1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always by my trusted 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: colleague West Hodcots. We're coming to you here from our 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: studios at lambeau Field to preview Sunday's game. It will 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: be the Packers against the Giants from the Meadowlands, a 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: noon Central time kickoff. I call MetLife Stadium the Big 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: tin Can in Jersey. West calls it the Big air Conditioner. 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Whatever the case, it's a road trip for the Packers 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: West against a two and eight Giants team that a 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: is much better than two and eight would ever suggest, 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 2: and B that is going through a huge transition with 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: an interim head coach and now a brand new starting quarterback. 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: This has been quite the week. 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's tough. 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 4: It's a tough deal because it is the National Football League. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 4: We all just stare at records and we say, hey, 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 4: this team is good, this team is okay, and this 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 4: team is bad. Because that's the amoument of analysis. Most 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 4: people on their coach are willing to wager on these 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 4: type of things. But I mean, there's probably been no 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: team in the National Football League that's lost more heartbreaking 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: games than the New York Giants on par this season. 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 4: I thought their performance against the New or i should 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: say the Chicago Bears sort of was the perfect encapsulation 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 4: of everything they've gone through this season, where Jackson Dart 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: has given them some hope. They got off to a 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: nice lead, dark ends up getting the concussion leaves and 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 4: everything slips away, and it just seems like whatever guy 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 4: specifically on the offensive side of the ball has kind 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 4: of given them some hope, that guy is immediately removed 32 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 4: from the equation, whether it's Moliku Neighbors, whether it's Cam Scatibow, 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: or now obviously with Dart, and hopefully Dart everything works 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: out okay for him. A very exciting young player. But 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 4: from the Green Bay Packers standpoint, this this is a 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: game you have to win, and they have to do 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: it on the road against one of the more enigmatic 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: quarterbacks I think you would say in maybe modern NFL history. 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 4: I mean, this guy is the ultimate scattershot but also 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 4: the ultimate gamer. Yeah. 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: I want to get to Jamis Winston in just a second, 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: but you mentioned kind of how things have gone wrong 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: for the Giants before firing head coach Brian Dable. This 44 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: past week, they have blown four double digit leads on 45 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: the way to those eight losses. And to correct the record, 46 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: somebody in Insider Inbox questioned me because I had written 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: in Tuesday morning I had written they had blown four 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: double digit leads in the second half, and I was 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: not entirely correct. I corrected it in this morning's Insider Inbox. 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: They have blown four double digit leads. Two of them 51 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: were in the second quarter, not the second half, over 52 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: the Cowboys and the Saints, and they lost both those games. 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 2: And then they've blown two double digit leads in the 54 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: fourth quarter, the one against the Bears this past week, 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: and then earlier the really bad one was against the 56 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: Denver Broncos. They were up nineteen to nothing going into 57 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, twenty six to eight at one stage 58 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: of the fourth quarter, and they let that one get away. 59 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: And as we all know, the Denver Broncos are eight 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: and two and the Giants are two and eight. So 61 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: it isn't it isn't all about the records in this league. 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, yes, the record 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: is what everybody looks at. But Mike Kafka, the former 64 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: Northwestern University quarterback is now the interim coach offensive coordinator 65 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: for the Giants, taking over. He's keeping the play calling duties, 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: taking over as the interim head coach for Dable. And 67 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: he made the announcement right away early in the week 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: that despite Russell Wilson being the number two quarterback, he 69 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: was the guy who came off the bench when Dart 70 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: went out with the concussion in Chicago and that game 71 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: got away. He and Kafka announced right away Jamis Winston 72 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: would be elevated to essentially darts back up and is 73 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: going to start the game because Dart is in concussion protocol. 74 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: So you look at Jameis Winston, you said it was enigmatic. 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: I think is a pretty good word for this guy. 76 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: His last full season as a starting quarterback was twenty 77 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: nineteen in Tampa Bay. He threw for five thousand yards. 78 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: It's not that long of a list of quarterbacks in 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: NFL history you've had a five thousand yard season. He 80 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: threw five thousand yards with thirty three touchdown passes and 81 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: thirty interceptions. This is a guy that reminds me of 82 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: how Brett Farve has often talked about his career because 83 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: Brett fav is the all time leader in interceptions in 84 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: the NFL, and when he's asked about that, he says, well, 85 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: you have to be pretty good to be allowed to 86 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 2: throw that many interceptions, right, And Jameis Winston, he just 87 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: as Matt Leafleur said, he lets it rip. He plays 88 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: with no fear. He plays almost with no conscience in 89 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: a sense out there on the field, and the Packers 90 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: have to be ready for anything defensively for what Winston 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: might try to do. 92 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 4: So you and I this week, even before the announcement 93 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: was made with Dart, you could kind of see where 94 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 4: things were trending, especially with some of the history this season, 95 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: the way he plays the position itself, we were kind 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: of preparing that this was ultimately going to be a 97 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: backup situation for the New York Giants. And if you 98 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 4: break it down, certainly, I think Kafka, as he's starting 99 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 4: his next era here, probably wants to get some fresh 100 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 4: energy in there. There is some negative vibes there after 101 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: they collapse at the end of that Chicago game with 102 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: Russell Wilson out there. Wilson didn't play particularly well earlier 103 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 4: this season, and if you go off track record, Russell 104 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 4: Wilson other than that NFC Championship game, the second half 105 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 4: of that NFC Championship game in fourteen, has been pretty 106 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 4: bad against the Green Bay Packers. Historically, he has the 107 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 4: lowest passer rating against them than any other team that 108 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 4: he's ever faced in the NFL. And there's a pretty 109 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 4: good sample size now as well with that. So going 110 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: with Winston who has had some success against Green Bay, 111 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: and also you saw what he did last year for Cleveland, 112 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 4: where yeah, it eventually got off the rails a little bit, 113 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 4: but that initial burst that he was out there, it 114 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 4: brought some life, it brought some energy, and it changed 115 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 4: the culture there a little bit, especially after everything that 116 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: happened early on with the Browns and what had been 117 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: going on with Deshaun Watson. So now he enters into 118 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: this situation and we were watching him at his podium 119 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: this week his first availability. I mean, the guy singing Hamilton, 120 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: He's just he's so off the cuff. In addition to 121 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: the fact that what have I always said about the 122 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: best backup quarterbacks in the NFL, they always are a 123 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 4: little bit agents of chaos. There's always just something there 124 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 4: where it's like they're dangerous, but it can go both ways. 125 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, backup quarterbacks. 126 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: In some ways, they don't want the game to be 127 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: normal because then it works against them, right, I mean 128 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: agent of chaos. That's a great phrase, and it works 129 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: for some guys. 130 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: I mean, look, and I think Malik Willis has a 131 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: bright future in this lee. But when he got put 132 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: in there in nineteen days, notice they had to just 133 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 4: kind of do some weird stuff just to make it 134 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 4: all work there at first started against Indianapolis. So I 135 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: think this is the the antennas have to be up 136 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 4: for the Packers in this one. Absolutely unequivocally. You have 137 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: to be ready for everything. Now that being said, you 138 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 4: want to give respect to Kafka, who, by the way, 139 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 4: I don't know if you looked at this, but these 140 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: ages on these head coaches, man, are getting closer to 141 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: me now. It's getting weird for so long, Like even 142 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: when Matt Lafleur got named head coach and he was 143 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 4: thirty nine, I'm like, oh, it's down the line now, 144 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: Kafka thirty eight. It's like, wow, we're here, bro, it's 145 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: happening now. But the main difference makers offensively for them, 146 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: they're they're gone right now. So it has been, and 147 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: they have a very long injury list this week. So 148 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 4: as much as you tip your cap to Winston, you 149 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: show them that respect. There is a reason why the 150 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: Giants are in the position they're in right now. And 151 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: whether it's Tyrone Tracy, obviously you know Darius Slayton, who's 152 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 4: also on the injury report this week, they have some 153 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: Window Robinson. They have guys that can hurt you. But 154 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: the the Neighbors, the scata Bows and obviously the Darts, 155 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 4: who's their second leading rusher right now, are not gonna 156 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: be on the field someday. 157 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 158 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: Jameis Winston is a guy who he doesn't change his stripes, right, 159 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: I mean you even go you even look at last year, 160 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: which was five years after his five thousand yard season, 161 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: he starts seven games for the Cleveland Browns, and in 162 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: those seven games he throws thirteen touchdown passes and twelve interceptions. 163 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just that's just who he is. He's 164 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: We're having a discussion at lunch yesterday actually in one 165 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: of our one of our colleagues said, uh, man, Jamis 166 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: Winston can throw some dimes, and I said, yeah, but 167 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: part of the problem is he tries to throw every dive, 168 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: you know, but that's that's the way he plays. And 169 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: you but you have to respect it, right. You can't 170 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: just assume that that that he's gonna throw you the ball, 171 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: that interceptions are automatic. He you know, he doesn't have 172 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: Molik neighbors out there. But Wandale Robinson is the Giants 173 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: leading receiver. Darius Slayton made a couple catches against a 174 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: couple of big catches against Chicago last week. One thing 175 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: that I'll be curious to see with regard to Winston 176 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: in this game is how much does he use his legs? 177 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 2: How much does he run? Because Jackson Dart and unfortunately 178 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: it's what has led to some of the concussion issues 179 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: with Dart. But Jackson Dart brought something to that Giants 180 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: offense with his mobility and his run and his running, 181 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: whether it was sometimes designed runs or just the scrambling 182 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: to get away and to make things happen. And Winston 183 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: is a guy who's certainly done that in his career. 184 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: But he's also not twenty four years old anymore. So 185 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: I'm curious to see to see how that goes. 186 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: Fortunately for Jamis, he wasn't around in the nineties I 187 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 4: think if that guy would have been in the NFL 188 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: in the eighties and nineties, he probably would have just 189 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: been a starter. 190 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: No one would have thought twice about it. 191 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no not. 192 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 4: But unfortunately the interception thing became kind of a big 193 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 4: deal now in the NFL. And shoot, if you throw 194 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 4: over an eighty seven seen game season, if you throw 195 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: fifteen picks, you're not people are. 196 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: You're not protecting the ball? 197 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: Well enough? 198 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. 199 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 4: Well. 200 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: On the defensive side, West this is a this is 201 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: a very interesting Giants team because they have a defensive 202 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: front with four first round picks Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence 203 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: Abdua Carter, and Keveon Thibodeau. Four first round picks on 204 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: that defensive front, and Brian Burns is up there. He's 205 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: got eleven sacks, which is tied with Miles Garrett for 206 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: the most sacks in the NFL this season. It's a 207 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: pass rush that is extremely formidable, and somehow that pass 208 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: rush did not sack Caleb Williams once in the game 209 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 2: against the Bears last week. Caleb Williams was just escaping 210 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: left and right, making just these unbelievable moves to get 211 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: out of trouble in the pocket, and the fact that 212 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: that pass rush didn't have any sacks in that game 213 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: was remarkable, and you tip your cap to Caleb Williams 214 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: in that regard. But the flip side of it with 215 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: this defensive front is they're ranked thirty first in the 216 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 2: league against the run. They've allowed one hundred and fifty 217 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: two rushing yards per game for the season. I believe 218 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: the average rushing yards is one hundred and seventy eight 219 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: over the last four games. Now, some of that, certainly 220 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: last week with Caleb Williams, some of that has been 221 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: quarterback scrambles, not the traditional running plays that they accounts 222 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: as rushing yards, and it goes against them when these 223 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: quarterbacks do get away from the pass rush and take 224 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 2: off and run. But for all the talk this week 225 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: about the Packers needing to be more effective with the 226 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: running game and for this offense to really be able 227 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: to hit it stride and get going where it wants 228 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: to go, this is the opportunity you're waiting for. 229 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 4: On equivocally again, you mentioned the thirty second in the 230 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 4: league or thirty first in the league, and rushing they're 231 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: dead last yards per Carrie allowed five point five to 232 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: three yards per carry is a lot. 233 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: That is a big number. 234 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: When you're getting above five and then you're almost halfway 235 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 4: to six, that shows that there's some issues there. What 236 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 4: I will say is I think if there was ever 237 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 4: a time and the Green Bay's been trying as they 238 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 4: might to get the run game going, this is the 239 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: type opponent you want to do it against. I haven't 240 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 4: broken down and watched every single Giants game this year. 241 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 4: I've seen a few, and I don't know how much 242 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 4: of the issues at the run game are guys selling 243 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 4: out or just guys at the second level not tackling properly. 244 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 4: But the Giants are dangerous. And the reason I say 245 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 4: that is one Brian Burns. You go back and you 246 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: had to hear me talk about it six years ago. 247 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 4: He was one of my favorite guys in the nineteen draft. 248 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 4: The Packers ended up with a really good pass rusher too, 249 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 4: and Rashan Gary, but I absolutely love Brian Burns, and 250 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: for Carolina to allow him, and there was a lot 251 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 4: of stuff that happened there, but for them to allow 252 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: him to get out of the building, I thought it 253 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 4: was a really salient. 254 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: Move for the Giants to go get him. 255 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: Really want to quickly run these stats at you, because 256 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 4: the eleven sacks is really impressive. But check this out, 257 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: Michael seventeen quarterback hits among those six pass deflections, two 258 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: force fumbles. It's not that he just gets to the quarterback. 259 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: He's affecting the all around football game if you allow 260 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 4: him to pin his ears back and get after you. 261 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 4: You know, Abdul Carter only has a half sack this year, 262 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 4: but he has eight quarterback hits. Kevon Thibodeau nine quarterback hits. 263 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: They have guys that will pressure the quarterback. So if 264 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: you don't actually win those early downs and they get 265 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 4: to third and manageable third and long, they are going 266 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 4: to get after you. The Packers have to find some 267 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 4: answers for that. And to me, not to get into 268 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: the keys of victory, but establishing Josh Jacobs establishing this 269 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 4: run game is going to be huge. Was talking with 270 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 4: Sean Ryan about this in the locker room on Wednesday 271 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 4: when he was asked about the focus for this game 272 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 4: and he said, run. 273 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 2: The ball, yeah, yeah, and we will. Let's dive right 274 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: into the keys to victory because as we do this, 275 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 2: I'm reminded and what you just said as well. I'm 276 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: reminded of what I said last week with regard to 277 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: the Packers going up against the Eagles, and you had 278 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley in the backfield, and you had Jalen Hurts, 279 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 2: who'd been sacked twenty five times over the course of 280 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: the year. And what I said is the Packers defense 281 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: has to earn the right to rush Jalen Hurts, and 282 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: you earn that right by containing Saquon Barkley and putting 283 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: them in difficult positions. And then, as it turned out, 284 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: the Eagles just kind of gave up on those third 285 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: and longs because they weren't gonna put Hurts and Harms away. 286 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: They weren't gonna let Micah Parsons wreck the game. And 287 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: so we saw what we saw the Giant from the Packers' 288 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: perspective in this one, don't let the Giants earn the 289 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: right to come after Jordan Love because if you can 290 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: establish the run, and it's not to say it's not 291 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: to say that you know you're gonna be in second 292 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: and two like all day long, but if you establish 293 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: the run and you and you're keeping yourself in manageable 294 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: to short third downs, that makes it very hard to 295 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: get after the quarterback because because then you can always 296 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: you can always call a quick pass, get the ball 297 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: all the quarterback's hands, not let these guys come after 298 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: the quarterback like the Packers have seen opponents do with 299 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: regard to Parsons and Gary and not letting them do 300 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: their things. So that's job one for me. But the 301 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: other thing I'll just I'll say it right now, what 302 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: I want to see in this game against this run 303 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: defense is the Packers need to bust some explosive runs 304 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: because these last two games. I took a look at 305 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: it for the story that I posted on Packers dot 306 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: Com last night. Josh Jacobs has been pretty productive in 307 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 2: the last couple games running the ball. It hasn't been bad. 308 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: You hope that it could be better. And it's not 309 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: just all on Jacobs. It's you know, it's the blocking 310 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: and all of that kind of stuff too. But Jacobs 311 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: has carried the ball thirty eight times in the last 312 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: two games, and only two of those thirty eight carries 313 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: have been explosive runs, which are find his twelve plus yards. 314 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: Only two. 315 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: He had a fifteen yard run and an eighteen yard 316 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: run against Carolina two out of thirty eight being explosive 317 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 2: runs isn't good enough. And this is a run defense 318 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: where you hope that the Packers can get Jacob's a seam, 319 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: get him some open space, and let him do his 320 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: thing to turn an eight yard run, make a guy miss, 321 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: and turn that into a fifteen or a twenty yard run. 322 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: They need to do that a couple of times in 323 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: this game. 324 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And you know when you look at Josh and unfortunately, 325 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 4: just with some of the circumstances, we haven't been able 326 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 4: to see a lot of those twenty plus runs here 327 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 4: during his time in Green Bay. But when he is 328 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: in the open field like that, the guy goes to work. 329 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 4: I mean, when you get him matched up against a 330 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 4: safety or a defensive back, good good luck to them. 331 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: And it's just been a matter of clearing enough space 332 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 4: for him to get there. The one that was actually 333 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 4: kind of tragic was that fourteen yard touchdown I think 334 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: he had was that against Pittsburgh where it was right 335 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: up the gut and he got into the end zone. 336 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 4: It was a great play. It was the one that 337 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 4: afterwards he said, I could have tripped and probably still 338 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: scored on if that play happened at the forty five, 339 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 4: it's probably still a touchdown when it just happened that 340 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 4: it was near, it was inside the red zone. The 341 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: Packers have been very productive with him in the red zone, 342 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: but it's about between the twenties if they can get 343 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: more established there. And when you look at the third downs, 344 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 4: a situation that the first six weeks of the year, Mike, well, 345 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 4: you and I were talking about how proficient they were there. 346 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 4: They have fallen short in that area in recent weeks 347 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: and they haven't been able to do it, whether it's 348 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 4: been third and short or third and long where sometimes 349 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 4: the other was rescuing the other during the first half, 350 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: or say the first month of the season. For me, 351 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: when you talk about the key to victory at this game, 352 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: the fact that Jameis Winston is on the field, it's 353 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 4: all about takeaways. These two teams are both tied for 354 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: twenty ninth in the league in fewest takeaways. They're both 355 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 4: sitting at six on the season. I believe the Packers 356 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 4: have four straight weeks though, where they've now taken the 357 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 4: ball away. Historically, if you look on the whole band 358 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 4: with the season, the Giants have actually done a pretty 359 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: good job of protecting the football, but now you're kind 360 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 4: of throwing this new variable in there with Winston. Whether 361 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 4: it's Xavier McKinney, whether it's Evan Williams on the back end, 362 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: or maybe even a guy like Keishawn Nixon on the 363 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 4: perimeter who's now second league in pass deflections but still 364 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 4: looking for his first pick on the season. I think 365 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: there's going to be opportunities when Jameis Winston gives you 366 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: a chance, you have to take advantage of it because 367 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: that guy is an equal opportunity explosive playmaker and also 368 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 4: a guy that could potentially give you a chance for 369 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 4: an explosive play. Defensively, The Packers cannot blink in those occasions. 370 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this. This game defensively, I think is all about. 371 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: If Jamis Winston gives you a chance, you have to 372 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: make that play. But at the same time, you have 373 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: to be ready for anything in Winston. And that includes 374 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: not just the fact that he's he might take shots 375 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: down the field when you wouldn't think, you know, based 376 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 2: on the coverage we're playing in these rat Lake he's 377 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: not gonna throw that. You have to be ready for 378 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: that at all times. But as I said before, you 379 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 2: also have to be on your p's and q's with 380 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: regard to his potential scrambling and taking off and running, 381 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: because I think that's a very curious aspect. That to me, 382 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: that's the biggest unknown going into this game. What will 383 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: Jameis Winston do with his legs? And as we all know, 384 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: not to dwell on bad memories, but the last trip 385 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: to the tin Can in Jersey, a backup quarterback named 386 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: Tommy Devido his ability to scramble and get out of 387 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: the pocket. The Packers just never looked ready for it, 388 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 2: they didn't react to it properly, and they lost a 389 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: game they had no business losing. So that's just something 390 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: I say, beyond your p's and q's with Winston in 391 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: that regard. 392 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 4: You are one thousand percent wrong. And when I say this, 393 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: I am not saying that you're wrong. And this and 394 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 4: this is why the Packers have to live up to 395 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 4: their mantra. This defense and the way it's playing right 396 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: now underneath Jeff Haffley in where it was trending at 397 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 4: the end of the Joe Barry era are vastly different 398 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 4: in this regard. 399 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: One hundred percent true. 400 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 4: They have to play the way that they've been playing. 401 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: Two weeks ago, they had a letdown against ric o'dowdele. 402 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 4: They then corrected it against Saquon Barklay. 403 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: Not perfect. 404 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 4: They gave up the forty one yard checkdown. They gave 405 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 4: up the thirty six yard touchdown at DeVante Smith. They 406 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: can do things better, but by and large, gave the 407 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 4: offense a chance to win that game. They need to 408 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 4: come out with their feet on fire again like that 409 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 4: and play that way against this opponent. And if they 410 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 4: do that, I think the Packers stand a really good 411 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 4: chance to win this game. 412 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I like that as well. 413 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: What we do need to pay some bills here, so 414 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: before we take a look at other games around the league. 415 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: In Week eleven, we'll hear from our sponsors. 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Pit Boss grills available at minards. Hey 426 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: Packers fans, we always knew Lambeofield was a wonder, but 427 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: now it's official. Learn more about all the wonders of 428 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: Wisconsin at travel Wisconsin dot com slash Wonders. Welcome back 429 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: to Packers Unscripted Wes. It is a very very interesting 430 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: slate of games in week eleven. He is he is 431 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: the backup for the Patriots. 432 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 4: News to me, okay, yeah, because I was like, well, 433 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 4: he's not New York anymore. 434 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 3: What happened? 435 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened to him? 436 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: Sorry? Yes, no, that's okay. 437 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 2: A couple of big matchups in the NFC North Chicago 438 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: is at Minnesota and Detroit is at Philadelphia. 439 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 4: I was sitting here getting ready for the show at 440 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 4: my pre production meeting. 441 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: Is it just mere? 442 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 4: Does the Detroit play every opponent the week after the 443 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 4: Packers played? It kind of seems like that Washington too, right, 444 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 4: doesn't feel like it was like maybe it was Cincinnati, 445 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 4: Like they just seems like they keep playing the team. 446 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was Cincinnati. Yeah, because the the 447 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: Lions just played Washington last week and the Packers played 448 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: Washington back in Week two. But yeah, but you're right, 449 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 2: it's it's happened. It's happened a couple times this year. 450 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: So so Detroit is that. Detroit is at Philly, Chicago 451 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: is at Minnesota and not to And I don't want 452 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: to be looking ahead here, but when you look at 453 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: you look at the Vikings. Okay, so they dropped a 454 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: they lost a home game to Baltimore last week. JJ 455 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 2: McCarthy is back. He's their quarterback. They've turned it over 456 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: to him. The next two weeks, Minnesota has the Bears 457 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 2: and then the Packers. They get the Bears at home, 458 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: then they come to Lambeaufield to play the Packers this too. 459 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 2: These next two weeks could potentially determine whether the Vikings 460 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: are going to stay in this NFC North race or not. Right, 461 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of on the line for them 462 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: at this point. Meanwhile, the Bears, the Bears have won 463 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: six out of seven and starting the season oh and two. Yeah, 464 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: thanks Wes, welcome six and one. Since the oh and 465 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: two start for Chicago looking to UH looking to get 466 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 2: win number seven, a big road division game, and the 467 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 2: division opponent that a division opponent the Bears lost to 468 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: as part of that oh and two start at the 469 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: beginning of the season. So there's there's a lot to 470 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: pay attention. 471 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: To with regard to the NFC North this weekend. 472 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, what do you make out of JJ McCarthy. 473 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: Do you do you have? 474 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. 475 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 2: I think I think he's I think he's a young 476 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 2: quarterback at that that you know, he's riding the roller 477 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: coaster that young quarterbacks ride when when they get thrown 478 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: in and you have to remember, this is not this 479 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: is a first round draft pick at quarterback, yes, but 480 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: not a guy who got to sit behind somebody else 481 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: for multiple years and run a scout team and all that. 482 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: This is the guy who was injured his rookie year 483 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: basically didn't do anything but try to get him self 484 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: healthy and now he got Now he got thrown in 485 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 2: there and he's already dealt with another injury and had 486 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: to miss time. I mean, this is this is the 487 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: this is the roller coaster that young quarterbacks ride, and 488 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: they're as far as I'm concerned there will be no, 489 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: nothing close to a final judgment on JJ McCarthy for 490 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: a long time. 491 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 4: For me, I'm very curious to see this opponent. The 492 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 4: Bears remind me in a lot of ways. They're not 493 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: quite this bad in terms of total yards. They remind 494 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: me a lot of the twenty eleven Packers defense. I mean, 495 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: they're leading, they have twenty I think it's a twenty 496 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 4: takeaways already. 497 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: This Yeah, you have to protect the ball against the Bears, 498 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 2: and they have a very hard time winning games if 499 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: they don't get takeaways. 500 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, and in credit to you know, Caleb Williams and 501 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson, they're protecting the ball well and that is 502 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 4: been the the tatering point for when they've actually been 503 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 4: able to win these games. But they've given up a 504 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 4: lot of yards too. So very curious to see how 505 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy handles this opponent, given the situation and the 506 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 4: fact that I kind of like the Packers that boat. 507 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 4: The Packers are in the Vikings desperately need. 508 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: A victory here. 509 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 4: They'll be looking for it regardless against Green Bay, but 510 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 4: to be back at home against the Bears now they 511 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 4: have to come up with a victory, Detroit has gone 512 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 4: it's a weird team. Man Like, Packer fans don't want 513 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 4: to hear this stuff because all they want to focus 514 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 4: on is, Okay, we lost to Carolina and we lost 515 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: to Philly. We're the worst team on Earth and whatad. 516 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: YadA, YadA YadA. 517 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Lions have been going through it too. It 518 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: was a step in the right direction last week. But 519 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: now Dan Campbell's taking over the play calling. They're running game. 520 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 4: You're not sure what you're gonna get on a week 521 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 4: to week basis, but they are good. They're a good 522 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 4: football team. So definitely huge measuring stick game for them 523 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 4: against Philly in much similar way of which the Packers 524 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 4: were against the Eagles on Monday night. 525 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and with from Philly's perspective, you know, they they 526 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: kind of got into a knockdown, drag out type of 527 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: game against Green Bay on a Monday night. They fly back, 528 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: you know, they're on they're on the short week, you know, 529 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 2: the team that has traveled. The Packers are dealing with 530 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: that too, with the travel being now as opposed to before. 531 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the Detroit Philly game is going 532 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: to be a really really interesting one to watch. A 533 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: couple of other big games in the western divisions of 534 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: the NFL. In the NFC West, Seattle is at the 535 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: La Rams, both teams at seven and two, so that 536 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 2: is for first place in the NFC West, and then 537 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 2: in the AFC West, Kansas City is at Denver Denver 538 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: eight and two, Kansas City at five and four and 539 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 2: quite frankly west. If the Kansas City Chiefs want to 540 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: have a chance to win their tenth consecutive division championship, 541 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: they have. 542 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: They have not. 543 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: Lost the AFC West since twenty fifteen twenty sixteen through 544 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, nine in a row they've won that division. 545 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: But if they don't win this game in Denver, their 546 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: chances of that street continuing take a major, major hit. 547 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of in the same boat of the Packers, 548 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: where they don't really have very many mulligans left here 549 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 4: now they go up against a team like the Denver 550 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 4: Broncos that has been very opportunistic this season in which 551 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 4: that pendulum kind of goes back and forth. Denver's been 552 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 4: knocking down all the pins when it looks like they 553 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 4: might be standing up. So the Raiders game was an 554 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 4: excellent example of that. 555 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 2: And they've and they've had two like absolutely wild crazy 556 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: fourth quarter comebacks, one against Philadelphia, the other one against 557 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: the Giants. Like we were talking about earlier, the Broncos, 558 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: the Broncos are. Broncos are eight and two, but there 559 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: were two games where they looked like they were dead 560 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: in the water and then somehow they pulled them out. 561 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 4: To me, and maybe I'll be proven wrong on Sunday, 562 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: the Broncos look like sitting ducks to me, I just 563 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: feel like this is the type of game with Patrick 564 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 4: Mahomes and Kansas City understanding what the stakes are here, 565 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: the fact that they need to win, they are going 566 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 4: into mile high But I was not encouraged. But I 567 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 4: mean defensively, the Broncos are gonna always have a chance. 568 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I was looking at the stats before 569 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 4: the show too. The Broncos are almost at one hundred 570 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 4: quarterback it's already on the season. I mean, the way 571 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 4: they're getting after the quarterback, the way they got after 572 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 4: Geno Smith in that game, my goodness. So they will 573 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: give them a chance. But offensively, it's it's been interesting 574 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 4: to watch. So yeah, this is it's a marquee game 575 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: for sure. 576 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: Any thoughts on who takes over the NFC West lead 577 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 2: Seahawks or Rams. 578 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 1: What do you think that the game. 579 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 2: Is that so far in LA, but there's sort of 580 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: like no such thing as a home game for LA teams, 581 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: Like that place is going to be full of Seahawks fans. 582 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: You know, that's that that's the case Seattle. 583 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: You know. 584 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: I think both both of these teams have shown they 585 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: can be really really dangerous offensively. I think the Rams 586 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: have the better defense of the two if I were to, 587 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: if I were to look at it right now. But 588 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: this game just feels like a total coin flip to me. 589 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess from what it sounds like. 590 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 4: DeVante is gonna play through the oblique, So that's obviously huge. 591 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 4: He's playing again like a franchise receiver. 592 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: Dude. 593 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 4: I was saying the other day, I was watching some 594 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 4: clips of Jerry Rice. We'll see. Hopefully DeVante stays healthy. 595 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 4: That's the number one thing. This guy's gonna play well 596 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 4: into his thirties. He has the footwork, he he is 597 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 4: the Aaron Rodgers of the receiver position. Really, I mean 598 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 4: he just the way he thinks about it and his 599 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 4: attention to detail. I fully believe DeVante Adams is a 600 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer. Yep, I do too, But I don't 601 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 4: see this train stopping. I think this guy's gonna keep 602 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: gonna keep doing this at a high level. And the 603 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 4: other thing I love too, Matthew Stafford has kind of 604 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 4: picked up the Brett fav mantra of Hey, every single 605 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 4: year is this guy gonna keep playing football? And then 606 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 4: every single year he comes back and still plays at 607 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 4: an extremely high level where I feel like in a 608 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 4: lot of ways, Russell Wilson kind of hurt his legacy, 609 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 4: maybe even his Hall of Fame chances with everything that 610 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 4: happened after Seattle. This second life that Stafford has got 611 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: since he's gone to LA has been incredible to watch. 612 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 2: And even and even just beyond winning the Super Bowl there, Yeah, 613 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: it's been. It's been the years beyond when he won 614 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl with the Rams that. 615 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: As you say, he just he keeps, he keeps. 616 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,959 Speaker 2: Going and he and every year that goes by, he 617 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 2: doesn't look another year older. I mean he's right now 618 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, he looks like the same quarterback 619 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: that won the Super Bowl four years ago. 620 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 4: Yep, No, I mean it's it's been nuts to watch. 621 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 4: I mean I was looking at this too. Do you 622 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: know how many times let's let's play a little bit 623 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 4: of trivia in Mike Spofford. How many times he's drafted 624 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 4: first overall in two thousand and nine? 625 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: Right? 626 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 4: How many times has Matthew Stafford made an All Pro team? 627 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever been the Allas quarterback. 628 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 3: How many times has he gone to the Pro Bowl? 629 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: Oh? 630 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: Boy, I'm gonna say maybe three or four? Twice twice 631 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: including two years ago. 632 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 3: Wow, he went once with the Lions. 633 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: I only went once with Detroit. 634 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: One of the most underrated quarterbacks. Yeah, in modern NFL history, 635 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 4: I'm favoring the Rams in this one. The main reason 636 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 4: for that, James Jones gave me junk about this last 637 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: week on the radio show, because I. 638 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 2: James Jones gives a lot of people junk about things. 639 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 4: I said that he is the best. 640 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: I love JJ. By the way that was that was said. 641 00:30:59,640 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 3: I do too. 642 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 4: I said that the Seahawks are the best team in 643 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 4: the NFL right now. I'm not saying that the most talented. 644 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 4: I think they're playing the best as a team. When 645 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: you talk about the team consistency factor, and he's like, no, no, no, 646 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: there's no way, no way, and then they won another game. 647 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 4: I'm still favoring the Rams. 648 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 3: Eye here. 649 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: Here's here's the thing, though, The Seahawks under Mike McDonald are. 650 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 2: They're on this like crazy streak of road success. When 651 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: I mean there's some some of the mystique of you know, 652 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 2: Seattle and them being at home has been lost a 653 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: little bit over the years, but Seattle is now they 654 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 2: become the road warriors of the NFL. They're really hard 655 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 2: to beat when they come into your place. And and 656 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 2: uh so, I'm gonna I'm just gonna play Devil's advocate. 657 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go against you. I'm gonna lean Seahawks in 658 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: this one. 659 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 3: One other one. 660 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: I know, we got to go. 661 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: Matt starts in three minutes. 662 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 2: Oh one other one I want to get. I want 663 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: to get your thoughts. 664 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 3: Let's do it. 665 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay at Buffalo, both teams coming off a loss, 666 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: Tampa Bay coming off a tough loss against a good 667 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: Patriots team, Buffalo coming off a bad loss against Miami, 668 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: and Buffalo's street of AFC East, Yeah, Division titles kind 669 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: of is getting in jeopardy. 670 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 4: In New England's gonna be facing a two to win 671 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 4: New York Jets team tonight, and that's their main threat 672 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 4: in that I'm favoring the Bills in that. The main 673 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 4: reason I say that the Bills defense is definitely in 674 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 4: a weird anomaly. They're like middle of the pack overall. 675 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 4: When I was talking about yards per carry aloud by 676 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 4: the Giants, the Bills are second to last in that category. 677 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 4: I just don't know if with Baker Mayfield, the way 678 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 4: that that backfield is constructed, if they're going to have 679 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 4: the right recipe to beat the Bills. 680 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 3: I think the Bills bounce. 681 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: Back all right. 682 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: And with that, we got to get to a press conference, 683 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: so we'll call it a rap on this edition of 684 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: Packers Unscript. It'd be sure to follow all of our 685 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 2: coverage of the team on Packers dot com for west 686 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: Ii'm Miike. Thank you for tuning in everybody. We will 687 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 2: see you next time.