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Speaker 2: Good. How you doing I'm doing good. We come in.

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Speaker 2: We reminisce about the fact that we have been at

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Speaker 2: That means we're old older. I like to use that older.

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Speaker 2: We Uh, we got a lot to cover today. We

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Speaker 2: got a lot of NBA playoff news. We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: to I got a lot of basketball stories. I certainly

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Speaker 2: want to get the thoughts from Olden Polonies over the

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Speaker 2: course of the day. Also, John Palmer Rosi's gonna join us.

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Speaker 2: He is our MLB in sider here at Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: So we have two playoff games coming up today. First

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Speaker 2: one is going to be the Pacers and Knicks, and

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Speaker 2: then later the tee Wolves taking on the defending NBA

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Speaker 2: champion Denver Nuggets. I want to ask you right at

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Speaker 2: the top about your former University of Virginia teammate Rick Carla.

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Speaker 2: So you and Rick, of course, helped Virginia to that

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Speaker 2: magical run to the final four back in nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 2: your freshman year, when you replace that loser, Ralph Sampson

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Speaker 2: last two years of Virginia, the great Ralph Sampson Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer, and you take over as a freshman, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I had a magical run to the final four.

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Speaker 2: Rick was a senior on that team, one of the

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Speaker 2: leaders of your team. And obviously he's gone on to

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Speaker 2: have a very successful career as a coach in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: He's done a great turnaround job of the Pacers. A

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Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, you know, I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: with the Dallas. But he made a comment Olden in

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Speaker 2: your seventeen years of professional basketball, fifteen years in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: fact that small market teams are not getting a fair shake.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Pacers going against the Knicks, who are

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Speaker 2: a Knicks organization. That's very important to this league that

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Speaker 2: to be good, you want the Celtics to be good,

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Speaker 2: you want the Lakers to be good. But does he

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Speaker 2: have a point. Did you ever feel like because you

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Speaker 2: played for major market teams some of the smaller market teams,

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Speaker 2: do you feel like major market teams get certain advantages?

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Speaker 2: And of course he was addressing some of the officiating,

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Speaker 4: I believe that, and Rick, I mean, he called it

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Speaker 4: and it's unfortunate. But I get the point. The major

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Speaker 4: markets make the NBA more money, period and so to

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Speaker 4: me that's a problem because it's supposed to be a

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Speaker 4: fair game across the board, but it's not always that way.

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Speaker 4: Based on how certain calls. And I've always said this,

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Speaker 4: like football holding is fifteen yards period. You know, certain

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Speaker 4: It's fifteen yards, it's this, it's that NBA. I can

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Speaker 4: It's a file today. It's not a file to mark.

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Speaker 4: It's not a file on the next play. It's all

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Speaker 4: But and I still remember back in I can't remember

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Speaker 4: They had played earlier two thousand year Lakers Portland. There's

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Speaker 2: I was at that seventh game. The remarkable Laker comeback

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm a Laker fan and that's still like, hmm,

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Speaker 2: Well, remember the Lakers got the similar Blake breaks a

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Speaker 2: don't know. It just seems like when people start screaming

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Speaker 2: But like you say, when we talk about calling fouls, look,

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Speaker 2: that's all he was doing was just playing over calling

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Speaker 2: more fouls, creating more points, more opportunities to score, and

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Speaker 4: Play, play every play you can call a foul. And

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Speaker 4: whether it was Shack, whether it was Tim Duncan, whether

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Speaker 4: people are like, well, you know, because he's never done

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Speaker 4: it's still the letter of the laws says you do

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Speaker 4: Draymond Green. So now you're having separate rules for different

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Speaker 2: So Rick Carlisle throughout his career, I remember when he

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Speaker 3: Somewhere in between used to have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when people talk about well, you know

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Speaker 2: How good would the rosters be It the NBA you

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Speaker 4: But you know it's like everybody wants to make the

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Speaker 4: it was the best players that were allowed to play.

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Speaker 4: Now this league is watered down with so many for

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Speaker 4: I kind of agree with you. It's like, Yo, maybe

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Speaker 2: I just again, I'm sorry. There's not basketball where a

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Speaker 2: What happened? Guy? How did you guys end up back

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Speaker 7: an eight footer. But he literally called it right as

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Speaker 7: you walked in.

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Speaker 2: I can always feel Olden's press.

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Speaker 6: You did, you did right, man.

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Speaker 3: We should work together all the time.

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Speaker 2: Steve, Yes, yes, it's too easy, too easy.

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Speaker 6: Too easy, he says, too easy.

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Speaker 7: We have a lot going on today, fellas. But right

436
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Speaker 7: now it's just a lot of baseball. We've got basketball

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Speaker 7: coming up, NHL coming up. Baseball, though. The Diamondbacks are

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Speaker 7: beating the Orioles one zero, trying to avoid the sweep

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Speaker 7: by Baltimore. They're going to start the fifth inning. The

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Speaker 7: Cubs are on top of the Pirates two to one.

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Speaker 7: Bottom of the fourth inning. The Red Sox have scored

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Speaker 7: first against the Nationals at home, three zero. Bottom of

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Speaker 7: the third. The Yankees have added another run. They're beating

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Speaker 7: the Rays to zero top of the fourth inning, while

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Speaker 7: the Phillies nick As the Yano's a three run homer.

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Speaker 7: They're up on top of the Marlins three to one,

447
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Speaker 7: trying to complete that sweep. It's the bottom of the third.

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Speaker 7: The Dodgers will be without show Heo tany today. He

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Speaker 7: experienced back lower tightness. Yesterday they did win at Petco Park.

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Speaker 7: The biggest crowd at Petco Park. A lot of Dodger

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Speaker 7: fans went to that Will Smith is gonna be dhing

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Speaker 7: instead against the Padres. At the Wells Fargo Championships, Anders Shoffley,

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Speaker 7: Rory McElroy, they were the leaders. Now they are tied

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Speaker 7: for the top spot twelve under part overall through three holes,

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Speaker 7: and then the NBA is gonna.

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Speaker 6: Kick off with the Draft lottery.

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Speaker 7: That's at three pm Eastern time, so in about thirty

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Speaker 7: minutes or so. Then it's a pair of game fours

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Speaker 7: to continue the playoffs. Indiana Pacers Nicks, they're gonna try

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Speaker 7: to even the series. Then the Timberwolves are gonna try

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Speaker 7: to even the series at home against the Nuggets.

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Speaker 6: That game's at eight pm Eastern time.

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Speaker 7: NHL Playoffs, the Bruins are gonna be without their captain

464
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Speaker 7: Brad Marshan for Game four against the Panthers. Marshannon left

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Speaker 7: Game three with an upper body injury. Florida leads that

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Speaker 7: series two to one, then the Connects and the oilers

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Speaker 7: will take place after that's Game three, a series that's

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Speaker 7: tied at one apiece, so plenty to go around today.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, MINSI, you probably heard Olden earlier agree

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Speaker 2: with you about the Jamal Murray situation. Oh so she

471
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Speaker 2: came on yesterday on Fire saying, because we were talking

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Speaker 2: about Denver's big bounce back went on the road against

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Speaker 2: the t walls, like he should not have been playing?

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Speaker 2: Why was he he should not? And you guys agree

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Speaker 2: on that.

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Speaker 6: Just a little bit of consistency. It just SU's a

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Speaker 6: bad precedent.

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Speaker 7: And I said to Steve Balls, like, expect players to

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Speaker 7: throw things now because they're gonna push the boundaries.

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Speaker 3: I have to, especially if I'm a first timer.

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Speaker 6: Exactly right shod.

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Speaker 7: And then I was like, you have a repeat offender

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Speaker 7: four games, that's nothing. They're gonna be pushing the boundaries

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Speaker 7: because they're seeing that.

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Speaker 6: It's like nothing's gonna happen to me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But Mike Canner and this whole thing. Look, I'm

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Speaker 2: not disagreeing with you the rules of the rules side,

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Speaker 2: but my point is you're saying, why would they do

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Speaker 2: Denver any favors. If you looked at the ratings last

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Speaker 2: year for the Nuggets Heat Final, it was significantly down

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Speaker 2: from the year before when you had the Warriors and

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Speaker 2: the Celtics. The Nuggets are not a draw in a

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Speaker 2: lot of ways. Yokich is Tim Duncan. If you look

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Speaker 2: at those San Antonio Spurs finals, the ratings were not good.

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Speaker 2: They were always down when San Antonio was in the

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Speaker 2: NBA finals, and Denver's the same way. Denver's not a draw.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if you think, well, they wanted

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Speaker 2: Denver to get back in the series or they want

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Speaker 2: Denver to win this series against Minnesota. I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: I think Minnesota's got more star power than Denver has.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're right, it's not about TV ratings. Here's

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Speaker 4: what it was about. You know, we don't want to

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Speaker 4: give the perception, okay that when we're controlling the game,

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Speaker 4: that's the that's the narrative and all that. But the

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Speaker 4: reality is this, If I suspend Jamal Murray, Okay. Now

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Speaker 4: it's like, oh my god, but if I don't suspend them.

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Speaker 4: The problem that I'm having, of course, is the fact

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Speaker 4: that now that you don't suspend him of Draymond Green okay,

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Speaker 4: actually has a case, you know, regardless of because the

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Speaker 4: letter of the laws said it's ABC, And now you

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Speaker 4: circumvented that by saying, well, we're gonna just do one

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand because it's his first offense. Into Monci's point,

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Speaker 4: now all the first timers, I get a free shot

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Speaker 4: at this.

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Speaker 2: Well, by the way, are they making up the rules

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Speaker 2: as they go? In other words, is there any rules?

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Speaker 2: It says that if you engage in that kind of

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Speaker 2: infraction and it's your first time of fence, there will

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Speaker 2: not be a suspension. Is there such a you're not.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: But we've had precedents of people throwing stuff, you know.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, he directed a throw at

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Speaker 4: the referee. I don't give a damn what they say.

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Speaker 4: He directed it at the ref that's a suspension. You

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Speaker 4: might as well just walk up there and swing at them.

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Speaker 4: It's the same thing. So that's the president that they've

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Speaker 4: just set. It's like, well, if it's your first offense.

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Speaker 4: Come on, now, I mean, it's ridiculous. Man, that's the problem.

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Speaker 4: So I don't care about the ratings and all that.

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Speaker 4: What they did was foul. He should have been suspended

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Speaker 4: and let the Whatever happened during the game happened during

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Speaker 4: the game. But now they o Pandul's boxes.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, all right, well we'll see what happens next. What

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Speaker 2: do you make of this series between the Nuggets and

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Speaker 2: the tea Walls? I mean, by the way, backtracking a

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Speaker 2: little bit here, So the Lakers lose a five game

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Speaker 2: series to the Nuggets, and the Lakers let all five

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Speaker 2: games at halftime. All five games the Lakers let at halftime.

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Speaker 2: So the argument about the Lakers was, well, you're close.

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Speaker 2: In other words, we're gonna Darvin Ham's gonna take the fall,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to get a coach in there. We're

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Speaker 2: going to get more into that situation a little bit later, Olden,

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Speaker 2: but the idea was the Lakers. If the Lakers are

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Speaker 2: leading the defending NBA champions at halftime of five consecutive games,

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Speaker 2: they're close. Well, we are also saying the Nuggets have

546
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Speaker 2: really been playing inconsistent all year long. Coach Malone has

547
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Speaker 2: been frustrated with this team throughout the season that they

548
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Speaker 2: don't always seem to show up. Maybe a little malaise

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Speaker 2: after winning a championship, maybe understandable first time you've ever

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Speaker 2: done it. But then after watch him getting blown out

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Speaker 2: at home in consecutive games to the t Wolves. Now,

552
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Speaker 2: if you're the Lakers, you're like, well, maybe we're not

553
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Speaker 2: as close to a championship where we thought if we

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Speaker 2: were using Denver as the bar. Minnesota is a whole

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Speaker 2: different level. So what do you expect? I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: it was a huge comeback a win for the Nuggets

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Speaker 2: with the addition of Murray, but they dominated the t

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Speaker 2: Wolves in Minnesota. The road teams obviously won all three

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Speaker 2: of the games so far. On the surface, it would

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Speaker 2: appear to me Minnesota is not a great matchup for

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Speaker 2: Denver because Denver's huge advantage against the Lakers was size,

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Speaker 2: and you're not gonna have size advantage when you got

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Speaker 2: the two big men inside for the t Wolves. So

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Speaker 2: how do you think the series is going to play out?

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Speaker 4: I think Denver's gonna win the series because all the

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Speaker 4: pressure that one win in Game three shifted all the

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Speaker 4: pressure onto Minnesota because you went into Denver and took

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Speaker 4: two games, and you lost your first game at home.

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Speaker 4: You have to win tonight, you have to, Okay, but

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Speaker 4: check it out. Let's say that Minnesota wins three to one. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Denver's backs against the Wall game. The next game is

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Speaker 4: in Denver, which they'll probably win. Now you have to

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Speaker 4: win game six because you don't want a game steping

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Speaker 4: back in Denver. So all the pressure is on the

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Speaker 4: Minnesota Timberwolves. I think you know, when Gobert was out

576
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Speaker 4: for the birth of his child, you know, it was

577
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Speaker 4: a great thing for the Minnesota Timberwolves to win that game.

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Speaker 4: And so when he comes back, he's great defensive player.

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Speaker 4: I mean defense played the year, but it does limit

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Speaker 4: some of the things that they do offensively, and so

581
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Speaker 4: Denver was taking advantage of a lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: And again, I just believe that they just smacked Denver

583
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Speaker 4: the first two games, and Denver was not expecting. You're right,

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Speaker 4: there was some malays and the fact that the Denver

585
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Speaker 4: Nuggets are defending champions. Say they walked out out there like, hey,

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Speaker 4: we beat this team last year. But the Denver forgot

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Speaker 4: two things. Jane McDaniels and Nas Reed, they did not

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Speaker 4: play last year, so that's a big difference. Also, the

589
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Speaker 4: same pass you were able to make against the Lakers, you.

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Speaker 3: Can't make those pasts against the Timberwolves.

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Speaker 2: That's insane.

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Speaker 3: Well, too long, the too athletic.

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Speaker 2: Well, and then why I get back to being roster

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Speaker 2: to roster. I just think the te Wolves have more star.

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Speaker 2: Parry got the sixth man of the year. Obviously you

596
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Speaker 2: got the two bigs inside. And then all right, so

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards, when you watch this guy play, and I

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Speaker 2: said this at the end of the regular season, which

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Speaker 2: I get about OKC and Minnesota, and you know where

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Speaker 2: they are in terms of Denver, and I guess the

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Speaker 2: only unanswered question is Shay Gil, Alexander and Anthony Edward.

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Speaker 2: Are these guys going to be that level of player

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Speaker 2: in the postseason. We're seeing it right now with Jalen Brunson,

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Speaker 2: obviously with the Knicks. Where guys and by the way,

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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray has been that guy for the Denver Nuggets,

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Speaker 2: the guy who's game. He's never been an All Star,

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Speaker 2: he's never been on any all NBA teams, but in

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Speaker 2: the big games, this guy stabs up.

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Speaker 3: And that's what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: Is Anthony Edwards. Does he have that look to you?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a guy that can take over a team,

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Speaker 2: take over a postseason.

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Speaker 3: Remember you will talk about leaders. Yeah, he's one of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this kid, at twenty two years old is a

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Speaker 4: bona fide team leader, your best player offensively, but he's

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Speaker 4: not selfish, and he's and he loves to play defense.

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Speaker 3: He wants to play defense.

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Speaker 4: I fell in love with Anthony Edwards when he made

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Speaker 4: the statement about load management. But kid that young to

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Speaker 4: have that presence of mind, That's when I was like,

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Speaker 4: I'm an Anthony Edwards fan.

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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm gonna take that a little bit further.

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Speaker 2: On the other side. Yeah, we go a little old

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Speaker 2: skill here, but it doesn't mean that this way change

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Speaker 2: is inevitable. You got to go with the changes. That

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that every change is the right change. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk about load management a little bit and how it's

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Speaker 2: affected the NBA and where we go from here. Even

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Speaker 2: though the league did step in and make some revisions

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Speaker 2: to discourage it, and I think for the NBA it

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Speaker 2: might have been the right decision. We'll explore more. This

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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Sunday. Steve Harbin Olden Polonies. Here Fox

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Speaker 2: Com Studios. Time management, time management. You know, as you

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Speaker 2: get older, you're aware of time. Time, you know is

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Speaker 2: you know, especially when we have children, as we have,

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Speaker 2: and suddenly they're a lot older. I remember a contemporary

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Speaker 2: of mine, or Herscheiser, the Great Pitcher, right after my

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Speaker 2: second son was born. He I was talking because I

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Speaker 2: my thirties, and he said, he said something I'll never

642
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: forget because I was, you know, had these two little

643
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: baby boys at home before my daughter was born, and

644
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: everything was just crazy busy, and he said, when you

645
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: have kids, the days are long, but the years are short.

646
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: Wow.

647
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: And by the way, on that note, a happy Mother's Day,

648
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 2: by the way to all the moms out there. Moms

649
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: do a lot of time. But it is true. I mean,

650
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: suddenly you just get so busy and then you blink

651
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, twenty years has passed

652
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: and it's like, wow, what happened there? How did it happen?

653
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: And so we hear about this load management and the

654
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: NBA set out to do something about it. Last year,

655
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: I believe the numbers were unreal. Of the top it wasn't.

656
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: The exact number was something like this. Of the top

657
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: twenty nine scorer scoring leaders in the NBA points per game,

658
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: only five had played at least seventy games. Seventy games,

659
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: not eighty seventy games. Five of the twenty nine. So

660
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: they set out these new rules that said, you're not

661
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: eligible for any postseason honors unless you play X amount

662
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: of games. It's like mid sixties or whatever. It was

663
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: like embiid miss too many games, so you're not going

664
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: to see him all in the All NBA. He's not

665
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: eligible for any of those kind of honors. But that

666
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: really and by the way, we did see our star

667
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: players play more this year. You know, suddenly Kawhi Leonard,

668
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: who's the poster boy for load management, showed up for

669
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: more games. We had, you know, Lebron and Anthony Davis

670
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: combine for one hundred and forty seven games this year.

671
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: Close I was like, wow, you mean you actually can

672
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: play that many games? Well, what do you make of this?

673
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, you've powered through seventeen professional season,

674
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: fifteen years in the NBA. I would question whether any

675
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: coach ever came up to you and asked you if

676
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: you were tired during an NBA game. So, well, what

677
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: do you make of this and how does it help

678
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: or harm the NBA in terms of load management and

679
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: the amount of minutes players are playing.

680
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: Well, I hate it.

681
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: I hate load management, and I blamed Popovich for this,

682
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 4: you know, but he had the right idea back then

683
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: with his older players. You know, I'm gonna sit you

684
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 4: guys certain games. So they were doing it the right way.

685
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: But it just became a thing. And that's the problem

686
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 4: with the NBA. It's a league of followers. Bill Shamans

687
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: started freaking shoot rounds because the Lakers happened to have

688
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: a couple shoot rounds one year, the year they won

689
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: the championship, you know, morning shoot rounds, and everybody's like,

690
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 4: oh my god, that's the secret to winning the championship.

691
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 4: Everybody started shoot rounds. I hated shoot rounds. Get up

692
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 4: at eight, you know, eight o'clock or whatever it is,

693
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: to go to ten o'clock. At eleven o'clock, shoot a

694
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: round and go back to the hotel. Crap, Because whatever

695
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: you heard at eleven am, you forgot at one pm.

696
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: So it didn't matter. So it's a bunch of followers.

697
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 4: Now everybody's doing load management, and it's not fair to fans.

698
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: It's not fed to the game. So I don't like

699
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: it personally, So I'm happy the league came up with this,

700
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: the sixty five game rule. You know, a lot of

701
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 4: people against it, but hey, if you want to be

702
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 4: acknowledged as a great player as all NBA, you gotta

703
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: show up bout of mind.

704
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: You can't tell me that athletes of this caliber are tired.

705
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: You just can't. Again, Michael Jordan's final season with the

706
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: Washington Wizards, out of eighty two games, he played in

707
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: eighty two games. He was forty years old. He wasn't

708
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: the young Michael Jordan. He showed up, and a lot

709
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: of players that were, you know. I mean we were

710
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: talking during one of the breaks about Malone and Stockton,

711
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: I mean combined in there, what seventeen years together with

712
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: the Jazz. I think they combined missed ten games in

713
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: seventeen years, some crazy.

714
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: Nothing, insane numbers, insane, But everybody was doing it. It

715
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 4: wasn't just one guy, you know, And so to me,

716
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: these guys now everybody's concerned about their body I'm like, dude,

717
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: we all concern about our bodies, but you can't cheat

718
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: the game because the game will get you back.

719
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: I remember a story of a dear friend of mine

720
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: has four seats for the Clippers that cost them a

721
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: zillion dollars, And he had a friend of big time

722
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: client that he wanted to bring to a game and

723
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: the night before they were on a back to back Kawhi.

724
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: The night before it scored thirty five points outstanding. This

725
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: guy's I can't wait to see Kawhi. They sit down

726
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: their seats, Kwie in his street clubs.

727
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

728
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: And so he he gets out of his seat. He

729
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: goes right over to Bomber and says, why is he

730
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: not in the game?

731
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: Wow?

732
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: And Bomber just looked at him like, wow, Yeah, why

733
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: is he not in the game. This is a big

734
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: time client.

735
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: I'm paying a mint.

736
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 2: For these tickets. Wow, you're telling me he can't play

737
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: back to back games?

738
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 3: All right?

739
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: Not good for the NBA, all right. Coming over the air, SID,

740
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: we're getting in to the NFL news. Why because Olden

741
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: admits the NFL owns the sports world. This is Fox

742
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: Sports Sunday.

743
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,920
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744
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745
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746
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747
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're rolling along here on a busy sports Sunday.

748
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749
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753
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Speaker 2: a half hour away from tip off between the Pacers

754
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: and the Knicks. The home team has won all three

755
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: games so far. To expect the Pacers to prevail and

756
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 2: even up this series or do the Knicks have a

757
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: little extra magic going on right now with Jalen Brunson.

758
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: I mean, they definitely have magic with Brunson and the

759
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: rest of his Villanova cohorts. But I think Indiana winstonn

760
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: also because i Ogianonoby being out was a killer.

761
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: They are really down. I mean, when you look at

762
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: how many minutes hard brunts and they're logging a lot of.

763
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 4: A lot of minutes, and that's gonna play a part too.

764
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: And again they're in shape and they feel good. But

765
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: you know, you gotta mix it up a little bit

766
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 4: because eventually I'm gonna get used to these guys as

767
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: a pacer. They're gonna say, okay, I know what Josh

768
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: is doing, so okay, let me box him out. And

769
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 4: know Jalen wants to go left a lot of times.

770
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, so you're gonna figure some things out.

771
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: If you add different components to it, then you know,

772
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 4: they got to figure that out as well. But right now,

773
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: Tipodau's playing six seven, eight guys maybe yeah, maybe eight?

774
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

775
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: You only had three guys off the bench in the

776
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: game three yeah. And I would imagine this because we

777
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: were talking about load management on the other side. So

778
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: if you're accustomed to playing let's say, thirty two to

779
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes a night, and then all of a sudden,

780
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: you're playing forty to forty two minutes a night, even

781
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: if you're an elite athlete, your body's going to feel

782
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: the difference.

783
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, you know, but you prepare for that stuff.

784
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 4: That's why I don't like load management, and that's why

785
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 4: people get hurt. It's because of load management. Your body's

786
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 4: not used to it, So, you know, we used to

787
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: play on asphalt.

788
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: Nobody today plays on as fall. Nobody.

789
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: These kids don't know anything but wooden floors, and so

790
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 4: to me, that does stuff to your body as well.

791
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: You know, we built the tolerance for pain. They're not

792
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 4: doing that any.

793
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: People don't play on asphalt anymore.

794
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm out there.

795
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: Wow, that's all we played on back in the day.

796
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the NFL. And you know,

797
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: we were getting ready for the start of the show.

798
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: We were watching some UFL action. I was joking that

799
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: every single one of these UFL games, if you take

800
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: a picture of the crowd shot, it's the same crowd,

801
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: same seats, every single game, just a little few people

802
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: scattered around the place. So the UFL has got a

803
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: long way to go for survival. That is not the

804
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: case with the National Football League. The NFL is like

805
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: this monstrosity that at some point you feel like it's

806
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: got it top off somewhere, and it just doesn't. It

807
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: just grows and grows and grows and grows. And a

808
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: big part of the growth of the NFL from the

809
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: very beginning is gambling. It's the most bet on sport.

810
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I remember the days olden. When I put it this way, now,

811
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: I really put myself back in time is when you

812
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: were in high school. So when the forty nine Ers

813
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: played the Bengals in Super Bowl sixteen at the Pontiac

814
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: Silver Dum, I remember that one January of nineteen eighty two,

815
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: I was in Vegas with buddies of mine. There was

816
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: only one place in Vegas that you can make a

817
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: sports bet. It was the star Dust. The Stardust Hotel

818
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: was the only place that you could actually wager a bet.

819
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: And you're gonna like this, So my buddies and I

820
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: did a three way parlay. We had the forty nine

821
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 2: Ers as one and a half point favorites to cover.

822
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: We took the under in the game, which I believe

823
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: was forty eight, and we tied it to a Ralph

824
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: Sampson University of Virginia basketball game cover the spread.

825
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: Well.

826
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: Virginia blew out whoever they played that day. So this

827
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: would have been Ralph's junior year at Virginia. And amazingly enough,

828
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: the line dropped on that Super Bowl where all the

829
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: late money came in on the Bengals. It was like

830
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: a pick'em game by tip off by kickoff, and we

831
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: won that. And the one we were barely covering was

832
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: the under. I think in the over under was forty

833
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: eight forty eight and a half and it was forty seven,

834
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: so we win the bet, right. But that's that's what

835
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: it was. You had one place in all of Vegas.

836
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: And then my first radio gig our sponsor was the

837
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 2: first sportsbook ever in Vegas, the Olympiad at Caesar's Palace,

838
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: So they were our sponsors for our show. So I

839
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: think about where gambling was then and these billion dollar

840
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: deals with these gambling establil BuShips that now the NFL

841
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: is in bed with yep, and somehow, some way, the

842
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: NFL is, you know, cracking down on players saying, well,

843
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: you can't you can't bet on any kind of sport

844
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 2: if you're on the premises of the of the team,

845
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: even though everybody's got their gambling device literally in their hand.

846
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure this whole thing out, the

847
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: relationship of gambling in which these sports leagues are having

848
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: money poured into their leagues billions of dollars from these

849
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: gambling establishments, and their effort to I don't know what

850
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: somehow justify the relationships with the gambling establishments that in

851
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: no way they have any effect on what we are

852
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: seeing in terms of the product on the field. Where

853
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: do you draw the line on that olden?

854
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: I don't even know. You can't really draw the line.

855
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 4: There's no line to draw. It is what it is,

856
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 4: you know, But I think it's full hypocrisy. It kind

857
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: of reminds me of when I used to live in

858
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 4: Salt Lake City, Utah. You know, Mormons don't drink, they

859
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 4: don't smoke, they don't do anything. They don't drink calf,

860
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 4: I mean, but they can sell it to you, they

861
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 4: can profit from it, and were just not gonna partake.

862
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 4: And so, you know, NFL is this monstrosity, as we've said.

863
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 4: You know, they used to own only Sundays. Then it

864
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 4: became Sunday and Monday. Then it became Sunday, Monday, Thursday.

865
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: Now it was Sunday, Monday, Thursday, Saturday. You know, they're

866
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: probably they're gonna get the rest of the three days eventually,

867
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: and so to me, you know, I just don't like

868
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: the hypocrisy of it. All you're in bed with. I'm

869
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: not gonna say the names of these companies, but you

870
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 4: in bed with all of them. And yet now all

871
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 4: of a sudden you're like, oh, gambling is bad. We

872
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 4: don't want you to gamble. What the hell is that about?

873
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 4: You just gotta let people be people. I don't think

874
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: players should bet on games per se, you know, whether

875
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 4: it's to win or to lose.

876
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: I get that.

877
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: But these young boys that just made that ten thousand

878
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 4: dollars bed, we all used to do that. I made

879
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 4: a living off of my teammates, you know, like doing

880
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 4: trick shots and all. There's always some kind of gambling

881
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: going on. I bet I rebound you this game, you know,

882
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 4: something like that.

883
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, this is where I want to go with this. Okay,

884
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you mentioned that. The idea the players

885
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: do not bet on themselves, their teams, their sport is ridiculous.

886
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: It's been going on forever because if you've got the

887
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: gambling itch, you want an edge, and what better way

888
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: of having an edge than participating in what you're betting on.

889
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: You know, Floyd Mayweather Junior legally bet on himself to

890
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: win every fight that he fought, and guess what he

891
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: won every time. If you go to England at Wimbledon

892
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: you could bet on yourself to win. Now, obviously I

893
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: would draw the line if you're betting against your team,

894
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: If there's even a hint of any kind of you know, fix,

895
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: where you're trying to fix a game to lose, you're gone, done, finished,

896
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: don't let the door hit you on the way out.

897
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: But I I've never quite this goes back to the

898
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: Pete Rose situation or John Dowd, who led the investigation.

899
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: I was a guest on my show many times. I said, John,

900
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: in all your years investigating Pete Rose, was there ever

901
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: a hint he bet against the Reds? Ever? He goes, no,

902
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 2: But there were games that he didn't bet on his team.

903
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: I go, oh, you mean, like when the other team

904
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: had their a starter going against his number five starter. Yeah,

905
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: he didn't want to throw his money away. I understand that.

906
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: So this is this is where I'm really having a

907
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: problem with this, because what the I think the NFL

908
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: is overcompensating now trying to say, Okay, yeah, we got

909
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: billions of dollars coming in from these gambling establishments, But

910
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: I understand this. We are against gambling when it comes

911
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: to our players on any sport, and that's just not realistic.

912
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: It's it's you know. And by the way, that that

913
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: bet between Neighbors and Daniels, they still have that, I

914
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: guarantee you.

915
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, they got a public he mind and say,

916
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 4: oh man, we canceled the bad because of the gambling situation.

917
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh please, so you but was it in your time

918
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: many years in professional basketball, was it uncommon for players

919
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: to just have a little friendly side wager based on them.

920
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: We had them. That was part of it.

921
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: We had side bets, side wagers, whatever you want to

922
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 4: call them. You know, that was a nice little handshake

923
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 4: back back. You know, one hundred dollars here, a thousand

924
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 4: and here, ten thousand here. We had one of the

925
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: biggest fights in all of basketball between teammates when I

926
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 4: was with Seattle over gambling because somebody didn't pay on time.

927
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 4: You know, Oakalley slapping people over gambling debts. So stop it,

928
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying. You're trying to make these damn

929
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: narratives that aren't true. Nothing is new under the sun, nothing.

930
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 4: So if you have it today, you had it in

931
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: the eighties, you had it in the fifties. Tim Donnahy

932
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 4: was not the only referee. He's the only when that

933
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 4: got caught. I remember Tom Chambers making the statement to

934
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: one arrest, you must have money in this game. That

935
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 4: man never got a call again. Because these referees talk

936
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 4: to each other. He made a statement about us. Now

937
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: we're gonna show him.

938
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 3: You know.

939
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 4: It's kind of like Chris Paul with Scott Foster. It's

940
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 4: like they'd make this stuff personal. And it goes back

941
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: again to the earlier conversation we're having how referees. You know,

942
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 4: it's a file here, it's not a file there. They

943
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: controlled too much of the game, and that's the part

944
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: no one's talking about.

945
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: Did you ever confront an official no about calls against you.

946
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: I never complained about a call because I knew it

947
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 4: wasn't gonna make a difference, so I just let it go.

948
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 4: It's like I raised my hands and that was it.

949
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: See, this is my knock on Chris Paul. Obviously a great, great, great,

950
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 2: great player. He just talks to the officials, wait.

951
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: Too much, way too much, you know, because I learned.

952
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 4: One of the things I learned, referees are people too,

953
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 4: So what I did I got to know them right.

954
00:51:59,560 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: You know.

955
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this story because he's retired. Now whatever

956
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 4: my rookie year, Dick Mavetta made a mistake. I knew

957
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: he was a bad call, so I didn't yell and

958
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 4: scream and cuss him out. I said, hey, Dick, can

959
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 4: you take a look, you know, like, because I think

960
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: that was a bad call, you know, but I respect

961
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 4: the call.

962
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 3: I respect the whistle.

963
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: So you know what, because the referees they have videos,

964
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: you know, and they looked at plays. He's like, you

965
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 4: were right, I missed it. All right, next play offensively,

966
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 4: I'll get it back to you. The man just he

967
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 4: blew the whistle. I didn't get fouled. He just gave

968
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 4: me the call back.

969
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: That is the thing about the NBA from the very

970
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: beginning is stars get calls. Well. I don't know how

971
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: many times I saw the great Magic Johnson was like

972
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: the party in the Red seas going in for a

973
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: layup and they're just going to blow the whistle on

974
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 2: somebody free point play.

975
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, they don't like be disrespected, they don't lie

976
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 4: being shown up right, That's the thing.

977
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: Everybody's got an ego.

978
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to say I want to get

979
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 2: more into some of the NFL. It's been a long

980
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: time since Olden and I caught up on a few things.

981
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: Get your thoughts about the draft. Which quarterbacks are actually

982
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 2: going to make a difference. Which teams are you most

983
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 2: interested in seeing what they've got in twenty twenty four.

984
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Olden Polonies

985
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: Here Fox Sports Sunday. We're live from the Tyraq dot

986
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Com studios. All right, we interrupt this NFL conversation for

987
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: the now underway NBA Draft lottery, and we are halfway through.

988
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: We got seven picks to go. Any teams out of

989
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: order yet, Olden.

990
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, it's weird right now. It looks

991
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 4: like somebody who's out of San Antongi's got the eighth pick.

992
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 2: That yeah, Portland is now at number seven.

993
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: Atlanta's already in the top four.

994
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: Garante soup Portland and now has the seventh pick and

995
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: the fourteenth pick.

996
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 3: Antonio's got eighth and yeah.

997
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So it's a little different than it

998
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: was last year when all eyes were on the wattery

999
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: with Wemby out there. Hornets end up now with the

1000
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: number six overall pick. Is that gonna matter for a franchise?

1001
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 2: That doesn't matter. Got the piston said number five?

1002
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 4: Uh oh, so that means the Washington Wizards in the

1003
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 4: top four.

1004
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 2: That's that's uh so you got the guy out of Australia, right,

1005
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: the big man is he projected to be that number

1006
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: one over Alex Saw.

1007
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the primitive guy.

1008
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: So who knows these teams they're gonna it's gonna happen

1009
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 4: the combineses this weekend. So anything can happen. Once you

1010
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 4: get into Combine, they start doing the you know, all

1011
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 4: the interviews and everything else, the measurements. We're gonna find

1012
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 4: out the guy is not really six eleven, he's actually

1013
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 4: six ' nine.

1014
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask you this. So they're gonna break

1015
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: right now and we're gonna find out the top four

1016
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: picks in the draft. Zach Edie, all right, so I'm

1017
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: watching this guy destroy everybody in the NCAA tournament, two

1018
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: time player of the Year, first guy to win the

1019
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 2: Woodward back to back year since Ralph Samson at your school, Virginia.

1020
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: And I'm watching this guy and I'm thinking to myself,

1021
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: all right, I understand in this day and age where

1022
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: you expect your centers to stand at the three point

1023
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: line and knock down three point shots that he doesn't

1024
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 2: fit that mold. But I'm also thinking to myself, Okay,

1025
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: you can't teach size never and this guy, if you

1026
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: watch his development at Purdue, got better every year. He

1027
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 2: worked to become a better basketball player. So the work

1028
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: ethic is there. You know, Jokich was a second round

1029
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: pick for obvious reasons. He wasn't very athletic. No one really,

1030
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, sort of did the extra work to unless

1031
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: Denver did and taking him in the second round to say, well,

1032
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: what's this guy's basketball IQ? Is he not how to

1033
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: play the game? Can he play the game? Does he

1034
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: have the inner fire to work on his game get

1035
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,479
Speaker 2: better in this game? Can he develop his game? Because

1036
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 2: that's always what you have to when you draft a player.

1037
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 2: You have to figure out what is this guy ceiling?

1038
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: Has he already peaked? Is this as good as it

1039
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: going to get? Does he have the work ethic understanding

1040
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 2: when you're a professional, it's a job and needs to

1041
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: be treated as work to get better at your craft.

1042
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 2: These are all the X factors that go into any

1043
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: kind of sport in evaluating talent. But when you look

1044
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: at Zach Edie, would you roll the dice on this guy,

1045
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: and if so, how would you use him in the NBA?

1046
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 3: It depends on where I pick.

1047
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: Let's let's say you took him in the second round.

1048
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 2: I mean right now he's projected maybe low first round,

1049
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: most likely second round pick.

1050
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a top fifteen pick. Oh,

1051
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 4: you really do, because they gonna one of the things.

1052
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: To your point, they realize he does have a work ethic.

1053
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 4: He could have come out last year and he didn't,

1054
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 4: and his game improved and he got a little quicker.

1055
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: And again we're so wrapped up. Remember I said this,

1056
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 4: it's the League of followers. Yes, the reason I love

1057
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: Nicola Jokic so much is that he's bringing the big

1058
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 4: man positions somewhat back by getting in the low posts.

1059
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 4: That's when Denver's the most deadliest, when he's passing out

1060
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 4: of the post. So now with Edie, you got a guy,

1061
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Steve size matters.

1062
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's another thing I see about when you have

1063
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: bigs that are not accustomed to being in the low post,

1064
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of basket awareness. How many

1065
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: blown layups do you see in the NBA? You know

1066
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: it doesn't blow a lot of layups. Is Jokic, he

1067
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: seems to under He does miss up, but he seems

1068
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: to have basket awareness down low where he can make

1069
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: a quick turn, little hook shot whatever, and seemingly know

1070
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: where he is on the court and can make that

1071
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: two footer. That's what I see with Zach Edy. He

1072
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: knows where the basket is and so if you get

1073
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: him in the low post, he's such a mismatch against

1074
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: other players. You don't have to cover a lot of

1075
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: ground if you're down low. With that kind of size,

1076
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: he's got low repertoire. He knows how to put the

1077
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: ball in the basket down low.

1078
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: Right now, Zach Edy is better than two guys, and

1079
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna mention them biz My Biambo on o case

1080
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 4: he's bench and Tristan Thompson on Cleveland's bench. He's one

1081
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: hundred times better than them right now, way more serviceable.

1082
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,479
Speaker 4: Can score, download, can dunk the ball. He's gonna dunk

1083
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: it on you. He has a toughness about him. He

1084
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 4: can shoot from outside. He just doesn't rely on a

1085
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 4: three point shot, you know. And the thing is, you

1086
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 4: know everybody saying, well, he's slow, a foot Well, Yoka

1087
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 4: change the fastest person in basketball, but yet no one

1088
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 4: can defend him, no one can go by him. So

1089
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,959
Speaker 4: how is that? Because he knows how to play the game.

1090
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 4: He's smart and that's the thing. Stop trying to knock

1091
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 4: this kid down because of his size. Size matters. And

1092
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 4: if I'm a GM, I'm deaf, I'm gonna bring him

1093
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 4: on if nothing else then to defend jokids.

1094
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: All right, we're going into the top four picks right now.

1095
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: I believe the Rock has just got the third pick,

1096
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: Spurs got the fourth pick, and that means that the

1097
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: number one pick is going to be with.

1098
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 3: Wow, the Atlanta Hawks.

1099
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: The Atlanta Hawks.

1100
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: Wow, that's huge.

1101
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: But do we have a player that is an absolute

1102
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: lock to be an impact guy with the number one

1103
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: overall pick?

1104
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: That is huge? That he's Trey Young is gonna be traded.

1105
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 4: He's gonna be traded. They're not gonna have him with

1106
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 4: the number one player.

1107
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 3: They're not.

1108
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you about Trey Young. If you're

1109
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: the Lakers, are you interested in Trey Young?

1110
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: No? No, that's not what the Lakers need.

1111
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, are you set with D'Angelo Russell at

1112
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 2: the point I don't. I don't mean he's got he's

1113
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: got a player option.

1114
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 4: But I don't mind D'Angelo d'anglo has his moments. He's

1115
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 4: an All Star former, all stuff. The Lakers problem is

1116
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 4: wing shooting and length. That's the problem. They have pretty

1117
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 4: much everything else. You know, they need a backup for

1118
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 4: Anthony Davis because he's definitely not a Ciner, so they

1119
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 4: need a big shoot throw Zach Eaton there.

1120
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 3: Well.

1121
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: I mean when you think back to when they won

1122
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: their championship in twenty twenty, you had m JaVale McGee,

1123
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: you had Howard who still motivated that point, and Anthony

1124
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 2: Davis wasn't forced to play the center position.

1125
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 4: Yes, and that's the key. Let him play his natural position.

1126
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 4: I don't care. Just let him play his natural position

1127
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 4: and get some wing defenders Allah Jade McDaniels and them

1128
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 4: Kats you know, nik Kill Walker, nikkill Alexander Walker. You know,

1129
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 4: you need that kind of length and they you know,

1130
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: And okay, granted Jerry Vanderbilt, No, he was hurt the

1131
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 4: whole year.

1132
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: That that doesn't help because let's face it, Lebron cannot

1133
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: play defense much. No, he comes up with the occasional

1134
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: block shot or something like that. He has his moments,

1135
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: but at this point you got to have somebody's. It's

1136
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: just like, you know, Michael, Michael Cooper, one of my

1137
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: all time favorite leaguers, got elected the Hall of Fame.

1138
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: I was happy. I mean, he never made an All

1139
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: NBA team. You know, he was all defense, he was

1140
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 2: never an All Star. But because Magic Johnson was not

1141
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: much of a defender, you needed that guy. Oh yes,

1142
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 2: Michael Cooper. That's what the Lakers are missing this year

1143
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: because defensively they were awful. All right, So the NBA

1144
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: Draft lottery is now set. Let's find out what is trending.

1145
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: With more on that and so much else here, we

1146
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,959
Speaker 2: are about to tip off an NBA playoff game.

1147
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 6: We are, yes, all right?

1148
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 7: So officially the first five picks of the draft lottery,

1149
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 7: in case you missed it for the NBA, which it

1150
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 7: starts on June twenty six, that's the first round of

1151
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 7: the NBA Draft.

1152
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 6: Number one goes to the Hawks. The Wizards get.

1153
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 7: The second overall pick, Rockets number three. The Spurs actually

1154
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 7: have two in the top ten, they're the fourth and

1155
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 7: eighth pick, and then the Pistons get the fifth pick.

1156
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 7: So the Draft officially starts Round one June twenty six,

1157
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 7: and now we're gonna get a pair of game fours

1158
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 7: in the NBA. Pacers are going to try to even

1159
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 7: the series against the Knicks. Following that matchup, it's the

1160
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 7: Timberwolves and the Nuggets. That game is at eight pm

1161
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 7: Eastern Time on the ice. The Bruins will be without

1162
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 7: their captain Brad Marshan for Game four against the Panthers.

1163
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 7: Florida leads that series two to one, and it's going

1164
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 7: to start at six thirty pm Eastern time, followed by

1165
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 7: a Game three between the Canucks and the Oilers. That

1166
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 7: series is tied at one a piece. Let's move on

1167
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 7: to Major League Baseball, where the Diamondbacks have exploded trying

1168
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 7: to avoid the sweep by Baltimore. They're on top nine

1169
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 7: to two against the Ools. It's the bottom of the

1170
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 7: sixth inning. The Cubs and the Pirates are tied at

1171
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 7: two a piece. Top of the seventh. The Red Sox

1172
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 7: are beating the Nationals three to two. Top of the

1173
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 7: seventh as well. The Twins on the scoreboard. Carlos Santana

1174
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 7: with the three run homer, and they're beating the Blue

1175
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 7: Jays three to one. Top of the eighth inning, the

1176
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 7: Astros blanking the Tigers four zero. Bottom of the seventh.

1177
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 7: The Raiser are on the scoreboard, but the Yankees are

1178
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 7: still on top. It is six to four bottom of

1179
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 7: the seventh eraand Judge with a two run homer, the

1180
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 7: latest to give some the Yankees some runs. The Phillies

1181
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 7: and the Marlins tied at six. Bottom of the sixth inning.

1182
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 7: The Guardians trying to avoid the sweep by the White Sox.

1183
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 7: They're blanking Chicago six zero. Top of the six. The

1184
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 7: Brewers are trying to sweep the Cardinals. The Cardinals have

1185
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 7: lost seven in a row. They're trying to not make

1186
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 7: it eight. But the Brewers are on top three to two.

1187
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 7: It's the top of the fifth inning at the Wells

1188
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 7: Fargo Championships.

1189
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 6: Andrew Shoftley extending his lead. He is thirteen under par overall.

1190
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,439
Speaker 7: Rory McElroy two shots back back to you guys.

1191
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, so check in with you and questions,

1192
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 2: can you say Hawks again?

1193
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 6: Hawks?

1194
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 3: That's not what you said.

1195
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 6: What did I say? You know, it comes out, it

1196
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 6: just comes out. I don't plan it, but you're right,

1197
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 6: you're probably right and I'll probably coming back out like

1198
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 6: that at some point.

1199
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: Hacks.

1200
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: By the way, she is a die hard Clippers fan, really,

1201
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: I am.

1202
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 7: My dad has a picture of you with one of

1203
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 7: the teams, like I remember the year.

1204
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 6: But he has it in the garage.

1205
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, cool, Yeah, your father likes pain and you

1206
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:47,919
Speaker 4: like pain.

1207
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: We do.

1208
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: You had two runs with the clips, right runs. Yeah,

1209
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 2: I know you finished your career there, but you had

1210
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: the can can I just now now, I'm all caught

1211
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: up with this NBA stuff going on right now, with

1212
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: the with the draft lottery. The Clippers are another team

1213
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: that's got to make some serious decisions here right now.

1214
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: So you got Kawhi under contract, and Kawhi is your

1215
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: one proven guy that can get it done with the

1216
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: games matter most. The problem is he hasn't been there

1217
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: for the games the matter most because he's always hurt. Yep,

1218
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: Paul George fifty one dollar player option. And by the way,

1219
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: we were talking yesterday Montsey and I about isn't it

1220
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: curious that we're ten days after the or eleven days

1221
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: now since the Clippers got eliminated. They keep talking about

1222
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: extending Tylo's contract and no extension has been done. If

1223
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 2: you're ty Lou, are you comfortable with the idea of

1224
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going to re sign or extend

1225
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: the deal with Paul George, We're we're now into the

1226
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: sixty million dollar a year range. That's where we that's

1227
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: where the salaries are going. And then you have to

1228
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: make a decision about James Harden.

1229
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1230
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 2: So if your tail and they're trying to sell you

1231
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: on the idea that we're gonna keep this trio together,

1232
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: we're basically gonna keep this team together. If you're ty Lou,

1233
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 2: are you saying to yourself, this team as is is

1234
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: good enough to win a championship or would I have

1235
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: a better opportunity to win a championship if I get

1236
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: traded or literally quit my job and take the Lakers shop.

1237
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 4: He has a better opportunity somewhere else. Clip is a

1238
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 4: snake bit. They're not gonna win.

1239
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 3: They can't.

1240
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 4: Kawhi, this is groundhog Day. That's groundhog Day. Kawhi Leonard

1241
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 4: is groundhog Day. It's gonna repeat this cycle every single year.

1242
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 4: And it's unfortunate. I mean, because he's a hell of

1243
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 4: a player. But this is where we are right now.

1244
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 4: We're in that loop and he's gonna have to figure

1245
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 4: it out because Paul George at fifty one million. Wow,

1246
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 4: and they got to figure that out too. Yeah, I'm

1247
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 4: hard they gotta figure out. You know, we don't know

1248
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 4: how much more Russell Westbrook got left in him. And

1249
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 4: I don't think everybody was sold on the whole system,

1250
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 4: you know. And I think a lot of it had

1251
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 4: to do with Kawhi and the injuries. I think people

1252
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: really they've grown frustrated.

1253
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately you watched Paul George and Harden disappear at

1254
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: the end of that series.

1255
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely, especially after that game in Dallas. Yes, man,

1256
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 4: and I and I told somebody, I say, hey, I

1257
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 4: think I was on air. I said, hey, it don't

1258
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 4: matter what they did in that game, they will be

1259
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 4: back to normal.

1260
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 2: So a lot of decision making having to be done

1261
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 2: right now. All right, Well, we just got on. I

1262
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: just mentioned the Lakers. I'm sure they would love to

1263
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: have tied lou Why wouldn't you. He's one of the

1264
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: premier coaches in this league and obviously won a championship

1265
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: with Lebron. But it just seems to me like Lebron

1266
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,919
Speaker 2: has got his heart set on JJ Reddick and I'm

1267
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: just trying to figure this out now. It's when we

1268
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: talk about no coaching experience, that does not mean you

1269
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: can't have success. You know, Jason Kidd jumped right into

1270
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 2: the fire, Larry Burd jumped right into the fire fish

1271
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: a lot well, and then you obviously had the Steve

1272
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: Nash situation in Brooklyn that didn't work out so well.

1273
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: So I mean, you can't just have a blanket statement, well,

1274
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 2: he's never been a coach before, he can't be successful.

1275
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 2: He can be successful if he is the right voice

1276
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: in that locker room. If his voice resonates with that team,

1277
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: then he's the right guy.

1278
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 3: You know.

1279
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: The Darvin Ham hiring was based on his many years

1280
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: as an assistant in Milwaukee, where he was known as

1281
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 2: the locker room guy. That was the Darvin Ham rep

1282
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: is that he was that very valuable guy in your

1283
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: assistant coaching staff that things get a little sideways in

1284
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 2: the locker room. He has the right temperament, the right

1285
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: things to say, the smooth things over. He knew that

1286
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: they thought, Okay, maybe that's the personality we need to

1287
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: be a head coach. Unfortunately, he mismanaged way too many games.

1288
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 2: He mismanaged lineups, he mismanaged late game situations. He stood

1289
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: there with his hands in his pocket. It just it

1290
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 2: didn't work. Yeah, so I didn't blame them for moving

1291
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: on from that. But let's say JJ Reddick, right, fifteen

1292
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: years in the NBA, one of the great shooters in

1293
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: the league. I hate duke guys, but okay, I'll over

1294
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 2: see that. But knowing Lebron, knowing AD, knowing that team,

1295
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: because the personnel are set, even d Loo's got a

1296
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: player option this year, Reeves is under contract, Hatchamura is

1297
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: under contract. Do you think a guy like JJ Reddick

1298
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 2: it would be the missing piece to get the Lakers

1299
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Speaker 2: over the top.

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Speaker 4: No, excuse me, no at all. And his why And

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 4: I gotta go back a little bit. Darvin Ham. Yes

1302
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 4: he was a locker room guy, but that's when he

1303
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 4: was playing. That was as a player. And if you

1304
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 4: are a locker room guy as an assistant coach, it's

1305
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 4: a totally different mentality. As a head coach, you can

1306
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 4: be not. Assistant coaches are supposed to get along with

1307
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 4: the players. The head coach doesn't talk to the play

1308
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 4: as much. So that's how it works. But now to

1309
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 4: but I still don't think he should have been fired

1310
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 4: like that, but it is what it is. You know,

1311
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 4: you get hired to be fired. But JJ Reddick, here's

1312
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 4: why I don't like it, because they might as well

1313
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 4: just make Lebron the head coach. Just make him the

1314
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 4: head coach and that's it. You know, if you want

1315
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 4: to put jjved to sit there and you know, play

1316
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 4: the part, fine, but Lebron will be the head coach

1317
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 4: because he's gonna be asking for the clipboard anyway. So

1318
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 4: I just don't like it. And why main reason I

1319
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 4: don't like it is because it is JJ Reddick has

1320
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 4: called older players so many different names, and now as

1321
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 4: a coach, you will have to referenced them in actual

1322
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 4: reverence to make a point. The same guys you were knocking,

1323
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 4: you will have to refer to them at some point

1324
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 4: in time doing one of your coach speaks and say

1325
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 4: how good they were or else your team ain't gonna

1326
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 4: buy it.

1327
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Speaker 2: I mean that's again. And when I hear well, even

1328
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: though if he doesn't have any he has no coaching

1329
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: experience at any level, you bring in a lot of

1330
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: veteran assistance, Well, what's the point of him being there?

1331
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 4: Exactly? What's the point. They've done that with other people

1332
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 4: in the past, and it's because Lebron podcast Yeah, that's

1333
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 4: the thing. Everybody's about making splash. That's why he's got

1334
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 4: to make these ridiculous statements.

1335
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 2: All right, let me take this a step further. So,

1336
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 2: my younger son lives and Breeze. The NBA lives in

1337
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: Breeze Lakers basketball. When the Lakers got a lemonade, he said,

1338
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: it's time to blow this thing up. And he wasn't

1339
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 2: talking about just firing Darwin. He said, right now, I

1340
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:06,799
Speaker 2: would trade it Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis right now's trade

1341
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: value is at its peak. How many draft picks did

1342
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 2: the Clippers give away to get Paul George plus Shay

1343
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 2: Gills just Alexander, I mean him plus like five number ones.

1344
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: He's like, you get five number ones for go, Yeah,

1345
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: but you're not going to get a player as good

1346
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: as Anthony Davis. He goes, I blow this whole thing up,

1347
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: Bye bye, Lebron. I'm starting all over again, because this

1348
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 2: is now. When you think about this, Lebron has been

1349
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: with the Lakers now for six years, six years, and

1350
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: they've only gotten past the first round of the playoffs

1351
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: twice in six years, and that's not what the Lakers

1352
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 2: are looking to do. If I would imagine, and I've

1353
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: known Genie but for a long time, I'm sure her

1354
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: and mentality is exactly the same as their father. It's

1355
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: about championships with the Lakers. As Kobe said to me

1356
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: many times, there are two grades on the season, A

1357
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 2: and F. What what if you get to the NBA

1358
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: Finals and we don't win F? That's it?

1359
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 4: Are the Lakers? You are expected to win championships.

1360
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 2: Do you believe that this team as it's made up

1361
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 2: right now is good enough to win the NBA champions Oh?

1362
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 4: Not at all, not even close. They can't get out

1363
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 4: the first round, not even close. Last year was a

1364
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 4: great run. But it's like, come on, man, So the

1365
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 4: Lakers are celebrating getting to Western Conference finals. Now the

1366
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 4: Lakers are celebrating in season tournament championships.

1367
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 3: Wow?

1368
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh that was that was ridiculous. Why the way I

1369
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 2: heard Dan earlier on the show today? Did you hear

1370
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,520
Speaker 2: him try to tie in Indiana's run in the postseason

1371
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 2: to their run to the championship game of the n

1372
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 2: season tournament.

1373
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 3: Wow?

1374
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: Kerry was dismissing that I was like, then Den backed

1375
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: off saying that that that actually was not a good question.

1376
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 2: I was like, who remembers that n season tournament. The Lakers,

1377
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 2: by the way, did not want to put up a banner, Like,

1378
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 2: there was no way they were going to put a

1379
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: banner up until the NBA said, oh, yeah, you are.

1380
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: You're going to put a banner up there in season

1381
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: tournament in November.

1382
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

1383
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't even a tournament. What was that? Those

1384
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: were all regular season games. Unfortunately, the game that we

1385
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: could have used as a w did not count. The

1386
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: championship game was a sit alone exhibition game.

1387
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:53,520
Speaker 4: The NBA wanted to show the new flaws the colorway.

1388
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: Some of them. What was it? The Bulls? You could

1389
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 2: not watch them on TV? Olden.

1390
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 4: You know who has the best Frosty in my personal opinion,

1391
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 4: the Brooklyn Nets. Yeah, oh my god. It looks like,

1392
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 4: how what's the movie Pleasantville? If it mus be a Pleasantville?

1393
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: All right? Coming up on the other side, I do

1394
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 2: want to get a quick thought out in the NFL

1395
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 2: with you. We got a lot more NBA news and

1396
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 2: yes we are underway Pacers and Nicks. This is Fox

1397
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: Sports Sunday. Steve Harman and Olden Polonies. Right here on

1398
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday, we are live from the tire rack

1399
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: dot Com studios. Pacers come out on fire at the

1400
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: start of the show. Of course, Pacers trying to even

1401
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: up the series. Home team has won each of the

1402
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 2: three previous games, Nicks and Pacers, and later on it's

1403
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: gonna be the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Denver Nuggets. That

1404
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: series is the exact opposite. The road team has won

1405
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: all three games so far. Well that hold up? Later

1406
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 2: can Denver even up that series? During the break, We're

1407
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 2: just talking about really the whole chain dynamic of collegiate

1408
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: sports in terms of recruitment, in terms of compensation with

1409
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: the transfer portal on top of nil And you know, Drodmeyo,

1410
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 2: the new coach of the New England Patriots, made a

1411
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: comment about Drake May that sort of caught people by surprise.

1412
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 2: I mean, right now they're just got you know, like

1413
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 2: the rookie camps and stuff like that going on, and

1414
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, this guy's got a long way to go.

1415
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 2: And my sense of that comment wasn't necessarily in terms

1416
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: of throwing the football or anything like that. I mean,

1417
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: there's a reason they took him third. Overall, it's more

1418
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: about attitude and maybe the idea that Drake may, like

1419
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: all the other collegiate stars of this day and age,

1420
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: has already put millions of dollars in his bank through NIL.

1421
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 2: I mean, they're already millionaires before they even reached the

1422
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 2: league if you're an elite collegiate player. I mean, reports

1423
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: had it that Caleb Williams made well over ten million

1424
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: dollars in two years at USC over ten million dollars.

1425
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 2: And by the way, your rememory he at the combine,

1426
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 2: he basically told everybody, no, I'll decide you want a physical,

1427
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 2: I'll decide which teams give me a physical. He brought

1428
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 2: a lot of attitude because he's already got money in

1429
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: the bank. So how do you think this affects, especially

1430
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 2: when we're talking about the NFL or the NBA, because

1431
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 2: those are the players that are earning some serious bank

1432
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 2: through NIL and the collegiate ranks, how does that affect

1433
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: what's happening at the colleges and how does that affect

1434
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: maybe their performance level, performance expectations, development crossing over. It

1435
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 2: used to be from the amateur ranks to the professional ranks,

1436
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 2: now it's from the professional ranks to the professional ranks.

1437
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 4: Well, I believe it's going to affect high school more

1438
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 4: than college and the pros because now everything's dropped down

1439
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 4: one and maybe even to the junior high level. Because

1440
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 4: it used to be I'm working hard, working hard, working

1441
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 4: hard to get to the pros. Now I'm working hard,

1442
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 4: work hard to get to college because I'm getting paid

1443
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 4: in college pretty soon. You know, it's like what's next.

1444
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,879
Speaker 4: So to me, these guys now they all free agents

1445
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 4: every single year because it's like, if I'm not happy

1446
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 4: right now with this guy. It puts a lot of

1447
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 4: pressure on coaches. If a guy is not content with

1448
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 4: his playing time, not happy with how much with the

1449
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 4: bag he got, he's leaving, you know. And I kind

1450
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,720
Speaker 4: of like, I'm not saying I agree with it for

1451
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 4: the players, but I get it because coaches were doing

1452
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 4: this forever. You know, they'd be on the team and

1453
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 4: then they'd leave and so and there was no sitting

1454
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 4: down and all that. Players used to have to sit up.

1455
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,640
Speaker 4: Now guys can get up and leave or get a

1456
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 4: bag and make a ton of money. I mean, I

1457
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 4: watched Bronnie James and basketball at the highest nil. Caleb

1458
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 4: Williams high nil. These guys they doing it so they

1459
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 4: taking advantage of the system the way it is. So

1460
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 4: I can't be mad at him for that, but I

1461
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 4: think it's destroying the game.

1462
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: It's interesting now, if you had had a transfer portal,

1463
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 2: imagine after your freshman year of Virginia, ooh final So there,

1464
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: I mean your final four. You're there with a Keem,

1465
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 2: You're there with Patrick Ewing right, oh yeah, you're battling

1466
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: a chem in the final.

1467
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 3: I'm getting a bag a hi.

1468
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1469
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: You know, all of a sudden, there's that that there

1470
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 2: transfer portal situation. People are dangling money, saying, Olden, come

1471
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 2: on out here. We got even a better situation. You

1472
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 2: would have been at least open to it, right.

1473
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 3: I would have thought about it, but I love I

1474
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 3: love Virginia so much. I know.

1475
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 4: Holland, so yeah, I probably wouldn't have gone anything. And

1476
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 4: you know what's so funny because it kind of reminds

1477
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 4: me of what just happened with my son last year.

1478
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 4: He had a chance to transfer, you know, out of

1479
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 4: Long Beach State, and he may a great statement, he said, Dad,

1480
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 4: I'm not a quitter, you know. Yeah, because that's how

1481
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 4: it looks you know you're quitting because things got hard.

1482
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 4: He says, I might encounter the same situation at the

1483
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,759
Speaker 4: next school. I know the situation here. I'm gonna stay

1484
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 4: and just work my butt off.

1485
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 2: Well, how much does that play into the idea of

1486
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: being a team guy? In other words, if you just

1487
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: seemingly are looking out for yourself in a team sport,

1488
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: I would imagine that's sort of a badget's carried with

1489
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 2: you wherever you.

1490
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 4: Are, and it stays with you forever. Steve stays with

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Speaker 4: you forever. Teams don't forget that.

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Speaker 2: All right, So right now it is all Pacers over

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01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: the next much more on these NBA playoffs. We'll also

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Speaker 2: check him with John Paul Morosi, our MLB insider. This

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Speaker 2: That's the one. By the way. The Pacers, the game's over.

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01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 3: It's a massacre right now.

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01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: Thirty four to eleven. Yeah, you heard me, right, Pacers

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01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 2: thirty four Nicks eleven men and a half to go

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01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: in the first quarter. Game over.

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01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a'll have a comeback.

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01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: Not gonna happen. I mean, they are rocking in Indiana

1514
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: right now. Pacers looking to even up this series. And

1515
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: again the home teams won every game of this series.

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01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 2: But the Pacers on fire right now, and the Knicks

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01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 2: can't hit anything and.

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01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 3: They blew too games in New York.

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01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pacers are the better team. Nicks have the home advantage. Look,

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01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: I mean again, the problem with the Knicks, the injuries

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01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: are catching up. They don't have a bench right now. Yeah,

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01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,879
Speaker 2: their benches. Brunson has started this game oh for five shooting,

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01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 2: oh for five, so zero points and that's that's that's

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01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: the death now, I mean Brunson is I mean did

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01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 2: you ever think Brunson was going to be this level

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01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: of player?

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01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: Not this level?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I really enjoy watching them play with Dallas,

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01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 4: you know, especially when Luca was out. I was like,

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01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 4: oh wow, he's made a name for himself. He's a

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01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 4: serviceable guy in the NBA. But I did not see

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01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 4: top five MVP voting. Yeah no, I did not see that.

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01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 3: Uh, you know that's work ethic right there.

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01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 2: Pacers are shooting seventy percent in this game, Nix twenty

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01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: five percent.

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01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,480
Speaker 4: That's the recipe for the best.

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01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 3: Have those numbers, never lie.

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01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go back to the Garden. Most likely,

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01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: it doesn't even matter in the East, honestly. I mean,

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01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 2: I know the Celtics have had these hiccups, right the

1542
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: Game two hiccup against the Heat obviously, the same thing

1543
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 2: against the Cavaliers where they just didn't show up. They've

1544
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 2: actually they haven't they haven't lost a road game, I mean,

1545
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 2: and then they came back again Game three in Cleveland

1546
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 2: as expected, and one rather convincingly. But I mean, can

1547
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 2: you see, let's take either one of these teams, let's

1548
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 2: as seem, let's assume it's the Pacers, and I hate Look,

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01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: the Knicks have had a great season, but you're down Rondall.

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01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: It's catching up for this team, too many injuries. Can

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01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,959
Speaker 2: the Pacers offer any resistance at all to the Celtics

1552
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 2: if they match up in the Eastern Conference Finals?

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01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 4: I believe so because they have the All Stars to

1554
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 4: match them, you know, Halliburt and Siakam. They have Miles

1555
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 4: Turner who should have been an All Star one year

1556
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 4: at least. I like their bench. So it's I think

1557
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 4: the matchup a lot. But again, key factors coaching. Karla

1558
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 4: heads above Missoula, and that's gonna play a part. Also,

1559
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 4: you know, game management, and so to me, yeah, Indiana

1560
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 4: does have a chance.

1561
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,839
Speaker 2: Why is Rick Carlisle, your former college teammate of Virginia

1562
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: such a good.

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01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 4: Coach because he lets the guys be themselves. You know,

1564
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 4: he's not heavy handed when it comes to coaching. Some

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01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 4: coaches are heavy handed. And again, he's relatable because he

1566
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 4: played the game. You know, he played with Bird, he

1567
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 4: played with Boss and won a championship. He's relatable. He

1568
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 4: knows you know, you're not gonna get too much over

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01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 4: on him, you know, And so that's the thing, it's

1570
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 4: and it's important some players that are former former players.

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01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 4: Some coaches rather that are former players. They understand it.

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01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 4: Not saying that you know you're gonna be a great

1573
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 4: coach because you are a player. That No, but it helps.

1574
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 2: Do you believe that it doesn't matter who comes out

1575
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 2: of the West, the West will ultimately be the champion.

1576
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 2: I believe. So the West is where it's at. And

1577
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: what's one of these four teams you're not gonna Yesterday,

1578
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 2: Montci made a bold prediction at the end of our show.

1579
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 2: She asked me to make my prediction. Unfortunately just ran

1580
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: out of time. I was so close to giving my

1581
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 2: pickout when all of a sudden those final seconds ticked

1582
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 2: off on the show. But the team that's coming out

1583
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 2: of the West and ultimately gonna win the NBA Championship

1584
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks.

1585
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I can see that.

1586
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 4: But I think the NBA Finals is whoever comes out

1587
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Denver game. Oh really yeah, I think that

1588
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 4: whoever that's the winner, they're gonna get to the finals

1589
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 4: and they're gonna win. So to me, that's the Western

1590
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 4: Conference Finals right there. Because Dallas, for everything that they've

1591
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 4: done against Okay, see so far up to one, I

1592
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 4: get it. But them boys in Minnesota, they who they long,

1593
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 4: and Dallas ain't gonna be able to handle all that stuff.

1594
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 4: In Denver, they won't be able to handle Yokics. So

1595
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 4: this is the Western Conference Finals is being played between

1596
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 4: Minnesota and the Denver Nuggets.

1597
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Okay, and you are still picking, as you said earlier,

1598
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 2: picking Denver to come back to win.

1599
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 4: The cir Dever to come back to win the series.

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01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 4: They're gonna end up playing the Dallas Mavericks and they

1601
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 4: beat Dallas and then they beat Boston.

1602
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Dallas, dantic I used to think

1603
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,759
Speaker 2: there would never be a player who handled the ball

1604
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 2: in a more dominant fashion in terms of just hands

1605
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: on the ball than James Harden did with the Rockets.

1606
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: I thought, we will never see that happen again. Somebody

1607
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 2: had actually done a study on who led the league

1608
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: in dribbles, and it turned out Hard and that almost

1609
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: twice as many as any other player at the height

1610
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 2: of his run with the Rockets. I say that in

1611
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 2: Doncic is like next level, I mean his, and yet

1612
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving I've always I don't know what it is

1613
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 2: about Irving's game. Maybe I see more in him than others.

1614
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: But when I just talk about skills, what you're capable

1615
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: of doing on the offensive end, I just I just

1616
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 2: think Kyrie Irving is like next level his ball handling,

1617
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 2: going to the who knocking down shots. He to me,

1618
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 2: I'm looking he was a number one overall pick, won

1619
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: a championship, hit hit the game winning shot in that

1620
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: Game seven against the Warriors when the Cavs won the championship.

1621
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 2: To me, he is a nex factor in Dallas's part.

1622
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: It's not Doncic.

1623
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: It's Kyrie.

1624
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 4: It is is absolutely Kyrie, but it's also PJ. Washington,

1625
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 4: you know, and Daniel Gafford Nico Harrison made Oh my god,

1626
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 4: those two moves were insane. To get rid of Grant

1627
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 4: William's contract and bring in a PJ. Washing That was

1628
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 4: that was insane maneuvering. And so to me that was major.

1629
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 4: But also I think Luca's realized that, you know, I

1630
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: got to involve my teammates a little bit more. But

1631
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,839
Speaker 4: the fact that he has Kyrie, Now, Kyrie's comfortable in Dallas.

1632
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 4: He's happy in Dallas. You know, Yes, he loves it there.

1633
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 4: It's like and he even said it, he's like, man

1634
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 4: I wish I could have played my whole career here

1635
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 4: and that it's a beautiful thing. You know, when you're

1636
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,440
Speaker 4: happy and comfortable.

1637
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 2: How much is that Jason Kidd.

1638
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 3: It's not Jason Kidd. It's Texas.

1639
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1640
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the city of Dallas in the state of Texas.

1641
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 4: It's just, you know, he's you know, he was dealing

1642
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 4: with all the other stuff in New York and now

1643
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 4: he doesn't have to worry about it. So but it's

1644
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 4: great to be able to play and be comfortable and relax.

1645
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 4: But I say that to say this, you know, that

1646
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 4: has helped Lucas so much, to note that I don't

1647
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 4: have to handle the ball so much now. I don't

1648
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 4: know what's going on. Man, the statement about Dallas in

1649
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 4: the pick, but that knee, I don't know if it's

1650
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 4: Luca being diva or if he's actually hurt. So I

1651
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 4: don't know if it's a serious injury. That doesn't bowl

1652
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 4: well for the Mappicks.

1653
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: All right, So the Knicks hit a three. McConnell hit

1654
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 2: a shot for the Knicks all right before the end

1655
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: of the first quarter. So thirty four to fourteen pacers

1656
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 2: blasting the Knicks after one quarter in their Eastern Conference

1657
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 2: semifinals matchup. All Right, we'll take a break. I want

1658
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 2: to get out a little bit early because I want

1659
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,639
Speaker 2: to get a little extra time on the other side

1660
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,799
Speaker 2: with a man that's gonna give us all the latest

1661
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 2: not only on Major League Baseball, but yes, the ongoing

1662
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup playoffs as well, the one, the only, the

1663
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 2: Great John Paul Morosi will join us. This is Fox

1664
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:51,879
Speaker 2: Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Olden Polinese. Here, Fox Sports Sunday.

1665
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 2: We are live from the Tirak dot Com studios. All right,

1666
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of a comeback here for the Knicks.

1667
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: They making a game of this? Or is this still over?

1668
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 3: Please? Yeah? They gonna keep fighting. God, that's what the

1669
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 3: Knicks do.

1670
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1671
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 4: But man, that's a nice little bump on the head.

1672
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 4: They just receiving the first quarter.

1673
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: All Right, We're gonna switch gears for a second here

1674
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: because joining us right now is a man that wears

1675
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: many many hats, including that of our Fox Sports Radio

1676
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 2: MLB Insider. He's sharing time with. He can't believe he's

1677
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 2: talking like Ryan and Sam Like it's it's like I

1678
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 2: had a time warp situation here. John Paul Morosi seeing

1679
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 2: our old crew step in for a day to give

1680
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 2: other guys a break. So how are you today, JP,

1681
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 2: on this Mother's Day?

1682
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 8: Outstanding? Happy Mother's Day to all the moms and the

1683
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,560
Speaker 8: families out there. It certainly you think about it in

1684
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 8: the sports life. In the sports world, none of this

1685
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 8: is possible without moms. So we think all the moms

1686
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 8: out there today, oh.

1687
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 2: No doubt about that. And all these athletes always talk

1688
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: about their moms and all the sacrifices they made to

1689
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: help them in their careers. I'm gonna start with the

1690
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 2: NHL because now we're you know, we're into the second round,

1691
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 2: just like in the NBA. And here's one thing I've

1692
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: always observed about the Stanley Cup playoffs. We always know

1693
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: in every sport there's it's more intense when you gets

1694
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 2: to the postseason. But I said this about the Stanley

1695
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 2: Cup playoffs, it's not even the same sport. Like the

1696
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 2: brand of hockey they play in the postseason is very

1697
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 2: different than they do in the regular season, which explains why.

1698
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 2: And of course I was very much a part of

1699
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 2: the La Kings run to Stanley Cup championships in twenty

1700
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 2: twelve and twenty fourteen. They were a lower level seed

1701
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 2: both of those years, and they were very ordinary in

1702
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 2: the regular season and extraordinary in the postseason. And then

1703
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 2: we saw what happened last year were the Boston Bruins

1704
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 2: had the greatest regular season ever and then went down

1705
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: the first round. But this year your four to one

1706
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 2: seeds are not only still alive, we could actually see

1707
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 2: the four one seeds all up end up in the

1708
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: final four. So what is a different this year and

1709
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 2: how it's played out so far in the Stanley Cup.

1710
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 8: Playoffs, that's a great question, Steve. I think that the

1711
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 8: biggest thing I would point out is that the teams

1712
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 8: that are leading or in a commanding position have excellent goaltending.

1713
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 8: The Rangers with Shasturkin, the Stars with Attinger that they've

1714
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 8: got a two to one lead, although that's a very

1715
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 8: competitive series still that you look at what Florida has,

1716
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 8: and of course Bobrovski and what he's been able to

1717
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 8: do in the past. It's interesting with Vancouver They've had

1718
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 8: to go to three different goaltenders in this run. So

1719
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 8: I think it's a combination of great goaltending on the

1720
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 8: top teams and not just great goaltending in name. But

1721
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 8: they're all in good form right now. They're all playing well.

1722
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 8: And also I think that the commonality that I'm seeing

1723
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 8: is that the teams that are in a very good

1724
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 8: situation in position all have a really elite defensive course.

1725
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 8: And I look at especially the Rangers. I had a

1726
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 8: chance to see them play in person this past week.

1727
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 8: It was a great week in New York. I saw

1728
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 8: a Ranger game and then two Yankees Astros games. It

1729
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 8: was great. It was my exact kind of week in

1730
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 8: New York. And you look at the Rangers and with

1731
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 8: Adam Fox and KeAndre Miller, and of course you think

1732
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 8: about Jacob Trubo, who plays a more physical style of play.

1733
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 8: I just think we're seeing so many great defensemen in

1734
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 8: the league right now, so many of them are American.

1735
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 8: It's it's really, it's in so many ways the peak

1736
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 8: of American hockey. Do you think about Quinn Hughes probably

1737
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 8: gonna win the Norris. He's doing a great job with

1738
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 8: the Vancouver Canucks, but of course their series, and if

1739
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 8: I had to pick one series that to me has

1740
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 8: the best chance to go seven and has been the

1741
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:45,720
Speaker 8: most entertaining, I would say Edmonton Vancouver, because you've got

1742
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 8: the two Canadian teams left, they're playing each other. When

1743
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 8: two Canadian teams play in the playoffs, especially in the

1744
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 8: second round, it just brings in such intensity and passion.

1745
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 8: Of course, as we know, it's been more than three

1746
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 8: decades since the last Canadian team to win the Cup.

1747
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 8: So you've got a lot of desperation, a lot of

1748
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 8: talent on both sides. You've got the best player in

1749
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 8: the world of McDavid in that series. So I've been

1750
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 8: glued to that. I cannot wait for Game three here tonight.

1751
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 3: Hejp here. So I'm good in.

1752
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 8: Yourself, outstanding. Thank you so much for the time today.

1753
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 8: I really appreciate it.

1754
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1755
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1756
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 4: So my question is still hockey, but I want to

1757
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 4: get your take on the Arizona Coyotes moved to Salt

1758
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 4: Lake City.

1759
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 3: What do you think about that and why did it happen?

1760
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 8: Well, I think there's it's a great, great question, old

1761
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 8: and there's a lot of different reasons for it. I

1762
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 8: think there's been first and foremost, if they had had

1763
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 8: a path to an arena in Arizona where they trusted

1764
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 8: that it was going to get done, they would have

1765
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 8: they would have stayed there because in some ways, and

1766
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 8: I may be a bit of a uh, you know,

1767
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 8: an outlier in this respect, I think that hockey in

1768
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 8: Arizona was extraordinarily successful, and one of the ways in

1769
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 8: which I measure that is one of the best three

1770
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 8: players in the world is from Scottsdale. That's Austin Matthews.

1771
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 8: He's the alternate captain of the Toronto Made Beliefs, And

1772
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 8: so whenever I talk hockey with my Canadian friends, I

1773
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 8: will often mention, in all sincerity, hey, you're lucky there's

1774
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 8: a team in Arizona. Because there's no team in Arizona,

1775
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,759
Speaker 8: Austin Matthews never would have been introduced to the sport.

1776
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 8: His dad's from California's moms from Mexico, and he is

1777
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 8: one of the best players in the world. And the

1778
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 8: only reason why he's playing the games because there was

1779
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 8: a franchise there to help it grow. Now, the flip

1780
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,919
Speaker 8: side of this is I'm optimistic that by having hockey

1781
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 8: in Utah that will have similar growth there, and certainly

1782
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 8: I would hope, certainly in an ideal what all of

1783
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 8: these major markets would have hockey. But I think that

1784
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 8: Ryan Smith and the way that he of course owning

1785
01:35:56,960 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 8: the Utah Jazz and building up the culture of high

1786
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 8: hockey there. I do think it's going to be win

1787
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 8: a win win, because we're likely looking at a newer

1788
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 8: arena to be built there as a successor to the

1789
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 8: Delta Center. We'll see perhaps and more than likely in

1790
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 8: Olympics there in the next eight to ten years, and

1791
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 8: so by having more and more Olympic Games in hockey

1792
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 8: culture there, it becomes the ideal place for us to

1793
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 8: host an Olympic Games in the future. With NHL players

1794
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 8: playing in an NHL building, I think there's there's really

1795
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 8: good synergy there. But uh, but od, it's a it's

1796
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 8: a really important question. I wish that hockey would have

1797
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 8: been more successful in in Arizona. I just think they

1798
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 8: wanted to take that next step. And you know, certainly

1799
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 8: what a great, uh sports market, basketball market Salt Lake

1800
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 8: City is, and I think that the only the only

1801
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 8: concern I've got Old is that we couldn't get one

1802
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 8: of the other former teams, the Pistons, to get the

1803
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 8: top tick on the NBA lot. We're concerned about that

1804
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 8: here in Michigan. Old. We keep we keep waiting, I

1805
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 8: keep I keep wanting to wanting them to be as

1806
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,879
Speaker 8: good as they were back when you played here in Michigan,

1807
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 8: and we have, we have had a long struggle to

1808
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 8: get there.

1809
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 2: My friend, well, I mean, you guys, come on yet,

1810
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 2: what at seven straight trips in the Eastern Conference Finals

1811
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 2: at one point for the Pistons, they had a magical round.

1812
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 2: At least he got Chauncey Billups into the Hall of Fame.

1813
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: That was long overdue. All right, let's let's turn to

1814
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. Now, JP. You know that I'm a

1815
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 2: I'm an old school guy. And yesterday Moncei and I

1816
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 2: were doing our radio show and all of a sudden,

1817
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: she tells me, Hey, we got a no hitter going on.

1818
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 2: Do you want me to mention it? It could be

1819
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 2: a jinx And she goes, yeah, Max Fritz got a

1820
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 2: no hitter going. And then I looked up and he's gone.

1821
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 2: He's out seven no hit innings. They lifted him. They

1822
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,640
Speaker 2: end up losing the no hitter with two out of

1823
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 2: the ninth, with Jad Martinez hitting a home run. I

1824
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 2: know this is not new. We've seen a lot of

1825
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 2: these combined no hitters. Major League Baseball used to list

1826
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 2: a no hitter. If you pitched nine no hit innings,

1827
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:52,920
Speaker 2: even if you were to lose the no hitter in

1828
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 2: extra innings, you still got credit for a no hitter.

1829
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 2: Then they took those off the books. I'm for this.

1830
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a rid of com I know

1831
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 2: hitters that to me is not a no hitter. A

1832
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 2: no hitter, to me, is an individual achievement. It's like

1833
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 2: hitting for the cycle, Like if you had a team

1834
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 2: hit for a cycle. Is that a cycle? No, it's

1835
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 2: not hitting for a cycle, but by the way, has

1836
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 2: been done exactly almost to the number as many times

1837
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 2: as a no hitter is an individual achievement. That's the

1838
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,520
Speaker 2: way I look at a no hitter. I would disallow

1839
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 2: or have it a separate category, combined no hitters. It

1840
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 2: kills me when I see the record books and they

1841
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 2: list the combine no hitters side by side by individual

1842
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 2: no hitters. That's just me. How do you feel about it?

1843
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 8: That's fair, I think, Steve, I do. And it's interesting

1844
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 8: when you see it listed in different places, and certainly

1845
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 8: now the record book itself is something of a it's

1846
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 8: in an acronism, right, It's something from a different time,

1847
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 8: This old fashioned thing where I don't bring a record

1848
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,000
Speaker 8: book to the ballpark with me. I just just look

1849
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,800
Speaker 8: it up online. And I do think that when you

1850
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,719
Speaker 8: look it up online, when you look up the overall

1851
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 8: records of the game, it is different when you see

1852
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 8: combined no hitter or an asterisk next to a team

1853
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 8: and a date and a score and it says this

1854
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 8: was a combined team no hitter. Is do I believe

1855
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 8: And in terms of the historical context, do I look

1856
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 8: at Christian Javier's no hitter a combined no hitter in

1857
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 8: the World Series in the same way as Don Larson's

1858
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 8: perfect Game? No, I don't. I mean, first of all,

1859
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 8: one's the perfect game and one's a no hitter, but

1860
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 8: also one was by one person at the final out.

1861
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:37,759
Speaker 8: It was Don Larson and Yogi Berra embracing at Yankee Stadium.

1862
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 8: That was that was the magic of that moment. And

1863
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,120
Speaker 8: now it might be the third or fourth pitcher. It's

1864
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 8: so interesting where sometimes you hear the story told and

1865
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:50,800
Speaker 8: it's it's remarkable to hear it that a guy will

1866
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 8: close out a no hitter, a combined no hitter, not

1867
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 8: even realizing it the no hitter, And sometimes it actually

1868
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 8: happens they're so they're focused on their inning and not

1869
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 8: really worried about how many how many hits have been

1870
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,799
Speaker 8: given up, and everybody's worried about the jinks and nobody's

1871
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 8: talking about it. There's getting three outs not really thinking

1872
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 8: about it. So that is a very interesting part of

1873
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 8: it to me, guys, Steven Olden, it's all about the

1874
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 8: way that the game has changed. And even even Paul

1875
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 8: skeins yesterday is very highly anticipated debut. Now there was

1876
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 8: some rain involved, but he wasn't gonna go nine innings anyway.

1877
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 8: And I think that's that's part of it where you

1878
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 8: would ideally like to see in the past a seven

1879
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 8: inning start and eight inning start. I certainly covered a

1880
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 8: lot of those by Justin Verlander back in the day.

1881
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 8: The game has not changed, or it's not supposed to

1882
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 8: have changed that much, but guys are now programmed to

1883
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 8: go max effort for nine innings and it just simply

1884
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 8: or for however long they can go, and it simply

1885
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:53,759
Speaker 8: just doesn't it's not conducive to allowing guys to stay longer.

1886
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 8: I mean, I said, think about all is great. The

1887
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 8: seasons Olden played in the NBA, it's almost like, right

1888
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 8: Now the equivalent is is guys are just sprinting. Sprinting

1889
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 8: is never slowing down, sprinting straight for however long they

1890
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,759
Speaker 8: can go. And it's not nine innings any longer, certainly,

1891
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 8: and it's not going to be forty eight minutes in

1892
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 8: the basketball game. It's it's just a very different sport

1893
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:18,560
Speaker 8: where guys need rest more often because their effort is maximized,

1894
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 8: and I really believe it is not for the betterment

1895
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 8: of the overall product.

1896
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1897
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 4: Great, great answer. You touched on Paul skin. That was

1898
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 4: going to be one of my I had a two

1899
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 4: part question, so I was going to ask you about,

1900
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 4: you know, what you thought of his performance and also.

1901
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame.

1902
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 4: I've always had an issue with the Hall of Fame

1903
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:42,040
Speaker 4: because if a guy, you know, put the numbers up,

1904
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 4: he's a Hall of Famer supposedly, but then you know,

1905
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 4: he goes a year, five years, seven years, ten years,

1906
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 4: whatever it is. I mean, the stats don't change what.

1907
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 2: I'm so happy. I'm so happy you asked this question.

1908
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 2: What I love to print JP to the wall on this. No,

1909
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,440
Speaker 2: he's not Hall of Fame all day, every day, believe.

1910
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 8: Me, I love it. So let's answer the last part

1911
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 8: first old and it's an excellent point. So I'm a voter.

1912
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 8: I have been, for goodness almost ten years now. I

1913
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 8: love it. It's one of my favorite things that I

1914
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 8: do in my role, and I'm honored to have the ballot.

1915
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,360
Speaker 8: It's hard, it's hard to figure it out. I think

1916
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 8: sometimes one thing we run into is we're only allowed

1917
01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 8: to vote for ten players on every ballot, and so

1918
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 8: sometimes you may not have room for a guy. Let's

1919
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 8: say Scott Rowland's a good example. When he first came

1920
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 8: on the ballot, everybody wasn't voting for him because maybe

1921
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 8: they wanted to make sure that they were voting for

1922
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 8: the other players that were ahead of him, a Derek Jeter,

1923
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 8: for example. There's just not as much space on the

1924
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:50,680
Speaker 8: ballot for that particular year. But as as people reconsidered

1925
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 8: his case and took a second look at his numbers,

1926
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,520
Speaker 8: sometimes someone like a Tim Rains, Larry Walker, Burt Blylevin.

1927
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,759
Speaker 8: They're all examples of guys who I think certainly belong

1928
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 8: in the Hall of Fame, but it required a longer

1929
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 8: amount of time for the voters to really reconsider their candidacies.

1930
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 8: And that's I know. Joel Sherman, who I do a

1931
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 8: lot of Hall of Fame shows with the Jason Stark.

1932
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 8: We always talk about how it's it's important to consider

1933
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 8: every name on your ballot, really think about his credentials

1934
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:25,520
Speaker 8: and consider how maybe with the benefit of additional information

1935
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 8: context that you that you tend to look at a

1936
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 8: player in a different light. But I also know that

1937
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 8: from your perspective, you knew who the Hall of Famers

1938
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 8: were that you were playing against. I would think that

1939
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 8: players players have that certain knowledge of when you're on

1940
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,639
Speaker 8: the floor, on the court, on the on the field

1941
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 8: with somebody, oh my gosh, that's the Hall of Famer,

1942
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 8: and I think you instinctively know who that person is.

1943
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 8: And that's why I think it's important for the first

1944
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 8: of all, for us to have the input of the players,

1945
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 8: and second of off of theer to be what we

1946
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 8: call the era committees, where players themselves sit on the

1947
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 8: committees and consider the guy that we didn't vote for.

1948
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 8: Because the players possess insight that we don't have, and

1949
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 8: so I think it's really important that there is that

1950
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 8: second step where the players can help have a voice

1951
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 8: to who joins their fraternity. If if you will, Ted

1952
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 8: Simmons is one example from recent years, but I'll get

1953
01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 8: to fall Skins quickly. I think that he really he

1954
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 8: answered the ball in terms of what his command, his

1955
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:27,599
Speaker 8: ability to really just show his incredible ability to make pitches.

1956
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 8: And I know earlier on I said that we're sometimes

1957
01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 8: two velocity focused, and we are. And yet when we

1958
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 8: see it like we saw it with Skeins where he

1959
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 8: was hitting one oh one's, it's worth noting that what

1960
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 8: he's doing is fairly extraordinary. Would he be able to

1961
01:44:42,040 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 8: in a different time, And I still think he could

1962
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 8: pitch at ninety four to ninety five and get maybe

1963
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 8: an additional inning out of every start. I think that's

1964
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 8: in there somewhere. But certainly yesterday he proved Olden that

1965
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:57,760
Speaker 8: he's got the equipment to throw the ball harder than

1966
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 8: just about anybody else on the all.

1967
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 2: Right, now, I'm gonna make one final statement here about

1968
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. So follow me on this, guys.

1969
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 2: This is how I would set up all Hall of

1970
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 2: Fames five year retirement room. Now I rule is in

1971
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:17,679
Speaker 2: so I'm assuming those that are selecting for the Hall

1972
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 2: of Fame are doing their homework. That's a big assumption

1973
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 2: because a lot of times I'm looking at votes because

1974
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 2: they're public, and I'm like, this person absolutely did no homework.

1975
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna assume that everyone's doing their homework. You

1976
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 2: have all the first year eligibles on the ballot, only, Okay,

1977
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:40,759
Speaker 2: you've had five years to evaluate their career. You vote,

1978
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 2: you get seventy five percent, you're in. If you don't.

1979
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in second chances. Five years later,

1980
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 2: those players that did not make it will get one

1981
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 2: final shot. Now you've had ten years to figure out

1982
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 2: whether or not. And I've always said this about the

1983
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. If I give you a name and

1984
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 2: you got to think about it, they're not a Hall

1985
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 2: of Famer, right, I mean that's the way I look

1986
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:06,560
Speaker 2: at it. Like if I give you a name and

1987
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:10,640
Speaker 2: you're like, well no, see, I mean my Hall of

1988
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 2: Fame would be far more exclusive than it is right now.

1989
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 2: But anyway, so that's the way I would do it,

1990
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 2: and you get a second chance. So there's none of

1991
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 2: this sitting on the ballot for you know, ten years

1992
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 2: or you know, veterans commit none of that crap. Okay,

1993
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,639
Speaker 2: Obviously you would have a separate committee for non players

1994
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 2: for coaches, executives, umpires, whatever. But as far as the

1995
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 2: players concerned, five year retirement. Everyone's the first ballot. Guy,

1996
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 2: you get in great. If you don't five years later,

1997
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 2: you get one more shot, because I'm assuming that those

1998
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 2: that are making the picks are doing their homework.

1999
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 3: There you go.

2000
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 8: Oh, I know is this when I was watching Olden

2001
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 8: wear that beautiful zero at the Palace Auburn Hills all

2002
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 8: those years ago. I knew this back on those teams.

2003
01:46:55,840 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 8: Joe d Hall of favor, Rodman, hall of Famer, Isaiah.

2004
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 8: There you go. But it was a pretty pretty simple.

2005
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 8: Look at the roster right there, right Olden?

2006
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, that was absolute.

2007
01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah what what what happened to the palace? That's that's gone?

2008
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 3: Palace is gone.

2009
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 8: It was a great.

2010
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the palace.

2011
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't great for me. I was covering the Lakers

2012
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 2: for the four finals. I was there for all three games.

2013
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 2: It was an absolute nightmare of that day. Uh JP,

2014
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 2: great stuff is always We'll talk to again next week.

2015
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 8: Dave hadn't doing the conversation. Thank you for representing the

2016
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 8: Pistons as well as you did.

2017
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

2018
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 8: Awesome times.

2019
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 2: There he is the great John Paul Morosi. All right,

2020
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 2: let's find out what is trending right now, and Monci,

2021
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 2: we have a game that's not getting any better.

2022
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:45,320
Speaker 6: No, no, it's not.

2023
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 7: I mean they came out swinging and they've maintained it.

2024
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 7: They started shooting sixty percent from the field Indiana, they're

2025
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,680
Speaker 7: still shooting fifty seven percent from the field. Yeah, and

2026
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 7: their three point shooting went up to forty seven percent,

2027
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 7: while New York's three point shooting is at fifteen percent.

2028
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 6: No, boy, no, fellas, it is sixty to.

2029
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 7: Thirty four, two and a half minutes to go in

2030
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 7: the first half.

2031
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's not looking good. But we have

2032
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 6: seen a lot of comebacks.

2033
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 2: It's not you know, well, I I asked, I asked Olden,

2034
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 2: I said this. I said, how many times in your

2035
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 2: career were you down twenty in a game and came

2036
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 2: back to win? I mean, you can count him on

2037
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,679
Speaker 2: one hand or them on one hand. Yeah, this guy

2038
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 2: played fifteen years in the NBA, seventeen years. On one hand,

2039
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 2: it happened, you're down twenty in a game, especially on

2040
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 2: the road.

2041
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, but this year we've seen it happened in

2042
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 7: the playoffs.

2043
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 6: We've seen it happen. The Glippers were up by thirty

2044
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 6: one and almost lost. Yeah, you know, so it's just

2045
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:50,759
Speaker 6: anything could happen.

2046
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:54,240
Speaker 7: But it does look like Indiana is definitely in a

2047
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 7: rhythm that the Knicks are not in right now. Yeah,

2048
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 7: sixty to thirty five, two minutes to go. Following this game,

2049
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,200
Speaker 7: it's still the Timberwolves and the Nuggets. We also have hockey.

2050
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 7: The Bruins and the Panthers will have Game four. No

2051
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 7: Brad Marshan for Boston. He has an upper body injury

2052
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 7: that he suffered in Game three. Then it's Game three

2053
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 7: between the Canucks and the Oilers on the ice, which

2054
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:16,679
Speaker 7: is a series that's tied at one apiece. Let's check

2055
01:49:16,720 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 7: in in Major League Baseball. Baltimore was in a rain

2056
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 7: delay against the Diamondbacks, but it looks like they're going

2057
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,799
Speaker 7: back into it. Arizona on top, nine to two, bottom

2058
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,560
Speaker 7: of the eighth inning. The Cubs have just taken the

2059
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 7: lead against the Pirates. In the tenth inning, it's four

2060
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 7: to two, top of the tenth. The Yankees are trying

2061
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:34,839
Speaker 7: to close this one out against the Rays in Tampa.

2062
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 6: They are up ten to six.

2063
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 7: It's the bottom of the ninth inning, the Rays are

2064
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 7: down to their final out, but they do have a

2065
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 7: man on first base. Also in extra innings in Miami

2066
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 7: between the Phillies and the Marlins. They're going to the

2067
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:48,439
Speaker 7: bottom of the tenth inning. They are tied at six apiece.

2068
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 7: The Cardinals trying to snap their seven game losing streak,

2069
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 7: and they have taken the lead over the Brewers.

2070
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:56,360
Speaker 6: It's four to three top of the ninth inning.

2071
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,639
Speaker 7: In Milwaukee, the Rockies are beating the Rangers two to one.

2072
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,120
Speaker 7: To the fifth, the Reds are up on the Giants

2073
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:03,639
Speaker 7: three zero. Top of the second.

2074
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,919
Speaker 6: The Padres are beating the Dodgers.

2075
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 7: Walker Bueller on the mound gave up back to back

2076
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 7: home runs, first Fernando Tattoos Junior, then Jake Croninworth. Padres

2077
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 7: up to zero top of the second. The Mariners are

2078
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 7: beating the A's one.

2079
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 6: Zero bottom of the second. And I just became a

2080
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 6: Mariners fans Fellas.

2081
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 7: Apparently they're doing this new thing this season where they

2082
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 7: play Heaven is the Place on Earth that song, right,

2083
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 7: and they're dropping little parachutes with hot dogs on them

2084
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:32,560
Speaker 7: throughout the stadium.

2085
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:33,879
Speaker 6: So I am official?

2086
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 2: Yes? So is it?

2087
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 3: Is it?

2088
01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 2: A bear dog, or.

2089
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 7: It's a hot like bun in the hot hot yes, yeah,

2090
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,360
Speaker 7: with the parachute and they're dropping them, and.

2091
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 6: So I am that's it. That's it. I'm in. You

2092
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 6: don't have to do anything else.

2093
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 7: You're throwing food, You're you're dropping food in the air,

2094
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 7: like I love that?

2095
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 2: Does anyone? How often do you eat a hot dog

2096
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,679
Speaker 2: when you're not at a sporting event? Never?

2097
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 6: Not ever?

2098
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 7: But I just was at the Dodgers game, not gonna lie,

2099
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:09,720
Speaker 7: I had like three three veggie dogs.

2100
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 2: I mean hot dogs, like to How often you eat

2101
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 2: popcorn in a bucket when you're not at a movie?

2102
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 3: I'm over here gagging.

2103
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 7: If I gave you a veggie dog, you wouldn't even

2104
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:22,839
Speaker 7: notice the difference.

2105
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 6: Promise you, promise you.

2106
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:30,679
Speaker 7: Second, of all, the popcorn, I do like kettle corn,

2107
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 7: so I make kettle corn.

2108
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 2: Corn does not cant?

2109
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 1: Why not?

2110
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 2: Because kettle kettle corn is s like cracker jack.

2111
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, not the one that's coated.

2112
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 4: You eating a veggie dog, right, yeah? And then you're

2113
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 4: eating kettle corn?

2114
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:48,599
Speaker 6: Yes?

2115
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 3: No, So what's the point.

2116
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:54,519
Speaker 2: Now, what's the point? Everyone knows how much I love mons,

2117
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 2: but for help.

2118
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:59,040
Speaker 6: Not the way I eat. No, I'm a veering and

2119
01:51:59,120 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 6: not healthy at all.

2120
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 2: Veggie chicken nuggets.

2121
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:07,639
Speaker 6: Veggie chicken wings. No, no, there.

2122
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 7: Was even a stick inside to make you feel like

2123
01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 7: you're having like a little drunk.

2124
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 2: One bite, one bite was enough to tell me that

2125
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:14,599
Speaker 2: was not a chicken.

2126
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,719
Speaker 3: That was I don't know how like that. I don't

2127
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 3: need it.

2128
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Speaker 2: Then you have that, Sam, Were you guys a part

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Speaker 2: of that? You were a part of that. I thought

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01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:24,519
Speaker 2: they were diesel.

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01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:26,800
Speaker 6: They were delicious.

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01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:29,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't quite right. Don't even identify what they taste.

2133
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 2: The texture was like, there was not good.

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01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 3: It was glue.

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01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:33,719
Speaker 2: Whatever.

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01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 6: I'm gonna live past. So it's fine.

2137
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 2: They made out like a fruit.

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01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 6: They're not those that was made out of soy.

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01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 2: So use jack soy on a stick.

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01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, my favorite saying a hundred years from now, none

2141
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 4: of you're right, none of us.

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01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 2: Are going to be here.

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01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:51,679
Speaker 6: You're right, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Very good, All right, thank you? Min reminded me of Yeah.

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01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 2: So I threw a stat out yes to eliminate one

2146
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 2: team from winning the NBA Championship. Alden and the team

2147
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 2: that is not not going to win the NBA Championship

2148
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 2: is the Denver Nuggets. Oh wow, Now, why do I

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01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 2: have I am so convinced about that because Nikola Jokic

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01:53:18,439 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 2: won the MVP award. Think about this, in the last

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01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 2: twenty years before this year, the league's MVP, which is

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01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 2: always announced during the playoffs, has gone on to win

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01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:40,240
Speaker 2: the NBA championship that season only three times in the

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01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 2: last twenty years. That was Lebron back to back in

2155
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 2: twenty twelve twenty thirteen with Miami, and the last time

2156
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,040
Speaker 2: it happened was Steph Curry in twenty fifteen with the Warriors.

2157
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 2: Those are the only three regular season MVPs whose team

2158
01:53:55,479 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 2: would win the championship that season hasn't happened since twenty fifteen.

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01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:06,880
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen Steph Curry's seventy three win team gone Russell

2160
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 2: Westbrook seventeen. No, hard to know Gianni's couple of years.

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01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,640
Speaker 2: No jokicch Ironically, the only year he has won the

2162
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 2: MVP in the last four years was last year and

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01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:18,800
Speaker 2: his team went on to win the championship.

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Speaker 4: So I don't believe in that because this is the

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Speaker 4: first time, you know, he's been a defending champion, and

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01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 4: I think these guys are defending that championship and Also,

2167
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:34,120
Speaker 4: you got to remember, whether it was Westbrook or somebody else,

2168
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:39,120
Speaker 4: it has to do with your team also, And the

2169
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 4: beauty of jokicch is this. He has a great supporting cast.

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01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 4: He's not caught up in the extras you know of

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01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 4: the NBA lifestyle and everything else and all that comes

2172
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 4: into play. You know, guys going out to the strip clubs,

2173
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 4: party and all that, doing the finals. All that is

2174
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 4: a part of it too that people don't talk about.

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01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 4: And so to me, he's not dealing with any of

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01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,960
Speaker 4: that stuff they have constrained on basketball. Not a guy

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01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,800
Speaker 4: who I'm shocked at to see how well he's playing,

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01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 4: and I think he's the X factor is Michael Porter Junior. Yes,

2179
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 4: the stuff this young man is doing with everything else

2180
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 4: that's going on in his family's life, my lord insane.

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01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 2: So well coach team, and they built that team the

2182
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 2: right way. They have clearly defined roles on that team. Yeah,

2183
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,160
Speaker 2: guys can step up. I mean, obviously we've seen Gordon,

2184
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 2: you know, do more offensively on certain nights. But I've

2185
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 2: always looked at great teams and you can look at

2186
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 2: their box scores game in and game out, and they

2187
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 2: look identical almost every game because they have clearly defined

2188
01:55:45,880 --> 01:55:49,960
Speaker 2: roles for their players, and that continuity between coach and

2189
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 2: players matters. That's why Denver is where they are right now.

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01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 2: All right, coming up on the other side, I got

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01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 2: a huge question, huge question for this guy, Olden Polonies.

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01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 3: I have a huge Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure you will. This is Fox Sports Sunday, but Rock o'clock,

2194
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:11,280
Speaker 2: but Rock Steve Harvin, Olden Polonies Here, Fox Sports Sunday

2195
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 2: once again. We are live from the tai Iraq dot

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01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 2: Com studios. Want to thank the crew today. Moncey, of course,

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01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 2: she is the glue of this entire operation, and uh

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01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 2: Olden has promised me he will never ever indulge in

2199
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 2: one of your vege douars that I'm never gonna happen.

2200
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,960
Speaker 2: But we have Ryan here, and we have Sam. Now

2201
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 2: this is a blast on the past for us. These

2202
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 2: are guys that literally put the show on the map

2203
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:46,240
Speaker 2: many many years ago. Welcome. We have basically ditched everything

2204
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:49,400
Speaker 2: you guys brought to the show, but that doesn't mean

2205
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:51,080
Speaker 2: that you're still not a part of the show and

2206
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 2: will be as long as I'm here. So, oh you

2207
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 2: good to see you, Ryan, Good to see you Sam.

2208
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:00,760
Speaker 2: Of course, they're here. They've just been, you know, elevated

2209
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 2: into much more prominent roles here at Fox Sports Radio.

2210
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:09,720
Speaker 2: Tearing up, Yeah, but do you feel like the the

2211
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 2: lofty positions that you're in now within this organization, that

2212
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 2: you really sort of cut your teeth, you know, with

2213
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 2: this show? Absolutely?

2214
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, put the time in here on the weekends, yes time.

2215
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:26,040
Speaker 3: Everyone knows there's no host more more difficult, more demanding.

2216
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: More.

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01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:31,320
Speaker 2: Uh yes, I really, I really ask a lot of

2218
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 2: you guys. I really ask really Mons. Mons was talking

2219
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 2: about this yesterday, goes. You have to understand there's no

2220
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 2: prep for this show. I'm not handing you anything. The

2221
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 2: only thing I got is the reads we have to

2222
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 2: do here, And of course that means that whoever I'm

2223
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:52,200
Speaker 2: hosting the show with has got to play along. Olden's

2224
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:53,840
Speaker 2: been here many times and meod he knows how the

2225
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 2: game's played.

2226
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 9: Of course, So it's it's it's an easy fall, it's

2227
01:57:56,600 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 9: it's not nothing, Yeah, exactly. So we pick a few

2228
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 9: things to talk about during the course of the show,

2229
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 9: and I'm always confident, on confident in my co hosts

2230
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 9: abilities to follow my lead, and it never.

2231
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 3: Fails, never ever, never have it.

2232
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 2: But thank you very much for delivering John palm ROSSI today.

2233
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 2: Thank you there, of course, and a flawless job is

2234
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 2: always so thank you, Thank you very much. Okay, I

2235
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 2: have a question for you, Olden, because we were talking

2236
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 2: about NICOLEA. Jokic three time now NBA MVP, and I think,

2237
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 2: in my opinion, one of the reasons that he has

2238
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:38,960
Speaker 2: become such a force in this league as a post

2239
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 2: player is that biggs don't even know how to guard

2240
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 2: the post anymore. That's they're not drilled in it like

2241
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:52,120
Speaker 2: guys of your era. So if Olden Polonies in your prime,

2242
01:58:53,720 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 2: let's let's go back into your mid to late twenties

2243
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:02,120
Speaker 2: physically you are, that's wrong, maybe your early thirties at

2244
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 2: a Donnis, I'm killing Jokics, and that's what I want

2245
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 2: to say. So Yoka, there he is, and your coach

2246
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 2: is looking at you saying, do something. Stop this guy's

2247
01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 2: killing us When you watch him, I'm sure you're figuring

2248
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:22,000
Speaker 2: this out. How would I, in my prime try to

2249
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 2: take this guy out?

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Speaker 4: Well, the best way to answer is this I competed against.

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01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 4: My first game was against Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Then I

2252
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 4: had to go up against Patrick Ewing Alonza Morning, David Robinson,

2253
01:59:36,280 --> 01:59:40,840
Speaker 4: Tim Duncan, the KM, Matombo, Sha Keill O'Neill Alonza Morning.

2254
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:42,960
Speaker 4: I can go on and on all the greatest players

2255
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 4: to ever play. As biggs. I had to learn how

2256
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 4: to defend every last one of them, So yokics would

2257
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:49,840
Speaker 4: have been no different. I would have just learned how

2258
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:52,080
Speaker 4: to play. If I asked a young guy today, do

2259
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 4: you know what a swim move is? They wouldn't know.

2260
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 4: They think it's something you do in the pool, right,

2261
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 4: And so to me, they just you're right. No one's teaching.

2262
02:00:00,200 --> 02:00:03,960
Speaker 4: It's all analytics and it's unfortunate, but no one. There

2263
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 4: is no big man's coach. All the teams have mostly

2264
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,800
Speaker 4: gods as coaches teaching bigs.

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

2266
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:14,440
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing. You can't know what you're

2267
02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 2: not taught to do and something that you don't do

2268
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:21,480
Speaker 2: on a repetitive basis in your day. I mean, it

2269
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:24,360
Speaker 2: was it was a big man's game. Big men dominated

2270
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 2: the sport, and if you were a post defender, you

2271
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:31,680
Speaker 2: better know what you're doing or you're gonna get destroyed.

2272
02:00:32,240 --> 02:00:36,360
Speaker 3: Definitely, you were getting eaten up. And I didn't even mention, I.

2273
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:39,320
Speaker 2: Was gonna say there was one left out.

2274
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:44,320
Speaker 4: That's how crazy the league was with bigs YEA and

2275
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 4: the idea of like they were, well, they couldn't play today, and.

2276
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:52,520
Speaker 2: They couldn't play today like.

2277
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:59,680
Speaker 4: Desroy people today. Shaq would destroy people. Stop it. That's

2278
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:02,840
Speaker 4: why I'm saying they make these absurd statements as a

2279
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:06,120
Speaker 4: statement of facts because we can't technically.

2280
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 2: Prove it right, exactly, who's your goat in the NBA.

2281
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:14,240
Speaker 3: It's always been Kareem.

2282
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,280
Speaker 2: I love the fact that you say that it's always

2283
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:19,400
Speaker 2: been Kareem because I used to say this about Kareem

2284
02:01:19,560 --> 02:01:22,520
Speaker 2: whose resume matches his resume, especially if you include his

2285
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:23,800
Speaker 2: collegers at UCLA.

2286
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:26,400
Speaker 3: But I don't dismiss the other guys.

2287
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:29,240
Speaker 2: Right, it's all about here is no question about that.

2288
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:31,600
Speaker 2: All right, much more coming up, keep it here. This

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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Radio, Steve