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Speaker 1: He is drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary queens rapper.

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Speaker 1: He ain't agreed. That's your boy in O R E.

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Speaker 1: He's a Miami hip hop pioneer. What Up it's DJ.

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Speaker 2: E f N. Together they drink it up with some of.

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Speaker 1: The biggest players, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one

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Speaker 2: source for drunk.

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Speaker 1: Fast drink chants. Motherfuck post every day.

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Speaker 2: Is New Year's s E. Listen, it's time for drink champs,

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Speaker 2: drink up, motherfucking.

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Speaker 3: Mother would a good be hoping he's gonna should be.

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Speaker 3: This your boy in O R E? What Up?

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Speaker 1: Is DJ E f N?

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Speaker 2: And this is.

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Speaker 3: Motherfucking classic drink Chess make And right now, when I

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Speaker 3: tell you, man, this man basically raised me with his music.

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Speaker 1: Man legend.

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Speaker 3: This man has been out here, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: a monkey foot in the game for years. We've been

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Speaker 3: working out to it all week, listening to his music.

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Speaker 3: Just the brush up on what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: The man is. It's a legend of legend. He's an icon.

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Speaker 3: His wordplay, the ship that he was doing back then,

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Speaker 3: Holy moly, guacamole is still doing now still got festival,

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Speaker 3: still got.

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Speaker 1: Shit going on. In case you don't know the fun

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Speaker 1: we about.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: This is a song where I was going through your catalog.

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Speaker 3: This is a song immediately and never go back?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, is that?

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Speaker 2: Can I live sample? Nah?

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Speaker 1: Can I live sample? Never go back?

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, That's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, I came out first with it. That was produced

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Speaker 2: by hit Man How We Tea? And first, let me

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Speaker 2: just tell T send my love and respect in regards

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Speaker 2: to hit Man How We te Man?

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Speaker 1: He changed my life.

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Speaker 2: He changed a lot of people's lives man, but mind

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Speaker 2: especially Man since I was fifteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: He's also produced for Chub Rocks absolutely chub Rock, Little

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Speaker 2: Sean Pumo, Whistle U TF folder, Real Rock Saying, and

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Speaker 2: the list goes on and on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's let's get back to what we were

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Speaker 3: talking about being for that.

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Speaker 2: Never go back the sample.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm listening to it. Wow, did Jay get that

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Speaker 3: off for you?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: At least at least I did because I put it

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Speaker 2: out first. I mean, the way it goes and hip

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Speaker 2: hop is when you hear something and then.

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Speaker 1: You do it. You did it based on what you heard.

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Speaker 2: Is it.

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Speaker 1: How we did that, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We could look on like Isaac cays, you can look

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Speaker 2: on whose sample or whatever, but yeah, how we I

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Speaker 2: just coming, I just come in the studio, and how

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Speaker 2: we got it playing. I actually wrote that joint in

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Speaker 2: probably about thirty minutes the whole song, because that's how

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Speaker 1: Off the beat. I was like, oh, this ship is hard, and.

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Speaker 2: It's the kind of yeah, it's the kind of vibing

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Speaker 2: level you could really kind of freestyle. But there was

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Speaker 2: factors involved. He was at the time, he was working

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Speaker 2: with Little Vicious. Yeah, so I threw them in there.

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Speaker 2: Donovan shout outs to the hustler. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: and that see you got the Saint Norir hosest.

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Speaker 1: All praises.

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Speaker 2: Do I need one man sat ed candle burn that

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Speaker 2: shit all day?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm Jamaican ja.

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons why my first record

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Speaker 2: I said I'm not a Puerto Rican because coming from

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Speaker 2: everybody thought I was everything Dominican Puerto Rican every day.

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Speaker 2: So I had to kind of dispel that one time.

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Speaker 2: But I never got the answer Jamaican from anybody, right.

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Speaker 3: Because I always I mean, listening to your music, we

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Speaker 3: all that. I always thought that you were Guyanese. I

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Speaker 3: always thought that to me, Guyanese like Jamaica's cousins.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, we's all from the Caribbean.

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Speaker 2: It's all the Caribbean, same areas, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Puerto Rican, Cuba, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just the colonizes.

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Speaker 2: I believe language the colonizer spoke right right, yeah, I believe.

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Speaker 3: The first time I met you, I said, are you

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Speaker 1: He's not a Puerto Rican.

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Speaker 3: And I said, listen, all right, let's let's.

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Speaker 2: Do you know.

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Speaker 3: You have arguably one of the best beats ever made

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Speaker 3: in hip hop.

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Speaker 1: Howie Tea once again?

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Speaker 2: I got it made, how made ty? How We Tea

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Speaker 2: changed my life. He actually produced the entire first album,

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Speaker 2: Young and Youngest in Sharks, and at the time I

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Speaker 2: y Ronan. But I was actually going through the crates

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Speaker 2: he actually wanted to give me producer credit and I refused.

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Speaker 2: I was now, man, I was like back then, yeah,

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Speaker 2: back then, because I was just honored to have.

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Speaker 3: Him, as you'd have been the first, off, daddy, the first, like.

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Speaker 1: I am the first.

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Speaker 2: I am unequivocal.

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Speaker 3: Me now.

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Speaker 2: And in terms of that, now, let's talk about that

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Speaker 2: we are we invented all that remix ship period, so

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Speaker 2: they could claim whatever they want, but how We Tea

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Speaker 2: was the one. How we remix everything, and not just

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Speaker 2: for me, for every other artist as well. So when

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Speaker 2: they talk about remix this and we the remix that, no,

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Speaker 2: y'all not man, how we Tea Brooklyn, New York, let's go,

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Speaker 2: it's like Harry.

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Speaker 1: I can't even put it on blasts.

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Speaker 3: And so last night, because I got the worst phone

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Speaker 3: in the world, I'm gonna send this to hash. You

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Speaker 3: got the better phone, right, I mean, yes, this.

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Speaker 2: Was this last time we tea to remain one.

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Speaker 3: Kids hooked up so you could play it.

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Speaker 1: Your little Bobby, how did you guess? Connect you and

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Speaker 1: Howie te how we tea?

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Speaker 2: Howie Tea lived across the street from my first cousins flat,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so we grew up right across the street.

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Speaker 2: I seen it, neew them all my life, like when

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Speaker 2: they first came out, we'll like get tough in like

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Speaker 4: Like we was.

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Speaker 1: We was there. I was there when it was making.

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Speaker 1: He's brock cousin.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay okay, And I believe actually little Sean had

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Speaker 2: to bring him to Howie he you know, he was bashful.

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Speaker 2: I guess you know what I'm saying, But I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: So I went to my cousin and I was like, yo,

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Speaker 1: No, I was that little, was always was.

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Speaker 2: But that's how long I've been around how we tea

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Speaker 2: and production and all that stuff. So they used to

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Speaker 2: take me across the street to watch them make mixtapes.

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Speaker 1: They used to have to set outside and DJ and hap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they used to have the crew out there

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Speaker 2: it was like incredible. I was like, oh ship, they

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Speaker 1: But they making mixtapes.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 2: And that was my first real hands on exposure, and

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Speaker 2: then one time he made a mixtape and he remade

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Speaker 2: the Bubble Bunch Beat. Shout out to Jimmy Spicer Man

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Speaker 2: because that's my other biggest influence because he was from

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Speaker 2: Flatbush two he was from Brooklyn and super round Bubble

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Speaker 2: Bunch Dollar Bill y'all. Yeah, that was Jimmy Spicer Man.

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Speaker 2: I used to listen to that religiously.

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Speaker 3: So you said you had You just did a concert

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Speaker 3: in Cony Island.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I curate. I do concerts.

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Speaker 2: I did Coney Island Hip Hop fiftieth with Summer Stage

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Speaker 2: with City Parks Foundations. Yeah, and I got another one

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Speaker 2: coming up on Sunday. I'm doing a Native Tongues tribute

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Speaker 2: with Red Alert, Jungle Brothers, Chili, Black Sheep, Dress, Money Love. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Sunday Sunday Sunday was incredible. I had an incredible line up, man,

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Speaker 2: and it was a bunch of cl smooth, nice and smooth.

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Speaker 2: It was a man I got a flyer, but my memory,

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Speaker 2: but it was like twelve acts on it, even even

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Speaker 2: Joe Skie Love Oh wow, yeah, yeah who I had

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Speaker 2: on this Sparky d Yeah, sweet Tea.

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Speaker 1: What's up with's moving?

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Speaker 3: P rock Man?

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Speaker 1: They can't get along. Well, I'm I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: you know that's between them.

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Speaker 2: But I do know that I'm you know, family with

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Anytime I see discord, you know,

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Speaker 2: I know what that's about. You know, we donet been

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Speaker 2: through it. I don't been through it. I've been in

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And the most important thing though,

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Speaker 2: is not to destroy the brand, the legacy, because that's

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Speaker 2: what the people want. Sure they'll enjoy you separately, but

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's really about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that original energy. You know what I'm saying. Do

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Speaker 1: you recognize Flat Push anymore?

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Speaker 3: Do me? You?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I recognize it. But I'm in awe of all the

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Speaker 2: buildings they put up and the whole is out. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they got whole foods, but they got

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Speaker 2: a whole foods look alike Flatbush and fall Time, Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they got a whole bunch of little eateries and shit,

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Speaker 2: it's so many other ethnicities there. Sometimes I think it's

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Speaker 2: police man, Like, what the funk going on? Is this

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Speaker 2: an operation investigation?

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Speaker 3: Because I used to go to Brooklyn around the eighties

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Speaker 3: and and things like that, and I would never since that.

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Speaker 3: It's a place called Dumbo in Brooklyn. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: have you been to Dumbo?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dumbo is all under the Brooklyn Bridge. But that's

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Speaker 2: man by the days, back in the days, that was abandoned.

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Speaker 2: That was like really it was warehouses. We actually shot

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Speaker 2: Crookling down there. Get the fun out of here, man.

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Speaker 1: Crooklyn was shot in Dumbo.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 1: Oh, buck shot in Master.

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Speaker 2: Ace was on the show in Coney Island, and we

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Speaker 2: did Crookland absolutely shout out of the buck shot at Ace.

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Speaker 2: See my memory. I'm getting old, but you know, I know,

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Speaker 2: I know what we're doing. Oh yeah turned saint nor

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Speaker 2: no man so because I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 3: But but Brooklyn is still Brooklyn though, like like you

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Speaker 3: you still get it because like this is place in

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Speaker 3: Dumbo and.

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Speaker 2: I enjoy going to Dumble.

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Speaker 1: All that is on the other.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly that's how it's going down. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the thing the thing about that is you have

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Speaker 3: So no matter what if they try to go to

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Speaker 2: sample it, it ain't gonna have that picture or that

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Speaker 3: Look, I just want you to look read the message.

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Speaker 3: He just sends me this record out the blue and

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Speaker 1: Right that was?

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Speaker 2: That was like I was like, cause I was like yo,

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Speaker 3: Know, usually I put out uh when I interview an artist,

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Speaker 3: the snetic energy is working man. So so how many

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: I can't start the count. Wow, bunch like a dozen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of them is you know, unreleasing

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Speaker 2: I recorded this song at fifteen years old.

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Speaker 1: I wrote.

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Speaker 2: You are Stupid before I wrote it prior to recording,

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Speaker 2: So when I wrote that was probably between yeah, yeah, thirteen,

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Speaker 3: To describe the session, you go to Hobbie t Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got it made.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I believe we went through the digging and the

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Speaker 1: Gonna get y'all a little, a little Joels. You know,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he went through that and chopped it up,

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Speaker 2: then what I started doing was piecing together my braggadocious

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because that was the style

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Speaker 2: Well, see, it was either gonna be a story or

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Speaker 2: I'm a diss you, or I'm a talk shit, right,

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Speaker 2: So I said I'm gonna talk shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got it made. Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that record has outlived the test of time.

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't think there's no party in the world.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say America, but I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: And everyone knows that record.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, you know what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's about programming.

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Speaker 2: So the same way they programming negativity, I was programming

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Speaker 1: I'm your idol, handled right.

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Speaker 2: So when you say those words, you're empowering yourself. You

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Speaker 2: manifested greatness, godliness. You feel me. So that's what that

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Speaker 2: you'll free no free advertising, y'all ain't free advertising?

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Speaker 1: Okay, then I was not.

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Speaker 2: I was never into that you feel me? And I

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Speaker 2: they never pay me. So I like, fuck ghost.

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Speaker 1: Like you're rocking little your rocking kids records.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that Robin kids Man who

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Redmano owned it. But Chuck was on Select

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. He was just a fuck fucked

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Speaker 2: up business man. You know what I'm saying now, It

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Speaker 2: was you know, thank you for going to there. Now.

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Speaker 1: It seems like.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Well, they were trying to take everything and then

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Speaker 2: they were to give up. Yeah, they was trying to

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Speaker 2: take the publishing. And I was like, nah, they got

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Speaker 2: it was oh yeah. I was explained by my lawyer

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Speaker 2: hen Look. I read it for myself and what I

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Speaker 1: I'm like, they ain't right. My shit, So why is

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Speaker 2: And then what I was told was that for the

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Speaker 1: So I had to give up half of it. You know, well,

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Speaker 2: Now. The management I had at the time was trying

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Speaker 2: the fuck up. They ain't write my ship and why

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Speaker 2: what do I get if they get fifty and they

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Speaker 2: get fifty or the fuck I'm left with?

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Speaker 1: So I was like, nah, they dead on that. So

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Speaker 1: I got my fifty and then the label got fifty.

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Speaker 2: But as far as points, they was on, did they

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Speaker 1: No, they ain't paying me. It's part of the deal

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Speaker 1: and whatever's coming in for it was part of the contract.

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Speaker 2: This was fucked up. Yeah, it was fucked up worse.

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Speaker 2: It was like Motown for hip hop you feel me?

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Speaker 2: And then you know that was the terms. And the

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Speaker 2: So when they say point, they just fancy talk four

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Speaker 3: I heard you say earlier, My bad for jumping around.

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Speaker 3: back to you because we.

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Speaker 2: Heard about to right now. Because I don't follow all

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Speaker 2: my paperwork for the revers it thirty years.

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Speaker 1: It's thirty five. I believe it. You just told us

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Speaker 1: I've been hearing thirty five. I always heard it with thirty,

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Speaker 2: I just got to read read the laws. Okay, the

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Speaker 2: copyright at thirty. You can begin the process, okay, all right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can begin the process and start filing your paperwork

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Speaker 2: and sending your letters out. So I did that like

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Speaker 2: three four, five times. I'm making sure I get my ship.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So so what happens if you get your back? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I get all my ship back.

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Speaker 3: And then you can you you you take these albums

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Speaker 3: and then you essentially put them out.

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Speaker 1: How does how does that work?

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Speaker 2: You own all the rights to it, all the publishing rights,

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Speaker 2: all the mechanical rights, and you are able to now

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Speaker 3: You could now at wants to do a deal with you,

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Speaker 3: like to put it. You would be the licensing right

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Speaker 3: and right now.

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Speaker 2: I still get paid fifty percent, but they do the

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Speaker 2: admin and then do that, so you don't know how

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Speaker 2: to shake them up for my ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I just finished shaking them up for my

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Speaker 3: ship for real. But what do you mean like what

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Speaker 3: they had the weight hand? Can they're holding his money?

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people sample, but the money

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Speaker 2: come from different places. So I get my money from Sony,

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Speaker 2: but then profile still got an interest in it, and

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Speaker 2: I gotta go be like, Yo, where my bread?

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Speaker 1: Bro? You know what I'm saying, And then they send

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Speaker 1: me some bread, right goddamn it, man, goddamn.

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Speaker 2: I had to learn patients though, because I wasn't that

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Speaker 2: patient back in the days. Man, it was really about

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Speaker 2: to go down. They sold out their back as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah men, yeah, well time Tom all.

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Speaker 1: Okay ship shit he said time? Yeah you said, Tom,

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Speaker 1: Well not.

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Speaker 2: That time. They are up to their thirty something rights

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: They had to fight for it.

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Speaker 3: Was the time was I believe I believe their deal

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Speaker 3: was messed up. I believe they explained it that time,

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Speaker 3: because I believe they split. They split that twenty five

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Speaker 3: might be misquoting them and they split that twenty five

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Speaker 1: So that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that the label's interest is your publishing, so

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Speaker 2: they tried to take as much as they can and

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Speaker 2: then whatever it's left, you have to split as a group.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And I was a solo artist,

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Speaker 2: so you know what I'm saying. But yeah, damn so how.

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Speaker 3: About and you said how we tea produced that whole album?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so did how we team make out good?

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, how we making out good?

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Speaker 1: We tee you all right?

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Speaker 2: And he split publishing too, okay, okay, and that's how

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Speaker 2: go oh he has to producer portion?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah god that You artists gotta listen to this

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Speaker 2: Man, And they've been taking advantage of artists for years

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Speaker 2: because there were no standardizations, there were no rules.

446
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: Whatever the whatever you signed for is what the deal

447
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: is then.

448
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 2: But as time progress and we start knowing our worth,

449
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: just like with the shows before, we getting whatever the performing.

450
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: Now they getting a million dollars to perform, feel me

451
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: half a million dollars a million dollars to fifty one

452
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty. They getting real numbers to.

453
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: Perform, right, Yeah, definitely, yeah, to get it out. So

454
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: let me let me ask you, how did it feel? Man?

455
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I'm forty five years old, I'll

456
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: be forty six September. But me watching this and me

457
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 3: seeing these records, like, how did it feel back then to.

458
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 2: Be the man?

459
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 3: Back then?

460
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: Hip hop really madtered?

461
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

462
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 4: Good?

463
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: But I was always grounded because I knew what entertainment

464
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 2: was and what it consisted of. Man, And I never

465
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: let that shit get to me in that way, you

466
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And I was never one of them,

467
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, one of the bandwagon type people. I never

468
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 2: followed other entities and other racial identities down those roads,

469
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: like I ain't let nobody lead me in, you know,

470
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: because I was already being abused since the beginning. So

471
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 2: I was watching everybody like the fuck away from me.

472
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: And it's that situation. So I kept I kept a

473
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: real perspective on everything. I knew what media and marketing

474
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: and all that was, and I knew what it made you.

475
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: I knew how the people reacted to you. But I

476
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: was still on the ground, looking at everything from a

477
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 2: ground view, But.

478
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 3: It had to because you know, right now, my person

479
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: couldn't continue to take a record and they throw it

480
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: out in Japan tomorrow. But back then you had to

481
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: actually go market to market to market, and you having

482
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: one of the most powerful records in the universe.

483
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: How did it feel going to your.

484
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: First time the Philly or your first time to Delaware

485
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 3: because at the time it was just New York. Yeah,

486
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: if you hot in New York, you hot in the world.

487
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 3: But then you had to travel to these places, right,

488
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: How did it feel like going to these places and

489
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: they know who you are?

490
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: Well?

491
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 2: It felt great, man, especially when you on stage and

492
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: they singing the songs with you. That's a feeling you

493
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: can't you know what I mean, You damn you know. Hey,

494
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm about to give y'all a mic.

495
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: You feel me?

496
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: So it's one of those feelings. It's just still knowing

497
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: the other end in the back end. You know, you

498
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: can't abuse your power, you know what I'm saying. And

499
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: that's what a lot of people go too far. They

500
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: abuse their power, and you know they don't they don't

501
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: respect the game. They just run, I mean until they

502
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: fall and break their fucking ankle, right, so let.

503
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: Me now, it's admission not a small time thing. That

504
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: video was like the first time I seen a theatrical Yeah,

505
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: and and in in videography cinema, like you know what

506
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: I mean, like in black cinema, like like like it

507
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 3: was like a movie to.

508
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: Me watching that that then and I see that that that.

509
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 3: Video to me Birth like the Biggie Smalls videos where

510
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: he's like, you know what I mean, like like the

511
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: movie style videos.

512
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: Was that something you planned on doing?

513
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: Well?

514
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: I think that stemmed from think About It.

515
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: They Think About It, had the hovercraft, the helicopters, and

516
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: then it went into the mission where that was another story.

517
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: It was chases and all kind of stuff going on.

518
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: Karate fight yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think it

519
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: just went into that direction. But Cheacob Bruce, a female director,

520
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: is the one that Birth and came up with the

521
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: whole treatments and the video for Think About It. Oh wow,

522
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: And that's the one where you know we went on

523
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: the whole chase and it was actually the whole theme

524
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: of it was Bud mcmilman. He probably did in Peace,

525
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: but the old man, the old dude, he was like

526
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: the symbolism of the hierarchy of the industry, and he

527
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: was kind of trying to destroy my career in the

528
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 2: video this is it is about. And so he sent

529
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: these henchmen, which was two black dudes to chase and

530
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: ruined my career, feel me. So that's what it was about,

531
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: about the white man hiring two black men to go

532
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: ruin my career, feel me. And they started chasing me

533
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: through the streets on boats, on hovercrafts, on helicopters.

534
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: All the ruined me. So that was the storyline.

535
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: But it birthed that type of dramatic scenery and the

536
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: whole theatrical elements, and yeah, you know, everybody started getting

537
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: real theatrical with their videos.

538
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: I feel like you birthed that.

539
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: I feel like those two videos, like you said, think

540
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: about it, and and the fact that those budgets were

541
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: open for I forgot. It was like to be continue,

542
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: wasn't it. I'd like to be continue. I feel like

543
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: you grated that well cheek of Bruce Man.

544
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: I gotta give it up because at that time, once again,

545
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: I didn't come up with the treatment I was. I

546
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: was sixteen that by then, you know what I'm saying.

547
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: And I never shot a video or directed or produced

548
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: a video on my life. So all the praises do

549
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: the cheek of Bruce a female director.

550
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: You feel me?

551
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 3: How come him when they were sixteen? They were so

552
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: bright and he's sixteen year olds fucking high?

553
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: Well, what happened is because back then we was actually

554
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: going through a struggle and it was actually real economic

555
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: hardships that we had to overcome. I could see him

556
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: being from Queen's Bridge, queen Bridge still fucked up.

557
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: You feel me?

558
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: And me coming from Brooklyn. We're trying to find a

559
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 2: way out of the debts, you know what I'm saying.

560
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: We're trying to find a way out of poverty and

561
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: not jumping into poverty and then having the resort to

562
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: doing wherever youbody else in the street doing robbing people,

563
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: selling drugs, going to jail. You know what I'm saying, dying?

564
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: You feel me?

565
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: So it was for me just trying to find a

566
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: reasonable solution where I ain't got to watch my back.

567
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Well, I still got to

568
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: watch my back, but not in a negative way where

569
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: I've done somebody some wrong.

570
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: Feel me.

571
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm not out there doing crime, selling drugs, looking for

572
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: the police.

573
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't give two fucks about the police. Ain't nothing

574
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: on me. But what examples did you have at that

575
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: age that At that age.

576
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: The examples were everybody dying and going into you just

577
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: didn't want to do that exactly.

578
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: I was not going in that direction, you know what

579
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it was easy. It was easy to do.

580
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there was access to everything.

581
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: We had opportunity, but me knowing better and having four

582
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: older brothers to learn from as well, because they all

583
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: went through those pitfalls, you know what I'm saying.

584
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I'm not doing that. I'm

585
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: not going to jail, I'm not going to die.

586
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm not standing out here on the streets selling drugs,

587
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And to me, that wasn't

588
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: enough money because when once you re up, you left

589
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: with a couple of dollars, you're gonna buy sneakers like

590
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: I wasn't with that. I need real money, you know

591
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I ain't working for nobody. I

592
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: ain't working for them. I ain't working for nobody think

593
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: they're gonna work me or rule me. Ain't nobody ruling me,

594
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: you know, I feel me ain't no man above me

595
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: on this earth period. And that's how I feel about

596
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: it all, you know what I'm saying. So I found

597
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: my own way and my own path to do it intelligently.

598
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: I felt like I'm smart enough and intelligent enough to

599
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: get it like anybody else.

600
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Goddamn. Now, how did you get the name special AD?

601
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: Was you in special AD?

602
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: Nah? Man? Because I was a special and resource room

603
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: and I probably amen.

604
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, how that go? How that go is?

605
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: Obviously my name is ed.

606
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: But my man e Dot came to me, he got

607
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: from Flatbush, and he was like, Yo, you should call

608
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: yourself special LED. I had a personality you feel me.

609
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't in Special LED, but I had a personality

610
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: like a motherfucker. And at the end of the day

611
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: after he said that, I thought about it, and I

612
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: could have took it two.

613
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: Ways, but I was like, nah, this is my bro.

614
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna be town.

615
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: Special education was frowned upon.

616
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: It was frown upon. But I thought about that, and

617
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, fuck that?

618
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: Because for one, I can change the dynamics of how

619
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: it's perceived, and for two, I'm gonna teach y'all.

620
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: Motherfucker something, and for three, my.

621
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Name ed and I'm special, So it was way too

622
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: many reasons why I should as opposed to watch. I'm

623
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: just fuck what class y'all think, I'm in whatever, whatever,

624
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: y'all gonna know how intelligent I am when y'all hear

625
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: this shit or when I speak.

626
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: So I wasn't really worried about that. And I think

627
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: that whole special.

628
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: Led thing is just you know, their way of saying,

629
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: we don't know how to deal with that's all. We

630
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: don't know how to deal with this because some ain't

631
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: nothing wrong, ain't nothing wrong with you. It's just a

632
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: matter of not being the common every day motherfucker that

633
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 2: they can deal with the behavior. But I know they

634
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: was lying.

635
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's what you say.

636
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes they want to railroad you because you got a

637
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: brain and you got a voice, and you have an opinion.

638
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's it's how they

639
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: set you back. When I want to bet award, we

640
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: wanted to bet award. I grab my thing and I

641
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: was like, everyone, there's a special education. My DMS lit

642
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: up from all the special education teachers.

643
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: It was like use speech. I was like, I think

644
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: it's just part of that, you know, it's part of that,

645
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: like the School of Prison pipe right right for basically

646
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: what it what it is, It's part of the School

647
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: of Prison pipeline. Other than there are some kids with

648
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: special needs and don't have you know, don't have it

649
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: together where they need that extra attention. But half of

650
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: the kids is just they don't give a fuck. They're like,

651
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: y'all talking to me crazy shit like that. You know

652
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: you ain't dealing with that. I feel you, And that's

653
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: why I took the name. I was like, you know

654
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: what fuck that I'm special at so what that's right? Goddamnit,

655
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm taking.

656
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 5: So look, you're still really young coming out of the

657
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: gate Lyrically something is inspiring your or is it really

658
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 5: just coming out of your own ether?

659
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: Well, like I was inspired by Yeah, I was inspired

660
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: by the Ogs, like I said, Jimmy Spicer for one,

661
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: because Jimmy Spicer put out a fifteen minute record with

662
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: like ten stories in it.

663
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: And because you definitely come from a special ad of storytelling.

664
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: Storytelling, so he inspired me on the storytelling special my

665
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: bad because he told stories about Dracula, about different and shit,

666
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: and it was right creative. It wasn't just like some

667
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't boring. It was humorous, it was creative,

668
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: and that inspired me. And then I listened to shit

669
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: like you know, Mellie Mel Curious five and the message

670
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: that inspired me, Howie t CD three Get Tough, that

671
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: inspired me. So it was the content that inspired me

672
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: more so. And I was like, damn, I gotta be

673
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: saying something. I got to amuse you know what I'm saying,

674
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: confuse and all that. I gotta tell a story, you

675
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like even the mission that wasn't

676
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: the original story that was now. I had an original

677
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: story that I submitted, but it was too hardcore, so

678
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: they made me do it over and then I had

679
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: to do the song over and that's where the mission

680
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: that we all know came from.

681
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: You know, that's a very interesting question because a lot

682
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: of people should say back then that the record labels

683
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: had more of a control over the music.

684
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: Was it like that back then?

685
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: Like, well, it was they there wasn't a bunch of

686
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: explicit records like this. Now you could say anything because

687
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: there's no label control at all. And then the labels, uh,

688
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: you know, came up with their agenda later, but back

689
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: then in the early eighties, they definitely didn't want They

690
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: wanted songs that could play on the radio. They wanted

691
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: songs that they could sell openly. They didn't want a

692
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: bunch of hardcore ship. So really, until n w A

693
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: came out, they had a certain level of discretion. But

694
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: what what what?

695
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: Because you came out of eighty nine, correct, yeah, eighty nine,

696
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: So then what what what? What?

697
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: W came eight nine and I think the single, the

698
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: single was eighty eight, the album was eighty nine.

699
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the single the police knowing no, it

700
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: was my single, I got it. Yeah.

701
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: But then n w A came out and they ship

702
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: was hardcore, and I was like, see they could say

703
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: what they want, right, but the label didn't want to

704
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: market me in that way. And I had I had

705
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: hard ship, like I was a battle rapper on the street,

706
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: so that's what I did, and they didn't want that.

707
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: They wanted commercial belt. Yeah, making belt.

708
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: I had a few. I had a future making belt

709
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, everything the ratchet to Ratchet and the switch

710
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: blade in.

711
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: The belt yeah yeah yeah yeah.

712
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: Flat was a wild hell yeah yeah, Flatbush myself yeah

713
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: for real, and he Hall was I'm gonna tell the truth.

714
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: He Hall was like one of the worst schools in

715
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: the city, especially when I got in there, Like they

716
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: had big ass gaping holes.

717
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: In the walls on the hallway and the boards. It

718
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: was like, you motherfuckers, what you're doing here?

719
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 6: Yeah?

720
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: Serious, So we had to deal with that, and it

721
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: was But when you in it and you that young

722
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: and you feel this, it ain't nothing. But thinking back

723
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: as an adult now, I'm like, come on, y'all had

724
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: a budget cleaning ship up back then. Yeah, me and

725
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: Buster Rhymes went to elementary school together, the school like

726
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: this is and Walt Whitman Junior High School especially as well.

727
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, we definitely went to school together, came up together,

728
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: and you know, and and Rampage lived across the street

729
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: from the school too, and he was a little younger,

730
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: he like a year or two younger than us, But

731
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: Rampage two came up in the neighborhood.

732
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: Did that help the native tongue affiliation because Buster was

733
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: considered native tongue, right, Yeah?

734
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: Probably so. I don't know, though, I mean, you know,

735
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: they had their own vibe with the leaders of the

736
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 2: new school. I think Chuck bred them. Chuck d shout

737
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: out to Chuck d. He bred the leaders of the

738
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: New School. I think came up with the whole group.

739
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: He named name the group right in the group. So yeah,

740
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: and the busters from around my way. What happened is

741
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: he moved to Long Island and then that's when he

742
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: started rapping and came back and you know, back to

743
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: the hood. Yeah right, you ever throw hip hop VI

744
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: this far? Man, not this far, but this is billions

745
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: of dollars later. I knew it was something though, because

746
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: of the energy that it had and the way it

747
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: brought everybody together. Because even just to be honest, hip

748
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: hop brought everybody together Black people, Hispanic people, white people,

749
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: all people through hip hop, and that was the one

750
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: thing that could do that. Like not many things was

751
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: bringing people together that way, aside for money, but hip hop,

752
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 2: just the music and the vibration, you know what I'm saying,

753
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: united people. So I knew it was very strong. But

754
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: until I saw when I saw a run DMC, I

755
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: knew there was a plan. I knew something was gonna

756
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: pop because it had a frenzy. It just like it

757
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: took it to TV. They was a helicopters, they had

758
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: the big chains, they was doing Madison Square Garden. I

759
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: wanted to be on the Fresh Veest. I was rapping then.

760
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: I guess I was too.

761
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, I appreciate run DMC, but I

762
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: couldn't really like I mean, they kind of hushered in

763
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: that global the glow.

764
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know movement of hip hop. Yes, of course

765
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 1: Bambada and then were doing it before, but I feel

766
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: like run DMC took it. They took it to the

767
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: next level commercially.

768
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that and that's one of the reasons why

769
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: I was eager to sign with Profile Records because that

770
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: was the label that's signed to. We were on the

771
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: same label, and when I was like Profile, I was like, oh,

772
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: that's right. They could do for me what they did

773
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: for run DMC. So that's why I jumped on it.

774
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: I was like, hell yeah, but you know, me going

775
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: through your music and me listening, Yo, you sound like

776
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: absolutely nobody.

777
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: How come you was a hot m C back back

778
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: then and still is?

779
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 3: But right right now, I can listen to fifteen people

780
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: that's out all. I can't even that's right now though,

781
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 3: that's right now that you know what I'm saying.

782
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: If you blindfold me, I'm like that's him.

783
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him.

784
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: Like right now, I can listen to your voice, I

785
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: can listen to this great voice. I can listen to EPMD.

786
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: I will not say that they sound like anybody. How

787
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: come it was like that back then? And how come

788
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 3: it's not like that now?

789
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: Because we all wanted to be original, we wanted to

790
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: own identities. Now it's a bandwagon effect. It's like, oh,

791
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: this sold a million records, let me make a copy cat. Yes,

792
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: So it's really about cloning right and making it a

793
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 2: commodity that makes money. The industry doesn't care about the culture.

794
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: They just like this works, okay, keep going right going,

795
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 2: and they keep pushing out the same shit back to back.

796
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 3: Right, what happens to this artist? Because I remember La Red.

797
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 3: I remember me going to see La Reed, right, me

798
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: picking a single off of my album, Me saying yo,

799
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to go with this album, and La Reed

800
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: saying I think you should go with this Automatically, I'm like,

801
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: all right, cool, let me go with him. Because if

802
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: I make a mistake, then then it's your miss then

803
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: it's my mistake. He makes a mistake, where's the artist

804
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: that stand up to that.

805
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Well, the independent artist now they put out whatever the

806
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: fuck they want. However, with a train air and the

807
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: understanding of the way, you know, radio plays and marketing goals,

808
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: you got to have something that is listenable, that is

809
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: digestible to the audience, and something that you could play

810
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: like you want something you could play on a soul

811
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: train or you can play on television and it's not risky,

812
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 2: you know, and it's not destructive. But now destructive is

813
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: selling all day, that's what they's selling.

814
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: Are you listening to any new music now?

815
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 3: Be honest, I barely listen to music. Brokay, Okay, he's

816
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: kind of new.

817
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: I mean't.

818
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: I don't listen to any particular artists. I'm gonna keep

819
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: it real. I don't have nobody album. I don't google

820
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: nobody name. What I might do is put on like

821
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: my R and B shit like I like, if I

822
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 2: could listen to something that calmed me down.

823
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: That's what I listened to.

824
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: You taking your girl to show my wife?

825
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: Nah, I ain't taking. No. I don't the concerts unless

826
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm in them. No, I said, you're just mad niggas wiggas.

827
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 2: Serena.

828
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know what happened.

829
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: But I don't go.

830
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't go to concerts. I'm sorry. I don't go

831
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: to concerts.

832
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: I don't go nowhere. I'm not getting paid.

833
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: I's just doing ure is going.

834
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: He's performing.

835
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: Whoever is like girls in the ground, He's going to

836
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 3: them and singing to them.

837
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: You got it, you got it bad. See well, he's

838
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: an R and B crewner. I know usher since he

839
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: was a child.

840
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: Damn it.

841
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 2: His mama introduced me to him when he was a child,

842
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: goddamn it. So you know, I wish him all the

843
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: success in the world. Whatever tactics he feels he needs

844
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 2: to use to make money and stay famous. Oh he's

845
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: doing it more power tool.

846
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: I just meant for me.

847
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: I don't go to any concert that I'm not a

848
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: part of or getting paid. Sometimes, however, I may have

849
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: good friends that are performing, and I might go, like

850
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: I went to a New Addition concert just to see them.

851
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: I fucks with them. That's not people. You know what

852
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

853
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: If we need you up here, but you ain't going

854
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: to the Drake concert.

855
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 2: Oh you know what. When I was in New Orleans

856
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: one time I went to a Drake concert with some

857
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: friends just on the random, really, but it was just

858
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: me falling in because that's what they was doing. But

859
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: like I said, I don't really go to concerts like

860
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: that too often at all.

861
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 4: Man.

862
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't look for it it, don't you know. I

863
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: ain't got nothing to do with me. You know what

864
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

865
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: I go with it, I go away.

866
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm picking up that back in. You know what I'm saying.

867
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: If I'm throwing the concert, as in the case with

868
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 2: the City Parks and my concert, I got one coming

869
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: up Sunday, you know what I'm saying, shout outs to

870
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: the violators. Rest in peace, baby, Chris. I'm doing this

871
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: for y'all. Man, I'm doing this for Red Alert. And

872
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: that's pretty much it. Man, that's a concert.

873
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: Let me let me do recommend two concerts for you

874
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 3: would like to attend. I didn't see the fifty and Buster,

875
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: and I believe Jeremiah I was on that tour. I

876
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: didn't see it wasn't physically there, but I last stream

877
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: it every fucking night. It's fucking awesome. But I went

878
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: to the nas and the Wu Tang Joint, and I

879
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: kid you not, I.

880
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: Went to one of those when the game, the Charlotte

881
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: my Man, my Man divined com. He was like, yo,

882
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: we and Charlotte he just hit me today him out

883
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: there and Arlot Yeah yeah yeah. So basically that's it, man,

884
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: they got to invite me, right if they don't, like,

885
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

886
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not paying attentions. I write myself though,

887
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: I was.

888
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: I pulled up on them and it was.

889
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: So dope because you know, when you get to see

890
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: these groups like that, like NAS and Wu Tang, you

891
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: would think that NAS will come out and perform and

892
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: the Wan will come out and the form and the

893
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 3: Wan come. No, they actually did it like as as,

894
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 3: like like NAS does five songs and they come out

895
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: and it's like I was like a mixtape on stage

896
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, l roots that pretty.

897
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: It's pretty dope to yeah, yeah, yeah, well they got

898
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: that from us, the alumni. We've been doing that for

899
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: ten years old, myself, Chub Rock, Dame to Dane Kwame,

900
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: Money Love and Greg Nice. We've been performing together like

901
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: one group for ten years the fuck because so that's.

902
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: Where they got that.

903
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: Who's the people going to say again? Special Led Chuck Rock, Dana,

904
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: Dane Money love mo Ma, Greg Nice Nice.

905
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

906
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: We all classic iconic hip hop artists and we've been

907
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: doing that shit over ten years. So when they say, yeah,

908
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: we're doing this and doing that year, we did that

909
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: ship already. Thank you.

910
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: Yeah you're welcome, man, Thank you and your welf. It's

911
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: an honor to be honored. What do you think about

912
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: hip Hop fifty? Hip Hop fifty is it's appropriation.

913
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: It's appropriation because what they're doing now is they putting

914
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: together these great lineups and then they're gonna overcharge the public.

915
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 2: See the concerts I'm doing for the fifty is free

916
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: to the public. It's free for the people. I'm doing

917
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: it with the city. I'm doing it where the people

918
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: could pull.

919
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Up for free. I ain't overcharging for a ticket. How

920
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: do you get paid that? How do you make the city?

921
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 2: Okay?

922
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: All right?

923
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: And I pay the artists? No, but see I pay

924
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: the artists. Let's get that straight. I ain't saying I'm

925
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: saying I pay all My artists get paid period. That's

926
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: how I operate. I've been a booking agent for overd

927
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: for like twenty years now. I provide income opportunities for

928
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: all artists.

929
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: Let me stop you for one second. You know what

930
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: I always said, memes. What's the names? M No, not

931
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: nims men, memes, your boy with the drags, memes. He

932
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: booked us one time. Oh damn name artists, artists. When

933
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: he booked me, he did everything everything as an artist

934
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: would do us. Usher booked me. He did everything like,

935
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,479
Speaker 3: I didn't ask for nothing. Artists know how the Book

936
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 3: of the Artists, right, we know how to treat other artists.

937
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: So I got that from Prince booked me before Rest

938
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 2: of Peace.

939
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta tell us this. Yeah, he had a club.

940
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: You ain't gonna just say that.

941
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: It's just like go, okay, okay, so hold on, hold on.

942
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: Time you chilling in the crib and somebody say, Prince

943
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: want to book you for a show.

944
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't even know until the gig was going

945
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: on and they said, oh, you know that's Prince's club.

946
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: It was in that GLAMs Yeah. Yeah, glam Slam was

947
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: in LA back in the days. L Yeah, we did

948
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: the one. We did the one in l A, I

949
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: believe it was.

950
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 4: And yo.

951
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: I respected that.

952
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: I was like, oh ship, Prince got a clumb and

953
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: then he booked me and then the other person is

954
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: uncle Luke.

955
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: So Luke Luther Camp but what o g.

956
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: So so back in the days they had like the

957
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: Goomba Festival and all that, Yeah, goom bab Yeah yeah,

958
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: jamaic it yeah. So so so Luke booked me for

959
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: that and it was like, I was like, man, you

960
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: you are artist yourself. So when I saw Luke do

961
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: that and then Prince did that, it put me in

962
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: the mind frame of oh, I could provide opportunities for

963
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: other artists. So that's how that came to be. And

964
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: I just started booking all. I booked everybody. I booked

965
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: nas before. Yeah, I booked everybody, Lil Kim, Rock Kim,

966
00:46:59,239 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 2: every Kim.

967
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't what made you start doing that?

968
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 2: Well, just like I said, booked me, Prince booked me,

969
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: and I respected that and I thought that that was

970
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: cool that an artist would had a mindset to provide

971
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: opportunities for other artists. So that's what I do. I

972
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 2: provide income opportunities for other artists. I've been booking, That's

973
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: what I do.

974
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: Did you get to meet Prince? Yeah, I got to

975
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: meet him that night in the plug Yeah.

976
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: Did it taste like did it feel like velvet, he said, taste,

977
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

978
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 5: It was.

979
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: It was a long time ago, but yeah, we greeted

980
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: each other and and I was honored just to be

981
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: able to get booked by him in his club because

982
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: I was a fan period.

983
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, He's an icon to me.

984
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, He's not even in the

985
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: rap game, but he booked me as a young rap artist.

986
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: So I was like, Yo, that ship like enlighten me

987
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: and just just showed me that, oh, you could do

988
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: other things, you could provide you know, I provided income

989
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: opportunity for everybody, man, trust me.

990
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: You know.

991
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 3: It was ill about Prince, Like he was so ahead

992
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 3: of his time that I heard that so many artists

993
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 3: used to come up to him and try to sample

994
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: his music, and.

995
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: He would tell them go own your masters first.

996
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: And at the time, artists was like, were we were

997
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: so happy of getting our advents? He were so happy

998
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: to traveling to Japan and they said.

999
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: Oh we holding long times.

1000
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: Did y'all really say that?

1001
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: Okay?

1002
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: Really like and meanwhile, but meanwhile, he was really like

1003
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 3: the first person that was owning this advocating like even

1004
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: even even when he changed his things to the slave

1005
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: thing like that because they owned his things, Like I

1006
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: didn't even realize that. So I had to change my

1007
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: name from Norriega to Norway at one point I had

1008
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: to change it because they had invested their component in Norriega,

1009
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: so they had owned that.

1010
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: So it was like it was crazy. So yeah, yeah,

1011
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: he was business.

1012
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: He taught a lot of business lessons and advanced a

1013
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: lot of artists understanding of ownership in the music.

1014
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: Business man shout out to princeman Peace. Did you get

1015
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: a chance to man think like something like that or No?

1016
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: It was just like not just meeting him through that event,

1017
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: that's all.

1018
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1019
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: I hadn't come across him too many times other than that.

1020
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: Did you meet with Donna before Donna? Madonna?

1021
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: Madonna?

1022
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 4: Nah?

1023
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: I hadn't met like I can feel like, yeah, but

1024
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't a chaser, like I ain't. I

1025
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: ain't fuck with people just because they did this or

1026
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: did that. There had to be situations where, you know,

1027
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: we we were together organically, you know, we met organically

1028
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: ship like that.

1029
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Because I see you got to ring on your finger?

1030
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: How long I just got married last year?

1031
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

1032
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: Way for this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you was knocking down

1033
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: a lot of things.

1034
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 5: Man.

1035
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: Man, it's been out.

1036
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: It's been from fifteen. I'm fifty one now, so it's

1037
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: been a while.

1038
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: Man, I've been you know.

1039
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: And it's a thing in all community. When you got good,

1040
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: you get some good pussy. Well see, yeah, that's absolutely correct.

1041
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we got We gotta also understand, though, even

1042
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: though we as a culture glorify that, we have to

1043
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 2: understand who we are as men and as spiritual beings

1044
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: and learn how to control ourselves that period and master

1045
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 2: that because a lot of times I look back from

1046
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: the age of sixteen when the record came out until now, Yeah,

1047
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: it was very wild, but I feel like a lot

1048
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 2: of that was also abuse, not just from them, but

1049
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: me on my end, abusing myself like a lot of them.

1050
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: I ain't had to be with a lot of them people,

1051
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: a lot of them didn't deserve.

1052
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: To be with me me absolutely.

1053
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: So you have to understand your value and your worth

1054
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: and you can and it's be giving yourself out to

1055
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: any of everybody.

1056
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: Man, You draining your energy, you draining your spirit.

1057
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: No, seriously, though, man, we just gotta be more serious

1058
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 2: about ourselves and our self worth. You feel me, because

1059
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: I look back in a lot of people, I'd be like, damn,

1060
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 2: fun was I doing?

1061
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: You feel me?

1062
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: So it's just about realizing that and not just glorifying

1063
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: sluty ratchet behavior.

1064
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 3: Where was your favorite place to perform?

1065
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: My favorite place? Yeah?

1066
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 2: Man, anyway they paying me, that's my favorite place to perform.

1067
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 2: Where our money?

1068
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1069
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1070
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: What's there?

1071
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: A lot of promo going on back then, because let

1072
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: me let me lie is, let me tell you, let

1073
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: me tell you what I radio. I remember for years, Yeah,

1074
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: I would have to drop an album and I would

1075
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: have to go state to state, go to the morning shows.

1076
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: That's going to make my promo.

1077
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: Go to the morning shows, Go to the retail you

1078
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: go to the marketing stores, go to the Wiz, the

1079
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: Sam Goodies. I know I'm old school saying the Wiz

1080
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: the Sam Goodie. I know they're not open no more,

1081
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying to get people.

1082
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: We did some of that.

1083
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I remember for the first five years of

1084
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: my career, I wouldn't they would call it promo. I

1085
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 3: would not get paid. But what I would notice was

1086
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: like the street team people were getting paid. Everyone else

1087
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: was getting paid. But besides the artists. Well they say

1088
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: it was to sell your record. I ain't really do

1089
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 3: too much of that free ship. I'm gonna be honest.

1090
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: I went to a few retail spots.

1091
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: I did some in stores, but as far as performances,

1092
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: very few free performances.

1093
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: Fuck that.

1094
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: Even back then, even back then, you knew you don't

1095
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: pay me, damn, because y'all getting paid. Everybody getting paid

1096
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: to pay me to I did some radio station shows

1097
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 2: that were favorable and less than I would normally get,

1098
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: But that was for the station, for the spens, Yes,

1099
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: for the relationship really, because it ain't directly for no

1100
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: certain amount of spends. But you gain that rapport and

1101
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,439
Speaker 2: that favorable you know, that favoritism from the station.

1102
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: You know, I was fucked up when I would do

1103
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 3: I would do free radio shows, and then I would

1104
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 3: see like an artist just a little bit bigger than

1105
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 3: me going and collecting the check, and I'm like, what

1106
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: the fuck am I doing here?

1107
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,479
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, Like I went needed

1108
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: to do that at that time, you know what I'm saying,

1109
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: Especially starting out, they expect that of you. But see

1110
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: my record flew off the shelf. It was all over

1111
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: the country, all over the world. So that was the promo.

1112
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: So when I pop up, Now, yeah I did some

1113
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: radio station shows, but they still had to cover my

1114
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: expenses compensate me somewhat.

1115
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1116
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't just like all free. They wasn't dragging me

1117
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: around like no puppy or some shit.

1118
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: You feel me. Yeah, now we don't do that nah

1119
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: man oh.

1120
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, holy shit, I'm just thinking of that times

1121
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 3: because like you got to go, you got to sell

1122
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: records where person have to pick your cassette, have to

1123
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 3: pick up your CD.

1124
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't believe these streams.

1125
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Like like this this kids out there with

1126
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: forty million streams and I don't know noting one person

1127
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: that know one of their words, right, and they got

1128
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 3: forty million streams.

1129
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: It's automated. It's automated. Is they buy a lot of

1130
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 2: that ship. And at the end of the day they

1131
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: made up besides the box, they made up a whole

1132
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 2: pay structure out of fucking thin there.

1133
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: Like we ain't got nothing to do with that. We

1134
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: we didn't agree that, we didn't sign Yeah, we didn't

1135
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: sign off on nothing saying that we're okay with that.

1136
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: You feel me.

1137
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 2: They just decided that this is what we're gonna pay,

1138
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: and it's like a fraction of a penny like came out.

1139
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: Yes the radio, everybody I know, even Dresses is on

1140
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: one about that. We all on well really, but they're

1141
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: actually taking action, you know, And I would love to

1142
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 2: be a part of any action because I ain't agreed

1143
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: to none of that shit neither.

1144
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: You know, Chuck d sue the whole He sued the

1145
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: whole universal on behalf of us, and he won.

1146
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: Good, he won, right, I believe, so, yeah, he won.

1147
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. I believe he only took his portion

1148
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 3: on what he felt he was old. Yes, class action lawsuit.

1149
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: I just can't believe like how bad it was. I

1150
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 3: don't want to say bad because it did save.

1151
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: It's bad right now because they getting ripped off for

1152
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 2: this streaming shit.

1153
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: It's terrible. Yeah, you're terrible.

1154
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: Like if you made your own platform and collected your

1155
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: own earnings off of your intellectual property, it would be

1156
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: much more than you getting from these Spotify and all

1157
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: this shit going on right now. And I don't even

1158
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: like name dropping fuck that, you know what I'm saying.

1159
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: But any of these services, they're not paying you what

1160
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: you weigh. They paying you what they feel like you weigh,

1161
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 2: you feel me, So that's still unfair practice. So even

1162
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: though these new artists feel like, yeah, eighty millions dreams

1163
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: and shit, yeah, but you're getting peanuts for it, you

1164
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: should be getting eighty million dollars for your shit, you

1165
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: feel me? Yeah?

1166
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1167
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: Anyway, equity in those platforms, yeah, at something, but you

1168
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: know it's all really based around advertising and marketing and

1169
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: merch at this time.

1170
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: You know that's where the money at all your data money, yep.

1171
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: So that's really what it is.

1172
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 2: Man.

1173
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: They getting money in other ways.

1174
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily for somebody just listening to They get

1175
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: money in other ways.

1176
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 3: You talk about the artists, you talk about the labels.

1177
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 4: Both.

1178
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: Some artists are doing it.

1179
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: Independent artists are doing it and understand it, and they

1180
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 2: understand how it is. It's an opportunity to other avenues

1181
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: to sell your merch, your shirts, your hats, your sneakers,

1182
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: your whatever you sell.

1183
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: Made up your saxty deal, right, he made up? He

1184
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: make it up, I believe.

1185
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: So.

1186
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: I believe.

1187
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't make it up like how we go,

1188
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 3: but the people that usually go applied it. I believe

1189
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 3: it's something like that. And the thing about it is

1190
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: for me. Leo has always been a great CEO to me. Right,

1191
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he didn't have unfair practices with other people.

1192
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is for me.

1193
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 3: But how did he have the foresight to see that

1194
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 3: records won't sell as much as they will in the future,

1195
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 3: so they have to start marketing because no one asks,

1196
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: no one. You had to put people in there on

1197
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: your shows.

1198
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: I tell you how he knew when that MP three

1199
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: shit started, because that was the beginning of that end.

1200
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: That was the beginning of the end of conventional record

1201
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: labels and record sales because now you could share peer

1202
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: to peer online without paying nobody no mind, you feel me.

1203
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: So even though they regulated that at a certain point,

1204
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 2: then you know it was understood like, oh damn, it

1205
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: ain't no going back now, Ain't nobody buying nothing?

1206
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: Now you understanding.

1207
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 2: Now it's even worse because they just if it ain't

1208
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: on their phone, they ain't gonna hear it.

1209
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna hear nothing unless you hear it on

1210
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: your phone house, you gonna hear it.

1211
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody really up there on the laptop all day

1212
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: everywhere they go. But they got that phone everywhere they go.

1213
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: So it's all mobile, it's all online, it's all technology now,

1214
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: and the only way to really make some money is,

1215
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: oh shit, I want that shirt he got on. Oh

1216
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: ship them kicks is hard? Let me get that oh

1217
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: that had his fire, you know what I'm saying. And

1218
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: you sell shit or drink, so whatever it might be,

1219
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: it might be a bottle of this. You know what

1220
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Well, that's exactly what it is. This marketing

1221
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: is selling other products and that's how they're doing it

1222
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: because records ain't selling you.

1223
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 3: So let me ask you, Like how we spoke earlier,

1224
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: you said, like me and you both agreed that artists,

1225
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: you know, booking artists is probably one of the best things,

1226
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: right because we know.

1227
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: How to treat each other artists.

1228
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: Why isn't it more artists basic record labels?

1229
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: Like I respect what Rick Ross does.

1230
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 3: I really think that he takes care of his artists,

1231
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: And I respect what Yo Gotti does, really think he

1232
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: takes care of his artists. And that's like it's like

1233
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: one and so many. Why doesn't you own your own

1234
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: record label? Why I came on their own record label.

1235
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, so on and so and forth.

1236
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: Cares one to try to like nurture these new artists.

1237
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: Well I do.

1238
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: I have an artist, City the Great. But what I

1239
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: did more so is empower him.

1240
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: And he has his own label, and I show him

1241
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: how to move independently and how to be an entrepreneur.

1242
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: Instead of me trying to you know, own them or

1243
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: diddim or some shit, you feel me, I teach him

1244
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: how to be his own boss and how to make

1245
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: his own move.

1246
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: Shout out to City the Great man.

1247
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: And you know he's come from you know, some adversities,

1248
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: let's say, and now he's flying high man.

1249
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: He was just on the show in Coney Island with me.

1250
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: I give him a platform, give him opportunities, and it

1251
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: changed his lives.

1252
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: Man. So it's the education is the most important part.

1253
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 3: Man.

1254
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: If you can give somebody the information and help them

1255
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: to succeed, empowerment, that's what I do. I have a

1256
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: nonprofit organization and that's my whole life mission right now

1257
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: is because of my life's experience as a young child artist,

1258
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: I go out there and teach children how to perceive

1259
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: this and operate in this landscape. It's called special ed

1260
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: art so literacy. We call it SEAL. Yeah, special arts

1261
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: so literacy seal. So that's seal Artsoliteracy dot org. You

1262
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And our mentor I go do

1263
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: motivational speaking keynot speaking. I go to schools. I go

1264
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 2: to the worst schools too. I don't care where they at.

1265
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I go talk to them

1266
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: kids and get their mind right, and so they don't

1267
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: come out here and end up like a lot of

1268
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: people ending up the mortality rate and hip hop is

1269
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: through the rule. Yeah, and that's because they're approaching it

1270
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: with the wrong mindset. They going out here flashing money,

1271
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: flashing guns, behaving reckless because this no direction.

1272
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 3: But a right that that was so dope what you

1273
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 3: just said, right, because what we're saying, we're saying like that.

1274
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 3: The kids nowadays they hold the money to the ear

1275
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 3: they're doing. But I'm looking at the old school videos.

1276
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm looking at them cell phones, the ones that didn't fold.

1277
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, so I'm looking And that was a

1278
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 2: form of flossing as well back then, flossing and communication.

1279
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: Because now you have the ability to communicate mobile wherever

1280
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 2: you at and go get that money. You can be

1281
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: out traveling and answer your phone and do business. At

1282
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: the same time I was doing business, I was actually

1283
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: the youngest in charge.

1284
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: I was really in charge of my ship. Yeah, absolutely,

1285
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: so I.

1286
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: Was making moves, making calls, making decisions. I wasn't just

1287
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: running along behind what people say. I never did that.

1288
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying because I learned.

1289
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is they're talking about the lifestyle then,

1290
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 3: like the lifestyle like if for some reason, and I'm

1291
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: not trying to just the new generation, let me reiterate

1292
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say. It felt like when they

1293
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: was flassing back then, it was like a responsible flaws

1294
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 3: as opposed to what it looks like. And I'm not

1295
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: saying they're not responsible. I'm saying it looks like it's

1296
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 3: just people just throwing money. Like just see kids throwing

1297
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: money in them all, and it's like, that's.

1298
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: Not resk like that, that's not one in real life.

1299
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: That's actually content driven for the grant, that's for the

1300
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: grand social that's for any social media, that's what it is.

1301
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: But they don't have any social responsibility. Nobody is guiding

1302
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: them or teaching them properly.

1303
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: So that's what I do.

1304
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: I go and talk to the kids that may have

1305
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: an interest in becoming artists or entrepreneurs or media creators,

1306
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: and I give them some perspective, some insight on how

1307
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: to think, how to behave, how to present yourself, how

1308
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: to be professional, so that you're just not out here

1309
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,479
Speaker 2: while they' I really needed and bond. Then you're not there.

1310
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: You feel me.

1311
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: You need to be able to survive this game. You

1312
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. This is a long term thing.

1313
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 3: This is not you.

1314
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: You don't want to do this for two years and

1315
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: then disappear. Yeah, you understand, And that's what's happening because.

1316
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: You're doing it for six months now. Disappearance crazy man.

1317
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: At least at least back then.

1318
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: They had two years, you had a hit record, you

1319
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 3: could go on to all you can feed your family now.

1320
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 3: And what's fucked up about it is no one's schooling

1321
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 3: these kids, That's what I'm saying, not telling them hold

1322
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: that money, don't buy that car, don't buy that that

1323
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: They're just.

1324
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: Letting them go and then that money is gone, specially

1325
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: at arts and literacy. That's what we do.

1326
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: We teach them better. We teach you better, and so

1327
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: you know better and you do better and you succeed.

1328
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: That's what I'm on. That's all I'm on right now.

1329
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: I don't compete with nobody. I ain't out here putting

1330
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 2: out a new single, this, that, and the third. No,

1331
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm out here talking to these kids. I'm going to

1332
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: the hoods. I'm on my way to Chicago. I'm in Philly,

1333
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm in New York. I'm everywhere I need to be.

1334
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 2: I'm in North Carolina, like just wherever it's at. Oh,

1335
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 2: I'm national. Nah, I'm between the South. I'm all over. Man,

1336
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: I got a few cribs. I just chill, man, I don't.

1337
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: I don't even disclose that.

1338
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 4: No more.

1339
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 7: Man.

1340
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: That's a part of flaws, and that's a part of

1341
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: right here, come get me.

1342
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: But but yeah, you know, I invest wisely, and that's

1343
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: a part of it, investing things that appreciate. Go buy

1344
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: some houses. You know what I'm saying. You can get

1345
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: a nice car, but make sure you got a nice

1346
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: house first. You know what I'm saying, Something that's going

1347
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: to appreciate and make you money year after year.

1348
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:36,959
Speaker 1: Absolutely, what are you what are you telling the youth

1349
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:41,959
Speaker 1: and how to navigate social media. How to navigate social media,

1350
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: that's like the one of the biggest issues.

1351
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: Right right It is not to be reckless, not to

1352
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: be offensive, be mindful of how you direct your energy

1353
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: and to whom you direct your energy. Don't start you know,

1354
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: don't start problems. This this kids right now that is

1355
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: actually using social media to beef yea and to take

1356
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: over right and to take lives. And that's you know,

1357
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: that's that's the misuse of it first of all. But

1358
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: then if you think about it, that's that sound like

1359
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: an agenda to me. That sounds like they making they

1360
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 2: designing this ship. Brother, They designing this ship just for

1361
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: such the willing giving into it, where before we already

1362
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 2: were like nah, nah no, no, we need to do

1363
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 2: better and teach our children better.

1364
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: You know.

1365
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of kids out here that may

1366
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: not have one or both parents, but you still have

1367
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: a community, you know what I'm saying, And a lot

1368
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: of them get caught up in what they would call

1369
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 2: a gang. But you know, it's up to the gang

1370
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 2: to direct them correctly and not to destroy themselves and others.

1371
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It's a responsibility that come

1372
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: with all of that. You could be a OG. But

1373
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: what kind of og are you? You know what I'm saying.

1374
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 2: Are you teaching them how to make money, how to

1375
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 2: get it out there and not die and go to jail?

1376
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 2: Or you just sending them off to the wall. You're

1377
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 2: sending them out the door with the ratchet goat?

1378
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: You feel me?

1379
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: You can't do that, man, That's like you gotta be

1380
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: a real o G. You can't just be you know,

1381
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: using children. You know what I'm saying, You can't use

1382
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: and abused children. Man, that's not looked upon. You know,

1383
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 2: that's not good real so karma karma real, and you're

1384
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: gonna get all that back, you feel me?

1385
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 5: What's your We talked a little bit before, but is

1386
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 5: there an affiliation with low lives with my boy Thirsty?

1387
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: Oh? Like he's the way he leads, the way you know,

1388
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: from showing that whole community that he was a part

1389
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: of a different way. Yeah, absolutely, it's turning.

1390
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: What was I wouldn't say negative because they was trying

1391
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: to survive, you know, and they found the lane hustling

1392
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 2: gear seed you.

1393
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: Never shot lifted, but they did. They did absolutely, you know,

1394
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: and I grew up with them, you know.

1395
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 2: I grew up with with them in Brooklyn, and when

1396
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: I came out, you know, they was everywhere there was

1397
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: around I went to school, My man guests actually shout

1398
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: out to my main guests. I used to cut out

1399
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 2: of school with him and he used to have moms

1400
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 2: with we go to the crib. He lived on Rockaway

1401
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 2: a lot of guests. Yeah, he was, and then he

1402
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: lived next door to fee fee Ware.

1403
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: To feel.

1404
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: Right, they was all surrounded by everybody else all low.

1405
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: There was low life, there was fee Low, guests, low everybody.

1406
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1407
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: So they more more than just polo.

1408
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 2: Now, it was a bunch of it was brands, but

1409
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: that was the lucrative brand that they could sell and

1410
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 2: monetize in the streets.

1411
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: I like it that Ralph loren actually included them in

1412
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: his Man.

1413
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 2: They partially responsible for the success of his brand, just

1414
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: in the fact that they was, you know, criminalized stealing

1415
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 2: it and selling it, like they stole millions of dollars

1416
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: worth of that ship, but it was also wearing it.

1417
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we do.

1418
01:07:55,160 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: I was like then, absolutely, oh yeah, I'll be square

1419
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: mall hell yeah, Brooklyn, New York. That was that was

1420
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: a landmark Dad in King's Plaza. You know what I'm saying.

1421
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: Anyway up in down Fulton Street, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1422
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: downtown Brooklyn.

1423
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: Yes, well you supposed to. Our show is about giving

1424
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 3: people all they flowers while they're.

1425
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: Alive, and we wanted to give you. I appreciate that

1426
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 1: you are I call my brother. I appreciate that.

1427
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 3: I can't wait.

1428
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: I can't wait.

1429
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: And this Sunday and she said this Sunday. No, No,

1430
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 2: we did cony out last Sunday. What Sunday coming up

1431
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 2: is gonna be in Marcus Garvey Park uptown in Harlem.

1432
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, And I'm doing the Native Tongue tribute

1433
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: for Red Alert and Rest in Peace Baby Chris Chris

1434
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,879
Speaker 2: Lighty And it's gonna feature Red Alert, the Jungle Brothers,

1435
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: Black Sheep Dress, Chili Money Love and yeah, we're doing

1436
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 2: it like that. And you were signing Chris light was No,

1437
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 2: it was just my boy man, like we was friends.

1438
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: How did y'all connect?

1439
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: We connected through the industry through him being a violator

1440
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: in the native tongue. I fucked with them. They was

1441
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: all my people. I toured with them, you know. I

1442
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: toured with trip called quests a lot. You know what

1443
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying. There was native tongue too. They are you

1444
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: feel me? And just being family. Man. We treated each

1445
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: other with respect. Man, like I don't he done took me.

1446
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't spend the night by the crib just chilling.

1447
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying up in the Bronx. I

1448
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: used to be up in the Bronx all the time. Man,

1449
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 2: I went, I went anywhere. I pleased on this, in this,

1450
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 2: on this planet. You look like Jesus.

1451
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: That's it, Jesus.

1452
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: Hey, I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I'm

1453
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: basically like Jesus in the street.

1454
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what it was.

1455
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: You want to heal?

1456
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1457
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: How much? How much Beijing do you use? I don't

1458
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: use none. I don't use nothing. I'm gonna tell you.

1459
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,560
Speaker 2: I had one law the Gray here right here, and

1460
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 2: I got upset when it broke. My ship broke.

1461
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: You had one. I had one in my.

1462
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: I got I got a few little here and there,

1463
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: I think, But this is genetic, man, you know what

1464
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, I'm blessed thanks to my moms

1465
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 2: and poss who gave the drops of Loti berries, just

1466
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: regular eating fruits and berries.

1467
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: I'll put the ship in my head now.

1468
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 2: America girl. Yeah yeah, now that the not just the

1469
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 2: mother and father gift that they gave me. Man, they

1470
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 2: blessed me. But I'm glad.

1471
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 3: But back in the days, that was like the ship

1472
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 3: to have an esque girl and you got good hair.

1473
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: Did anybody ever accused you of having the esk girl? Well,

1474
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: now I think they could tell.

1475
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: They could see from you know, the grade or whatever,

1476
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, the grater heir, you know, just my my complexion.

1477
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 2: They would think I was you know, like Dominican, Puerto Rican,

1478
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: trinid Dad, Guyanese and those are all people with more

1479
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 2: curly or straight here.

1480
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 3: So you ain't never like act like he was one

1481
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 3: of them to get some pussies up.

1482
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 6: No, I ain't never had the hat. I ain't never

1483
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 6: had the hat. I mean I just full back and

1484
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 6: let that. I ain't never had to do nothing for it. Okay, Well,

1485
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 6: we got a game on our show. It's called quick

1486
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 6: Time of Slim. You're not drinking, so you could pick

1487
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 6: any one of these butters that drink for you.

1488
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 3: I suggest you picked the Haiti because he used to

1489
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 3: rocking Jamaican bell.

1490
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: He had no permission for no yard.

1491
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 3: I suggest you picked the Haitian because because yeah, yeah,

1492
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 3: because he had.

1493
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: No permission in rock the yard mane belt. I could

1494
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: do it with the coconut water. No, no, no, you

1495
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: have n't you have him take the shot?

1496
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 2: Sure? All right?

1497
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: Cool and you you you're good, you're gonna do stay cool?

1498
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 3: All right? Pumo or Pete Rock or Friend and roots

1499
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 3: a ry the spreending rum. Yeah, spending rules is if

1500
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 3: you pick both, then he drinks. If you be politically

1501
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 3: you reckon, you say neither, then he drinks. But if

1502
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: you pick one, then know what he drinks. Okay, okay,

1503
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 3: you ready?

1504
01:11:58,840 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 5: All right?

1505
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 3: Pre or Pete Rock both. Yeah, he understands this. Yeah,

1506
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 3: but this is my people, This is my family. You

1507
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 3: know it's okay this d MX or Biggie.

1508
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: X or Biggie.

1509
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 3: Biggie Okay, Brooklyn Brooklyn, Guru or big Al.

1510
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 2: That's a good one, Guru, Guru because he done gave

1511
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: me a haircut. That's that was my my man, like

1512
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: my man, my man, like I'd have been to his crib.

1513
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: Was a good.

1514
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1515
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Guru was a buck. I was too.

1516
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: I used to cut here before I started rapping.

1517
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I cut my hood. I cut all the hair.

1518
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 2: But one time we was at the New Music semin

1519
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 2: off in the city and gu was like, yo, I

1520
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: got run to my crib real quick.

1521
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I come with you. Fuck it,

1522
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: let's go. So we went to his crib.

1523
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: I got a little shape up and ship and then

1524
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: we went back to the New Music seminar.

1525
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: You up, yeah yeah?

1526
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: Got man. Rest in Peace, My man, Holly Rock rest

1527
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 2: in Peace introduced me to him from East New York

1528
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: because he was down with the East New York crew,

1529
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: and we kind of came out at the same time

1530
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 2: and did a lot of things together, you know. We

1531
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 2: we little side shows, inside hustles. We did a lot

1532
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: of ship together.

1533
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 8: Man.

1534
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: He was also a youth counselor.

1535
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

1536
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a counselor.

1537
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 9: Man.

1538
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: Guru was a little I ain't gonna lie. I got

1539
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: drunk with Google a lot. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1540
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I like this one. You want to take

1541
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 3: this one?

1542
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: Okay?

1543
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 8: Caine or Ell Caine Brooklyn damn straight out, straight out,

1544
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 8: no hesitation on.

1545
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,560
Speaker 2: That, and it ain't I'm gonna tell you well, I

1546
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: ain't gonna tell you we got up to Yeah Kane,

1547
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 2: shout outs to big Daddy Kane. That's the o G.

1548
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, he was like a big brother the

1549
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 2: me too. Like he doesn't come to church after the

1550
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: hood to pick me up. We go to Apollo hang out, chill,

1551
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: go watch all one of them little blaxploitation flicks at

1552
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 2: the crib. Chill, we laughing, get gigging it up. He

1553
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 2: was a big brother man, like I respect. The ship

1554
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: out of a big Day came May cut at the time.

1555
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 2: Probably probably so drag drag for the k I know,

1556
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 2: I know what you're gonna pick up with this one.

1557
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 3: Howie t Or Eric Sherman, Howie Tea Man Brooklyn Okay, Chub.

1558
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: Chub Rock Brooklyn like his loyalty. I like it. New

1559
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: Jack City or Juice Juice? How did you get in

1560
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: the Juice? I forgot that.

1561
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 3: Well.

1562
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't really really supposed to be in the movie

1563
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 2: at all. Actually, yeah, what happened was I read for

1564
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 2: the part because I wanted to be in the movie

1565
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 2: at the time, so I read for the part of

1566
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: the curly head kid.

1567
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: Of course you did.

1568
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: So when I went to the set, I went to

1569
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 2: the set to go fuck with Poc.

1570
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: That was my man, Like, we was tight. So I

1571
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: produced records for people to talk about this.

1572
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 3: Y Yeah.

1573
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I went to the set to go chill

1574
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: with Pac, and when I saw who they casted for

1575
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: the part I read for, I was like, how the

1576
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 2: funck y'all get a look alike?

1577
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 1: Why y'all ain't get the real nigga? Right?

1578
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: So Pac was like, yo, you read for this move.

1579
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, son, they gave it to the

1580
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: other curly head dude, what the fun?

1581
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 5: Right?

1582
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 2: Who is this other curly So that was right?

1583
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: He right there?

1584
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah right?

1585
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: And I end up taking this girl right So so.

1586
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 2: So Pack was like he acted like he was He

1587
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 2: acted like he had to do something. So he was like, Yo,

1588
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be right back. I'll be right back. So

1589
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 2: he left and when he came back, he was like, yo, ed,

1590
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 2: I got you a little part in the movie.

1591
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 3: Man.

1592
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 2: It ain't a big part, but it's a little cameo.

1593
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 2: I ain't even know he was doing that. I was like,

1594
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 2: come on, son, you ain't.

1595
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: Had to do that.

1596
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 2: Give thanks though, And then I went out there and

1597
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 2: they had this this drop top jeep, you know, them

1598
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: wranglers with no top and it had like a fuzzy

1599
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: steering wig and I was like, oh, hell no, I'm

1600
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 2: not driving that ship.

1601
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for the part, but I'm gonna drive my ship.

1602
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: So they looked at my sit and was like I

1603
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: had the red pasat with the foods, with the food sir, rims,

1604
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: the chrome ship.

1605
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, only only me, Only me and the shop

1606
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: owner had them rims.

1607
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1608
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 2: So I spent the little paper on them. But they

1609
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 2: saw my whipping it was like, all right, we use

1610
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: your car. So we found a little crackhead that was

1611
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: washing cars and was like, all right, clean my ship up.

1612
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this. And we did the scene in Harlow. Yeah,

1613
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 1: we did the scene.

1614
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 3: But talk to us about pocat me and I don't

1615
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 3: think you ever met Park none, never had a chance

1616
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 3: to meet popping up to outlaws and everyone.

1617
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of questions about no worries.

1618
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 3: It's not because because I just never I'll never get

1619
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: that back.

1620
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: What it is is I met Pop through through a

1621
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: mutual friend and through Latifa's crew.

1622
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: I used to date one of our dances, right, I

1623
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: feel me.

1624
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1625
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 2: So they were on tour with Digital Underground at the time,

1626
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 2: and I had spot dates that I used to do

1627
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: with them. I toured with all of them, but they

1628
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 2: introduced me to Tupac. He was a roadie for Digital

1629
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 2: Underground at the time, and I met all of the

1630
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: money be Shot Gen. We we all tight, like I

1631
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 2: still fuck with money be now Rest in Peace, Shot

1632
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 2: Gress in Peace, and you know we met then it

1633
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 2: was organic and we was all just cool.

1634
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: We all fucked with each other. When I went to

1635
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 1: l A, I called him.

1636
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: Up one time too, and he was like, damn, I'm

1637
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 2: in the bay, but I come fuck with you, and

1638
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 2: he drove all the way to LA to countries.

1639
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: With a right maybe we went out. We went hanging

1640
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: out and ship.

1641
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: But then when he came to New York all the

1642
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: time he'd call me and act too, and then he

1643
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: would come by the studio. And that's how we ended

1644
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: up producing for him because he said they had put

1645
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 2: him on and he had a record deal now, so

1646
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 2: he was like, if you got any beats, you know

1647
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Woo woo whoop. So he came through

1648
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: and we put him on some beats and did some

1649
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,799
Speaker 2: production for him. So you know, that was a blessing.

1650
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: But that was organic too, Like, I didn't try to

1651
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 2: jump on a record because he had a deal.

1652
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 1: I just produe. I did what he acts.

1653
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 3: But it's funny you say that because we could clearly

1654
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 3: see the relationship that Park had with you. We clearly

1655
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 3: see the relationship that Park had with Buck Down.

1656
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1657
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: He was a great dude. Man, He was a good dude.

1658
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 2: It was biggie early on.

1659
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like a Brooklyn connection.

1660
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1661
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 3: I mean he was just a real dude period. He

1662
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 3: was stretching a live squad too in Queens too.

1663
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1664
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, what's there a difference that

1665
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 3: you could notice recognize from the pocket you knew from

1666
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 3: Digital Underground days to the park that did you meet

1667
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 3: the pocket from on Death Row Pocket?

1668
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 2: Well, at that time, well meet, I already knew him,

1669
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: but I didn't see him when he came home and

1670
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 2: got on death Row and all that. And actually I

1671
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: was in La one time, and I was that's when

1672
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: I used to smoke.

1673
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 3: Man.

1674
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,839
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, let me just say, man, I stopped

1675
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: smoking weed after forty years. Wow, I'm Jamaican, so that

1676
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 2: shit come with the family. But I stopped smoking weed.

1677
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: This year.

1678
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just stopped a few months ago. Man, don't

1679
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: get excited. Don't get excited. That's all fresh. It's just control.

1680
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: It's just self control. You know what I'm saying. I

1681
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 2: controlled myself.

1682
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: So what I was saying against my pot.

1683
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 3: But hold on, we're gonna get back to pop. Make

1684
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 3: sure we go back to pop. But hold on, what

1685
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 3: made you stop smoking?

1686
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: I want to know that part. Well, I've been doing

1687
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: it so long. I'm like, when am I gonna stop? Okay?

1688
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: How am I going to dish? Destroyed myself in the process?

1689
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: I stopped smoking cigarettes? Am I gonna kill?

1690
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had to do that too. When I was

1691
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: a teen, I used to smoke new Ports. At one

1692
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: point I smoked black and Miles. I had to stop,

1693
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: like step by step when I moved to the South.

1694
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: I moved to the South, down South. I moved to

1695
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: the South, and yeah, okay, I stopped now long years ago,

1696
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: years ago, years ago. I stopped smoking new Ports, probably

1697
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 2: over ten fifteen years ago. And then I stopped smoking

1698
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: black and Miles a few years ago because I was

1699
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,600
Speaker 2: in the South. And that's like a I picked that

1700
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,440
Speaker 2: ship up from like Mark Sparks and shiit like North Carolina,

1701
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 2: they all they all doing some shit with them and

1702
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 2: get I just loosen it up like this and smoke

1703
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: it like what I'm saying. But they used to take

1704
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 2: it apart and peel shit off. I'm like, this ain't weed.

1705
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, shout out to Mark Sparks and the whole

1706
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 2: team out there, Charlotte man for real.

1707
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 3: So let me actually because two right, I mean, this

1708
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 3: was a totally different person.

1709
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what happened was I was in l A

1710
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 2: one time and I was smoking some pie grade and

1711
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 2: I passed out. My boy, My boy, my boys went

1712
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: to the party and see pot and I woke up tight.

1713
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: I woke up and I'm in there by myself. I'm like,

1714
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 2: what the fuck going on? Everybody at they at the party.

1715
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, I was so pissed at these motherfuckers.

1716
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 3: Boy.

1717
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: And then they come back and you, yeah, they were

1718
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 2: hide you. Yeah, it was up. I'm like, your motherfucker man.

1719
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: They was like, yo, sir, we seen pac. I was like,

1720
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 2: get the fuck away from me. Did you have a

1721
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 2: relationship with Big Yeah? Yeah, I had a relationship with

1722
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: Big through and it started through my man Klepto. And

1723
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 2: actually that's another person. I went to elementary. Yeah, I

1724
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: went to elementary with him. Okay, I got a picture

1725
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: online and me and him like this tall with our

1726
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 2: little slacks and button ups like this, you know, stunting.

1727
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 2: But we was in elementary. We grew up together. So anyway,

1728
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: he came by. I had a studio in Brooklyn called

1729
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 2: a Dollar Cab Lab.

1730
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: Dollar Cab Lab.

1731
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the dollar van.

1732
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: To go to church, exactly, dollar van. So that's why

1733
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: we call it dollar cat an people. Hell yeah, dollar yeah.

1734
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: So the Dollar Cab Lab. We I say it again.

1735
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: We don't win in a tangent. Oh yeah yeah.

1736
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

1737
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: So Clip came by the studio and everybody used to

1738
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: come by the studio, but he came byn and was like, yo,

1739
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: big putting us on, and we're gonna do an album

1740
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: once again.

1741
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 1: You got some beats, oh come on? Hell yeah.

1742
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: I got a whole team by that time. I had

1743
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: probably like five six producers with me in the Dollar

1744
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 2: Cab Lab. What I did was I had all the

1745
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 2: equipment in the studio and then I called all my

1746
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 2: homies and I said, look, I'm gonna show y'all how

1747
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 2: to use this ship. So I taught all of them,

1748
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: how to use the machines, how to sample, how to

1749
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: loop up, how to sequence all that shit, and so

1750
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 2: we always had beats.

1751
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 1: We had a gang of beats Dollar Cavet.

1752
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1753
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: Two we did like two or three we did like

1754
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 2: I think it was two joints on the Junior Mafia album. Yeah, yeah,

1755
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: well that's the only album they did. But we did

1756
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: two joints on their Murder Ones and oh my lord,

1757
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: oh wow.

1758
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1759
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1760
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: Did you ever think, because uh you know who Biggie

1761
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 3: was and who Park was, that they would ever crosspath

1762
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 3: and to get this bad No?

1763
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 2: Actually, you know, I think that was all third party

1764
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 2: in entourage ship, and that's that's really the problem. Is

1765
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: just sometimes the people you around and what they add

1766
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: to the mix, they add either negativity or positivity, you

1767
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: feel me. So that's what happened, man. I think between

1768
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 2: them too, as individuals, they was never in a problem.

1769
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 2: You know, I think it more so of the things

1770
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 2: that happened, and Pop blaming Big for not warning him,

1771
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 2: for warning him or informing him, right, you know.

1772
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.

1773
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's where they got it got tumultuous.

1774
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: But as men, as individuals, man, we all had love

1775
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: for each other.

1776
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:18,599
Speaker 1: Period.

1777
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 3: We had warm and g sit here the other day

1778
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 3: and Warren G said that he actually met with Big

1779
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 3: and he had a message to relate to Pac. He

1780
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 3: never had got it to Park. He said that he

1781
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 3: thinks single handled one of those messages might have changed

1782
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: the whole trajectory of this whole situation.

1783
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: You think, you think.

1784
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 3: Because that lack of communication, because you know, if they

1785
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: would have probably got in the phone with each other,

1786
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 3: they probably say, yo, bro, I'm not beefing with you.

1787
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. You think that that was a

1788
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: big part. Yeah, I think that was a big part.

1789
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 2: But also I think there was a lot of fire

1790
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 2: and Park at the time. I mean, he got shot up,

1791
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Regardless of how it happened

1792
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: or what happened, the fact is that it happened in

1793
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 2: our home.

1794
01:24:59,439 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: You feel me.

1795
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 2: That's like if we go to LA and something happened

1796
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: in the studio where they at, it's gonna feel like, yo, bro.

1797
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna automatically feel weird. Yeah, it's gonna feel weird.

1798
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 2: So I think that energy, you know, just ran off

1799
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: and took a life of its own without men getting

1800
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: to speak man the Man and heal the situation, you

1801
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

1802
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 10: I agree, Yeah, you want to go to the next one.

1803
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 10: We lost some icons yet, resting peace to both of them. Men,

1804
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 10: all right, Mop or black Moon?

1805
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: Oh Man, drink Man? Can they both from Brooklyn? And

1806
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: I foxed with both of them. They all, you know,

1807
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 2: little fame, that's my little they all come on man.

1808
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1809
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 2: And then Buckshot in boot Camp actually came up in

1810
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 2: the Dollar Cab Lab in my studio.

1811
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1812
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 2: So when they started recording boot Camp Click, when they

1813
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: started the boot Camp Click and started recording all their

1814
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 2: albums ogc Healter, Skelter, et cetera, rocking rock and all that,

1815
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: they started in my studio in Brooklyn, the Dollar Cab

1816
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 2: Lat it used to be like ten fifteen of them

1817
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 2: just laid out everywhere because you know, we had a fit.

1818
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: It was a it was like a not it was

1819
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 2: an apartment, but we turned into a studio and it

1820
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: was different rooms all over. We had video game rules

1821
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 2: and roots.

1822
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1823
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, shout them out. Yeah, yeah, they know, just

1824
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 2: ask them about the Dollar Cab last.

1825
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1826
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 2: I wish I would have been there, Dollar Cab Lab. Hell, yeah,

1827
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: you'd have been welcome. We welcomed everybody. Everybody been there.

1828
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 2: And when they came through Brooklyn, they came and stopped

1829
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 2: off and chill. Even if they didn't record, they came

1830
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 2: by to chill.

1831
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: You feel me. It was a family, it.

1832
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 3: Was it was a vibe good fab or Jadakiss, Jadakiss.

1833
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 2: I know Fab is from Brooklyn, But me and Jada

1834
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: I have always had a relationship, like me and the Locks.

1835
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 2: Like see certain groups, you know, certain groups we gravitate

1836
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 2: to just on the strength of realness. And I spent

1837
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 2: a lot of time on Yonkers too. I used to

1838
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 2: go fuck with him down down the road and all that.

1839
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 2: And you know they show love so and I haven't

1840
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: seen them all over the country. You feel me out

1841
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: and those see if Jada was having a show or

1842
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: some ship, I might go pull up, yo, what up

1843
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 2: some like that. So you know he's been out the Charlotte.

1844
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: I've ran up on him in La, this, that and

1845
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 2: the third. Like that's the type of relationship we got.

1846
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 2: So I would just say, Jada, man, yeah, and I

1847
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,439
Speaker 2: don't know if this is a for skill off of

1848
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 2: the relationship.

1849
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like this pick right now, Yeah, this is

1850
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 3: all your criteria jay Z or nots jay Z.

1851
01:27:54,680 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 2: Or nos'ma, I'm gonna give it to Brooklyn. I'm gonna

1852
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: give it to Brooklyn just because I'm from Brooklyn. But

1853
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 2: I love them both, you know, and to be real,

1854
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 2: to be really real, they both showed me love. I

1855
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 2: probably spent a lot more time around Nas and just

1856
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 2: fucking with Nas. But and I booked Naves before you know,

1857
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 2: we brought him to Charlotte. But you know, shout out

1858
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 2: to boy man, you should drink for that. But I'm

1859
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna spend fucking drink drink for that one man,

1860
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: Both drink Okay, o C or lawfulness, O C or

1861
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 2: Lord forness? You can got ahead and just drink again. Okay, No,

1862
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 2: you have a problem. You have a drinking problem like

1863
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:55,759
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem. Or biz Markey, Oh man, Okay,

1864
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just have to say biz Markey. They both Brooklyn,

1865
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 2: but biz Marcky, I've I've had a big bro relationship

1866
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 2: with biz Markey's for thirty something years since the beginning

1867
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: of my career.

1868
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: It's out. I have to watch the rest in peace

1869
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 1: to biz Markey.

1870
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: He has always been the most loving, the most genuine,

1871
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 2: the most real of.

1872
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 3: People period, and I wanted to play him in the movie. Okay,

1873
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 3: if a movie come out the Juice Crew, I'm gonna go.

1874
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: And let me tell you a little you're going to start.

1875
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 2: Let me tell this a story about buz Man back

1876
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: in the days, and he changed my perspective on some things.

1877
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 2: One of them was we had a show in Puerto

1878
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: Rico and Biz comes to the show with no luggage, nothing.

1879
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 2: He just had a walkman on. I'm like, and the

1880
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 2: whole time it's just bus and a walkman. Ain't no

1881
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 2: bag nowhere, no nothing. I'm like, oh, this thing is real. Meantime,

1882
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 2: I got all kinds of bag. I got a robe

1883
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 2: in my ship, I got Fendy luggage. I'm like, and

1884
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 2: it's only a one nice show. But the lesson I

1885
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 2: learned is, man, fuck all this. If you in and out,

1886
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 2: you in and out. I might carry a little bag

1887
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 2: here and there now, but I learned from Biz like, man,

1888
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 2: fuck this, it ain't really all about all that. Just

1889
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 2: go in, get your money, what you got doing. Go yeah, man, shout.

1890
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 1: Out the biz Man. He really rest in peace.

1891
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 4: Man.

1892
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah.

1893
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 2: This was a real big bro.

1894
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: His connections was ill and I don't want to ruin it,

1895
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: but people need to watch that documentary. It's it's dope,

1896
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: all right. Next one, Havoc or Large Pro, I.

1897
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 2: Would say, yeah, I would say Large Pro because of

1898
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 2: my relationship with Large Pro. I done been through his

1899
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: crib and Queen's Bridge in the apartment. As matter of fact,

1900
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 2: that's where I first met Nas at was in Large

1901
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 2: Pro crib. You feel me because Nas lived in Queen's

1902
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 2: Bridge at the time and I went to Large Pro

1903
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 2: crib to get some tracks and hear some beats, and

1904
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Nas popped in and we actually had a little cipher.

1905
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, just me and him in

1906
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,600
Speaker 2: Large Pro. So shout out to Large Pro. And like

1907
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: I said, shout out to Nas. That's why I say, man,

1908
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 2: you know you got to drink because you know what

1909
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 2: I'm saying me and you know that's that's the little

1910
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 2: homie there.

1911
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: That's a little bro.

1912
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1913
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: The next one Kris One or Chuck D, Chuck N.

1914
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: Chuck D. So Chuck D.

1915
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 1: Now you know why Chuck D has always been stand up.

1916
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we used to tour and one thing I

1917
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: learned from Chuck touring is that to take this business

1918
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 2: seriously because while we was wild and now smoking weed,

1919
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 2: getting drunk, this, that, and the third, we were going

1920
01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 2: to a truck stop and Chuck d is sitting at

1921
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 2: the table with the whole team around the table, and

1922
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 2: there is some deep ass conversation doing the knowledge you

1923
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 2: feel me. And I always looked at that like, man,

1924
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 2: I'm out here to have fun. But I had to

1925
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 2: take and learn from what I saw from Chuck, and

1926
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: that was to take this business serious and to treat

1927
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 2: it serious. You feel me, So I would say, Chuck

1928
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 2: d unequivocably.

1929
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 1: You met Nas at Large Pro House?

1930
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met Na's at Large Pro House in Queensbridge,

1931
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,679
Speaker 2: and I remember, I remember, Yeah, we had a little sipher.

1932
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 2: We was playing beats Me and Na start spitting. We

1933
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: had to get down low for the speakers and the

1934
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 2: mic feedback. So we're down low, crouching, spitting and shit.

1935
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 2: But one of the neighbors must have been complaining because

1936
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 2: this shit was banging. Large Pro is getting on our rate,

1937
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 2: got the ratchet. I'm like, yo, just easy, son, you

1938
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 2: gotta I'm like, yo, Son, I'm like, you gotta live here, son,

1939
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: chill out, like what you're gonna do?

1940
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 1: Shoot out?

1941
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 2: The window.

1942
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: Come on, son, shout out to large pro man, that's

1943
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: the that's the honey Ellmatic or ready to die Ellmatic

1944
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: or ready to die. So he could drink for that. Yeah,

1945
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: drink for that.

1946
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 2: He ain't got no problems but a drinking problem. Az

1947
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 2: or Cormega, ac or Cormega. They they're in the same team,

1948
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 2: ain't they.

1949
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you still gotta pick.

1950
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 2: There was like partners an they was on the same

1951
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 2: records and ship right somewhat.

1952
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: Okay, he could drink for that. Cool they cool? MC

1953
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:51,799
Speaker 1: light or Queen Latifa.

1954
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm gonna say MC Light and I've had

1955
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 2: I've had a great relatelationship with Latifa, but I think

1956
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 2: throughout the years i've seen and been around and had

1957
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 2: more communication with Light.

1958
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: But you know, we used to tour together.

1959
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 2: Like I've shared my tour bus with Latifa in them man,

1960
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 2: like we've been Yeah, flavor units, shout out shot him,

1961
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 2: shout out the whole team.

1962
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Recipeace withs owings.

1963
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. But matter of fact, it's

1964
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,839
Speaker 2: drink to that man. But Light is Brooklyn. Light is Brooklyn.

1965
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 2: But you're gonna still drink Okay Tupac or Easy Tupac?

1966
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Have you heard? I didn't meet him. I've seen him.

1967
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 2: He was with Dre at a party in the what

1968
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 2: was that Mars or some ship back in the days

1969
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 2: on the West Side Highway and him and Dre came

1970
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 2: to the party. We were standing outside at the door

1971
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 2: waiting to get in. That's the only time I've ever

1972
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 2: seen Easy. I've seen Dre plenty of times. I done

1973
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 2: been to Dre study shout outs to Dre man one love.

1974
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, definitely, uh who I picked? Come on son?

1975
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 2: The tracks you said you produced for Poker on the

1976
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 2: albums absolutely one was on the album strip Strictly for

1977
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 2: my niggas and one no, the album was called Strictly

1978
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 2: and then the other one was uh posts his passing.

1979
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 2: They put out a project and they asked for the

1980
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 2: record because it was never released.

1981
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: It was called open Fire and shout out the DJ

1982
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: action too. Video music box, all your own TV raps,

1983
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 1: Video music box.

1984
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 2: Uncle Ralph Brooklyn once again, but problem from Queens Well,

1985
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 2: I always see Ralph and Brooklyn. Ralph from to me,

1986
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 2: but nah, but Ralph because he's still added, he's still going.

1987
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I had Ralph hosts The Coney Island

1988
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 2: Show and Ralph is hosting in Harlem with me. I

1989
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: always incorporate Ralph. He always showed me love. He showed

1990
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,560
Speaker 2: me more love than most you feel me throughout my

1991
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 2: entire career, like period. So Uncle Ralph all day. You

1992
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I mean, you know at Love

1993
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 2: and Doctor Dre, I love y'all too, But Ralph is

1994
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 2: my O G man.

1995
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,120
Speaker 1: That's that's unk. Yeah as well. Yeah, n w A

1996
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 1: O Wu Tang clan Wu Tang Wu Tang is for

1997
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 1: the kids.

1998
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 4: Now.

1999
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 2: You know what besides that, man Wu Tang was dropping

2000
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 2: knowledge and positivity.

2001
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: You know, n w A brought the age of destruction,

2002
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 1: Damn Jesus. N w A brought the age of destruction

2003
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: to our children and our culture.

2004
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 2: Period. Hey, I respect all of them as men, but

2005
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 2: as the art form, and you want me to speak

2006
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 2: on the RD form, I'm gonna tell you what it is.

2007
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 2: That's where it started. Wow, that's where the agenda started,

2008
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 2: and that's where the destruction.

2009
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 3: Began against the rap You will give that to them

2010
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: or was it iced.

2011
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 2: T well iced t? Yeah? Iced T did that.

2012
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: I ain't say they started against the rap.

2013
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 2: But what happened was when the President sent them that letter,

2014
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 2: they went hand with that shit like you know, and

2015
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,520
Speaker 2: they had more of a presence.

2016
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 5: You know.

2017
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 1: Iced T did his numbers back, you know, he did

2018
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: his thing. That's my old G two iced T.

2019
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 2: But and w A ran away with it in such

2020
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 2: a way where it was like, for real, that's all

2021
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: we gonna do.

2022
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 3: You know.

2023
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 2: It was genius for them, and they made millions of

2024
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 2: dollars off of it, But look at what it caused

2025
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 2: the police early. Yeah, we always saying fucking the police.

2026
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 2: But they said it on record, absolutely for the record,

2027
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 2: and I respect them for that too.

2028
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: Shappa Ranks or Shop Ranks or Bougou.

2029
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 2: Hmmm, shop of the o G boy, you're gonna drink

2030
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 2: for that? They both from yard big up our yard man.

2031
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 2: Drink for the yard man. Name Belly or shot us.

2032
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 1: Belly or shot Yeah, I know, I know. Hm hmm.

2033
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: I would say, shatas.

2034
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 2: You took the water, you took the watts too far?

2035
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Now that the shot? Yes, I remember there was filming

2036
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 2: right around the corner.

2037
01:38:50,720 --> 01:39:00,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went, so you went with shotas okay, Master

2038
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:02,480
Speaker 3: Ace or Jay Wood the damage.

2039
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 1: Hmmm.

2040
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 2: I would go with Ace because of our long standing relationship,

2041
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 2: and I do have a long standing relationship with Jay

2042
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 2: Rue as well, but I think I've had more interaction

2043
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 2: and then sharing the Crookland soundtrack Crooklyn going back and

2044
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 2: talking about going back to Crookland.

2045
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Hold on super Cat or Bounty Killer. I don't know

2046
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: why Jamaica keep coming out of me. Well, see one

2047
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: is the og and Bounty is actually now a OG.

2048
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 1: I actually Supercat, your cousin. I could tell Actually, I'm

2049
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: gonna tell you though.

2050
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 2: I did the first hip hop collab with Bounty Killer

2051
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 2: Wow on my album. It's called just a Killer Wow. Yeah,

2052
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 2: it was on my album Revelations. I actually flew down

2053
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 2: to Jamaica to King Jammy's studio with the cash, with

2054
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 2: the cash and paid the man when you know he

2055
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: was he you know, before he had all the hip

2056
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 2: hop fame on ninety four, I believe, Yeah to the.

2057
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:13,679
Speaker 1: Yard, yeahsh yeah, very dangerous.

2058
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah.

2059
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm a dangerous guy. Man, don't get tristed.

2060
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm Jesus on the street. But you know I'm also

2061
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 2: you know, I'm many things. Respect my family. My family

2062
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:30,919
Speaker 2: is from Kingston, Jamaica.

2063
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 3: You know, all of them you know, my favorite place

2064
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:34,879
Speaker 3: in Kingston, Jamaica is Tivoy Gardess.

2065
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 4: Okay, enjoy that. Enjoy yourself for me, this is the

2066
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 4: last one.

2067
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: You want to take it. Loyalty or respect, loyalty.

2068
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna get respect, but loyalty, loyalty, you know

2069
01:40:57,320 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, because then you know you can trust

2070
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 2: and you know, you know who you could fuck with.

2071
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2072
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 2: Anybody could respect you, you could scale them more fucking

2073
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 2: too respecting you. But that don't mean they're gonna be loyal.

2074
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, They gonna run and go

2075
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,000
Speaker 2: tell the police. You know what I'm saying. I take

2076
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 2: that loyalty now, I know I could trust you with whatever.

2077
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 2: We're good, right, Yeah.

2078
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: Right, I respect that. I respect that. Yeah.

2079
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 2: Hey hey, I'm gonna take I take my respect. I

2080
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 2: take my respect period. But loyalty is rare. Loyalty you

2081
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 2: gotta really be loyal. You got and not everybody's loyal.

2082
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: You feel me. You can always take your respect because

2083
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: that's what I've been doing. Like fuck that.

2084
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my respect, But loyalty you can't. You know,

2085
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 2: by time you turn your back you know, you don't know,

2086
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 2: it might be a knife in it. You feel me?

2087
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:53,560
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah? Did you?

2088
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Did you?

2089
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:55,560
Speaker 3: I know you say you don't go to concerts, but

2090
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,680
Speaker 3: did you get to see clips of the Hip Hop

2091
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:59,120
Speaker 3: fifty concert in Yankee Stadium?

2092
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 2: No, it'd been on my timeline, but I just keep scrolling.

2093
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 2: I don't fuck with appropriation. Appropriation, what do you mean

2094
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: by that? I mean, motherfucker's trying to come up off

2095
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 2: of the people that ain't. That wasn't done by nobody

2096
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 2: I could respect in this industry. That was done by uh,

2097
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 2: you know, the man, that was put together by the man,

2098
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 2: that was exploited by the man.

2099
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 1: And they I don't know what the ticket prices was,

2100
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:36,759
Speaker 1: but I could imagine.

2101
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 7: But you don't think that was a good thing. I

2102
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 7: think that was a good thing overall. No, overall it

2103
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 7: was a good thing. But for them to do it wasn't.

2104
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 7: I would have rather seen Red Alert do that. I

2105
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 7: would have rather seen Ralph McDaniels do that. I would

2106
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 7: rather see.

2107
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 2: Somebody in the culture win from that, rather than these

2108
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 2: entities the vampires come in and do that and then

2109
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 2: not really respect the actual culture and not value the culture.

2110
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: They came to me.

2111
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:11,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna say this, Both Rock the Bells

2112
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 2: and the Yankee Stadium Ship both came to me and

2113
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 2: low ball me, and I felt disrespected, Like, Nah, y'all

2114
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 2: gotta pay. Y'all can't come to me and offer me

2115
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 2: half of what I want the fuck out of here.

2116
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Y'all not doing that to the other groups. Y'all ain't

2117
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 2: doing that to run DMC. I know that for a

2118
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,839
Speaker 2: fact period.

2119
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:34,679
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

2120
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: But you ana come to these other artists and think

2121
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 2: you can determine what they're worth, and that's not how

2122
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:41,679
Speaker 2: this works.

2123
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:46,640
Speaker 1: But who's finished. But what I'm asking Sometimes.

2124
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like the culture does deserve a pay

2125
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 3: cut sometimes when it comes from the culture.

2126
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Like the fact that it's coming from l it ain't

2127
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: come from now. Man.

2128
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 2: Look, look, he got his own brand and his thing going,

2129
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 2: and that's wonderful. But he don't speak for me, and

2130
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 2: he don't speak for my genre or my timeline. He

2131
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 2: don't even speak for half the artists that I fuck with.

2132
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 2: You understand, I see he's speaking for queens. That's cool,

2133
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 2: But I'm from Brooklyn. I'm from I kept. Do you

2134
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 2: want to stand all the money I donetook, man, But listen,

2135
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 2: but I can't.

2136
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 3: I can't say that because I've been on one rock.

2137
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: You're from Queen's. Well, see, he came to you and

2138
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 1: he treated you properly.

2139
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well.

2140
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: I took a pay cut. I did, I did, I did.

2141
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:44,600
Speaker 3: But what I'm trying to say is I think that

2142
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 3: sometimes it's unfair to.

2143
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Like but hold on, how you going to take a

2144
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 2: pair of cut? But he charging the ship out the audience.

2145
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:52,680
Speaker 1: I just can't tell.

2146
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 2: I Well, see I can. I could tell anybody, no, nobody,

2147
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 2: don't run. It ain't no old man on this earth

2148
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 2: above me. I'm your idol, the highest title nigga. Please,

2149
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:11,799
Speaker 2: so when you come to me, step to me correctly.

2150
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 2: That's it.

2151
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: That's all I asked. You're a grown man. You already know.

2152
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm toured with LL before.

2153
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 2: I mean, when I was coming out and my ship

2154
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 2: was hot on the street, he put me on spot

2155
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:24,679
Speaker 2: days to sell tickets.

2156
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with the process, you know what I'm saying.

2157
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 2: I'm also familiar with the fact that you know what

2158
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying. There was a lot of people that wasn't

2159
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 2: around for a very long time. But now they want

2160
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 2: to come back and take everything.

2161
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 1: Come on, bro, all right, but and Yankee Stadium was

2162
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 1: involved in that's appeal, well, he kind of that. That

2163
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 1: was Na's whole stance with em.

2164
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 3: She sham was to say that he's involved, meaning that

2165
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 3: he took the money, but like he didn't necessarily have everything.

2166
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 1: To do with the actual book.

2167
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 2: And now this is what I'm trying to tell you.

2168
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 2: It's no and hey listen, even with I'm gonna just

2169
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,760
Speaker 2: say this, even with a the bells, even with a

2170
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:06,839
Speaker 2: mass appeal, these are other entities involved that are pulling

2171
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:07,640
Speaker 2: the strings.

2172
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 3: Period. Prove me wrong. But Massive Pill got a hip

2173
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,879
Speaker 3: hop museum. I feel like they're a museum.

2174
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 1: All of that shit is appropriation. Bro.

2175
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 2: It's museums everywhere, museums popping up everywhere, museums overseas, museums

2176
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 2: every fucking where.

2177
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 1: Bro.

2178
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:30,800
Speaker 2: That ain't nothing but another person doing what they got

2179
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 2: to do to make money off of hip hop.

2180
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: Wow. That is not the participants of the art.

2181
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

2182
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,600
Speaker 1: Call me when read Alert got a museum, what.

2183
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:44,080
Speaker 3: Would you have done different if they came to you,

2184
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 3: like you said, you curated right, So if they came

2185
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 3: to you, if Yankee Stadium. They got mass appeal to

2186
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 3: take out rock the Bells at L let's say, just

2187
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Yankee Stadium right themselves said Yo, and we've been loving

2188
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 3: what you been doing.

2189
01:46:57,080 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 1: Can this is in your hands? What would you have done?

2190
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 2: I would have contacted all the artists that deserve to

2191
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 2: be recognized and I would have gave them recognition and

2192
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 2: participation in the event.

2193
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: At what they asked, artists, you have booked? Yeah, I can.

2194
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 2: But that's a whole love. Uh, that's a fucking assignment

2195
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 2: like that. I gotta dig into my I gotta ship.

2196
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean just in general, I don't even

2197
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 2: know who was there who was not?

2198
01:47:30,360 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: You feel me?

2199
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 2: I saw some flyers you know this and that and

2200
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 2: the third Yeah, who Hurk is everywhere? Respect shoutouts to

2201
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 2: cool Hurk. And I'm gonna just say, man, who Hurk?

2202
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 2: You know he's he's Jamaican. He brought his set outside,

2203
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 2: he had a party. You know what I'm saying. He

2204
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 2: did what Jamaicans do. You know what I'm saying. And

2205
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they appreciated that in the Bronx and

2206
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,600
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they attribute that to hip hop. Are

2207
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 2: you trying to say that's like normal, that's that's what

2208
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 2: we do, that's what's been doing.

2209
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 1: Come outside the big speakers.

2210
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 2: If you look at all the speakers, even in the

2211
01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 2: historical photographs and ship you see the Jamaican flags on

2212
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 2: them and the horns and yeah they sound they sound

2213
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:15,680
Speaker 2: system they sets. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's that's a that's

2214
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:17,519
Speaker 2: a part of the that's a part of the culture.

2215
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. All Right, I think crazy

2216
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 1: like said something like that. Like you just said, yeah

2217
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of parties around that time.

2218
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 2: Well, what I want to say, yeah, party is a party.

2219
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm not going to blame anything on one party. But

2220
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 2: what I do want to say is I hear a

2221
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:34,600
Speaker 2: lot of people talking about, oh, well I invented this,

2222
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 2: and I invented that, and I invented that. Come on, bro,

2223
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 2: y'all need to ease up. Talk to DJ Hollywood man. Yes, yeah, man, man,

2224
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's good. We can all have a

2225
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 2: credit for our contributions. But when you start talking about

2226
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,840
Speaker 2: you inventing ship, like go patent something.

2227
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 3: And when you say DJ Hollywood was that technically the first.

2228
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 2: He well technically he can break ship down as a

2229
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 2: og and that you know what was happening during that

2230
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 2: time because a lot of people claiming a lot of ship.

2231
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 1: You feel me and I respect everybody. I respect the.

2232
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 3: Lessons they say Cochla rock was the first time the

2233
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:20,280
Speaker 3: folk first the see but then I'm hearing like as

2234
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 3: far as rocking the party, DJ Hollywood was the first

2235
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 3: person like to want the mic.

2236
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 2: Well, see, that's between them. I wasn't even there. I

2237
01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 2: wasn't even there. But I do know a party is

2238
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 2: a motherfucking party. And unless y'all started a part, like

2239
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:39,760
Speaker 2: the whole concept of having a party, I mean, talk

2240
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 2: to me.

2241
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 3: Because essentially that's when they say hip hop was born

2242
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 3: out of a party.

2243
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 2: A girl, I don't think it was just the party.

2244
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:47,759
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he was bringing the breaks

2245
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 1: back and forth at that party, at that party. Yes,

2246
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 1: what there's what is being said. What do you believe?

2247
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: What a special?

2248
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 3: I believe what I believe aliens came down as came

2249
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 3: down right now, especially how the hip hop gets start.

2250
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 3: What would you say?

2251
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 2: Okay, there was a whole lot of crooners and people

2252
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 2: making records, rapping right as far as having parties.

2253
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,639
Speaker 1: Yet cool Hurk is from Jamaica.

2254
01:50:11,680 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 2: And then Jamaica they bring the sound set outside because

2255
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 2: you have a lot of oppressed people. The South Bronx

2256
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,880
Speaker 2: was an oppressed people at that time, but Jamaica has

2257
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 2: been an oppressed people in a third world country. And

2258
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 2: how they find peace within themselves or a little happiness

2259
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 2: out of life, it's through the tunes and through the

2260
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 2: bringing the sound system outside and playing, and that's what

2261
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 2: that's what's been going on. So Hurt brought the same

2262
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 2: thing to the Bronx. That's amazing, wonderful. Thank you cool Hurt.

2263
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:46,640
Speaker 2: We love you and we appreciate you. I love and

2264
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 2: appreciate everybody. But I just want to get the notion

2265
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 2: and the concept that you know, this is not one

2266
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 2: action started this, not one I don't think one party

2267
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 2: specific started this. It's the whole concept of bringing some

2268
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:10,799
Speaker 2: sort of happiness to a desolate environment, bringing people together

2269
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 2: to unify.

2270
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 1: You feel me.

2271
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you go to a third world hut. You've

2272
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 2: you've been to Jamaica, You've seen.

2273
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 1: What it's like. Well, how did they bring peace?

2274
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 3: They blessing Cryptis, diplomats and Republicans there we are, I said.

2275
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 1: Diplomats, same same way, same gangs.

2276
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,120
Speaker 2: They talk about gangs, this and that and the third

2277
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 2: where gangs started, and this and that. Third shit is

2278
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 2: very political and historical. Think I'm saying politics definitely like

2279
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,440
Speaker 2: Jamaica politics.

2280
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: But ay wait, I think something important that Grandmaster Cas

2281
01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:55,519
Speaker 1: told us and mc shyrock. Okay, they said hip hop

2282
01:51:55,640 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 1: didn't invent anything. It reinvented everything, right, that's my point.

2283
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a specific or particular invention.

2284
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 1: I think that they reinvented everything.

2285
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 2: And then the art form of sampling and reinventing music

2286
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 2: and reinventing the rap.

2287
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:19,120
Speaker 1: And the way we record and poetry is tom riots.

2288
01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 2: Come on, now, we're talking about ancient shit, you know

2289
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. We're not talking about some shit that's

2290
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 2: fifty years old. Were talking about some shit that's thousands

2291
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 2: of years old.

2292
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 1: You understand.

2293
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, simply when they were saying that. Yeah, but

2294
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,719
Speaker 2: I love them all. I want them all to get props.

2295
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 2: I want them to get paid. How about that? How

2296
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 2: about we fucking make sure who hurt gets paid? How

2297
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 2: about DJ Hollywood gets paid? How about everybody that did

2298
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:52,080
Speaker 2: not get paid gets paid? Period? Give them something, give

2299
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 2: them royalties. You got sponsors. You got these people doing

2300
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 2: these big ass concerts, making millions of dollars.

2301
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 1: The older stadium. I saw it and said, fundraiser. I

2302
01:53:03,240 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 1: guess we gotta look into what the fundraising was. Oh,

2303
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 1: ain't looking at this ship. Yeah no, I'm gonna look

2304
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:11,640
Speaker 1: into it. I don't want to go through investigation. But

2305
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 1: my thing is the people. Should the people, yeah, exploit?

2306
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 2: Should the people have to pay more for us to

2307
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 2: celebrate our anniversary?

2308
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 5: Right?

2309
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:27,479
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it should be free?

2310
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 2: Right, billions of dollars later, fifty years later, you made

2311
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 2: billions of dollars. You can't throw a free fucking concert

2312
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 2: for the people. Pay the artists and let the people

2313
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:41,280
Speaker 2: in free. What the fuck?

2314
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: What are you celebrating?

2315
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 3: It's true, but a free concert and Yankee Stadium might

2316
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 3: be a little loose.

2317
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 2: Nah, use the same staff, same staff. And then they

2318
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 2: climited tickets. They mean they sell their hot dogs and beer, right,

2319
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 2: niggas love them glizzies. You only got so many tickets.

2320
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 2: You're talking about a billion dollar industry. Yeah, first, first serve,

2321
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 2: sign up whatever, have two concerts three? I don't care.

2322
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, great story, he said, I'm just sticking.

2323
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, man, that that's that's how you show

2324
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 2: your appreciation by you know, and the government needs to

2325
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 2: treat I mean, whether it needs to or not.

2326
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:32,080
Speaker 1: The fact is hip hop is really is the number

2327
01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 1: one cultural export of the United States exactly, traveled the

2328
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:40,800
Speaker 1: world ten times over, exactly, So why not celebrate for real.

2329
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 1: That's not a celebration.

2330
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 2: That's an exploitation, that's an opportunist Come on, bro, I mean,

2331
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 2: I want.

2332
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 3: To agree with you, and not agree with you to

2333
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,680
Speaker 3: a certain extent, but I also want to see the good.

2334
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:55,320
Speaker 3: You know.

2335
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 2: No, I see the good. I see the good that

2336
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 2: we here fifty years later and we're doing it right.

2337
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 2: But I also see where they ain't doing it for everybody?

2338
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:04,640
Speaker 3: Right?

2339
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, period, I put in work.

2340
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 3: But isn't that like with everything, like like somebody's always

2341
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 3: gonna get Yeah, someone's like someone's always like recently recently.

2342
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 2: Oh, but it's come to the point, hold on, it's

2343
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 2: come to the point where they appropriating and certain OG's

2344
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 2: and legends can't even get into the events. True, they

2345
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:31,920
Speaker 2: can't even go to the events. That's disrespectful, okay, but

2346
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 2: how the are you going to talk about?

2347
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 3: Definitely advocate for a second, because the other day they

2348
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 3: had Queensbridge Day, right, and on Queensbridge Day they had

2349
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 3: they hired Big Daddy Kane and they hired somebody else,

2350
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 3: so they actually didn't hire no one from Queensbridge. But

2351
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 3: I had to listen to their complaints and I'm listening

2352
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 3: and tragedies are a close friend of mine of the

2353
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 3: tragedy was like, yo, he kind of didn't want to

2354
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:56,480
Speaker 3: He didn't he say. He said that Caine invited him,

2355
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 3: but he said that when he got there, he kind

2356
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:00,280
Speaker 3: of didn't even want to hit the stage. He was

2357
01:56:00,360 --> 01:56:02,240
Speaker 3: just like, yo, I just he wanted to be there

2358
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 3: and supporter Kinge right, but not in the support of

2359
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:09,440
Speaker 3: the hood. But but what I was trying to explain

2360
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:11,360
Speaker 3: to him, which which I had nothing to do with,

2361
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 3: well that has what I was saying.

2362
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: You could take it from there.

2363
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 3: What I said to him was like, yo, a lot

2364
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 3: of the times it'sould be an outside promo to how

2365
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 3: you was just saying. And it's like people from Queensbridge

2366
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 3: are going to them like a curator.

2367
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: They don't know who to go through the cure rate.

2368
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:26,680
Speaker 3: It's just saying, whoever can get in contact with these

2369
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 3: artists right, and then that's how it's happening.

2370
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:30,240
Speaker 1: So that's the problem.

2371
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 2: The problem is the organizers, the organizers or whoever it

2372
01:56:35,320 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 2: gets hired to do the task, and sometimes they're putting

2373
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 2: the wrong organizers in place, and they're not respecting the

2374
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 2: culture or where they at.

2375
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 1: Like it took Caine from Brooklyn to know.

2376
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:54,000
Speaker 2: To invite a queensband guy right Trad to the event

2377
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 2: instead of the organizers saying Trad very correct, you're a

2378
01:56:58,400 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 2: community leaders, you're og from the community.

2379
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 1: We need your.

2380
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 2: Extra p we need you whoever, we need you, havoc,

2381
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:15,040
Speaker 2: we need you feel me. But instead y'all just go

2382
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 2: with whatever.

2383
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 1: And that's been happening since basically since people have figured

2384
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 1: out they can make money off of hip hop.

2385
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 2: Well that's what dissected it. And that's exactly what appropriation is.

2386
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 2: That's why I said it like ten times.

2387
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 3: Now because I mean obviously, like like I see the

2388
01:57:38,240 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 3: effects of hip hop.

2389
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:41,440
Speaker 1: Like, like I tell you the truth.

2390
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 3: One of my favorite places to go is to go

2391
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:46,760
Speaker 3: out of the country, is to perform is because I

2392
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 3: feel like the black man is gone everywhere else but

2393
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:50,840
Speaker 3: America right like it's.

2394
01:57:51,320 --> 01:57:54,800
Speaker 2: And that's the that's the whole reverse psychology because the

2395
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:58,240
Speaker 2: black man in America is god too original.

2396
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it just don't feel like it right.

2397
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 2: Well, because they came here, took our ship, and then

2398
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 2: let us think that this wasn't our ship, right, but

2399
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 2: we yeah, over over time and manipulation and media.

2400
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 3: So but when I go to like places like Europe

2401
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 3: and like that, like I can go to a club

2402
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:18,080
Speaker 3: and this would be all blank right, And by the

2403
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:19,680
Speaker 3: time I come in and I come out, they have

2404
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:25,080
Speaker 3: Compona and Norriego all over there doing grammedy and and

2405
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 3: they break dancing, and I'm sitting back and I'm like,

2406
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 3: what the fuck? And like I sat there one time

2407
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:34,640
Speaker 3: the moota gave me my money and just disappeared, and

2408
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 3: I'm just like, where the fuck is he at? And

2409
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 3: then come to find out the end of the night

2410
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:40,240
Speaker 3: he had all types of paint on his hand. This

2411
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 3: motherfucker was actually sitting there.

2412
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:46,840
Speaker 9: And ship and then motherfucking and then he didn't set

2413
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 9: it up for for as soon as us to walk out,

2414
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 9: it was to be a breakdance carser as soon as

2415
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:52,280
Speaker 9: we walked out.

2416
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:54,400
Speaker 1: So me and walked out, and these guys are.

2417
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:57,200
Speaker 3: Just breakdancing and just battling like it's b Street. But

2418
01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 3: in Europe and I'm like hip hop is living out

2419
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 3: and sat.

2420
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: Let me speak to that in the Vatican.

2421
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:14,560
Speaker 2: In European countries they worship mellenated people, yes, but here

2422
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:19,520
Speaker 2: in this country is the opposite because they mind fucking

2423
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:23,920
Speaker 2: us and took our land and took our country. So

2424
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 2: they can't educate you and worship you at the same time.

2425
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 2: They oppressing you. But all around the world, and they've

2426
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,640
Speaker 2: done it already all around the world. But the history

2427
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 2: is known. They're educated. They know who the mellenated are.

2428
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 2: You understand, but they can't tell you that here. Can

2429
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 2: they tell you that here? And you figure out who

2430
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:50,840
Speaker 2: and what you are, it's over for them, you feel me.

2431
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 3: I remember going overseas when Obama was in office. That

2432
01:59:55,320 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 3: was like the first time I kind of didn't feel racism.

2433
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 2: They was like, oh baba.

2434
01:59:58,800 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 5: I was like.

2435
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 2: They didn't really know like that. That was like racist.

2436
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 3: It's like anything they see the black person, it's like America.

2437
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:09,800
Speaker 2: I was like America. It's like, I was like, oh shit,

2438
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:16,360
Speaker 2: they secretly worship you. Yes, they they kiss your statues,

2439
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:18,640
Speaker 2: they pray to your images.

2440
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 1: You understand me.

2441
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:24,360
Speaker 3: Been in Japan. No, okay, Japan is like that for

2442
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,200
Speaker 3: the black man. I'm telling you. That's why you look

2443
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:27,560
Speaker 3: at step.

2444
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.

2445
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 2: The world is like that for the black man, the melanated. Okay,

2446
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:35,080
Speaker 2: the whole world is like that. But here in America

2447
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 2: they cannot do that. It's the opposite, right, because they

2448
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 2: were still under the mind control. Well most are. I

2449
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:44,560
Speaker 2: ain't under ship. I know why.

2450
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm Jesus on the three right.

2451
02:00:46,640 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 3: Amen, Listen, if you had anything to do over, what

2452
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:50,520
Speaker 3: would you do over?

2453
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 1: What would I do over?

2454
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 3: Mmm?

2455
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 2: Just maybe some of the business some of the business

2456
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 2: moves that I've made, and some of the deals that

2457
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,560
Speaker 2: I agreed to, are the deals that I made I

2458
02:01:06,560 --> 02:01:08,760
Speaker 2: would change, you know what I'm saying.

2459
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about it.

2460
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 2: Otherwise, life's experiences make you who you are, right, And

2461
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:19,720
Speaker 2: if I changed anything other you know, I might not

2462
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 2: be have the same perspective on mindset. You feel me

2463
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:25,400
Speaker 2: because because I think a lot of people come in

2464
02:01:25,480 --> 02:01:28,640
Speaker 2: the game with a strong mind, but then they get

2465
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 2: let up. They get you know, delusion by whatever. You

2466
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:37,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Drugs, fantasies of you know, delusions

2467
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:40,240
Speaker 2: of grandeur. Yeah, shit like that. And then they turn

2468
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:44,920
Speaker 2: into something else. They save themselves. You feel me. It's

2469
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:48,120
Speaker 2: about how can I win? How can I save myself?

2470
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:50,680
Speaker 2: How can I become rich? How can I get the

2471
02:01:50,840 --> 02:01:51,800
Speaker 2: mansion in the yacht?

2472
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:55,240
Speaker 1: You feel me? And they forget about the plight of

2473
02:01:55,320 --> 02:01:55,800
Speaker 1: the people.

2474
02:01:56,320 --> 02:02:01,240
Speaker 2: They forget about their families, They children run, You feel me?

2475
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? If you? If you? If aliens came down, I

2476
02:02:04,640 --> 02:02:06,520
Speaker 1: know touching this. I love aliens.

2477
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 3: W Aliens came down, and I want to learn hip hop.

2478
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 3: And you have one album to give them, Just one

2479
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:17,080
Speaker 3: album for the Aliens to go back Intoday's spaceship or whatever,

2480
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:18,320
Speaker 3: the Martians, whatever.

2481
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:19,920
Speaker 1: My ship, youngest in charge.

2482
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:26,400
Speaker 2: The first thing that go is I'm your idol, the

2483
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:35,840
Speaker 2: highest title held. Yeah, yes, I mean, I mean you know.

2484
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:38,640
Speaker 3: Because I honestly you know, I know we've been playing around.

2485
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:42,080
Speaker 3: But you looking so good like Kelly's young brothers. Like

2486
02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 3: how you can maintain this type of regimen because like

2487
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:45,960
Speaker 3: you said, I think you say it's fifty one and

2488
02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 3: you're looking like you fucking fucking twenty one.

2489
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:49,080
Speaker 4: Bro.

2490
02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to look for the Beijing. It's not

2491
02:02:52,200 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 1: coming out us, No, it's not coming out.

2492
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:56,440
Speaker 3: Real.

2493
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 1: Wea one thing is. One thing is genetics. That's for one.

2494
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:06,320
Speaker 2: For two is exactly what you put into your body,

2495
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 2: what you consumes. No, not yet. I'm kind of more

2496
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:15,240
Speaker 2: pescatarian issues. Okay, but I'm more conscious. I'm more conscious

2497
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:18,320
Speaker 2: than anything, you know what I'm saying. When we're younger,

2498
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:22,240
Speaker 2: we tend to eat anything, and we eat anything they sell.

2499
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:26,240
Speaker 2: But when I was younger, I was conscious, and I

2500
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:29,680
Speaker 2: stopped eating pork at a very young age, a boxtail.

2501
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:35,080
Speaker 2: I stopped eating beef. I stop eating pork. I stop

2502
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:38,240
Speaker 2: eating chicken. For the most part, I eat chicken sparingly.

2503
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:40,880
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that much.

2504
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:48,440
Speaker 2: But the fact is, the fact is I'm drinking the

2505
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 2: proper liquid. I don't funk with sodas and all that. Fruits,

2506
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables, fruits and berries. Vegetables is what you eat.

2507
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 2: You are what you eat. The energy you get when

2508
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:01,920
Speaker 2: you eat fruits and a salad.

2509
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:04,280
Speaker 1: It's way different than you eat a play a steak

2510
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:07,720
Speaker 1: and you go to sleep. You understand. So you have

2511
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:09,680
Speaker 1: to deal with reality.

2512
02:04:10,280 --> 02:04:12,200
Speaker 2: Now, you have to deal with what's going to sustain

2513
02:04:12,280 --> 02:04:14,880
Speaker 2: you and keep you alive and keep you in good

2514
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:15,920
Speaker 2: physical condition.

2515
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 3: I said, you make it what was the hardest food

2516
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:19,840
Speaker 3: to cut off by?

2517
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 1: Just the beef? Oxtail? I love pepper steak. I used

2518
02:04:23,480 --> 02:04:24,760
Speaker 1: to love pepper steak.

2519
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, oxtail, curry goat, come on, man, yeah, I

2520
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:33,480
Speaker 2: stop all of that. I might once a year, I

2521
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 2: might eat my mom's curry goat. She'll make something and

2522
02:04:36,120 --> 02:04:38,640
Speaker 2: I eat some curry goat once a year. But even

2523
02:04:38,680 --> 02:04:44,320
Speaker 2: when I do that, it's different. I feel different, smell different.

2524
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:56,160
Speaker 2: But you have to know what these things do inside

2525
02:04:56,240 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 2: your body. They stay in your body, they rot, and

2526
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:03,600
Speaker 2: that cannot be good for you or your digestive system.

2527
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:05,720
Speaker 3: I tell you, I was vegan for like eight months

2528
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:08,760
Speaker 3: to a year, and the favorite foods I ever ate

2529
02:05:08,800 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 3: when I was had that vegan expirits had always came

2530
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:14,320
Speaker 3: from the island and came from vegetarian Delight. It's a

2531
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:19,880
Speaker 3: place out here. They coconuts. Well, it's all Jamaica. It's

2532
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:25,000
Speaker 3: all seasoning, right. Seasoning determines everything. Like I love salads,

2533
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,560
Speaker 3: and you can just put whatever dressing you like. But

2534
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:31,120
Speaker 3: I love like when I say I love salad, I

2535
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:31,960
Speaker 3: love salad.

2536
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:35,000
Speaker 1: Man and fruits. Fruits is the best ship on the

2537
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:38,080
Speaker 1: earth of your kale. Guy nah kale is cool.

2538
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:42,880
Speaker 2: I put everything I like spinach, lettuce, romaine, spring mix,

2539
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:45,000
Speaker 2: and I do a little bit of food science, so

2540
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:47,200
Speaker 2: I don't do too much iceberg, lettuce and ship that

2541
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:49,520
Speaker 2: has no nutritional value.

2542
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:52,480
Speaker 3: Water.

2543
02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:56,080
Speaker 2: But for the most part, you just have to understand

2544
02:05:56,440 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 2: what you're eating and how it helps you.

2545
02:05:58,720 --> 02:05:59,880
Speaker 1: Okay, and do that.

2546
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:00,320
Speaker 5: Man.

2547
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:03,920
Speaker 2: You know I'm into you know, the ginger, turmeric, all

2548
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of shit, lemon like, I deal with natural substances.

2549
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:08,200
Speaker 3: Man.

2550
02:06:08,240 --> 02:06:10,320
Speaker 2: That's what we have to get back to, is ship

2551
02:06:10,440 --> 02:06:14,320
Speaker 2: with one ingredient. What it is You eat an orange,

2552
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:16,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's a fucking orange, you know what I'm saying.

2553
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:18,600
Speaker 3: But you eat some other ship. It got a whole

2554
02:06:18,680 --> 02:06:21,120
Speaker 3: list of ship on way too much. There you go

2555
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:23,560
Speaker 3: big up money love too. She's she's like on that too.

2556
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 3: She's Jamaican too. It's your Jamaica's with the good jeens. Yeah,

2557
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:27,840
Speaker 3: you don't get it twisted, and some Jamaicas some fucked

2558
02:06:27,880 --> 02:06:28,240
Speaker 3: up geens.

2559
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:33,240
Speaker 2: Now, it's an individual. It's how much you care for

2560
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:38,560
Speaker 2: your data, mind, your temple, and your consciousness of what

2561
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,000
Speaker 2: you are doing to yourself. It's just like me, stop.

2562
02:06:42,200 --> 02:06:45,080
Speaker 2: I stopped drinking. Yeah, I used to drink. I stopped smoking. Yeah,

2563
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:46,200
Speaker 2: I used to smoke so.

2564
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 1: And not all the time. Was I who I am?

2565
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 9: Now?

2566
02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 1: You take edibles?

2567
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 2: No, I don't even do edible because because I stopped drinking.

2568
02:06:55,840 --> 02:07:02,280
Speaker 2: Because alcohol, alcohol causes poor behavior. Alcohol is poisons. And

2569
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:06,400
Speaker 2: would you drink a whole bottle of cough medicine at once?

2570
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2571
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:12,480
Speaker 2: That has that has a that has a percent of alcohol. See,

2572
02:07:14,040 --> 02:07:17,640
Speaker 2: you also got to be mobile. You gotta a body

2573
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:20,800
Speaker 2: in motion, stays in motion, So you gotta do shit too.

2574
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:24,240
Speaker 1: I walk, I ride bikes, I swim, I do whatever

2575
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:28,240
Speaker 1: you feel me. I love the ocean. I love the ocean.

2576
02:07:28,480 --> 02:07:34,160
Speaker 2: So who you battling in versus? First of all, I

2577
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:36,600
Speaker 2: just call you right now. Say if Swiss called me,

2578
02:07:36,680 --> 02:07:39,360
Speaker 2: he got to tell me a dollar amount. Damn period.

2579
02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:43,240
Speaker 1: I need to hear about the money. I need to

2580
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:44,440
Speaker 1: hear worth.

2581
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this for TV. I don't need to

2582
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:50,640
Speaker 2: be on TV like that. I've been on TV for

2583
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:54,280
Speaker 2: thirty years. I'm not doing this just to have an

2584
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:57,800
Speaker 2: episode or some shit on TV. I'm doing this so

2585
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:00,000
Speaker 2: because I respect what y'all doing.

2586
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 1: And we appreciate that.

2587
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:07,640
Speaker 2: And you have to tell your story or else somebody

2588
02:08:07,680 --> 02:08:10,240
Speaker 2: else wanna try to tell your story. So I'm here

2589
02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:11,040
Speaker 2: to inform.

2590
02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm here to educate and let it be known. But okay,

2591
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:15,600
Speaker 1: let me just ask.

2592
02:08:16,280 --> 02:08:19,760
Speaker 3: Let's supposed Swiss call you and say, on special ad,

2593
02:08:20,120 --> 02:08:23,360
Speaker 3: I want you to pick your oppony. Who would in

2594
02:08:23,480 --> 02:08:25,400
Speaker 3: your mind? You say, all right, I'm supposed to dollar

2595
02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:28,120
Speaker 3: mint is great, right, dollar mine is great? I pick anybody.

2596
02:08:28,120 --> 02:08:30,800
Speaker 3: I don't give who would you pick them?

2597
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 2: Swiss? Do a poll, y'all, niggas, do whatever y'all want.

2598
02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:40,280
Speaker 2: Put whoever you want on that stage. Okay, yeah, I'm

2599
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:43,560
Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm gonna get them all bucks shorty. Hell yeah, Okay.

2600
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:46,800
Speaker 2: I'm versus with anybody. That's the point.

2601
02:08:47,040 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm versus with anybody.

2602
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:49,120
Speaker 2: Y'all pay me.

2603
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there.

2604
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm versus anybody who else is as I'm versus in anybody.

2605
02:08:56,560 --> 02:09:00,520
Speaker 1: Now. Daddy came win already though, No, but I'm just

2606
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,880
Speaker 1: saying for him. I just want to Granddaddy, you would

2607
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:05,840
Speaker 1: have been a good one. Granddaddy.

2608
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2609
02:09:06,920 --> 02:09:08,800
Speaker 1: Uh oh.

2610
02:09:10,560 --> 02:09:14,160
Speaker 2: Man, listen, I verse I ain't no challenge. That's the

2611
02:09:14,200 --> 02:09:15,920
Speaker 2: whole point. That's how I got where I am today

2612
02:09:15,960 --> 02:09:17,920
Speaker 2: because I ain't turned down. No, I used to walk

2613
02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:20,080
Speaker 2: down the streets of Brooklyn and just run up on

2614
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:23,760
Speaker 2: Cypher's like me, Skinny. I used to be like a

2615
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:28,200
Speaker 2: buck thirty, like skinny, little nig like I run up

2616
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:31,760
Speaker 2: on anybody and battle anybody matter of fact. When I

2617
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:35,280
Speaker 2: first got to Erasmus at first, yeah, when I first

2618
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:38,800
Speaker 2: got to Erasmus whole high school, my first week in

2619
02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:41,400
Speaker 2: high school, I looked for the nicest MC and I

2620
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,440
Speaker 2: battle him for his name.

2621
02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:46,000
Speaker 1: Damn straight for the name.

2622
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm going for the Gusto jail style mentality. We're gonna

2623
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:51,400
Speaker 2: wear the hardest way where it's at.

2624
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:52,320
Speaker 1: Okay, come on.

2625
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:56,200
Speaker 2: So that's what I did. Man, I wasn't I challenged anybody.

2626
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:58,320
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I walked down the street.

2627
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:01,280
Speaker 2: I don't give a fu how tough anybody. Look, I'm

2628
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:02,640
Speaker 2: taking titles out here.

2629
02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, you.

2630
02:10:05,240 --> 02:10:08,520
Speaker 3: A motherfucking legend. Man, I'm so glad you got to

2631
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:10,880
Speaker 3: sit down with us. Man, just let you know this

2632
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:12,880
Speaker 3: is your platform. If you want to come in here

2633
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:16,000
Speaker 3: and promote pink toenails. We don't care, like we don't

2634
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:16,240
Speaker 3: know what.

2635
02:10:18,040 --> 02:10:22,720
Speaker 2: Promoted lady, but you know we.

2636
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:24,840
Speaker 3: Want you to know, man, because you know, in our

2637
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:28,200
Speaker 3: our our genre, our music, so many people want to

2638
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:30,320
Speaker 3: say that you got ten years or more, that you know,

2639
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:33,280
Speaker 3: your old school and you're washed up. And I hate

2640
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:34,680
Speaker 3: that because you know, they.

2641
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 1: Don't have that in jazz, they don't have that in

2642
02:10:36,120 --> 02:10:37,560
Speaker 1: rock and roll, they don't have that in any other

2643
02:10:37,640 --> 02:10:38,200
Speaker 1: job space.

2644
02:10:38,440 --> 02:10:40,760
Speaker 3: They don't even have it in dance hall, you know

2645
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:41,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

2646
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:41,880
Speaker 2: They like.

2647
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,120
Speaker 3: So the fact that they have it in hip hop,

2648
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:46,600
Speaker 3: this is something to me and my partner wanted to

2649
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:48,200
Speaker 3: change from the beginning. He was just like, you know what,

2650
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:50,640
Speaker 3: if we got a platform, we want to salute the

2651
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:52,840
Speaker 3: people who's been there before us and give them their

2652
02:10:52,920 --> 02:10:55,040
Speaker 3: flowers and tell them to they face, you know what saying.

2653
02:10:55,240 --> 02:10:57,400
Speaker 3: So now everyone wants to give people flowers. Me and him,

2654
02:10:57,520 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 3: we didn't invent the phrase, but we may reinvent it.

2655
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:05,720
Speaker 3: And you are one of the people that definitely wanted

2656
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:07,720
Speaker 3: to give the flowers to because you deserve it.

2657
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:10,080
Speaker 1: You are a legend, you an icon. You continue to

2658
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:10,360
Speaker 1: do it.

2659
02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:12,840
Speaker 3: You out here monkey footing the games because you're out

2660
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:15,080
Speaker 3: here still throwing shows, doing what you gotta do. Man,

2661
02:11:15,240 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 3: I want to show you love. I appreciate it, and

2662
02:11:21,160 --> 02:11:23,040
Speaker 3: I forgot to ask what you got going coming up

2663
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 3: besides the shows? You got anything else coming up?

2664
02:11:26,080 --> 02:11:28,720
Speaker 2: Well, more shows I'm doing. We're going out to Chicago.

2665
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:31,240
Speaker 2: What I've been doing is this stop the violence movement?

2666
02:11:31,320 --> 02:11:31,800
Speaker 3: You feel me?

2667
02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:38,640
Speaker 2: Shortly after pnb Rock got killed, Corrupt called me and

2668
02:11:39,240 --> 02:11:41,160
Speaker 2: he was like, yo, man, we need to you know,

2669
02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 2: do something about this. We need to unify because he

2670
02:11:44,520 --> 02:11:47,840
Speaker 2: always called me for enlightenment. You know what I'm saying,

2671
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:51,360
Speaker 2: that's a big bro. And I agreed, and I said,

2672
02:11:51,400 --> 02:11:53,920
Speaker 2: you know what, let me see what we can do

2673
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:58,400
Speaker 2: to make all of this happen. And we started bringing

2674
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:02,960
Speaker 2: everybody together on these calls for to Stop the Violence movement.

2675
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:05,680
Speaker 1: And that's a part of my mission.

2676
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:09,800
Speaker 2: What I'm out here to do is just utilize all

2677
02:12:09,880 --> 02:12:14,280
Speaker 2: of our resources and our influence to help these youths

2678
02:12:14,520 --> 02:12:19,000
Speaker 2: redirect their energies because their energies is up.

2679
02:12:18,920 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 1: In the air.

2680
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:19,600
Speaker 3: Man.

2681
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:24,000
Speaker 2: It's getting very negative and very very very hectic out

2682
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 2: there for kids. These is our children, man, These is

2683
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:33,080
Speaker 2: like teenagers. We can't let them destroy themselves. So that's

2684
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:37,080
Speaker 2: my mission. So I'm going around everywhere and I'm talking

2685
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:41,280
Speaker 2: to all the kids I can, all ages, and just

2686
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:44,560
Speaker 2: letting them know and based on giving them my life's

2687
02:12:44,640 --> 02:12:47,840
Speaker 2: experience what I had to go through, you know, from

2688
02:12:48,160 --> 02:12:51,280
Speaker 2: a child till now, and showing them as an example

2689
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:54,480
Speaker 2: of you can be successful. You don't have to compromise

2690
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:57,720
Speaker 2: your integrity. You don't have to go follow the crowd.

2691
02:12:57,880 --> 02:13:01,160
Speaker 2: You don't have to you know, follow the gang mentality

2692
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:05,520
Speaker 2: if it's not positive, because there are organizations that are

2693
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:11,680
Speaker 2: positive and have changed how they approach that whole gang

2694
02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 2: quote unquote mentality. So we turning, were turning everything into

2695
02:13:18,120 --> 02:13:20,880
Speaker 2: a positive right now. That's my whole goal. I ain't

2696
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,680
Speaker 2: in no competition. I don't care about the record industry.

2697
02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:25,480
Speaker 2: It's done enough.

2698
02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:28,040
Speaker 1: What did you get to that level where you were

2699
02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:30,280
Speaker 1: just like, you know a few years.

2700
02:13:30,040 --> 02:13:33,920
Speaker 2: Ago, it's been some years now. I just see everybody

2701
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:36,720
Speaker 2: like it's like a rat race. I see what they

2702
02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:40,320
Speaker 2: do for money. I see how they use and abuse artists,

2703
02:13:40,880 --> 02:13:45,320
Speaker 2: and how they just undermine people's value and.

2704
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:48,880
Speaker 1: The work that they put in.

2705
02:13:49,520 --> 02:13:52,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, it's like shit going back

2706
02:13:52,160 --> 02:13:57,160
Speaker 2: and forth with og artists, pitting them against newer artists

2707
02:13:57,200 --> 02:13:59,520
Speaker 2: and doing all kinds of dumb shit like this is

2708
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:02,320
Speaker 2: not a petition in that sense. I think we need

2709
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:07,040
Speaker 2: to bring it back to something more, more more pure,

2710
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:12,000
Speaker 2: man more organic, and stop stop trying to create rivalry

2711
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:12,840
Speaker 2: all the time.

2712
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:16,880
Speaker 3: I remember me looking up to artists that came before me.

2713
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:19,240
Speaker 3: Do you think these new artists they lost that?

2714
02:14:19,960 --> 02:14:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think they lost it because we're not going

2715
02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:25,640
Speaker 2: back out there and speaking to them and engaging and

2716
02:14:25,800 --> 02:14:29,000
Speaker 2: teaching them. But I do. That's my whole point in

2717
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:33,600
Speaker 2: my purpose is what I'm doing with my organization special

2718
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:36,760
Speaker 2: at Arts and Literacy SEAL, And that's my whole mission

2719
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:40,360
Speaker 2: right now. I don't care about the music game and

2720
02:14:40,440 --> 02:14:43,720
Speaker 2: the industry because I know what it comprises, what it

2721
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:44,560
Speaker 2: consists of.

2722
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:49,280
Speaker 1: It's it's a road to destruction for most. So I

2723
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:50,760
Speaker 1: ain't even worried about that no more.

2724
02:14:50,760 --> 02:14:55,200
Speaker 2: I'm worried about how do I change the minds of

2725
02:14:55,360 --> 02:15:00,040
Speaker 2: these children so that they don't destroy themselves. You you

2726
02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:04,000
Speaker 2: don't have to die to be famous. You understand, you

2727
02:15:04,120 --> 02:15:06,080
Speaker 2: don't have to die to be famous.

2728
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:07,720
Speaker 3: Or get hurt or get hurt, because that's what a

2729
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:09,520
Speaker 3: lot of people are doing now too. They're getting hurt

2730
02:15:09,560 --> 02:15:12,240
Speaker 3: and then it's like it's a vived or stabbing or

2731
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:12,720
Speaker 3: something like that.

2732
02:15:13,120 --> 02:15:17,240
Speaker 2: Right, And it's the mentality. It's like they're going out here.

2733
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:21,720
Speaker 2: They've taken stunting to a whole other level, and then

2734
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:26,560
Speaker 2: they're endangering themselves and then they have to arm themselves,

2735
02:15:26,920 --> 02:15:30,120
Speaker 2: which is causing more gun violence. You feel me, and

2736
02:15:30,200 --> 02:15:32,560
Speaker 2: then they get their feelings hurt, and then they want

2737
02:15:32,600 --> 02:15:35,240
Speaker 2: to pull the gun out because they feelings is hurt.

2738
02:15:35,400 --> 02:15:38,240
Speaker 1: You understand, that's not what this is based on.

2739
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:42,600
Speaker 2: You use a firearm to protect yourself, to protect your life,

2740
02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:46,960
Speaker 2: not to go and threaten or endanger or take someone

2741
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:49,880
Speaker 2: else's life or rob somebody. That's not what you use

2742
02:15:49,960 --> 02:15:52,760
Speaker 2: a firearm for. You know what I'm saying. That's called crime.

2743
02:15:52,840 --> 02:15:56,520
Speaker 2: That's criminal. You feel me, and we don't want them

2744
02:15:56,640 --> 02:15:59,440
Speaker 2: to believe that that's what they need to be out

2745
02:15:59,480 --> 02:15:59,920
Speaker 2: there doing.

2746
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:00,280
Speaker 4: No.

2747
02:16:01,080 --> 02:16:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean shit, I've had a fire on my entire life.

2748
02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:07,040
Speaker 2: I never accostant or threatened anybody with it. You know

2749
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:09,720
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's for me to defend myself and

2750
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:13,240
Speaker 2: my family and what I have, my possessions. I'm not

2751
02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:16,800
Speaker 2: out here flashing. I've had a file since I was

2752
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:21,400
Speaker 2: a teen, before I made records. You understand me, before

2753
02:16:21,480 --> 02:16:24,080
Speaker 2: I before the age of fifteen, I had a fire

2754
02:16:24,240 --> 02:16:26,840
Speaker 2: arm and I never had to pull it out and

2755
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:31,520
Speaker 2: flass it. Not legally, nah, but now it's legal. Ever

2756
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:34,400
Speaker 2: since I became of legal age and got into a

2757
02:16:34,480 --> 02:16:38,400
Speaker 2: legal situation where I could do it legally. We're good,

2758
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 2: you feel me? And that's a right, that's our that's

2759
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:47,000
Speaker 2: our rights as what they call this citizens. Here we go,

2760
02:16:47,520 --> 02:16:49,840
Speaker 2: this is my right as a citizen. I'm just exercising

2761
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:56,480
Speaker 2: my right. So yeah, so and responsibly not to intimidate

2762
02:16:56,600 --> 02:16:57,560
Speaker 2: or harm anybody.

2763
02:16:58,320 --> 02:17:01,680
Speaker 1: And that's the thing they out here, trying to intimidate and.

2764
02:17:01,720 --> 02:17:04,840
Speaker 2: Harm people and broadcasting it and broadcast Yeah, and that's

2765
02:17:04,879 --> 02:17:05,640
Speaker 2: not what we want.

2766
02:17:05,720 --> 02:17:07,560
Speaker 1: That's not what we own, you know what I'm saying.

2767
02:17:07,640 --> 02:17:10,080
Speaker 2: We want to just teach the kids better from a

2768
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:14,119
Speaker 2: young age so that they don't grow into because once

2769
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:17,360
Speaker 2: they become a teenager and they mindset and they ready

2770
02:17:17,400 --> 02:17:19,600
Speaker 2: to go, they ready to go to so so I

2771
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:21,279
Speaker 2: try to get them a little earlier.

2772
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:23,720
Speaker 1: And even with the teens, I talk to them too.

2773
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:26,560
Speaker 2: But once they gone and they you know, clap that

2774
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:29,680
Speaker 2: thing a few times, they get that energy, Yeah, they

2775
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:30,480
Speaker 2: go to their heads.

2776
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:31,840
Speaker 1: So we got to stop that.

2777
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:35,119
Speaker 2: We got to prevent that, you know, and the one

2778
02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:36,920
Speaker 2: thing I can say, and the one thing I would

2779
02:17:36,959 --> 02:17:39,760
Speaker 2: love to say, please, And I would say to all

2780
02:17:39,800 --> 02:17:45,840
Speaker 2: the youth out there, all you thugs, have you ever

2781
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:50,160
Speaker 2: pointed your gun at someone else other than your own

2782
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:51,600
Speaker 2: brother or sister?

2783
02:17:52,840 --> 02:17:54,920
Speaker 1: Have you ever ever?

2784
02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:00,560
Speaker 2: No, I don't see you pointed at anyone else except yourselves.

2785
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,280
Speaker 2: You might as well point it in the mirror, you

2786
02:18:03,400 --> 02:18:08,080
Speaker 2: feel me, because you're only killing yourselves. You're not standing

2787
02:18:08,160 --> 02:18:12,760
Speaker 2: up for yourselves against the real oppressors, against the real

2788
02:18:12,920 --> 02:18:16,120
Speaker 2: people that are really oppressing you and taking from you

2789
02:18:16,400 --> 02:18:20,520
Speaker 2: and causing you to be in poverty. And in these conditions,

2790
02:18:21,480 --> 02:18:25,119
Speaker 2: you're not pointing a gun at them. You pointed at

2791
02:18:25,160 --> 02:18:29,879
Speaker 2: your own family. Don't point your gun in no mellenated people.

2792
02:18:31,400 --> 02:18:35,959
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. Stop pointing your guns at melaninated people.

2793
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:41,080
Speaker 2: That's like killing yourself, and don't. I don't want you

2794
02:18:41,200 --> 02:18:43,199
Speaker 2: killing yourself, right.

2795
02:18:49,400 --> 02:18:51,879
Speaker 1: Damn, man, that was that was hard. I don't even know.

2796
02:18:55,440 --> 02:18:55,560
Speaker 5: Yo.

2797
02:18:55,720 --> 02:18:58,480
Speaker 3: Man once again, especial that man. We appreciate you mas

2798
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:01,160
Speaker 3: coming through man. Like I said, this is your house, man,

2799
02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:03,359
Speaker 3: anytime you want to come and promote it. Man, I appreciate,

2800
02:19:03,640 --> 02:19:07,120
Speaker 3: we appreciate, we appreciate you showing uh the ogs that

2801
02:19:07,160 --> 02:19:10,560
Speaker 3: you can actually still maintain into this this environment. And

2802
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:16,320
Speaker 3: I really want to respect your company because that's what

2803
02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:17,800
Speaker 3: artists should be taking care of artists.

2804
02:19:17,800 --> 02:19:19,000
Speaker 1: From the beginning, I knew that.

2805
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:20,960
Speaker 3: I didn't know that you actually had a company that

2806
02:19:21,160 --> 02:19:25,039
Speaker 3: was catering to towards that. So I knew that from

2807
02:19:25,080 --> 02:19:28,160
Speaker 3: from from from the first person, I was like, Yo,

2808
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:30,760
Speaker 3: he kind of like did everything everything I asked for,

2809
02:19:30,959 --> 02:19:31,800
Speaker 3: Like he already did it.

2810
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:33,680
Speaker 1: So I love that man.

2811
02:19:33,720 --> 02:19:36,400
Speaker 3: I just want to continue to support you. Get all

2812
02:19:36,480 --> 02:19:43,959
Speaker 3: bless this man. Like I said, give you your flowers,

2813
02:19:44,040 --> 02:19:44,480
Speaker 3: my brother.

2814
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:46,760
Speaker 1: Dave Man, I appreciate it. Got that flowers.

2815
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:47,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

2816
02:19:48,879 --> 02:19:52,680
Speaker 5: Drink Champs is a drink Champs LLC production and association

2817
02:19:52,840 --> 02:19:57,160
Speaker 5: with Interval Presents hosts and executive producers n O r

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02:19:57,240 --> 02:20:00,879
Speaker 5: E and d j E f N from Interval Presents

2819
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:04,320
Speaker 5: executive producers Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg.

2820
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:05,800
Speaker 1: Listen to Drink.

2821
02:20:05,680 --> 02:20:09,960
Speaker 5: Champs on Apple Podcast, Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you

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02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:13,879
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