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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Hurdle Emily a body here.

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Speaker 1: guest is doctor Jason Worsland. Doctor Jason is a chiropractor

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Speaker 1: based out of Santa Monica and the creator of the Farragun.

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Speaker 1: You've probably seen his crazy looking tool made for muscle activation, recovery,

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Speaker 1: and pain relief all over Instagram in the hands of

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Speaker 1: your favorite trainers and athletes. I've got one myself, and

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Speaker 1: next to fresh coffee and chocolate milk, it is a

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Speaker 1: go to after every single long weekend run. Doctor Jason

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Speaker 1: had recently graduated from chiropractic school when he got into

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Speaker 1: a whole horrific motorcycle accident that left him with a

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Speaker 1: discarnation and an intense pain like he couldn't even take

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Speaker 1: a shower without being absolutely miserable. This accident led him

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Speaker 1: on a quest to create an efficient, portable treatment device

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Speaker 1: for his patients, including himself, to use as they needed

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Speaker 1: for relief. And while the Farragun was born. I say

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Speaker 1: this all the time, but today's episode is really special.

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Speaker 1: As someone who's definitely been on the injured list. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Jason's positive outlook and awesome insight into how to tackle

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Speaker 1: like traveling the world, providing relief and educating others on

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Speaker 1: the importance of muscle recovery and mobility, how his kids

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Speaker 1: And that's it. Let's get to hurdling today. I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: here with doctor Jason Orsland. He is a chiropractor and

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Speaker 1: the man behind Farrah Gun. How you doing good? Good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You're like surprised.

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Speaker 2: I was like, whoa question.

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Speaker 1: That's the least of your worries so far today. Before

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Speaker 1: we really get into this episode, I think it's important

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Speaker 1: first of all to talk about what the farragon is.

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Speaker 1: I feel like affectionately, I think of it like feels

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Speaker 1: like a power drill, but moves kind of like a jackhammer,

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Speaker 1: but it's for your muscles, So like, why don't you

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Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about the theragon What you created?

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Speaker 2: Theraguon is handheld percussion, and the most familiar term I

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Speaker 2: think people are used is vibration, But vibration and percussion

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Speaker 2: there's an amplitude, meaning a distance that that wand or

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Speaker 2: rather than vibration. So vibration, if you can imagine it,

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Speaker 2: probably be like a horizontal movement, and percussion is more

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Speaker 2: the term jack hammer and jigsaw because it does kind

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Speaker 2: of look like a power tool. But it's it's honestly,

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Speaker 2: I think that it's a handheld, battery operated feel good product.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's the easiest way to say it. I

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Speaker 2: like that doesn't matter where I go in the world.

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Speaker 2: It works.

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Speaker 1: It makes people feel good, Like the Thera gun. A

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Speaker 1: courtside with Kyrie Irving and the Chiefs defensive back Marcus

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Speaker 1: Peter uses it. I was having a conversation the other

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Speaker 1: day with the fittest guy on Earth, affectionately Matt Frazier,

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Speaker 1: and he couldn't say enough about it. He told me

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Speaker 1: that if he's going to have a quad heavy workout,

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Speaker 1: after day after day, and eventually those one percent gains

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Speaker 1: add up. It's kind of crazy that you made this

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Speaker 1: thing that like all of these major athletes are using.

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Speaker 1: I think I read a statistic that it was like

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Speaker 1: one hundred different pro teams are using this device.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that statistic was actually old. There's so many

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it. And it's surprising to me too

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Speaker 2: because the fact that Matt uses it for performance is amazing.

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Speaker 2: But that wasn't where it came from. So it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's been in discovery for me as well. It's cool.

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Speaker 2: And I love that Matt said that because that means

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Speaker 1: He literally was like, this is how I get an

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Speaker 2: He's a good dude too, doesn't hurt that he's a good.

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Speaker 1: Soul, Yeah, for sure. So what I'd love to do

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Speaker 1: you said that obviously that wasn't the original intent for

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Speaker 1: the Farragun. I'd love to dive in from the get

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Speaker 1: go and just talk a little bit about your backstory.

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Speaker 1: So what were you doing, Let's say about ten years

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Speaker 2: Ten years ago right now, I was driving on a

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Speaker 1: A motorcycle, all right, And what happened on the motorcycles?

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Speaker 2: you know, I think the cool thing at the time,

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Speaker 1: Have you always had you always had an interest in

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Speaker 2: go detour my twenties, which is a whole another podcast,

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Speaker 2: other podcasts, I say, but it's it's I've always been

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Speaker 2: work on people have strokes. Right, It's very rare you

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Speaker 1: So where did you go to school here in La?

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Speaker 2: You know. I wasn't prepared for what was coming, and

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Speaker 2: with the right kind of tools and motivation, you know.

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Speaker 2: So those it was. It was a terrible experience at

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Speaker 1: Though I do right, and so what was the extent

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Speaker 2: Well, I my arm got cut open. My right arm

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Speaker 2: It was about nine millimeters and in that space in

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Speaker 2: So it just caused a lot of nerve damage. So actually,

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Speaker 1: And how tall are you?

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Speaker 1: What give the people at home listening like a sense

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Speaker 1: physical therapist's office in New York City bespoke treatments. I

432
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Speaker 1: think you know those guys as well. I'm just texting

433
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Speaker 1: literally Dan.

434
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

435
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: So Dan is a good friend of mine, and his

436
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Speaker 1: team there is excellent. And it wasn't until I went

437
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: to see Dan and he did like a few different

438
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: things in one session, and I walked out of that

439
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: office and I was like, that is what it's supposed

440
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: to be like when you go to a physical therapist.

441
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: They're supposed to give you homework. You're supposed to be

442
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: able to do things on your own, and they're supposed

443
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: to teach you something I had never felt like I

444
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: really learned before when I walked into someone's office like that.

445
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: So to hear you say that that's something that you prioritize,

446
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: especially with your patients, that that's something that you prioritize

447
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: with your patients. I think that's so telling of the

448
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: kind of person that you are.

449
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, but that makes sense to me. I mean,

450
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 2: why would I care more about your body than you do? Right,

451
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: That's amazing, Like that's a lot of that's a lot

452
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Speaker 2: of disempowerment. So for me and I've met Dan, and

453
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Speaker 2: it's really weird. We have this like kindred thoughts and spirits.

454
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: He's a good dude. But I'm glad you experienced that

455
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 2: because you don't understand it until you have, and then

456
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: when you do, it's like this kind of light bulb experience.

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this man, you have, this man and his wife

458
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Speaker 1: and your practice.

459
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Speaker 2: And I explained it to him. She looks at me like,

460
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Speaker 2: what are you nuts? And the next day I brought

461
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Speaker 2: it back to the office and I shared it with

462
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Speaker 2: him and I showed him how to use it, and

463
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: I explained to him what he's doing.

464
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Speaker 1: So what is this? At the time, it was like.

465
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Speaker 2: It was a power tool, Yeah, a plug in power

466
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: tool that I kind of combined these two things and

467
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: then made my own attachment and I used this little ball.

468
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: It was alf Pham practice golf ball that I eventually

469
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: ended up you know, it was a little rainbow cat toys.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little foam ball. Yeah, that's what I ended

471
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: up using as well. That's normal.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So I showed it to him, showed him

473
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Speaker 2: how to use it.

474
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Speaker 1: But what happened is he experienced the same thing.

475
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Speaker 2: That I did, and I was like, wait, there's something

476
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Speaker 2: to this right fast forward. Now thousands of people are

477
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Speaker 2: doing it for the same reason.

478
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Speaker 1: But my question to you is, obviously that doesn't happen. No,

479
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: these thousands of people don't just get a fair gun

480
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: in their hands the hands overnight. So how does one

481
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Speaker 1: go from like this, this moment where you're the aha

482
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Speaker 1: moment to all right, we're going to make this thing

483
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Speaker 1: and we're going to make it something really great.

484
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Speaker 2: There's not one sentence to describe that. There's really not

485
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: it's it's uh and you said you were broke at

486
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: the time, yeah, and so like what I'm going to

487
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: be like I quit at least a dozen times, yeah,

488
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: meaning fuck this, I don't have the time for this.

489
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Speaker 2: This isn't going anywhere. You know, they say when you're

490
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Speaker 2: the first to do something you're crazy. Yeah, how many

491
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 2: times I was the crazy guy? Oh you're that guy,

492
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Speaker 2: You're the crazy Cairo. That's the look I get. Oh,

493
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: And it just it was literally overcoming. And and to

494
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: be honest, dead honest, there's something about this thing that's

495
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: bigger than me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It just pushed me and I couldn't It's like I

498
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: couldn't sleep, I couldn't drive. It was always there like,

499
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 2: don't let me go, don't let me go. And I

500
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: would see it affect people's lives in such a positive way.

501
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: That's what drove me.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really special too. I had Sadie Lincoln

503
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: on the podcast. She's the founder of Bar three, and

504
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: she told me that when she finally concepted Bar three

505
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: in her head, she went into what she affectionately calls

506
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: to be warrior state. And that's when your eyes on

507
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: the prize, you know you're doing the right thing. And

508
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Speaker 1: when you've got that certain level of passion, it doesn't

509
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Speaker 1: feel like work anymore.

510
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. And that's where I'm at now. I mean,

511
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 2: people say, how do you do that? Because I travel

512
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: a lot, it's not I swear to God, this is

513
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: going to seem super crazy. But I'm just sharing smiles.

514
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 2: How is that bad? Like, it's not work. Travel sucks

515
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: like in and out, airplanes nail the TSA and anyone

516
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: that's in that industry is God bless them because that's

517
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: a really tough thing. But it's what I'm doing is

518
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: not work. It's really it's the biggest blessing in it.

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Speaker 1: with doctor Jason Worsland. He is the creator of the

539
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Speaker 1: thearragun So talk to me about how the first Theragon

540
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: really came to be, Like, were you looking at prototype

541
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: after prototype? Well, who we're working with?

542
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the G one was actually my fifth version.

543
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 2: Technically we released it for sale the same time we

544
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: kind of did our website, which was in the middle

545
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Speaker 2: of twenty sixteen, so May June of sixteen. Then in

546
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: August of twenty seventeen released the G two. So we

547
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: created what is now the G two that everyone knows.

548
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: So it's it's the sixth version over all these years,

549
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's been a work a community product.

550
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: That's why sometimes people are like, you did this. I

551
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: championed it a little bit, but man, I couldn't have

552
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: done this without so much input. I mean, we have

553
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: different attachments that were created from by friends of mine

554
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: that we're so cool and willing to just let me

555
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: have the like the information to have the information to

556
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: make that So the fact that it has a twelve

557
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: vote battery, you know, that's definitely something I wanted. But

558
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: to get the confirmation from other people that were using

559
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: some of my first versions, Dude, the chord sucks. You

560
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: need a battery. So you know you asked, like, how

561
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: did it get here? It was a lot of input,

562
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: a lot of help, and something in the universe that

563
00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: just wouldn't let me leave it.

564
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Speaker 1: So you're saying that not every theragon has like a

565
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: rainbow cat toy on the if you want one of

566
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: those limited edition yeah, right. I think it's important kind

567
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: of to note that how much does the theragun retail for?

568
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: Right now?

569
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Speaker 2: The G two is five ninety.

570
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Nine, okay, And I think that obviously with anything that

571
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: costs a substantial amount of money, and some people are

572
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: going to look at that price tag and be like, wow,

573
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: that's a lot that there's a barrier to entry of sorts,

574
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: right for someone that wants to benefit their mobility, what

575
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Speaker 1: are like some like kind of easy suggestions you might

576
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Speaker 1: have to them if like they don't have access or

577
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Speaker 1: really can't afford a theragon.

578
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Speaker 2: Great question. There are other products out there that do

579
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: provide a vibrational therapy to them, to your tissue in

580
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: the body that responds to that. There's you know, there's

581
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: the content the pressure from foam rolling. You know, some

582
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: people that have used the product for a while, we'll

583
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: say this is foam rolling made easier without pain. So

584
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: I think the fact that there's that direct link to it,

585
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: I think it's two parts. Number One, it's you're kind

586
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: of using it in the same areas, and the second

587
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: thing is you're kind of looking for that same outcome.

588
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: So I'm not a huge proponent of foam rolling because

589
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: I think sometimes your margin for air is.

590
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Speaker 1: So high, why don't you really quickly for someone that

591
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: may never have picked up a phone roller? What is

592
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: like the goal?

593
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: Typically it's called controlled trauma, and what you're doing is

594
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: you're stimulating the body's natural response to either flushing out

595
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: post exercise toxins, kind of working out what people refer

596
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: to as trigger points or knots in their muscle, and

597
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: as little as working out, you know, post exercise pain,

598
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: Like I'm super sore from riding a bike and doing

599
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: a spinning class and I just want that pain to

600
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: go away for a long time. That was presented to

601
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: us that foam rolling does that helps with that. So

602
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: your controlled trauma is mashing the muscle and the body

603
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: recognizes that, so it sends these healing properties there to

604
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: kind of help heal it. There's a there's some science

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00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: that proves that vibration and percussion actually inhibit the golgie tendon.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a lot to science. It's a science, yeah, interesting.

607
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: But the golgie tendon is the white tissue of our body,

608
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: which is what we feel when we're tight. When you

609
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: like wake up or you're getting ready to play or

610
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: work out or something and you're just not ready. That

611
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: not ready means my body's not mobile enough for me

612
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: to move and feel safe. So how do I do that?

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00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: Well?

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00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: Traditionally you would stretch and ride a bike can warm

615
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: up and get your body moving and heat your tissue

616
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: up so that you feel quote unquote ready. There's some

617
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: science coming out that shows a static stretching actually isn't

618
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: really good for our bodies. And if you can provide

619
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: some sort of mechanical sting, emulation, vibration, percussion, foam rolling,

620
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: anything like that. You're going to help facilitate that range

621
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Speaker 2: of motion increase and your body's ability to move better.

622
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 2: So to answer your question directly, there are other products

623
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: out there. There's one called the Thumper that you can

624
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: buy it at Brickstone. You have tool of balls on

625
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: the end and you turn it on. It has variable speeds.

626
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: But the thing that's really tough to duplicate is what

627
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: we've found and I always call it the secret sauce

628
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: is the amplitude, frequency, and torque of our product. So

629
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: those three things combined and what really makes it. And

630
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Speaker 2: I had to learn this, believe me. It wasn't something

631
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: that I was like, oh yeah, I got it being lottery.

632
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 2: It was like I really had to work through that.

633
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 2: So if they can find something that has those three things,

634
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Speaker 2: you know, go for it.

635
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Speaker 1: Why is it important to be mobile in the first place?

636
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Speaker 1: Like what does that do for your body?

637
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Speaker 2: The more mobile you are, more healthy you are. The

638
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: less mobile you are more dead you are. So I

639
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: say mobility and balance. If you look at a little kid,

640
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: eight nine year old kid who has his mobility and balance.

641
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: That's healthy at its extreme. Now you take a ninety

642
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: year old person, they have the total opposite, zero flexibility,

643
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: zero mobility, They're closer to dying. So in my practice,

644
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: that's usually what I would say to people. If you

645
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 2: have balance and mobility, you're alive. The less manbalance and mobility,

646
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: you have more dead you are. Yeah, you to be blunt,

647
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Speaker 2: that's it. So my goal as a physician, as a chiropractic,

648
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: as a health practitioner is I want you to have

649
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: more mobility.

650
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more balance. I could tell you are really

651
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: you really meant that because you were excitedly clapping your eye.

652
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like it's I love it because it works.

653
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: There's a way to do it.

654
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: Aside from mobility work, what do you think is a

655
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: way that people are unintentionally neglecting their bodies on the regular.

656
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: Now in two thousand and eighteen, I think there's a

657
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: big push right now. Our lifestyles kind of support this

658
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: high intensity training. So you have this forty five minutes,

659
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to go do this hit class, I'm going

660
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: to do a spin class. I'm going to run to

661
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: this thing, and we don't take the time to prepare

662
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: our bodies for this high intensity training for however many

663
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: minutes you're going to do that, and we don't take

664
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: the time for our bodies to recover from that. So

665
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: you just bolt out the class, take the class, and

666
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: you built back to work, shout oh yeah, showered. I

667
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: got back in my desk or back to what I

668
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: was doing in the time that I wanted to. So

669
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: there's there's all these things around us that support that,

670
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 2: but there's really been nothing to help treat ourselves. Yeah,

671
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: you have to, you have to schedule the and believe

672
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: me this for the record, love massage therapists. This does

673
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: not replace the massage therapist. There's something super valuable to

674
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: having someone put their hands on you and move your

675
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: tissues and touch you the way a massage therapist do.

676
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: You can't get that, you can't duplicate that, but this

677
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: is something to kind of bridge the gap between those

678
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: painful days where your shoulder might be sore and you

679
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: don't have the time to see a massage therapist. So

680
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: to answer your question, I think it's the nowadays. It's

681
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: the high intensity training that people are participating in and

682
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: not taking the same amount of time to treat their

683
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: bodies from the where and tear it is? Did that

684
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: answer your question?

685
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: No, totally answer my question. Speaking of wear and tear,

686
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you probably experience that a fair amount

687
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: because of your ridiculous travel schedule. Yeah, So like, give

688
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: me like a snippet of what you've been up to

689
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: for the past month. Where have you been.

690
00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: I came back from I was in Poland, Germany, France,

691
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: New York, got back, was home for a few days,

692
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: like two days, and then I left for China actually

693
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: Soul Korea. I was in there for there for five days,

694
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 2: Hong Kong for five days, Shanghai for three days, Beijing

695
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: for five days. Flew back, got back at one thirty

696
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: in the morning, and the next morning at seven, I

697
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: flew to my family farm and hung out with my family.

698
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: So it's been NonStop.

699
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: How do you find balance when you're constantly on the

700
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: go like that?

701
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, my form of meditation is working out.

702
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: That's where I get a chance to just kind of

703
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: let it go and just breathe. I got to do

704
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: a presentation with whim Hoff in Germany and to be

705
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: able to understand and hear his perception of breathing and

706
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: how it really affects our parasympathetic and our sympathetic nervous system.

707
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: There's really no other science out there like that, and

708
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: his attitude about it is so in fact acious. I

709
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: love the way he presents but that I try to

710
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: work out. I try to breathe.

711
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: What do you do to work out?

712
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: I have these little routines that I do. It really

713
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 2: depends on what hotel I'm in. To be honest with you, Yeah,

714
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: I do insanity as often as I can, you know,

715
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: depending on the situation and where I'm at. Definitely don't

716
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: do insanity the day I'm going to travel, because then

717
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm doing the exact thing I told you, high intensity,

718
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: and then I sit. You know, it's really important to

719
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: when you use the theragun that you include moving. So

720
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: no matter how much I use a theragun after an

721
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: intense insanity work out, jumping on an airplane is not

722
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: the best thing. So I stay active, you know, I

723
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: try to. I try to eat right, try exclamation try.

724
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: I'm a huge sweet guy. It's just really trying to

725
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: plan that out, like where am I going, what am

726
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 2: I doing? How can I fit in a workout when.

727
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: You look back over the last ten or so years,

728
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: what has been some of the best advice that you've

729
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: been given in your career, because things have taken off

730
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: for you in the last two years since this really

731
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: got going.

732
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: Consistency. There's a there's a post that that The Rock

733
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: put up that had something about the level of success

734
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: is relative to your ability to be consistent, and that's hard.

735
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: I feel like patience and consistency don't apply until you're

736
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: over them. What I mean like, I'll be patient, Well,

737
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be still. You'd be patient if you were impatient, mm,

738
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: be consistent. They wouldn't tell you to be consistent if

739
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 2: you weren't if you were inconsistent. So that's what I had.

740
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: It's it's doing it every single time, Like when I

741
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 2: wake up in the morning, I had to do what

742
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: I had to do that day, and I had to

743
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: keep doing it and keep doing it. And when I

744
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: tell you, I quit a dozen times. There were days

745
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, screw this, I'm not doing this today. For

746
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: some reason, that habit just jumping right back on a

747
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: couple of days later and doing it again. So that

748
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: was a good one. I've had some really good friends

749
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: of mine that are kind of spiritual guides and therapists,

750
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: and you know, they've said, you know, you just have

751
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: to listen to that voice inside and stay focused and

752
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: believe and trust. I met this kid in Soul, Korea

753
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: who asked me the same question. We're having dinner, and

754
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: he didn't want to hear the question the answers, and

755
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: I just said, you have to keep going.

756
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: Why did he want to hear the answer?

757
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: Because it was he was to the point I could

758
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: tell that he was worn out and he created something

759
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: that he wanted to release, and he'd keep butting his

760
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: head against something. And I didn't know that. I didn't

761
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: know enough of his story. But as I was saying this,

762
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: I see him tearing up and he was really emotionally

763
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: responding to what I was saying. And I asked him

764
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: more about it, and it was just He's like, I

765
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: knew you were going to say that I have to

766
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: keep going.

767
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: I know, obviously you're passionate about your product, but on

768
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: those days that you felt like just so exhausted, what

769
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: other factors in your life like really kept you doing?

770
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: Kids? For sure, Yeah, that there's no way I was

771
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: going to let them down. I have to there you

772
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: go fight back in twears here kids for sure, and

773
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, setting a good example for them. And this

774
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: there's something about it. I can't explain it. There's something

775
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: about this thing that I couldn't shake, you know, I'd quit.

776
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: I did practice management and I worked with software stuff

777
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: in California, building software programs for physicians in injury based practices.

778
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: So I was really kind of dabbling and working in

779
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: that that would help fund my ability to spend time

780
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: researching and building more products and things in the theragun

781
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: So that was kind of my my way of getting

782
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: through it. But I would I would be like, Okay,

783
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: screw that, I'm not doing theraguon anymore. I can't handle this.

784
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: I got and I'd turn and spend three or four

785
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: days really focused on that. Other businesses, the other businesses

786
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: that I was doing consulting, and something would happen, some

787
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: patient would call, an athlete would call, hey, can you

788
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: treat me? Yeah, And I'd inevitably turned to the gun

789
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: because it would do what I needed to do in

790
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 2: a quick way. And the way they would respond, I'd

791
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: just feel an immense responsibility to not deny that. So

792
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: I couldn't it was like this.

793
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: Curse when you say, I just I meant to ask

794
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: you was the name Thearra gun? Like pretty easy to

795
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: come up with.

796
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: Well, you geez, like three or four years of names

797
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: and I don't even want to tell you some of

798
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: the names we had. One day, one night I was

799
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: sitting I mentioned to you I did this practice management.

800
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 2: I was working with the buddy of mine. We were

801
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: in the SAG building on Wilshire and it was late

802
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 2: one night. We were both in our offices working away

803
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: doing reporting and stuff, and he yelled, I got it,

804
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: like what come here?

805
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: Running his office and he's sitting there and he said it.

806
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: There a gun And I was like, whoa.

807
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: I remember when I came up with hurdle. I was

808
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: sitting in my apartment, not even thinking about thank you,

809
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: not even thinking about the podcast, just talking about some

810
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: stuff I was going through with a girlfriend. And I

811
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: looked at her with so much sincerity and I said,

812
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: I just need to get over this hurdle.

813
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: Boom. I get that a lot. I totally understand you're.

814
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Talking about it. And it just happened. It was like yep,

815
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: like that's it. And then and then all the other

816
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: things started to happen. That war year State started to happen.

817
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: It was like, all right, well, now we've got a name,

818
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: and all right, we're talking about hurdles. But like, I

819
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: care so much about health and wellness, and I'm a

820
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: certified personal trainer, and this is like what I'm good at.

821
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk to people that like care

822
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: about wellness and we're going to talk about these hurdles

823
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: and we're going to get through them together and sit

824
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: here and probably cry half the time. And that's just

825
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: what we're going to do.

826
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: Man.

827
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: And so I hear you. I hear you. When when

828
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: you hear that name, you get that feeling.

829
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unnot I get it.

830
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity to give someone a book,

831
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: what books do you like to gift?

832
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: The Secret? You remember that from a while ago?

833
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: From a while ago, Yeah, it was.

834
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 2: It probably ten years ago or so. The Secret is

835
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: one that just talks about intention and how to live

836
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: with intention and understanding how to work within the powers

837
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: of the universe because there are universal laws and just

838
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: understanding those things that that, to me is something that

839
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: I always go back to. I'm reading the fiftieth Law.

840
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've read that one. Yeah, it's

841
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: about fifty cent. It's a really cool book and inspirational book.

842
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: The last person that I would have thought that would

843
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: have written something like this, but it's a really cool book.

844
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird that I feel like in conversation

845
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: lately fifty cent has been coming up?

846
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Where is that guy?

847
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: You know what? I don't know. I think it's actually

848
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: because he's been on this episode of Million Dollar Listing

849
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: that's been on repeat lately, and so all of a sudden,

850
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: fifty cent is relevant.

851
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: Interesting.

852
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know that many, but you are. You're reading

853
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: these books.

854
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a it's a really cool book, inspirational

855
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 2: just but it talks about how just never quitting. Yeah,

856
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: so those are anything that has anything to do with that.

857
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: I mean I get people shared books with me all

858
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: the time, and unfortunately I'm not a huge reader. Yeah,

859
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 2: but I love people that inspire you to just keep

860
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: pushing forward totally. That's the and trust the universe.

861
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you take a step back and you

862
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: look at your career so far and you think about

863
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 1: the people you've treated. Also, I feel like it's kind

864
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: of important to talk about the things that the Farragan

865
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: can do aside from help with mobility, and for you

866
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: it helped you kind of treat some of the nerve

867
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: damage and the rehab that you were going through. I

868
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: remember when we sat down previously, we were talking about

869
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: vibration therapy in relation to like arthritis. Yeah, like what

870
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: else are people using this for?

871
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: Pain? Signals to our brain travel in at a frequency.

872
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: The brain has a hierarchy, and we're sitting here, and

873
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: if some guy busted through that door with a gun,

874
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: that would become way more important than anything we're talking about. Right,

875
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: that's the brain's way of surviving. So that same law

876
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: applies to us throughout the day. The most, the highest

877
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: stimulus is what our brain is focusing on. So whether

878
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: it's the necklace around your neck that you put on

879
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: in the first three seconds, you're aware of it until

880
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: you got it where you wanted it, and then you

881
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: haven't thought about it probably since you put it on.

882
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: So the brain recognized that, So that that's not important.

883
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: But if you what I like to use as a

884
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: comparison to paper cut, you're a pad of paper cut.

885
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 2: Most people have had a paper cut.

886
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: I've had put those suck got the worst.

887
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a paper cut really yeah. So if

888
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: you had a paper cut and a sprained ankle, those

889
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: are those are both to a lay person, those are

890
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: both painful experiences. But to the brain, they're coming in

891
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: at different frequencies. Because the paper cut is on our skin,

892
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 2: a perfonal nervous system that's coming in it two hundred

893
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 2: and eighty five miles an hour really fast. That's why

894
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: you're all aware of it. You're like, God, you can't sleep

895
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: sometimes because you have a paper cut. Yeah, but you

896
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: can sleep with a sprained ankle because that signal's coming

897
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: in at fifty five miles an hour. It's really slow.

898
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: Understanding those two things is what's really helped me understand

899
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Speaker 2: how to use the product and why other people using it.

900
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: So fibromyalga. Fibromalgae is a muscular scale problem and it

901
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: causes pain. Pain that I had is no different than

902
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: the pain you're someone would have a fiber myalga. The

903
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: nervous system is regulating that is important or not important.

904
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: So if now I introduce something to your body that's

905
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: vibrating at a really high frequency on the same area

906
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: that your paper cut was, you're sending signals in on

907
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: that pathway. So now that feel good vibration or percussion

908
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: is literally overriding the pain they're experiencing from a fibromyalgae.

909
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: Which is why that would make me feel good if

910
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: I is using it because I have lower back arthritis.

911
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: Yes, because the arthritis is central nervous system bones and

912
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: joints and muscles that travels to the brain at a

913
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: slower rate than something that's in our perferal nervous system,

914
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: our skin.

915
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: And it's important. You put your hand on a fire,

916
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: you pull.

917
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: Away, Well, if it was a slower process, you probably

918
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: burn yourself before you could pull away.

919
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: What has been one of the most rewarding things for you?

920
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: Obviously now a lot of people know who you are,

921
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: they know your product, You've had this opportunity to travel

922
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: around the world. What's one of the most rewarding things

923
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: that has happened to you in the last couple of

924
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: years with this new opportunity.

925
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: It's hard to say one thing, because I just I

926
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: keep getting blessed and surprised and blessed and surprised, you know,

927
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: the first time going to Moscow and thinking what the

928
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: heck am I doing here? And then seeing that people

929
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: knew what it was and they were so excited to

930
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: see me and hear what I'm presenting about this new science.

931
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: So it's I'm serious. It's tough to answer that right

932
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 2: now because I feel like my life is just an

933
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: enormous amusement park and everywhere I turn is amazing experiences.

934
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: But I think the most basic thing is everywhere I

935
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: go up people smile like I treat them and they smile.

936
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Speaker 2: I can't. I can't.

937
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: That's it's powerful totally.

938
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Speaker 2: You know. I get to work with amazing athletes, like

939
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, people that are would be considered top in

940
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: the world, and guess what, they respond the same way

941
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: you do.

942
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. I don't know if

943
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: you know this about me, but I'm one of the

944
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: best athletes in the world. I didn't want to say

945
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: that it's okay. I know you don't want to love

946
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: my spot, but I hear you. I think it's important,

947
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: and it's because you've worked on something with all of

948
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: your heart that that makes a difference. Yeah, And whether

949
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: or not whether you're creating a you know, a tool

950
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: for athletes or for the average show, or if you're

951
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: creating maybe in my case, like a podcast, like working

952
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: something that can make a difference is so powerful. Yeah,

953
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: it's so powerful.

954
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: I just thought of this. I think there's the things

955
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: that are that ignite me are when I find some

956
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: science validation, Because for the longest time I was crazy,

957
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: like there's no way. Kelly Starrett is a well known

958
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: person in the wellness and treatment of ourself kind of arena,

959
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: and I had a chance ability wat Yeah, he's a

960
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: great guy, and a lot of our paths criss cross

961
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: and we've chances to catch up. And the last time

962
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Speaker 2: he was just like I love this analogy. He said,

963
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: if you're lighting a fire with a match and it

964
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: keeps blowing out and I come over with a torch

965
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: and I light that fire with a torch, do you

966
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: care how it happened? No? It worked? Like right, I

967
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 2: have to see him and explain to you the science

968
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: why have this torch and made that fire? So I

969
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: love his attitude. It gave me. It really gave me

970
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 2: strength to be like, really, you're gonna argue with me

971
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: about this, put it on you and tell me it

972
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: doesn't work right? Right, So little things like that really

973
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: like Okay, that just pushed me into that next kind

974
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: of level.

975
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Speaker 1: To follow that up. I mean, we talk about rewarding situations,

976
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: but what has been one of the biggest failures that

977
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: you've experienced that has really taught you one of the

978
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: biggest lessons.

979
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, trusting people. Yeah, that's probably been one of the

980
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: toughest things because it initially when I first had it

981
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 2: and people recognize what it is. I would share stories

982
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: or insight on things that I was doing, and it

983
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 2: would come back around eventually and get me. I don't know,

984
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 2: that's a tough question. Really, it's I think. I mean,

985
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 2: people don't know this, but I've been through four different

986
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: partners and I've had to bail myself out with all

987
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: of those partners. I mean, the road to get to

988
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: where I am now and what you see was not easy.

989
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: It was five I have hard years and ten years

990
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: five years before that of just figuring it out and

991
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: grinding through and just kind of having it be my

992
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: your only resource. You know. It's just interesting how things

993
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: work so.

994
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: And having to be strong for yourself, like having to

995
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: rely on yourself.

996
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I could say I had family

997
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 2: bail on me, and you know, for the longest time,

998
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: My parents didn't even know what I did. They're like,

999
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: you went to school to be a chiropritor what are

1000
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: you doing?

1001
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, So there's it.

1002
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: It's really just being kind of thick skinned. And at

1003
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: the time, it's not like I woke up in the

1004
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: morning said I'm going to be thick skinned, because I

1005
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: still was hurt by things people would say, or bothered

1006
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: by that, or anxious because I didn't know what text

1007
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: I was going to get the next morning about things.

1008
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: So it's it's been it's been a roller coaster, but

1009
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: this last few years has been just amazing.

1010
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: You have an opportunity to give yourself the guy a

1011
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: me imediately post motorcycle accident. One piece of advice is

1012
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: what is the piece of advice that you give to him?

1013
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: Looking back on it now.

1014
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: It's funny you asked that because I've had the opportunity,

1015
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: and as a chiropractor you I've had that opportunity, and

1016
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: I see that look in people's eyes. The best thing

1017
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: I can do is give him faith. This isn't permanent,

1018
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: it's not going to last forever.

1019
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: Trust in that faith, Yeah, no matter what the hurdle is.

1020
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: It's like they all happen to teach us a lesson. Right,

1021
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: So when you look back on that accident and like

1022
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: how scary it was at times, and how you were like,

1023
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: how am I going to be able to use my hands?

1024
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: How am I going to practice? I just spent the

1025
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: last three, four, five, six, eight years with this goal

1026
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: in mind, and seconds gone. It's changed. But now what

1027
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: you said, that was eleven years.

1028
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 2: Ago, October two thousand and seven.

1029
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: Okay, eleven years later, we're sitting in your brand new

1030
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: office in Santa Monica. And that's because you had the

1031
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: mental toughness to not only believe that you were going

1032
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: to get through that without getting surgery, which is bananas,

1033
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: but then keep your head up when you had this

1034
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: idea and you had faith that you could create a

1035
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: product that was bleep in epic. Yeah, and that's dope.

1036
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's overwhelming, it's it's but it's a cool thing.

1037
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: It's a cool thing. Yeah, it's a cool thing. That

1038
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: take it to help a lot of people.

1039
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a huge blessing.

1040
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for sitting down with me.

1041
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: No, thanks for doing this. This is really cool. I'm

1042
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: glad to met you in New York. Was kind of serendipitous,

1043
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: that serendipitous.

1044
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Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by

1045
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

1046
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

1047
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

1048
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Speaker 1: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

1049
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast. Jason. Where do they find you? Where

1050
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: do they find Theragun? Give them the lowdown?

1051
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

1052
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: Instagram is at theragun.

1053
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: You can email me at DJW at farragun dot com.

1054
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: We have an office in Santa Monica. It's a really

1055
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: cool place, like.

1056
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Speaker 1: You said, And what's your social handle?

1057
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: Mine is doctor Jason worzland d R J s O

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Speaker 2: n W E R s l A n D. I

1059
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Speaker 2: know when I did it, there wasn't doctor j wasn't available,

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Speaker 2: which it was.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I am at Emily

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Speaker 1: and body another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.