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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory podcast. And hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we did it just a few weeks

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Speaker 1: ago when we signed Jerks and Profar and on the

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Speaker 1: eve of pitchers and catchers and let's be honest, a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of other Braves. Reporting officially on Wednesday, February

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Speaker 1: the twelfth, we figured we'd get the band back together,

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Speaker 1: Scott Coleman, Steven Tolbert and myself only missing Brad Roland.

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Speaker 1: We will have that four man pod here in the

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Speaker 1: near future. But we are here once again to talk

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Speaker 1: about to me what probably is going to be the

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Speaker 1: source of many storylines when it comes to this spring training,

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Speaker 1: the Braves pitching heading into the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 1: Before we get started, Scott Coleman, good as always to

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Speaker 1: see you again. I think this maybe the first time

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Speaker 1: we've done two straight pods together, but pleasure to see

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Speaker 1: as always, sir.

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Speaker 2: Hey fellas, I hope you and everybody out there are

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Speaker 2: doing well. We are officially beyond the Super Bowl, which

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Speaker 2: means in my mind at least it's two seasons. It's

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Speaker 2: baseball season, which everybody listening to the show is very

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Speaker 2: excited for. And then I think most of our listeners

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Speaker 2: are probably college basketball fans as well. I know all

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Speaker 2: four of the co hosts on Hammer Territory are so

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Speaker 2: a really exciting time of year coming up. Sean, you

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Speaker 2: just said the players are basically all ready reported down

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Speaker 2: in Florida and before you know it, we'll have full

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Speaker 2: team workouts and games and all kinds of things to

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Speaker 1: And Steven, it's always a pleasure to a talk with you.

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Speaker 1: I know the last time that we talked, a fun

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Speaker 1: part of the discussion was your investment when it comes

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Speaker 1: to spring training hats, and I believe that you are

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Speaker 1: displaying one of those investments right now. And beyond the hat, Steven,

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Speaker 1: I know you always are very interested in the storylines,

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Speaker 1: many many of them to talk about, and I know

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Speaker 1: we're going to go diving deep into a couple of

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Speaker 1: storylines that you're gonna be watching closely as things get started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up, guys, It's always good to be on

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Speaker 3: with you. Only guy in the group right now who

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Speaker 3: doesn't have the same three initials. As we learned this week,

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Speaker 3: Scott and Sean not only have the same last name,

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Speaker 3: they have the same initials all the way through which

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Speaker 3: is hysterical. But yeah, we've got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 3: This is a big topic of conversation right now if

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Speaker 3: probably online too much at this point, but it's very

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Speaker 3: you know, this conversation.

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Speaker 4: Do they do they have enough pitching? What about the bullpen?

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Speaker 3: They haven't done anything on the pitching side this offseason,

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Speaker 3: aside from an army of minor league signings, which we'll

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Speaker 3: big deal and this is a conversation that we probably

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Speaker 3: needed to have for a couple of weeks now. We

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Speaker 3: were kind of waiting and waiting and waiting to see

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Speaker 3: if they would make a move, you know, to alleviate

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Speaker 3: So it's time to have this conversation. It's good to

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Speaker 3: do a three men show to get kind of a

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Speaker 3: roundtable discussion about it. But yeah, this is a big

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Speaker 1: Let's dive right into it, and Scott, you know, let's

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Speaker 1: kind of set the table here. You know, last year,

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Speaker 1: you look at many of the different metrics that are

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Speaker 1: especially the starting staff top three in many of the metrics,

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Speaker 1: look at it and you're like, we did this without

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Speaker 1: Spencer Strider, Chris Sale an unbelievable season is ASI Young

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Speaker 1: Award winner Rice cell Iglesias maybe the most underrated relief

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Speaker 1: at what happened in the playoffs and the fact that

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Speaker 1: season and then you start to realize, Okay, we lose

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we should say here at the very

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Speaker 2: it's fair to say that the old you don't always

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Speaker 2: has lost from last year. Freed was whenever healthy, about

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Speaker 2: as guaranteed of a start as you're going to get.

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Speaker 2: the game last year. Those are four huge losses, and again,

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Speaker 2: I think as it stands today, the Braves are okay,

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Speaker 2: The man, ah, maybe we're jaded after last season, but

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time sitting here in mid February

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Speaker 2: That's a really risky game to play.

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Speaker 4: It's always a fact.

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Speaker 3: It's always an interesting question, Dude, does X team have

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Speaker 3: enough pitching? And the answer is almost always no, right,

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Speaker 3: Like that's just the nature of the game. Nolan has

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Speaker 3: you don't have enough. So it's a nuanced thing. The

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Speaker 3: Braves have a good pitching staff. Like objectively, if you

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Speaker 4: The Braves have a good pitching staff. I think that's

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Speaker 4: completely fair to say.

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Speaker 3: But it is not injury proof at all at all.

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Speaker 3: Like the Dodgers have like nine pictures like nine starting pitchers,

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Speaker 3: and the reason they have nine starting pitchers because almost certainly,

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Speaker 3: because they have a pitching staff full of guys who've

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Speaker 3: and that's where I sit today in terms of my

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Speaker 3: don't know what they would do. I don't know what

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Speaker 4: I don't know what they would do.

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Speaker 3: If something happened to Chris Sale, or if Spencer Strider

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Speaker 3: They're in a lot of trouble. And again we're not

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Speaker 3: to the end of the offseason. There's still a lot

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Speaker 3: make two signings tomorrow and this entire podcast becomes irrelevant

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Speaker 3: because they've addressed the needs. But as we sit here today,

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Speaker 3: I think they still have holes on the team that

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Speaker 3: you can look up and down the list of names

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Speaker 3: most recent roster projection right before spring training starts. If

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Speaker 3: just need more and they need they need some injury

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Speaker 3: protect because as bad as things went on this on

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Speaker 3: the position player side last year, outside of the Strider injury,

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Speaker 3: the Braves had a pretty good amount of pitching fortune

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Speaker 3: last year. Chris Sales stayed healthy ninety eight percent of

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Speaker 3: out of nowhere. Roscilloglacia has had the probably one of

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Speaker 4: Best season of his career.

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Speaker 3: Like, they had a lot go right on that side

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Speaker 3: and there's still time to do it. But as we

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Speaker 3: sit her today, do the Braves have enough pitching? No,

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Speaker 3: No one has enough pitching. But specifically to start the season,

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Speaker 3: I think the Braves need at least two more arms,

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Speaker 3: either one in the rotation, one the bullpen, or two

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Speaker 1: And so let let's first look at the starting rotation.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I know that many are going to

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Spencer Strider. You know, he probably

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Speaker 1: with Ronald dccuna junior when you come, when you talk

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the trio of Chris Sale, Spencer

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Speaker 1: Swellenbach and Ronaldo Lopez. Each and every one of them,

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Speaker 1: to Stevens point, were spectacular last season. But two of

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Speaker 1: the same questions I think are fair to ask about

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Speaker 1: each of those three pitchers. As we mentioned, Chris Sale,

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Speaker 1: Rinaldo Lopez, and Spencer Swellenbach arguably had the best or

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Speaker 1: one of the best seasons of their career last year

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Speaker 1: all three of them did so. Is regression a legitimate

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Speaker 1: concern when it comes to Spencer Swellingbach going through the

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Speaker 1: in his career, Chris Sale his age, could he potentially

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Speaker 3: They like Grant Holmes. We need to say that out loud.

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Speaker 3: I'll I'll gladly own up to that. If he's actually

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Speaker 3: as good as they think he is, then this is

435
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Speaker 3: probably we're probably overreacting a little bit. But I just

436
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Speaker 3: don't believe that yet. I'll need to see it one

437
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Speaker 3: more time before I believe it, and I would just

438
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Speaker 3: you know, Andrew Haynes, you know, I really thought, you know,

439
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Speaker 3: there's obviously there's trade guys out there. I don't think

440
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Speaker 3: the Dylan C's thing is going to happen, but there's

441
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Speaker 3: trade guys. I can't believe Jordan Montgomery is still a diamondback.

442
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Speaker 3: There's you know, all these scenarios we can go through,

443
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Speaker 3: but just one more guy who's just a decent, you know,

444
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Speaker 3: solid proven starter in the majors would make me feel

445
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Speaker 3: a lot better.

446
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Speaker 2: And maybe this is our segue into the bullpen. But

447
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Speaker 2: frankly they might need Grant Holmes in the bullpen depending

448
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Speaker 2: on what they do. I mean, let's maybe now we'll

449
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Speaker 2: talk a little more beoutre.

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Speaker 4: And he has no options, by the way, that's important part.

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Speaker 1: Of this, Yes, And that's the thing that I'll hit on,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, as we do go into the bullpen. Scott,

453
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Speaker 1: to your point is that, you know, we've got a

454
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Speaker 1: ton of questions about the starting rotation, but we also

455
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Speaker 1: have a ton of proof that if they're healthy, the

456
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Speaker 1: starting rotation is far is very good. They did it

457
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Speaker 1: last year. They are very capable of being a top

458
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Speaker 1: five unit in baseball. What we're used to seeing going

459
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Speaker 1: into a season is Alex and Thopliss putting emphasis on

460
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Speaker 1: having a top five bullpen unit both in terms of

461
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Speaker 1: quality and in terms of death going into a season.

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Speaker 1: This year, though, going into twenty twenty five, it feels

463
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Speaker 1: like a bit of a shift and not one that

464
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, confident in seeing. To be honest, again,

465
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Speaker 1: we mention aj Minterter has gone to the Mets. We

466
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Speaker 1: mentioned that Joe Jimenez do the knee injury, likely out

467
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Speaker 1: for a good portion of the season. You know, anything

468
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Speaker 1: that you get from him would be a plus. But

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Speaker 1: Mark bowmanevilb dot Com came out and gave his projected

470
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Speaker 1: bullpen for the Braves, and you look at it. You

471
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Speaker 1: see some familiar names, but you just absolutely instantly look

472
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Speaker 1: at it and you're like, Okay, I see some familiar names.

473
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Speaker 1: I know they've had some success, but man, that looks

474
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Speaker 1: like a house of cards that's just one one big

475
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Speaker 1: wind away from falling flat on its face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So just to go through the names in case people

478
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Speaker 3: didn't see it, So Bullman put out his projections, uh yesterday,

479
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Speaker 3: I think, and he goes through the whole roster, and

480
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Speaker 3: obviously we're gonna focus on the bullpen here. But the

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Speaker 3: eight names that he put out were rosso Iglesias, Pierce Johnson,

482
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Speaker 3: Dylan Lee, Aaron Bummer, dasbel Hernandez Unhelperdomo Anderson, Polar, and

483
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Speaker 3: Danny Jimenez are the eight that he put out. Now,

484
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Speaker 3: obviously Bowman's educated guessing. Bowman's very plugged in, so you know,

485
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Speaker 3: I take his word over just about any's, but you

486
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Speaker 3: know he's this is an educated guest. But the fact

487
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Speaker 3: that and this is what we said in the open

488
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Speaker 3: the fact that these are the eight names as we

489
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Speaker 3: sit here, you know, right as pitchers and catchers report tomorrow.

490
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Speaker 4: That's wild. I mean, that's not like Rossio Gleasis is

491
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Speaker 4: very good. He's very good.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be a good reliever in twenty twenty five,

493
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Speaker 3: I'm almost certain. But you know, he had things in

494
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Speaker 3: his profile last year that are probably not repeatable, that

495
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Speaker 3: are gonna regress a little bit. He's also getting up

496
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Speaker 3: there in age, so you know, I don't think it's

497
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's probably realistic to expect it.

498
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Speaker 4: Rossill Glazzis we got last year, but he's gonna be

499
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Speaker 4: very good. Pierce Johnson should be better.

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Speaker 3: He fell off a little bit last year at the

501
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Speaker 3: end of last year, but he should be better.

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Speaker 4: I'm fine with Pierce Johnson being one of their higher

503
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Speaker 4: releverage believers.

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Speaker 3: I like Dylan Lee a lot. I like Aaron Bummer

505
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Speaker 3: more than Brian Snicker does, but in terms of high leverage,

506
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Speaker 3: like that's kind of where it ends. And I know

507
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Speaker 3: people love Daves Ball Hernandez. I think I think we've

508
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Speaker 3: gotten a little I tweeted this today. I think we've

509
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Speaker 3: gotten a little ahead of our skis on Day's Bell.

510
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Speaker 3: The walks in the minor leagues scare me because usually

511
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Speaker 3: when you walk as many people as he does in

512
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Speaker 3: the miners, it comes to the majors much worse. So

513
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Speaker 3: the walks scare me. He's also got minor league options.

514
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Speaker 3: There's no harm in him starting in Triple A if

515
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Speaker 3: you get somebody better, and then you're at an an

516
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Speaker 3: Helperdomo Anderson, Pollard, Danjimenez, who knows. I mean, those guys

517
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Speaker 3: all have potential, but who knows. None of those guys

518
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Speaker 3: have ever done it on a big time you know,

519
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Speaker 3: World Series contending team or even in the majors at all.

520
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Speaker 3: That's just a ton of questions and a lot has

521
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Speaker 3: to go right for that to be a good group. Scott,

522
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get your opinion on this, But man, I

523
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Speaker 3: look at those names. I tweeted this out. I look

524
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Speaker 3: those names like Jesus, the Braves need another reliever, Like

525
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Speaker 3: I knew the Braves need another reliever. But when Bowman

526
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Speaker 3: put that list out, like, holy cow, do the Braves

527
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Speaker 3: need another reliever?

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Speaker 4: It's pretty thin.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, imagine if one of those guys gets

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Speaker 2: hurt or just has an unlucky bad season. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've seen that. We know we're lievers. It's a tough business,

532
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Speaker 2: a really tough business. So you know, sure, if you're

533
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Speaker 2: telling me that, I will call it the big four

534
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Speaker 2: of the Glaciers. Johnson, Lee and Bummer is good. Yes,

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Speaker 2: no qualms with that at all. That is a very

536
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Speaker 2: solid top four in your bullpen. You mentioned Day's belt.

537
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Speaker 2: The stuff is awesome. I do worry about the command,

538
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Speaker 2: but I think at this point, why have Day's bell

539
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Speaker 2: and Gwinnett any longer? Like, give him three months and

540
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Speaker 2: see and if he has a nine you know, he

541
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Speaker 2: has an earra that's high and he has a crazy

542
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Speaker 2: walk rate, then you say it's just not happening. And

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Speaker 2: if he's good, then okay, great. Now you have five

544
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Speaker 2: reliable arms in your bullpen, but you need eight. Angel

545
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Speaker 2: Perdomo if that's not a familiar name. The Braves claimed

546
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Speaker 2: Perdomo about a year and a half ago. Now he

547
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Speaker 2: is basically not pitched in two years because of elbow surgery.

548
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Speaker 2: When he's was healthy, he was terrific and has a

549
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Speaker 2: ton of swing and miss from the left side, but again,

550
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Speaker 2: total total wild card. Who knows if he's striking out

551
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Speaker 2: a third of the batters. He sees amazing great value.

552
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: If he's not healthy or something pops up, you don't know,

553
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Speaker 2: but hardly approving commodity. Anderson polar good numbers in the

554
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Speaker 2: minor leagues. He was a Rule five pick from the Marlins.

555
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Speaker 2: But again, he's like twenty six years old, hasn't done

556
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Speaker 2: it yet in the major leagues, and couldn't do it

557
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Speaker 2: with the Marlins. Guys, this is not someone in the

558
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Speaker 2: Dodger system who just got buried under their four billion

559
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Speaker 2: dollar bullpen. He never pitched with Miami. And then Danny Jimenez.

560
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Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I don't don't. I didn't look Danny

561
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Speaker 2: Jimenez up. I don't know anything about Danny Jimenez. If

562
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Speaker 2: he wants to throw seventy innings out of the bullpen

563
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Speaker 2: and be awesome, then I will personally apologize to him

564
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Speaker 2: and buy a jersey. But and then they've added other

565
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Speaker 2: pieces too. They signed uh to today. Actually they signed

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Speaker 2: Jake Diekman, who's a veteran lefty, added Chet Cool, Dylan Covey,

567
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Speaker 2: and a half dozen other non roster invites who are

568
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Speaker 2: going to get a chance. But the fact is that

569
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Speaker 2: we sit here again mid February, you feel really good

570
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Speaker 2: about half of your bullpen, maybe five of them if

571
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Speaker 2: you really really like Daseball Hernandez. And then after that, man,

572
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Speaker 2: it's it could be. I think Sean said it perfectly.

573
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Speaker 2: This is a house of cards, and one card crumbles,

574
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Speaker 2: and I think all of a sudden you're in trouble.

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Speaker 2: And if that card happened to be Rice el Iglesias,

576
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Speaker 2: uh oh, that would be a really bad situation in

577
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Speaker 2: a hurry.

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Speaker 1: Two things stand out to me looking at this bullpen

579
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Speaker 1: that you know, kind of gives me a bit of confidence,

580
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Speaker 1: but once again puts a lot puts a lot of

581
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Speaker 1: pressure on history, potentially repeating itself. You know, in twenty

582
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Speaker 1: twenty three, the Braves were historically good when it came

583
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Speaker 1: to score and runs early in games. Well, if this

584
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Speaker 1: offense can do that once again, you know, I think

585
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Speaker 1: that pressure is a bit off of this bullpen. But

586
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Speaker 1: you're asking this offense to bounce back from what it

587
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: struggled with more than anything. But besides runners in scoring

588
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: position last year, the other thing that I'll say is

589
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Speaker 1: this is that if there is a trait of Alexanthopolis,

590
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Speaker 1: I think I call him a master of the move

591
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Speaker 1: on the margins. Well, the one area where he makes

592
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Speaker 1: such good moves on the margins is the bullpen. I

593
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Speaker 1: can't really think of you know, I know what he

594
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Speaker 1: did for the outfield in twenty twenty one, but I

595
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Speaker 1: don't think it's talked about enough what he did for

596
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Speaker 1: the bullpen in twenty and nineteen when he got Shane Green,

597
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Martin Lanson as well as Chris Martin and basically overnight

598
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Speaker 1: turned that bullpen from the worst in the league to

599
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Speaker 1: the best. Alexanthopolis knows how to make mid season moves

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Speaker 1: to strengthen a bullpen, But the thing is is that that's

601
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Speaker 1: typically because he's trying to recoup some value that he's

602
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Speaker 1: lost injury from what was a strong bullpen to begin with.

603
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: This isn't a very strong bullpen to begin with. Now,

604
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Speaker 1: I know that I've seen it a couple of people

605
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Speaker 1: talking about, Well, if you're worried about the fifth, sixth,

606
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Speaker 1: and eight, there are this fifth, sixth and seventh names

607
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Speaker 1: in the bullpen right now. You know that's really a

608
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Speaker 1: small thing to worry about. Well, it's not, because you're

609
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Speaker 1: one injury away from those guys being potential seventh and

610
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Speaker 1: eighth inning options. So to me, the bullpen feels like

611
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Speaker 1: it's an area where, you know, like last year when

612
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Speaker 1: we were hoping Jared Killen it could fill that outfield spot,

613
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, one day we wake up

614
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Speaker 1: and we see Adam Devlis in a one year, three

615
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Speaker 1: million dollar deal. It seems like that we're possibly going

616
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Speaker 1: to see that type of move for the bullpen. I

617
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly who it would be, but I would

618
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Speaker 1: imagine that the bullpen is multiple moves away from being

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Speaker 1: a finished product.

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this, if they add a starter and

621
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Speaker 3: they move Grant Holmes to the bullpen, the bullpen looks better, right,

622
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's fair. That's a name that we know

623
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Speaker 3: and trust, at least a little more than Danny Jimenez,

624
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Speaker 3: who I had to look up before we should, you know,

625
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Speaker 3: after Bowman put him on the list. I had to

626
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Speaker 3: look him like he's been in Oakland the last four

627
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Speaker 3: years and he kind of sucked, to be honest.

628
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Speaker 4: So like that's great, yeah exactly.

629
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Speaker 3: So you know, and like like Scott said, inner Supplar

630
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Speaker 3: has really good minor leagu numbers, but the Marlins left

631
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Speaker 3: him unprotected in the Rule five.

632
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Speaker 4: Like the Marlins could.

633
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Speaker 3: Have put them on it, put him on his on

634
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Speaker 3: their forty men if they wanted to. They didn't really

635
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Speaker 3: want to. So he might be good, but like there's

636
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Speaker 3: reason to doubt that. So that's my first point. My

637
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Speaker 3: second point is this Alex has always been hyper aggressive

638
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Speaker 3: about the bullpen, and he's always spent money, quite honestly,

639
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Speaker 3: to a level that I've always felt was more than

640
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Speaker 3: I would like. He's always like I remember when he

641
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Speaker 3: gave Kenley Jansen like seventeen million out of nowhere one

642
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: year when the Braves already had a really good bullpen,

643
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Speaker 3: and he was like, all right, we're just gonna add

644
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Speaker 3: Kenley Jansen for seventeen million he gave. He famously gave

645
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Speaker 3: that big Will Smith contract, you know, like forty two

646
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: million dollars to will Smith, like like Seawn just said,

647
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: you know, he traded for Malanson's contract, which was not

648
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: small when Malanson was the closer for the Giants. You know,

649
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: he gave Joe jimen As a big contract. I gave

650
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 3: Pierce Johnson a big come like he spins on the bullpen.

651
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: Which makes this even weirder that we're where we are

652
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: in the in the off season, and there's been no additions,

653
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: even though there's been some pretty major subtractions in Mentor

654
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: and Jimenez. So like one like David Robertson would look

655
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: great in this but like you had David Robertson to

656
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: this pen tomorrow.

657
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: It's a difficult way. You know, it's a whole different conversation.

658
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: You know, I've read a lot about Roberts Sorez in

659
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: San Diego, and apparently they're more motivated to move him.

660
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: They are moved to move Cester King, and so there

661
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: are people in San Diego that think he's gonna get

662
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: moved before opening day. You add Robert swres to this bullpen,

663
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: a whole different, you know, whole different outlook. There are

664
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: moves still out there to be made where you can

665
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: still go into this season with a unbelievably good bullpen

666
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 3: like Rossio glacia Is, Robert Swarrez, you know, Grant Holmes,

667
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: Pierce Johnson, Dylan Airbuber. I'll take that bullpen all day.

668
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: But when it's Dylan Dazabel Hernandez On, hel Perdomo Anderson, Polard,

669
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: Danny Hamenez, when you have money to spend and you're

670
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: trying to win a world series. It just that does

671
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: not inspire the level of confidence. Like Scott said, they

672
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: don't have to have these holes. They have the resources

673
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: to go fill these holes, so just go go fill them.

674
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: There's no reason to put yourself in this situation where

675
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: you're depending on four guys but no one's ever heard

676
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: of who have not even never proven in the majors

677
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: to be good.

678
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: You don't have to do that. You have money to spend.

679
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: They're not.

680
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: There's still twenty plus million away from what they spent

681
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: last year, and Alex said payroll was going up. That's

682
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: not even including any you know, additional payroll they want

683
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: to add. They have money to spend. They have a

684
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: clear hole in the bullpen. I think the bullpen might

685
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: even be a bigger hole than the rotation. You guys

686
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: can weigh on that if you want to. But they

687
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: need at least one more decent arm in the bullpen.

688
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: It might open.

689
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: I'd love it to be right handed, because Perdomo, Lee

690
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: and Bummer are all left handed. But I would love

691
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: one more high leverage right handed reliever, and I would

692
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: feel so much better about this situation.

693
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, just I guess again to reemphasize

694
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: all of us are rooting for moves here because I

695
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: think the theme of the pod is this is a

696
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: really good roster as it stands today, but it can

697
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: be even better, and be even better with like clear

698
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: areas to address. You know, we're not asking them to

699
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: move around four puzzle pieces in order to address one spot.

700
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: It's pretty straightforward. Sign a reliever or trade for a reliever,

701
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: and try to add a starting pitcher. And I think

702
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: adding even just one, even if they want to be

703
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: weird and only at Maybe the Braves are so so

704
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: so bullish on Grand Holmes, or maybe they're going to

705
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: see a J. Smith Schauver throw a bullpen tomorrow and

706
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: they're gonna have their socks blown off and go, holy crap,

707
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: this is the rookie of the year in the National

708
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: League or whatever the circumstance is. But just one arm

709
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: makes everything look so much better, just like adding Profar

710
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: did to the outfield. It's amazing how just one player

711
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: does it all. And the last point I wanted to

712
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: make on this, which is a little weird to me,

713
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: we know for pretty certain the Braves were very in

714
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: on Jeff Hoffman in November. Probably he would have commanded

715
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: at least a three four year deal, maybe eight million,

716
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: ten million, twelve million. We'll never know, but of course

717
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: if folks somehow missed it. The Braves failed Hoffman's physical

718
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: and he ultimately signed with Toronto after also failing physical

719
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: with Baltimore, and then they were also reportedly in on

720
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: Tanner Scott. I don't know if we'll ever truly know

721
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: what kind of money they were willing to throw at Scott.

722
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: He ended up getting eighteen million dollars a year from

723
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: LA and is long gone. But it does seem like

724
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: they have been willing to spend money on the bullpen.

725
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: And it's just a little weird to me that we

726
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: sit here today and apparently they were so ready to

727
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: go get Jeff Hoffman, but then nothing else for four

728
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: months after that. I don't really know what to make

729
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 2: of it. It's just kind of odd to me.

730
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Alex is definitely Alex is definitely

731
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: individual player based, not necessarily positional need based, Like he's

732
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: always been like, yeah, I need this, but if I

733
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: don't love the deal, I have to love the player.

734
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 3: He said that a bunch like he has to love

735
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: the deal. He has to love the player. I do

736
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: think they liked Hoffman a lot just because he could start.

737
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: Potentially Tanner Scott is unreal. I would have God, I

738
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: wanted Tanner Scott so bad. The Dodgers are just the

739
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 3: you know, the Dodgers are assholes. But I would love

740
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: to know how hard he's gone after others, like I

741
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: would love to know how hard he's gone.

742
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: After David Robertson. And we might, you know, we'll see what,

743
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: We'll see where he goes. I get he's forty. He's

744
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: a different type of pitcher than than Tanner Scott or

745
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 4: or Jeff Hoffman is. But he's a very good reliever.

746
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: I'm very I thought they might be on ken Lee.

747
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: Kenley got a lot more money than I thought he

748
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: would thought he would get. The Angels gave him like

749
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars.

750
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll see.

751
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 3: But I do think it's very it's very individual player

752
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: based with with Alex.

753
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: But I would just be stunned. I've tweeted this the

754
00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 4: other day.

755
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: Be stunned if this is the group of pictures they

756
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: take into opening day, if they don't add somebody significant

757
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: between now and when that first series in San Diego starts,

758
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: you know, six six, seven weeks from now, so we'll see.

759
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: But it's a good team. It is a really good team.

760
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 4: It's a very good team.

761
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: No one is saying that. There's no one saying this

762
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: is a bad team. But it's got holes in it,

763
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: and it doesn't really have to have those holes. There's

764
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: money and there are players that can make this better.

765
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: So like, let's just go do that and then we

766
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 3: can talk about you know, I would love for our

767
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: next podcast to be how does David Robertson fit into

768
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: this bullpen? How does Robert Swarez.

769
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: Fit into this bullpen?

770
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: That would be you know, That's where I'm rooting for

771
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 3: at this point.

772
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: One other I guess creative approach to the idea of

773
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: the bullpen is that, you know, we named off some

774
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: names Ian Anderson, A J. Smith, Shavor, you know, Hurst

775
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: and Waldrop for instance. You know, that could make sense.

776
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: But Alexenthopless in one of his recent media gatherings, you know,

777
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: he did leap throw out a bit of an interesting

778
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: nugget in that, you know, Ian Anderson, it could be

779
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: looked at for the bullpen himself. And so when we

780
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: talk about you know, fifth starter options, One of the

781
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: things that stands out to me is, well, what if

782
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: they get creative and they potentially see, you know, okay,

783
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: we're not necessarily admitting that, you know, a starting spot

784
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: for him is not in the future. But what if

785
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: they think that Hirst and Waldrop, you know, with you know,

786
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: with his filthy splitter that he has, could he be

787
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: someone that can make sense in the bullpen? Could we

788
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: get aj Smith enough innings, especially for enough innings to

789
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: be in the bullpen himself Grant Holmes obviously going Ian

790
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: Anderson as well. I wonder if the Braves may get

791
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: created with one of their highly thought of, thought of arms.

792
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: If they're satisfied with the starting rotation, could they shift

793
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: that promising arm to the bullpen for a time and

794
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: at the very least the quality of depth that you

795
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: have in the pen increases internally. And that also goes

796
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: to the point that Mean and Stephen had talked about before,

797
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: where we just don't have a lot of internal bullpen options.

798
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I wonder if they may get creative in that sense.

799
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they might have to. If Alex really doesn't like

800
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: the free agent market, maybe someone comes in and gives

801
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: David Robertson a crazy deal, or maybe Robert Suarez fetches

802
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: a top one hundred prospect for San Diego, or you know,

803
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: I think Steven said it perfectly. Alex is never going

804
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: to have his feet tied to the fire and make

805
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: a hasty move, whether for good or bad. I mean,

806
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: I think Andrew Friedman, now the GM of the Dodgers,

807
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: has a great quote when he was with Tampa Bay

808
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 2: that was, if you're rational about every free agent, you're

809
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: going to finish third on every free agent. And you

810
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: can't necessarily operate your entire team on that. But sometimes

811
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: you know what you have to give in give the

812
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: extra two million dollars, give a mutual option, which is

813
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: basically a team option. Anyway, you know, do what you

814
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: have to do. Make it a bigger signing bonus. So

815
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: the guy, can, you know, pay less taxes over the year.

816
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 2: I don't know. Whatever you have to do, do it

817
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: to make this really good World Series contend, even more

818
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: so of a World Series contender.

819
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: And I'll say this about Ian Anderson, another guy with

820
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 3: no options. By the way, and as we get into

821
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 3: spring training, this is gonna be a lot more important.

822
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: But there's a ton brad and I did a show

823
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 3: like a month ago about how crazy the crazy number

824
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 3: of players the Braves have in camp that have no options,

825
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: and it's actually a crazy number. Well as camp starts

826
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: and we started getting into these names. We'll talk about

827
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: that more. But Ian Anderson and Grant Holmes are two

828
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: prominent ones that don't have any options left.

829
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 4: And so, yeah, like he.

830
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 3: Needs to be willing to go to the bullpen because

831
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: that might be the only way he has a job,

832
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: at least with the Braves organization. I could see that.

833
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: You know, he's always been a two pitch guy. The

834
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: third pitch thing has always been a problem for him.

835
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: Basketball change up has always been kind of his main thing.

836
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: Maybe out of the bullpen it would work better. Maybe

837
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 3: he could throw a little harder. I don't know, that

838
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: would be interesting. I could see it. I could definitely

839
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: see it. I don't know, you know, with a just

840
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: Michelle Orharssel Waldrop, I don't know if you're willing to

841
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: sacrifice the development. You know, when you have top arms,

842
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: and I don't know if they consider those two guys'

843
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: top arms anymore. They did have rough years last year,

844
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 3: but when you have high level prospects, I'm not sure

845
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: you want to move them to the bullpen this early

846
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: at least, I don't know how they feel about that

847
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 3: if it's gonna stunt their growth as starters. But you know,

848
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 3: if the if the big if the big league club

849
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: needs relievers, then sometimes that's what you do. So yeah,

850
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: that's a good point, Sean. They could get creative on

851
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: some of these younger guys potentially, you know, while dripping

852
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: the bullpen actually does have some interesting characteristics to it.

853
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 3: That might be a deeper show at some point. But yeah,

854
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: that I mean, I could definitely see that happen.

855
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: And guys, the final note that I'll say is this,

856
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: we haven't even touched on our one ace in the hole.

857
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: If we just have to put all our cards out

858
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: on the table, I think we're all looking forward to

859
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Speaker 1: the mid May podcast where we're talking about David Fletcher's

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Speaker 1: knuckleball debut in Atlanta to be there as depth for

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Speaker 1: either of the starting patient or the bullpen. We may

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Speaker 3: I thought you were going to talk about Jesse Chavez's

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Speaker 3: inevitable return.

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Speaker 1: There we go. That's also there, so we have options.

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Speaker 1: Are they reliable? Are they sensible. Are they good? No,

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Speaker 1: but there are options that are out there, Scott Steven

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Speaker 1: anything else As we wrap up this edition of the

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory podcast on the eve of spring training officially starting.

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Speaker 1: I know we have a ton of questions, but that's

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Speaker 1: the point of this time of year. Lay out the questions.

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Speaker 1: Spring training will give us the answers, and hey, if

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Speaker 1: you don't find the answers that you like, go out

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Speaker 1: and see what else is out there to get an answer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, let's hope it's a healthy next six

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Speaker 2: weeks for the Braves, especially as warm up or practices

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Speaker 2: and drills and all that bullpens, simulated games, real games.

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Speaker 2: Everybody just cross your fingers and hope that the Braves

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Speaker 2: don't pick up any injuries. It's frankly, the worst part

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Speaker 2: of spring training is just making sure everybody is healthy.

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Speaker 2: But fingers crossed the Braves are healthy and also have

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Speaker 2: a move or two or three left in them. I

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Speaker 2: think it's pretty clear after talking with y'all for forty

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Speaker 2: minutes now that very good team, but could use a

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Speaker 2: little more fuel on the fire and hopefully Alex is

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Speaker 2: able to make a couple of deals happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll say this. You know, obviously spring training

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Speaker 3: kicks off tomorrow. I think the sixty dail opens tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: and with pictures and catchers reporting, I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 3: if we see you like we saw Kenley sign today.

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Speaker 3: I think pictures are wary of coming into camp too late.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if we got some movement around

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Speaker 3: the league tomorrow with guys signing, especially with forty minut

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Speaker 3: spots being able to be open with a sixty dil.

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Speaker 3: So again, it would not surprise me all, especially since

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Speaker 3: we're doing a podcast tonight. At some point tomorrow the

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Speaker 3: Braves make a move. But yeah, I want to see it,

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Speaker 3: like I just there's no reason to have I mean, again,

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Speaker 3: to have that that group of names. Be you're likely

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Speaker 3: starting aid out every bullpen when you're trying to win

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Speaker 3: a World Series, when you have money to spend, and

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Speaker 3: you've got guys on the free agent market that could

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Speaker 3: help you.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a good team. Scott's right.

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Speaker 3: This is the time of year where you hold your

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Speaker 3: breath as pitchers really start ramping up to start the season.

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Speaker 3: This is where injuries usually pop up, if there's gonna

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Speaker 3: be some as guys get going and ramping up. So

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Speaker 3: this is where we kind of start holding our breath

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Speaker 3: for Chris Sale, Ronaldo Lopez, Specier Strider obviously is the

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Speaker 3: big one. You know, this is where injuries could pop up.

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Speaker 3: But if everybody stays healthy, it is a good team.

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Speaker 3: It's a really good team. I can't wait. I'm so

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Speaker 3: damn excited for this season. But yeah, just a couple

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Speaker 3: more arms and I feel so much better about it.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And of course, another thing that we need to

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Speaker 1: touch on, you know as we wrap this edition of

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Speaker 1: Hammer Territory is that you know, the Braves alluded to

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Speaker 1: it earlier today, alluding to the fact that this year,

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Speaker 1: both in spring training and the regular season, the fan

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Speaker 1: based Braves Country is going to be able to access

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Speaker 1: games easier and more frequently than they ever have before.

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Speaker 1: So many details already out there, so many details to come.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be able to give you all the

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Speaker 1: best content that we can since we're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to see as many games as we possibly can as well,

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Speaker 1: So make sure you stick with Hammer Territory. Part of

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Speaker 1: the foul Territory family of podcast Yes, you're welcome, Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean just hey, that was that was my vibes

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Speaker 1: towards the Braves offseason. That move right there. You had

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Speaker 1: to wait forty five minutes for the entire show for

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Speaker 1: it to be pulled off. That's what we're waiting for

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Speaker 1: on March twenty seventh, when the Braves finally make the

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Speaker 1: move to address their pitching staff, Scott, Stephen, anything else

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Speaker 1: as we wrap up this edition of the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, so that's gonna be edited out,

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Speaker 1: but neither one of y'all could top that beautiful hat spin.

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Speaker 1: For Scott Coman at Scott Comen fifty five, Steven Tobert

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Speaker 1: at the Underscore Outliers, my name is Sean Coleman at

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Speaker 1: Stat's sac Hammeratory, wherever you enjoy your also across all

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Speaker 1: forms of social media and again part of the Foul

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Speaker 1: Territory family of podcasts. For Scott and Stephen, my name

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Speaker 1: is Sean Coleman. We will talk to you again soon

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Speaker 1: here on the Hammer Territory Podcast.