing. In philadelphia there's been a lot of speculation 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.199 over the last couple. Of years, you know Is It ben, 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.880 simmons team Is It joel, Embiid's team and they kind 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:39.880 of do get in each other's way a little bit on, the, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.319 offensive END because i don't Think that ben spreads. The 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.079 floor and then You've Got joel embiid who likes to, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.400 shoot threes but he's not a great shooter of, Them 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.400 either so, you know you don't really want your big 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.719 man spending too much time on. The perimeter but you 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.079 also if your point guard's in the paint And He's, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.480 ben simmons you want him to be able to at 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.439 least turn a lot of those opportunities into high, percentage 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.200 looks which is unable to do or he's shown so 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.040 far he hasn't been able to really develop that. Consistent shot, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.120 BUT again i think like, any player, you know they've 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.120 always got something to, work on and you take all 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:09.920 those other things that he, does well, you know his, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.240 COURT vision i think he's got a good basketball. Like, 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.520 YOU defensively i think. HE'S incredible i think he should 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:18.000 be in line for all. Defensive teams so he brings 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.120 a lot to the table while he's still working on 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.880 other parts of. His game but that brings me to, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.079 you Know the australians we have IN the nba, right 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.800 now and one, IN particular I Think paddy mills is 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.800 having his best Season In san antonio coming off the 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.679 bench there averaging fourteen. A game he was shooting over 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.640 fifty percent. From three he's called off a. Little Bit 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.800 but paddy down there With, coach popovich who you obviously 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.679 played for there as well briefly there With The San. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.320 Antonio spurs did you you Know when patty made it 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.560 in when you was very very quick There in portland 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.640 in those first couple. Of seasons but did you see 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.520 him developing into the sort, of consistent reliable leader that 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:54.959 he's become down There In. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.080 San, antonio well he's always had. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.400 THIS talent i saw him as a teenage out Of 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:02.280 the Institute. Of sport he was there at the same 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:03.760 Time As joe ingles. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:04.160 And, you know. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.240 Unbelievable talent but he's continually been able. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.600 To evolve he's got a great, work ethic just that 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:10.439 pure shot. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.200 As well let's, Face it pop's been one of the 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.400 best defenders over the last ten Years Of paddy. 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:16.800 Mill's game paddy came. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.680 Out at the start of this season and, He said 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.080 i'm Going With. Olympic Paddy now i'm going with. The 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:22.320 mine i'm going. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:22.719 To go make. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.960 IT happen i reckon the last couple Of years paddy 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.800 could have played a much bigger role. 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.959 In doing the sort of things that he's. Doing now 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.080 it's almost like the shackles have been released a. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.600 Little bit like, you said almost fifteen points, a game 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.200 forty seven percent from the three. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:37.360 Point line and he's that sort of guy when he. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:38.920 Plays free he's not a. Point guard we. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.720 Know that, you know he's a, pesky defender but he 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.240 can shoot it, from anywhere. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.920 He can shoot. It quick he makes his team BETTER 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.040 and i think when you've. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:52.360 Got Guys like DeRozan there that creates so, much attention 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.160 he's perfect as that next sort of guy that can 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.400 put points on the board and do it quick. As 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:02.520 well so About time pop let Him loose paddy to 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:03.880 be able to do what he DOES. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.320 And i think he can do it for a long time. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.160 As well great team mate and he's Been great. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.319 AUSTRALIAN basketball I saw Patty in atlanta last Year after 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.040 australia BEAT the usa down in There, in MELBOURNE and, i, 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.880 said well, you know you must have been talking a 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:18.800 bit of Trash to pop, about that, you know like 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.680 that's their first loss since two thousand, and six and, he's, like, 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:23.880 ah yeah a little bit of, a JOKE but i 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.320 don't want to take it too long because, You know 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.600 pop's still my, coach NOW so i might spend are 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:29.400 a bit more time on the BENCH if i give 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.440 him too. Much lit but it is great To see 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.000 patty just develop and evolve into that leader that He's 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.120 come and that Game in Australia and melbourne last year 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.199 or you know those two games he really stepped up And, 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.480 carried australia which. Was great but Talking About greg, POPOVIC 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.440 again i know you spent some time There In, san 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.760 Antonio And andrew gayze did. As Well aaron bains has also, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.400 played there So so pop knows a lot About the. Australian, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.440 PLAYERS now i know you're only there a, short time 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.160 But did pop give you any of that legendary he? 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.400 Sort of, you know did he unload on you at? 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.560 Any point did he scream and yell or how is 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:05.319 your relationship? 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:05.400 With? 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.840 HIM no i mean he was he. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.000 WAS great i mean, for me it was so different 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.080 than my first him IN the nba because they were. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.400 ALREADY retired i just won a championship With The. SYDNEY kings, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:16.760 I said i'm going to hang up With the, BOOTS 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.360 now i was. THIRTY three, I said i'll play part Time. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.800 In europe i'd spent four Years in europe, all Together 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.320 so i'll just, go back, you know Play after christmas 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:26.920 and play for four or five months of. The year 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:28.440 and then all of, A sudden i get a call up, 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.680 to say can you come. To camp we're looking for 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.720 someone who can shoot the ball and stretch the Floor With. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.120 Timmy DUNCAN so i. WENT there i didn't have the 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.360 proper PRESEASON as i, should have and got the and, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.000 you know got cut a couple, of times and stayed 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.840 there for, three months and the Last time, pop said. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.840 We're about to make a. Few changes hang around for 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.920 the next, ten days and we think we're going to. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.520 Resign YOU but i signed straight Away in greece and 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:53.480 went on with it at. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.120 Different stage in. My life and, You know. Pop's great 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.120 he keeps, you honest no doubt. About that he's a 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.240 bit scary at, different stages and, he'll dunk and he's 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.800 in and out of when he's serious. Verse JOKING so 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.240 i can Understand what. Patty's saying but, you know just 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.960 the Culture And san antonio is incredible and the people 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.960 they select and they're superstars and when you have someone like, 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.320 You Know. Tim duncan and in the first VIDEO session i, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.840 WENT to i watched he Absolutely Ripped tim duncan in. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:21.880 The preseason and. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.200 What he did is he set the culture every other 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.640 player in the team to be able to accept bank coached, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.360 and criticism because, You know tim put his. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.600 Hand up, and, said, yep coach, my fault and here's 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.160 THIS superstar i. Don't reckon any other far in the 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.080 world would have been able to accept it and move 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:36.600 on and lay. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.760 That culture, You Know, andrew gaze he was on our. 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.320 SHOW once i used to have a SHOW ON, nba 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.280 tv and he came on and he actually said the 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.920 exact same thing that he Said, that pop, you know 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.720 almost as, an example would Call Out, tim duncan because, 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.240 it's like if coach is Calling Out, tim duncan then 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.000 player twelve thirteen on. The bench, you know there's no 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.400 special treatment for anybody. Out here, you know everyone gets the. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.280 Same treatment, But look pop's still. COACHING now i don't 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.800 know if you could believe that he'd still, be coaching 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.920 what seventeen years after you've played for him There In 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.960 san antonio and Again the spurs not really championship contender material, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.720 right now but always consistent and always in the, playoff 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:15.200 hunt which is half. The. Battle really they don't have 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:19.760 these huge peaks. And troughs they're just always consistent and continuing. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.640 To perform and again it's that defense that you never 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.480 ever See the spurs just play a bad, defensive game 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.560 which is just an incredible credit to what the Message 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.360 that pop's being able, to send especially now that he 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.280 Doesn't Have tim duncan, out there he Doesn't Have tony 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.920 parker and. Those legends who are you with that team 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.480 for such a. Long, time WELL. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.120 And i think the other thing too is that he 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.560 sets such a culture that anyone that Goes To san 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.200 antonio knows that you're going to have to, buy in, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.920 you know the expectations of the people that have come, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:48.480 before you. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:49.480 The Success that. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.200