WEBVTT - Episode 380 w/ Special Ed 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:17.160 He is drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary queens rapper. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:18.960 He ain't agreed. That's your boy in O R E. 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.439 He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What Up it's DJ. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.840 E f N. Together they drink it up with some of. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:26.400 The biggest players, you know what I mean. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.800 And the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:31.960 source for drunk. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:33.920 Fast drink chants. Motherfuck post every day. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.320 Is New Year's s E. Listen, it's time for drink champs, 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.160 drink up, motherfucking. 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:46.159 Mother would a good be hoping he's gonna should be. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:47.879 This your boy in O R E? What Up? 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:48.960 Is DJ E f N? 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:49.479 And this is. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:55.520 Motherfucking classic drink Chess make And right now, when I 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.200 tell you, man, this man basically raised me with his music. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:00:59.040 Man legend. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.720 This man has been out here, you know what I mean, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.200 a monkey foot in the game for years. We've been 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.200 working out to it all week, listening to his music. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.640 Just the brush up on what's going on. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:12.600 Man. 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.080 The man is. It's a legend of legend. He's an icon. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.480 His wordplay, the ship that he was doing back then, 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.920 Holy moly, guacamole is still doing now still got festival, 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:24.399 still got. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.800 Shit going on. In case you don't know the fun 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:26.920 we about. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:31.560 Now. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.600 This is a song where I was going through your catalog. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.120 This is a song immediately and never go back? 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.800 Yeah, Man, is that? 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.680 Can I live sample? Nah? 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.920 Can I live sample? Never go back? 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.920 That's what I'm saying, That's what I mean. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.560 Well, I came out first with it. That was produced 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.240 by hit Man How We Tea? And first, let me 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.240 just tell T send my love and respect in regards 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:55.640 to hit Man How We te Man? 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:56.680 He changed my life. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.920 He changed a lot of people's lives man, but mind 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.080 especially Man since I was fifteen years old. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:03.440 Wow. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.639 He's also produced for Chub Rocks absolutely chub Rock, Little 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.400 Sean Pumo, Whistle U TF folder, Real Rock Saying, and 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.720 the list goes on and on. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.880 Yeah, So let's let's get back to what we were 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:18.600 talking about being for that. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:24.600 Never go back the sample. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.320 Because I'm listening to it. Wow, did Jay get that 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:26.800 off for you? 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:28.080 Absolutely? 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.200 At least at least I did because I put it 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.600 out first. I mean, the way it goes and hip 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.400 hop is when you hear something and then. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.800 You do it. You did it based on what you heard. 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.079 Is it. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.520 How we did that, I don't know. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.000 We could look on like Isaac cays, you can look 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.800 on whose sample or whatever, but yeah, how we I 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.119 just coming, I just come in the studio, and how 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.800 we got it playing. I actually wrote that joint in 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:55.720 probably about thirty minutes the whole song, because that's how 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:56.560 charged I was. 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.440 Off the beat. I was like, oh, this ship is hard, and. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.280 It's the kind of yeah, it's the kind of vibing 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.080 level you could really kind of freestyle. But there was 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.680 factors involved. He was at the time, he was working 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:11.600 with Little Vicious. Yeah, so I threw them in there. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.800 Donovan shout outs to the hustler. You know what I'm saying, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.079 and that see you got the Saint Norir hosest. 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:21.200 All praises. 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:33.120 Do I need one man sat ed candle burn that 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:34.160 shit all day? 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.760 Yeah. I'm Jamaican ja. 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:38.600 Yeah. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.280 And that's one of the reasons why my first record 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.800 I said I'm not a Puerto Rican because coming from 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.240 Brooklyn and so much cultural diversity in the New York, 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:55.720 everybody thought I was everything Dominican Puerto Rican every day. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.320 So I had to kind of dispel that one time. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.200 But I never got the answer Jamaican from anybody, right. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.680 Because I always I mean, listening to your music, we 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:08.720 always hear when you pick up the flat buysh and 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.960 all that. I always thought that you were Guyanese. I 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.040 always thought that to me, Guyanese like Jamaica's cousins. 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.360 Right, well, we's all from the Caribbean. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.400 It's all the Caribbean, same areas, you know what I mean, 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:24.920 Puerto Rican, Cuba, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just the colonizes. 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.640 I believe language the colonizer spoke right right, yeah, I believe. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.000 The first time I met you, I said, are you 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.839 a Puerto Rican? I was like, this motherfucker said that ship. 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.719 He's not a Puerto Rican. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:40.720 And I said, listen, all right, let's let's. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:41.360 Do you know. 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:48.000 You have arguably one of the best beats ever made 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:48.640 in hip hop. 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.279 Howie Tea once again? 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.039 I got it made, how made ty? How We Tea 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.720 changed my life. He actually produced the entire first album, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.440 Young and Youngest in Sharks, and at the time I 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.360 was fifteen years old, so I was just really r 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.240 y Ronan. But I was actually going through the crates 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.919 with him and I was doing some producing myself, and 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.839 he actually wanted to give me producer credit and I refused. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.640 I was now, man, I was like back then, yeah, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.280 back then, because I was just honored to have. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.800 Him, as you'd have been the first, off, daddy, the first, like. 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:25.160 I am the first. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:30.440 I am unequivocal. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:33.400 Me now. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.159 And in terms of that, now, let's talk about that 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.720 we are we invented all that remix ship period, so 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.480 they could claim whatever they want, but how We Tea 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:47.800 was the one. How we remix everything, and not just 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.720 for me, for every other artist as well. So when 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.760 they talk about remix this and we the remix that, no, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:58.920 y'all not man, how we Tea Brooklyn, New York, let's go, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.120 it's like Harry. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.600 I can't even put it on blasts. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.599 And so last night, because I got the worst phone 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.320 in the world, I'm gonna send this to hash. You 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.960 got the better phone, right, I mean, yes, this. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.120 Was this last time we tea to remain one. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:13.920 Kids hooked up so you could play it. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.880 Your little Bobby, how did you guess? Connect you and 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.320 Howie te how we tea? 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:25.279 Howie Tea lived across the street from my first cousins flat, 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.880 So yeah, so we grew up right across the street. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.960 From each other, and they were friends, family friends, so 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.800 I seen it, neew them all my life, like when 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.960 they first came out, we'll like get tough in like 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.039 eighty two eighty three. 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:40.920 Like we was. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.200 We was there. I was there when it was making. 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:45.599 He's brock cousin. 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:50.800 Oh okay okay, And I believe actually little Sean had 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.799 to bring him to Howie he you know, he was bashful. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.640 I guess you know what I'm saying, But I wasn't. 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.640 So I went to my cousin and I was like, yo, 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.200 take me across the street. When I was little, they 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.839 used to hold my hand to walk across the street. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.920 No, I was that little, was always was. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.840 But that's how long I've been around how we tea 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.640 and production and all that stuff. So they used to 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.120 take me across the street to watch them make mixtapes. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.480 They used to have to set outside and DJ and hap. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.400 Yeah, because they used to have the crew out there 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.480 with the mics, And to me as a little dude, 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.840 it was like incredible. I was like, oh ship, they 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.480 up here performing in the driveway in the backyard type shit. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:41.840 But they making mixtapes. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:42.320 I mean. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.760 And that was my first real hands on exposure, and 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.400 then one time he made a mixtape and he remade 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.200 the Bubble Bunch Beat. Shout out to Jimmy Spicer Man 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.520 because that's my other biggest influence because he was from 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.640 Flatbush two he was from Brooklyn and super round Bubble 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:04.240 Bunch Dollar Bill y'all. Yeah, that was Jimmy Spicer Man. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.120 I used to listen to that religiously. 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.480 So you said you had You just did a concert 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:09.160 in Cony Island. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.640 Oh yeah, I curate. I do concerts. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:17.600 I did Coney Island Hip Hop fiftieth with Summer Stage 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.760 with City Parks Foundations. Yeah, and I got another one 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.200 coming up on Sunday. I'm doing a Native Tongues tribute 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:31.080 with Red Alert, Jungle Brothers, Chili, Black Sheep, Dress, Money Love. Yeah, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:38.199 Sunday Sunday Sunday was incredible. I had an incredible line up, man, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.880 and it was a bunch of cl smooth, nice and smooth. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.760 It was a man I got a flyer, but my memory, 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.120 but it was like twelve acts on it, even even 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.800 Joe Skie Love Oh wow, yeah, yeah who I had 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.840 on this Sparky d Yeah, sweet Tea. 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.120 What's up with's moving? 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:57.760 P rock Man? 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.880 They can't get along. Well, I'm I don't know, man, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.160 you know that's between them. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.360 But I do know that I'm you know, family with 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.800 both of them, and I always encourage them to get 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.920 the people what they want because that's what it's about, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.800 you know what I'm saying. Anytime I see discord, you know, 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.600 I know what that's about. You know, we donet been 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.280 through it. I don't been through it. I've been in 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.040 this game over thirty years, so I know how to go, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.640 you know what I'm saying. And the most important thing though, 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.040 is not to destroy the brand, the legacy, because that's 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.240 what the people want. Sure they'll enjoy you separately, but 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.199 at the end of the day, it's really about that. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.719 Yeah, that original energy. You know what I'm saying. Do 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.280 you recognize Flat Push anymore? 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:39.760 Do me? You? 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:40.560 Oh? 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.760 I recognize it. But I'm in awe of all the 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.480 buildings they put up and the whole is out. I 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.160 don't know if they got whole foods, but they got 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:53.560 a whole foods look alike Flatbush and fall Time, Yeah yeah, 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.840 and they got a whole bunch of little eateries and shit, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.160 it's so many other ethnicities there. Sometimes I think it's 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.520 police man, Like, what the funk going on? Is this 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.880 an operation investigation? 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.480 Because I used to go to Brooklyn around the eighties 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.360 and and things like that, and I would never since that. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.200 It's a place called Dumbo in Brooklyn. Have you ever 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:15.040 have you been to Dumbo? 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.760 Yeah, Dumbo is all under the Brooklyn Bridge. But that's 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:22.040 man by the days, back in the days, that was abandoned. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.920 That was like really it was warehouses. We actually shot 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.679 Crookling down there. Get the fun out of here, man. 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.080 Crooklyn was shot in Dumbo. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:29.800 It was. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.319 Oh, buck shot in Master. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.360 Ace was on the show in Coney Island, and we 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:41.120 did Crookland absolutely shout out of the buck shot at Ace. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.480 See my memory. I'm getting old, but you know, I know, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.040 I know what we're doing. Oh yeah turned saint nor 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.480 no man so because I'm not gonna lie. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.280 But but Brooklyn is still Brooklyn though, like like you 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.199 you still get it because like this is place in 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:00.880 Dumbo and. 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.000 I enjoy going to Dumble. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:03.600 All that is on the other. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:04.280 Side of the side. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.640 They still haven't given a proper. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:10.160 Attention to the rest of Flatbush, Brown Bill, East New York, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.520 Red Hook, even Coney Island. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.040 Like it's even though they fix up the park. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.000 In the beach and the second did a couple of 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:18.360 things Coney Island as well. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:18.640 Well. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.160 Absolutely, I mean everybody's trying to do what they can 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.199 for this for the town. It's just a matter of 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.480 the city actually putting those dollars into our communities and 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.240 not just where they gentrifying, you know what I'm saying 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.360 that that's what's happening. And we gotta as a people 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.719 understand how this works. We have to go to the 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.040 city planning meetings and see what's happening. That's how they 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.640 come in and moving by everybody out because they know 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:43.480 what's going to happen. 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.880 That's exactly that's how it's going down. Yeah. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:51.360 Yeah. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.199 And the thing the thing about that is you have 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.439 to sample our record because if you try to get 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.520 the original, you ain't you ain't gonna it ain't gonna 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.240 sound like the sample because of how we processed it. Wow, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.920 it's an og production secret behind that. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.000 So no matter what if they try to go to 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.720 the original, they still have to go to the. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.120 Original that y'all made, right, because the original, when you 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.240 sample it, it ain't gonna have that picture or that 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.360 tone or to it, it's gonna sound totally. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.480 Look, I just want you to look read the message. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.360 He just sends me this record out the blue and 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.000 there's no look, just out the blue. That's the record 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.760 right there. And I say, I say, crazy, crazy crazy, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:40.640 and interview specially add tomorrow it's good. Wow, we're dealing 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.680 with we're dealing with natural and supernatural forces. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:44.920 Right that was? 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.800 That was like I was like, cause I was like yo, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:47.560 And you. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.000 Know, usually I put out uh when I interview an artist, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:52.800 I'll say, you know, you got questions for him, but 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.760 I didn't do that to this morning, so there's no 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.040 way that he could understand that. I was like, Yo, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.679 the snetic energy is working man. So so how many 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:01.960 people have sampled that record? 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:02.360 Man? 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.400 I can't start the count. Wow, bunch like a dozen 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:07.360 from R and B. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:08.520 To hip hop. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.599 Yeah, and a lot of them is you know, unreleasing 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.719 new artists that you might not hear, but you know 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.280 they've had some that have gone a little bit and 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.400 got a little airplay, a little buzz. But me personally, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.800 I feel like I don't touch that record because it's 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.240 a classic, right, and I don't want to even you know, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.920 tarnish the reputation. You know what, you know, it's the 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:37.199 killer though, the killer is the killer bought to that is. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.920 I recorded this song at fifteen years old. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:43.160 I wrote. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.760 You are Stupid before I wrote it prior to recording, 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.080 So when I wrote that was probably between yeah, yeah, thirteen, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:54.280 fourteen years old. 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:54.680 Okay. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:55.199 Yeah. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.920 To describe the session, you go to Hobbie t Yeah, 0:13:58.160 --> 0:13:59.480 and he's already got to be playing. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:01.000 I got it made. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.079 Yes, I believe we went through the digging and the 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.440 sampling because I heard the process. I heard of how 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.720 he truncated it and chopped it and s now fifty, I'm. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.920 Gonna get y'all a little, a little Joels. You know, 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.040 s now fifty got some tools on it. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.640 So yeah, he went through that and chopped it up, 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.080 and I was like, oh, yeah, that's hard. Oh and 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:23.000 then what I started doing was piecing together my braggadocious 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:23.600 round right. 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.400 You know what I'm saying, because that was the style 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:27.360 back right right right. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.000 Well, see, it was either gonna be a story or 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.160 I'm a diss you, or I'm a talk shit, right, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.920 So I said I'm gonna talk shit. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:40.400 Yeah, and I got it made. Yeah, that's it. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:46.880 Yeah, but that record has outlived the test of time. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:47.480 Amen. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.720 Like I don't think there's no party in the world. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:52.760 I was gonna say America, but I don't think there's 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.600 no party in the world that you can't put that on. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.040 And everyone knows that record. 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:58.040 Well, well, you know what it is. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.880 It's about programming. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.280 So the same way they programming negativity, I was programming 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.200 positivity and empowerment. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.920 I'm your idol, handled right. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.800 So when you say those words, you're empowering yourself. You 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:18.120 manifested greatness, godliness. You feel me. So that's what that 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.080 was really about, and that's why it resonates in my opinion, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.520 that's why I still resonate the way it do. And 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:28.120 then in addition, I wasn't talking brand names and dating myself. Wow, 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.760 you'll free no free advertising, y'all ain't free advertising? 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.160 Okay, then I was not. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.120 I was never into that you feel me? And I 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.680 was ghost writing too at that age. Like when I 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.920 was fifteen years old, I go, so I wrote a 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.080 record for the real rock sannes. Oh wow, right, and 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.000 they never pay me. So I like, fuck ghost. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:59.360 Like you're rocking little your rocking kids records. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.600 You know what I'm saying that Robin kids Man who 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.000 was Select Record, wasn't that game? 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.880 Oh yeah, Redmano owned it. But Chuck was on Select 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.040 and I think was Utfo on Select. I'm not sure, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:14.440 but there was some a lot of There was a 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.680 lot of artists. Yeah, he had a good catalogue. You 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.560 know what I'm saying. He was just a fuck fucked 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.160 up business man. You know what I'm saying now, It 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.080 was you know, thank you for going to there. Now. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:26.480 It seems like. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:33.240 From the Melly Mail days, right, yeah, up until eighty 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.600 nine's and then in the nineties, I would say to 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.760 past ninety five, the record contracts got got better. What 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:42.800 was these record contracts like when you when you. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.040 Guys, Well, they were trying to take everything and then 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.880 they were to give up. Yeah, they was trying to 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.480 take the publishing. And I was like, nah, they got 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.720 it was oh yeah. I was explained by my lawyer 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.400 because what happened is I read it for myself and 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.680 then the lord young age you hell yeah, that's the 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.119 hen Look. I read it for myself and what I 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.280 did was I questioned certain things because it was assigning 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.040 rights to people. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.720 I'm like, they ain't right. My shit, So why is 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:14.440 they getting this? 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.639 And then what I was told was that for the 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:22.040 record deal, that's their interest is the publishing. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:27.560 So I had to give up half of it. You know, well, 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:28.480 this is the thing. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.960 Now. The management I had at the time was trying 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.440 to take the other half, and I was like, hold 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.400 the fuck up. They ain't write my ship and why 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.960 are they interested in my publishing? I was like, nah, 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.639 what do I get if they get fifty and they 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.119 get fifty or the fuck I'm left with? 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.200 So I was like, nah, they dead on that. So 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.240 I got my fifty and then the label got fifty. 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.760 But as far as points, they was on, did they 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.840 pay you for the that they took? 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.600 No, they ain't paying me. It's part of the deal 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.080 and whatever's coming in for it was part of the contract. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.320 This was fucked up. Yeah, it was fucked up worse. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.440 It was like Motown for hip hop you feel me? 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.960 And then you know that was the terms. And the 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.679 points was like twelve points or some shit over one 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.520 hundred points out of the guns. Wow, so a point 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.120 is a percent of y'all at trying to figure it out. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.160 So when they say point, they just fancy talk four 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:20.119 percent and. 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.200 I heard you say earlier, My bad for jumping around. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.080 You heard it say earlier. You say you've been in 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.720 the game thirty years. Now over, it's these albums reverting 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:28.480 back to you because we. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.280 Heard about to right now. Because I don't follow all 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.600 my paperwork for the revers it thirty years. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.800 It's thirty five. I believe it. You just told us 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.520 I've been hearing thirty five. I always heard it with thirty, 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:40.920 so it changed. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.200 I just got to read read the laws. Okay, the 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:48.120 copyright at thirty. You can begin the process, okay, all right, Yeah, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.040 you can begin the process and start filing your paperwork 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.080 and sending your letters out. So I did that like 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.480 three four, five times. I'm making sure I get my ship. 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:56.920 Wow. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.199 So so what happens if you get your back? Oh, 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:01.880 I get all my ship back. 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.520 And then you can you you you take these albums 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:05.960 and then you essentially put them out. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:07.080 How does how does that work? 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:10.520 You own all the rights to it, all the publishing rights, 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.720 all the mechanical rights, and you are able to now 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:15.760 have ownership of your material. 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.879 You could now at wants to do a deal with you, 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.560 like to put it. You would be the licensing right 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:22.960 and right now. 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:25.440 I still get paid fifty percent, but they do the 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.479 admin and then do that, so you don't know how 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:28.920 to shake them up for my ship. 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.040 Yeah, Like I just finished shaking them up for my 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.000 ship for real. But what do you mean like what 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.560 they had the weight hand? Can they're holding his money? 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.840 I mean a lot of people sample, but the money 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.200 come from different places. So I get my money from Sony, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.760 but then profile still got an interest in it, and 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.560 I gotta go be like, Yo, where my bread? 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.720 Bro? You know what I'm saying, And then they send 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.040 me some bread, right goddamn it, man, goddamn. 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.000 I had to learn patients though, because I wasn't that 0:19:57.160 --> 0:19:59.520 patient back in the days. Man, it was really about 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.280 to go down. They sold out their back as well. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.640 Yeah men, yeah, well time Tom all. 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.760 Okay ship shit he said time? Yeah you said, Tom, 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:09.439 Well not. 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:16.160 That time. They are up to their thirty something rights 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:16.600 as well. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:17.760 They had to fight for it. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:21.520 Was the time was I believe I believe their deal 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.520 was messed up. I believe they explained it that time, 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.240 because I believe they split. They split that twenty five 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.320 percent that was left of they publishing. I believe I 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.920 might be misquoting them and they split that twenty five 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:32.719 amongst themselves. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:33.679 So that's what happened. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.000 Yeah, so that the label's interest is your publishing, so 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.480 they tried to take as much as they can and 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.320 then whatever it's left, you have to split as a group. 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.359 You know what I'm saying. And I was a solo artist, 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.760 so you know what I'm saying. But yeah, damn so how. 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.800 About and you said how we tea produced that whole album? 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.640 Absolutely so did how we team make out good? 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.880 Or yeah, how we making out good? 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:56.960 We tee you all right? 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.800 And he split publishing too, okay, okay, and that's how 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.160 go oh he has to producer portion? 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:05.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.960 Hell yeah god that You artists gotta listen to this 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:09.760 ship because it is real. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.640 Man, And they've been taking advantage of artists for years 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.879 because there were no standardizations, there were no rules. 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.560 Whatever the whatever you signed for is what the deal 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:22.080 is then. 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.840 But as time progress and we start knowing our worth, 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.760 just like with the shows before, we getting whatever the performing. 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.960 Now they getting a million dollars to perform, feel me 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.240 half a million dollars a million dollars to fifty one 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.119 hundred and fifty. They getting real numbers to. 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.720 Perform, right, Yeah, definitely, yeah, to get it out. So 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.480 let me let me ask you, how did it feel? Man? 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:50.399 I was a kid, I'm forty five years old, I'll 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:55.000 be forty six September. But me watching this and me 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.399 seeing these records, like, how did it feel back then to. 0:21:58.440 --> 0:21:58.880 Be the man? 0:21:59.000 --> 0:21:59.400 Back then? 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:01.600 Hip hop really madtered? 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:02.399 You know what I mean? 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:02.640 Good? 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.720 But I was always grounded because I knew what entertainment 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:07.919 was and what it consisted of. Man, And I never 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.480 let that shit get to me in that way, you 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.480 know what I'm saying. And I was never one of them, 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.560 you know, one of the bandwagon type people. I never 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:22.919 followed other entities and other racial identities down those roads, 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.480 like I ain't let nobody lead me in, you know, 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.280 because I was already being abused since the beginning. So 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.119 I was watching everybody like the fuck away from me. 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.600 And it's that situation. So I kept I kept a 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:40.480 real perspective on everything. I knew what media and marketing 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:42.320 and all that was, and I knew what it made you. 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.359 I knew how the people reacted to you. But I 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:49.320 was still on the ground, looking at everything from a 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:50.639 ground view, But. 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:52.920 It had to because you know, right now, my person 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.359 couldn't continue to take a record and they throw it 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.840 out in Japan tomorrow. But back then you had to 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.080 actually go market to market to market, and you having 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.720 one of the most powerful records in the universe. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:05.320 How did it feel going to your. 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:07.520 First time the Philly or your first time to Delaware 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.640 because at the time it was just New York. Yeah, 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:11.600 if you hot in New York, you hot in the world. 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.679 But then you had to travel to these places, right, 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:15.240 How did it feel like going to these places and 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:15.960 they know who you are? 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:16.199 Well? 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.680 It felt great, man, especially when you on stage and 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.480 they singing the songs with you. That's a feeling you 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.320 can't you know what I mean, You damn you know. Hey, 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:25.640 I'm about to give y'all a mic. 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:26.560 You feel me? 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.960 So it's one of those feelings. It's just still knowing 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:33.280 the other end in the back end. You know, you 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:35.840 can't abuse your power, you know what I'm saying. And 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:38.080 that's what a lot of people go too far. They 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:42.280 abuse their power, and you know they don't they don't 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:46.439 respect the game. They just run, I mean until they 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:51.360 fall and break their fucking ankle, right, so let. 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:55.879 Me now, it's admission not a small time thing. That 0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:00.320 video was like the first time I seen a theatrical Yeah, 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.879 and and in in videography cinema, like you know what 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.119 I mean, like in black cinema, like like like it 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:08.960 was like a movie to. 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.520 Me watching that that then and I see that that that. 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.360 Video to me Birth like the Biggie Smalls videos where 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:17.720 he's like, you know what I mean, like like the 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:18.840 movie style videos. 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:20.520 Was that something you planned on doing? 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:20.840 Well? 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.720 I think that stemmed from think About It. 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:29.480 They Think About It, had the hovercraft, the helicopters, and 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.080 then it went into the mission where that was another story. 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.600 It was chases and all kind of stuff going on. 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:38.520 Karate fight yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think it 0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:43.320 just went into that direction. But Cheacob Bruce, a female director, 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.000 is the one that Birth and came up with the 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:50.080 whole treatments and the video for Think About It. Oh wow, 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.600 And that's the one where you know we went on 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.040 the whole chase and it was actually the whole theme 0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:00.480 of it was Bud mcmilman. He probably did in Peace, 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:04.159 but the old man, the old dude, he was like 0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:09.600 the symbolism of the hierarchy of the industry, and he 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.560 was kind of trying to destroy my career in the 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.400 video this is it is about. And so he sent 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.760 these henchmen, which was two black dudes to chase and 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.400 ruined my career, feel me. So that's what it was about, 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.080 about the white man hiring two black men to go 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.800 ruin my career, feel me. And they started chasing me 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:36.000 through the streets on boats, on hovercrafts, on helicopters. 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:39.240 All the ruined me. So that was the storyline. 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:43.600 But it birthed that type of dramatic scenery and the 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:49.399 whole theatrical elements, and yeah, you know, everybody started getting 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.240 real theatrical with their videos. 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:52.600 I feel like you birthed that. 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.160 I feel like those two videos, like you said, think 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:59.280 about it, and and the fact that those budgets were 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:02.000 open for I forgot. It was like to be continue, 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:04.280 wasn't it. I'd like to be continue. I feel like 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.879 you grated that well cheek of Bruce Man. 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.080 I gotta give it up because at that time, once again, 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.879 I didn't come up with the treatment I was. I 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.240 was sixteen that by then, you know what I'm saying. 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:19.439 And I never shot a video or directed or produced 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.119 a video on my life. So all the praises do 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.480 the cheek of Bruce a female director. 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:25.240 You feel me? 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.720 How come him when they were sixteen? They were so 0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:31.520 bright and he's sixteen year olds fucking high? 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.840 Well, what happened is because back then we was actually 0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:40.320 going through a struggle and it was actually real economic 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.440 hardships that we had to overcome. I could see him 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.119 being from Queen's Bridge, queen Bridge still fucked up. 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:47.159 You feel me? 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:50.359 And me coming from Brooklyn. We're trying to find a 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:53.000 way out of the debts, you know what I'm saying. 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.399 We're trying to find a way out of poverty and 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.760 not jumping into poverty and then having the resort to 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.800 doing wherever youbody else in the street doing robbing people, 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:06.080 selling drugs, going to jail. You know what I'm saying, dying? 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:06.879 You feel me? 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:10.159 So it was for me just trying to find a 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:12.960 reasonable solution where I ain't got to watch my back. 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:14.680 You know what I'm saying, Well, I still got to 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.400 watch my back, but not in a negative way where 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.119 I've done somebody some wrong. 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:19.720 Feel me. 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.000 I'm not out there doing crime, selling drugs, looking for 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:23.720 the police. 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.520 I don't give two fucks about the police. Ain't nothing 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.800 on me. But what examples did you have at that 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.080 age that At that age. 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.359 The examples were everybody dying and going into you just 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:35.960 didn't want to do that exactly. 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.960 I was not going in that direction, you know what 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:40.520 I'm saying. And it was easy. It was easy to do. 0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:42.520 I mean, there was access to everything. 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:47.200 We had opportunity, but me knowing better and having four 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.000 older brothers to learn from as well, because they all 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:52.560 went through those pitfalls, you know what I'm saying. 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.640 And I was like, no, I'm not doing that. I'm 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.960 not going to jail, I'm not going to die. 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.520 I'm not standing out here on the streets selling drugs, 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.280 you know what I'm saying. And to me, that wasn't 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:05.960 enough money because when once you re up, you left 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.680 with a couple of dollars, you're gonna buy sneakers like 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.399 I wasn't with that. I need real money, you know 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.800 what I'm saying. And I ain't working for nobody. I 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.440 ain't working for them. I ain't working for nobody think 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:20.320 they're gonna work me or rule me. Ain't nobody ruling me, 0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:22.720 you know, I feel me ain't no man above me 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.240 on this earth period. And that's how I feel about 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.320 it all, you know what I'm saying. So I found 0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:31.200 my own way and my own path to do it intelligently. 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.879 I felt like I'm smart enough and intelligent enough to 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:35.280 get it like anybody else. 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:42.320 Goddamn. Now, how did you get the name special AD? 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:44.080 Was you in special AD? 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.680 Nah? Man? Because I was a special and resource room 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:49.040 and I probably amen. 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:55.720 Okay, hey, how that go? How that go is? 0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:57.560 Obviously my name is ed. 0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.080 But my man e Dot came to me, he got 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.800 from Flatbush, and he was like, Yo, you should call 0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:07.320 yourself special LED. I had a personality you feel me. 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:11.280 I wasn't in Special LED, but I had a personality 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.720 like a motherfucker. And at the end of the day 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.360 after he said that, I thought about it, and I 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:17.400 could have took it two. 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.719 Ways, but I was like, nah, this is my bro. 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.640 He ain't gonna be town. 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.040 Special education was frowned upon. 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.680 It was frown upon. But I thought about that, and 0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.160 I was like, you know what, fuck that? 0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:33.960 Because for one, I can change the dynamics of how 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:37.600 it's perceived, and for two, I'm gonna teach y'all. 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.480 Motherfucker something, and for three, my. 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:43.880 Name ed and I'm special, So it was way too 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:47.720 many reasons why I should as opposed to watch. I'm 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.200 just fuck what class y'all think, I'm in whatever, whatever, 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.320 y'all gonna know how intelligent I am when y'all hear 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:54.080 this shit or when I speak. 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.840 So I wasn't really worried about that. And I think 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:58.400 that whole special. 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.880 Led thing is just you know, their way of saying, 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.320 we don't know how to deal with that's all. We 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.200 don't know how to deal with this because some ain't 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.720 nothing wrong, ain't nothing wrong with you. It's just a 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:15.200 matter of not being the common every day motherfucker that 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.719 they can deal with the behavior. But I know they 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:18.080 was lying. 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:19.920 And sometimes it's what you say. 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.320 Sometimes they want to railroad you because you got a 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.920 brain and you got a voice, and you have an opinion. 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.400 You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's it's how they 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.720 set you back. When I want to bet award, we 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.880 wanted to bet award. I grab my thing and I 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.120 was like, everyone, there's a special education. My DMS lit 0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.440 up from all the special education teachers. 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:47.880 It was like use speech. I was like, I think 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.200 it's just part of that, you know, it's part of that, 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:54.360 like the School of Prison pipe right right for basically 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:56.240 what it what it is, It's part of the School 0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:58.880 of Prison pipeline. Other than there are some kids with 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.680 special needs and don't have you know, don't have it 0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:06.240 together where they need that extra attention. But half of 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.240 the kids is just they don't give a fuck. They're like, 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.400 y'all talking to me crazy shit like that. You know 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.440 you ain't dealing with that. I feel you, And that's 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.000 why I took the name. I was like, you know 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:20.040 what fuck that I'm special at so what that's right? Goddamnit, 0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:20.600 I'm taking. 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.880 So look, you're still really young coming out of the 0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.720 gate Lyrically something is inspiring your or is it really 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.000 just coming out of your own ether? 0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:36.480 Well, like I was inspired by Yeah, I was inspired 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:40.280 by the Ogs, like I said, Jimmy Spicer for one, 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.800 because Jimmy Spicer put out a fifteen minute record with 0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:45.680 like ten stories in it. 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.880 And because you definitely come from a special ad of storytelling. 0:31:49.640 --> 0:31:54.880 Storytelling, so he inspired me on the storytelling special my 0:31:54.960 --> 0:32:00.320 bad because he told stories about Dracula, about different and shit, 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.240 and it was right creative. It wasn't just like some 0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.680 you know, it wasn't boring. It was humorous, it was creative, 0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.960 and that inspired me. And then I listened to shit 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:14.520 like you know, Mellie Mel Curious five and the message 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:19.120 that inspired me, Howie t CD three Get Tough, that 0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.920 inspired me. So it was the content that inspired me 0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.440 more so. And I was like, damn, I gotta be 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.040 saying something. I got to amuse you know what I'm saying, 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.720 confuse and all that. I gotta tell a story, you 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:34.920 know what I'm saying. Like even the mission that wasn't 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:37.920 the original story that was now. I had an original 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.240 story that I submitted, but it was too hardcore, so 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.360 they made me do it over and then I had 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.400 to do the song over and that's where the mission 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:48.880 that we all know came from. 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.640 You know, that's a very interesting question because a lot 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:53.880 of people should say back then that the record labels 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:55.800 had more of a control over the music. 0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:56.959 Was it like that back then? 0:32:57.080 --> 0:33:00.360 Like, well, it was they there wasn't a bunch of 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:03.960 explicit records like this. Now you could say anything because 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:07.520 there's no label control at all. And then the labels, uh, 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.160 you know, came up with their agenda later, but back 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:14.040 then in the early eighties, they definitely didn't want They 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.760 wanted songs that could play on the radio. They wanted 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.160 songs that they could sell openly. They didn't want a 0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:23.120 bunch of hardcore ship. So really, until n w A 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.640 came out, they had a certain level of discretion. But 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:28.400 what what what? 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.880 Because you came out of eighty nine, correct, yeah, eighty nine, 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:32.920 So then what what what? What? 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.520 W came eight nine and I think the single, the 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.760 single was eighty eight, the album was eighty nine. 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.040 Yeah, it was the single the police knowing no, it 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.800 was my single, I got it. Yeah. 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.840 But then n w A came out and they ship 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.040 was hardcore, and I was like, see they could say 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.960 what they want, right, but the label didn't want to 0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:56.040 market me in that way. And I had I had 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.320 hard ship, like I was a battle rapper on the street, 0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.200 so that's what I did, and they didn't want that. 0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:06.680 They wanted commercial belt. Yeah, making belt. 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.160 I had a few. I had a future making belt 0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:17.600 yeah yeah, everything the ratchet to Ratchet and the switch 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:18.200 blade in. 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:19.879 The belt yeah yeah yeah yeah. 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:24.759 Flat was a wild hell yeah yeah, Flatbush myself yeah 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.200 for real, and he Hall was I'm gonna tell the truth. 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.040 He Hall was like one of the worst schools in 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.040 the city, especially when I got in there, Like they 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:35.040 had big ass gaping holes. 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.880 In the walls on the hallway and the boards. It 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.000 was like, you motherfuckers, what you're doing here? 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:40.919 Yeah? 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.279 Serious, So we had to deal with that, and it 0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:46.799 was But when you in it and you that young 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.319 and you feel this, it ain't nothing. But thinking back 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.680 as an adult now, I'm like, come on, y'all had 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:56.360 a budget cleaning ship up back then. Yeah, me and 0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:02.239 Buster Rhymes went to elementary school together, the school like 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:08.359 this is and Walt Whitman Junior High School especially as well. 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:12.360 But yeah, we definitely went to school together, came up together, 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:16.520 and you know, and and Rampage lived across the street 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.120 from the school too, and he was a little younger, 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:22.279 he like a year or two younger than us, But 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.440 Rampage two came up in the neighborhood. 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:28.239 Did that help the native tongue affiliation because Buster was 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.200 considered native tongue, right, Yeah? 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.759 Probably so. I don't know, though, I mean, you know, 0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:36.719 they had their own vibe with the leaders of the 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.240 new school. I think Chuck bred them. Chuck d shout 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.840 out to Chuck d. He bred the leaders of the 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:44.600 New School. I think came up with the whole group. 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.919 He named name the group right in the group. So yeah, 0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.560 and the busters from around my way. What happened is 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.400 he moved to Long Island and then that's when he 0:35:56.520 --> 0:36:00.400 started rapping and came back and you know, back to 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:05.160 the hood. Yeah right, you ever throw hip hop VI 0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.080 this far? Man, not this far, but this is billions 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.080 of dollars later. I knew it was something though, because 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.360 of the energy that it had and the way it 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:18.799 brought everybody together. Because even just to be honest, hip 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:23.600 hop brought everybody together Black people, Hispanic people, white people, 0:36:23.920 --> 0:36:27.799 all people through hip hop, and that was the one 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.480 thing that could do that. Like not many things was 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:34.160 bringing people together that way, aside for money, but hip hop, 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.479 just the music and the vibration, you know what I'm saying, 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.440 united people. So I knew it was very strong. But 0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:43.080 until I saw when I saw a run DMC, I 0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.439 knew there was a plan. I knew something was gonna 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.279 pop because it had a frenzy. It just like it 0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.359 took it to TV. They was a helicopters, they had 0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.480 the big chains, they was doing Madison Square Garden. I 0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:58.160 wanted to be on the Fresh Veest. I was rapping then. 0:36:59.040 --> 0:36:59.799 I guess I was too. 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.520 I mean, yeah, yeah, I appreciate run DMC, but I 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.239 couldn't really like I mean, they kind of hushered in 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.080 that global the glow. 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.759 Yeah, you know movement of hip hop. Yes, of course 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:13.919 Bambada and then were doing it before, but I feel 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.000 like run DMC took it. They took it to the 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:17.560 next level commercially. 0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.640 Yeah, and that and that's one of the reasons why 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.400 I was eager to sign with Profile Records because that 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.520 was the label that's signed to. We were on the 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.480 same label, and when I was like Profile, I was like, oh, 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.719 that's right. They could do for me what they did 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.600 for run DMC. So that's why I jumped on it. 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.319 I was like, hell yeah, but you know, me going 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.080 through your music and me listening, Yo, you sound like 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:40.280 absolutely nobody. 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.600 How come you was a hot m C back back 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:45.040 then and still is? 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.439 But right right now, I can listen to fifteen people 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.200 that's out all. I can't even that's right now though, 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:53.480 that's right now that you know what I'm saying. 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.680 If you blindfold me, I'm like that's him. 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:57.520 Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him. 0:37:57.840 --> 0:37:59.400 Like right now, I can listen to your voice, I 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:01.640 can listen to this great voice. I can listen to EPMD. 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.440 I will not say that they sound like anybody. How 0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:05.960 come it was like that back then? And how come 0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:06.879 it's not like that now? 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.040 Because we all wanted to be original, we wanted to 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:15.000 own identities. Now it's a bandwagon effect. It's like, oh, 0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.880 this sold a million records, let me make a copy cat. Yes, 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.200 So it's really about cloning right and making it a 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.240 commodity that makes money. The industry doesn't care about the culture. 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:28.200 They just like this works, okay, keep going right going, 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:30.760 and they keep pushing out the same shit back to back. 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:35.319 Right, what happens to this artist? Because I remember La Red. 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:38.239 I remember me going to see La Reed, right, me 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.279 picking a single off of my album, Me saying yo, 0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:42.000 I wanted to go with this album, and La Reed 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.360 saying I think you should go with this Automatically, I'm like, 0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.799 all right, cool, let me go with him. Because if 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.200 I make a mistake, then then it's your miss then 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:55.200 it's my mistake. He makes a mistake, where's the artist 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:56.160 that stand up to that. 0:38:56.640 --> 0:38:59.920 Well, the independent artist now they put out whatever the 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.719 fuck they want. However, with a train air and the 0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:09.960 understanding of the way, you know, radio plays and marketing goals, 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:13.239 you got to have something that is listenable, that is 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:17.279 digestible to the audience, and something that you could play 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.799 like you want something you could play on a soul 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.200 train or you can play on television and it's not risky, 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:27.400 you know, and it's not destructive. But now destructive is 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.520 selling all day, that's what they's selling. 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.120 Are you listening to any new music now? 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:37.399 Be honest, I barely listen to music. Brokay, Okay, he's 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:37.880 kind of new. 0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:39.160 I mean't. 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.680 I don't listen to any particular artists. I'm gonna keep 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:45.160 it real. I don't have nobody album. I don't google 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:49.560 nobody name. What I might do is put on like 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.000 my R and B shit like I like, if I 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:53.959 could listen to something that calmed me down. 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:55.239 That's what I listened to. 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.560 You taking your girl to show my wife? 0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:01.160 Nah, I ain't taking. No. I don't the concerts unless 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:08.240 I'm in them. No, I said, you're just mad niggas wiggas. 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:09.320 Serena. 0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:11.680 I don't even I don't even know what happened. 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:12.440 But I don't go. 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:17.880 I don't go to concerts. I'm sorry. I don't go 0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:18.799 to concerts. 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:21.120 I don't go nowhere. I'm not getting paid. 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.719 I's just doing ure is going. 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:25.880 He's performing. 0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:29.200 Whoever is like girls in the ground, He's going to 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:30.399 them and singing to them. 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:35.839 You got it, you got it bad. See well, he's 0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:38.040 an R and B crewner. I know usher since he 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:38.760 was a child. 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:39.360 Damn it. 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.399 His mama introduced me to him when he was a child, 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:45.640 goddamn it. So you know, I wish him all the 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.680 success in the world. Whatever tactics he feels he needs 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:52.399 to use to make money and stay famous. Oh he's 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:53.759 doing it more power tool. 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:56.160 I just meant for me. 0:40:56.320 --> 0:40:58.400 I don't go to any concert that I'm not a 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.800 part of or getting paid. Sometimes, however, I may have 0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:05.000 good friends that are performing, and I might go, like 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.600 I went to a New Addition concert just to see them. 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:09.360 I fucks with them. That's not people. You know what 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:09.680 I'm saying. 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:11.279 If we need you up here, but you ain't going 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:12.200 to the Drake concert. 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.240 Oh you know what. When I was in New Orleans 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:18.440 one time I went to a Drake concert with some 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.239 friends just on the random, really, but it was just 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.120 me falling in because that's what they was doing. But 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:26.960 like I said, I don't really go to concerts like 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:28.200 that too often at all. 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:28.400 Man. 0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:30.560 I don't look for it it, don't you know. I 0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.120 ain't got nothing to do with me. You know what 0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:32.520 I'm saying. 0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:34.879 I go with it, I go away. 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.680 I'm picking up that back in. You know what I'm saying. 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.759 If I'm throwing the concert, as in the case with 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.439 the City Parks and my concert, I got one coming 0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.279 up Sunday, you know what I'm saying, shout outs to 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.719 the violators. Rest in peace, baby, Chris. I'm doing this 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.920 for y'all. Man, I'm doing this for Red Alert. And 0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:55.880 that's pretty much it. Man, that's a concert. 0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:59.279 Let me let me do recommend two concerts for you 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:04.400 would like to attend. I didn't see the fifty and Buster, 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.960 and I believe Jeremiah I was on that tour. I 0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:11.600 didn't see it wasn't physically there, but I last stream 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.560 it every fucking night. It's fucking awesome. But I went 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:18.040 to the nas and the Wu Tang Joint, and I 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:19.480 kid you not, I. 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.480 Went to one of those when the game, the Charlotte 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.680 my Man, my Man divined com. He was like, yo, 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.200 we and Charlotte he just hit me today him out 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:35.839 there and Arlot Yeah yeah yeah. So basically that's it, man, 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.279 they got to invite me, right if they don't, like, 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:39.360 I don't know. 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.600 I don't know, I'm not paying attentions. I write myself though, 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:42.759 I was. 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:46.440 I pulled up on them and it was. 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.719 So dope because you know, when you get to see 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.480 these groups like that, like NAS and Wu Tang, you 0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.759 would think that NAS will come out and perform and 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.120 the Wan will come out and the form and the 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.720 Wan come. No, they actually did it like as as, 0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.399 like like NAS does five songs and they come out 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.680 and it's like I was like a mixtape on stage 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.560 and I was like, oh, l roots that pretty. 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.000 It's pretty dope to yeah, yeah, yeah, well they got 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:10.560 that from us, the alumni. We've been doing that for 0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:14.840 ten years old, myself, Chub Rock, Dame to Dane Kwame, 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:19.680 Money Love and Greg Nice. We've been performing together like 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:24.560 one group for ten years the fuck because so that's. 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:25.120 Where they got that. 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:29.400 Who's the people going to say again? Special Led Chuck Rock, Dana, 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:32.719 Dane Money love mo Ma, Greg Nice Nice. 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:34.759 That's what I'm saying. 0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:38.080 We all classic iconic hip hop artists and we've been 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:40.799 doing that shit over ten years. So when they say, yeah, 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:42.640 we're doing this and doing that year, we did that 0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.680 ship already. Thank you. 0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:54.399 Yeah you're welcome, man, Thank you and your welf. It's 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.120 an honor to be honored. What do you think about 0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:03.680 hip Hop fifty? Hip Hop fifty is it's appropriation. 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.800 It's appropriation because what they're doing now is they putting 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:11.080 together these great lineups and then they're gonna overcharge the public. 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.439 See the concerts I'm doing for the fifty is free 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.480 to the public. It's free for the people. I'm doing 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.040 it with the city. I'm doing it where the people 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:20.640 could pull. 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.520 Up for free. I ain't overcharging for a ticket. How 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.080 do you get paid that? How do you make the city? 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:28.839 Okay? 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:29.120 All right? 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.719 And I pay the artists? No, but see I pay 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:39.200 the artists. Let's get that straight. I ain't saying I'm 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:44.080 saying I pay all My artists get paid period. That's 0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.719 how I operate. I've been a booking agent for overd 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:51.600 for like twenty years now. I provide income opportunities for 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:52.480 all artists. 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:53.920 Let me stop you for one second. You know what 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:58.640 I always said, memes. What's the names? M No, not 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:06.840 nims men, memes, your boy with the drags, memes. He 0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:18.279 booked us one time. Oh damn name artists, artists. When 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.799 he booked me, he did everything everything as an artist 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.880 would do us. Usher booked me. He did everything like, 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.479 I didn't ask for nothing. Artists know how the Book 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:30.720 of the Artists, right, we know how to treat other artists. 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:34.520 So I got that from Prince booked me before Rest 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:34.959 of Peace. 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:39.399 Yeah, you gotta tell us this. Yeah, he had a club. 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:41.719 You ain't gonna just say that. 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:47.040 It's just like go, okay, okay, so hold on, hold on. 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:51.040 Time you chilling in the crib and somebody say, Prince 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:52.200 want to book you for a show. 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.520 Well, I didn't even know until the gig was going 0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.480 on and they said, oh, you know that's Prince's club. 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.560 It was in that GLAMs Yeah. Yeah, glam Slam was 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:07.000 in LA back in the days. L Yeah, we did 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.400 the one. We did the one in l A, I 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:10.080 believe it was. 0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:11.680 And yo. 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:12.800 I respected that. 0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.480 I was like, oh ship, Prince got a clumb and 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.040 then he booked me and then the other person is 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:18.719 uncle Luke. 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:21.920 So Luke Luther Camp but what o g. 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.279 So so back in the days they had like the 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.279 Goomba Festival and all that, Yeah, goom bab Yeah yeah, 0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:35.400 jamaic it yeah. So so so Luke booked me for 0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:38.719 that and it was like, I was like, man, you 0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.520 you are artist yourself. So when I saw Luke do 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.880 that and then Prince did that, it put me in 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.360 the mind frame of oh, I could provide opportunities for 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.239 other artists. So that's how that came to be. And 0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.560 I just started booking all. I booked everybody. I booked 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:58.839 nas before. Yeah, I booked everybody, Lil Kim, Rock Kim, 0:46:59.239 --> 0:46:59.799 every Kim. 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.120 I don't what made you start doing that? 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:07.800 Well, just like I said, booked me, Prince booked me, 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.719 and I respected that and I thought that that was 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.640 cool that an artist would had a mindset to provide 0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.440 opportunities for other artists. So that's what I do. I 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:20.839 provide income opportunities for other artists. I've been booking, That's 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:21.200 what I do. 0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:23.640 Did you get to meet Prince? Yeah, I got to 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.239 meet him that night in the plug Yeah. 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.000 Did it taste like did it feel like velvet, he said, taste, 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:38.399 you know what I mean. 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:39.440 It was. 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.080 It was a long time ago, but yeah, we greeted 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:44.600 each other and and I was honored just to be 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.279 able to get booked by him in his club because 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:48.440 I was a fan period. 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:50.800 You know what I'm saying, He's an icon to me. 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:52.680 You know what I'm saying, He's not even in the 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:56.480 rap game, but he booked me as a young rap artist. 0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.880 So I was like, Yo, that ship like enlighten me 0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:02.920 and just just showed me that, oh, you could do 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.600 other things, you could provide you know, I provided income 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:08.520 opportunity for everybody, man, trust me. 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:08.800 You know. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:10.800 It was ill about Prince, Like he was so ahead 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.280 of his time that I heard that so many artists 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:14.720 used to come up to him and try to sample 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:15.520 his music, and. 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:18.200 He would tell them go own your masters first. 0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.600 And at the time, artists was like, were we were 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.200 so happy of getting our advents? He were so happy 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:27.120 to traveling to Japan and they said. 0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:28.160 Oh we holding long times. 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:29.080 Did y'all really say that? 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:29.840 Okay? 0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:36.080 Really like and meanwhile, but meanwhile, he was really like 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.239 the first person that was owning this advocating like even 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.440 even even when he changed his things to the slave 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:46.239 thing like that because they owned his things, Like I 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.080 didn't even realize that. So I had to change my 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.480 name from Norriega to Norway at one point I had 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:53.400 to change it because they had invested their component in Norriega, 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:54.480 so they had owned that. 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.399 So it was like it was crazy. So yeah, yeah, 0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:58.440 he was business. 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.000 He taught a lot of business lessons and advanced a 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:04.480 lot of artists understanding of ownership in the music. 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.920 Business man shout out to princeman Peace. Did you get 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.120 a chance to man think like something like that or No? 0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:12.960 It was just like not just meeting him through that event, 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:13.480 that's all. 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:13.840 You know. 0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.360 I hadn't come across him too many times other than that. 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.400 Did you meet with Donna before Donna? Madonna? 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:21.000 Madonna? 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:21.319 Nah? 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:27.120 I hadn't met like I can feel like, yeah, but 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:29.520 you know, I wasn't a chaser, like I ain't. I 0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.680 ain't fuck with people just because they did this or 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.840 did that. There had to be situations where, you know, 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:38.759 we we were together organically, you know, we met organically 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:39.520 ship like that. 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:41.000 Because I see you got to ring on your finger? 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:42.920 How long I just got married last year? 0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:43.200 Okay? 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:46.120 Way for this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you was knocking down 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:46.680 a lot of things. 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:46.960 Man. 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:52.239 Man, it's been out. 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:55.799 It's been from fifteen. I'm fifty one now, so it's 0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:56.480 been a while. 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:57.759 Man, I've been you know. 0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:59.879 And it's a thing in all community. When you got good, 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:04.320 you get some good pussy. Well see, yeah, that's absolutely correct. 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:15.040 Yeah, but we got We gotta also understand, though, even 0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:18.800 though we as a culture glorify that, we have to 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:23.240 understand who we are as men and as spiritual beings 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:27.680 and learn how to control ourselves that period and master 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.399 that because a lot of times I look back from 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:35.879 the age of sixteen when the record came out until now, Yeah, 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:37.799 it was very wild, but I feel like a lot 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:41.840 of that was also abuse, not just from them, but 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:45.200 me on my end, abusing myself like a lot of them. 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.160 I ain't had to be with a lot of them people, 0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:48.719 a lot of them didn't deserve. 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:51.440 To be with me me absolutely. 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:59.520 So you have to understand your value and your worth 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.960 and you can and it's be giving yourself out to 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:03.000 any of everybody. 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:06.760 Man, You draining your energy, you draining your spirit. 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.520 No, seriously, though, man, we just gotta be more serious 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:17.920 about ourselves and our self worth. You feel me, because 0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:20.200 I look back in a lot of people, I'd be like, damn, 0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:21.439 fun was I doing? 0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:22.200 You feel me? 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:26.200 So it's just about realizing that and not just glorifying 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:28.600 sluty ratchet behavior. 0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:30.400 Where was your favorite place to perform? 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:32.160 My favorite place? Yeah? 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:38.240 Man, anyway they paying me, that's my favorite place to perform. 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:38.919 Where our money? 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:40.120 Yeah? 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:40.839 Yeah? 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:42.040 What's there? 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.719 A lot of promo going on back then, because let 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.360 me let me lie is, let me tell you, let 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.960 me tell you what I radio. I remember for years, Yeah, 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:53.120 I would have to drop an album and I would 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.640 have to go state to state, go to the morning shows. 0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:56.839 That's going to make my promo. 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:59.759 Go to the morning shows, Go to the retail you 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:01.480 go to the marketing stores, go to the Wiz, the 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.799 Sam Goodies. I know I'm old school saying the Wiz 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:05.279 the Sam Goodie. I know they're not open no more, 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:07.359 but I'm just saying to get people. 0:52:07.520 --> 0:52:08.160 We did some of that. 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:11.600 Yeah, But I remember for the first five years of 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:13.880 my career, I wouldn't they would call it promo. I 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.320 would not get paid. But what I would notice was 0:52:16.680 --> 0:52:19.080 like the street team people were getting paid. Everyone else 0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:22.560 was getting paid. But besides the artists. Well they say 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:24.600 it was to sell your record. I ain't really do 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.720 too much of that free ship. I'm gonna be honest. 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.120 I went to a few retail spots. 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:33.120 I did some in stores, but as far as performances, 0:52:34.560 --> 0:52:36.200 very few free performances. 0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:38.040 Fuck that. 0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:41.359 Even back then, even back then, you knew you don't 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.600 pay me, damn, because y'all getting paid. Everybody getting paid 0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:48.920 to pay me to I did some radio station shows 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:52.319 that were favorable and less than I would normally get, 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:57.239 But that was for the station, for the spens, Yes, 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:01.200 for the relationship really, because it ain't directly for no 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.279 certain amount of spends. But you gain that rapport and 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.439 that favorable you know, that favoritism from the station. 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:09.440 You know, I was fucked up when I would do 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:11.879 I would do free radio shows, and then I would 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.319 see like an artist just a little bit bigger than 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.320 me going and collecting the check, and I'm like, what 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:17.680 the fuck am I doing here? 0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:20.479 Like you know what I mean, Like I went needed 0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:22.640 to do that at that time, you know what I'm saying, 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:27.439 Especially starting out, they expect that of you. But see 0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.399 my record flew off the shelf. It was all over 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:34.160 the country, all over the world. So that was the promo. 0:53:34.960 --> 0:53:36.840 So when I pop up, Now, yeah I did some 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:39.880 radio station shows, but they still had to cover my 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:42.520 expenses compensate me somewhat. 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:43.440 You know what I'm saying. 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.759 It wasn't just like all free. They wasn't dragging me 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:47.480 around like no puppy or some shit. 0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:50.719 You feel me. Yeah, now we don't do that nah 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:51.440 man oh. 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:55.320 Man, Yeah, holy shit, I'm just thinking of that times 0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:58.319 because like you got to go, you got to sell 0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:01.520 records where person have to pick your cassette, have to 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:02.279 pick up your CD. 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:04.840 Like I don't believe these streams. 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.360 I'm sorry, Like like this this kids out there with 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:11.799 forty million streams and I don't know noting one person 0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:14.520 that know one of their words, right, and they got 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:15.320 forty million streams. 0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:18.640 It's automated. It's automated. Is they buy a lot of 0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:21.839 that ship. And at the end of the day they 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:24.799 made up besides the box, they made up a whole 0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:26.879 pay structure out of fucking thin there. 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.239 Like we ain't got nothing to do with that. We 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.439 we didn't agree that, we didn't sign Yeah, we didn't 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:35.920 sign off on nothing saying that we're okay with that. 0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:36.640 You feel me. 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.359 They just decided that this is what we're gonna pay, 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:44.040 and it's like a fraction of a penny like came out. 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:48.719 Yes the radio, everybody I know, even Dresses is on 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.640 one about that. We all on well really, but they're 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.600 actually taking action, you know, And I would love to 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.280 be a part of any action because I ain't agreed 0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:58.319 to none of that shit neither. 0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:00.680 You know, Chuck d sue the whole He sued the 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:03.640 whole universal on behalf of us, and he won. 0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:07.359 Good, he won, right, I believe, so, yeah, he won. 0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.240 I don't know. I believe he only took his portion 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:15.720 on what he felt he was old. Yes, class action lawsuit. 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:20.440 I just can't believe like how bad it was. I 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.399 don't want to say bad because it did save. 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.880 It's bad right now because they getting ripped off for 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:26.879 this streaming shit. 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:29.320 It's terrible. Yeah, you're terrible. 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:34.239 Like if you made your own platform and collected your 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:38.680 own earnings off of your intellectual property, it would be 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:42.279 much more than you getting from these Spotify and all 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.520 this shit going on right now. And I don't even 0:55:44.640 --> 0:55:47.040 like name dropping fuck that, you know what I'm saying. 0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:49.840 But any of these services, they're not paying you what 0:55:50.000 --> 0:55:53.600 you weigh. They paying you what they feel like you weigh, 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.359 you feel me, So that's still unfair practice. So even 0:55:57.400 --> 0:56:00.400 though these new artists feel like, yeah, eighty millions dreams 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:03.640 and shit, yeah, but you're getting peanuts for it, you 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:07.279 should be getting eighty million dollars for your shit, you 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:08.359 feel me? Yeah? 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:08.799 Yeah? 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:14.080 Anyway, equity in those platforms, yeah, at something, but you 0:56:14.160 --> 0:56:17.440 know it's all really based around advertising and marketing and 0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:18.560 merch at this time. 0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:21.759 You know that's where the money at all your data money, yep. 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:23.080 So that's really what it is. 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:23.399 Man. 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.080 They getting money in other ways. 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:29.640 It's not necessarily for somebody just listening to They get 0:56:29.719 --> 0:56:30.319 money in other ways. 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:31.920 You talk about the artists, you talk about the labels. 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:32.600 Both. 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:34.200 Some artists are doing it. 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:37.239 Independent artists are doing it and understand it, and they 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:41.640 understand how it is. It's an opportunity to other avenues 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:44.680 to sell your merch, your shirts, your hats, your sneakers, 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:45.759 your whatever you sell. 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:49.480 Made up your saxty deal, right, he made up? He 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:50.600 make it up, I believe. 0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:50.719 So. 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:51.200 I believe. 0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:52.680 Maybe he didn't make it up like how we go, 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.800 but the people that usually go applied it. I believe 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:58.600 it's something like that. And the thing about it is 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:02.520 for me. Leo has always been a great CEO to me. Right, 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:05.640 I'm not saying he didn't have unfair practices with other people. 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:07.160 I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is for me. 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:09.880 But how did he have the foresight to see that 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:13.320 records won't sell as much as they will in the future, 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.320 so they have to start marketing because no one asks, 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:18.200 no one. You had to put people in there on 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:18.800 your shows. 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:22.720 I tell you how he knew when that MP three 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:27.000 shit started, because that was the beginning of that end. 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:31.480 That was the beginning of the end of conventional record 0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:35.680 labels and record sales because now you could share peer 0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:40.920 to peer online without paying nobody no mind, you feel me. 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:44.560 So even though they regulated that at a certain point, 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.440 then you know it was understood like, oh damn, it 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.360 ain't no going back now, Ain't nobody buying nothing? 0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:52.840 Now you understanding. 0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:54.960 Now it's even worse because they just if it ain't 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:56.480 on their phone, they ain't gonna hear it. 0:57:57.760 --> 0:57:59.680 You ain't gonna hear nothing unless you hear it on 0:57:59.720 --> 0:58:02.960 your phone house, you gonna hear it. 0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:06.160 Ain't nobody really up there on the laptop all day 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.280 everywhere they go. But they got that phone everywhere they go. 0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:14.600 So it's all mobile, it's all online, it's all technology now, 0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:17.000 and the only way to really make some money is, 0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:19.560 oh shit, I want that shirt he got on. Oh 0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:22.160 ship them kicks is hard? Let me get that oh 0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:24.680 that had his fire, you know what I'm saying. And 0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:27.400 you sell shit or drink, so whatever it might be, 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.640 it might be a bottle of this. You know what 0:58:29.680 --> 0:58:36.800 I'm saying, Well, that's exactly what it is. This marketing 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.840 is selling other products and that's how they're doing it 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:41.320 because records ain't selling you. 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:43.480 So let me ask you, Like how we spoke earlier, 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.200 you said, like me and you both agreed that artists, 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.120 you know, booking artists is probably one of the best things, 0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:50.000 right because we know. 0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:51.240 How to treat each other artists. 0:58:51.440 --> 0:58:54.600 Why isn't it more artists basic record labels? 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.360 Like I respect what Rick Ross does. 0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:58.280 I really think that he takes care of his artists, 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.720 And I respect what Yo Gotti does, really think he 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.640 takes care of his artists. And that's like it's like 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:09.760 one and so many. Why doesn't you own your own 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:11.720 record label? Why I came on their own record label. 0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:13.000 You know, so on and so and forth. 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.000 Cares one to try to like nurture these new artists. 0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:17.080 Well I do. 0:59:17.280 --> 0:59:19.240 I have an artist, City the Great. But what I 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:21.080 did more so is empower him. 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:23.760 And he has his own label, and I show him 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:28.440 how to move independently and how to be an entrepreneur. 0:59:28.640 --> 0:59:31.120 Instead of me trying to you know, own them or 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.120 diddim or some shit, you feel me, I teach him 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:36.400 how to be his own boss and how to make 0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:37.040 his own move. 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:38.560 Shout out to City the Great man. 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:44.400 And you know he's come from you know, some adversities, 0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:47.240 let's say, and now he's flying high man. 0:59:47.480 --> 0:59:49.360 He was just on the show in Coney Island with me. 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:53.400 I give him a platform, give him opportunities, and it 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:54.360 changed his lives. 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:57.640 Man. So it's the education is the most important part. 0:59:57.720 --> 0:59:57.840 Man. 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:00.800 If you can give somebody the information and help them 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:03.760 to succeed, empowerment, that's what I do. I have a 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:07.080 nonprofit organization and that's my whole life mission right now 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:11.720 is because of my life's experience as a young child artist, 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:16.560 I go out there and teach children how to perceive 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:20.400 this and operate in this landscape. It's called special ed 1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:25.520 art so literacy. We call it SEAL. Yeah, special arts 1:00:25.560 --> 1:00:29.560 so literacy seal. So that's seal Artsoliteracy dot org. You 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:32.640 know what I'm saying. And our mentor I go do 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:35.920 motivational speaking keynot speaking. I go to schools. I go 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.040 to the worst schools too. I don't care where they at. 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:39.640 You know what I'm saying. I go talk to them 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:43.040 kids and get their mind right, and so they don't 1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:46.400 come out here and end up like a lot of 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:48.960 people ending up the mortality rate and hip hop is 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:52.880 through the rule. Yeah, and that's because they're approaching it 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:56.200 with the wrong mindset. They going out here flashing money, 1:00:56.320 --> 1:01:01.400 flashing guns, behaving reckless because this no direction. 1:01:01.440 --> 1:01:04.520 But a right that that was so dope what you 1:01:04.640 --> 1:01:09.360 just said, right, because what we're saying, we're saying like that. 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:12.080 The kids nowadays they hold the money to the ear 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:14.600 they're doing. But I'm looking at the old school videos. 1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:17.880 I'm looking at them cell phones, the ones that didn't fold. 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:23.440 Yeah, I have, so I'm looking And that was a 1:01:23.840 --> 1:01:27.920 form of flossing as well back then, flossing and communication. 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:31.400 Because now you have the ability to communicate mobile wherever 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:33.840 you at and go get that money. You can be 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:37.200 out traveling and answer your phone and do business. At 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.000 the same time I was doing business, I was actually 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:41.120 the youngest in charge. 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:43.880 I was really in charge of my ship. Yeah, absolutely, 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:44.720 so I. 1:01:44.840 --> 1:01:49.000 Was making moves, making calls, making decisions. I wasn't just 1:01:49.480 --> 1:01:52.680 running along behind what people say. I never did that. 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:54.680 You know what I'm saying because I learned. 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:57.320 But what I'm saying is they're talking about the lifestyle then, 1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.680 like the lifestyle like if for some reason, and I'm 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:03.440 not trying to just the new generation, let me reiterate 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.080 what I'm trying to say. It felt like when they 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:09.080 was flassing back then, it was like a responsible flaws 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:10.960 as opposed to what it looks like. And I'm not 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:13.880 saying they're not responsible. I'm saying it looks like it's 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:17.520 just people just throwing money. Like just see kids throwing 1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:19.560 money in them all, and it's like, that's. 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:21.840 Not resk like that, that's not one in real life. 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:26.080 That's actually content driven for the grant, that's for the 1:02:26.240 --> 1:02:29.360 grand social that's for any social media, that's what it is. 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:34.440 But they don't have any social responsibility. Nobody is guiding 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:36.200 them or teaching them properly. 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:37.640 So that's what I do. 1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:39.640 I go and talk to the kids that may have 1:02:39.760 --> 1:02:44.560 an interest in becoming artists or entrepreneurs or media creators, 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:48.240 and I give them some perspective, some insight on how 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:51.360 to think, how to behave, how to present yourself, how 1:02:51.400 --> 1:02:54.040 to be professional, so that you're just not out here 1:02:54.120 --> 1:02:57.479 while they' I really needed and bond. Then you're not there. 1:02:57.720 --> 1:02:58.240 You feel me. 1:02:58.680 --> 1:03:01.240 You need to be able to survive this game. You 1:03:01.280 --> 1:03:03.200 know what I'm saying. This is a long term thing. 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:04.280 This is not you. 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:06.000 You don't want to do this for two years and 1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:09.720 then disappear. Yeah, you understand, And that's what's happening because. 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:12.760 You're doing it for six months now. Disappearance crazy man. 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:14.400 At least at least back then. 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:16.480 They had two years, you had a hit record, you 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:19.160 could go on to all you can feed your family now. 1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:22.560 And what's fucked up about it is no one's schooling 1:03:22.640 --> 1:03:24.760 these kids, That's what I'm saying, not telling them hold 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:28.080 that money, don't buy that car, don't buy that that 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:28.840 They're just. 1:03:28.880 --> 1:03:31.600 Letting them go and then that money is gone, specially 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:34.160 at arts and literacy. That's what we do. 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:37.200 We teach them better. We teach you better, and so 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:40.200 you know better and you do better and you succeed. 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:43.280 That's what I'm on. That's all I'm on right now. 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:45.840 I don't compete with nobody. I ain't out here putting 1:03:45.880 --> 1:03:47.720 out a new single, this, that, and the third. No, 1:03:48.080 --> 1:03:50.160 I'm out here talking to these kids. I'm going to 1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:53.560 the hoods. I'm on my way to Chicago. I'm in Philly, 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:56.200 I'm in New York. I'm everywhere I need to be. 1:03:56.720 --> 1:04:00.120 I'm in North Carolina, like just wherever it's at. Oh, 1:04:00.200 --> 1:04:06.640 I'm national. Nah, I'm between the South. I'm all over. Man, 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:08.840 I got a few cribs. I just chill, man, I don't. 1:04:08.840 --> 1:04:10.640 I don't even disclose that. 1:04:10.840 --> 1:04:11.160 No more. 1:04:11.280 --> 1:04:11.400 Man. 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:13.480 That's a part of flaws, and that's a part of 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:15.240 right here, come get me. 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:21.680 But but yeah, you know, I invest wisely, and that's 1:04:21.720 --> 1:04:24.320 a part of it, investing things that appreciate. Go buy 1:04:24.400 --> 1:04:26.680 some houses. You know what I'm saying. You can get 1:04:26.720 --> 1:04:28.240 a nice car, but make sure you got a nice 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:30.760 house first. You know what I'm saying, Something that's going 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:33.440 to appreciate and make you money year after year. 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:36.959 Absolutely, what are you what are you telling the youth 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:41.959 and how to navigate social media. How to navigate social media, 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:44.360 that's like the one of the biggest issues. 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:45.960 Right right It is not to be reckless, not to 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:50.280 be offensive, be mindful of how you direct your energy 1:04:50.480 --> 1:04:54.000 and to whom you direct your energy. Don't start you know, 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:57.640 don't start problems. This this kids right now that is 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:03.000 actually using social media to beef yea and to take 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:06.200 over right and to take lives. And that's you know, 1:05:06.400 --> 1:05:09.320 that's that's the misuse of it first of all. But 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:12.040 then if you think about it, that's that sound like 1:05:12.080 --> 1:05:15.120 an agenda to me. That sounds like they making they 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:18.800 designing this ship. Brother, They designing this ship just for 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:22.280 such the willing giving into it, where before we already 1:05:22.280 --> 1:05:24.400 were like nah, nah no, no, we need to do 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:26.080 better and teach our children better. 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:26.280 You know. 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:29.440 And there's a lot of kids out here that may 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:32.800 not have one or both parents, but you still have 1:05:32.920 --> 1:05:35.000 a community, you know what I'm saying, And a lot 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:37.280 of them get caught up in what they would call 1:05:37.400 --> 1:05:39.919 a gang. But you know, it's up to the gang 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:44.120 to direct them correctly and not to destroy themselves and others. 1:05:44.520 --> 1:05:46.360 You know what I'm saying, It's a responsibility that come 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:48.480 with all of that. You could be a OG. But 1:05:48.600 --> 1:05:50.600 what kind of og are you? You know what I'm saying. 1:05:50.640 --> 1:05:52.840 Are you teaching them how to make money, how to 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:55.439 get it out there and not die and go to jail? 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:59.240 Or you just sending them off to the wall. You're 1:05:59.240 --> 1:06:01.439 sending them out the door with the ratchet goat? 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:02.560 You feel me? 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:05.400 You can't do that, man, That's like you gotta be 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:07.520 a real o G. You can't just be you know, 1:06:08.320 --> 1:06:11.400 using children. You know what I'm saying, You can't use 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:14.520 and abused children. Man, that's not looked upon. You know, 1:06:14.880 --> 1:06:19.280 that's not good real so karma karma real, and you're 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:21.040 gonna get all that back, you feel me? 1:06:22.320 --> 1:06:25.120 What's your We talked a little bit before, but is 1:06:25.160 --> 1:06:27.480 there an affiliation with low lives with my boy Thirsty? 1:06:27.640 --> 1:06:31.880 Oh? Like he's the way he leads, the way you know, 1:06:32.040 --> 1:06:35.120 from showing that whole community that he was a part 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:38.120 of a different way. Yeah, absolutely, it's turning. 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:42.200 What was I wouldn't say negative because they was trying 1:06:42.240 --> 1:06:45.120 to survive, you know, and they found the lane hustling 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:47.920 gear seed you. 1:06:48.000 --> 1:06:51.200 Never shot lifted, but they did. They did absolutely, you know, 1:06:51.560 --> 1:06:52.960 and I grew up with them, you know. 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:57.280 I grew up with with them in Brooklyn, and when 1:06:57.360 --> 1:06:59.840 I came out, you know, they was everywhere there was 1:06:59.880 --> 1:07:02.800 around I went to school, My man guests actually shout 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:06.560 out to my main guests. I used to cut out 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:08.320 of school with him and he used to have moms 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:10.440 with we go to the crib. He lived on Rockaway 1:07:12.040 --> 1:07:14.520 a lot of guests. Yeah, he was, and then he 1:07:14.600 --> 1:07:16.760 lived next door to fee fee Ware. 1:07:16.800 --> 1:07:17.520 To feel. 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:22.200 Right, they was all surrounded by everybody else all low. 1:07:22.280 --> 1:07:25.600 There was low life, there was fee Low, guests, low everybody. 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:26.240 Yeah. 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:28.720 So they more more than just polo. 1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:31.040 Now, it was a bunch of it was brands, but 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:34.400 that was the lucrative brand that they could sell and 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:36.080 monetize in the streets. 1:07:36.120 --> 1:07:38.240 I like it that Ralph loren actually included them in 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:39.200 his Man. 1:07:40.680 --> 1:07:44.760 They partially responsible for the success of his brand, just 1:07:44.920 --> 1:07:48.320 in the fact that they was, you know, criminalized stealing 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:50.760 it and selling it, like they stole millions of dollars 1:07:50.800 --> 1:07:52.360 worth of that ship, but it was also wearing it. 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:54.800 Yeah, that's what we do. 1:07:55.160 --> 1:08:00.560 I was like then, absolutely, oh yeah, I'll be square 1:08:00.640 --> 1:08:03.080 mall hell yeah, Brooklyn, New York. That was that was 1:08:03.120 --> 1:08:06.400 a landmark Dad in King's Plaza. You know what I'm saying. 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:09.200 Anyway up in down Fulton Street, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 1:08:09.320 --> 1:08:10.240 downtown Brooklyn. 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:12.840 Yes, well you supposed to. Our show is about giving 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:14.200 people all they flowers while they're. 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:20.360 Alive, and we wanted to give you. I appreciate that 1:08:22.080 --> 1:08:25.600 you are I call my brother. I appreciate that. 1:08:25.640 --> 1:08:26.120 I can't wait. 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:26.599 I can't wait. 1:08:26.800 --> 1:08:29.840 And this Sunday and she said this Sunday. No, No, 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:33.400 we did cony out last Sunday. What Sunday coming up 1:08:33.560 --> 1:08:37.200 is gonna be in Marcus Garvey Park uptown in Harlem. 1:08:37.439 --> 1:08:40.160 Oh okay, Yeah, And I'm doing the Native Tongue tribute 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:43.840 for Red Alert and Rest in Peace Baby Chris Chris 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:47.879 Lighty And it's gonna feature Red Alert, the Jungle Brothers, 1:08:48.840 --> 1:08:53.439 Black Sheep Dress, Chili Money Love and yeah, we're doing 1:08:53.479 --> 1:08:56.400 it like that. And you were signing Chris light was No, 1:08:56.560 --> 1:08:58.599 it was just my boy man, like we was friends. 1:08:58.640 --> 1:08:59.439 How did y'all connect? 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:04.320 We connected through the industry through him being a violator 1:09:04.320 --> 1:09:06.760 in the native tongue. I fucked with them. They was 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:09.400 all my people. I toured with them, you know. I 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:11.960 toured with trip called quests a lot. You know what 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:14.760 I'm saying. There was native tongue too. They are you 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:18.320 feel me? And just being family. Man. We treated each 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:20.800 other with respect. Man, like I don't he done took me. 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:23.360 I don't spend the night by the crib just chilling. 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:25.120 You know what I'm saying up in the Bronx. I 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:27.160 used to be up in the Bronx all the time. Man, 1:09:27.400 --> 1:09:30.240 I went, I went anywhere. I pleased on this, in this, 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:33.920 on this planet. You look like Jesus. 1:09:34.479 --> 1:09:36.160 That's it, Jesus. 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:39.360 Hey, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I'm 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:41.240 basically like Jesus in the street. 1:09:42.479 --> 1:09:43.840 Yeah, that's that's what it was. 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:47.840 You want to heal? 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:51.639 Yeah? 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.920 How much? How much Beijing do you use? I don't 1:09:55.000 --> 1:09:58.960 use none. I don't use nothing. I'm gonna tell you. 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:01.560 I had one law the Gray here right here, and 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:04.639 I got upset when it broke. My ship broke. 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:06.360 You had one. I had one in my. 1:10:08.280 --> 1:10:10.840 I got I got a few little here and there, 1:10:10.840 --> 1:10:12.880 I think, But this is genetic, man, you know what 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:15.599 I'm saying. You know, I'm blessed thanks to my moms 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:18.560 and poss who gave the drops of Loti berries, just 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:20.320 regular eating fruits and berries. 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:21.679 I'll put the ship in my head now. 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:32.600 America girl. Yeah yeah, now that the not just the 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:35.880 mother and father gift that they gave me. Man, they 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:37.599 blessed me. But I'm glad. 1:10:37.720 --> 1:10:39.479 But back in the days, that was like the ship 1:10:39.560 --> 1:10:41.479 to have an esque girl and you got good hair. 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:44.200 Did anybody ever accused you of having the esk girl? Well, 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:45.240 now I think they could tell. 1:10:45.280 --> 1:10:47.960 They could see from you know, the grade or whatever, 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:51.440 you know, the grater heir, you know, just my my complexion. 1:10:51.439 --> 1:10:54.000 They would think I was you know, like Dominican, Puerto Rican, 1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:57.240 trinid Dad, Guyanese and those are all people with more 1:10:57.360 --> 1:10:58.559 curly or straight here. 1:10:58.800 --> 1:11:00.320 So you ain't never like act like he was one 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:01.479 of them to get some pussies up. 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:03.840 No, I ain't never had the hat. I ain't never 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:09.760 had the hat. I mean I just full back and 1:11:09.840 --> 1:11:15.640 let that. I ain't never had to do nothing for it. Okay, Well, 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:17.280 we got a game on our show. It's called quick 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.519 Time of Slim. You're not drinking, so you could pick 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:21.200 any one of these butters that drink for you. 1:11:21.360 --> 1:11:22.920 I suggest you picked the Haiti because he used to 1:11:22.960 --> 1:11:23.760 rocking Jamaican bell. 1:11:24.760 --> 1:11:26.200 He had no permission for no yard. 1:11:27.680 --> 1:11:31.760 I suggest you picked the Haitian because because yeah, yeah, 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:32.360 because he had. 1:11:32.280 --> 1:11:34.439 No permission in rock the yard mane belt. I could 1:11:34.479 --> 1:11:36.519 do it with the coconut water. No, no, no, you 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:38.639 have n't you have him take the shot? 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:39.800 Sure? All right? 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:43.160 Cool and you you you're good, you're gonna do stay cool? 1:11:43.320 --> 1:11:47.400 All right? Pumo or Pete Rock or Friend and roots 1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:49.599 a ry the spreending rum. Yeah, spending rules is if 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:52.679 you pick both, then he drinks. If you be politically 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:56.120 you reckon, you say neither, then he drinks. But if 1:11:56.160 --> 1:11:58.320 you pick one, then know what he drinks. Okay, okay, 1:11:58.400 --> 1:11:58.800 you ready? 1:11:58.840 --> 1:11:59.120 All right? 1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:07.880 Pre or Pete Rock both. Yeah, he understands this. Yeah, 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:12.519 but this is my people, This is my family. You 1:12:12.600 --> 1:12:16.200 know it's okay this d MX or Biggie. 1:12:18.800 --> 1:12:20.040 X or Biggie. 1:12:22.680 --> 1:12:27.479 Biggie Okay, Brooklyn Brooklyn, Guru or big Al. 1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:30.599 That's a good one, Guru, Guru because he done gave 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:33.280 me a haircut. That's that was my my man, like 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:35.960 my man, my man, like I'd have been to his crib. 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:37.240 Was a good. 1:12:39.400 --> 1:12:39.599 Yeah. 1:12:39.680 --> 1:12:41.400 Yeah, Guru was a buck. I was too. 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:43.439 I used to cut here before I started rapping. 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:47.080 Yeah yeah, I cut my hood. I cut all the hair. 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:49.240 But one time we was at the New Music semin 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:52.479 off in the city and gu was like, yo, I 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:54.000 got run to my crib real quick. 1:12:54.040 --> 1:12:55.479 I was like, yo, I come with you. Fuck it, 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:56.960 let's go. So we went to his crib. 1:12:57.040 --> 1:12:59.040 I got a little shape up and ship and then 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:01.120 we went back to the New Music seminar. 1:13:01.520 --> 1:13:03.240 You up, yeah yeah? 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:07.920 Got man. Rest in Peace, My man, Holly Rock rest 1:13:07.960 --> 1:13:10.599 in Peace introduced me to him from East New York 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:12.559 because he was down with the East New York crew, 1:13:13.040 --> 1:13:15.160 and we kind of came out at the same time 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:17.400 and did a lot of things together, you know. We 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:20.800 we little side shows, inside hustles. We did a lot 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:21.439 of ship together. 1:13:21.520 --> 1:13:21.680 Man. 1:13:21.720 --> 1:13:23.200 He was also a youth counselor. 1:13:23.600 --> 1:13:23.840 Wow. 1:13:24.080 --> 1:13:25.360 Yeah, he was a counselor. 1:13:25.400 --> 1:13:25.559 Man. 1:13:25.600 --> 1:13:28.360 Guru was a little I ain't gonna lie. I got 1:13:28.479 --> 1:13:33.920 drunk with Google a lot. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:37.800 Yeah, Okay, I like this one. You want to take 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:38.160 this one? 1:13:38.560 --> 1:13:38.800 Okay? 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:47.840 Caine or Ell Caine Brooklyn damn straight out, straight out, 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:50.000 no hesitation on. 1:13:50.200 --> 1:13:52.560 That, and it ain't I'm gonna tell you well, I 1:13:52.600 --> 1:13:55.400 ain't gonna tell you we got up to Yeah Kane, 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:57.439 shout outs to big Daddy Kane. That's the o G. 1:13:57.640 --> 1:13:59.920 Matter of fact, he was like a big brother the 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:03.040 me too. Like he doesn't come to church after the 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:07.120 hood to pick me up. We go to Apollo hang out, chill, 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:11.040 go watch all one of them little blaxploitation flicks at 1:14:11.040 --> 1:14:13.560 the crib. Chill, we laughing, get gigging it up. He 1:14:13.800 --> 1:14:16.360 was a big brother man, like I respect. The ship 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:18.920 out of a big Day came May cut at the time. 1:14:19.439 --> 1:14:31.479 Probably probably so drag drag for the k I know, 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:33.080 I know what you're gonna pick up with this one. 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:38.639 Howie t Or Eric Sherman, Howie Tea Man Brooklyn Okay, Chub. 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:44.160 Chub Rock Brooklyn like his loyalty. I like it. New 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:52.439 Jack City or Juice Juice? How did you get in 1:14:52.479 --> 1:14:53.320 the Juice? I forgot that. 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:53.760 Well. 1:14:54.160 --> 1:14:57.360 I wasn't really really supposed to be in the movie 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:02.519 at all. Actually, yeah, what happened was I read for 1:15:02.680 --> 1:15:04.719 the part because I wanted to be in the movie 1:15:04.840 --> 1:15:06.760 at the time, so I read for the part of 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:07.880 the curly head kid. 1:15:08.120 --> 1:15:08.680 Of course you did. 1:15:08.840 --> 1:15:11.080 So when I went to the set, I went to 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:12.639 the set to go fuck with Poc. 1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:15.800 That was my man, Like, we was tight. So I 1:15:15.920 --> 1:15:17.920 produced records for people to talk about this. 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:18.360 Y Yeah. 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:22.880 Yeah. So I went to the set to go chill 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:26.320 with Pac, and when I saw who they casted for 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:28.320 the part I read for, I was like, how the 1:15:28.400 --> 1:15:29.639 funck y'all get a look alike? 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:31.880 Why y'all ain't get the real nigga? Right? 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:34.960 So Pac was like, yo, you read for this move. 1:15:35.000 --> 1:15:36.479 I was like, yeah, son, they gave it to the 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:38.559 other curly head dude, what the fun? 1:15:39.840 --> 1:15:39.960 Right? 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:42.600 Who is this other curly So that was right? 1:15:42.680 --> 1:15:43.200 He right there? 1:15:43.880 --> 1:15:44.559 Yeah right? 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:47.840 And I end up taking this girl right So so. 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:53.720 So Pack was like he acted like he was He 1:15:53.840 --> 1:15:55.960 acted like he had to do something. So he was like, Yo, 1:15:56.000 --> 1:15:57.760 I'm gonna be right back. I'll be right back. So 1:15:57.880 --> 1:16:00.640 he left and when he came back, he was like, yo, ed, 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:02.760 I got you a little part in the movie. 1:16:02.800 --> 1:16:02.920 Man. 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:04.839 It ain't a big part, but it's a little cameo. 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:07.600 I ain't even know he was doing that. I was like, 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:08.719 come on, son, you ain't. 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:09.000 Had to do that. 1:16:10.240 --> 1:16:12.439 Give thanks though, And then I went out there and 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:16.320 they had this this drop top jeep, you know, them 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:19.519 wranglers with no top and it had like a fuzzy 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:23.639 steering wig and I was like, oh, hell no, I'm 1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:24.760 not driving that ship. 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:28.120 Thanks for the part, but I'm gonna drive my ship. 1:16:28.680 --> 1:16:30.200 So they looked at my sit and was like I 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:33.080 had the red pasat with the foods, with the food sir, rims, 1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:33.840 the chrome ship. 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:38.240 Yeah yeah, only only me, Only me and the shop 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:39.320 owner had them rims. 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:40.200 Yeah. 1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:43.599 So I spent the little paper on them. But they 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:45.479 saw my whipping it was like, all right, we use 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:48.240 your car. So we found a little crackhead that was 1:16:48.400 --> 1:16:50.559 washing cars and was like, all right, clean my ship up. 1:16:50.560 --> 1:16:54.800 We're gonna do this. And we did the scene in Harlow. Yeah, 1:16:54.960 --> 1:16:55.719 we did the scene. 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:58.360 But talk to us about pocat me and I don't 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:00.960 think you ever met Park none, never had a chance 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:03.080 to meet popping up to outlaws and everyone. 1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:06.599 Yeah, so a lot of questions about no worries. 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:09.920 It's not because because I just never I'll never get 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:10.320 that back. 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:14.160 What it is is I met Pop through through a 1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:17.360 mutual friend and through Latifa's crew. 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:19.320 I used to date one of our dances, right, I 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:19.680 feel me. 1:17:20.360 --> 1:17:20.559 Yeah. 1:17:20.680 --> 1:17:23.639 So they were on tour with Digital Underground at the time, 1:17:24.040 --> 1:17:26.640 and I had spot dates that I used to do 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:29.160 with them. I toured with all of them, but they 1:17:29.280 --> 1:17:32.400 introduced me to Tupac. He was a roadie for Digital 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:34.640 Underground at the time, and I met all of the 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:37.280 money be Shot Gen. We we all tight, like I 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:39.559 still fuck with money be now Rest in Peace, Shot 1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:43.680 Gress in Peace, and you know we met then it 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:46.200 was organic and we was all just cool. 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:48.760 We all fucked with each other. When I went to 1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:50.599 l A, I called him. 1:17:50.560 --> 1:17:52.760 Up one time too, and he was like, damn, I'm 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:54.880 in the bay, but I come fuck with you, and 1:17:55.000 --> 1:17:57.000 he drove all the way to LA to countries. 1:17:57.240 --> 1:18:01.120 With a right maybe we went out. We went hanging 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:01.760 out and ship. 1:18:01.880 --> 1:18:03.880 But then when he came to New York all the 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:07.120 time he'd call me and act too, and then he 1:18:07.160 --> 1:18:09.280 would come by the studio. And that's how we ended 1:18:09.360 --> 1:18:12.840 up producing for him because he said they had put 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:16.040 him on and he had a record deal now, so 1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:18.280 he was like, if you got any beats, you know 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:20.479 what I'm saying, Woo woo whoop. So he came through 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:23.760 and we put him on some beats and did some 1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:26.799 production for him. So you know, that was a blessing. 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:29.360 But that was organic too, Like, I didn't try to 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:32.120 jump on a record because he had a deal. 1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:34.799 I just produe. I did what he acts. 1:18:34.840 --> 1:18:38.240 But it's funny you say that because we could clearly 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:40.320 see the relationship that Park had with you. We clearly 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:42.599 see the relationship that Park had with Buck Down. 1:18:45.439 --> 1:18:45.599 Yeah. 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:49.240 He was a great dude. Man, He was a good dude. 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:50.960 It was biggie early on. 1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:52.880 Yeah, he had like a Brooklyn connection. 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:53.400 Yeah. 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:56.560 I mean he was just a real dude period. He 1:18:56.600 --> 1:18:58.439 was stretching a live squad too in Queens too. 1:18:58.720 --> 1:18:58.920 Yeah. 1:18:59.640 --> 1:19:01.560 But what I'm saying is, what's there a difference that 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:05.120 you could notice recognize from the pocket you knew from 1:19:05.160 --> 1:19:07.439 Digital Underground days to the park that did you meet 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:09.000 the pocket from on Death Row Pocket? 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:13.519 Well, at that time, well meet, I already knew him, 1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:16.519 but I didn't see him when he came home and 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:18.640 got on death Row and all that. And actually I 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:22.320 was in La one time, and I was that's when 1:19:22.360 --> 1:19:23.120 I used to smoke. 1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:23.320 Man. 1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:25.839 Matter of fact, let me just say, man, I stopped 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:30.479 smoking weed after forty years. Wow, I'm Jamaican, so that 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:35.320 shit come with the family. But I stopped smoking weed. 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:36.080 This year. 1:19:36.400 --> 1:19:39.040 Yeah, I just stopped a few months ago. Man, don't 1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:45.000 get excited. Don't get excited. That's all fresh. It's just control. 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:46.960 It's just self control. You know what I'm saying. I 1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:48.000 controlled myself. 1:19:48.360 --> 1:19:49.840 So what I was saying against my pot. 1:19:49.920 --> 1:19:51.479 But hold on, we're gonna get back to pop. Make 1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:53.160 sure we go back to pop. But hold on, what 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:54.080 made you stop smoking? 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:56.120 I want to know that part. Well, I've been doing 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.840 it so long. I'm like, when am I gonna stop? Okay? 1:19:59.040 --> 1:20:02.000 How am I going to dish? Destroyed myself in the process? 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:04.000 I stopped smoking cigarettes? Am I gonna kill? 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:05.519 Yeah? I had to do that too. When I was 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:08.000 a teen, I used to smoke new Ports. At one 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:10.439 point I smoked black and Miles. I had to stop, 1:20:10.800 --> 1:20:13.880 like step by step when I moved to the South. 1:20:14.240 --> 1:20:17.439 I moved to the South, down South. I moved to 1:20:17.560 --> 1:20:27.040 the South, and yeah, okay, I stopped now long years ago, 1:20:27.200 --> 1:20:30.479 years ago, years ago. I stopped smoking new Ports, probably 1:20:30.880 --> 1:20:34.479 over ten fifteen years ago. And then I stopped smoking 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:36.519 black and Miles a few years ago because I was 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:38.600 in the South. And that's like a I picked that 1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:42.440 ship up from like Mark Sparks and shiit like North Carolina, 1:20:42.960 --> 1:20:45.880 they all they all doing some shit with them and 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:49.080 get I just loosen it up like this and smoke 1:20:49.160 --> 1:20:50.599 it like what I'm saying. But they used to take 1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:53.559 it apart and peel shit off. I'm like, this ain't weed. 1:20:54.240 --> 1:20:56.439 But yeah, shout out to Mark Sparks and the whole 1:20:56.520 --> 1:20:58.479 team out there, Charlotte man for real. 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.080 So let me actually because two right, I mean, this 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:02.360 was a totally different person. 1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:05.479 Yeah. So what happened was I was in l A 1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:08.439 one time and I was smoking some pie grade and 1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:13.400 I passed out. My boy, My boy, my boys went 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:17.840 to the party and see pot and I woke up tight. 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:20.400 I woke up and I'm in there by myself. I'm like, 1:21:20.479 --> 1:21:23.599 what the fuck going on? Everybody at they at the party. 1:21:24.400 --> 1:21:26.760 I'm like, I was so pissed at these motherfuckers. 1:21:26.840 --> 1:21:27.040 Boy. 1:21:27.680 --> 1:21:29.840 And then they come back and you, yeah, they were 1:21:29.960 --> 1:21:33.920 hide you. Yeah, it was up. I'm like, your motherfucker man. 1:21:34.320 --> 1:21:36.400 They was like, yo, sir, we seen pac. I was like, 1:21:36.760 --> 1:21:39.640 get the fuck away from me. Did you have a 1:21:39.640 --> 1:21:43.640 relationship with Big Yeah? Yeah, I had a relationship with 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:46.479 Big through and it started through my man Klepto. And 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:49.880 actually that's another person. I went to elementary. Yeah, I 1:21:49.880 --> 1:21:52.559 went to elementary with him. Okay, I got a picture 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:55.439 online and me and him like this tall with our 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:59.400 little slacks and button ups like this, you know, stunting. 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:02.679 But we was in elementary. We grew up together. So anyway, 1:22:03.120 --> 1:22:05.360 he came by. I had a studio in Brooklyn called 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:06.320 a Dollar Cab Lab. 1:22:06.800 --> 1:22:07.760 Dollar Cab Lab. 1:22:07.880 --> 1:22:08.880 Yeah, that's the dollar van. 1:22:08.800 --> 1:22:12.200 To go to church, exactly, dollar van. So that's why 1:22:12.280 --> 1:22:19.519 we call it dollar cat an people. Hell yeah, dollar yeah. 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:24.280 So the Dollar Cab Lab. We I say it again. 1:22:25.200 --> 1:22:27.960 We don't win in a tangent. Oh yeah yeah. 1:22:28.040 --> 1:22:28.320 Okay. 1:22:28.400 --> 1:22:31.320 So Clip came by the studio and everybody used to 1:22:31.400 --> 1:22:33.479 come by the studio, but he came byn and was like, yo, 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:36.559 big putting us on, and we're gonna do an album 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:37.800 once again. 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:40.160 You got some beats, oh come on? Hell yeah. 1:22:40.200 --> 1:22:42.880 I got a whole team by that time. I had 1:22:42.920 --> 1:22:46.400 probably like five six producers with me in the Dollar 1:22:46.479 --> 1:22:49.200 Cab Lab. What I did was I had all the 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:51.280 equipment in the studio and then I called all my 1:22:51.360 --> 1:22:53.840 homies and I said, look, I'm gonna show y'all how 1:22:53.880 --> 1:22:56.559 to use this ship. So I taught all of them, 1:22:57.080 --> 1:22:59.479 how to use the machines, how to sample, how to 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:02.960 loop up, how to sequence all that shit, and so 1:23:03.120 --> 1:23:04.280 we always had beats. 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:06.719 We had a gang of beats Dollar Cavet. 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:08.360 Yeah. 1:23:08.640 --> 1:23:11.960 Two we did like two or three we did like 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:17.439 I think it was two joints on the Junior Mafia album. Yeah, yeah, 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:20.400 well that's the only album they did. But we did 1:23:21.240 --> 1:23:24.080 two joints on their Murder Ones and oh my lord, 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:24.880 oh wow. 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:25.240 Yeah. 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:25.599 Yeah. 1:23:25.880 --> 1:23:30.360 Did you ever think, because uh you know who Biggie 1:23:30.560 --> 1:23:33.800 was and who Park was, that they would ever crosspath 1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:36.360 and to get this bad No? 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:40.799 Actually, you know, I think that was all third party 1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:43.960 in entourage ship, and that's that's really the problem. Is 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:47.800 just sometimes the people you around and what they add 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:52.000 to the mix, they add either negativity or positivity, you 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:55.280 feel me. So that's what happened, man. I think between 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:58.920 them too, as individuals, they was never in a problem. 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:01.880 You know, I think it more so of the things 1:24:01.960 --> 1:24:06.960 that happened, and Pop blaming Big for not warning him, 1:24:07.080 --> 1:24:10.800 for warning him or informing him, right, you know. 1:24:10.800 --> 1:24:11.200 What I'm saying. 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:14.040 And I think that's where they got it got tumultuous. 1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:17.479 But as men, as individuals, man, we all had love 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:18.120 for each other. 1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:18.599 Period. 1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:20.439 We had warm and g sit here the other day 1:24:20.479 --> 1:24:23.120 and Warren G said that he actually met with Big 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:26.880 and he had a message to relate to Pac. He 1:24:27.080 --> 1:24:29.160 never had got it to Park. He said that he 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:31.599 thinks single handled one of those messages might have changed 1:24:31.600 --> 1:24:33.240 the whole trajectory of this whole situation. 1:24:33.760 --> 1:24:34.519 You think, you think. 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:38.000 Because that lack of communication, because you know, if they 1:24:38.000 --> 1:24:39.360 would have probably got in the phone with each other, 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:40.960 they probably say, yo, bro, I'm not beefing with you. 1:24:41.000 --> 1:24:43.000 I'm not doing that. You think that that was a 1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:45.400 big part. Yeah, I think that was a big part. 1:24:45.479 --> 1:24:47.559 But also I think there was a lot of fire 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:51.120 and Park at the time. I mean, he got shot up, 1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:54.280 you know what I mean. Regardless of how it happened 1:24:54.360 --> 1:24:57.280 or what happened, the fact is that it happened in 1:24:58.080 --> 1:24:58.719 our home. 1:24:59.439 --> 1:24:59.880 You feel me. 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:03.120 That's like if we go to LA and something happened 1:25:03.360 --> 1:25:07.160 in the studio where they at, it's gonna feel like, yo, bro. 1:25:07.360 --> 1:25:09.800 It's gonna automatically feel weird. Yeah, it's gonna feel weird. 1:25:09.880 --> 1:25:12.880 So I think that energy, you know, just ran off 1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:16.479 and took a life of its own without men getting 1:25:16.600 --> 1:25:19.479 to speak man the Man and heal the situation, you 1:25:19.560 --> 1:25:19.960 know what I mean? 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:22.840 I agree, Yeah, you want to go to the next one. 1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:29.240 We lost some icons yet, resting peace to both of them. Men, 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:33.479 all right, Mop or black Moon? 1:25:34.960 --> 1:25:41.880 Oh Man, drink Man? Can they both from Brooklyn? And 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:43.920 I foxed with both of them. They all, you know, 1:25:44.280 --> 1:25:47.160 little fame, that's my little they all come on man. 1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:47.800 Yeah. 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:50.920 And then Buckshot in boot Camp actually came up in 1:25:51.040 --> 1:25:52.960 the Dollar Cab Lab in my studio. 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:53.800 Yeah. 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:58.160 So when they started recording boot Camp Click, when they 1:25:58.280 --> 1:26:02.160 started the boot Camp Click and started recording all their 1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:07.280 albums ogc Healter, Skelter, et cetera, rocking rock and all that, 1:26:07.479 --> 1:26:11.120 they started in my studio in Brooklyn, the Dollar Cab 1:26:11.240 --> 1:26:13.559 Lat it used to be like ten fifteen of them 1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:16.559 just laid out everywhere because you know, we had a fit. 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:19.880 It was a it was like a not it was 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:22.120 an apartment, but we turned into a studio and it 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:25.120 was different rooms all over. We had video game rules 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:26.080 and roots. 1:26:26.920 --> 1:26:27.160 Yeah. 1:26:27.479 --> 1:26:31.640 So yeah, shout them out. Yeah, yeah, they know, just 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:33.320 ask them about the Dollar Cab last. 1:26:33.439 --> 1:26:33.599 Yeah. 1:26:33.600 --> 1:26:35.920 I wish I would have been there, Dollar Cab Lab. Hell, yeah, 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:39.040 you'd have been welcome. We welcomed everybody. Everybody been there. 1:26:39.280 --> 1:26:41.639 And when they came through Brooklyn, they came and stopped 1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:45.120 off and chill. Even if they didn't record, they came 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:45.840 by to chill. 1:26:46.000 --> 1:26:47.800 You feel me. It was a family, it. 1:26:47.840 --> 1:26:55.040 Was it was a vibe good fab or Jadakiss, Jadakiss. 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:59.800 I know Fab is from Brooklyn, But me and Jada 1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:04.439 I have always had a relationship, like me and the Locks. 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:09.800 Like see certain groups, you know, certain groups we gravitate 1:27:09.920 --> 1:27:14.719 to just on the strength of realness. And I spent 1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:16.840 a lot of time on Yonkers too. I used to 1:27:16.920 --> 1:27:19.479 go fuck with him down down the road and all that. 1:27:19.640 --> 1:27:22.400 And you know they show love so and I haven't 1:27:22.400 --> 1:27:25.200 seen them all over the country. You feel me out 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:27.920 and those see if Jada was having a show or 1:27:27.960 --> 1:27:29.760 some ship, I might go pull up, yo, what up 1:27:29.840 --> 1:27:33.320 some like that. So you know he's been out the Charlotte. 1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:35.880 I've ran up on him in La, this, that and 1:27:36.000 --> 1:27:39.240 the third. Like that's the type of relationship we got. 1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:42.360 So I would just say, Jada, man, yeah, and I 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:45.439 don't know if this is a for skill off of 1:27:45.520 --> 1:27:47.000 the relationship. 1:27:48.840 --> 1:27:50.880 Yeah, yeah, like this pick right now, Yeah, this is 1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:54.280 all your criteria jay Z or nots jay Z. 1:27:54.680 --> 1:28:03.120 Or nos'ma, I'm gonna give it to Brooklyn. I'm gonna 1:28:03.120 --> 1:28:05.519 give it to Brooklyn just because I'm from Brooklyn. But 1:28:05.840 --> 1:28:08.720 I love them both, you know, and to be real, 1:28:08.960 --> 1:28:11.160 to be really real, they both showed me love. I 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:14.920 probably spent a lot more time around Nas and just 1:28:15.000 --> 1:28:18.280 fucking with Nas. But and I booked Naves before you know, 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:21.640 we brought him to Charlotte. But you know, shout out 1:28:21.640 --> 1:28:23.960 to boy man, you should drink for that. But I'm 1:28:24.280 --> 1:28:27.680 I'm gonna spend fucking drink drink for that one man, 1:28:27.800 --> 1:28:34.040 Both drink Okay, o C or lawfulness, O C or 1:28:34.200 --> 1:28:42.120 Lord forness? You can got ahead and just drink again. Okay, No, 1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:46.080 you have a problem. You have a drinking problem like 1:28:46.160 --> 1:28:55.759 I don't have a problem. Or biz Markey, Oh man, Okay, 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:59.200 I'm gonna just have to say biz Markey. They both Brooklyn, 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:04.800 but biz Marcky, I've I've had a big bro relationship 1:29:04.880 --> 1:29:08.400 with biz Markey's for thirty something years since the beginning 1:29:08.439 --> 1:29:09.040 of my career. 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:14.880 It's out. I have to watch the rest in peace 1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:15.799 to biz Markey. 1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:21.360 He has always been the most loving, the most genuine, 1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:23.400 the most real of. 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:29.360 People period, and I wanted to play him in the movie. Okay, 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:31.200 if a movie come out the Juice Crew, I'm gonna go. 1:29:32.960 --> 1:29:34.920 And let me tell you a little you're going to start. 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:37.040 Let me tell this a story about buz Man back 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:40.000 in the days, and he changed my perspective on some things. 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:42.519 One of them was we had a show in Puerto 1:29:42.600 --> 1:29:48.559 Rico and Biz comes to the show with no luggage, nothing. 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:55.240 He just had a walkman on. I'm like, and the 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:58.160 whole time it's just bus and a walkman. Ain't no 1:29:58.479 --> 1:30:04.040 bag nowhere, no nothing. I'm like, oh, this thing is real. Meantime, 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:06.040 I got all kinds of bag. I got a robe 1:30:06.080 --> 1:30:09.640 in my ship, I got Fendy luggage. I'm like, and 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:13.800 it's only a one nice show. But the lesson I 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:16.840 learned is, man, fuck all this. If you in and out, 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:19.439 you in and out. I might carry a little bag 1:30:19.560 --> 1:30:23.599 here and there now, but I learned from Biz like, man, 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:25.880 fuck this, it ain't really all about all that. Just 1:30:26.000 --> 1:30:31.840 go in, get your money, what you got doing. Go yeah, man, shout. 1:30:31.560 --> 1:30:34.120 Out the biz Man. He really rest in peace. 1:30:34.200 --> 1:30:34.360 Man. 1:30:35.760 --> 1:30:36.439 Oh yeah yeah. 1:30:37.439 --> 1:30:38.519 This was a real big bro. 1:30:38.800 --> 1:30:41.040 His connections was ill and I don't want to ruin it, 1:30:41.120 --> 1:30:43.320 but people need to watch that documentary. It's it's dope, 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:47.960 all right. Next one, Havoc or Large Pro, I. 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:53.120 Would say, yeah, I would say Large Pro because of 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:55.880 my relationship with Large Pro. I done been through his 1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:59.439 crib and Queen's Bridge in the apartment. As matter of fact, 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:02.519 that's where I first met Nas at was in Large 1:31:02.560 --> 1:31:06.280 Pro crib. You feel me because Nas lived in Queen's 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:08.519 Bridge at the time and I went to Large Pro 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:12.960 crib to get some tracks and hear some beats, and 1:31:13.400 --> 1:31:16.040 Nas popped in and we actually had a little cipher. 1:31:16.560 --> 1:31:18.640 You know what I'm saying, just me and him in 1:31:18.800 --> 1:31:21.600 Large Pro. So shout out to Large Pro. And like 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:23.880 I said, shout out to Nas. That's why I say, man, 1:31:23.920 --> 1:31:25.640 you know you got to drink because you know what 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:27.639 I'm saying me and you know that's that's the little 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:28.160 homie there. 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:28.880 That's a little bro. 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:30.160 Right. 1:31:30.200 --> 1:31:33.439 The next one Kris One or Chuck D, Chuck N. 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:36.320 Chuck D. So Chuck D. 1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:40.800 Now you know why Chuck D has always been stand up. 1:31:41.320 --> 1:31:45.400 Yeah. And we used to tour and one thing I 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:49.599 learned from Chuck touring is that to take this business 1:31:49.680 --> 1:31:53.320 seriously because while we was wild and now smoking weed, 1:31:53.439 --> 1:31:56.400 getting drunk, this, that, and the third, we were going 1:31:56.479 --> 1:32:00.920 to a truck stop and Chuck d is sitting at 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:05.600 the table with the whole team around the table, and 1:32:05.720 --> 1:32:09.800 there is some deep ass conversation doing the knowledge you 1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:12.800 feel me. And I always looked at that like, man, 1:32:12.960 --> 1:32:16.519 I'm out here to have fun. But I had to 1:32:16.640 --> 1:32:21.080 take and learn from what I saw from Chuck, and 1:32:21.240 --> 1:32:25.240 that was to take this business serious and to treat 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:28.280 it serious. You feel me, So I would say, Chuck 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:29.680 d unequivocably. 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:32.280 You met Nas at Large Pro House? 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:36.120 Yeah, I met Na's at Large Pro House in Queensbridge, 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:39.679 and I remember, I remember, Yeah, we had a little sipher. 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:41.800 We was playing beats Me and Na start spitting. We 1:32:41.880 --> 1:32:43.840 had to get down low for the speakers and the 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:47.800 mic feedback. So we're down low, crouching, spitting and shit. 1:32:47.920 --> 1:32:51.840 But one of the neighbors must have been complaining because 1:32:51.920 --> 1:32:55.240 this shit was banging. Large Pro is getting on our rate, 1:32:55.520 --> 1:32:58.479 got the ratchet. I'm like, yo, just easy, son, you 1:32:58.560 --> 1:33:01.599 gotta I'm like, yo, Son, I'm like, you gotta live here, son, 1:33:01.720 --> 1:33:02.760 chill out, like what you're gonna do? 1:33:02.800 --> 1:33:03.200 Shoot out? 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:03.639 The window. 1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:06.519 Come on, son, shout out to large pro man, that's 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:11.920 the that's the honey Ellmatic or ready to die Ellmatic 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:16.720 or ready to die. So he could drink for that. Yeah, 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:17.479 drink for that. 1:33:17.720 --> 1:33:23.080 He ain't got no problems but a drinking problem. Az 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:35.519 or Cormega, ac or Cormega. They they're in the same team, 1:33:35.560 --> 1:33:35.920 ain't they. 1:33:36.520 --> 1:33:37.840 Yeah, but you still gotta pick. 1:33:40.880 --> 1:33:43.200 There was like partners an they was on the same 1:33:43.280 --> 1:33:45.200 records and ship right somewhat. 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:50.479 Okay, he could drink for that. Cool they cool? MC 1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:51.799 light or Queen Latifa. 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:58.080 Oh man, I'm gonna say MC Light and I've had 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:02.800 I've had a great relatelationship with Latifa, but I think 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:06.160 throughout the years i've seen and been around and had 1:34:06.240 --> 1:34:07.599 more communication with Light. 1:34:08.320 --> 1:34:10.000 But you know, we used to tour together. 1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:12.680 Like I've shared my tour bus with Latifa in them man, 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:17.840 like we've been Yeah, flavor units, shout out shot him, 1:34:17.960 --> 1:34:19.200 shout out the whole team. 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:23.000 You know what I'm saying. Recipeace withs owings. 1:34:23.040 --> 1:34:27.000 You know what I mean. But matter of fact, it's 1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:31.839 drink to that man. But Light is Brooklyn. Light is Brooklyn. 1:34:31.920 --> 1:34:37.799 But you're gonna still drink Okay Tupac or Easy Tupac? 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:42.120 Have you heard? I didn't meet him. I've seen him. 1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:45.519 He was with Dre at a party in the what 1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:47.880 was that Mars or some ship back in the days 1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:51.599 on the West Side Highway and him and Dre came 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:54.000 to the party. We were standing outside at the door 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:56.559 waiting to get in. That's the only time I've ever 1:34:56.640 --> 1:34:59.080 seen Easy. I've seen Dre plenty of times. I done 1:34:59.120 --> 1:35:03.240 been to Dre study shout outs to Dre man one love. 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:11.720 But yeah, definitely, uh who I picked? Come on son? 1:35:13.080 --> 1:35:15.880 The tracks you said you produced for Poker on the 1:35:15.960 --> 1:35:19.920 albums absolutely one was on the album strip Strictly for 1:35:20.040 --> 1:35:25.360 my niggas and one no, the album was called Strictly 1:35:26.720 --> 1:35:30.639 and then the other one was uh posts his passing. 1:35:31.520 --> 1:35:33.519 They put out a project and they asked for the 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:34.960 record because it was never released. 1:35:35.320 --> 1:35:38.240 It was called open Fire and shout out the DJ 1:35:38.400 --> 1:35:42.880 action too. Video music box, all your own TV raps, 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:44.479 Video music box. 1:35:45.280 --> 1:35:50.639 Uncle Ralph Brooklyn once again, but problem from Queens Well, 1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:55.519 I always see Ralph and Brooklyn. Ralph from to me, 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:02.040 but nah, but Ralph because he's still added, he's still going. 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:05.639 Matter of fact, I had Ralph hosts The Coney Island 1:36:05.720 --> 1:36:09.519 Show and Ralph is hosting in Harlem with me. I 1:36:09.680 --> 1:36:14.200 always incorporate Ralph. He always showed me love. He showed 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:16.560 me more love than most you feel me throughout my 1:36:16.800 --> 1:36:20.640 entire career, like period. So Uncle Ralph all day. You 1:36:20.680 --> 1:36:22.240 know what I'm saying. I mean, you know at Love 1:36:22.320 --> 1:36:25.320 and Doctor Dre, I love y'all too, But Ralph is 1:36:25.400 --> 1:36:26.320 my O G man. 1:36:26.400 --> 1:36:30.120 That's that's unk. Yeah as well. Yeah, n w A 1:36:30.240 --> 1:36:37.680 O Wu Tang clan Wu Tang Wu Tang is for 1:36:37.760 --> 1:36:38.240 the kids. 1:36:38.920 --> 1:36:39.080 Now. 1:36:39.120 --> 1:36:41.840 You know what besides that, man Wu Tang was dropping 1:36:41.960 --> 1:36:43.320 knowledge and positivity. 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:47.720 You know, n w A brought the age of destruction, 1:36:48.840 --> 1:36:52.960 Damn Jesus. N w A brought the age of destruction 1:36:53.160 --> 1:36:55.240 to our children and our culture. 1:36:56.240 --> 1:37:01.240 Period. Hey, I respect all of them as men, but 1:37:01.400 --> 1:37:03.800 as the art form, and you want me to speak 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:05.519 on the RD form, I'm gonna tell you what it is. 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:09.719 That's where it started. Wow, that's where the agenda started, 1:37:10.240 --> 1:37:12.439 and that's where the destruction. 1:37:12.240 --> 1:37:14.519 Began against the rap You will give that to them 1:37:14.680 --> 1:37:15.519 or was it iced. 1:37:15.439 --> 1:37:18.840 T well iced t? Yeah? Iced T did that. 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:20.400 I ain't say they started against the rap. 1:37:20.479 --> 1:37:23.519 But what happened was when the President sent them that letter, 1:37:24.560 --> 1:37:27.800 they went hand with that shit like you know, and 1:37:27.920 --> 1:37:30.520 they had more of a presence. 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:31.360 You know. 1:37:31.640 --> 1:37:33.720 Iced T did his numbers back, you know, he did 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:35.479 his thing. That's my old G two iced T. 1:37:35.680 --> 1:37:38.840 But and w A ran away with it in such 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:42.599 a way where it was like, for real, that's all 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:43.400 we gonna do. 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:44.600 You know. 1:37:44.800 --> 1:37:47.880 It was genius for them, and they made millions of 1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:50.840 dollars off of it, But look at what it caused 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:54.880 the police early. Yeah, we always saying fucking the police. 1:37:54.920 --> 1:37:58.639 But they said it on record, absolutely for the record, 1:37:59.040 --> 1:38:00.479 and I respect them for that too. 1:38:01.960 --> 1:38:08.040 Shappa Ranks or Shop Ranks or Bougou. 1:38:10.560 --> 1:38:15.559 Hmmm, shop of the o G boy, you're gonna drink 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:20.000 for that? They both from yard big up our yard man. 1:38:21.240 --> 1:38:24.679 Drink for the yard man. Name Belly or shot us. 1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:33.320 Belly or shot Yeah, I know, I know. Hm hmm. 1:38:34.479 --> 1:38:36.360 I would say, shatas. 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:39.519 You took the water, you took the watts too far? 1:38:39.760 --> 1:38:49.080 Now that the shot? Yes, I remember there was filming 1:38:49.160 --> 1:38:50.040 right around the corner. 1:38:50.720 --> 1:39:00.639 Yeah, I went, so you went with shotas okay, Master 1:39:00.760 --> 1:39:02.480 Ace or Jay Wood the damage. 1:39:04.280 --> 1:39:04.639 Hmmm. 1:39:06.320 --> 1:39:11.120 I would go with Ace because of our long standing relationship, 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:13.840 and I do have a long standing relationship with Jay 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:16.920 Rue as well, but I think I've had more interaction 1:39:17.080 --> 1:39:21.240 and then sharing the Crookland soundtrack Crooklyn going back and 1:39:21.280 --> 1:39:22.439 talking about going back to Crookland. 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:26.040 Hold on super Cat or Bounty Killer. I don't know 1:39:26.040 --> 1:39:30.479 why Jamaica keep coming out of me. Well, see one 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:34.040 is the og and Bounty is actually now a OG. 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:40.240 I actually Supercat, your cousin. I could tell Actually, I'm 1:39:40.240 --> 1:39:40.960 gonna tell you though. 1:39:41.080 --> 1:39:44.639 I did the first hip hop collab with Bounty Killer 1:39:44.840 --> 1:39:49.080 Wow on my album. It's called just a Killer Wow. Yeah, 1:39:49.080 --> 1:39:52.320 it was on my album Revelations. I actually flew down 1:39:52.400 --> 1:39:58.240 to Jamaica to King Jammy's studio with the cash, with 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:02.439 the cash and paid the man when you know he 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:05.120 was he you know, before he had all the hip 1:40:05.160 --> 1:40:10.160 hop fame on ninety four, I believe, Yeah to the. 1:40:10.240 --> 1:40:13.679 Yard, yeahsh yeah, very dangerous. 1:40:14.320 --> 1:40:15.000 Yeah yeah yeah. 1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:17.280 I'm a dangerous guy. Man, don't get tristed. 1:40:18.080 --> 1:40:21.400 I'm Jesus on the street. But you know I'm also 1:40:21.680 --> 1:40:29.479 you know, I'm many things. Respect my family. My family 1:40:29.600 --> 1:40:30.919 is from Kingston, Jamaica. 1:40:31.240 --> 1:40:33.160 You know, all of them you know, my favorite place 1:40:33.160 --> 1:40:34.879 in Kingston, Jamaica is Tivoy Gardess. 1:40:35.200 --> 1:40:45.040 Okay, enjoy that. Enjoy yourself for me, this is the 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:45.439 last one. 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:51.200 You want to take it. Loyalty or respect, loyalty. 1:40:52.240 --> 1:40:57.280 Because you're gonna get respect, but loyalty, loyalty, you know 1:40:57.320 --> 1:40:59.360 what I'm saying, because then you know you can trust 1:40:59.400 --> 1:41:01.360 and you know, you know who you could fuck with. 1:41:01.920 --> 1:41:02.479 You know what I'm saying. 1:41:02.520 --> 1:41:05.080 Anybody could respect you, you could scale them more fucking 1:41:05.120 --> 1:41:07.920 too respecting you. But that don't mean they're gonna be loyal. 1:41:08.040 --> 1:41:09.240 You know what I'm saying, They gonna run and go 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:12.000 tell the police. You know what I'm saying. I take 1:41:12.080 --> 1:41:15.360 that loyalty now, I know I could trust you with whatever. 1:41:16.439 --> 1:41:18.519 We're good, right, Yeah. 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:24.280 Right, I respect that. I respect that. Yeah. 1:41:24.760 --> 1:41:28.720 Hey hey, I'm gonna take I take my respect. I 1:41:29.040 --> 1:41:34.040 take my respect period. But loyalty is rare. Loyalty you 1:41:34.120 --> 1:41:38.040 gotta really be loyal. You got and not everybody's loyal. 1:41:38.240 --> 1:41:41.360 You feel me. You can always take your respect because 1:41:41.360 --> 1:41:43.200 that's what I've been doing. Like fuck that. 1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:47.120 I'm gonna take my respect, But loyalty you can't. You know, 1:41:48.080 --> 1:41:50.200 by time you turn your back you know, you don't know, 1:41:50.320 --> 1:41:52.040 it might be a knife in it. You feel me? 1:41:52.640 --> 1:41:53.560 Yep, yeah? Did you? 1:41:53.720 --> 1:41:53.920 Did you? 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:55.560 I know you say you don't go to concerts, but 1:41:55.640 --> 1:41:57.680 did you get to see clips of the Hip Hop 1:41:57.720 --> 1:41:59.120 fifty concert in Yankee Stadium? 1:42:01.439 --> 1:42:05.000 No, it'd been on my timeline, but I just keep scrolling. 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:09.559 I don't fuck with appropriation. Appropriation, what do you mean 1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:15.000 by that? I mean, motherfucker's trying to come up off 1:42:15.120 --> 1:42:20.400 of the people that ain't. That wasn't done by nobody 1:42:20.479 --> 1:42:24.400 I could respect in this industry. That was done by uh, 1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:29.200 you know, the man, that was put together by the man, 1:42:30.400 --> 1:42:32.240 that was exploited by the man. 1:42:33.080 --> 1:42:35.840 And they I don't know what the ticket prices was, 1:42:35.920 --> 1:42:36.759 but I could imagine. 1:42:37.400 --> 1:42:38.600 But you don't think that was a good thing. I 1:42:38.720 --> 1:42:41.200 think that was a good thing overall. No, overall it 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:43.639 was a good thing. But for them to do it wasn't. 1:42:43.920 --> 1:42:46.280 I would have rather seen Red Alert do that. I 1:42:46.320 --> 1:42:50.320 would have rather seen Ralph McDaniels do that. I would 1:42:50.400 --> 1:42:51.040 rather see. 1:42:50.880 --> 1:42:55.040 Somebody in the culture win from that, rather than these 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:59.720 entities the vampires come in and do that and then 1:43:00.400 --> 1:43:05.439 not really respect the actual culture and not value the culture. 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:06.880 They came to me. 1:43:07.000 --> 1:43:11.919 I mean, I'm gonna say this, Both Rock the Bells 1:43:12.400 --> 1:43:16.000 and the Yankee Stadium Ship both came to me and 1:43:16.120 --> 1:43:19.800 low ball me, and I felt disrespected, Like, Nah, y'all 1:43:19.840 --> 1:43:22.840 gotta pay. Y'all can't come to me and offer me 1:43:23.479 --> 1:43:26.200 half of what I want the fuck out of here. 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:28.880 Y'all not doing that to the other groups. Y'all ain't 1:43:28.920 --> 1:43:30.840 doing that to run DMC. I know that for a 1:43:31.000 --> 1:43:32.839 fact period. 1:43:34.080 --> 1:43:34.679 You know what I'm saying. 1:43:34.720 --> 1:43:37.320 But you ana come to these other artists and think 1:43:37.520 --> 1:43:41.000 you can determine what they're worth, and that's not how 1:43:41.080 --> 1:43:41.679 this works. 1:43:42.280 --> 1:43:46.640 But who's finished. But what I'm asking Sometimes. 1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:52.080 Sometimes I feel like the culture does deserve a pay 1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:54.240 cut sometimes when it comes from the culture. 1:43:54.080 --> 1:43:56.080 Like the fact that it's coming from l it ain't 1:43:56.120 --> 1:43:57.000 come from now. Man. 1:43:57.080 --> 1:44:01.920 Look, look, he got his own brand and his thing going, 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:05.400 and that's wonderful. But he don't speak for me, and 1:44:05.560 --> 1:44:09.640 he don't speak for my genre or my timeline. He 1:44:09.760 --> 1:44:12.960 don't even speak for half the artists that I fuck with. 1:44:13.360 --> 1:44:17.160 You understand, I see he's speaking for queens. That's cool, 1:44:17.200 --> 1:44:24.360 But I'm from Brooklyn. I'm from I kept. Do you 1:44:24.479 --> 1:44:27.840 want to stand all the money I donetook, man, But listen, 1:44:28.280 --> 1:44:28.920 but I can't. 1:44:28.960 --> 1:44:31.439 I can't say that because I've been on one rock. 1:44:31.840 --> 1:44:36.160 You're from Queen's. Well, see, he came to you and 1:44:36.280 --> 1:44:37.439 he treated you properly. 1:44:38.240 --> 1:44:39.280 Yeah, okay, Well. 1:44:39.800 --> 1:44:41.920 I took a pay cut. I did, I did, I did. 1:44:42.320 --> 1:44:44.600 But what I'm trying to say is I think that 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:46.080 sometimes it's unfair to. 1:44:46.240 --> 1:44:48.120 Like but hold on, how you going to take a 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:51.080 pair of cut? But he charging the ship out the audience. 1:44:51.880 --> 1:44:52.680 I just can't tell. 1:44:52.840 --> 1:44:58.960 I Well, see I can. I could tell anybody, no, nobody, 1:44:59.080 --> 1:45:01.160 don't run. It ain't no old man on this earth 1:45:01.240 --> 1:45:07.080 above me. I'm your idol, the highest title nigga. Please, 1:45:08.200 --> 1:45:11.799 so when you come to me, step to me correctly. 1:45:12.000 --> 1:45:12.320 That's it. 1:45:12.960 --> 1:45:15.840 That's all I asked. You're a grown man. You already know. 1:45:16.439 --> 1:45:18.120 I'm toured with LL before. 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:20.439 I mean, when I was coming out and my ship 1:45:20.600 --> 1:45:23.320 was hot on the street, he put me on spot 1:45:23.439 --> 1:45:24.679 days to sell tickets. 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:28.400 I'm familiar with the process, you know what I'm saying. 1:45:28.439 --> 1:45:30.760 I'm also familiar with the fact that you know what 1:45:30.800 --> 1:45:32.400 I'm saying. There was a lot of people that wasn't 1:45:32.479 --> 1:45:35.240 around for a very long time. But now they want 1:45:35.280 --> 1:45:37.080 to come back and take everything. 1:45:37.439 --> 1:45:41.400 Come on, bro, all right, but and Yankee Stadium was 1:45:41.439 --> 1:45:44.040 involved in that's appeal, well, he kind of that. That 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:45.400 was Na's whole stance with em. 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:48.200 She sham was to say that he's involved, meaning that 1:45:48.439 --> 1:45:52.360 he took the money, but like he didn't necessarily have everything. 1:45:52.040 --> 1:45:53.639 To do with the actual book. 1:45:53.680 --> 1:45:55.240 And now this is what I'm trying to tell you. 1:45:55.360 --> 1:45:57.960 It's no and hey listen, even with I'm gonna just 1:45:58.000 --> 1:46:01.760 say this, even with a the bells, even with a 1:46:01.920 --> 1:46:06.839 mass appeal, these are other entities involved that are pulling 1:46:06.920 --> 1:46:07.640 the strings. 1:46:08.240 --> 1:46:12.559 Period. Prove me wrong. But Massive Pill got a hip 1:46:12.560 --> 1:46:14.879 hop museum. I feel like they're a museum. 1:46:15.080 --> 1:46:17.519 All of that shit is appropriation. Bro. 1:46:18.360 --> 1:46:24.280 It's museums everywhere, museums popping up everywhere, museums overseas, museums 1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:25.760 every fucking where. 1:46:25.840 --> 1:46:25.920 Bro. 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:30.800 That ain't nothing but another person doing what they got 1:46:30.880 --> 1:46:32.519 to do to make money off of hip hop. 1:46:32.720 --> 1:46:37.320 Wow. That is not the participants of the art. 1:46:37.920 --> 1:46:38.200 Wow. 1:46:38.920 --> 1:46:41.600 Call me when read Alert got a museum, what. 1:46:41.680 --> 1:46:44.080 Would you have done different if they came to you, 1:46:44.200 --> 1:46:46.800 like you said, you curated right, So if they came 1:46:46.840 --> 1:46:49.240 to you, if Yankee Stadium. They got mass appeal to 1:46:49.360 --> 1:46:51.760 take out rock the Bells at L let's say, just 1:46:51.920 --> 1:46:55.920 Yankee Stadium right themselves said Yo, and we've been loving 1:46:55.960 --> 1:46:56.599 what you been doing. 1:46:57.080 --> 1:47:01.240 Can this is in your hands? What would you have done? 1:47:02.080 --> 1:47:06.280 I would have contacted all the artists that deserve to 1:47:06.400 --> 1:47:10.439 be recognized and I would have gave them recognition and 1:47:10.680 --> 1:47:12.439 participation in the event. 1:47:13.640 --> 1:47:18.960 At what they asked, artists, you have booked? Yeah, I can. 1:47:19.040 --> 1:47:22.160 But that's a whole love. Uh, that's a fucking assignment 1:47:22.320 --> 1:47:25.320 like that. I gotta dig into my I gotta ship. 1:47:25.720 --> 1:47:28.320 But yeah, I mean just in general, I don't even 1:47:28.400 --> 1:47:30.000 know who was there who was not? 1:47:30.360 --> 1:47:30.800 You feel me? 1:47:30.960 --> 1:47:33.600 I saw some flyers you know this and that and 1:47:33.680 --> 1:47:38.160 the third Yeah, who Hurk is everywhere? Respect shoutouts to 1:47:38.280 --> 1:47:40.479 cool Hurk. And I'm gonna just say, man, who Hurk? 1:47:41.640 --> 1:47:44.599 You know he's he's Jamaican. He brought his set outside, 1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:46.760 he had a party. You know what I'm saying. He 1:47:46.880 --> 1:47:50.240 did what Jamaicans do. You know what I'm saying. And 1:47:50.400 --> 1:47:54.120 I'm glad that they appreciated that in the Bronx and 1:47:54.240 --> 1:47:56.600 I'm glad that they attribute that to hip hop. Are 1:47:56.640 --> 1:47:58.800 you trying to say that's like normal, that's that's what 1:47:58.960 --> 1:48:00.880 we do, that's what's been doing. 1:48:01.160 --> 1:48:02.360 Come outside the big speakers. 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:04.880 If you look at all the speakers, even in the 1:48:05.120 --> 1:48:08.080 historical photographs and ship you see the Jamaican flags on 1:48:08.160 --> 1:48:10.880 them and the horns and yeah they sound they sound 1:48:10.960 --> 1:48:15.680 system they sets. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's that's a that's 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:17.519 a part of the that's a part of the culture. 1:48:19.360 --> 1:48:21.280 You know what I'm saying. All Right, I think crazy 1:48:21.400 --> 1:48:23.639 like said something like that. Like you just said, yeah 1:48:23.680 --> 1:48:25.479 that there was a lot of parties around that time. 1:48:25.600 --> 1:48:27.679 Well, what I want to say, yeah, party is a party. 1:48:27.760 --> 1:48:29.920 I'm not going to blame anything on one party. But 1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:31.400 what I do want to say is I hear a 1:48:31.439 --> 1:48:34.600 lot of people talking about, oh, well I invented this, 1:48:34.880 --> 1:48:38.800 and I invented that, and I invented that. Come on, bro, 1:48:38.960 --> 1:48:46.360 y'all need to ease up. Talk to DJ Hollywood man. Yes, yeah, man, man, 1:48:46.520 --> 1:48:49.960 Like I mean, it's good. We can all have a 1:48:50.320 --> 1:48:54.280 credit for our contributions. But when you start talking about 1:48:54.360 --> 1:48:56.840 you inventing ship, like go patent something. 1:48:56.880 --> 1:48:59.799 And when you say DJ Hollywood was that technically the first. 1:49:00.080 --> 1:49:04.000 He well technically he can break ship down as a 1:49:04.080 --> 1:49:06.439 og and that you know what was happening during that 1:49:06.560 --> 1:49:09.559 time because a lot of people claiming a lot of ship. 1:49:09.760 --> 1:49:12.720 You feel me and I respect everybody. I respect the. 1:49:14.120 --> 1:49:17.400 Lessons they say Cochla rock was the first time the 1:49:17.640 --> 1:49:20.280 folk first the see but then I'm hearing like as 1:49:20.360 --> 1:49:23.000 far as rocking the party, DJ Hollywood was the first 1:49:23.040 --> 1:49:24.920 person like to want the mic. 1:49:25.080 --> 1:49:28.880 Well, see, that's between them. I wasn't even there. I 1:49:29.040 --> 1:49:31.040 wasn't even there. But I do know a party is 1:49:31.080 --> 1:49:35.320 a motherfucking party. And unless y'all started a part, like 1:49:35.520 --> 1:49:39.760 the whole concept of having a party, I mean, talk 1:49:39.880 --> 1:49:40.120 to me. 1:49:40.200 --> 1:49:42.240 Because essentially that's when they say hip hop was born 1:49:42.400 --> 1:49:43.519 out of a party. 1:49:43.800 --> 1:49:45.400 A girl, I don't think it was just the party. 1:49:45.439 --> 1:49:47.759 I think the fact that he was bringing the breaks 1:49:47.800 --> 1:49:50.479 back and forth at that party, at that party. Yes, 1:49:50.760 --> 1:49:53.840 what there's what is being said. What do you believe? 1:49:53.920 --> 1:49:54.479 What a special? 1:49:54.520 --> 1:49:57.679 I believe what I believe aliens came down as came 1:49:57.760 --> 1:49:59.960 down right now, especially how the hip hop gets start. 1:50:00.360 --> 1:50:01.000 What would you say? 1:50:01.160 --> 1:50:04.479 Okay, there was a whole lot of crooners and people 1:50:04.640 --> 1:50:09.519 making records, rapping right as far as having parties. 1:50:09.960 --> 1:50:11.639 Yet cool Hurk is from Jamaica. 1:50:11.680 --> 1:50:14.400 And then Jamaica they bring the sound set outside because 1:50:14.439 --> 1:50:17.360 you have a lot of oppressed people. The South Bronx 1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:20.880 was an oppressed people at that time, but Jamaica has 1:50:21.000 --> 1:50:24.000 been an oppressed people in a third world country. And 1:50:24.160 --> 1:50:28.920 how they find peace within themselves or a little happiness 1:50:29.040 --> 1:50:31.519 out of life, it's through the tunes and through the 1:50:31.600 --> 1:50:34.920 bringing the sound system outside and playing, and that's what 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:38.320 that's what's been going on. So Hurt brought the same 1:50:38.439 --> 1:50:43.479 thing to the Bronx. That's amazing, wonderful. Thank you cool Hurt. 1:50:43.560 --> 1:50:46.640 We love you and we appreciate you. I love and 1:50:46.720 --> 1:50:50.240 appreciate everybody. But I just want to get the notion 1:50:50.400 --> 1:50:54.240 and the concept that you know, this is not one 1:50:54.479 --> 1:50:59.400 action started this, not one I don't think one party 1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:05.360 specific started this. It's the whole concept of bringing some 1:51:05.560 --> 1:51:10.799 sort of happiness to a desolate environment, bringing people together 1:51:11.000 --> 1:51:12.920 to unify. 1:51:13.240 --> 1:51:13.760 You feel me. 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:16.040 I mean, you go to a third world hut. You've 1:51:16.080 --> 1:51:18.280 you've been to Jamaica, You've seen. 1:51:18.120 --> 1:51:21.679 What it's like. Well, how did they bring peace? 1:51:21.880 --> 1:51:27.280 They blessing Cryptis, diplomats and Republicans there we are, I said. 1:51:27.080 --> 1:51:31.920 Diplomats, same same way, same gangs. 1:51:32.000 --> 1:51:34.120 They talk about gangs, this and that and the third 1:51:34.200 --> 1:51:36.519 where gangs started, and this and that. Third shit is 1:51:36.640 --> 1:51:43.400 very political and historical. Think I'm saying politics definitely like 1:51:43.560 --> 1:51:45.440 Jamaica politics. 1:51:47.000 --> 1:51:51.439 But ay wait, I think something important that Grandmaster Cas 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:55.519 told us and mc shyrock. Okay, they said hip hop 1:51:55.640 --> 1:52:01.559 didn't invent anything. It reinvented everything, right, that's my point. 1:52:02.880 --> 1:52:05.479 I don't think it was a specific or particular invention. 1:52:06.080 --> 1:52:08.400 I think that they reinvented everything. 1:52:08.479 --> 1:52:12.320 And then the art form of sampling and reinventing music 1:52:12.800 --> 1:52:14.840 and reinventing the rap. 1:52:14.800 --> 1:52:19.120 And the way we record and poetry is tom riots. 1:52:19.200 --> 1:52:23.080 Come on, now, we're talking about ancient shit, you know 1:52:23.120 --> 1:52:24.800 what I'm saying. We're not talking about some shit that's 1:52:24.840 --> 1:52:28.160 fifty years old. Were talking about some shit that's thousands 1:52:28.240 --> 1:52:28.880 of years old. 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:30.040 You understand. 1:52:31.000 --> 1:52:35.519 Yeah, yeah, simply when they were saying that. Yeah, but 1:52:35.600 --> 1:52:37.719 I love them all. I want them all to get props. 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:40.040 I want them to get paid. How about that? How 1:52:40.040 --> 1:52:43.360 about we fucking make sure who hurt gets paid? How 1:52:43.360 --> 1:52:47.599 about DJ Hollywood gets paid? How about everybody that did 1:52:47.680 --> 1:52:52.080 not get paid gets paid? Period? Give them something, give 1:52:52.120 --> 1:52:56.240 them royalties. You got sponsors. You got these people doing 1:52:56.320 --> 1:52:58.960 these big ass concerts, making millions of dollars. 1:53:00.120 --> 1:53:02.760 The older stadium. I saw it and said, fundraiser. I 1:53:03.240 --> 1:53:05.760 guess we gotta look into what the fundraising was. Oh, 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:07.960 ain't looking at this ship. Yeah no, I'm gonna look 1:53:08.000 --> 1:53:11.640 into it. I don't want to go through investigation. But 1:53:11.800 --> 1:53:17.080 my thing is the people. Should the people, yeah, exploit? 1:53:17.200 --> 1:53:20.680 Should the people have to pay more for us to 1:53:20.800 --> 1:53:22.200 celebrate our anniversary? 1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:22.760 Right? 1:53:23.840 --> 1:53:27.479 I don't think so. I think it should be free? 1:53:28.240 --> 1:53:32.599 Right, billions of dollars later, fifty years later, you made 1:53:32.920 --> 1:53:35.639 billions of dollars. You can't throw a free fucking concert 1:53:35.720 --> 1:53:39.080 for the people. Pay the artists and let the people 1:53:39.160 --> 1:53:41.280 in free. What the fuck? 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:42.320 What are you celebrating? 1:53:42.760 --> 1:53:44.880 It's true, but a free concert and Yankee Stadium might 1:53:44.920 --> 1:53:45.559 be a little loose. 1:53:47.040 --> 1:53:49.800 Nah, use the same staff, same staff. And then they 1:53:49.920 --> 1:53:53.120 climited tickets. They mean they sell their hot dogs and beer, right, 1:53:53.720 --> 1:53:58.120 niggas love them glizzies. You only got so many tickets. 1:53:58.120 --> 1:54:01.840 You're talking about a billion dollar industry. Yeah, first, first serve, 1:54:02.000 --> 1:54:05.479 sign up whatever, have two concerts three? I don't care. 1:54:07.120 --> 1:54:13.640 You know, great story, he said, I'm just sticking. 1:54:17.520 --> 1:54:20.559 I'm just saying, man, that that's that's how you show 1:54:20.600 --> 1:54:26.920 your appreciation by you know, and the government needs to 1:54:27.000 --> 1:54:28.760 treat I mean, whether it needs to or not. 1:54:29.360 --> 1:54:32.080 The fact is hip hop is really is the number 1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:34.960 one cultural export of the United States exactly, traveled the 1:54:35.000 --> 1:54:40.800 world ten times over, exactly, So why not celebrate for real. 1:54:41.320 --> 1:54:42.360 That's not a celebration. 1:54:42.560 --> 1:54:50.080 That's an exploitation, that's an opportunist Come on, bro, I mean, 1:54:50.400 --> 1:54:50.880 I want. 1:54:50.720 --> 1:54:52.640 To agree with you, and not agree with you to 1:54:52.680 --> 1:54:54.680 a certain extent, but I also want to see the good. 1:54:55.120 --> 1:54:55.320 You know. 1:54:55.440 --> 1:54:57.160 No, I see the good. I see the good that 1:54:57.240 --> 1:54:59.760 we here fifty years later and we're doing it right. 1:55:00.160 --> 1:55:04.160 But I also see where they ain't doing it for everybody? 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:04.640 Right? 1:55:04.880 --> 1:55:07.360 Yeah, period, I put in work. 1:55:07.760 --> 1:55:12.440 But isn't that like with everything, like like somebody's always 1:55:12.440 --> 1:55:17.080 gonna get Yeah, someone's like someone's always like recently recently. 1:55:17.280 --> 1:55:19.520 Oh, but it's come to the point, hold on, it's 1:55:19.560 --> 1:55:23.920 come to the point where they appropriating and certain OG's 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:27.480 and legends can't even get into the events. True, they 1:55:27.560 --> 1:55:31.920 can't even go to the events. That's disrespectful, okay, but 1:55:32.000 --> 1:55:33.280 how the are you going to talk about? 1:55:33.560 --> 1:55:36.120 Definitely advocate for a second, because the other day they 1:55:36.160 --> 1:55:39.280 had Queensbridge Day, right, and on Queensbridge Day they had 1:55:40.000 --> 1:55:43.760 they hired Big Daddy Kane and they hired somebody else, 1:55:43.760 --> 1:55:47.840 so they actually didn't hire no one from Queensbridge. But 1:55:47.920 --> 1:55:50.000 I had to listen to their complaints and I'm listening 1:55:50.400 --> 1:55:52.360 and tragedies are a close friend of mine of the 1:55:52.360 --> 1:55:54.280 tragedy was like, yo, he kind of didn't want to 1:55:54.360 --> 1:55:56.480 He didn't he say. He said that Caine invited him, 1:55:56.680 --> 1:55:58.640 but he said that when he got there, he kind 1:55:58.640 --> 1:56:00.280 of didn't even want to hit the stage. He was 1:56:00.360 --> 1:56:02.240 just like, yo, I just he wanted to be there 1:56:02.600 --> 1:56:07.600 and supporter Kinge right, but not in the support of 1:56:07.680 --> 1:56:09.440 the hood. But but what I was trying to explain 1:56:09.480 --> 1:56:11.360 to him, which which I had nothing to do with, 1:56:11.560 --> 1:56:13.200 well that has what I was saying. 1:56:13.480 --> 1:56:14.160 You could take it from there. 1:56:14.240 --> 1:56:15.720 What I said to him was like, yo, a lot 1:56:15.760 --> 1:56:17.640 of the times it'sould be an outside promo to how 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:21.160 you was just saying. And it's like people from Queensbridge 1:56:21.160 --> 1:56:22.440 are going to them like a curator. 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:24.240 They don't know who to go through the cure rate. 1:56:24.280 --> 1:56:26.680 It's just saying, whoever can get in contact with these 1:56:26.760 --> 1:56:28.520 artists right, and then that's how it's happening. 1:56:28.960 --> 1:56:30.240 So that's the problem. 1:56:30.320 --> 1:56:35.200 The problem is the organizers, the organizers or whoever it 1:56:35.320 --> 1:56:39.800 gets hired to do the task, and sometimes they're putting 1:56:39.880 --> 1:56:42.960 the wrong organizers in place, and they're not respecting the 1:56:43.080 --> 1:56:44.960 culture or where they at. 1:56:45.600 --> 1:56:48.440 Like it took Caine from Brooklyn to know. 1:56:49.040 --> 1:56:54.000 To invite a queensband guy right Trad to the event 1:56:54.680 --> 1:56:58.280 instead of the organizers saying Trad very correct, you're a 1:56:58.400 --> 1:57:01.880 community leaders, you're og from the community. 1:57:02.320 --> 1:57:04.800 We need your. 1:57:04.680 --> 1:57:10.800 Extra p we need you whoever, we need you, havoc, 1:57:11.800 --> 1:57:15.040 we need you feel me. But instead y'all just go 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:16.520 with whatever. 1:57:16.920 --> 1:57:20.240 And that's been happening since basically since people have figured 1:57:20.240 --> 1:57:22.080 out they can make money off of hip hop. 1:57:22.160 --> 1:57:27.280 Well that's what dissected it. And that's exactly what appropriation is. 1:57:27.320 --> 1:57:29.120 That's why I said it like ten times. 1:57:32.960 --> 1:57:38.160 Now because I mean obviously, like like I see the 1:57:38.240 --> 1:57:39.080 effects of hip hop. 1:57:39.240 --> 1:57:41.440 Like, like I tell you the truth. 1:57:42.520 --> 1:57:44.720 One of my favorite places to go is to go 1:57:44.800 --> 1:57:46.760 out of the country, is to perform is because I 1:57:46.800 --> 1:57:48.760 feel like the black man is gone everywhere else but 1:57:48.920 --> 1:57:50.840 America right like it's. 1:57:51.320 --> 1:57:54.800 And that's the that's the whole reverse psychology because the 1:57:54.840 --> 1:57:58.240 black man in America is god too original. 1:57:58.560 --> 1:58:00.400 Yes, it just don't feel like it right. 1:58:00.800 --> 1:58:03.600 Well, because they came here, took our ship, and then 1:58:03.680 --> 1:58:06.480 let us think that this wasn't our ship, right, but 1:58:06.680 --> 1:58:11.680 we yeah, over over time and manipulation and media. 1:58:11.920 --> 1:58:13.640 So but when I go to like places like Europe 1:58:13.680 --> 1:58:15.480 and like that, like I can go to a club 1:58:15.760 --> 1:58:18.080 and this would be all blank right, And by the 1:58:18.160 --> 1:58:19.680 time I come in and I come out, they have 1:58:19.760 --> 1:58:25.080 Compona and Norriego all over there doing grammedy and and 1:58:25.560 --> 1:58:28.480 they break dancing, and I'm sitting back and I'm like, 1:58:28.680 --> 1:58:31.480 what the fuck? And like I sat there one time 1:58:31.720 --> 1:58:34.640 the moota gave me my money and just disappeared, and 1:58:34.720 --> 1:58:36.360 I'm just like, where the fuck is he at? And 1:58:36.400 --> 1:58:38.120 then come to find out the end of the night 1:58:38.280 --> 1:58:40.240 he had all types of paint on his hand. This 1:58:40.400 --> 1:58:42.160 motherfucker was actually sitting there. 1:58:42.200 --> 1:58:46.840 And ship and then motherfucking and then he didn't set 1:58:46.880 --> 1:58:49.080 it up for for as soon as us to walk out, 1:58:49.320 --> 1:58:51.760 it was to be a breakdance carser as soon as 1:58:51.800 --> 1:58:52.280 we walked out. 1:58:52.320 --> 1:58:54.400 So me and walked out, and these guys are. 1:58:54.360 --> 1:58:57.200 Just breakdancing and just battling like it's b Street. But 1:58:57.520 --> 1:58:59.400 in Europe and I'm like hip hop is living out 1:58:59.440 --> 1:59:00.240 and sat. 1:59:00.320 --> 1:59:03.400 Let me speak to that in the Vatican. 1:59:04.840 --> 1:59:14.560 In European countries they worship mellenated people, yes, but here 1:59:14.760 --> 1:59:19.520 in this country is the opposite because they mind fucking 1:59:19.640 --> 1:59:23.920 us and took our land and took our country. So 1:59:24.120 --> 1:59:27.440 they can't educate you and worship you at the same time. 1:59:27.520 --> 1:59:31.960 They oppressing you. But all around the world, and they've 1:59:32.040 --> 1:59:34.640 done it already all around the world. But the history 1:59:35.000 --> 1:59:40.920 is known. They're educated. They know who the mellenated are. 1:59:42.440 --> 1:59:45.640 You understand, but they can't tell you that here. Can 1:59:45.680 --> 1:59:47.600 they tell you that here? And you figure out who 1:59:47.680 --> 1:59:50.840 and what you are, it's over for them, you feel me. 1:59:51.800 --> 1:59:55.240 I remember going overseas when Obama was in office. That 1:59:55.320 --> 1:59:57.440 was like the first time I kind of didn't feel racism. 1:59:57.520 --> 1:59:58.320 They was like, oh baba. 1:59:58.800 --> 1:59:59.160 I was like. 2:00:00.640 --> 2:00:03.520 They didn't really know like that. That was like racist. 2:00:04.280 --> 2:00:07.040 It's like anything they see the black person, it's like America. 2:00:07.080 --> 2:00:09.800 I was like America. It's like, I was like, oh shit, 2:00:09.920 --> 2:00:16.360 they secretly worship you. Yes, they they kiss your statues, 2:00:17.040 --> 2:00:18.640 they pray to your images. 2:00:19.960 --> 2:00:20.680 You understand me. 2:00:21.280 --> 2:00:24.360 Been in Japan. No, okay, Japan is like that for 2:00:24.480 --> 2:00:26.200 the black man. I'm telling you. That's why you look 2:00:26.200 --> 2:00:27.560 at step. 2:00:28.040 --> 2:00:28.560 I'm telling you. 2:00:28.680 --> 2:00:32.120 The world is like that for the black man, the melanated. Okay, 2:00:32.880 --> 2:00:35.080 the whole world is like that. But here in America 2:00:35.560 --> 2:00:38.520 they cannot do that. It's the opposite, right, because they 2:00:38.520 --> 2:00:42.560 were still under the mind control. Well most are. I 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:44.560 ain't under ship. I know why. 2:00:44.560 --> 2:00:46.480 I'm Jesus on the three right. 2:00:46.640 --> 2:00:49.760 Amen, Listen, if you had anything to do over, what 2:00:49.840 --> 2:00:50.520 would you do over? 2:00:51.840 --> 2:00:52.800 What would I do over? 2:00:53.720 --> 2:00:54.040 Mmm? 2:00:56.040 --> 2:00:59.800 Just maybe some of the business some of the business 2:01:00.080 --> 2:01:04.600 moves that I've made, and some of the deals that 2:01:04.720 --> 2:01:06.560 I agreed to, are the deals that I made I 2:01:06.560 --> 2:01:08.760 would change, you know what I'm saying. 2:01:09.320 --> 2:01:10.280 Yeah, that's about it. 2:01:11.080 --> 2:01:15.560 Otherwise, life's experiences make you who you are, right, And 2:01:15.720 --> 2:01:19.720 if I changed anything other you know, I might not 2:01:19.880 --> 2:01:22.880 be have the same perspective on mindset. You feel me 2:01:23.360 --> 2:01:25.400 because because I think a lot of people come in 2:01:25.480 --> 2:01:28.640 the game with a strong mind, but then they get 2:01:28.760 --> 2:01:32.440 let up. They get you know, delusion by whatever. You 2:01:32.520 --> 2:01:37.120 know what I'm saying, Drugs, fantasies of you know, delusions 2:01:37.160 --> 2:01:40.240 of grandeur. Yeah, shit like that. And then they turn 2:01:40.400 --> 2:01:44.920 into something else. They save themselves. You feel me. It's 2:01:44.920 --> 2:01:48.120 about how can I win? How can I save myself? 2:01:48.160 --> 2:01:50.680 How can I become rich? How can I get the 2:01:50.840 --> 2:01:51.800 mansion in the yacht? 2:01:51.880 --> 2:01:55.240 You feel me? And they forget about the plight of 2:01:55.320 --> 2:01:55.800 the people. 2:01:56.320 --> 2:02:01.240 They forget about their families, They children run, You feel me? 2:02:02.320 --> 2:02:04.560 Yeah? If you? If you? If aliens came down, I 2:02:04.640 --> 2:02:06.520 know touching this. I love aliens. 2:02:06.840 --> 2:02:10.720 W Aliens came down, and I want to learn hip hop. 2:02:11.560 --> 2:02:13.680 And you have one album to give them, Just one 2:02:13.800 --> 2:02:17.080 album for the Aliens to go back Intoday's spaceship or whatever, 2:02:17.160 --> 2:02:18.320 the Martians, whatever. 2:02:18.760 --> 2:02:19.920 My ship, youngest in charge. 2:02:23.880 --> 2:02:26.400 The first thing that go is I'm your idol, the 2:02:26.600 --> 2:02:35.840 highest title held. Yeah, yes, I mean, I mean you know. 2:02:36.200 --> 2:02:38.640 Because I honestly you know, I know we've been playing around. 2:02:38.680 --> 2:02:42.080 But you looking so good like Kelly's young brothers. Like 2:02:42.240 --> 2:02:44.320 how you can maintain this type of regimen because like 2:02:44.360 --> 2:02:45.960 you said, I think you say it's fifty one and 2:02:46.280 --> 2:02:48.880 you're looking like you fucking fucking twenty one. 2:02:48.960 --> 2:02:49.080 Bro. 2:02:49.320 --> 2:02:52.160 Like I'm trying to look for the Beijing. It's not 2:02:52.200 --> 2:02:54.680 coming out us, No, it's not coming out. 2:02:56.280 --> 2:02:56.440 Real. 2:02:56.520 --> 2:03:02.560 Wea one thing is. One thing is genetics. That's for one. 2:03:03.120 --> 2:03:06.320 For two is exactly what you put into your body, 2:03:06.400 --> 2:03:10.440 what you consumes. No, not yet. I'm kind of more 2:03:10.560 --> 2:03:15.240 pescatarian issues. Okay, but I'm more conscious. I'm more conscious 2:03:15.320 --> 2:03:18.320 than anything, you know what I'm saying. When we're younger, 2:03:19.000 --> 2:03:22.240 we tend to eat anything, and we eat anything they sell. 2:03:22.880 --> 2:03:26.240 But when I was younger, I was conscious, and I 2:03:26.320 --> 2:03:29.680 stopped eating pork at a very young age, a boxtail. 2:03:31.040 --> 2:03:35.080 I stopped eating beef. I stop eating pork. I stop 2:03:35.120 --> 2:03:38.240 eating chicken. For the most part, I eat chicken sparingly. 2:03:38.680 --> 2:03:40.880 Okay, yeah that much. 2:03:43.440 --> 2:03:48.440 But the fact is, the fact is I'm drinking the 2:03:48.600 --> 2:03:51.720 proper liquid. I don't funk with sodas and all that. Fruits, 2:03:52.040 --> 2:03:57.560 fruits and vegetables, fruits and berries. Vegetables is what you eat. 2:03:57.600 --> 2:04:00.320 You are what you eat. The energy you get when 2:04:00.360 --> 2:04:01.920 you eat fruits and a salad. 2:04:02.000 --> 2:04:04.280 It's way different than you eat a play a steak 2:04:04.360 --> 2:04:07.720 and you go to sleep. You understand. So you have 2:04:07.920 --> 2:04:09.680 to deal with reality. 2:04:10.280 --> 2:04:12.200 Now, you have to deal with what's going to sustain 2:04:12.280 --> 2:04:14.880 you and keep you alive and keep you in good 2:04:14.960 --> 2:04:15.920 physical condition. 2:04:16.400 --> 2:04:18.040 I said, you make it what was the hardest food 2:04:18.080 --> 2:04:19.840 to cut off by? 2:04:20.040 --> 2:04:23.440 Just the beef? Oxtail? I love pepper steak. I used 2:04:23.480 --> 2:04:24.760 to love pepper steak. 2:04:25.800 --> 2:04:30.840 Yeah, man, oxtail, curry goat, come on, man, yeah, I 2:04:30.960 --> 2:04:33.480 stop all of that. I might once a year, I 2:04:33.560 --> 2:04:36.000 might eat my mom's curry goat. She'll make something and 2:04:36.120 --> 2:04:38.640 I eat some curry goat once a year. But even 2:04:38.680 --> 2:04:44.320 when I do that, it's different. I feel different, smell different. 2:04:52.320 --> 2:04:56.160 But you have to know what these things do inside 2:04:56.240 --> 2:05:00.600 your body. They stay in your body, they rot, and 2:05:00.720 --> 2:05:03.600 that cannot be good for you or your digestive system. 2:05:03.680 --> 2:05:05.720 I tell you, I was vegan for like eight months 2:05:05.800 --> 2:05:08.760 to a year, and the favorite foods I ever ate 2:05:08.800 --> 2:05:11.440 when I was had that vegan expirits had always came 2:05:11.480 --> 2:05:14.320 from the island and came from vegetarian Delight. It's a 2:05:14.840 --> 2:05:19.880 place out here. They coconuts. Well, it's all Jamaica. It's 2:05:19.920 --> 2:05:25.000 all seasoning, right. Seasoning determines everything. Like I love salads, 2:05:25.520 --> 2:05:28.560 and you can just put whatever dressing you like. But 2:05:28.760 --> 2:05:31.120 I love like when I say I love salad, I 2:05:31.280 --> 2:05:31.960 love salad. 2:05:32.040 --> 2:05:35.000 Man and fruits. Fruits is the best ship on the 2:05:35.080 --> 2:05:38.080 earth of your kale. Guy nah kale is cool. 2:05:38.160 --> 2:05:42.880 I put everything I like spinach, lettuce, romaine, spring mix, 2:05:43.280 --> 2:05:45.000 and I do a little bit of food science, so 2:05:45.040 --> 2:05:47.200 I don't do too much iceberg, lettuce and ship that 2:05:47.560 --> 2:05:49.520 has no nutritional value. 2:05:52.240 --> 2:05:52.480 Water. 2:05:53.680 --> 2:05:56.080 But for the most part, you just have to understand 2:05:56.440 --> 2:05:58.480 what you're eating and how it helps you. 2:05:58.720 --> 2:05:59.880 Okay, and do that. 2:06:00.160 --> 2:06:00.320 Man. 2:06:00.400 --> 2:06:03.920 You know I'm into you know, the ginger, turmeric, all 2:06:04.040 --> 2:06:07.960 kind of shit, lemon like, I deal with natural substances. 2:06:08.080 --> 2:06:08.200 Man. 2:06:08.240 --> 2:06:10.320 That's what we have to get back to, is ship 2:06:10.440 --> 2:06:14.320 with one ingredient. What it is You eat an orange, 2:06:14.440 --> 2:06:16.720 you know, it's a fucking orange, you know what I'm saying. 2:06:16.960 --> 2:06:18.600 But you eat some other ship. It got a whole 2:06:18.680 --> 2:06:21.120 list of ship on way too much. There you go 2:06:21.280 --> 2:06:23.560 big up money love too. She's she's like on that too. 2:06:23.600 --> 2:06:25.960 She's Jamaican too. It's your Jamaica's with the good jeens. Yeah, 2:06:26.000 --> 2:06:27.840 you don't get it twisted, and some Jamaicas some fucked 2:06:27.880 --> 2:06:28.240 up geens. 2:06:28.760 --> 2:06:33.240 Now, it's an individual. It's how much you care for 2:06:33.360 --> 2:06:38.560 your data, mind, your temple, and your consciousness of what 2:06:38.800 --> 2:06:42.000 you are doing to yourself. It's just like me, stop. 2:06:42.200 --> 2:06:45.080 I stopped drinking. Yeah, I used to drink. I stopped smoking. Yeah, 2:06:45.080 --> 2:06:46.200 I used to smoke so. 2:06:46.400 --> 2:06:48.960 And not all the time. Was I who I am? 2:06:49.120 --> 2:06:49.280 Now? 2:06:49.840 --> 2:06:50.600 You take edibles? 2:06:50.960 --> 2:06:55.760 No, I don't even do edible because because I stopped drinking. 2:06:55.840 --> 2:07:02.280 Because alcohol, alcohol causes poor behavior. Alcohol is poisons. And 2:07:03.680 --> 2:07:06.400 would you drink a whole bottle of cough medicine at once? 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:07.640 Yeah? 2:07:07.720 --> 2:07:12.480 That has that has a that has a percent of alcohol. See, 2:07:14.040 --> 2:07:17.640 you also got to be mobile. You gotta a body 2:07:18.080 --> 2:07:20.800 in motion, stays in motion, So you gotta do shit too. 2:07:21.000 --> 2:07:24.240 I walk, I ride bikes, I swim, I do whatever 2:07:24.400 --> 2:07:28.240 you feel me. I love the ocean. I love the ocean. 2:07:28.480 --> 2:07:34.160 So who you battling in versus? First of all, I 2:07:34.400 --> 2:07:36.600 just call you right now. Say if Swiss called me, 2:07:36.680 --> 2:07:39.360 he got to tell me a dollar amount. Damn period. 2:07:39.600 --> 2:07:43.240 I need to hear about the money. I need to 2:07:43.280 --> 2:07:44.440 hear worth. 2:07:44.800 --> 2:07:47.480 I'm not doing this for TV. I don't need to 2:07:47.560 --> 2:07:50.640 be on TV like that. I've been on TV for 2:07:50.800 --> 2:07:54.280 thirty years. I'm not doing this just to have an 2:07:54.320 --> 2:07:57.800 episode or some shit on TV. I'm doing this so 2:07:58.040 --> 2:08:00.000 because I respect what y'all doing. 2:08:00.480 --> 2:08:01.400 And we appreciate that. 2:08:03.120 --> 2:08:07.640 And you have to tell your story or else somebody 2:08:07.680 --> 2:08:10.240 else wanna try to tell your story. So I'm here 2:08:10.320 --> 2:08:11.040 to inform. 2:08:11.160 --> 2:08:14.120 I'm here to educate and let it be known. But okay, 2:08:14.200 --> 2:08:15.600 let me just ask. 2:08:16.280 --> 2:08:19.760 Let's supposed Swiss call you and say, on special ad, 2:08:20.120 --> 2:08:23.360 I want you to pick your oppony. Who would in 2:08:23.480 --> 2:08:25.400 your mind? You say, all right, I'm supposed to dollar 2:08:25.560 --> 2:08:28.120 mint is great, right, dollar mine is great? I pick anybody. 2:08:28.120 --> 2:08:30.800 I don't give who would you pick them? 2:08:30.840 --> 2:08:34.600 Swiss? Do a poll, y'all, niggas, do whatever y'all want. 2:08:34.720 --> 2:08:40.280 Put whoever you want on that stage. Okay, yeah, I'm 2:08:40.280 --> 2:08:43.560 gonna do. I'm gonna get them all bucks shorty. Hell yeah, Okay. 2:08:44.920 --> 2:08:46.800 I'm versus with anybody. That's the point. 2:08:47.040 --> 2:08:48.520 Okay, I'm versus with anybody. 2:08:48.600 --> 2:08:49.120 Y'all pay me. 2:08:49.640 --> 2:08:50.400 I'm gonna be there. 2:08:50.680 --> 2:08:56.400 I'm versus anybody who else is as I'm versus in anybody. 2:08:56.560 --> 2:09:00.520 Now. Daddy came win already though, No, but I'm just 2:09:00.560 --> 2:09:02.880 saying for him. I just want to Granddaddy, you would 2:09:02.920 --> 2:09:05.840 have been a good one. Granddaddy. 2:09:05.960 --> 2:09:06.160 Yeah. 2:09:06.920 --> 2:09:08.800 Uh oh. 2:09:10.560 --> 2:09:14.160 Man, listen, I verse I ain't no challenge. That's the 2:09:14.200 --> 2:09:15.920 whole point. That's how I got where I am today 2:09:15.960 --> 2:09:17.920 because I ain't turned down. No, I used to walk 2:09:17.960 --> 2:09:20.080 down the streets of Brooklyn and just run up on 2:09:20.560 --> 2:09:23.760 Cypher's like me, Skinny. I used to be like a 2:09:23.880 --> 2:09:28.200 buck thirty, like skinny, little nig like I run up 2:09:28.240 --> 2:09:31.760 on anybody and battle anybody matter of fact. When I 2:09:31.840 --> 2:09:35.280 first got to Erasmus at first, yeah, when I first 2:09:35.320 --> 2:09:38.800 got to Erasmus whole high school, my first week in 2:09:38.920 --> 2:09:41.400 high school, I looked for the nicest MC and I 2:09:42.000 --> 2:09:43.440 battle him for his name. 2:09:44.560 --> 2:09:46.000 Damn straight for the name. 2:09:46.080 --> 2:09:49.840 I'm going for the Gusto jail style mentality. We're gonna 2:09:49.880 --> 2:09:51.400 wear the hardest way where it's at. 2:09:51.600 --> 2:09:52.320 Okay, come on. 2:09:52.600 --> 2:09:56.200 So that's what I did. Man, I wasn't I challenged anybody. 2:09:56.720 --> 2:09:58.320 You know what I'm saying. I walked down the street. 2:09:58.760 --> 2:10:01.280 I don't give a fu how tough anybody. Look, I'm 2:10:01.520 --> 2:10:02.640 taking titles out here. 2:10:03.640 --> 2:10:05.160 Yeah, well, man, you. 2:10:05.240 --> 2:10:08.520 A motherfucking legend. Man, I'm so glad you got to 2:10:09.280 --> 2:10:10.880 sit down with us. Man, just let you know this 2:10:11.000 --> 2:10:12.880 is your platform. If you want to come in here 2:10:12.880 --> 2:10:16.000 and promote pink toenails. We don't care, like we don't 2:10:16.000 --> 2:10:16.240 know what. 2:10:18.040 --> 2:10:22.720 Promoted lady, but you know we. 2:10:22.760 --> 2:10:24.840 Want you to know, man, because you know, in our 2:10:25.240 --> 2:10:28.200 our our genre, our music, so many people want to 2:10:28.200 --> 2:10:30.320 say that you got ten years or more, that you know, 2:10:31.080 --> 2:10:33.280 your old school and you're washed up. And I hate 2:10:33.280 --> 2:10:34.680 that because you know, they. 2:10:34.560 --> 2:10:36.000 Don't have that in jazz, they don't have that in 2:10:36.120 --> 2:10:37.560 rock and roll, they don't have that in any other 2:10:37.640 --> 2:10:38.200 job space. 2:10:38.440 --> 2:10:40.760 They don't even have it in dance hall, you know 2:10:40.800 --> 2:10:41.280 what I'm saying. 2:10:41.520 --> 2:10:41.880 They like. 2:10:43.440 --> 2:10:45.120 So the fact that they have it in hip hop, 2:10:45.160 --> 2:10:46.600 this is something to me and my partner wanted to 2:10:46.640 --> 2:10:48.200 change from the beginning. He was just like, you know what, 2:10:48.560 --> 2:10:50.640 if we got a platform, we want to salute the 2:10:50.680 --> 2:10:52.840 people who's been there before us and give them their 2:10:52.920 --> 2:10:55.040 flowers and tell them to they face, you know what saying. 2:10:55.240 --> 2:10:57.400 So now everyone wants to give people flowers. Me and him, 2:10:57.520 --> 2:10:59.920 we didn't invent the phrase, but we may reinvent it. 2:11:03.680 --> 2:11:05.720 And you are one of the people that definitely wanted 2:11:05.720 --> 2:11:07.720 to give the flowers to because you deserve it. 2:11:07.960 --> 2:11:10.080 You are a legend, you an icon. You continue to 2:11:10.160 --> 2:11:10.360 do it. 2:11:10.560 --> 2:11:12.840 You out here monkey footing the games because you're out 2:11:12.880 --> 2:11:15.080 here still throwing shows, doing what you gotta do. Man, 2:11:15.240 --> 2:11:20.640 I want to show you love. I appreciate it, and 2:11:21.160 --> 2:11:23.040 I forgot to ask what you got going coming up 2:11:23.080 --> 2:11:25.480 besides the shows? You got anything else coming up? 2:11:26.080 --> 2:11:28.720 Well, more shows I'm doing. We're going out to Chicago. 2:11:28.840 --> 2:11:31.240 What I've been doing is this stop the violence movement? 2:11:31.320 --> 2:11:31.800 You feel me? 2:11:33.280 --> 2:11:38.640 Shortly after pnb Rock got killed, Corrupt called me and 2:11:39.240 --> 2:11:41.160 he was like, yo, man, we need to you know, 2:11:41.640 --> 2:11:44.480 do something about this. We need to unify because he 2:11:44.520 --> 2:11:47.840 always called me for enlightenment. You know what I'm saying, 2:11:47.920 --> 2:11:51.360 that's a big bro. And I agreed, and I said, 2:11:51.400 --> 2:11:53.920 you know what, let me see what we can do 2:11:54.120 --> 2:11:58.400 to make all of this happen. And we started bringing 2:11:58.480 --> 2:12:02.960 everybody together on these calls for to Stop the Violence movement. 2:12:03.560 --> 2:12:05.680 And that's a part of my mission. 2:12:05.760 --> 2:12:09.800 What I'm out here to do is just utilize all 2:12:09.880 --> 2:12:14.280 of our resources and our influence to help these youths 2:12:14.520 --> 2:12:19.000 redirect their energies because their energies is up. 2:12:18.920 --> 2:12:19.320 In the air. 2:12:19.440 --> 2:12:19.600 Man. 2:12:19.920 --> 2:12:24.000 It's getting very negative and very very very hectic out 2:12:24.080 --> 2:12:28.360 there for kids. These is our children, man, These is 2:12:28.480 --> 2:12:33.080 like teenagers. We can't let them destroy themselves. So that's 2:12:33.200 --> 2:12:37.080 my mission. So I'm going around everywhere and I'm talking 2:12:37.160 --> 2:12:41.280 to all the kids I can, all ages, and just 2:12:41.840 --> 2:12:44.560 letting them know and based on giving them my life's 2:12:44.640 --> 2:12:47.840 experience what I had to go through, you know, from 2:12:48.160 --> 2:12:51.280 a child till now, and showing them as an example 2:12:51.400 --> 2:12:54.480 of you can be successful. You don't have to compromise 2:12:54.560 --> 2:12:57.720 your integrity. You don't have to go follow the crowd. 2:12:57.880 --> 2:13:01.160 You don't have to you know, follow the gang mentality 2:13:01.440 --> 2:13:05.520 if it's not positive, because there are organizations that are 2:13:05.680 --> 2:13:11.680 positive and have changed how they approach that whole gang 2:13:12.160 --> 2:13:18.000 quote unquote mentality. So we turning, were turning everything into 2:13:18.120 --> 2:13:20.880 a positive right now. That's my whole goal. I ain't 2:13:20.880 --> 2:13:23.680 in no competition. I don't care about the record industry. 2:13:24.640 --> 2:13:25.480 It's done enough. 2:13:26.520 --> 2:13:28.040 What did you get to that level where you were 2:13:28.120 --> 2:13:30.280 just like, you know a few years. 2:13:30.040 --> 2:13:33.920 Ago, it's been some years now. I just see everybody 2:13:34.160 --> 2:13:36.720 like it's like a rat race. I see what they 2:13:36.880 --> 2:13:40.320 do for money. I see how they use and abuse artists, 2:13:40.880 --> 2:13:45.320 and how they just undermine people's value and. 2:13:46.920 --> 2:13:48.880 The work that they put in. 2:13:49.520 --> 2:13:52.120 You know what I'm saying, it's like shit going back 2:13:52.160 --> 2:13:57.160 and forth with og artists, pitting them against newer artists 2:13:57.200 --> 2:13:59.520 and doing all kinds of dumb shit like this is 2:13:59.560 --> 2:14:02.320 not a petition in that sense. I think we need 2:14:02.440 --> 2:14:07.040 to bring it back to something more, more more pure, 2:14:07.200 --> 2:14:12.000 man more organic, and stop stop trying to create rivalry 2:14:12.320 --> 2:14:12.840 all the time. 2:14:13.840 --> 2:14:16.880 I remember me looking up to artists that came before me. 2:14:17.080 --> 2:14:19.240 Do you think these new artists they lost that? 2:14:19.960 --> 2:14:22.440 Yeah? I think they lost it because we're not going 2:14:22.520 --> 2:14:25.640 back out there and speaking to them and engaging and 2:14:25.800 --> 2:14:29.000 teaching them. But I do. That's my whole point in 2:14:29.080 --> 2:14:33.600 my purpose is what I'm doing with my organization special 2:14:33.680 --> 2:14:36.760 at Arts and Literacy SEAL, And that's my whole mission 2:14:36.840 --> 2:14:40.360 right now. I don't care about the music game and 2:14:40.440 --> 2:14:43.720 the industry because I know what it comprises, what it 2:14:44.000 --> 2:14:44.560 consists of. 2:14:44.680 --> 2:14:49.280 It's it's a road to destruction for most. So I 2:14:49.320 --> 2:14:50.760 ain't even worried about that no more. 2:14:50.760 --> 2:14:55.200 I'm worried about how do I change the minds of 2:14:55.360 --> 2:15:00.040 these children so that they don't destroy themselves. You you 2:15:00.160 --> 2:15:04.000 don't have to die to be famous. You understand, you 2:15:04.120 --> 2:15:06.080 don't have to die to be famous. 2:15:06.000 --> 2:15:07.720 Or get hurt or get hurt, because that's what a 2:15:07.760 --> 2:15:09.520 lot of people are doing now too. They're getting hurt 2:15:09.560 --> 2:15:12.240 and then it's like it's a vived or stabbing or 2:15:12.320 --> 2:15:12.720 something like that. 2:15:13.120 --> 2:15:17.240 Right, And it's the mentality. It's like they're going out here. 2:15:17.720 --> 2:15:21.720 They've taken stunting to a whole other level, and then 2:15:22.120 --> 2:15:26.560 they're endangering themselves and then they have to arm themselves, 2:15:26.920 --> 2:15:30.120 which is causing more gun violence. You feel me, and 2:15:30.200 --> 2:15:32.560 then they get their feelings hurt, and then they want 2:15:32.600 --> 2:15:35.240 to pull the gun out because they feelings is hurt. 2:15:35.400 --> 2:15:38.240 You understand, that's not what this is based on. 2:15:38.480 --> 2:15:42.600 You use a firearm to protect yourself, to protect your life, 2:15:43.160 --> 2:15:46.960 not to go and threaten or endanger or take someone 2:15:47.040 --> 2:15:49.880 else's life or rob somebody. That's not what you use 2:15:49.960 --> 2:15:52.760 a firearm for. You know what I'm saying. That's called crime. 2:15:52.840 --> 2:15:56.520 That's criminal. You feel me, and we don't want them 2:15:56.640 --> 2:15:59.440 to believe that that's what they need to be out 2:15:59.480 --> 2:15:59.920 there doing. 2:16:00.240 --> 2:16:00.280 No. 2:16:01.080 --> 2:16:03.600 I mean shit, I've had a fire on my entire life. 2:16:04.080 --> 2:16:07.040 I never accostant or threatened anybody with it. You know 2:16:07.080 --> 2:16:09.720 what I'm saying. It's for me to defend myself and 2:16:09.840 --> 2:16:13.240 my family and what I have, my possessions. I'm not 2:16:13.400 --> 2:16:16.800 out here flashing. I've had a file since I was 2:16:16.840 --> 2:16:21.400 a teen, before I made records. You understand me, before 2:16:21.480 --> 2:16:24.080 I before the age of fifteen, I had a fire 2:16:24.240 --> 2:16:26.840 arm and I never had to pull it out and 2:16:27.000 --> 2:16:31.520 flass it. Not legally, nah, but now it's legal. Ever 2:16:31.600 --> 2:16:34.400 since I became of legal age and got into a 2:16:34.480 --> 2:16:38.400 legal situation where I could do it legally. We're good, 2:16:39.000 --> 2:16:42.000 you feel me? And that's a right, that's our that's 2:16:42.080 --> 2:16:47.000 our rights as what they call this citizens. Here we go, 2:16:47.520 --> 2:16:49.840 this is my right as a citizen. I'm just exercising 2:16:49.920 --> 2:16:56.480 my right. So yeah, so and responsibly not to intimidate 2:16:56.600 --> 2:16:57.560 or harm anybody. 2:16:58.320 --> 2:17:01.680 And that's the thing they out here, trying to intimidate and. 2:17:01.720 --> 2:17:04.840 Harm people and broadcasting it and broadcast Yeah, and that's 2:17:04.879 --> 2:17:05.640 not what we want. 2:17:05.720 --> 2:17:07.560 That's not what we own, you know what I'm saying. 2:17:07.640 --> 2:17:10.080 We want to just teach the kids better from a 2:17:10.200 --> 2:17:14.119 young age so that they don't grow into because once 2:17:14.160 --> 2:17:17.360 they become a teenager and they mindset and they ready 2:17:17.400 --> 2:17:19.600 to go, they ready to go to so so I 2:17:19.680 --> 2:17:21.279 try to get them a little earlier. 2:17:21.760 --> 2:17:23.720 And even with the teens, I talk to them too. 2:17:24.240 --> 2:17:26.560 But once they gone and they you know, clap that 2:17:26.680 --> 2:17:29.680 thing a few times, they get that energy, Yeah, they 2:17:29.760 --> 2:17:30.480 go to their heads. 2:17:30.520 --> 2:17:31.840 So we got to stop that. 2:17:32.080 --> 2:17:35.119 We got to prevent that, you know, and the one 2:17:35.160 --> 2:17:36.920 thing I can say, and the one thing I would 2:17:36.959 --> 2:17:39.760 love to say, please, And I would say to all 2:17:39.800 --> 2:17:45.840 the youth out there, all you thugs, have you ever 2:17:46.120 --> 2:17:50.160 pointed your gun at someone else other than your own 2:17:50.280 --> 2:17:51.600 brother or sister? 2:17:52.840 --> 2:17:54.920 Have you ever ever? 2:17:57.600 --> 2:18:00.560 No, I don't see you pointed at anyone else except yourselves. 2:18:01.040 --> 2:18:03.280 You might as well point it in the mirror, you 2:18:03.400 --> 2:18:08.080 feel me, because you're only killing yourselves. You're not standing 2:18:08.160 --> 2:18:12.760 up for yourselves against the real oppressors, against the real 2:18:12.920 --> 2:18:16.120 people that are really oppressing you and taking from you 2:18:16.400 --> 2:18:20.520 and causing you to be in poverty. And in these conditions, 2:18:21.480 --> 2:18:25.119 you're not pointing a gun at them. You pointed at 2:18:25.160 --> 2:18:29.879 your own family. Don't point your gun in no mellenated people. 2:18:31.400 --> 2:18:35.959 That's all I'm saying. Stop pointing your guns at melaninated people. 2:18:37.000 --> 2:18:41.080 That's like killing yourself, and don't. I don't want you 2:18:41.200 --> 2:18:43.199 killing yourself, right. 2:18:49.400 --> 2:18:51.879 Damn, man, that was that was hard. I don't even know. 2:18:55.440 --> 2:18:55.560 Yo. 2:18:55.720 --> 2:18:58.480 Man once again, especial that man. We appreciate you mas 2:18:58.800 --> 2:19:01.160 coming through man. Like I said, this is your house, man, 2:19:01.160 --> 2:19:03.359 anytime you want to come and promote it. Man, I appreciate, 2:19:03.640 --> 2:19:07.120 we appreciate, we appreciate you showing uh the ogs that 2:19:07.160 --> 2:19:10.560 you can actually still maintain into this this environment. And 2:19:10.800 --> 2:19:16.320 I really want to respect your company because that's what 2:19:16.520 --> 2:19:17.800 artists should be taking care of artists. 2:19:17.800 --> 2:19:19.000 From the beginning, I knew that. 2:19:19.040 --> 2:19:20.960 I didn't know that you actually had a company that 2:19:21.160 --> 2:19:25.039 was catering to towards that. So I knew that from 2:19:25.080 --> 2:19:28.160 from from from the first person, I was like, Yo, 2:19:28.240 --> 2:19:30.760 he kind of like did everything everything I asked for, 2:19:30.959 --> 2:19:31.800 Like he already did it. 2:19:32.160 --> 2:19:33.680 So I love that man. 2:19:33.720 --> 2:19:36.400 I just want to continue to support you. Get all 2:19:36.480 --> 2:19:43.959 bless this man. Like I said, give you your flowers, 2:19:44.040 --> 2:19:44.480 my brother. 2:19:44.440 --> 2:19:46.760 Dave Man, I appreciate it. 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