Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the
Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. Opening up the playbook today
Speaker 1: on a very interesting and very specific topic, and it's
Speaker 1: a topic neither one of us have really ever discussed,
Speaker 1: but it came to us via social media and we
Speaker 1: have a special guest joining us a little later. But
Speaker 1: it is gender disappointment, and on its face, when you
Speaker 1: hear that, LZ, it has such a negative connotation, such
Speaker 1: a guilty negative connotation. We are here to dispel that.
Speaker 2: So I didn't even know this was a phrase, but
Speaker 2: because of this video, I was kind of googling it.
Speaker 2: Gender disappointment even has a Wikipedia entry, and yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just a really interesting concept because this woman posted a
Speaker 2: gender reveal and people have a lot to say about it,
Speaker 2: and her caption of her video was gender disappointment is real.
Speaker 2: So I start looking into that, and I do think
Speaker 2: people have strong opinions right away. A lot of people say,
Speaker 2: whatever your baby's going to be, you should just hope
Speaker 2: for a healthy baby, and of course we all hope
Speaker 2: for a healthy baby, but I also think we have
Speaker 2: to acknowledge what's real. I thought a lot about your kids,
Speaker 2: About Josh and Taylor, you have a boy and a girl,
Speaker 2: and let's even let's take parents and siblings and kids
Speaker 2: into it. Taylor has often said, oh, you know, it
Speaker 2: would have been great to have a sister, or Josh
Speaker 2: probably wishes he would have had a brother. I know
Speaker 2: my own brother has two sisters and has always said
Speaker 2: he wished he had a brother. So of course, in
Speaker 2: any family, you're going to kind of have feelings of, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, what if we'd had boys and girls, and
Speaker 2: you just think about your dynamic. Right.
Speaker 1: Can we all just come at this with an open heart,
Speaker 1: in an open mind, and an understanding that we all
Speaker 1: agree on a couple of principles. It's a blessing to
Speaker 1: have a child. Not everybody can. It's difficult. When you can,
Speaker 1: it is a blessing, and what you're really praying for
Speaker 1: as a healthy baby. We all can agree that is true.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, what you were just saying,
Speaker 1: LZ can also be true, and that is you can
Speaker 1: kind of hope for a boy or hope for a girl.
Speaker 1: In my family, it had been I think I've gone back.
Speaker 1: It's been it was like forty five or fifty years
Speaker 1: of all boys in my family, what all boys like
Speaker 1: from I had a cousin. I'm the youngest of seven cousins,
Speaker 1: so what two or three cousins ahead of me was
Speaker 1: a girl? That was the last girl through all the
Speaker 1: rest of the cousins, including myself, and then I want
Speaker 1: to say, nine great grandchildren over forty eight or fifty years.
Speaker 1: So when I had, my brother had.
Speaker 3: Two boys and it's just you and your brother.
Speaker 1: You have no trus me and my brother. And then
Speaker 1: my brother had two boys ahead of me. And then
Speaker 1: I had, I got pregnant and it was a boy.
Speaker 1: It was Joshua. Then we got pregnant again, and I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I was kind of hoping it was going
Speaker 1: to be the first girl born in our family in
Speaker 1: fifty years. And I was excited to have a baby.
Speaker 1: And if I had another boy, my god, I would
Speaker 1: have been blessed and happy. But when I found out
Speaker 1: it was a girl, I cried. I was so happy
Speaker 1: to tell my grandmother, We're going to have a girl finally.
Speaker 1: So you know, you and I talk about this a lot,
Speaker 1: and it comes up a lot two things and even
Speaker 1: multiple things can be true at once totally.
Speaker 2: And you know, I know with my little brother, he
Speaker 2: was my dad. He was gonna be my parents' last baby.
Speaker 2: They knew that my dad had had girls, and then
Speaker 2: he got a boy, and he was so happy. I
Speaker 2: distinctly remember I was like eight, and I remember going
Speaker 2: to toys Rs With my dad and him picking out
Speaker 2: like a football and a baseball bat when my mom
Speaker 2: had just given birth, and I remember saying him, Dad,
Speaker 2: I think he's too small for this stuff.
Speaker 1: By the way, I can totally relate to your dad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bought Joshua like Cowboys Dallas Cowboys gear, like all
Speaker 1: this stuff that anyways.
Speaker 3: Eight pounds, right.
Speaker 2: But you know, I often think that when people are projecting,
Speaker 2: like putting negative or critical comments online, first of all,
Speaker 2: a lot of the time it's bots. Everyone just be
Speaker 2: aware of that, trying to cause controversy and get comments
Speaker 2: going on on websites, so the engagement looks high.
Speaker 1: I witnessed a lot of that.
Speaker 3: And we sure did and we felt it.
Speaker 2: But I do think when people are truly being harsh,
Speaker 2: it's coming from their own pain a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: and that doesn't make it okay. But I just try
Speaker 2: to remember it. And I think that you know, listen,
Speaker 2: we live in a time where I think we've made
Speaker 2: some really great strides about gender not being such a
Speaker 2: strong identifier and it not defining you so much. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, gender also like unites us in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. And I know, I love my girlfriends,
Speaker 2: and guys need their guy friends and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So it totally makes sense that people could be excited
Speaker 2: about having boys or girls. And then it also makes
Speaker 2: sense that people might say, oh, you know, I was
Speaker 2: really hoping to have a boy.
Speaker 3: I was hoping for a girl.
Speaker 1: And if this doesn't resonate with you because you feel
Speaker 1: the way LS was just talking, that's great too. Like
Speaker 1: nobody is saying all things need to be true for
Speaker 1: all people. It's just there are moms and dads out
Speaker 1: there that really do feel this from time to time,
Speaker 1: and siblings. And the whole point of this and the
Speaker 1: whole point of all of our podcasts is to just
Speaker 1: make you okay with the fact that you've had those feelings,
Speaker 1: make you realize you're not alone.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a question about when you had kids, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you then got a boy and a girl. Is
Speaker 2: that part of why you didn't have more kids? Like,
Speaker 2: say you'd gotten two boys, do you think you would
Speaker 2: have had a third child?
Speaker 1: We I will be very revealing and honest here. We
Speaker 1: had what's called the king's choice, older boy, younger girl.
Speaker 1: Someone told me another phrase, I haven't someone explained that
Speaker 1: to me that way, that it's it's the king's choice,
Speaker 1: because I guess you know air And so I was
Speaker 1: so happy that I had one of each. I have
Speaker 1: one sibling, so two kids. My brother had two kids.
Speaker 1: It just felt symbiotic and.
Speaker 2: Right, it makes sense your ex is a child of
Speaker 2: two also, so you guys were familiar with two kids situations.
Speaker 1: We thought we were pregnant with a third and technically
Speaker 1: we were and it didn't turn out, and so clearly
Speaker 1: we didn't have a third child, and it was unfortunate,
Speaker 1: but it also kind of gave us the feeling of
Speaker 1: if it had happened, we would have been so happy
Speaker 1: and had a third baby. But we realized, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're good, and that's when we decided we weren't going
Speaker 1: to have any more kids. So, yeah, it was something
Speaker 1: that kind of just happened to us and with us.
Speaker 1: But that was definitely part of it of having I
Speaker 1: got my boy, got my girl, I'm good like I'm good.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah you've never shared that with me before.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm sorry, but I mean it's no matter what,
Speaker 2: it's a loss. And as you're saying that, I'm sitting
Speaker 2: here thinking, I get how two things can be true,
Speaker 2: because what's interesting is well, like, for example, my little
Speaker 2: brother was an accident. He knows this a blessing. Well
Speaker 2: at the time, my mom told me later when she
Speaker 2: found out she was pregnant, she cried out of sadness.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, because she was so ready to get back
Speaker 2: to her career. Yeah, and that was her plan.
Speaker 1: She had you and your sister.
Speaker 2: And so it's just really interesting. How like I say
Speaker 2: this from a place of zero judgment whatsoever, Like we
Speaker 2: all have to be empathetic to each other and know that,
Speaker 2: you know, just because someone's having feelings in a certain way,
Speaker 2: that's their life and it doesn't discount your feelings and
Speaker 2: it isn't them trying to say that your pain isn't real.
Speaker 2: But how these different, You know, we can all have
Speaker 2: different takeaways from these situations.
Speaker 1: And even for your mom again, so many things can
Speaker 1: be true at once.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now she loves my brother.
Speaker 1: Well, and we all love John, but all you know,
Speaker 1: so many things can be true at once. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think this black and white world we live
Speaker 1: in these days where social media you have to jump
Speaker 1: on this side or this side, and if you jump
Speaker 1: on this side, it means everything, and if you jump
Speaker 1: on this side, it means everything in totality, and that's
Speaker 1: never the case in anything in life. There are so
Speaker 1: many layers. Take your mom for example. She could be
Speaker 1: upset in that moment, she could have those genuine feelings
Speaker 1: and at the same time feel so excited and blessed
Speaker 1: that she's having another baby. That is so important and
Speaker 1: for some reason in our lives we realize this and
Speaker 1: feel these things, but then when we're on social media,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you have to feel all of this
Speaker 1: or you're wrong. And so I think this is one
Speaker 1: of those topics. And again, this is why I wanted
Speaker 1: to dive into it, because people are going to have,
Speaker 1: I think, very visceral reactions to this.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I think part of the reaction
Speaker 2: to this video, this viral video with Kendrick, who we're
Speaker 2: going to bring on is is also people have very
Speaker 2: big reactions to gender reveals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Thing, Yeah do you We never did one, by.
Speaker 2: The way, I don't think it was a thing years ago,
Speaker 2: and I don't know when it became a thing.
Speaker 1: Eighteen years ago we had Taylor, it was it's not
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Well, and they've been problematic, they've caused chaos, they've gone
Speaker 2: viral for bad reasons. But I'm not a Again, it's
Speaker 2: sort of interesting in this time when we're like gender's fluid,
Speaker 2: and that is really a movement. We also have made
Speaker 2: very popular this gender reveal thing, which really is is
Speaker 2: it a boy or girl?
Speaker 3: And pick one?
Speaker 2: And I'm not against gender reveals. I'm against them being
Speaker 2: done in ways where they can har others, hurt harm others. Yes,
Speaker 2: some have gotten really stupid. Can we just cut a
Speaker 2: cake and keep it easy? Some get out of control?
Speaker 1: Like I think it's cute if you know the guy
Speaker 1: hits a golf ball and it explodes pink or blue?
Speaker 1: You pop a balloon and it's either pink or blue inside?
Speaker 1: Or what this woman we're about to bring on Kendra.
Speaker 1: They lit a smoke bomb and a jack of lantern
Speaker 1: because clearly it's Halloween and the pink smoke or the
Speaker 1: blue smoke comes out, so and that point that is
Speaker 1: what drove this whole concept in this idea. Today was
Speaker 1: this viral video that came out on I saw it
Speaker 1: on TikTok of this woman, Kendra, who's already a mother
Speaker 1: of three, and her and her husband and her three
Speaker 1: girls are all dressed up and they're fall colors and
Speaker 1: they're in the woods and they have a jackal lantern
Speaker 1: and immediately the pink smoke starts billowing out of the
Speaker 1: jack lantern. And her reaction is so genuine and so
Speaker 1: honest because it was spur of the moment. And remember,
Speaker 1: she has all the emotions of being pregnant, and she
Speaker 1: starts to cry. She bends over, doubles over, and starts
Speaker 1: to cry, and the older sister is kind of upset.
Speaker 1: She wanted a little brother. Nobody really knew what to
Speaker 1: do in the moment because everything was just so real
Speaker 1: and so raw. And she posted this and I thought,
Speaker 1: what a vulnerable, honest thing to post, because it's really
Speaker 1: easy to be especially in this day and age. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I know afraid of being canceled. So she could have
Speaker 1: easily hid this, but she felt that this gender disappointment
Speaker 1: is a real thing and it's something she felt, and
Speaker 1: so we chased her down and we we have her
Speaker 1: on the podcast today. So let's bring her on. So, Kendra,
Speaker 1: first of all, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: It's good to meet you. Nice too, And just so
Speaker 1: everybody knows the timeline you actually have post posted this.
Speaker 1: So your daughter has been born. She's beautiful, healthy, happy,
Speaker 1: congratulations on being a mother of four beautiful girls, very blessed.
Speaker 1: But you posted this about a year later after your
Speaker 1: daughter was born. What prompted you to kind of open
Speaker 1: up and be vulnerable and show that you actually were
Speaker 1: in the moment anyway, you're not disappointed that you have
Speaker 1: a beautiful girl, but in the moment you were disappointed.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even like it wasn't even that I was
Speaker 4: unhappy with the fact that it was a girl. It
Speaker 4: was more of the fact that, like, for a split second,
Speaker 4: I had a very big moment obviously of sadness that
Speaker 4: I will never experience, like having a boy, having a son,
Speaker 4: having a mommy's boy. You know, I have a lot
Speaker 4: of nephews, so I see the bonds and I just
Speaker 4: had a moment where I was upset that, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm never going to experience having a son because.
Speaker 3: You knew this was going to be your last pregnancy.
Speaker 4: You just said, yes, yes, it was going to be
Speaker 4: my last pregnancy. It was very different actually could have
Speaker 4: been in my head, but it was very different from
Speaker 4: my other three pregnancies. So I saw it was a boy.
Speaker 4: My husband was like, it's a girl, like for sure,
Speaker 4: and I was like, no, mom knows. So I just
Speaker 4: I just going in thought it was going to be
Speaker 4: a boy. And just I mean, I wasn't even sad
Speaker 4: that it was a girl. It was just like just
Speaker 4: that it of like sadness that I was never gonna get.
Speaker 3: That's so so much sense to me. I think that's
Speaker 3: so beautifully put.
Speaker 2: You're not sad about what's happening, but you are sad
Speaker 2: about something you know won't happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean I definitely like a lot of
Speaker 4: friends and family that I shared with the pictures. You know,
Speaker 4: I posted the pictures to Instagram, and so I mean
Speaker 4: the pictures are on that video as well, and you
Speaker 4: could see I obviously was upset, but all my friends
Speaker 4: and family, like, you know, we're very supportive, and I
Speaker 4: mean it was obviously once that initial were off, I
Speaker 4: was like, how freaking awesome, I'm gonna have four girls.
Speaker 4: Like I am just like happy that it's a healthy baby.
Speaker 4: I'm like thriving.
Speaker 1: You know what, what I think is interesting. And Lauren
Speaker 1: and I bring up topics all the time, you know
Speaker 1: that really strike a chord, And I think it's just
Speaker 1: because we don't talk about a lot of this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Laura and I dove into miscarriages one day and
Speaker 1: just little just topics like this that are taboo and
Speaker 1: they just we whisper them in corners, but we don't
Speaker 1: really admit that we have these feelings. And that's why
Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on. That's why I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about this today. When you posted this, was
Speaker 1: the response overwhelming of oh my gosh, thank you, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt this too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, I had an overwhelming amount of
Speaker 4: positive comments. I had like a handful of negative. It
Speaker 4: definitely was way more overpowered by positive and a lot
Speaker 4: of people that like resided in like my the way
Speaker 4: I felt, and they're like, oh my gosh, like I
Speaker 4: experienced that as well, Like thank you for like I
Speaker 4: don't feel like a monster anymore.
Speaker 5: Like I you know, I had the same thing.
Speaker 4: People made me feel horrible about it, and you know,
Speaker 4: like so many, like so many positive comments.
Speaker 5: I was overwhelmed.
Speaker 4: I think even one of my comments are on there
Speaker 4: was like, I'm so overwhelmed with the amount of like
Speaker 4: positivity and feedback I got because I never really thought
Speaker 4: when I posted it it was gonna blow up.
Speaker 5: Like I just.
Speaker 4: Everyone was sharing their pumpkin trend photos and.
Speaker 3: I know more about about Halloween.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like excited, like feeling October, you know,
Speaker 4: all fall feels, and I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 4: post my gender reveal, like, you know, maybe somebody will
Speaker 4: you know, reside with it.
Speaker 2: I was also wondering, Kendra, if you were It's I
Speaker 2: love hearing that you got positivity and that people related,
Speaker 2: because that's the best possible outcome of social media. But
Speaker 2: I was wondering if you were apprehensive or nervous at
Speaker 2: all that people would attack you for having a feeling
Speaker 2: that you wished for a certain gender.
Speaker 4: Yes, definitely why I waited like almost two years to post,
Speaker 4: you know, post it. I mean obviously everyone knew already that,
Speaker 4: you know, I was, you know, at least close friends
Speaker 4: and family that I was disappointed. But the Internet opens
Speaker 4: you up to a lot more, you know, comments on
Speaker 4: your life and stuff, So I mean I definitely was hesitant,
Speaker 4: And you know, I definitely don't want people to ever
Speaker 4: think that I don't love my baby or I just
Speaker 4: didn't want a healthy baby. I am so grateful that
Speaker 4: I got a healthy baby. I'm so grateful for all
Speaker 4: of my girls.
Speaker 5: I love them.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't change my life for anything. I'm meant to
Speaker 4: be a girl mom, that's for sure. Clearly, I enjoy
Speaker 4: my nephews a lot, so I get all the boy
Speaker 4: love through my nephews. And I mean, yes, I was
Speaker 4: definitely scared to speak out about my feelings and clearly,
Speaker 4: you know a lot of people were upset with it.
Speaker 4: So but it is not I'm not trying to disregard
Speaker 4: anyone's feelings by any means. I just, you know, I
Speaker 4: was hoping to reach an audience of people that could
Speaker 4: reside with how I was feeling as well.
Speaker 1: There's always, you know, no shortage of people that are
Speaker 1: willing to tell you how to live your life because
Speaker 1: they know they know best.
Speaker 2: After all, I also thought it was interesting, Kendra, like
Speaker 2: watching your Well, what makes this video stick out so much,
Speaker 2: I think is that you, as a mom are having
Speaker 2: this reaction about not having a boy. So many I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of other videos where the dad's upset
Speaker 2: he's not getting a boy, and then people kind of comment, oh,
Speaker 2: typical guy.
Speaker 3: But do you think that's part of why it stuck
Speaker 3: out to people?
Speaker 2: And what did people say to you in the comments
Speaker 2: about you being a mom wishing you were getting among.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, a lot of comments.
Speaker 4: Did you know note to the fact that like, oh,
Speaker 4: if the husband were to react like that, people would
Speaker 4: have like a heyday, right. And I mean I think
Speaker 4: my husband going in, you know, knew it was a girl,
Speaker 4: so you know. And also he loves his daddy's girls.
Speaker 4: They take care of him, you know, so he gets
Speaker 4: you know, he's got that and he loves it. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's hard because, you know, I think what stuck
Speaker 4: out a lot was my older daughter.
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, she has.
Speaker 3: A stronger action.
Speaker 1: You can clearly see she wants to be an older
Speaker 1: sister to a brother.
Speaker 4: Second, I gave her the second I was pregnant with
Speaker 4: my second baby. She was like I want a brother,
Speaker 4: Like I want a brother, I want somebody to play,
Speaker 4: you know, in the dirt. She was definitely more like
Speaker 4: you know, forty, she's you know, more into like getting
Speaker 4: down in the dirt and biking and stuff. So she's like,
Speaker 4: I want a brother, you know. So then it was
Speaker 4: like a sister, and it was another sister. Of course,
Speaker 4: you know, everyone said, you know, I put it in
Speaker 4: her head, but she was very you know, yeah, she
Speaker 4: wanted brother.
Speaker 5: You know. That's and I feel like that was natural
Speaker 5: for her.
Speaker 4: You know, I would never put that in my kid's
Speaker 4: head to like want a certain gender. But I feel
Speaker 4: like all of my kids' reactions. I mean, obviously my
Speaker 4: three year old at the time, she was more scared
Speaker 4: of the smoke, but you know, my second daughter, she's
Speaker 4: like jomping up for joy.
Speaker 5: So I'm just like pop pop. So I think all
Speaker 5: of our reactions all over the board is what really
Speaker 5: made the video.
Speaker 1: I just liked how genuine the reactions were. I mean,
Speaker 1: your your reaction was immediate, instantaneous, so it was just
Speaker 1: so real to me. I loved and I could relate
Speaker 1: to your husband who immediately kind of had that thousand
Speaker 1: yard stare of I don't know what to do, which
Speaker 1: often we as husbands have that moment of oh god,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna rub her back and I'm going to
Speaker 1: stay silent. And I loved it. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was a friend, a photographer, or family. Someone tried
Speaker 1: to be a hype and in the moment of like
Speaker 1: girl gang, yeah, like trying to like pump everybody up.
Speaker 1: It was really like everything was so natural and so genuine.
Speaker 1: That's what I really loved about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was it was just a small moment,
Speaker 4: like I we weren't going to do a photo shoot,
Speaker 4: but you know, I was reminded it was my last pregnancy.
Speaker 4: They're like, you know, do a gender reveal. And I
Speaker 4: was scared to do a gender reveal for that, but
Speaker 4: you know, it was my last pregnancy and I wanted
Speaker 4: to do a cute thing, and so it was it
Speaker 4: was just like family and that's it. It wasn't a party.
Speaker 4: We didn't like throw a whole thing. No, I know.
Speaker 3: That's another thing.
Speaker 2: People are so critical of the gender reveals because of
Speaker 2: like which I mean, it's not totally without me.
Speaker 3: Like one gender burned down forests in California.
Speaker 5: But and it was it was very simple. We actually
Speaker 5: told our kids that day that we were pregnant.
Speaker 3: Would you would you what was that like?
Speaker 2: So they found out you were pregnant and the gender
Speaker 2: all in one day.
Speaker 3: What was that like? And would you recommend that method
Speaker 3: to other?
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel kind of bad because you know,
Speaker 4: I guess I did kind of bombard them with like, hey,
Speaker 4: you're getting a sibling. Oh and then here it is
Speaker 4: boy or girl. But in the other video, you know,
Speaker 4: my oldest was is it a boy or girl? Immediately
Speaker 4: when I told her, you know, that I was pregnant,
Speaker 4: and I told all my family by videoing them and
Speaker 4: saying like one, two, three moments pregnant And so you know,
Speaker 4: that's why we wanted to photograph them and their reaction.
Speaker 2: To news so well, you all looked so cute. You
Speaker 2: were coordinated for the moment. It was so the fall
Speaker 2: vibes were on point. And then I love how this
Speaker 2: video has blown up.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason we wanted to have you on was
Speaker 1: just that just to relate to other people, other parents
Speaker 1: who have had these feelings, who either held them in,
Speaker 1: swallowed them, or you know, felt guilty about expressing them.
Speaker 1: These are all natural things and it's you know, I
Speaker 1: find it very ironic when people try to shout you
Speaker 1: down for expressing the feelings you have because they want
Speaker 1: you to feel how they think you should feel, which
Speaker 1: is very interesting because the whole point is to be
Speaker 1: able to express how you're feeling and not feel guilty
Speaker 1: about it. And I know a lot of parents have
Speaker 1: been in your shoes before, and I think you just
Speaker 1: really brought to light something that we have all felt before.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much, Kender And by the way,
Speaker 1: belatedly congratulations you have such a beautiful family. And by
Speaker 1: the way, the whole point of this was, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to do a gender reveal because it's the last one.
Speaker 1: It's one you're never going to forget.
Speaker 4: Ever, I'll never forget it. I'm very happy, so lucky. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I'd love my girls. Wouldn't change the world.
Speaker 1: God bless you and your family.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much. You have a great day.
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