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Speaker 3: This your boy in O R E? What Up?
Speaker 1: Is DJ E f N?
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 3: Motherfucking classic drink Chess make And right now, when I
Speaker 3: tell you, man, this man basically raised me with his music.
Speaker 1: Man legend.
Speaker 3: This man has been out here, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: a monkey foot in the game for years. We've been
Speaker 3: working out to it all week, listening to his music.
Speaker 3: Just the brush up on what's going on.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: The man is. It's a legend of legend. He's an icon.
Speaker 3: His wordplay, the ship that he was doing back then,
Speaker 3: Holy moly, guacamole is still doing now still got festival,
Speaker 3: still got.
Speaker 1: Shit going on. In case you don't know the fun
Speaker 1: we about.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: This is a song where I was going through your catalog.
Speaker 3: This is a song immediately and never go back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, is that?
Speaker 2: Can I live sample? Nah?
Speaker 1: Can I live sample? Never go back?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Well, I came out first with it. That was produced
Speaker 2: by hit Man How We Tea? And first, let me
Speaker 2: just tell T send my love and respect in regards
Speaker 2: to hit Man How We te Man?
Speaker 1: He changed my life.
Speaker 2: He changed a lot of people's lives man, but mind
Speaker 2: especially Man since I was fifteen years old.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: He's also produced for Chub Rocks absolutely chub Rock, Little
Speaker 2: Sean Pumo, Whistle U TF folder, Real Rock Saying, and
Speaker 2: the list goes on and on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's let's get back to what we were
Speaker 3: talking about being for that.
Speaker 2: Never go back the sample.
Speaker 3: Because I'm listening to it. Wow, did Jay get that
Speaker 3: off for you?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: At least at least I did because I put it
Speaker 2: out first. I mean, the way it goes and hip
Speaker 2: hop is when you hear something and then.
Speaker 1: You do it. You did it based on what you heard.
Speaker 2: Is it.
Speaker 1: How we did that, I don't know.
Speaker 2: We could look on like Isaac cays, you can look
Speaker 2: on whose sample or whatever, but yeah, how we I
Speaker 2: just coming, I just come in the studio, and how
Speaker 2: we got it playing. I actually wrote that joint in
Speaker 2: probably about thirty minutes the whole song, because that's how
Speaker 2: charged I was.
Speaker 1: Off the beat. I was like, oh, this ship is hard, and.
Speaker 2: It's the kind of yeah, it's the kind of vibing
Speaker 2: level you could really kind of freestyle. But there was
Speaker 2: factors involved. He was at the time, he was working
Speaker 2: with Little Vicious. Yeah, so I threw them in there.
Speaker 2: Donovan shout outs to the hustler. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and that see you got the Saint Norir hosest.
Speaker 1: All praises.
Speaker 2: Do I need one man sat ed candle burn that
Speaker 2: shit all day?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm Jamaican ja.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why my first record
Speaker 2: I said I'm not a Puerto Rican because coming from
Speaker 2: Brooklyn and so much cultural diversity in the New York,
Speaker 2: everybody thought I was everything Dominican Puerto Rican every day.
Speaker 2: So I had to kind of dispel that one time.
Speaker 2: But I never got the answer Jamaican from anybody, right.
Speaker 3: Because I always I mean, listening to your music, we
Speaker 3: always hear when you pick up the flat buysh and
Speaker 3: all that. I always thought that you were Guyanese. I
Speaker 3: always thought that to me, Guyanese like Jamaica's cousins.
Speaker 1: Right, well, we's all from the Caribbean.
Speaker 2: It's all the Caribbean, same areas, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican, Cuba, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just the colonizes.
Speaker 2: I believe language the colonizer spoke right right, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 3: The first time I met you, I said, are you
Speaker 3: a Puerto Rican? I was like, this motherfucker said that ship.
Speaker 1: He's not a Puerto Rican.
Speaker 3: And I said, listen, all right, let's let's.
Speaker 2: Do you know.
Speaker 3: You have arguably one of the best beats ever made
Speaker 3: in hip hop.
Speaker 1: Howie Tea once again?
Speaker 2: I got it made, how made ty? How We Tea
Speaker 2: changed my life. He actually produced the entire first album,
Speaker 2: Young and Youngest in Sharks, and at the time I
Speaker 2: was fifteen years old, so I was just really r
Speaker 2: y Ronan. But I was actually going through the crates
Speaker 2: with him and I was doing some producing myself, and
Speaker 2: he actually wanted to give me producer credit and I refused.
Speaker 2: I was now, man, I was like back then, yeah,
Speaker 2: back then, because I was just honored to have.
Speaker 3: Him, as you'd have been the first, off, daddy, the first, like.
Speaker 1: I am the first.
Speaker 2: I am unequivocal.
Speaker 3: Me now.
Speaker 2: And in terms of that, now, let's talk about that
Speaker 2: we are we invented all that remix ship period, so
Speaker 2: they could claim whatever they want, but how We Tea
Speaker 2: was the one. How we remix everything, and not just
Speaker 2: for me, for every other artist as well. So when
Speaker 2: they talk about remix this and we the remix that, no,
Speaker 2: y'all not man, how we Tea Brooklyn, New York, let's go,
Speaker 2: it's like Harry.
Speaker 1: I can't even put it on blasts.
Speaker 3: And so last night, because I got the worst phone
Speaker 3: in the world, I'm gonna send this to hash. You
Speaker 3: got the better phone, right, I mean, yes, this.
Speaker 2: Was this last time we tea to remain one.
Speaker 3: Kids hooked up so you could play it.
Speaker 1: Your little Bobby, how did you guess? Connect you and
Speaker 1: Howie te how we tea?
Speaker 2: Howie Tea lived across the street from my first cousins flat,
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we grew up right across the street.
Speaker 2: From each other, and they were friends, family friends, so
Speaker 2: I seen it, neew them all my life, like when
Speaker 2: they first came out, we'll like get tough in like
Speaker 2: eighty two eighty three.
Speaker 4: Like we was.
Speaker 1: We was there. I was there when it was making.
Speaker 1: He's brock cousin.
Speaker 2: Oh okay okay, And I believe actually little Sean had
Speaker 2: to bring him to Howie he you know, he was bashful.
Speaker 2: I guess you know what I'm saying, But I wasn't.
Speaker 2: So I went to my cousin and I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: take me across the street. When I was little, they
Speaker 2: used to hold my hand to walk across the street.
Speaker 1: No, I was that little, was always was.
Speaker 2: But that's how long I've been around how we tea
Speaker 2: and production and all that stuff. So they used to
Speaker 2: take me across the street to watch them make mixtapes.
Speaker 1: They used to have to set outside and DJ and hap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they used to have the crew out there
Speaker 2: with the mics, And to me as a little dude,
Speaker 2: it was like incredible. I was like, oh ship, they
Speaker 2: up here performing in the driveway in the backyard type shit.
Speaker 1: But they making mixtapes.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 2: And that was my first real hands on exposure, and
Speaker 2: then one time he made a mixtape and he remade
Speaker 2: the Bubble Bunch Beat. Shout out to Jimmy Spicer Man
Speaker 2: because that's my other biggest influence because he was from
Speaker 2: Flatbush two he was from Brooklyn and super round Bubble
Speaker 2: Bunch Dollar Bill y'all. Yeah, that was Jimmy Spicer Man.
Speaker 2: I used to listen to that religiously.
Speaker 3: So you said you had You just did a concert
Speaker 3: in Cony Island.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I curate. I do concerts.
Speaker 2: I did Coney Island Hip Hop fiftieth with Summer Stage
Speaker 2: with City Parks Foundations. Yeah, and I got another one
Speaker 2: coming up on Sunday. I'm doing a Native Tongues tribute
Speaker 2: with Red Alert, Jungle Brothers, Chili, Black Sheep, Dress, Money Love. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Sunday Sunday Sunday was incredible. I had an incredible line up, man,
Speaker 2: and it was a bunch of cl smooth, nice and smooth.
Speaker 2: It was a man I got a flyer, but my memory,
Speaker 2: but it was like twelve acts on it, even even
Speaker 2: Joe Skie Love Oh wow, yeah, yeah who I had
Speaker 2: on this Sparky d Yeah, sweet Tea.
Speaker 1: What's up with's moving?
Speaker 3: P rock Man?
Speaker 1: They can't get along. Well, I'm I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: you know that's between them.
Speaker 2: But I do know that I'm you know, family with
Speaker 2: both of them, and I always encourage them to get
Speaker 2: the people what they want because that's what it's about,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Anytime I see discord, you know,
Speaker 2: I know what that's about. You know, we donet been
Speaker 2: through it. I don't been through it. I've been in
Speaker 2: this game over thirty years, so I know how to go,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And the most important thing though,
Speaker 2: is not to destroy the brand, the legacy, because that's
Speaker 2: what the people want. Sure they'll enjoy you separately, but
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's really about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that original energy. You know what I'm saying. Do
Speaker 1: you recognize Flat Push anymore?
Speaker 3: Do me? You?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I recognize it. But I'm in awe of all the
Speaker 2: buildings they put up and the whole is out. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they got whole foods, but they got
Speaker 2: a whole foods look alike Flatbush and fall Time, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and they got a whole bunch of little eateries and shit,
Speaker 2: it's so many other ethnicities there. Sometimes I think it's
Speaker 2: police man, Like, what the funk going on? Is this
Speaker 2: an operation investigation?
Speaker 3: Because I used to go to Brooklyn around the eighties
Speaker 3: and and things like that, and I would never since that.
Speaker 3: It's a place called Dumbo in Brooklyn. Have you ever
Speaker 3: have you been to Dumbo?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dumbo is all under the Brooklyn Bridge. But that's
Speaker 2: man by the days, back in the days, that was abandoned.
Speaker 2: That was like really it was warehouses. We actually shot
Speaker 2: Crookling down there. Get the fun out of here, man.
Speaker 1: Crooklyn was shot in Dumbo.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 1: Oh, buck shot in Master.
Speaker 2: Ace was on the show in Coney Island, and we
Speaker 2: did Crookland absolutely shout out of the buck shot at Ace.
Speaker 2: See my memory. I'm getting old, but you know, I know,
Speaker 2: I know what we're doing. Oh yeah turned saint nor
Speaker 2: no man so because I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: But but Brooklyn is still Brooklyn though, like like you
Speaker 3: you still get it because like this is place in
Speaker 3: Dumbo and.
Speaker 2: I enjoy going to Dumble.
Speaker 1: All that is on the other.
Speaker 2: Side of the side.
Speaker 1: They still haven't given a proper.
Speaker 2: Attention to the rest of Flatbush, Brown Bill, East New York,
Speaker 2: Red Hook, even Coney Island.
Speaker 1: Like it's even though they fix up the park.
Speaker 3: In the beach and the second did a couple of
Speaker 3: things Coney Island as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean everybody's trying to do what they can
Speaker 2: for this for the town. It's just a matter of
Speaker 2: the city actually putting those dollars into our communities and
Speaker 2: not just where they gentrifying, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: that that's what's happening. And we gotta as a people
Speaker 2: understand how this works. We have to go to the
Speaker 2: city planning meetings and see what's happening. That's how they
Speaker 2: come in and moving by everybody out because they know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: That's exactly that's how it's going down. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thing the thing about that is you have
Speaker 2: to sample our record because if you try to get
Speaker 2: the original, you ain't you ain't gonna it ain't gonna
Speaker 2: sound like the sample because of how we processed it. Wow,
Speaker 2: it's an og production secret behind that.
Speaker 3: So no matter what if they try to go to
Speaker 3: the original, they still have to go to the.
Speaker 2: Original that y'all made, right, because the original, when you
Speaker 2: sample it, it ain't gonna have that picture or that
Speaker 2: tone or to it, it's gonna sound totally.
Speaker 3: Look, I just want you to look read the message.
Speaker 3: He just sends me this record out the blue and
Speaker 3: there's no look, just out the blue. That's the record
Speaker 3: right there. And I say, I say, crazy, crazy crazy,
Speaker 3: and interview specially add tomorrow it's good. Wow, we're dealing
Speaker 3: with we're dealing with natural and supernatural forces.
Speaker 1: Right that was?
Speaker 2: That was like I was like, cause I was like yo,
Speaker 2: And you.
Speaker 3: Know, usually I put out uh when I interview an artist,
Speaker 3: I'll say, you know, you got questions for him, but
Speaker 3: I didn't do that to this morning, so there's no
Speaker 3: way that he could understand that. I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: the snetic energy is working man. So so how many
Speaker 3: people have sampled that record?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I can't start the count. Wow, bunch like a dozen
Speaker 2: from R and B.
Speaker 1: To hip hop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of them is you know, unreleasing
Speaker 2: new artists that you might not hear, but you know
Speaker 2: they've had some that have gone a little bit and
Speaker 2: got a little airplay, a little buzz. But me personally,
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't touch that record because it's
Speaker 2: a classic, right, and I don't want to even you know,
Speaker 2: tarnish the reputation. You know what, you know, it's the
Speaker 2: killer though, the killer is the killer bought to that is.
Speaker 2: I recorded this song at fifteen years old.
Speaker 1: I wrote.
Speaker 2: You are Stupid before I wrote it prior to recording,
Speaker 2: So when I wrote that was probably between yeah, yeah, thirteen,
Speaker 2: fourteen years old.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: To describe the session, you go to Hobbie t Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he's already got to be playing.
Speaker 1: I got it made.
Speaker 2: Yes, I believe we went through the digging and the
Speaker 2: sampling because I heard the process. I heard of how
Speaker 2: he truncated it and chopped it and s now fifty, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna get y'all a little, a little Joels. You know,
Speaker 1: s now fifty got some tools on it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he went through that and chopped it up,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, that's hard. Oh and
Speaker 2: then what I started doing was piecing together my braggadocious
Speaker 2: round right.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because that was the style
Speaker 1: back right right right.
Speaker 2: Well, see, it was either gonna be a story or
Speaker 2: I'm a diss you, or I'm a talk shit, right,
Speaker 2: So I said I'm gonna talk shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got it made. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that record has outlived the test of time.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 3: Like I don't think there's no party in the world.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say America, but I don't think there's
Speaker 3: no party in the world that you can't put that on.
Speaker 1: And everyone knows that record.
Speaker 2: Well, well, you know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's about programming.
Speaker 2: So the same way they programming negativity, I was programming
Speaker 2: positivity and empowerment.
Speaker 1: I'm your idol, handled right.
Speaker 2: So when you say those words, you're empowering yourself. You
Speaker 2: manifested greatness, godliness. You feel me. So that's what that
Speaker 2: was really about, and that's why it resonates in my opinion,
Speaker 2: that's why I still resonate the way it do. And
Speaker 2: then in addition, I wasn't talking brand names and dating myself. Wow,
Speaker 2: you'll free no free advertising, y'all ain't free advertising?
Speaker 1: Okay, then I was not.
Speaker 2: I was never into that you feel me? And I
Speaker 2: was ghost writing too at that age. Like when I
Speaker 2: was fifteen years old, I go, so I wrote a
Speaker 2: record for the real rock sannes. Oh wow, right, and
Speaker 2: they never pay me. So I like, fuck ghost.
Speaker 1: Like you're rocking little your rocking kids records.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that Robin kids Man who
Speaker 3: was Select Record, wasn't that game?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Redmano owned it. But Chuck was on Select
Speaker 2: and I think was Utfo on Select. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but there was some a lot of There was a
Speaker 2: lot of artists. Yeah, he had a good catalogue. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He was just a fuck fucked
Speaker 2: up business man. You know what I'm saying now, It
Speaker 2: was you know, thank you for going to there. Now.
Speaker 1: It seems like.
Speaker 3: From the Melly Mail days, right, yeah, up until eighty
Speaker 3: nine's and then in the nineties, I would say to
Speaker 3: past ninety five, the record contracts got got better. What
Speaker 3: was these record contracts like when you when you.
Speaker 2: Guys, Well, they were trying to take everything and then
Speaker 2: they were to give up. Yeah, they was trying to
Speaker 2: take the publishing. And I was like, nah, they got
Speaker 2: it was oh yeah. I was explained by my lawyer
Speaker 2: because what happened is I read it for myself and
Speaker 2: then the lord young age you hell yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: hen Look. I read it for myself and what I
Speaker 2: did was I questioned certain things because it was assigning
Speaker 2: rights to people.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they ain't right. My shit, So why is
Speaker 1: they getting this?
Speaker 2: And then what I was told was that for the
Speaker 2: record deal, that's their interest is the publishing.
Speaker 1: So I had to give up half of it. You know, well,
Speaker 1: this is the thing.
Speaker 2: Now. The management I had at the time was trying
Speaker 2: to take the other half, and I was like, hold
Speaker 2: the fuck up. They ain't write my ship and why
Speaker 2: are they interested in my publishing? I was like, nah,
Speaker 2: what do I get if they get fifty and they
Speaker 2: get fifty or the fuck I'm left with?
Speaker 1: So I was like, nah, they dead on that. So
Speaker 1: I got my fifty and then the label got fifty.
Speaker 2: But as far as points, they was on, did they
Speaker 2: pay you for the that they took?
Speaker 1: No, they ain't paying me. It's part of the deal
Speaker 1: and whatever's coming in for it was part of the contract.
Speaker 2: This was fucked up. Yeah, it was fucked up worse.
Speaker 2: It was like Motown for hip hop you feel me?
Speaker 2: And then you know that was the terms. And the
Speaker 2: points was like twelve points or some shit over one
Speaker 2: hundred points out of the guns. Wow, so a point
Speaker 2: is a percent of y'all at trying to figure it out.
Speaker 2: So when they say point, they just fancy talk four
Speaker 2: percent and.
Speaker 3: I heard you say earlier, My bad for jumping around.
Speaker 3: You heard it say earlier. You say you've been in
Speaker 3: the game thirty years. Now over, it's these albums reverting
Speaker 3: back to you because we.
Speaker 2: Heard about to right now. Because I don't follow all
Speaker 2: my paperwork for the revers it thirty years.
Speaker 1: It's thirty five. I believe it. You just told us
Speaker 1: I've been hearing thirty five. I always heard it with thirty,
Speaker 1: so it changed.
Speaker 2: I just got to read read the laws. Okay, the
Speaker 2: copyright at thirty. You can begin the process, okay, all right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can begin the process and start filing your paperwork
Speaker 2: and sending your letters out. So I did that like
Speaker 2: three four, five times. I'm making sure I get my ship.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So so what happens if you get your back? Oh,
Speaker 1: I get all my ship back.
Speaker 3: And then you can you you you take these albums
Speaker 3: and then you essentially put them out.
Speaker 1: How does how does that work?
Speaker 2: You own all the rights to it, all the publishing rights,
Speaker 2: all the mechanical rights, and you are able to now
Speaker 2: have ownership of your material.
Speaker 3: You could now at wants to do a deal with you,
Speaker 3: like to put it. You would be the licensing right
Speaker 3: and right now.
Speaker 2: I still get paid fifty percent, but they do the
Speaker 2: admin and then do that, so you don't know how
Speaker 2: to shake them up for my ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I just finished shaking them up for my
Speaker 3: ship for real. But what do you mean like what
Speaker 3: they had the weight hand? Can they're holding his money?
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people sample, but the money
Speaker 2: come from different places. So I get my money from Sony,
Speaker 2: but then profile still got an interest in it, and
Speaker 2: I gotta go be like, Yo, where my bread?
Speaker 1: Bro? You know what I'm saying, And then they send
Speaker 1: me some bread, right goddamn it, man, goddamn.
Speaker 2: I had to learn patients though, because I wasn't that
Speaker 2: patient back in the days. Man, it was really about
Speaker 2: to go down. They sold out their back as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah men, yeah, well time Tom all.
Speaker 1: Okay ship shit he said time? Yeah you said, Tom,
Speaker 1: Well not.
Speaker 2: That time. They are up to their thirty something rights
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: They had to fight for it.
Speaker 3: Was the time was I believe I believe their deal
Speaker 3: was messed up. I believe they explained it that time,
Speaker 3: because I believe they split. They split that twenty five
Speaker 3: percent that was left of they publishing. I believe I
Speaker 3: might be misquoting them and they split that twenty five
Speaker 3: amongst themselves.
Speaker 1: So that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that the label's interest is your publishing, so
Speaker 2: they tried to take as much as they can and
Speaker 2: then whatever it's left, you have to split as a group.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And I was a solo artist,
Speaker 2: so you know what I'm saying. But yeah, damn so how.
Speaker 3: About and you said how we tea produced that whole album?
Speaker 3: Absolutely so did how we team make out good?
Speaker 2: Or yeah, how we making out good?
Speaker 1: We tee you all right?
Speaker 2: And he split publishing too, okay, okay, and that's how
Speaker 2: go oh he has to producer portion?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah god that You artists gotta listen to this
Speaker 3: ship because it is real.
Speaker 2: Man, And they've been taking advantage of artists for years
Speaker 2: because there were no standardizations, there were no rules.
Speaker 1: Whatever the whatever you signed for is what the deal
Speaker 1: is then.
Speaker 2: But as time progress and we start knowing our worth,
Speaker 2: just like with the shows before, we getting whatever the performing.
Speaker 2: Now they getting a million dollars to perform, feel me
Speaker 2: half a million dollars a million dollars to fifty one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. They getting real numbers to.
Speaker 3: Perform, right, Yeah, definitely, yeah, to get it out. So
Speaker 3: let me let me ask you, how did it feel? Man?
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I'm forty five years old, I'll
Speaker 3: be forty six September. But me watching this and me
Speaker 3: seeing these records, like, how did it feel back then to.
Speaker 2: Be the man?
Speaker 3: Back then?
Speaker 1: Hip hop really madtered?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 2: But I was always grounded because I knew what entertainment
Speaker 2: was and what it consisted of. Man, And I never
Speaker 2: let that shit get to me in that way, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And I was never one of them,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the bandwagon type people. I never
Speaker 2: followed other entities and other racial identities down those roads,
Speaker 2: like I ain't let nobody lead me in, you know,
Speaker 2: because I was already being abused since the beginning. So
Speaker 2: I was watching everybody like the fuck away from me.
Speaker 2: And it's that situation. So I kept I kept a
Speaker 2: real perspective on everything. I knew what media and marketing
Speaker 2: and all that was, and I knew what it made you.
Speaker 2: I knew how the people reacted to you. But I
Speaker 2: was still on the ground, looking at everything from a
Speaker 2: ground view, But.
Speaker 3: It had to because you know, right now, my person
Speaker 3: couldn't continue to take a record and they throw it
Speaker 3: out in Japan tomorrow. But back then you had to
Speaker 3: actually go market to market to market, and you having
Speaker 3: one of the most powerful records in the universe.
Speaker 1: How did it feel going to your.
Speaker 3: First time the Philly or your first time to Delaware
Speaker 3: because at the time it was just New York. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you hot in New York, you hot in the world.
Speaker 3: But then you had to travel to these places, right,
Speaker 3: How did it feel like going to these places and
Speaker 3: they know who you are?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: It felt great, man, especially when you on stage and
Speaker 2: they singing the songs with you. That's a feeling you
Speaker 2: can't you know what I mean, You damn you know. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm about to give y'all a mic.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: So it's one of those feelings. It's just still knowing
Speaker 2: the other end in the back end. You know, you
Speaker 2: can't abuse your power, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: that's what a lot of people go too far. They
Speaker 2: abuse their power, and you know they don't they don't
Speaker 2: respect the game. They just run, I mean until they
Speaker 2: fall and break their fucking ankle, right, so let.
Speaker 3: Me now, it's admission not a small time thing. That
Speaker 3: video was like the first time I seen a theatrical Yeah,
Speaker 3: and and in in videography cinema, like you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like in black cinema, like like like it
Speaker 3: was like a movie to.
Speaker 1: Me watching that that then and I see that that that.
Speaker 3: Video to me Birth like the Biggie Smalls videos where
Speaker 3: he's like, you know what I mean, like like the
Speaker 3: movie style videos.
Speaker 2: Was that something you planned on doing?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I think that stemmed from think About It.
Speaker 2: They Think About It, had the hovercraft, the helicopters, and
Speaker 2: then it went into the mission where that was another story.
Speaker 1: It was chases and all kind of stuff going on.
Speaker 2: Karate fight yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think it
Speaker 2: just went into that direction. But Cheacob Bruce, a female director,
Speaker 2: is the one that Birth and came up with the
Speaker 2: whole treatments and the video for Think About It. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: And that's the one where you know we went on
Speaker 2: the whole chase and it was actually the whole theme
Speaker 2: of it was Bud mcmilman. He probably did in Peace,
Speaker 2: but the old man, the old dude, he was like
Speaker 2: the symbolism of the hierarchy of the industry, and he
Speaker 2: was kind of trying to destroy my career in the
Speaker 2: video this is it is about. And so he sent
Speaker 2: these henchmen, which was two black dudes to chase and
Speaker 2: ruined my career, feel me. So that's what it was about,
Speaker 2: about the white man hiring two black men to go
Speaker 2: ruin my career, feel me. And they started chasing me
Speaker 2: through the streets on boats, on hovercrafts, on helicopters.
Speaker 1: All the ruined me. So that was the storyline.
Speaker 2: But it birthed that type of dramatic scenery and the
Speaker 2: whole theatrical elements, and yeah, you know, everybody started getting
Speaker 2: real theatrical with their videos.
Speaker 1: I feel like you birthed that.
Speaker 3: I feel like those two videos, like you said, think
Speaker 3: about it, and and the fact that those budgets were
Speaker 3: open for I forgot. It was like to be continue,
Speaker 3: wasn't it. I'd like to be continue. I feel like
Speaker 3: you grated that well cheek of Bruce Man.
Speaker 2: I gotta give it up because at that time, once again,
Speaker 2: I didn't come up with the treatment I was. I
Speaker 2: was sixteen that by then, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I never shot a video or directed or produced
Speaker 2: a video on my life. So all the praises do
Speaker 2: the cheek of Bruce a female director.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 3: How come him when they were sixteen? They were so
Speaker 3: bright and he's sixteen year olds fucking high?
Speaker 2: Well, what happened is because back then we was actually
Speaker 2: going through a struggle and it was actually real economic
Speaker 2: hardships that we had to overcome. I could see him
Speaker 2: being from Queen's Bridge, queen Bridge still fucked up.
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: And me coming from Brooklyn. We're trying to find a
Speaker 2: way out of the debts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We're trying to find a way out of poverty and
Speaker 2: not jumping into poverty and then having the resort to
Speaker 2: doing wherever youbody else in the street doing robbing people,
Speaker 2: selling drugs, going to jail. You know what I'm saying, dying?
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: So it was for me just trying to find a
Speaker 2: reasonable solution where I ain't got to watch my back.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Well, I still got to
Speaker 2: watch my back, but not in a negative way where
Speaker 2: I've done somebody some wrong.
Speaker 3: Feel me.
Speaker 2: I'm not out there doing crime, selling drugs, looking for
Speaker 2: the police.
Speaker 1: I don't give two fucks about the police. Ain't nothing
Speaker 1: on me. But what examples did you have at that
Speaker 1: age that At that age.
Speaker 2: The examples were everybody dying and going into you just
Speaker 2: didn't want to do that exactly.
Speaker 1: I was not going in that direction, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it was easy. It was easy to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was access to everything.
Speaker 2: We had opportunity, but me knowing better and having four
Speaker 2: older brothers to learn from as well, because they all
Speaker 2: went through those pitfalls, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I'm not doing that. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to jail, I'm not going to die.
Speaker 2: I'm not standing out here on the streets selling drugs,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And to me, that wasn't
Speaker 2: enough money because when once you re up, you left
Speaker 2: with a couple of dollars, you're gonna buy sneakers like
Speaker 2: I wasn't with that. I need real money, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I ain't working for nobody. I
Speaker 2: ain't working for them. I ain't working for nobody think
Speaker 2: they're gonna work me or rule me. Ain't nobody ruling me,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel me ain't no man above me
Speaker 2: on this earth period. And that's how I feel about
Speaker 2: it all, you know what I'm saying. So I found
Speaker 2: my own way and my own path to do it intelligently.
Speaker 2: I felt like I'm smart enough and intelligent enough to
Speaker 2: get it like anybody else.
Speaker 1: Goddamn. Now, how did you get the name special AD?
Speaker 2: Was you in special AD?
Speaker 3: Nah? Man? Because I was a special and resource room
Speaker 3: and I probably amen.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, how that go? How that go is?
Speaker 1: Obviously my name is ed.
Speaker 2: But my man e Dot came to me, he got
Speaker 2: from Flatbush, and he was like, Yo, you should call
Speaker 2: yourself special LED. I had a personality you feel me.
Speaker 2: I wasn't in Special LED, but I had a personality
Speaker 2: like a motherfucker. And at the end of the day
Speaker 2: after he said that, I thought about it, and I
Speaker 2: could have took it two.
Speaker 1: Ways, but I was like, nah, this is my bro.
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna be town.
Speaker 2: Special education was frowned upon.
Speaker 1: It was frown upon. But I thought about that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, fuck that?
Speaker 2: Because for one, I can change the dynamics of how
Speaker 2: it's perceived, and for two, I'm gonna teach y'all.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker something, and for three, my.
Speaker 2: Name ed and I'm special, So it was way too
Speaker 2: many reasons why I should as opposed to watch. I'm
Speaker 2: just fuck what class y'all think, I'm in whatever, whatever,
Speaker 2: y'all gonna know how intelligent I am when y'all hear
Speaker 2: this shit or when I speak.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't really worried about that. And I think
Speaker 1: that whole special.
Speaker 2: Led thing is just you know, their way of saying,
Speaker 2: we don't know how to deal with that's all. We
Speaker 2: don't know how to deal with this because some ain't
Speaker 2: nothing wrong, ain't nothing wrong with you. It's just a
Speaker 2: matter of not being the common every day motherfucker that
Speaker 2: they can deal with the behavior. But I know they
Speaker 2: was lying.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's what you say.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they want to railroad you because you got a
Speaker 2: brain and you got a voice, and you have an opinion.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's it's how they
Speaker 3: set you back. When I want to bet award, we
Speaker 3: wanted to bet award. I grab my thing and I
Speaker 3: was like, everyone, there's a special education. My DMS lit
Speaker 3: up from all the special education teachers.
Speaker 2: It was like use speech. I was like, I think
Speaker 2: it's just part of that, you know, it's part of that,
Speaker 2: like the School of Prison pipe right right for basically
Speaker 2: what it what it is, It's part of the School
Speaker 2: of Prison pipeline. Other than there are some kids with
Speaker 2: special needs and don't have you know, don't have it
Speaker 2: together where they need that extra attention. But half of
Speaker 2: the kids is just they don't give a fuck. They're like,
Speaker 2: y'all talking to me crazy shit like that. You know
Speaker 2: you ain't dealing with that. I feel you, And that's
Speaker 2: why I took the name. I was like, you know
Speaker 2: what fuck that I'm special at so what that's right? Goddamnit,
Speaker 2: I'm taking.
Speaker 5: So look, you're still really young coming out of the
Speaker 5: gate Lyrically something is inspiring your or is it really
Speaker 5: just coming out of your own ether?
Speaker 2: Well, like I was inspired by Yeah, I was inspired
Speaker 2: by the Ogs, like I said, Jimmy Spicer for one,
Speaker 2: because Jimmy Spicer put out a fifteen minute record with
Speaker 2: like ten stories in it.
Speaker 3: And because you definitely come from a special ad of storytelling.
Speaker 2: Storytelling, so he inspired me on the storytelling special my
Speaker 2: bad because he told stories about Dracula, about different and shit,
Speaker 2: and it was right creative. It wasn't just like some
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't boring. It was humorous, it was creative,
Speaker 2: and that inspired me. And then I listened to shit
Speaker 2: like you know, Mellie Mel Curious five and the message
Speaker 2: that inspired me, Howie t CD three Get Tough, that
Speaker 2: inspired me. So it was the content that inspired me
Speaker 2: more so. And I was like, damn, I gotta be
Speaker 2: saying something. I got to amuse you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: confuse and all that. I gotta tell a story, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like even the mission that wasn't
Speaker 2: the original story that was now. I had an original
Speaker 2: story that I submitted, but it was too hardcore, so
Speaker 2: they made me do it over and then I had
Speaker 2: to do the song over and that's where the mission
Speaker 2: that we all know came from.
Speaker 3: You know, that's a very interesting question because a lot
Speaker 3: of people should say back then that the record labels
Speaker 3: had more of a control over the music.
Speaker 1: Was it like that back then?
Speaker 2: Like, well, it was they there wasn't a bunch of
Speaker 2: explicit records like this. Now you could say anything because
Speaker 2: there's no label control at all. And then the labels, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, came up with their agenda later, but back
Speaker 2: then in the early eighties, they definitely didn't want They
Speaker 2: wanted songs that could play on the radio. They wanted
Speaker 2: songs that they could sell openly. They didn't want a
Speaker 2: bunch of hardcore ship. So really, until n w A
Speaker 2: came out, they had a certain level of discretion. But
Speaker 2: what what what?
Speaker 3: Because you came out of eighty nine, correct, yeah, eighty nine,
Speaker 3: So then what what what? What?
Speaker 2: W came eight nine and I think the single, the
Speaker 2: single was eighty eight, the album was eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the single the police knowing no, it
Speaker 1: was my single, I got it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then n w A came out and they ship
Speaker 2: was hardcore, and I was like, see they could say
Speaker 2: what they want, right, but the label didn't want to
Speaker 2: market me in that way. And I had I had
Speaker 2: hard ship, like I was a battle rapper on the street,
Speaker 2: so that's what I did, and they didn't want that.
Speaker 1: They wanted commercial belt. Yeah, making belt.
Speaker 2: I had a few. I had a future making belt
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, everything the ratchet to Ratchet and the switch
Speaker 2: blade in.
Speaker 1: The belt yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Flat was a wild hell yeah yeah, Flatbush myself yeah
Speaker 2: for real, and he Hall was I'm gonna tell the truth.
Speaker 2: He Hall was like one of the worst schools in
Speaker 2: the city, especially when I got in there, Like they
Speaker 2: had big ass gaping holes.
Speaker 1: In the walls on the hallway and the boards. It
Speaker 1: was like, you motherfuckers, what you're doing here?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Serious, So we had to deal with that, and it
Speaker 2: was But when you in it and you that young
Speaker 2: and you feel this, it ain't nothing. But thinking back
Speaker 2: as an adult now, I'm like, come on, y'all had
Speaker 2: a budget cleaning ship up back then. Yeah, me and
Speaker 2: Buster Rhymes went to elementary school together, the school like
Speaker 2: this is and Walt Whitman Junior High School especially as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we definitely went to school together, came up together,
Speaker 2: and you know, and and Rampage lived across the street
Speaker 2: from the school too, and he was a little younger,
Speaker 2: he like a year or two younger than us, But
Speaker 2: Rampage two came up in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Did that help the native tongue affiliation because Buster was
Speaker 3: considered native tongue, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably so. I don't know, though, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: they had their own vibe with the leaders of the
Speaker 2: new school. I think Chuck bred them. Chuck d shout
Speaker 2: out to Chuck d. He bred the leaders of the
Speaker 2: New School. I think came up with the whole group.
Speaker 2: He named name the group right in the group. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and the busters from around my way. What happened is
Speaker 2: he moved to Long Island and then that's when he
Speaker 2: started rapping and came back and you know, back to
Speaker 2: the hood. Yeah right, you ever throw hip hop VI
Speaker 2: this far? Man, not this far, but this is billions
Speaker 2: of dollars later. I knew it was something though, because
Speaker 2: of the energy that it had and the way it
Speaker 2: brought everybody together. Because even just to be honest, hip
Speaker 2: hop brought everybody together Black people, Hispanic people, white people,
Speaker 2: all people through hip hop, and that was the one
Speaker 2: thing that could do that. Like not many things was
Speaker 2: bringing people together that way, aside for money, but hip hop,
Speaker 2: just the music and the vibration, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: united people. So I knew it was very strong. But
Speaker 2: until I saw when I saw a run DMC, I
Speaker 2: knew there was a plan. I knew something was gonna
Speaker 2: pop because it had a frenzy. It just like it
Speaker 2: took it to TV. They was a helicopters, they had
Speaker 2: the big chains, they was doing Madison Square Garden. I
Speaker 2: wanted to be on the Fresh Veest. I was rapping then.
Speaker 1: I guess I was too.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, I appreciate run DMC, but I
Speaker 3: couldn't really like I mean, they kind of hushered in
Speaker 3: that global the glow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know movement of hip hop. Yes, of course
Speaker 1: Bambada and then were doing it before, but I feel
Speaker 1: like run DMC took it. They took it to the
Speaker 1: next level commercially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that and that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I was eager to sign with Profile Records because that
Speaker 2: was the label that's signed to. We were on the
Speaker 2: same label, and when I was like Profile, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's right. They could do for me what they did
Speaker 2: for run DMC. So that's why I jumped on it.
Speaker 3: I was like, hell yeah, but you know, me going
Speaker 3: through your music and me listening, Yo, you sound like
Speaker 3: absolutely nobody.
Speaker 1: How come you was a hot m C back back
Speaker 1: then and still is?
Speaker 3: But right right now, I can listen to fifteen people
Speaker 3: that's out all. I can't even that's right now though,
Speaker 3: that's right now that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you blindfold me, I'm like that's him.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him.
Speaker 3: Like right now, I can listen to your voice, I
Speaker 3: can listen to this great voice. I can listen to EPMD.
Speaker 3: I will not say that they sound like anybody. How
Speaker 3: come it was like that back then? And how come
Speaker 3: it's not like that now?
Speaker 2: Because we all wanted to be original, we wanted to
Speaker 2: own identities. Now it's a bandwagon effect. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this sold a million records, let me make a copy cat. Yes,
Speaker 2: So it's really about cloning right and making it a
Speaker 2: commodity that makes money. The industry doesn't care about the culture.
Speaker 2: They just like this works, okay, keep going right going,
Speaker 2: and they keep pushing out the same shit back to back.
Speaker 3: Right, what happens to this artist? Because I remember La Red.
Speaker 3: I remember me going to see La Reed, right, me
Speaker 3: picking a single off of my album, Me saying yo,
Speaker 3: I wanted to go with this album, and La Reed
Speaker 3: saying I think you should go with this Automatically, I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, cool, let me go with him. Because if
Speaker 3: I make a mistake, then then it's your miss then
Speaker 3: it's my mistake. He makes a mistake, where's the artist
Speaker 3: that stand up to that.
Speaker 2: Well, the independent artist now they put out whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck they want. However, with a train air and the
Speaker 2: understanding of the way, you know, radio plays and marketing goals,
Speaker 2: you got to have something that is listenable, that is
Speaker 2: digestible to the audience, and something that you could play
Speaker 2: like you want something you could play on a soul
Speaker 2: train or you can play on television and it's not risky,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's not destructive. But now destructive is
Speaker 2: selling all day, that's what they's selling.
Speaker 1: Are you listening to any new music now?
Speaker 3: Be honest, I barely listen to music. Brokay, Okay, he's
Speaker 3: kind of new.
Speaker 1: I mean't.
Speaker 2: I don't listen to any particular artists. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 2: it real. I don't have nobody album. I don't google
Speaker 2: nobody name. What I might do is put on like
Speaker 2: my R and B shit like I like, if I
Speaker 2: could listen to something that calmed me down.
Speaker 1: That's what I listened to.
Speaker 2: You taking your girl to show my wife?
Speaker 1: Nah, I ain't taking. No. I don't the concerts unless
Speaker 1: I'm in them. No, I said, you're just mad niggas wiggas.
Speaker 2: Serena.
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know what happened.
Speaker 2: But I don't go.
Speaker 1: I don't go to concerts. I'm sorry. I don't go
Speaker 1: to concerts.
Speaker 2: I don't go nowhere. I'm not getting paid.
Speaker 1: I's just doing ure is going.
Speaker 2: He's performing.
Speaker 3: Whoever is like girls in the ground, He's going to
Speaker 3: them and singing to them.
Speaker 2: You got it, you got it bad. See well, he's
Speaker 2: an R and B crewner. I know usher since he
Speaker 2: was a child.
Speaker 1: Damn it.
Speaker 2: His mama introduced me to him when he was a child,
Speaker 2: goddamn it. So you know, I wish him all the
Speaker 2: success in the world. Whatever tactics he feels he needs
Speaker 2: to use to make money and stay famous. Oh he's
Speaker 2: doing it more power tool.
Speaker 1: I just meant for me.
Speaker 2: I don't go to any concert that I'm not a
Speaker 2: part of or getting paid. Sometimes, however, I may have
Speaker 2: good friends that are performing, and I might go, like
Speaker 2: I went to a New Addition concert just to see them.
Speaker 1: I fucks with them. That's not people. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: If we need you up here, but you ain't going
Speaker 3: to the Drake concert.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what. When I was in New Orleans
Speaker 2: one time I went to a Drake concert with some
Speaker 2: friends just on the random, really, but it was just
Speaker 2: me falling in because that's what they was doing. But
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't really go to concerts like
Speaker 2: that too often at all.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't look for it it, don't you know. I
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing to do with me. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I go with it, I go away.
Speaker 1: I'm picking up that back in. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If I'm throwing the concert, as in the case with
Speaker 2: the City Parks and my concert, I got one coming
Speaker 2: up Sunday, you know what I'm saying, shout outs to
Speaker 2: the violators. Rest in peace, baby, Chris. I'm doing this
Speaker 2: for y'all. Man, I'm doing this for Red Alert. And
Speaker 2: that's pretty much it. Man, that's a concert.
Speaker 3: Let me let me do recommend two concerts for you
Speaker 3: would like to attend. I didn't see the fifty and Buster,
Speaker 3: and I believe Jeremiah I was on that tour. I
Speaker 3: didn't see it wasn't physically there, but I last stream
Speaker 3: it every fucking night. It's fucking awesome. But I went
Speaker 3: to the nas and the Wu Tang Joint, and I
Speaker 3: kid you not, I.
Speaker 2: Went to one of those when the game, the Charlotte
Speaker 2: my Man, my Man divined com. He was like, yo,
Speaker 2: we and Charlotte he just hit me today him out
Speaker 2: there and Arlot Yeah yeah yeah. So basically that's it, man,
Speaker 2: they got to invite me, right if they don't, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not paying attentions. I write myself though,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I pulled up on them and it was.
Speaker 3: So dope because you know, when you get to see
Speaker 3: these groups like that, like NAS and Wu Tang, you
Speaker 3: would think that NAS will come out and perform and
Speaker 3: the Wan will come out and the form and the
Speaker 3: Wan come. No, they actually did it like as as,
Speaker 3: like like NAS does five songs and they come out
Speaker 3: and it's like I was like a mixtape on stage
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, l roots that pretty.
Speaker 2: It's pretty dope to yeah, yeah, yeah, well they got
Speaker 2: that from us, the alumni. We've been doing that for
Speaker 2: ten years old, myself, Chub Rock, Dame to Dane Kwame,
Speaker 2: Money Love and Greg Nice. We've been performing together like
Speaker 2: one group for ten years the fuck because so that's.
Speaker 1: Where they got that.
Speaker 2: Who's the people going to say again? Special Led Chuck Rock, Dana,
Speaker 2: Dane Money love mo Ma, Greg Nice Nice.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We all classic iconic hip hop artists and we've been
Speaker 2: doing that shit over ten years. So when they say, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're doing this and doing that year, we did that
Speaker 2: ship already. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're welcome, man, Thank you and your welf. It's
Speaker 1: an honor to be honored. What do you think about
Speaker 1: hip Hop fifty? Hip Hop fifty is it's appropriation.
Speaker 2: It's appropriation because what they're doing now is they putting
Speaker 2: together these great lineups and then they're gonna overcharge the public.
Speaker 2: See the concerts I'm doing for the fifty is free
Speaker 2: to the public. It's free for the people. I'm doing
Speaker 2: it with the city. I'm doing it where the people
Speaker 2: could pull.
Speaker 1: Up for free. I ain't overcharging for a ticket. How
Speaker 1: do you get paid that? How do you make the city?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: And I pay the artists? No, but see I pay
Speaker 2: the artists. Let's get that straight. I ain't saying I'm
Speaker 2: saying I pay all My artists get paid period. That's
Speaker 2: how I operate. I've been a booking agent for overd
Speaker 2: for like twenty years now. I provide income opportunities for
Speaker 2: all artists.
Speaker 3: Let me stop you for one second. You know what
Speaker 3: I always said, memes. What's the names? M No, not
Speaker 3: nims men, memes, your boy with the drags, memes. He
Speaker 3: booked us one time. Oh damn name artists, artists. When
Speaker 3: he booked me, he did everything everything as an artist
Speaker 3: would do us. Usher booked me. He did everything like,
Speaker 3: I didn't ask for nothing. Artists know how the Book
Speaker 3: of the Artists, right, we know how to treat other artists.
Speaker 2: So I got that from Prince booked me before Rest
Speaker 2: of Peace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta tell us this. Yeah, he had a club.
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna just say that.
Speaker 1: It's just like go, okay, okay, so hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3: Time you chilling in the crib and somebody say, Prince
Speaker 3: want to book you for a show.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't even know until the gig was going
Speaker 2: on and they said, oh, you know that's Prince's club.
Speaker 2: It was in that GLAMs Yeah. Yeah, glam Slam was
Speaker 2: in LA back in the days. L Yeah, we did
Speaker 2: the one. We did the one in l A, I
Speaker 2: believe it was.
Speaker 4: And yo.
Speaker 1: I respected that.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh ship, Prince got a clumb and
Speaker 2: then he booked me and then the other person is
Speaker 2: uncle Luke.
Speaker 1: So Luke Luther Camp but what o g.
Speaker 2: So so back in the days they had like the
Speaker 2: Goomba Festival and all that, Yeah, goom bab Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: jamaic it yeah. So so so Luke booked me for
Speaker 2: that and it was like, I was like, man, you
Speaker 2: you are artist yourself. So when I saw Luke do
Speaker 2: that and then Prince did that, it put me in
Speaker 2: the mind frame of oh, I could provide opportunities for
Speaker 2: other artists. So that's how that came to be. And
Speaker 2: I just started booking all. I booked everybody. I booked
Speaker 2: nas before. Yeah, I booked everybody, Lil Kim, Rock Kim,
Speaker 2: every Kim.
Speaker 1: I don't what made you start doing that?
Speaker 2: Well, just like I said, booked me, Prince booked me,
Speaker 2: and I respected that and I thought that that was
Speaker 2: cool that an artist would had a mindset to provide
Speaker 2: opportunities for other artists. So that's what I do. I
Speaker 2: provide income opportunities for other artists. I've been booking, That's
Speaker 2: what I do.
Speaker 1: Did you get to meet Prince? Yeah, I got to
Speaker 1: meet him that night in the plug Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did it taste like did it feel like velvet, he said, taste,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a long time ago, but yeah, we greeted
Speaker 2: each other and and I was honored just to be
Speaker 2: able to get booked by him in his club because
Speaker 2: I was a fan period.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, He's an icon to me.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, He's not even in the
Speaker 2: rap game, but he booked me as a young rap artist.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Yo, that ship like enlighten me
Speaker 2: and just just showed me that, oh, you could do
Speaker 2: other things, you could provide you know, I provided income
Speaker 2: opportunity for everybody, man, trust me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It was ill about Prince, Like he was so ahead
Speaker 3: of his time that I heard that so many artists
Speaker 3: used to come up to him and try to sample
Speaker 3: his music, and.
Speaker 1: He would tell them go own your masters first.
Speaker 3: And at the time, artists was like, were we were
Speaker 3: so happy of getting our advents? He were so happy
Speaker 3: to traveling to Japan and they said.
Speaker 2: Oh we holding long times.
Speaker 3: Did y'all really say that?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Really like and meanwhile, but meanwhile, he was really like
Speaker 3: the first person that was owning this advocating like even
Speaker 3: even even when he changed his things to the slave
Speaker 3: thing like that because they owned his things, Like I
Speaker 3: didn't even realize that. So I had to change my
Speaker 3: name from Norriega to Norway at one point I had
Speaker 3: to change it because they had invested their component in Norriega,
Speaker 3: so they had owned that.
Speaker 1: So it was like it was crazy. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was business.
Speaker 2: He taught a lot of business lessons and advanced a
Speaker 2: lot of artists understanding of ownership in the music.
Speaker 1: Business man shout out to princeman Peace. Did you get
Speaker 1: a chance to man think like something like that or No?
Speaker 1: It was just like not just meeting him through that event,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I hadn't come across him too many times other than that.
Speaker 2: Did you meet with Donna before Donna? Madonna?
Speaker 1: Madonna?
Speaker 4: Nah?
Speaker 2: I hadn't met like I can feel like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't a chaser, like I ain't. I
Speaker 2: ain't fuck with people just because they did this or
Speaker 2: did that. There had to be situations where, you know,
Speaker 2: we we were together organically, you know, we met organically
Speaker 2: ship like that.
Speaker 1: Because I see you got to ring on your finger?
Speaker 1: How long I just got married last year?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Way for this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you was knocking down
Speaker 1: a lot of things.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: Man, it's been out.
Speaker 1: It's been from fifteen. I'm fifty one now, so it's
Speaker 1: been a while.
Speaker 2: Man, I've been you know.
Speaker 1: And it's a thing in all community. When you got good,
Speaker 1: you get some good pussy. Well see, yeah, that's absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we got We gotta also understand, though, even
Speaker 2: though we as a culture glorify that, we have to
Speaker 2: understand who we are as men and as spiritual beings
Speaker 2: and learn how to control ourselves that period and master
Speaker 2: that because a lot of times I look back from
Speaker 2: the age of sixteen when the record came out until now, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was very wild, but I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of that was also abuse, not just from them, but
Speaker 2: me on my end, abusing myself like a lot of them.
Speaker 2: I ain't had to be with a lot of them people,
Speaker 2: a lot of them didn't deserve.
Speaker 1: To be with me me absolutely.
Speaker 2: So you have to understand your value and your worth
Speaker 2: and you can and it's be giving yourself out to
Speaker 2: any of everybody.
Speaker 1: Man, You draining your energy, you draining your spirit.
Speaker 2: No, seriously, though, man, we just gotta be more serious
Speaker 2: about ourselves and our self worth. You feel me, because
Speaker 2: I look back in a lot of people, I'd be like, damn,
Speaker 2: fun was I doing?
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: So it's just about realizing that and not just glorifying
Speaker 2: sluty ratchet behavior.
Speaker 3: Where was your favorite place to perform?
Speaker 1: My favorite place? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, anyway they paying me, that's my favorite place to perform.
Speaker 2: Where our money?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's there?
Speaker 3: A lot of promo going on back then, because let
Speaker 3: me let me lie is, let me tell you, let
Speaker 3: me tell you what I radio. I remember for years, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would have to drop an album and I would
Speaker 3: have to go state to state, go to the morning shows.
Speaker 1: That's going to make my promo.
Speaker 3: Go to the morning shows, Go to the retail you
Speaker 3: go to the marketing stores, go to the Wiz, the
Speaker 3: Sam Goodies. I know I'm old school saying the Wiz
Speaker 3: the Sam Goodie. I know they're not open no more,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying to get people.
Speaker 1: We did some of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I remember for the first five years of
Speaker 3: my career, I wouldn't they would call it promo. I
Speaker 3: would not get paid. But what I would notice was
Speaker 3: like the street team people were getting paid. Everyone else
Speaker 3: was getting paid. But besides the artists. Well they say
Speaker 3: it was to sell your record. I ain't really do
Speaker 3: too much of that free ship. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: I went to a few retail spots.
Speaker 2: I did some in stores, but as far as performances,
Speaker 2: very few free performances.
Speaker 1: Fuck that.
Speaker 2: Even back then, even back then, you knew you don't
Speaker 2: pay me, damn, because y'all getting paid. Everybody getting paid
Speaker 2: to pay me to I did some radio station shows
Speaker 2: that were favorable and less than I would normally get,
Speaker 2: But that was for the station, for the spens, Yes,
Speaker 2: for the relationship really, because it ain't directly for no
Speaker 2: certain amount of spends. But you gain that rapport and
Speaker 2: that favorable you know, that favoritism from the station.
Speaker 3: You know, I was fucked up when I would do
Speaker 3: I would do free radio shows, and then I would
Speaker 3: see like an artist just a little bit bigger than
Speaker 3: me going and collecting the check, and I'm like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck am I doing here?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, Like I went needed
Speaker 2: to do that at that time, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Especially starting out, they expect that of you. But see
Speaker 2: my record flew off the shelf. It was all over
Speaker 2: the country, all over the world. So that was the promo.
Speaker 2: So when I pop up, Now, yeah I did some
Speaker 2: radio station shows, but they still had to cover my
Speaker 2: expenses compensate me somewhat.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just like all free. They wasn't dragging me
Speaker 2: around like no puppy or some shit.
Speaker 1: You feel me. Yeah, now we don't do that nah
Speaker 1: man oh.
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, holy shit, I'm just thinking of that times
Speaker 3: because like you got to go, you got to sell
Speaker 3: records where person have to pick your cassette, have to
Speaker 3: pick up your CD.
Speaker 1: Like I don't believe these streams.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Like like this this kids out there with
Speaker 3: forty million streams and I don't know noting one person
Speaker 3: that know one of their words, right, and they got
Speaker 3: forty million streams.
Speaker 2: It's automated. It's automated. Is they buy a lot of
Speaker 2: that ship. And at the end of the day they
Speaker 2: made up besides the box, they made up a whole
Speaker 2: pay structure out of fucking thin there.
Speaker 1: Like we ain't got nothing to do with that. We
Speaker 1: we didn't agree that, we didn't sign Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: sign off on nothing saying that we're okay with that.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: They just decided that this is what we're gonna pay,
Speaker 2: and it's like a fraction of a penny like came out.
Speaker 2: Yes the radio, everybody I know, even Dresses is on
Speaker 2: one about that. We all on well really, but they're
Speaker 2: actually taking action, you know, And I would love to
Speaker 2: be a part of any action because I ain't agreed
Speaker 2: to none of that shit neither.
Speaker 3: You know, Chuck d sue the whole He sued the
Speaker 3: whole universal on behalf of us, and he won.
Speaker 1: Good, he won, right, I believe, so, yeah, he won.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I believe he only took his portion
Speaker 3: on what he felt he was old. Yes, class action lawsuit.
Speaker 3: I just can't believe like how bad it was. I
Speaker 3: don't want to say bad because it did save.
Speaker 2: It's bad right now because they getting ripped off for
Speaker 2: this streaming shit.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Yeah, you're terrible.
Speaker 2: Like if you made your own platform and collected your
Speaker 2: own earnings off of your intellectual property, it would be
Speaker 2: much more than you getting from these Spotify and all
Speaker 2: this shit going on right now. And I don't even
Speaker 2: like name dropping fuck that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But any of these services, they're not paying you what
Speaker 2: you weigh. They paying you what they feel like you weigh,
Speaker 2: you feel me, So that's still unfair practice. So even
Speaker 2: though these new artists feel like, yeah, eighty millions dreams
Speaker 2: and shit, yeah, but you're getting peanuts for it, you
Speaker 2: should be getting eighty million dollars for your shit, you
Speaker 2: feel me? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Anyway, equity in those platforms, yeah, at something, but you
Speaker 2: know it's all really based around advertising and marketing and
Speaker 2: merch at this time.
Speaker 1: You know that's where the money at all your data money, yep.
Speaker 1: So that's really what it is.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: They getting money in other ways.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily for somebody just listening to They get
Speaker 2: money in other ways.
Speaker 3: You talk about the artists, you talk about the labels.
Speaker 4: Both.
Speaker 1: Some artists are doing it.
Speaker 2: Independent artists are doing it and understand it, and they
Speaker 2: understand how it is. It's an opportunity to other avenues
Speaker 2: to sell your merch, your shirts, your hats, your sneakers,
Speaker 2: your whatever you sell.
Speaker 3: Made up your saxty deal, right, he made up? He
Speaker 3: make it up, I believe.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't make it up like how we go,
Speaker 3: but the people that usually go applied it. I believe
Speaker 3: it's something like that. And the thing about it is
Speaker 3: for me. Leo has always been a great CEO to me. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he didn't have unfair practices with other people.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is for me.
Speaker 3: But how did he have the foresight to see that
Speaker 3: records won't sell as much as they will in the future,
Speaker 3: so they have to start marketing because no one asks,
Speaker 3: no one. You had to put people in there on
Speaker 3: your shows.
Speaker 2: I tell you how he knew when that MP three
Speaker 2: shit started, because that was the beginning of that end.
Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the end of conventional record
Speaker 2: labels and record sales because now you could share peer
Speaker 2: to peer online without paying nobody no mind, you feel me.
Speaker 2: So even though they regulated that at a certain point,
Speaker 2: then you know it was understood like, oh damn, it
Speaker 2: ain't no going back now, Ain't nobody buying nothing?
Speaker 1: Now you understanding.
Speaker 2: Now it's even worse because they just if it ain't
Speaker 2: on their phone, they ain't gonna hear it.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna hear nothing unless you hear it on
Speaker 1: your phone house, you gonna hear it.
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody really up there on the laptop all day
Speaker 2: everywhere they go. But they got that phone everywhere they go.
Speaker 2: So it's all mobile, it's all online, it's all technology now,
Speaker 2: and the only way to really make some money is,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I want that shirt he got on. Oh
Speaker 2: ship them kicks is hard? Let me get that oh
Speaker 2: that had his fire, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: you sell shit or drink, so whatever it might be,
Speaker 2: it might be a bottle of this. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Well, that's exactly what it is. This marketing
Speaker 2: is selling other products and that's how they're doing it
Speaker 2: because records ain't selling you.
Speaker 3: So let me ask you, Like how we spoke earlier,
Speaker 3: you said, like me and you both agreed that artists,
Speaker 3: you know, booking artists is probably one of the best things,
Speaker 3: right because we know.
Speaker 1: How to treat each other artists.
Speaker 3: Why isn't it more artists basic record labels?
Speaker 1: Like I respect what Rick Ross does.
Speaker 3: I really think that he takes care of his artists,
Speaker 3: And I respect what Yo Gotti does, really think he
Speaker 3: takes care of his artists. And that's like it's like
Speaker 3: one and so many. Why doesn't you own your own
Speaker 3: record label? Why I came on their own record label.
Speaker 1: You know, so on and so and forth.
Speaker 3: Cares one to try to like nurture these new artists.
Speaker 2: Well I do.
Speaker 1: I have an artist, City the Great. But what I
Speaker 1: did more so is empower him.
Speaker 2: And he has his own label, and I show him
Speaker 2: how to move independently and how to be an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: Instead of me trying to you know, own them or
Speaker 2: diddim or some shit, you feel me, I teach him
Speaker 2: how to be his own boss and how to make
Speaker 2: his own move.
Speaker 1: Shout out to City the Great man.
Speaker 2: And you know he's come from you know, some adversities,
Speaker 2: let's say, and now he's flying high man.
Speaker 1: He was just on the show in Coney Island with me.
Speaker 2: I give him a platform, give him opportunities, and it
Speaker 2: changed his lives.
Speaker 1: Man. So it's the education is the most important part.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: If you can give somebody the information and help them
Speaker 2: to succeed, empowerment, that's what I do. I have a
Speaker 2: nonprofit organization and that's my whole life mission right now
Speaker 2: is because of my life's experience as a young child artist,
Speaker 2: I go out there and teach children how to perceive
Speaker 2: this and operate in this landscape. It's called special ed
Speaker 2: art so literacy. We call it SEAL. Yeah, special arts
Speaker 2: so literacy seal. So that's seal Artsoliteracy dot org. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And our mentor I go do
Speaker 2: motivational speaking keynot speaking. I go to schools. I go
Speaker 2: to the worst schools too. I don't care where they at.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I go talk to them
Speaker 2: kids and get their mind right, and so they don't
Speaker 2: come out here and end up like a lot of
Speaker 2: people ending up the mortality rate and hip hop is
Speaker 2: through the rule. Yeah, and that's because they're approaching it
Speaker 2: with the wrong mindset. They going out here flashing money,
Speaker 2: flashing guns, behaving reckless because this no direction.
Speaker 3: But a right that that was so dope what you
Speaker 3: just said, right, because what we're saying, we're saying like that.
Speaker 3: The kids nowadays they hold the money to the ear
Speaker 3: they're doing. But I'm looking at the old school videos.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at them cell phones, the ones that didn't fold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, so I'm looking And that was a
Speaker 2: form of flossing as well back then, flossing and communication.
Speaker 2: Because now you have the ability to communicate mobile wherever
Speaker 2: you at and go get that money. You can be
Speaker 2: out traveling and answer your phone and do business. At
Speaker 2: the same time I was doing business, I was actually
Speaker 2: the youngest in charge.
Speaker 1: I was really in charge of my ship. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: so I.
Speaker 2: Was making moves, making calls, making decisions. I wasn't just
Speaker 2: running along behind what people say. I never did that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying because I learned.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is they're talking about the lifestyle then,
Speaker 3: like the lifestyle like if for some reason, and I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to just the new generation, let me reiterate
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say. It felt like when they
Speaker 3: was flassing back then, it was like a responsible flaws
Speaker 3: as opposed to what it looks like. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying they're not responsible. I'm saying it looks like it's
Speaker 3: just people just throwing money. Like just see kids throwing
Speaker 3: money in them all, and it's like, that's.
Speaker 1: Not resk like that, that's not one in real life.
Speaker 2: That's actually content driven for the grant, that's for the
Speaker 2: grand social that's for any social media, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: But they don't have any social responsibility. Nobody is guiding
Speaker 2: them or teaching them properly.
Speaker 1: So that's what I do.
Speaker 2: I go and talk to the kids that may have
Speaker 2: an interest in becoming artists or entrepreneurs or media creators,
Speaker 2: and I give them some perspective, some insight on how
Speaker 2: to think, how to behave, how to present yourself, how
Speaker 2: to be professional, so that you're just not out here
Speaker 2: while they' I really needed and bond. Then you're not there.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: You need to be able to survive this game. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. This is a long term thing.
Speaker 3: This is not you.
Speaker 2: You don't want to do this for two years and
Speaker 2: then disappear. Yeah, you understand, And that's what's happening because.
Speaker 1: You're doing it for six months now. Disappearance crazy man.
Speaker 1: At least at least back then.
Speaker 3: They had two years, you had a hit record, you
Speaker 3: could go on to all you can feed your family now.
Speaker 3: And what's fucked up about it is no one's schooling
Speaker 3: these kids, That's what I'm saying, not telling them hold
Speaker 3: that money, don't buy that car, don't buy that that
Speaker 3: They're just.
Speaker 1: Letting them go and then that money is gone, specially
Speaker 1: at arts and literacy. That's what we do.
Speaker 2: We teach them better. We teach you better, and so
Speaker 2: you know better and you do better and you succeed.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm on. That's all I'm on right now.
Speaker 2: I don't compete with nobody. I ain't out here putting
Speaker 2: out a new single, this, that, and the third. No,
Speaker 2: I'm out here talking to these kids. I'm going to
Speaker 2: the hoods. I'm on my way to Chicago. I'm in Philly,
Speaker 2: I'm in New York. I'm everywhere I need to be.
Speaker 2: I'm in North Carolina, like just wherever it's at. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm national. Nah, I'm between the South. I'm all over. Man,
Speaker 2: I got a few cribs. I just chill, man, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't even disclose that.
Speaker 4: No more.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: That's a part of flaws, and that's a part of
Speaker 1: right here, come get me.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, you know, I invest wisely, and that's
Speaker 2: a part of it, investing things that appreciate. Go buy
Speaker 2: some houses. You know what I'm saying. You can get
Speaker 2: a nice car, but make sure you got a nice
Speaker 2: house first. You know what I'm saying, Something that's going
Speaker 2: to appreciate and make you money year after year.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, what are you what are you telling the youth
Speaker 1: and how to navigate social media. How to navigate social media,
Speaker 1: that's like the one of the biggest issues.
Speaker 2: Right right It is not to be reckless, not to
Speaker 2: be offensive, be mindful of how you direct your energy
Speaker 2: and to whom you direct your energy. Don't start you know,
Speaker 2: don't start problems. This this kids right now that is
Speaker 2: actually using social media to beef yea and to take
Speaker 2: over right and to take lives. And that's you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's the misuse of it first of all. But
Speaker 2: then if you think about it, that's that sound like
Speaker 2: an agenda to me. That sounds like they making they
Speaker 2: designing this ship. Brother, They designing this ship just for
Speaker 2: such the willing giving into it, where before we already
Speaker 2: were like nah, nah no, no, we need to do
Speaker 2: better and teach our children better.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of kids out here that may
Speaker 2: not have one or both parents, but you still have
Speaker 2: a community, you know what I'm saying, And a lot
Speaker 2: of them get caught up in what they would call
Speaker 2: a gang. But you know, it's up to the gang
Speaker 2: to direct them correctly and not to destroy themselves and others.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's a responsibility that come
Speaker 2: with all of that. You could be a OG. But
Speaker 2: what kind of og are you? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Are you teaching them how to make money, how to
Speaker 2: get it out there and not die and go to jail?
Speaker 2: Or you just sending them off to the wall. You're
Speaker 2: sending them out the door with the ratchet goat?
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: You can't do that, man, That's like you gotta be
Speaker 2: a real o G. You can't just be you know,
Speaker 2: using children. You know what I'm saying, You can't use
Speaker 2: and abused children. Man, that's not looked upon. You know,
Speaker 2: that's not good real so karma karma real, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna get all that back, you feel me?
Speaker 5: What's your We talked a little bit before, but is
Speaker 5: there an affiliation with low lives with my boy Thirsty?
Speaker 1: Oh? Like he's the way he leads, the way you know,
Speaker 1: from showing that whole community that he was a part
Speaker 1: of a different way. Yeah, absolutely, it's turning.
Speaker 2: What was I wouldn't say negative because they was trying
Speaker 2: to survive, you know, and they found the lane hustling
Speaker 2: gear seed you.
Speaker 1: Never shot lifted, but they did. They did absolutely, you know,
Speaker 1: and I grew up with them, you know.
Speaker 2: I grew up with with them in Brooklyn, and when
Speaker 2: I came out, you know, they was everywhere there was
Speaker 2: around I went to school, My man guests actually shout
Speaker 2: out to my main guests. I used to cut out
Speaker 2: of school with him and he used to have moms
Speaker 2: with we go to the crib. He lived on Rockaway
Speaker 2: a lot of guests. Yeah, he was, and then he
Speaker 2: lived next door to fee fee Ware.
Speaker 1: To feel.
Speaker 2: Right, they was all surrounded by everybody else all low.
Speaker 2: There was low life, there was fee Low, guests, low everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they more more than just polo.
Speaker 2: Now, it was a bunch of it was brands, but
Speaker 2: that was the lucrative brand that they could sell and
Speaker 2: monetize in the streets.
Speaker 3: I like it that Ralph loren actually included them in
Speaker 3: his Man.
Speaker 2: They partially responsible for the success of his brand, just
Speaker 2: in the fact that they was, you know, criminalized stealing
Speaker 2: it and selling it, like they stole millions of dollars
Speaker 2: worth of that ship, but it was also wearing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker 2: I was like then, absolutely, oh yeah, I'll be square
Speaker 2: mall hell yeah, Brooklyn, New York. That was that was
Speaker 2: a landmark Dad in King's Plaza. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Anyway up in down Fulton Street, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: downtown Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Yes, well you supposed to. Our show is about giving
Speaker 3: people all they flowers while they're.
Speaker 1: Alive, and we wanted to give you. I appreciate that
Speaker 1: you are I call my brother. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
Speaker 2: And this Sunday and she said this Sunday. No, No,
Speaker 2: we did cony out last Sunday. What Sunday coming up
Speaker 2: is gonna be in Marcus Garvey Park uptown in Harlem.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, And I'm doing the Native Tongue tribute
Speaker 2: for Red Alert and Rest in Peace Baby Chris Chris
Speaker 2: Lighty And it's gonna feature Red Alert, the Jungle Brothers,
Speaker 2: Black Sheep Dress, Chili Money Love and yeah, we're doing
Speaker 2: it like that. And you were signing Chris light was No,
Speaker 2: it was just my boy man, like we was friends.
Speaker 1: How did y'all connect?
Speaker 2: We connected through the industry through him being a violator
Speaker 2: in the native tongue. I fucked with them. They was
Speaker 2: all my people. I toured with them, you know. I
Speaker 2: toured with trip called quests a lot. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. There was native tongue too. They are you
Speaker 2: feel me? And just being family. Man. We treated each
Speaker 2: other with respect. Man, like I don't he done took me.
Speaker 2: I don't spend the night by the crib just chilling.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying up in the Bronx. I
Speaker 2: used to be up in the Bronx all the time. Man,
Speaker 2: I went, I went anywhere. I pleased on this, in this,
Speaker 2: on this planet. You look like Jesus.
Speaker 1: That's it, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Hey, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I'm
Speaker 2: basically like Jesus in the street.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what it was.
Speaker 2: You want to heal?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How much? How much Beijing do you use? I don't
Speaker 1: use none. I don't use nothing. I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: I had one law the Gray here right here, and
Speaker 2: I got upset when it broke. My ship broke.
Speaker 1: You had one. I had one in my.
Speaker 2: I got I got a few little here and there,
Speaker 2: I think, But this is genetic, man, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, I'm blessed thanks to my moms
Speaker 2: and poss who gave the drops of Loti berries, just
Speaker 2: regular eating fruits and berries.
Speaker 1: I'll put the ship in my head now.
Speaker 2: America girl. Yeah yeah, now that the not just the
Speaker 2: mother and father gift that they gave me. Man, they
Speaker 2: blessed me. But I'm glad.
Speaker 3: But back in the days, that was like the ship
Speaker 3: to have an esque girl and you got good hair.
Speaker 1: Did anybody ever accused you of having the esk girl? Well,
Speaker 1: now I think they could tell.
Speaker 2: They could see from you know, the grade or whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, the grater heir, you know, just my my complexion.
Speaker 2: They would think I was you know, like Dominican, Puerto Rican,
Speaker 2: trinid Dad, Guyanese and those are all people with more
Speaker 2: curly or straight here.
Speaker 3: So you ain't never like act like he was one
Speaker 3: of them to get some pussies up.
Speaker 6: No, I ain't never had the hat. I ain't never
Speaker 6: had the hat. I mean I just full back and
Speaker 6: let that. I ain't never had to do nothing for it. Okay, Well,
Speaker 6: we got a game on our show. It's called quick
Speaker 6: Time of Slim. You're not drinking, so you could pick
Speaker 6: any one of these butters that drink for you.
Speaker 3: I suggest you picked the Haiti because he used to
Speaker 3: rocking Jamaican bell.
Speaker 2: He had no permission for no yard.
Speaker 3: I suggest you picked the Haitian because because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because he had.
Speaker 1: No permission in rock the yard mane belt. I could
Speaker 1: do it with the coconut water. No, no, no, you
Speaker 1: have n't you have him take the shot?
Speaker 2: Sure? All right?
Speaker 1: Cool and you you you're good, you're gonna do stay cool?
Speaker 3: All right? Pumo or Pete Rock or Friend and roots
Speaker 3: a ry the spreending rum. Yeah, spending rules is if
Speaker 3: you pick both, then he drinks. If you be politically
Speaker 3: you reckon, you say neither, then he drinks. But if
Speaker 3: you pick one, then know what he drinks. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: you ready?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: Pre or Pete Rock both. Yeah, he understands this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but this is my people, This is my family. You
Speaker 3: know it's okay this d MX or Biggie.
Speaker 1: X or Biggie.
Speaker 3: Biggie Okay, Brooklyn Brooklyn, Guru or big Al.
Speaker 2: That's a good one, Guru, Guru because he done gave
Speaker 2: me a haircut. That's that was my my man, like
Speaker 2: my man, my man, like I'd have been to his crib.
Speaker 1: Was a good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Guru was a buck. I was too.
Speaker 1: I used to cut here before I started rapping.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I cut my hood. I cut all the hair.
Speaker 2: But one time we was at the New Music semin
Speaker 2: off in the city and gu was like, yo, I
Speaker 2: got run to my crib real quick.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I come with you. Fuck it,
Speaker 1: let's go. So we went to his crib.
Speaker 2: I got a little shape up and ship and then
Speaker 2: we went back to the New Music seminar.
Speaker 1: You up, yeah yeah?
Speaker 2: Got man. Rest in Peace, My man, Holly Rock rest
Speaker 2: in Peace introduced me to him from East New York
Speaker 2: because he was down with the East New York crew,
Speaker 2: and we kind of came out at the same time
Speaker 2: and did a lot of things together, you know. We
Speaker 2: we little side shows, inside hustles. We did a lot
Speaker 2: of ship together.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 1: He was also a youth counselor.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a counselor.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 1: Guru was a little I ain't gonna lie. I got
Speaker 1: drunk with Google a lot. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I like this one. You want to take
Speaker 3: this one?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 8: Caine or Ell Caine Brooklyn damn straight out, straight out,
Speaker 8: no hesitation on.
Speaker 2: That, and it ain't I'm gonna tell you well, I
Speaker 2: ain't gonna tell you we got up to Yeah Kane,
Speaker 2: shout outs to big Daddy Kane. That's the o G.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, he was like a big brother the
Speaker 2: me too. Like he doesn't come to church after the
Speaker 2: hood to pick me up. We go to Apollo hang out, chill,
Speaker 2: go watch all one of them little blaxploitation flicks at
Speaker 2: the crib. Chill, we laughing, get gigging it up. He
Speaker 2: was a big brother man, like I respect. The ship
Speaker 2: out of a big Day came May cut at the time.
Speaker 2: Probably probably so drag drag for the k I know,
Speaker 2: I know what you're gonna pick up with this one.
Speaker 3: Howie t Or Eric Sherman, Howie Tea Man Brooklyn Okay, Chub.
Speaker 1: Chub Rock Brooklyn like his loyalty. I like it. New
Speaker 1: Jack City or Juice Juice? How did you get in
Speaker 1: the Juice? I forgot that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I wasn't really really supposed to be in the movie
Speaker 2: at all. Actually, yeah, what happened was I read for
Speaker 2: the part because I wanted to be in the movie
Speaker 2: at the time, so I read for the part of
Speaker 2: the curly head kid.
Speaker 1: Of course you did.
Speaker 2: So when I went to the set, I went to
Speaker 2: the set to go fuck with Poc.
Speaker 1: That was my man, Like, we was tight. So I
Speaker 1: produced records for people to talk about this.
Speaker 3: Y Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I went to the set to go chill
Speaker 2: with Pac, and when I saw who they casted for
Speaker 2: the part I read for, I was like, how the
Speaker 2: funck y'all get a look alike?
Speaker 1: Why y'all ain't get the real nigga? Right?
Speaker 2: So Pac was like, yo, you read for this move.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, son, they gave it to the
Speaker 2: other curly head dude, what the fun?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Who is this other curly So that was right?
Speaker 1: He right there?
Speaker 2: Yeah right?
Speaker 1: And I end up taking this girl right So so.
Speaker 2: So Pack was like he acted like he was He
Speaker 2: acted like he had to do something. So he was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be right back. I'll be right back. So
Speaker 2: he left and when he came back, he was like, yo, ed,
Speaker 2: I got you a little part in the movie.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It ain't a big part, but it's a little cameo.
Speaker 2: I ain't even know he was doing that. I was like,
Speaker 2: come on, son, you ain't.
Speaker 3: Had to do that.
Speaker 2: Give thanks though, And then I went out there and
Speaker 2: they had this this drop top jeep, you know, them
Speaker 2: wranglers with no top and it had like a fuzzy
Speaker 2: steering wig and I was like, oh, hell no, I'm
Speaker 2: not driving that ship.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the part, but I'm gonna drive my ship.
Speaker 2: So they looked at my sit and was like I
Speaker 2: had the red pasat with the foods, with the food sir, rims,
Speaker 2: the chrome ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, only only me, Only me and the shop
Speaker 1: owner had them rims.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I spent the little paper on them. But they
Speaker 2: saw my whipping it was like, all right, we use
Speaker 2: your car. So we found a little crackhead that was
Speaker 2: washing cars and was like, all right, clean my ship up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this. And we did the scene in Harlow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did the scene.
Speaker 3: But talk to us about pocat me and I don't
Speaker 3: think you ever met Park none, never had a chance
Speaker 3: to meet popping up to outlaws and everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of questions about no worries.
Speaker 3: It's not because because I just never I'll never get
Speaker 3: that back.
Speaker 2: What it is is I met Pop through through a
Speaker 2: mutual friend and through Latifa's crew.
Speaker 1: I used to date one of our dances, right, I
Speaker 1: feel me.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they were on tour with Digital Underground at the time,
Speaker 2: and I had spot dates that I used to do
Speaker 2: with them. I toured with all of them, but they
Speaker 2: introduced me to Tupac. He was a roadie for Digital
Speaker 2: Underground at the time, and I met all of the
Speaker 2: money be Shot Gen. We we all tight, like I
Speaker 2: still fuck with money be now Rest in Peace, Shot
Speaker 2: Gress in Peace, and you know we met then it
Speaker 2: was organic and we was all just cool.
Speaker 1: We all fucked with each other. When I went to
Speaker 1: l A, I called him.
Speaker 2: Up one time too, and he was like, damn, I'm
Speaker 2: in the bay, but I come fuck with you, and
Speaker 2: he drove all the way to LA to countries.
Speaker 1: With a right maybe we went out. We went hanging
Speaker 1: out and ship.
Speaker 2: But then when he came to New York all the
Speaker 2: time he'd call me and act too, and then he
Speaker 2: would come by the studio. And that's how we ended
Speaker 2: up producing for him because he said they had put
Speaker 2: him on and he had a record deal now, so
Speaker 2: he was like, if you got any beats, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Woo woo whoop. So he came through
Speaker 2: and we put him on some beats and did some
Speaker 2: production for him. So you know, that was a blessing.
Speaker 2: But that was organic too, Like, I didn't try to
Speaker 2: jump on a record because he had a deal.
Speaker 1: I just produe. I did what he acts.
Speaker 3: But it's funny you say that because we could clearly
Speaker 3: see the relationship that Park had with you. We clearly
Speaker 3: see the relationship that Park had with Buck Down.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was a great dude. Man, He was a good dude.
Speaker 2: It was biggie early on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like a Brooklyn connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he was just a real dude period. He
Speaker 3: was stretching a live squad too in Queens too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, what's there a difference that
Speaker 3: you could notice recognize from the pocket you knew from
Speaker 3: Digital Underground days to the park that did you meet
Speaker 3: the pocket from on Death Row Pocket?
Speaker 2: Well, at that time, well meet, I already knew him,
Speaker 2: but I didn't see him when he came home and
Speaker 2: got on death Row and all that. And actually I
Speaker 2: was in La one time, and I was that's when
Speaker 2: I used to smoke.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, let me just say, man, I stopped
Speaker 2: smoking weed after forty years. Wow, I'm Jamaican, so that
Speaker 2: shit come with the family. But I stopped smoking weed.
Speaker 1: This year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just stopped a few months ago. Man, don't
Speaker 2: get excited. Don't get excited. That's all fresh. It's just control.
Speaker 2: It's just self control. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: controlled myself.
Speaker 1: So what I was saying against my pot.
Speaker 3: But hold on, we're gonna get back to pop. Make
Speaker 3: sure we go back to pop. But hold on, what
Speaker 3: made you stop smoking?
Speaker 1: I want to know that part. Well, I've been doing
Speaker 1: it so long. I'm like, when am I gonna stop? Okay?
Speaker 1: How am I going to dish? Destroyed myself in the process?
Speaker 1: I stopped smoking cigarettes? Am I gonna kill?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had to do that too. When I was
Speaker 2: a teen, I used to smoke new Ports. At one
Speaker 2: point I smoked black and Miles. I had to stop,
Speaker 2: like step by step when I moved to the South.
Speaker 2: I moved to the South, down South. I moved to
Speaker 2: the South, and yeah, okay, I stopped now long years ago,
Speaker 2: years ago, years ago. I stopped smoking new Ports, probably
Speaker 2: over ten fifteen years ago. And then I stopped smoking
Speaker 2: black and Miles a few years ago because I was
Speaker 2: in the South. And that's like a I picked that
Speaker 2: ship up from like Mark Sparks and shiit like North Carolina,
Speaker 2: they all they all doing some shit with them and
Speaker 2: get I just loosen it up like this and smoke
Speaker 2: it like what I'm saying. But they used to take
Speaker 2: it apart and peel shit off. I'm like, this ain't weed.
Speaker 2: But yeah, shout out to Mark Sparks and the whole
Speaker 2: team out there, Charlotte man for real.
Speaker 3: So let me actually because two right, I mean, this
Speaker 3: was a totally different person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what happened was I was in l A
Speaker 2: one time and I was smoking some pie grade and
Speaker 2: I passed out. My boy, My boy, my boys went
Speaker 2: to the party and see pot and I woke up tight.
Speaker 2: I woke up and I'm in there by myself. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck going on? Everybody at they at the party.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was so pissed at these motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 2: And then they come back and you, yeah, they were
Speaker 2: hide you. Yeah, it was up. I'm like, your motherfucker man.
Speaker 2: They was like, yo, sir, we seen pac. I was like,
Speaker 2: get the fuck away from me. Did you have a
Speaker 2: relationship with Big Yeah? Yeah, I had a relationship with
Speaker 2: Big through and it started through my man Klepto. And
Speaker 2: actually that's another person. I went to elementary. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: went to elementary with him. Okay, I got a picture
Speaker 2: online and me and him like this tall with our
Speaker 2: little slacks and button ups like this, you know, stunting.
Speaker 2: But we was in elementary. We grew up together. So anyway,
Speaker 2: he came by. I had a studio in Brooklyn called
Speaker 2: a Dollar Cab Lab.
Speaker 1: Dollar Cab Lab.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the dollar van.
Speaker 1: To go to church, exactly, dollar van. So that's why
Speaker 1: we call it dollar cat an people. Hell yeah, dollar yeah.
Speaker 2: So the Dollar Cab Lab. We I say it again.
Speaker 2: We don't win in a tangent. Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Clip came by the studio and everybody used to
Speaker 2: come by the studio, but he came byn and was like, yo,
Speaker 2: big putting us on, and we're gonna do an album
Speaker 2: once again.
Speaker 1: You got some beats, oh come on? Hell yeah.
Speaker 2: I got a whole team by that time. I had
Speaker 2: probably like five six producers with me in the Dollar
Speaker 2: Cab Lab. What I did was I had all the
Speaker 2: equipment in the studio and then I called all my
Speaker 2: homies and I said, look, I'm gonna show y'all how
Speaker 2: to use this ship. So I taught all of them,
Speaker 2: how to use the machines, how to sample, how to
Speaker 2: loop up, how to sequence all that shit, and so
Speaker 2: we always had beats.
Speaker 1: We had a gang of beats Dollar Cavet.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Two we did like two or three we did like
Speaker 2: I think it was two joints on the Junior Mafia album. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: well that's the only album they did. But we did
Speaker 2: two joints on their Murder Ones and oh my lord,
Speaker 2: oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you ever think, because uh you know who Biggie
Speaker 3: was and who Park was, that they would ever crosspath
Speaker 3: and to get this bad No?
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, I think that was all third party
Speaker 2: in entourage ship, and that's that's really the problem. Is
Speaker 2: just sometimes the people you around and what they add
Speaker 2: to the mix, they add either negativity or positivity, you
Speaker 2: feel me. So that's what happened, man. I think between
Speaker 2: them too, as individuals, they was never in a problem.
Speaker 2: You know, I think it more so of the things
Speaker 2: that happened, and Pop blaming Big for not warning him,
Speaker 2: for warning him or informing him, right, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where they got it got tumultuous.
Speaker 2: But as men, as individuals, man, we all had love
Speaker 2: for each other.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 3: We had warm and g sit here the other day
Speaker 3: and Warren G said that he actually met with Big
Speaker 3: and he had a message to relate to Pac. He
Speaker 3: never had got it to Park. He said that he
Speaker 3: thinks single handled one of those messages might have changed
Speaker 3: the whole trajectory of this whole situation.
Speaker 1: You think, you think.
Speaker 3: Because that lack of communication, because you know, if they
Speaker 3: would have probably got in the phone with each other,
Speaker 3: they probably say, yo, bro, I'm not beefing with you.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. You think that that was a
Speaker 2: big part. Yeah, I think that was a big part.
Speaker 2: But also I think there was a lot of fire
Speaker 2: and Park at the time. I mean, he got shot up,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Regardless of how it happened
Speaker 2: or what happened, the fact is that it happened in
Speaker 2: our home.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: That's like if we go to LA and something happened
Speaker 2: in the studio where they at, it's gonna feel like, yo, bro.
Speaker 1: It's gonna automatically feel weird. Yeah, it's gonna feel weird.
Speaker 2: So I think that energy, you know, just ran off
Speaker 2: and took a life of its own without men getting
Speaker 2: to speak man the Man and heal the situation, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 10: I agree, Yeah, you want to go to the next one.
Speaker 10: We lost some icons yet, resting peace to both of them. Men,
Speaker 10: all right, Mop or black Moon?
Speaker 2: Oh Man, drink Man? Can they both from Brooklyn? And
Speaker 2: I foxed with both of them. They all, you know,
Speaker 2: little fame, that's my little they all come on man.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Buckshot in boot Camp actually came up in
Speaker 2: the Dollar Cab Lab in my studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when they started recording boot Camp Click, when they
Speaker 2: started the boot Camp Click and started recording all their
Speaker 2: albums ogc Healter, Skelter, et cetera, rocking rock and all that,
Speaker 2: they started in my studio in Brooklyn, the Dollar Cab
Speaker 2: Lat it used to be like ten fifteen of them
Speaker 2: just laid out everywhere because you know, we had a fit.
Speaker 2: It was a it was like a not it was
Speaker 2: an apartment, but we turned into a studio and it
Speaker 2: was different rooms all over. We had video game rules
Speaker 2: and roots.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, shout them out. Yeah, yeah, they know, just
Speaker 2: ask them about the Dollar Cab last.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wish I would have been there, Dollar Cab Lab. Hell, yeah,
Speaker 2: you'd have been welcome. We welcomed everybody. Everybody been there.
Speaker 2: And when they came through Brooklyn, they came and stopped
Speaker 2: off and chill. Even if they didn't record, they came
Speaker 2: by to chill.
Speaker 1: You feel me. It was a family, it.
Speaker 3: Was it was a vibe good fab or Jadakiss, Jadakiss.
Speaker 2: I know Fab is from Brooklyn, But me and Jada
Speaker 2: I have always had a relationship, like me and the Locks.
Speaker 2: Like see certain groups, you know, certain groups we gravitate
Speaker 2: to just on the strength of realness. And I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time on Yonkers too. I used to
Speaker 2: go fuck with him down down the road and all that.
Speaker 2: And you know they show love so and I haven't
Speaker 2: seen them all over the country. You feel me out
Speaker 2: and those see if Jada was having a show or
Speaker 2: some ship, I might go pull up, yo, what up
Speaker 2: some like that. So you know he's been out the Charlotte.
Speaker 2: I've ran up on him in La, this, that and
Speaker 2: the third. Like that's the type of relationship we got.
Speaker 2: So I would just say, Jada, man, yeah, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is a for skill off of
Speaker 2: the relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like this pick right now, Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: all your criteria jay Z or nots jay Z.
Speaker 2: Or nos'ma, I'm gonna give it to Brooklyn. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give it to Brooklyn just because I'm from Brooklyn. But
Speaker 2: I love them both, you know, and to be real,
Speaker 2: to be really real, they both showed me love. I
Speaker 2: probably spent a lot more time around Nas and just
Speaker 2: fucking with Nas. But and I booked Naves before you know,
Speaker 2: we brought him to Charlotte. But you know, shout out
Speaker 2: to boy man, you should drink for that. But I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna spend fucking drink drink for that one man,
Speaker 2: Both drink Okay, o C or lawfulness, O C or
Speaker 2: Lord forness? You can got ahead and just drink again. Okay, No,
Speaker 2: you have a problem. You have a drinking problem like
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem. Or biz Markey, Oh man, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just have to say biz Markey. They both Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: but biz Marcky, I've I've had a big bro relationship
Speaker 2: with biz Markey's for thirty something years since the beginning
Speaker 2: of my career.
Speaker 1: It's out. I have to watch the rest in peace
Speaker 1: to biz Markey.
Speaker 2: He has always been the most loving, the most genuine,
Speaker 2: the most real of.
Speaker 3: People period, and I wanted to play him in the movie. Okay,
Speaker 3: if a movie come out the Juice Crew, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you a little you're going to start.
Speaker 2: Let me tell this a story about buz Man back
Speaker 2: in the days, and he changed my perspective on some things.
Speaker 2: One of them was we had a show in Puerto
Speaker 2: Rico and Biz comes to the show with no luggage, nothing.
Speaker 2: He just had a walkman on. I'm like, and the
Speaker 2: whole time it's just bus and a walkman. Ain't no
Speaker 2: bag nowhere, no nothing. I'm like, oh, this thing is real. Meantime,
Speaker 2: I got all kinds of bag. I got a robe
Speaker 2: in my ship, I got Fendy luggage. I'm like, and
Speaker 2: it's only a one nice show. But the lesson I
Speaker 2: learned is, man, fuck all this. If you in and out,
Speaker 2: you in and out. I might carry a little bag
Speaker 2: here and there now, but I learned from Biz like, man,
Speaker 2: fuck this, it ain't really all about all that. Just
Speaker 2: go in, get your money, what you got doing. Go yeah, man, shout.
Speaker 1: Out the biz Man. He really rest in peace.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: This was a real big bro.
Speaker 1: His connections was ill and I don't want to ruin it,
Speaker 1: but people need to watch that documentary. It's it's dope,
Speaker 1: all right. Next one, Havoc or Large Pro, I.
Speaker 2: Would say, yeah, I would say Large Pro because of
Speaker 2: my relationship with Large Pro. I done been through his
Speaker 2: crib and Queen's Bridge in the apartment. As matter of fact,
Speaker 2: that's where I first met Nas at was in Large
Speaker 2: Pro crib. You feel me because Nas lived in Queen's
Speaker 2: Bridge at the time and I went to Large Pro
Speaker 2: crib to get some tracks and hear some beats, and
Speaker 2: Nas popped in and we actually had a little cipher.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, just me and him in
Speaker 2: Large Pro. So shout out to Large Pro. And like
Speaker 2: I said, shout out to Nas. That's why I say, man,
Speaker 2: you know you got to drink because you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying me and you know that's that's the little
Speaker 2: homie there.
Speaker 1: That's a little bro.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The next one Kris One or Chuck D, Chuck N.
Speaker 2: Chuck D. So Chuck D.
Speaker 1: Now you know why Chuck D has always been stand up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we used to tour and one thing I
Speaker 2: learned from Chuck touring is that to take this business
Speaker 2: seriously because while we was wild and now smoking weed,
Speaker 2: getting drunk, this, that, and the third, we were going
Speaker 2: to a truck stop and Chuck d is sitting at
Speaker 2: the table with the whole team around the table, and
Speaker 2: there is some deep ass conversation doing the knowledge you
Speaker 2: feel me. And I always looked at that like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm out here to have fun. But I had to
Speaker 2: take and learn from what I saw from Chuck, and
Speaker 2: that was to take this business serious and to treat
Speaker 2: it serious. You feel me, So I would say, Chuck
Speaker 2: d unequivocably.
Speaker 1: You met Nas at Large Pro House?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met Na's at Large Pro House in Queensbridge,
Speaker 2: and I remember, I remember, Yeah, we had a little sipher.
Speaker 2: We was playing beats Me and Na start spitting. We
Speaker 2: had to get down low for the speakers and the
Speaker 2: mic feedback. So we're down low, crouching, spitting and shit.
Speaker 2: But one of the neighbors must have been complaining because
Speaker 2: this shit was banging. Large Pro is getting on our rate,
Speaker 2: got the ratchet. I'm like, yo, just easy, son, you
Speaker 2: gotta I'm like, yo, Son, I'm like, you gotta live here, son,
Speaker 2: chill out, like what you're gonna do?
Speaker 1: Shoot out?
Speaker 2: The window.
Speaker 1: Come on, son, shout out to large pro man, that's
Speaker 1: the that's the honey Ellmatic or ready to die Ellmatic
Speaker 1: or ready to die. So he could drink for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: drink for that.
Speaker 2: He ain't got no problems but a drinking problem. Az
Speaker 2: or Cormega, ac or Cormega. They they're in the same team,
Speaker 2: ain't they.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you still gotta pick.
Speaker 2: There was like partners an they was on the same
Speaker 2: records and ship right somewhat.
Speaker 1: Okay, he could drink for that. Cool they cool? MC
Speaker 1: light or Queen Latifa.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm gonna say MC Light and I've had
Speaker 2: I've had a great relatelationship with Latifa, but I think
Speaker 2: throughout the years i've seen and been around and had
Speaker 2: more communication with Light.
Speaker 1: But you know, we used to tour together.
Speaker 2: Like I've shared my tour bus with Latifa in them man,
Speaker 2: like we've been Yeah, flavor units, shout out shot him,
Speaker 2: shout out the whole team.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Recipeace withs owings.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. But matter of fact, it's
Speaker 2: drink to that man. But Light is Brooklyn. Light is Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: But you're gonna still drink Okay Tupac or Easy Tupac?
Speaker 1: Have you heard? I didn't meet him. I've seen him.
Speaker 2: He was with Dre at a party in the what
Speaker 2: was that Mars or some ship back in the days
Speaker 2: on the West Side Highway and him and Dre came
Speaker 2: to the party. We were standing outside at the door
Speaker 2: waiting to get in. That's the only time I've ever
Speaker 2: seen Easy. I've seen Dre plenty of times. I done
Speaker 2: been to Dre study shout outs to Dre man one love.
Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely, uh who I picked? Come on son?
Speaker 2: The tracks you said you produced for Poker on the
Speaker 2: albums absolutely one was on the album strip Strictly for
Speaker 2: my niggas and one no, the album was called Strictly
Speaker 2: and then the other one was uh posts his passing.
Speaker 2: They put out a project and they asked for the
Speaker 2: record because it was never released.
Speaker 1: It was called open Fire and shout out the DJ
Speaker 1: action too. Video music box, all your own TV raps,
Speaker 1: Video music box.
Speaker 2: Uncle Ralph Brooklyn once again, but problem from Queens Well,
Speaker 2: I always see Ralph and Brooklyn. Ralph from to me,
Speaker 2: but nah, but Ralph because he's still added, he's still going.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I had Ralph hosts The Coney Island
Speaker 2: Show and Ralph is hosting in Harlem with me. I
Speaker 2: always incorporate Ralph. He always showed me love. He showed
Speaker 2: me more love than most you feel me throughout my
Speaker 2: entire career, like period. So Uncle Ralph all day. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I mean, you know at Love
Speaker 2: and Doctor Dre, I love y'all too, But Ralph is
Speaker 2: my O G man.
Speaker 1: That's that's unk. Yeah as well. Yeah, n w A
Speaker 1: O Wu Tang clan Wu Tang Wu Tang is for
Speaker 1: the kids.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: You know what besides that, man Wu Tang was dropping
Speaker 2: knowledge and positivity.
Speaker 1: You know, n w A brought the age of destruction,
Speaker 1: Damn Jesus. N w A brought the age of destruction
Speaker 1: to our children and our culture.
Speaker 2: Period. Hey, I respect all of them as men, but
Speaker 2: as the art form, and you want me to speak
Speaker 2: on the RD form, I'm gonna tell you what it is.
Speaker 2: That's where it started. Wow, that's where the agenda started,
Speaker 2: and that's where the destruction.
Speaker 3: Began against the rap You will give that to them
Speaker 3: or was it iced.
Speaker 2: T well iced t? Yeah? Iced T did that.
Speaker 1: I ain't say they started against the rap.
Speaker 2: But what happened was when the President sent them that letter,
Speaker 2: they went hand with that shit like you know, and
Speaker 2: they had more of a presence.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Iced T did his numbers back, you know, he did
Speaker 1: his thing. That's my old G two iced T.
Speaker 2: But and w A ran away with it in such
Speaker 2: a way where it was like, for real, that's all
Speaker 2: we gonna do.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was genius for them, and they made millions of
Speaker 2: dollars off of it, But look at what it caused
Speaker 2: the police early. Yeah, we always saying fucking the police.
Speaker 2: But they said it on record, absolutely for the record,
Speaker 2: and I respect them for that too.
Speaker 1: Shappa Ranks or Shop Ranks or Bougou.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, shop of the o G boy, you're gonna drink
Speaker 2: for that? They both from yard big up our yard man.
Speaker 2: Drink for the yard man. Name Belly or shot us.
Speaker 1: Belly or shot Yeah, I know, I know. Hm hmm.
Speaker 1: I would say, shatas.
Speaker 2: You took the water, you took the watts too far?
Speaker 2: Now that the shot? Yes, I remember there was filming
Speaker 2: right around the corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went, so you went with shotas okay, Master
Speaker 3: Ace or Jay Wood the damage.
Speaker 1: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: I would go with Ace because of our long standing relationship,
Speaker 2: and I do have a long standing relationship with Jay
Speaker 2: Rue as well, but I think I've had more interaction
Speaker 2: and then sharing the Crookland soundtrack Crooklyn going back and
Speaker 2: talking about going back to Crookland.
Speaker 1: Hold on super Cat or Bounty Killer. I don't know
Speaker 1: why Jamaica keep coming out of me. Well, see one
Speaker 1: is the og and Bounty is actually now a OG.
Speaker 1: I actually Supercat, your cousin. I could tell Actually, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you though.
Speaker 2: I did the first hip hop collab with Bounty Killer
Speaker 2: Wow on my album. It's called just a Killer Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was on my album Revelations. I actually flew down
Speaker 2: to Jamaica to King Jammy's studio with the cash, with
Speaker 2: the cash and paid the man when you know he
Speaker 2: was he you know, before he had all the hip
Speaker 2: hop fame on ninety four, I believe, Yeah to the.
Speaker 1: Yard, yeahsh yeah, very dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm a dangerous guy. Man, don't get tristed.
Speaker 2: I'm Jesus on the street. But you know I'm also
Speaker 2: you know, I'm many things. Respect my family. My family
Speaker 2: is from Kingston, Jamaica.
Speaker 3: You know, all of them you know, my favorite place
Speaker 3: in Kingston, Jamaica is Tivoy Gardess.
Speaker 4: Okay, enjoy that. Enjoy yourself for me, this is the
Speaker 4: last one.
Speaker 1: You want to take it. Loyalty or respect, loyalty.
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna get respect, but loyalty, loyalty, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because then you know you can trust
Speaker 2: and you know, you know who you could fuck with.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Anybody could respect you, you could scale them more fucking
Speaker 2: too respecting you. But that don't mean they're gonna be loyal.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, They gonna run and go
Speaker 2: tell the police. You know what I'm saying. I take
Speaker 2: that loyalty now, I know I could trust you with whatever.
Speaker 2: We're good, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, I respect that. I respect that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey hey, I'm gonna take I take my respect. I
Speaker 2: take my respect period. But loyalty is rare. Loyalty you
Speaker 2: gotta really be loyal. You got and not everybody's loyal.
Speaker 1: You feel me. You can always take your respect because
Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing. Like fuck that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my respect, But loyalty you can't. You know,
Speaker 2: by time you turn your back you know, you don't know,
Speaker 2: it might be a knife in it. You feel me?
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah? Did you?
Speaker 2: Did you?
Speaker 3: I know you say you don't go to concerts, but
Speaker 3: did you get to see clips of the Hip Hop
Speaker 3: fifty concert in Yankee Stadium?
Speaker 2: No, it'd been on my timeline, but I just keep scrolling.
Speaker 2: I don't fuck with appropriation. Appropriation, what do you mean
Speaker 2: by that? I mean, motherfucker's trying to come up off
Speaker 2: of the people that ain't. That wasn't done by nobody
Speaker 2: I could respect in this industry. That was done by uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the man, that was put together by the man,
Speaker 2: that was exploited by the man.
Speaker 1: And they I don't know what the ticket prices was,
Speaker 1: but I could imagine.
Speaker 7: But you don't think that was a good thing. I
Speaker 7: think that was a good thing overall. No, overall it
Speaker 7: was a good thing. But for them to do it wasn't.
Speaker 7: I would have rather seen Red Alert do that. I
Speaker 7: would have rather seen Ralph McDaniels do that. I would
Speaker 7: rather see.
Speaker 2: Somebody in the culture win from that, rather than these
Speaker 2: entities the vampires come in and do that and then
Speaker 2: not really respect the actual culture and not value the culture.
Speaker 1: They came to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna say this, Both Rock the Bells
Speaker 2: and the Yankee Stadium Ship both came to me and
Speaker 2: low ball me, and I felt disrespected, Like, Nah, y'all
Speaker 2: gotta pay. Y'all can't come to me and offer me
Speaker 2: half of what I want the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: Y'all not doing that to the other groups. Y'all ain't
Speaker 2: doing that to run DMC. I know that for a
Speaker 2: fact period.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But you ana come to these other artists and think
Speaker 2: you can determine what they're worth, and that's not how
Speaker 2: this works.
Speaker 1: But who's finished. But what I'm asking Sometimes.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like the culture does deserve a pay
Speaker 3: cut sometimes when it comes from the culture.
Speaker 1: Like the fact that it's coming from l it ain't
Speaker 1: come from now. Man.
Speaker 2: Look, look, he got his own brand and his thing going,
Speaker 2: and that's wonderful. But he don't speak for me, and
Speaker 2: he don't speak for my genre or my timeline. He
Speaker 2: don't even speak for half the artists that I fuck with.
Speaker 2: You understand, I see he's speaking for queens. That's cool,
Speaker 2: But I'm from Brooklyn. I'm from I kept. Do you
Speaker 2: want to stand all the money I donetook, man, But listen,
Speaker 2: but I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't say that because I've been on one rock.
Speaker 1: You're from Queen's. Well, see, he came to you and
Speaker 1: he treated you properly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well.
Speaker 1: I took a pay cut. I did, I did, I did.
Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to say is I think that
Speaker 3: sometimes it's unfair to.
Speaker 2: Like but hold on, how you going to take a
Speaker 2: pair of cut? But he charging the ship out the audience.
Speaker 1: I just can't tell.
Speaker 2: I Well, see I can. I could tell anybody, no, nobody,
Speaker 2: don't run. It ain't no old man on this earth
Speaker 2: above me. I'm your idol, the highest title nigga. Please,
Speaker 2: so when you come to me, step to me correctly.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's all I asked. You're a grown man. You already know.
Speaker 1: I'm toured with LL before.
Speaker 2: I mean, when I was coming out and my ship
Speaker 2: was hot on the street, he put me on spot
Speaker 2: days to sell tickets.
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the process, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm also familiar with the fact that you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. There was a lot of people that wasn't
Speaker 2: around for a very long time. But now they want
Speaker 2: to come back and take everything.
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, all right, but and Yankee Stadium was
Speaker 1: involved in that's appeal, well, he kind of that. That
Speaker 1: was Na's whole stance with em.
Speaker 3: She sham was to say that he's involved, meaning that
Speaker 3: he took the money, but like he didn't necessarily have everything.
Speaker 1: To do with the actual book.
Speaker 2: And now this is what I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 2: It's no and hey listen, even with I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: say this, even with a the bells, even with a
Speaker 2: mass appeal, these are other entities involved that are pulling
Speaker 2: the strings.
Speaker 3: Period. Prove me wrong. But Massive Pill got a hip
Speaker 3: hop museum. I feel like they're a museum.
Speaker 1: All of that shit is appropriation. Bro.
Speaker 2: It's museums everywhere, museums popping up everywhere, museums overseas, museums
Speaker 2: every fucking where.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: That ain't nothing but another person doing what they got
Speaker 2: to do to make money off of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Wow. That is not the participants of the art.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Call me when read Alert got a museum, what.
Speaker 3: Would you have done different if they came to you,
Speaker 3: like you said, you curated right, So if they came
Speaker 3: to you, if Yankee Stadium. They got mass appeal to
Speaker 3: take out rock the Bells at L let's say, just
Speaker 3: Yankee Stadium right themselves said Yo, and we've been loving
Speaker 3: what you been doing.
Speaker 1: Can this is in your hands? What would you have done?
Speaker 2: I would have contacted all the artists that deserve to
Speaker 2: be recognized and I would have gave them recognition and
Speaker 2: participation in the event.
Speaker 1: At what they asked, artists, you have booked? Yeah, I can.
Speaker 2: But that's a whole love. Uh, that's a fucking assignment
Speaker 2: like that. I gotta dig into my I gotta ship.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean just in general, I don't even
Speaker 2: know who was there who was not?
Speaker 1: You feel me?
Speaker 2: I saw some flyers you know this and that and
Speaker 2: the third Yeah, who Hurk is everywhere? Respect shoutouts to
Speaker 2: cool Hurk. And I'm gonna just say, man, who Hurk?
Speaker 2: You know he's he's Jamaican. He brought his set outside,
Speaker 2: he had a party. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 2: did what Jamaicans do. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they appreciated that in the Bronx and
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they attribute that to hip hop. Are
Speaker 2: you trying to say that's like normal, that's that's what
Speaker 2: we do, that's what's been doing.
Speaker 1: Come outside the big speakers.
Speaker 2: If you look at all the speakers, even in the
Speaker 2: historical photographs and ship you see the Jamaican flags on
Speaker 2: them and the horns and yeah they sound they sound
Speaker 2: system they sets. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's that's a that's
Speaker 2: a part of the that's a part of the culture.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. All Right, I think crazy
Speaker 1: like said something like that. Like you just said, yeah
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of parties around that time.
Speaker 2: Well, what I want to say, yeah, party is a party.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to blame anything on one party. But
Speaker 2: what I do want to say is I hear a
Speaker 2: lot of people talking about, oh, well I invented this,
Speaker 2: and I invented that, and I invented that. Come on, bro,
Speaker 2: y'all need to ease up. Talk to DJ Hollywood man. Yes, yeah, man, man,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's good. We can all have a
Speaker 2: credit for our contributions. But when you start talking about
Speaker 2: you inventing ship, like go patent something.
Speaker 3: And when you say DJ Hollywood was that technically the first.
Speaker 2: He well technically he can break ship down as a
Speaker 2: og and that you know what was happening during that
Speaker 2: time because a lot of people claiming a lot of ship.
Speaker 1: You feel me and I respect everybody. I respect the.
Speaker 3: Lessons they say Cochla rock was the first time the
Speaker 3: folk first the see but then I'm hearing like as
Speaker 3: far as rocking the party, DJ Hollywood was the first
Speaker 3: person like to want the mic.
Speaker 2: Well, see, that's between them. I wasn't even there. I
Speaker 2: wasn't even there. But I do know a party is
Speaker 2: a motherfucking party. And unless y'all started a part, like
Speaker 2: the whole concept of having a party, I mean, talk
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: Because essentially that's when they say hip hop was born
Speaker 3: out of a party.
Speaker 2: A girl, I don't think it was just the party.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he was bringing the breaks
Speaker 1: back and forth at that party, at that party. Yes,
Speaker 1: what there's what is being said. What do you believe?
Speaker 1: What a special?
Speaker 3: I believe what I believe aliens came down as came
Speaker 3: down right now, especially how the hip hop gets start.
Speaker 3: What would you say?
Speaker 2: Okay, there was a whole lot of crooners and people
Speaker 2: making records, rapping right as far as having parties.
Speaker 1: Yet cool Hurk is from Jamaica.
Speaker 2: And then Jamaica they bring the sound set outside because
Speaker 2: you have a lot of oppressed people. The South Bronx
Speaker 2: was an oppressed people at that time, but Jamaica has
Speaker 2: been an oppressed people in a third world country. And
Speaker 2: how they find peace within themselves or a little happiness
Speaker 2: out of life, it's through the tunes and through the
Speaker 2: bringing the sound system outside and playing, and that's what
Speaker 2: that's what's been going on. So Hurt brought the same
Speaker 2: thing to the Bronx. That's amazing, wonderful. Thank you cool Hurt.
Speaker 2: We love you and we appreciate you. I love and
Speaker 2: appreciate everybody. But I just want to get the notion
Speaker 2: and the concept that you know, this is not one
Speaker 2: action started this, not one I don't think one party
Speaker 2: specific started this. It's the whole concept of bringing some
Speaker 2: sort of happiness to a desolate environment, bringing people together
Speaker 2: to unify.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you go to a third world hut. You've
Speaker 2: you've been to Jamaica, You've seen.
Speaker 1: What it's like. Well, how did they bring peace?
Speaker 3: They blessing Cryptis, diplomats and Republicans there we are, I said.
Speaker 1: Diplomats, same same way, same gangs.
Speaker 2: They talk about gangs, this and that and the third
Speaker 2: where gangs started, and this and that. Third shit is
Speaker 2: very political and historical. Think I'm saying politics definitely like
Speaker 2: Jamaica politics.
Speaker 1: But ay wait, I think something important that Grandmaster Cas
Speaker 1: told us and mc shyrock. Okay, they said hip hop
Speaker 1: didn't invent anything. It reinvented everything, right, that's my point.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a specific or particular invention.
Speaker 1: I think that they reinvented everything.
Speaker 2: And then the art form of sampling and reinventing music
Speaker 2: and reinventing the rap.
Speaker 1: And the way we record and poetry is tom riots.
Speaker 2: Come on, now, we're talking about ancient shit, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. We're not talking about some shit that's
Speaker 2: fifty years old. Were talking about some shit that's thousands
Speaker 2: of years old.
Speaker 1: You understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, simply when they were saying that. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I love them all. I want them all to get props.
Speaker 2: I want them to get paid. How about that? How
Speaker 2: about we fucking make sure who hurt gets paid? How
Speaker 2: about DJ Hollywood gets paid? How about everybody that did
Speaker 2: not get paid gets paid? Period? Give them something, give
Speaker 2: them royalties. You got sponsors. You got these people doing
Speaker 2: these big ass concerts, making millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: The older stadium. I saw it and said, fundraiser. I
Speaker 1: guess we gotta look into what the fundraising was. Oh,
Speaker 1: ain't looking at this ship. Yeah no, I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: into it. I don't want to go through investigation. But
Speaker 1: my thing is the people. Should the people, yeah, exploit?
Speaker 2: Should the people have to pay more for us to
Speaker 2: celebrate our anniversary?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it should be free?
Speaker 2: Right, billions of dollars later, fifty years later, you made
Speaker 2: billions of dollars. You can't throw a free fucking concert
Speaker 2: for the people. Pay the artists and let the people
Speaker 2: in free. What the fuck?
Speaker 1: What are you celebrating?
Speaker 3: It's true, but a free concert and Yankee Stadium might
Speaker 3: be a little loose.
Speaker 2: Nah, use the same staff, same staff. And then they
Speaker 2: climited tickets. They mean they sell their hot dogs and beer, right,
Speaker 2: niggas love them glizzies. You only got so many tickets.
Speaker 2: You're talking about a billion dollar industry. Yeah, first, first serve,
Speaker 2: sign up whatever, have two concerts three? I don't care.
Speaker 1: You know, great story, he said, I'm just sticking.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, man, that that's that's how you show
Speaker 2: your appreciation by you know, and the government needs to
Speaker 2: treat I mean, whether it needs to or not.
Speaker 1: The fact is hip hop is really is the number
Speaker 1: one cultural export of the United States exactly, traveled the
Speaker 1: world ten times over, exactly, So why not celebrate for real.
Speaker 1: That's not a celebration.
Speaker 2: That's an exploitation, that's an opportunist Come on, bro, I mean,
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 3: To agree with you, and not agree with you to
Speaker 3: a certain extent, but I also want to see the good.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: No, I see the good. I see the good that
Speaker 2: we here fifty years later and we're doing it right.
Speaker 2: But I also see where they ain't doing it for everybody?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, period, I put in work.
Speaker 3: But isn't that like with everything, like like somebody's always
Speaker 3: gonna get Yeah, someone's like someone's always like recently recently.
Speaker 2: Oh, but it's come to the point, hold on, it's
Speaker 2: come to the point where they appropriating and certain OG's
Speaker 2: and legends can't even get into the events. True, they
Speaker 2: can't even go to the events. That's disrespectful, okay, but
Speaker 2: how the are you going to talk about?
Speaker 3: Definitely advocate for a second, because the other day they
Speaker 3: had Queensbridge Day, right, and on Queensbridge Day they had
Speaker 3: they hired Big Daddy Kane and they hired somebody else,
Speaker 3: so they actually didn't hire no one from Queensbridge. But
Speaker 3: I had to listen to their complaints and I'm listening
Speaker 3: and tragedies are a close friend of mine of the
Speaker 3: tragedy was like, yo, he kind of didn't want to
Speaker 3: He didn't he say. He said that Caine invited him,
Speaker 3: but he said that when he got there, he kind
Speaker 3: of didn't even want to hit the stage. He was
Speaker 3: just like, yo, I just he wanted to be there
Speaker 3: and supporter Kinge right, but not in the support of
Speaker 3: the hood. But but what I was trying to explain
Speaker 3: to him, which which I had nothing to do with,
Speaker 3: well that has what I was saying.
Speaker 1: You could take it from there.
Speaker 3: What I said to him was like, yo, a lot
Speaker 3: of the times it'sould be an outside promo to how
Speaker 3: you was just saying. And it's like people from Queensbridge
Speaker 3: are going to them like a curator.
Speaker 1: They don't know who to go through the cure rate.
Speaker 3: It's just saying, whoever can get in contact with these
Speaker 3: artists right, and then that's how it's happening.
Speaker 1: So that's the problem.
Speaker 2: The problem is the organizers, the organizers or whoever it
Speaker 2: gets hired to do the task, and sometimes they're putting
Speaker 2: the wrong organizers in place, and they're not respecting the
Speaker 2: culture or where they at.
Speaker 1: Like it took Caine from Brooklyn to know.
Speaker 2: To invite a queensband guy right Trad to the event
Speaker 2: instead of the organizers saying Trad very correct, you're a
Speaker 2: community leaders, you're og from the community.
Speaker 1: We need your.
Speaker 2: Extra p we need you whoever, we need you, havoc,
Speaker 2: we need you feel me. But instead y'all just go
Speaker 2: with whatever.
Speaker 1: And that's been happening since basically since people have figured
Speaker 1: out they can make money off of hip hop.
Speaker 2: Well that's what dissected it. And that's exactly what appropriation is.
Speaker 2: That's why I said it like ten times.
Speaker 3: Now because I mean obviously, like like I see the
Speaker 3: effects of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Like, like I tell you the truth.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite places to go is to go
Speaker 3: out of the country, is to perform is because I
Speaker 3: feel like the black man is gone everywhere else but
Speaker 3: America right like it's.
Speaker 2: And that's the that's the whole reverse psychology because the
Speaker 2: black man in America is god too original.
Speaker 1: Yes, it just don't feel like it right.
Speaker 2: Well, because they came here, took our ship, and then
Speaker 2: let us think that this wasn't our ship, right, but
Speaker 2: we yeah, over over time and manipulation and media.
Speaker 3: So but when I go to like places like Europe
Speaker 3: and like that, like I can go to a club
Speaker 3: and this would be all blank right, And by the
Speaker 3: time I come in and I come out, they have
Speaker 3: Compona and Norriego all over there doing grammedy and and
Speaker 3: they break dancing, and I'm sitting back and I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck? And like I sat there one time
Speaker 3: the moota gave me my money and just disappeared, and
Speaker 3: I'm just like, where the fuck is he at? And
Speaker 3: then come to find out the end of the night
Speaker 3: he had all types of paint on his hand. This
Speaker 3: motherfucker was actually sitting there.
Speaker 9: And ship and then motherfucking and then he didn't set
Speaker 9: it up for for as soon as us to walk out,
Speaker 9: it was to be a breakdance carser as soon as
Speaker 9: we walked out.
Speaker 1: So me and walked out, and these guys are.
Speaker 3: Just breakdancing and just battling like it's b Street. But
Speaker 3: in Europe and I'm like hip hop is living out
Speaker 3: and sat.
Speaker 1: Let me speak to that in the Vatican.
Speaker 2: In European countries they worship mellenated people, yes, but here
Speaker 2: in this country is the opposite because they mind fucking
Speaker 2: us and took our land and took our country. So
Speaker 2: they can't educate you and worship you at the same time.
Speaker 2: They oppressing you. But all around the world, and they've
Speaker 2: done it already all around the world. But the history
Speaker 2: is known. They're educated. They know who the mellenated are.
Speaker 2: You understand, but they can't tell you that here. Can
Speaker 2: they tell you that here? And you figure out who
Speaker 2: and what you are, it's over for them, you feel me.
Speaker 3: I remember going overseas when Obama was in office. That
Speaker 3: was like the first time I kind of didn't feel racism.
Speaker 2: They was like, oh baba.
Speaker 5: I was like.
Speaker 2: They didn't really know like that. That was like racist.
Speaker 3: It's like anything they see the black person, it's like America.
Speaker 2: I was like America. It's like, I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: they secretly worship you. Yes, they they kiss your statues,
Speaker 2: they pray to your images.
Speaker 1: You understand me.
Speaker 3: Been in Japan. No, okay, Japan is like that for
Speaker 3: the black man. I'm telling you. That's why you look
Speaker 3: at step.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: The world is like that for the black man, the melanated. Okay,
Speaker 2: the whole world is like that. But here in America
Speaker 2: they cannot do that. It's the opposite, right, because they
Speaker 2: were still under the mind control. Well most are. I
Speaker 2: ain't under ship. I know why.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesus on the three right.
Speaker 3: Amen, Listen, if you had anything to do over, what
Speaker 3: would you do over?
Speaker 1: What would I do over?
Speaker 3: Mmm?
Speaker 2: Just maybe some of the business some of the business
Speaker 2: moves that I've made, and some of the deals that
Speaker 2: I agreed to, are the deals that I made I
Speaker 2: would change, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about it.
Speaker 2: Otherwise, life's experiences make you who you are, right, And
Speaker 2: if I changed anything other you know, I might not
Speaker 2: be have the same perspective on mindset. You feel me
Speaker 2: because because I think a lot of people come in
Speaker 2: the game with a strong mind, but then they get
Speaker 2: let up. They get you know, delusion by whatever. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Drugs, fantasies of you know, delusions
Speaker 2: of grandeur. Yeah, shit like that. And then they turn
Speaker 2: into something else. They save themselves. You feel me. It's
Speaker 2: about how can I win? How can I save myself?
Speaker 2: How can I become rich? How can I get the
Speaker 2: mansion in the yacht?
Speaker 1: You feel me? And they forget about the plight of
Speaker 1: the people.
Speaker 2: They forget about their families, They children run, You feel me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? If you? If you? If aliens came down, I
Speaker 1: know touching this. I love aliens.
Speaker 3: W Aliens came down, and I want to learn hip hop.
Speaker 3: And you have one album to give them, Just one
Speaker 3: album for the Aliens to go back Intoday's spaceship or whatever,
Speaker 3: the Martians, whatever.
Speaker 1: My ship, youngest in charge.
Speaker 2: The first thing that go is I'm your idol, the
Speaker 2: highest title held. Yeah, yes, I mean, I mean you know.
Speaker 3: Because I honestly you know, I know we've been playing around.
Speaker 3: But you looking so good like Kelly's young brothers. Like
Speaker 3: how you can maintain this type of regimen because like
Speaker 3: you said, I think you say it's fifty one and
Speaker 3: you're looking like you fucking fucking twenty one.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to look for the Beijing. It's not
Speaker 1: coming out us, No, it's not coming out.
Speaker 3: Real.
Speaker 1: Wea one thing is. One thing is genetics. That's for one.
Speaker 2: For two is exactly what you put into your body,
Speaker 2: what you consumes. No, not yet. I'm kind of more
Speaker 2: pescatarian issues. Okay, but I'm more conscious. I'm more conscious
Speaker 2: than anything, you know what I'm saying. When we're younger,
Speaker 2: we tend to eat anything, and we eat anything they sell.
Speaker 2: But when I was younger, I was conscious, and I
Speaker 2: stopped eating pork at a very young age, a boxtail.
Speaker 2: I stopped eating beef. I stop eating pork. I stop
Speaker 2: eating chicken. For the most part, I eat chicken sparingly.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that much.
Speaker 2: But the fact is, the fact is I'm drinking the
Speaker 2: proper liquid. I don't funk with sodas and all that. Fruits,
Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables, fruits and berries. Vegetables is what you eat.
Speaker 2: You are what you eat. The energy you get when
Speaker 2: you eat fruits and a salad.
Speaker 1: It's way different than you eat a play a steak
Speaker 1: and you go to sleep. You understand. So you have
Speaker 1: to deal with reality.
Speaker 2: Now, you have to deal with what's going to sustain
Speaker 2: you and keep you alive and keep you in good
Speaker 2: physical condition.
Speaker 3: I said, you make it what was the hardest food
Speaker 3: to cut off by?
Speaker 1: Just the beef? Oxtail? I love pepper steak. I used
Speaker 1: to love pepper steak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, oxtail, curry goat, come on, man, yeah, I
Speaker 2: stop all of that. I might once a year, I
Speaker 2: might eat my mom's curry goat. She'll make something and
Speaker 2: I eat some curry goat once a year. But even
Speaker 2: when I do that, it's different. I feel different, smell different.
Speaker 2: But you have to know what these things do inside
Speaker 2: your body. They stay in your body, they rot, and
Speaker 2: that cannot be good for you or your digestive system.
Speaker 3: I tell you, I was vegan for like eight months
Speaker 3: to a year, and the favorite foods I ever ate
Speaker 3: when I was had that vegan expirits had always came
Speaker 3: from the island and came from vegetarian Delight. It's a
Speaker 3: place out here. They coconuts. Well, it's all Jamaica. It's
Speaker 3: all seasoning, right. Seasoning determines everything. Like I love salads,
Speaker 3: and you can just put whatever dressing you like. But
Speaker 3: I love like when I say I love salad, I
Speaker 3: love salad.
Speaker 1: Man and fruits. Fruits is the best ship on the
Speaker 1: earth of your kale. Guy nah kale is cool.
Speaker 2: I put everything I like spinach, lettuce, romaine, spring mix,
Speaker 2: and I do a little bit of food science, so
Speaker 2: I don't do too much iceberg, lettuce and ship that
Speaker 2: has no nutritional value.
Speaker 3: Water.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, you just have to understand
Speaker 2: what you're eating and how it helps you.
Speaker 1: Okay, and do that.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: You know I'm into you know, the ginger, turmeric, all
Speaker 2: kind of shit, lemon like, I deal with natural substances.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: That's what we have to get back to, is ship
Speaker 2: with one ingredient. What it is You eat an orange,
Speaker 2: you know, it's a fucking orange, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But you eat some other ship. It got a whole
Speaker 3: list of ship on way too much. There you go
Speaker 3: big up money love too. She's she's like on that too.
Speaker 3: She's Jamaican too. It's your Jamaica's with the good jeens. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't get it twisted, and some Jamaicas some fucked
Speaker 3: up geens.
Speaker 2: Now, it's an individual. It's how much you care for
Speaker 2: your data, mind, your temple, and your consciousness of what
Speaker 2: you are doing to yourself. It's just like me, stop.
Speaker 2: I stopped drinking. Yeah, I used to drink. I stopped smoking. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I used to smoke so.
Speaker 1: And not all the time. Was I who I am?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 1: You take edibles?
Speaker 2: No, I don't even do edible because because I stopped drinking.
Speaker 2: Because alcohol, alcohol causes poor behavior. Alcohol is poisons. And
Speaker 2: would you drink a whole bottle of cough medicine at once?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: That has that has a that has a percent of alcohol. See,
Speaker 2: you also got to be mobile. You gotta a body
Speaker 2: in motion, stays in motion, So you gotta do shit too.
Speaker 1: I walk, I ride bikes, I swim, I do whatever
Speaker 1: you feel me. I love the ocean. I love the ocean.
Speaker 2: So who you battling in versus? First of all, I
Speaker 2: just call you right now. Say if Swiss called me,
Speaker 2: he got to tell me a dollar amount. Damn period.
Speaker 1: I need to hear about the money. I need to
Speaker 1: hear worth.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this for TV. I don't need to
Speaker 2: be on TV like that. I've been on TV for
Speaker 2: thirty years. I'm not doing this just to have an
Speaker 2: episode or some shit on TV. I'm doing this so
Speaker 2: because I respect what y'all doing.
Speaker 1: And we appreciate that.
Speaker 2: And you have to tell your story or else somebody
Speaker 2: else wanna try to tell your story. So I'm here
Speaker 2: to inform.
Speaker 1: I'm here to educate and let it be known. But okay,
Speaker 1: let me just ask.
Speaker 3: Let's supposed Swiss call you and say, on special ad,
Speaker 3: I want you to pick your oppony. Who would in
Speaker 3: your mind? You say, all right, I'm supposed to dollar
Speaker 3: mint is great, right, dollar mine is great? I pick anybody.
Speaker 3: I don't give who would you pick them?
Speaker 2: Swiss? Do a poll, y'all, niggas, do whatever y'all want.
Speaker 2: Put whoever you want on that stage. Okay, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm gonna get them all bucks shorty. Hell yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: I'm versus with anybody. That's the point.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm versus with anybody.
Speaker 2: Y'all pay me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 2: I'm versus anybody who else is as I'm versus in anybody.
Speaker 1: Now. Daddy came win already though, No, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying for him. I just want to Granddaddy, you would
Speaker 1: have been a good one. Granddaddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh oh.
Speaker 2: Man, listen, I verse I ain't no challenge. That's the
Speaker 2: whole point. That's how I got where I am today
Speaker 2: because I ain't turned down. No, I used to walk
Speaker 2: down the streets of Brooklyn and just run up on
Speaker 2: Cypher's like me, Skinny. I used to be like a
Speaker 2: buck thirty, like skinny, little nig like I run up
Speaker 2: on anybody and battle anybody matter of fact. When I
Speaker 2: first got to Erasmus at first, yeah, when I first
Speaker 2: got to Erasmus whole high school, my first week in
Speaker 2: high school, I looked for the nicest MC and I
Speaker 2: battle him for his name.
Speaker 1: Damn straight for the name.
Speaker 2: I'm going for the Gusto jail style mentality. We're gonna
Speaker 2: wear the hardest way where it's at.
Speaker 1: Okay, come on.
Speaker 2: So that's what I did. Man, I wasn't I challenged anybody.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I walked down the street.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fu how tough anybody. Look, I'm
Speaker 2: taking titles out here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, you.
Speaker 3: A motherfucking legend. Man, I'm so glad you got to
Speaker 3: sit down with us. Man, just let you know this
Speaker 3: is your platform. If you want to come in here
Speaker 3: and promote pink toenails. We don't care, like we don't
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 2: Promoted lady, but you know we.
Speaker 3: Want you to know, man, because you know, in our
Speaker 3: our our genre, our music, so many people want to
Speaker 3: say that you got ten years or more, that you know,
Speaker 3: your old school and you're washed up. And I hate
Speaker 3: that because you know, they.
Speaker 1: Don't have that in jazz, they don't have that in
Speaker 1: rock and roll, they don't have that in any other
Speaker 1: job space.
Speaker 3: They don't even have it in dance hall, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: They like.
Speaker 3: So the fact that they have it in hip hop,
Speaker 3: this is something to me and my partner wanted to
Speaker 3: change from the beginning. He was just like, you know what,
Speaker 3: if we got a platform, we want to salute the
Speaker 3: people who's been there before us and give them their
Speaker 3: flowers and tell them to they face, you know what saying.
Speaker 3: So now everyone wants to give people flowers. Me and him,
Speaker 3: we didn't invent the phrase, but we may reinvent it.
Speaker 3: And you are one of the people that definitely wanted
Speaker 3: to give the flowers to because you deserve it.
Speaker 1: You are a legend, you an icon. You continue to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: You out here monkey footing the games because you're out
Speaker 3: here still throwing shows, doing what you gotta do. Man,
Speaker 3: I want to show you love. I appreciate it, and
Speaker 3: I forgot to ask what you got going coming up
Speaker 3: besides the shows? You got anything else coming up?
Speaker 2: Well, more shows I'm doing. We're going out to Chicago.
Speaker 2: What I've been doing is this stop the violence movement?
Speaker 3: You feel me?
Speaker 2: Shortly after pnb Rock got killed, Corrupt called me and
Speaker 2: he was like, yo, man, we need to you know,
Speaker 2: do something about this. We need to unify because he
Speaker 2: always called me for enlightenment. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that's a big bro. And I agreed, and I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, let me see what we can do
Speaker 2: to make all of this happen. And we started bringing
Speaker 2: everybody together on these calls for to Stop the Violence movement.
Speaker 1: And that's a part of my mission.
Speaker 2: What I'm out here to do is just utilize all
Speaker 2: of our resources and our influence to help these youths
Speaker 2: redirect their energies because their energies is up.
Speaker 1: In the air.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It's getting very negative and very very very hectic out
Speaker 2: there for kids. These is our children, man, These is
Speaker 2: like teenagers. We can't let them destroy themselves. So that's
Speaker 2: my mission. So I'm going around everywhere and I'm talking
Speaker 2: to all the kids I can, all ages, and just
Speaker 2: letting them know and based on giving them my life's
Speaker 2: experience what I had to go through, you know, from
Speaker 2: a child till now, and showing them as an example
Speaker 2: of you can be successful. You don't have to compromise
Speaker 2: your integrity. You don't have to go follow the crowd.
Speaker 2: You don't have to you know, follow the gang mentality
Speaker 2: if it's not positive, because there are organizations that are
Speaker 2: positive and have changed how they approach that whole gang
Speaker 2: quote unquote mentality. So we turning, were turning everything into
Speaker 2: a positive right now. That's my whole goal. I ain't
Speaker 2: in no competition. I don't care about the record industry.
Speaker 2: It's done enough.
Speaker 1: What did you get to that level where you were
Speaker 1: just like, you know a few years.
Speaker 2: Ago, it's been some years now. I just see everybody
Speaker 2: like it's like a rat race. I see what they
Speaker 2: do for money. I see how they use and abuse artists,
Speaker 2: and how they just undermine people's value and.
Speaker 1: The work that they put in.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, it's like shit going back
Speaker 2: and forth with og artists, pitting them against newer artists
Speaker 2: and doing all kinds of dumb shit like this is
Speaker 2: not a petition in that sense. I think we need
Speaker 2: to bring it back to something more, more more pure,
Speaker 2: man more organic, and stop stop trying to create rivalry
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: I remember me looking up to artists that came before me.
Speaker 3: Do you think these new artists they lost that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think they lost it because we're not going
Speaker 2: back out there and speaking to them and engaging and
Speaker 2: teaching them. But I do. That's my whole point in
Speaker 2: my purpose is what I'm doing with my organization special
Speaker 2: at Arts and Literacy SEAL, And that's my whole mission
Speaker 2: right now. I don't care about the music game and
Speaker 2: the industry because I know what it comprises, what it
Speaker 2: consists of.
Speaker 1: It's it's a road to destruction for most. So I
Speaker 1: ain't even worried about that no more.
Speaker 2: I'm worried about how do I change the minds of
Speaker 2: these children so that they don't destroy themselves. You you
Speaker 2: don't have to die to be famous. You understand, you
Speaker 2: don't have to die to be famous.
Speaker 3: Or get hurt or get hurt, because that's what a
Speaker 3: lot of people are doing now too. They're getting hurt
Speaker 3: and then it's like it's a vived or stabbing or
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's the mentality. It's like they're going out here.
Speaker 2: They've taken stunting to a whole other level, and then
Speaker 2: they're endangering themselves and then they have to arm themselves,
Speaker 2: which is causing more gun violence. You feel me, and
Speaker 2: then they get their feelings hurt, and then they want
Speaker 2: to pull the gun out because they feelings is hurt.
Speaker 1: You understand, that's not what this is based on.
Speaker 2: You use a firearm to protect yourself, to protect your life,
Speaker 2: not to go and threaten or endanger or take someone
Speaker 2: else's life or rob somebody. That's not what you use
Speaker 2: a firearm for. You know what I'm saying. That's called crime.
Speaker 2: That's criminal. You feel me, and we don't want them
Speaker 2: to believe that that's what they need to be out
Speaker 2: there doing.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I mean shit, I've had a fire on my entire life.
Speaker 2: I never accostant or threatened anybody with it. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's for me to defend myself and
Speaker 2: my family and what I have, my possessions. I'm not
Speaker 2: out here flashing. I've had a file since I was
Speaker 2: a teen, before I made records. You understand me, before
Speaker 2: I before the age of fifteen, I had a fire
Speaker 2: arm and I never had to pull it out and
Speaker 2: flass it. Not legally, nah, but now it's legal. Ever
Speaker 2: since I became of legal age and got into a
Speaker 2: legal situation where I could do it legally. We're good,
Speaker 2: you feel me? And that's a right, that's our that's
Speaker 2: our rights as what they call this citizens. Here we go,
Speaker 2: this is my right as a citizen. I'm just exercising
Speaker 2: my right. So yeah, so and responsibly not to intimidate
Speaker 2: or harm anybody.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing they out here, trying to intimidate and.
Speaker 2: Harm people and broadcasting it and broadcast Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: not what we want.
Speaker 1: That's not what we own, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We want to just teach the kids better from a
Speaker 2: young age so that they don't grow into because once
Speaker 2: they become a teenager and they mindset and they ready
Speaker 2: to go, they ready to go to so so I
Speaker 2: try to get them a little earlier.
Speaker 1: And even with the teens, I talk to them too.
Speaker 2: But once they gone and they you know, clap that
Speaker 2: thing a few times, they get that energy, Yeah, they
Speaker 2: go to their heads.
Speaker 1: So we got to stop that.
Speaker 2: We got to prevent that, you know, and the one
Speaker 2: thing I can say, and the one thing I would
Speaker 2: love to say, please, And I would say to all
Speaker 2: the youth out there, all you thugs, have you ever
Speaker 2: pointed your gun at someone else other than your own
Speaker 2: brother or sister?
Speaker 1: Have you ever ever?
Speaker 2: No, I don't see you pointed at anyone else except yourselves.
Speaker 2: You might as well point it in the mirror, you
Speaker 2: feel me, because you're only killing yourselves. You're not standing
Speaker 2: up for yourselves against the real oppressors, against the real
Speaker 2: people that are really oppressing you and taking from you
Speaker 2: and causing you to be in poverty. And in these conditions,
Speaker 2: you're not pointing a gun at them. You pointed at
Speaker 2: your own family. Don't point your gun in no mellenated people.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. Stop pointing your guns at melaninated people.
Speaker 2: That's like killing yourself, and don't. I don't want you
Speaker 2: killing yourself, right.
Speaker 1: Damn, man, that was that was hard. I don't even know.
Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 3: Man once again, especial that man. We appreciate you mas
Speaker 3: coming through man. Like I said, this is your house, man,
Speaker 3: anytime you want to come and promote it. Man, I appreciate,
Speaker 3: we appreciate, we appreciate you showing uh the ogs that
Speaker 3: you can actually still maintain into this this environment. And
Speaker 3: I really want to respect your company because that's what
Speaker 3: artists should be taking care of artists.
Speaker 1: From the beginning, I knew that.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that you actually had a company that
Speaker 3: was catering to towards that. So I knew that from
Speaker 3: from from from the first person, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 3: he kind of like did everything everything I asked for,
Speaker 3: Like he already did it.
Speaker 1: So I love that man.
Speaker 3: I just want to continue to support you. Get all
Speaker 3: bless this man. Like I said, give you your flowers,
Speaker 3: my brother.
Speaker 1: Dave Man, I appreciate it. Got that flowers.
Speaker 2: Wow.
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