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Speaker 1: dot com the Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest edition

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Speaker 1: of the Giants Huddle podcast. John Smoke with you today's

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Speaker 1: guest Matt meta Charian, who runs the football out it

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Speaker 1: over at Sports Information Solutions. But first want to remind

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Speaker 1: I don't know your favorite podcast platforms. And now we're

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Speaker 1: joined by our guest. He has Matt Matti Cherion again.

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Speaker 1: He is the head of the football operations side over

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Speaker 1: at Sports Information Solutions. There brand new draft guy, the

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Speaker 1: s I S Football Rookie Handbook. Look at the thickness, folks,

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Speaker 1: This thing serious. We'll talk about how you find it

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Speaker 1: later on in the show. But Matt a great book.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the great resources that that I like

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Speaker 1: to look at every year for the draft. Tell the

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Speaker 1: folks how you put it together and what your process

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Speaker 1: is like combining your scatting background. Was also the analytics

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Speaker 1: that you guys use over at s I S. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you, John, I appreciate you asking that. Really, um,

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Speaker 1: everything comes back to the football. So my background, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, is as a scout, and what you get

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Speaker 1: in the s I S Football Rookie Handbook is a

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Speaker 1: combination of everything from the scouting side exactly as we

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Speaker 1: did it in the NFL, along with kind of this

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Speaker 1: new school analytics stuff that we're doing, So you get

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Speaker 1: that for every player. So it starts off with the

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Speaker 1: scouting report. My background is with the Saints where we

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Speaker 1: did an old school round based grading system, and then

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Speaker 1: I spend time with the Browns where we use the

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Speaker 1: Patriots way, which is more of a role based grading system.

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Speaker 1: What is this player going to be on our team?

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Speaker 1: And what you get in in the book is over

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Speaker 1: the course of the year, as we're doing our whole

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Speaker 1: charting operation, which we're using on the analytic side of things, right,

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Speaker 1: we're charting all the different things that are going on

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Speaker 1: in each of these football games, a hundred thirty teams

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Speaker 1: off the around the FBS UM basically all of college football.

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Speaker 1: As we're charting that, we're also going through scout school.

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Speaker 1: So myself, Nathan Cooper, John Todd, the guys that helped

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Speaker 1: run the football operation over at s I S. We

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Speaker 1: teach every every week. We calibrate the scale every year,

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Speaker 1: and we make sure that all of our scouts know

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Speaker 1: what we're looking for specifically at every position, so that

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Speaker 1: when we great critical factors, positional factors, what's the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: ability to break tackles like, So that we're on the

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Speaker 1: same page about every trait that we're grading. We build

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Speaker 1: up the scouts school process over seven reports go into

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Speaker 1: the book and he comes out with the three players

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Speaker 1: that graded out the best based on our grading scale.

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Speaker 1: And then, like I mentioned, side by side, you get

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Speaker 1: all the analytical breakdowns, the stuff that really is our

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Speaker 1: bread and butter at Sports Info Solutions, what we're known for,

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Speaker 1: what the teams pay us for, where you get all

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Speaker 1: kinds of never before seen statistics that that really helped

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Speaker 1: illuminate not just you know a lot of NFL a

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Speaker 1: lot of football statistics. Historically, yards, touchdowns, interceptions, they're very limited.

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Speaker 1: again and go check it out. We'll talk about him

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Speaker 1: more at the end of the show. So, Matt, I

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Speaker 1: guess we should start here. The Giants. They've been very

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Speaker 1: clear in their offseason discussions with the media, Dave Gentleman,

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Speaker 1: little bit different. You do not have Jamaar Chase at

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Speaker 1: great compliment. What you get with DeVante Smith is just smooth, smooth, smooth.

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Speaker 1: dot com slash suites for more information. All right, Matt,

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Speaker 1: let's move over to the offensive line here, and folks,

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Speaker 1: just you understand Matt and I are recording this at

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Speaker 1: the end of the week prior to the start of

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Speaker 1: free agency. We basically just found out the Giants let

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Speaker 1: go of Kevin Zeitler. Um I didn't want to do

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Speaker 1: a free agency podcast at the start of fregency on Monday,

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Speaker 1: Biss Frankly, things can change hour to hour and by

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Speaker 1: the time the podcast is up, you're gonna have something happened.

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Speaker 1: So we figured do draft to start the week. But Matt,

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Speaker 1: now the Giants might be in need of an offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman here. They got a lot of young guys from

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Speaker 1: last year Shane Lemieu, Matt Peart, Andrew Thomas. Nick Gates

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Speaker 1: was really a first year center playing that position, So

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Speaker 1: maybe they want to add another offensive lineman for competition

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Speaker 1: or a starter. You guys have penn A Sue was

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Speaker 1: one of your highest graded players in this draft class. Uh,

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Speaker 1: odds are and you can stop me really quickly. You

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Speaker 1: don't think he's making it to eleven with the giohnts

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Speaker 1: are picking right? No, I don't think. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you've got a chance at him at eleven. I'd be shocked. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's move past him. Then let's go to the

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Speaker 1: next guy. That's Rashaan Slater. And you watch his tape

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Speaker 1: from from it looks impressive. His arms measured at thirty

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Speaker 1: three is exactly a little bit short for a tackle.

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Speaker 1: But you guys do think he can play that position? Right?

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Speaker 1: Is he a guy that really, just from a grading

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Speaker 1: talent perspective, could be an option for the Giants at

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Speaker 1: eleventh overall. Yeah, absolutely, I think that's a that's probably

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Speaker 1: where he fits in right around that range of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Reshawn Slater is a really interesting prospect because you're talking

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Speaker 1: about a guy that that has the physical traits that

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Speaker 1: you look for, but also really a good athlete, really

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Speaker 1: somebody that UM has that sort of dancing bear persona,

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Speaker 1: UM that you look for, somebody who plays intelligently, takes

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Speaker 1: good at angles. UM. He's got strong hands, strong upper

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Speaker 1: bodies so that he can control other players. You see

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Speaker 1: the ability to flex the flexibility and his lower body.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of what his game is. UM.

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Speaker 1: Not the prototypical left tackle arm length, Anthony Munio's whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about as far as that goes.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I know what, Andrew Thomas had his

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Speaker 1: ups and downs throughout the year last year, but we

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Speaker 1: absolutely love Andrew Thomas coming out, and I think as

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Speaker 1: the year went on he started to settle in a

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Speaker 1: little bit. For sure. I think if you've got a

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Speaker 1: Reshawn Slater in here to compliment him at a right tackle,

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Speaker 1: now you're talking about book ends. You know, you're talking

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Speaker 1: about ten year bookends and really having uh setting yourself

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Speaker 1: up well. So I would love him with that pick there.

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Speaker 1: I know I talked about those war receivers, but I think, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, your sense that he could be an interesting

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Speaker 1: player there for the Giants is absolutely right. And he

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Speaker 1: would have met Parrot hits it right, tackle right, and

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Speaker 1: he he hits his ceiling all is, everything works out,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're staring at probably at

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Speaker 1: all pro guard with Slater too, right, if we move

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Speaker 1: them inside, Yeah, absolutely, I think you've got positional versatility.

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Speaker 1: I think with with Um, with with Slater, you look

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Speaker 1: at somebody who, uh, you could make an argument that

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Speaker 1: he fits better on the inside. I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: the person that I would personally say that. I think

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Speaker 1: i'd want his athleticism on the outside. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the arm link becomes less of an issue the more

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Speaker 1: you move inside, and he's he seems he's kind of

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Speaker 1: one of these five position offensive lineman. Uh Pugh, who

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Speaker 1: the Giants drafted a few years ago, several years ago,

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Speaker 1: was probably a guy that fit better on the inside

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Speaker 1: than the outside, even though he was he was drafted

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Speaker 1: with a vision to play tackle. Um could be similar

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Speaker 1: in that regard because similar traits in terms of the athleticism,

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Speaker 1: but maybe the lack of length there. Um, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: rule it out one bit. See, I love it when

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Speaker 1: when Scotts have different opinions on guys and it shows

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Speaker 1: that you guys are doing your own work and doing

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Speaker 1: a different type of work because you come to different conclusions.

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Speaker 1: And this next group of tackles after those two I

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Speaker 1: find it really interesting because you have a couple of

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Speaker 1: guys that some people have graded as the next group

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Speaker 1: of tackles. You think they're guards, guys like Kevin Jenkins

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Speaker 1: and Alex Leatherwood, even Deante Smith, A lot of people

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Speaker 1: think there's a tackle you guys have him as a guard.

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Speaker 1: Just take me through that next group of offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: if the Giants do want to try to snag someone

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Speaker 1: at around that spot at forty two in the second round. Right,

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned a few of those guys, and Leatherwood

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Speaker 1: in particular was a guy that we went back and

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Speaker 1: forth on. Um, he he has He's a guy that's

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Speaker 1: played tackle, uh for Alabama. So it's it's an easy

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Speaker 1: year projection to say what is the guy played and

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Speaker 1: what's he gonna be. But when you look at the

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Speaker 1: athletic traits, you look at some of the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: performance going against some of the best players and the

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Speaker 1: best competition, and there was there was a pretty good

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Speaker 1: cause for concern when it came to can this guy

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Speaker 1: be an ideal starter on the outside on the NFL level?

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Speaker 1: And what we came to in that regard was that

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Speaker 1: he's probably not ideally suited to be a starting level

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Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL, but absolutely you kick him inside

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Speaker 1: to guard, and we do think that he's got that

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Speaker 1: starting level ability. So um the traits that you look for.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes people just say does he have the

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Speaker 1: length or does he not have the length? And they'll

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Speaker 1: group in these guys based on if they're long and athletic,

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Speaker 1: put him at tackle. If they're a little bit stockier, right,

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Speaker 1: more of the road greater type, we're gonna move him

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Speaker 1: inside to guard. It's not that simple. It takes a

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Speaker 1: special kind of athlete to play on the inside because

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Speaker 1: things move faster in there. But that actually, when you

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Speaker 1: look at Leatherwood is where I think he projects well.

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Speaker 1: I think when he gets outside into those wide spaces,

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Speaker 1: you start to see his physical limitations show up. The

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Speaker 1: mental processing is really there when you look at the leatherwood.

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Speaker 1: So I think the ability to um pass things off,

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Speaker 1: deal with stunts, all of that sort of stuff, and

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Speaker 1: set a good anchor on the inside, he's better suited

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Speaker 1: for that sort of thing. And and you could say

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Speaker 1: that about those other guys that we projected to kick

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Speaker 1: inside as well. Interesting. How about a second round either

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Speaker 1: guard tackle Lendon Dickerson's I think it's an interesting guy.

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Speaker 1: There's a huge injury red flags with him, any else

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Speaker 1: anyone else that you guys really have focused on in

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Speaker 1: that you know, forty area in the second round that

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Speaker 1: you think could be a really good offensive line value

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Speaker 1: for the Giants and multi position flexibility, which I know

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Speaker 1: is a big thing for you guys in general. It

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Speaker 1: would also help in that regard, I think too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Elijah Barrett Tucker is the guy that comes to mind

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Speaker 1: right off the bat, especially when you start to mention versatility.

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Speaker 1: So he's at the six point eight grade level. Um,

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Speaker 1: we were not in the prediction game of where guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna get taken. But if he goes in the

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Speaker 1: first round, okay, bless him. If he's there for the

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Speaker 1: Giants in the second round. He's somebody that I would

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Speaker 1: be salivating over out of USC. Talk about versatility. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you talk about awareness, like we were just saying a

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Speaker 1: minute ago. Somebody that that jumps out on the film

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Speaker 1: the football intelligence with him. Um, he's got the versatility.

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Speaker 1: So you think again, another guy that can be really

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Speaker 1: a five position player on the offensive front. Um, he's

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Speaker 1: fitting well in the USC scheme. Um. An athletic guy,

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Speaker 1: guy with great body control. Uh, somebody that if he's

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Speaker 1: still available there he jumps off as a as a

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Speaker 1: guy that I'd be excited about. And Dickerson is a

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Speaker 1: really good player, right as long as he's healthy. Landon Dickerson.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. When we looked at Dickerson, Um, we

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Speaker 1: we grade these players based on their their talent levels.

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Speaker 1: So we we grade them based on how we see them.

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Speaker 1: We try not to involve the the the injury aspect

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Speaker 1: into it too much. That's got to be a concern

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Speaker 1: when you talk about him. Um, but I mean leave

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Speaker 1: that to the doctors. In terms of the play on

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Speaker 1: the field. Absolutely, a guy again, talk about versatility, somebody

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Speaker 1: that that can probably play multiple positions for you. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go to the defensive side of the ball. I'll

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Speaker 1: leave the two big needs for second and the third here.

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Speaker 1: But another guy that you are a bit of an

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Speaker 1: outlier on and I love it. I want to know why,

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. You think him he's more of a will

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Speaker 1: than a Mike, which I know is different from some people.

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Speaker 1: And you also don't even have him as your top

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Speaker 1: will linebacker. Tell me why so? I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: a decent grade on him. Um, we think he's we

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Speaker 1: think he's a good player. It's probably a combination of

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Speaker 1: us being a little bit higher on some other players

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Speaker 1: and and that happens with us. UM. I'm pulling up

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Speaker 1: I'm pulling up our reports right now to look at

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Speaker 1: the guys that we have rated above him, just just

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Speaker 1: to jobs of my memory. So above him, Uh, you

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Speaker 1: look at Jeremiah Wilson Karamoa out of Notre Dame. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's the type of player that we think of as

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Speaker 1: as potentially, um, the future of the will linebacker position,

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Speaker 1: one of these true overhang defenders who when you look

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Speaker 1: at the way that football is going these days and

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Speaker 1: the way that that uh college football is trickling into

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Speaker 1: the NFL, the sort of player with the versatility that

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Speaker 1: he possesses. Somebody that we really love, uh, Dylan Moses,

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Speaker 1: I wrote the report on I'm way high on him

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Speaker 1: compared to a lot of other people. He played injured

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Speaker 1: last year at Alabama and um was not at his

608
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Speaker 1: at his full strength and speed. But when you talk

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Speaker 1: about a player that can play in the box, can

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Speaker 1: play in the slot, can play any position if he

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Speaker 1: can get to his full his full range of athleticism

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Speaker 1: from before his injury, UH, that that's a scary type

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Speaker 1: of player right there. Um. In terms of Parsons, it's

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Speaker 1: not to say that that we uh dislike Parsons. We're

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Speaker 1: a little bit less enamored though, with guys that do

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Speaker 1: more of their work in the box rather than on

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Speaker 1: the back end. And we got concerned about the past

618
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Speaker 1: coverage ability. So I don't want to criticize him and

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Speaker 1: make it out like we gave him a bad grade.

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Speaker 1: We think he's a bad player. A six seven final

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Speaker 1: grade is an indication that we think you're a starting

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Speaker 1: level player in the NFL, and not just a starter,

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Speaker 1: but it started level on a Super Bowl level team, right,

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Speaker 1: a starting level player. So he's a guy that you

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Speaker 1: have to circle for his play speed, his range, his

626
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Speaker 1: ability to do all those things in the run game

627
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Speaker 1: that you look for, but barely saw him play man

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Speaker 1: coverage at Penn State and in zone coverage. He was

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Speaker 1: not a guy that stood out as being a real

630
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Speaker 1: plus defender. So if you're not a plus player in

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Speaker 1: the past game, it's it's hard for us to give

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Speaker 1: you that that transcendent level grade. He's right there though,

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Speaker 1: amongst the top wheels. Though. I'm not gonna lie, but

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Speaker 1: you would maybe put a little pause bond on Hid

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Speaker 1: as high as eleven simply because and again you're right,

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Speaker 1: it's a passing leading of you can't cover. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think picking in the top fifteen, if you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna help pass defense, then that might not that might

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Speaker 1: be a little bit too rich, right, Yep, it's rich

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Speaker 1: for me. Um. You know. Uh here I was a

641
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Speaker 1: year ago saying that that the Giants were too high

642
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: on Blake Martinez, and I wasn't a big believer on

643
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: what he could do either. Blake Martinez outplayed my expectations

644
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: this past year. So, uh, you never know how how

645
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna perform until you you unwrap the gifts and

646
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: you and you get to see how they play on

647
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: the field. But for me, eleven would be rich. All right,

648
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: let's let's let's go to cornerback man. And I think

649
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: there are some guys at cornerback that maybe wouldn't be

650
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: too wretch at number eleven. Right. Oh, I mean there's

651
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: one guy that that I think of right away, Um,

652
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: And and that's Patrick Setan junior, junior, the second whatever

653
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: you want to call him that guy for me, Um,

654
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up watching his father, Patrick Sutan Senor.

655
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: And I'm probably biased in my Evail EVL because of

656
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: of the type of player that he was and what

657
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: he was able to produce. But this is a guy

658
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: that when you watch him on film, he reminds you

659
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: of his father in so many ways because Patrick stan

660
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: Senior was not a high draft pick because he was

661
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: not a four three guy, and he was more of

662
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: a technician and more of a guy that got by

663
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: with physicality and instincts and intelligence and versatility. And uh,

664
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: this is the second coming if I've ever seen it. Um,

665
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: he's been somebody that's played for three years at Alabama,

666
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: true third year junior been been a key part of

667
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: their secondary the entire time people are afraid to throw

668
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: at him. Um, he did give up some production. You know,

669
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: if you look into his charting stats over over the

670
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: last year, there were times when they threw in his

671
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: direction and they were able to get some production. But

672
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: what you're talking about here is uh production. That's similar

673
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: to when you would say Belichick would put his uh,

674
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: his his best corner on the solo side of the

675
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: field and give double coverage on the other side to

676
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: his That's what Certana has been a lot in the

677
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: in the Alabama defense. So he's a guy he performs well,

678
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: and man performs well in zone. You know exactly what

679
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: you're getting from a professionalism standpoint. Not gonna run the

680
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: four three, um, But also we're not gonna hold that

681
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: against him like we did his father, because um we

682
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: we learned our lesson the first time. Hopefully, so I'd

683
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: be excited about him at number eleven. Allow me to

684
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: slobber over Caleb Farley for a second. I have not

685
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: seen a cornerback on tape, Matt that gets beat over

686
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: the top, fucking up the distance that he gets that

687
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: the receiver gets separation on him. His closing speed is

688
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: off the charts. If he can get that technical stuff

689
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: worked out, and who knows what he's been doing the

690
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: last year. He obviously opted out in the season. Is

691
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: he the guy that you think might have the highest

692
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: ceiling because of his raw physical tools? Yeah, I mean

693
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: physically speaking, you're absolutely right. Uh size, speed and and

694
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: and not just uh you know, time speed metrics like that.

695
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Like you said, there are times where he got beat.

696
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: There are times we got turned around. There were times

697
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: where where he was out of position. And we're going

698
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: back from film from his from his true his red

699
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: shirt sophomore year. Um, so this isn't exactly him looking

700
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: at him and comparing apples to apples when we compare

701
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: them the guys that played in but um, when he

702
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: got into those situations, the ability to get himself out

703
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: of jams, the looseness of his hips. Um, that's something

704
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: that you constantly come back to. And you're evaluating corners

705
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: because guys that are typing in the hips, even if

706
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: you can run in a straight line, you're not gonna

707
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: be able to stay with people. Um. You love the

708
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: play speed and the reactive athleticism that that Farley Bank

709
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: brings to the table. You mentioned what the cons are,

710
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: but um, upside wise absolutely how close do you have J. C.

711
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: Horne to those two guys? And then just to follow up,

712
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: how schemes specific are all three of those guys or

713
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: can't each guy do a little bit of everything? Yep,

714
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: we've got J. C. Horne tied in terms of grades

715
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: with Caleb Farley, so certains our number one rated guy.

716
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: We've got a pro Bowl level grade on him. Um,

717
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: we think that he's his scheme versatility is really what

718
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: sets him apart. Um j C. Horne. You talk about him,

719
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: you talk about a guy with great productivity at rating

720
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: in coverage this past year in terms of total points rating. So, um,

721
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely special in that regard. Prefer him in

722
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: a press man scheme. That's where he really stands is

723
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: out that's where he's really been productive. No NFL team

724
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: is gonna mind that whatsoever. Um. If you can get

725
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: guys that can do it, um, you're all about it.

726
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: He's just got that physicality, Um Farley I think. Um

727
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: also you look at as somebody that is probably a

728
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: little bit better suited to play man than play zone.

729
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: Right off the bat, He's a little bit more uh

730
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: C ball, get ball, Um And you don't want to

731
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: complicate things too much. Maybe right off the bat, but

732
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: again I've seen too many times that that you take

733
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: the projection and you think one thing based on the

734
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: scheme that you're playing in in college, and all of

735
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: a sudden you give them different coaching. And these guys

736
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: are a whole different animals. So until you can really,

737
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, get them up on the board and understand

738
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: what they're understanding is of the different schemes. Um. You know,

739
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Steve Spagnolo had a way of being able to take

740
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: things for um. He could he could have an idiot

741
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: corner and be able to teach him how to play

742
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: like a genius. Um And that that's what was special

743
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: about SPADs. But still special about Spags to me, with

744
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: these guys sometimes taking what they've been in college and

745
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: the way they're used, there can be holes in terms

746
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: of being able to project that out. Yeah, no question

747
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: about it. How long can you wait, Matt if you're

748
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: looking for a true outside cornerback that can step in

749
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: and help you right away, does it have to be

750
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: round two or can you maybe squeeze one out and

751
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: then on the top of a round three? I don't

752
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: think you can wait until round three. One bit. You know,

753
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: you can get lucky, you can find a zone corner

754
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: if you're gonna play a lot of cloud with somebody

755
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: and be able to put him in situations to be successful.

756
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: But if you're looking for somebody that that's really gonna

757
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: be able to be a number one, two or three corner,

758
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: you gotta go get him fair enough edge rusher. This

759
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: is a fascinating group to me. First question, I'll ask

760
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: anybody in this group at edge in your opinion a

761
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: top fifteen player in the class. Um, if it's anybody,

762
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: it's Jaileen Phillips out of Miami. He's agreed. Guy, Um

763
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: would be a little bit rich for me there. Um

764
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: he's we've got an injury flag on him as well.

765
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: But um, he's somebody that we think is a good

766
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: starting level player kind of across the board, excellent size,

767
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: got the prototypical kind of left defensive end type of ability.

768
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: So somebody that I scouted in the past when I

769
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: was with New Orleans was Cam Jordan's coming out. And

770
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: that was really the thing that that it was about

771
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: him was he wasn't gonna be that freak edge rusher

772
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: that you looked at as an ideal weak side right

773
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: defensive end. This is somebody that's more going to fit

774
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: in on the left side, play over the tight end,

775
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: be able to dominate the tight end, have length and

776
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: strength to set the edge, and then also be a

777
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: good pass rusher. But probably not a perennial double digit

778
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: guy anything like that. So if you can, if you

779
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: can adjust your your level of expectation. We do think

780
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: he's got an excellent ability to bend. And another guy

781
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: total points rating this uh this past season, so uh,

782
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: he's a really good player right there. Um, he'd be

783
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: the first one I'd take off the board, but I'd

784
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: hesitate with him or with with really anybody else to

785
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: to say a number you know up pop that high

786
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: that I'd be all about him. And that's why I

787
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: think the second round is an interesting landing spot for

788
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: some of these edge guys. You know, Matt people overdraft

789
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: edge players because the position value so high, right and

790
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: every one of these guys I'm gonna list here as

791
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: these oil smaller guy didn't play every down, Quitty Pay

792
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: did not have a lot of production, only played five

793
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: games this year. Jason Oway's gonna at a four three nine,

794
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: but the dude at zero sacks. Gregy Russel opted out

795
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: big specimen but doesn't get off the line. Well, got

796
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 1: a lot of his sacks playing inside not outside. Karlos

797
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Basham is a two pound defensive end. I mean these

798
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: are guys are all you know, there's something that you

799
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: can have a legitimate question about. Is this really a

800
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: boomer bust next group of guys where you're gonna have

801
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: one or two maybe really hit, but then the other

802
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: guys it just might not work out. Yeah. I mean

803
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: the guy that comes to mind you're talking about it

804
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 1: is is Greg Russo. Um. Greg Russo just all kinds

805
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: of every physical attribute that you can imagine. Um, but

806
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: the ability to put it together. We just haven't seen

807
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: it and can we expect to have seen it? Like

808
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: the last time we saw him play, he was like nineteen, so, uh,

809
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: you know somebody like that absolute as boom or bust

810
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: as they come, Uh, somebody like Rashad we were out

811
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: of pit. I don't think his boom or bust at all. Um.

812
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Thinking about to last year, he reminds me more of

813
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: an A. J. F Andessa type, somebody that you kind

814
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: of know what he can do and you see the

815
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: vision for what he can develop into a really good

816
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: player right now, really good college football player. Total points

817
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: rating last year the year before that, plenty of sacks,

818
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: production behind the line of scrimmage, good size, uh fairly scheme,

819
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: versatile um but um limited athletically in terms of I

820
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: never expect him, Like I said, I never expect him

821
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: to be a double digit sack guy perennial year inn

822
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: route on the NFL level. So you gotta pick. Do

823
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: you want the high end? Do you want that Rousseau

824
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: who could be a freak type player and really be transcendent,

825
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: but could flame out and be a huge bust. Do

826
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: you want to go somebody a little bit safer who

827
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: probably has a little bit less upside Either way, if

828
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: if if you didn't have any holes, you'd be a

829
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: top ten pick, right So you know that's why these

830
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be available. I do think it's a

831
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: good class in terms of the top hundred depth guys

832
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: you'll get in the second and third round across a

833
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: lot of positions. This year. The story is gonna be

834
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: pretty good depth in the top hundred players. When we

835
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: get today three, watch out, it's gonna start to thin out.

836
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: Really fast because of just the nature of these years class,

837
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: with the players being able to go back to school

838
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: if they're not highly regarded what possession is. Do you

839
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: think are really deep mat that can really travel well

840
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: into round three? Oh? Uh, you know, we just talked

841
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: about a couple of them. I think edge for sure

842
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: is one of those. Um. I think there's better linebacker

843
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: depth this year than in some other years. When you

844
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: talk about that. Uh, there are several corners that that

845
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: I would that I would be thinking about in rounds

846
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: two and three that that could ascend into into being

847
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: a number two, number three level guy in a couple

848
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: of years. Um. And then on the offensive side of

849
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: the ball, the running backs and the wide receivers, you

850
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: could say it almost every year. Like I mentioned before,

851
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: those guys, those are gonna be depth positions. But the

852
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: wide receivers in this year, there's they're gonna be more

853
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: than one receiver per team drafted in this year's class.

854
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: There's gonna be more than thirty two receivers that are

855
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: drafted this year. As we talked about depth in a class,

856
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's crazy. I hope this was enjoyable

857
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: because I didn't have to ask you about quarterbacks until

858
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: we're like forty minutes into this thing. I'm sure that's

859
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: what people always lead off with, Right, Is this a deal,

860
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: Matt where these guys, much like in many years, are

861
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: going to be overdrafted or are there legitimately multiple And

862
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: you know Trevor Lawrence is the best. No one's gonna

863
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: even bothered wasting time with him. But that next group,

864
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: are these guys legitimate top ten, top fifteen picks or

865
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,800
Speaker 1: a team is gonna be reaching a little bit taking

866
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: them that high if they do have quarterback needs. Yeah,

867
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean justin fields our second rated guy for me,

868
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: he's he's a top pick in a lot of drafts. Um,

869
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: he's not as bulletproof. The floor is lower than Trevor

870
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: Lawrence's floor. Um it just in terms of what we've

871
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: seen from him. Um, But the upside I think is

872
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: arguably just as high. Um. This is somebody with incredible

873
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: stature for the position. You don't worry about him taking

874
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: a hit ever, arm strength, um, accuracy, an ability to

875
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: process that I think is underrated, and uh, you know

876
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: what you get with him is a guy who on

877
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: schedule is going to try to execute the play to

878
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: the best the best of the offense's ability, and he

879
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: was very productive doing that at Ohio State, obviously, but

880
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: also somebody off schedule. We talk about the guys that

881
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: we love in the NFL today, our Mahomes, Deshaun Watson,

882
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, the ability to do things off schedule. People

883
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: might be critical of him for pulling the ball down

884
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: too quickly, most defenses that he faced were not critical

885
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: of him for pulling it down too quickly, uh, you know,

886
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: or or they they also were critical, i should say,

887
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: because they would have rather he held the ball in

888
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: the pocket and stay back there. He will make you pay.

889
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: He's the sort of athlete. You know. People don't think

890
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: of Drew Brees as a great athlete. But one thing

891
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: that I learned from being around him was that he

892
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: was such a good tennis player that he beat Andy

893
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: Roddick and tennis in in high school. Um. When you

894
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: know that, justin field as an athlete just stands out

895
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: amongst players at Ohio State. I'm talking about Khalil Mack.

896
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: When he was with Buffalo and he had his best

897
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: college football game was against Ohio State. You looked at

898
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: him and he said, man, that guy looks like an

899
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: NBA player playing with a bunch of college players out there.

900
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: That's what you look at when you see justin fields.

901
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: He is an NBA player out there. He's your starting

902
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: point guard. And I'm already high on his upside. If

903
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: he goes to a system like a Kyle Shanahan type

904
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: offense where where where you're running a lot of bootleg

905
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: play action, that sort of stuff, I think this guy's

906
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: the limit. If if it's uh uh, you know, you

907
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: get in the wrong system, I think it could be

908
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: a problem. Zack Wilson is a guy who's right there

909
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: for us. I think he's an excellent prospect. To my

910
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: concern with him is is it a one year wonder

911
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Because it was a great year. It really was an

912
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: outstanding year, But that offense might be a little bit

913
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: fake this year. Um, he was not the same player

914
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: before that. The release is there, the armed talent is there. Um,

915
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: But they didn't play hardly anybody that was good this year.

916
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: And um, their offense was a work of art in

917
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: terms of the way that they got people open and

918
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: allowed him to to have very easy progressions. So I

919
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: like him too. I think he's a worthy top five pick,

920
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: but a little more of a question for me than

921
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: than Fields. And then two more guys that I think

922
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: are right there in the first round range, probably not

923
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: in the top in grade range for me. We have

924
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: a six six final grade on them, which is kind

925
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: of uh that fringe grade maybe more traditionally like a

926
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: second round pick. But both Mac Jones, who well, I'll

927
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: separate them, but I'll mention them together. Mac Jones and

928
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: Trey Lance couldn't be more different, but they're right next

929
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: to each other for me on the scale. Mac Jones

930
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: a terrible athlete with incredible accuracy. He's way up there

931
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: on all of our Leader awards in terms of what

932
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: he did as a pastor this year. But you almost

933
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: never saw him perform under pressure at all, and you

934
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: almost never saw him perform outside of the pocket, outside

935
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: of that structure, So he's not going to get the

936
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: benefit of only seeing single high the way if you

937
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: look at Justin Herbert and the way he exceeded expectations,

938
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: A big part of the reason why I'm so high

939
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: on Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence. Their threat as runners

940
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: forces the defense to have to play a certain way.

941
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: It changes your box count, It changes your ability to

942
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: play with two high safeties. Matt Jones gets none of

943
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: the benefit of that, So that's gonna be the difficulty

944
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: for him. At the same time, he's as well as

945
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: soon as anybody to to step right in um and

946
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: play basically immediately because his ability to process and and

947
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: all those things, the clutch performance, the high level, that

948
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: stuff's all there. Trey Lance, it's totally different. We saw

949
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: one game this past year. We saw him play a

950
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: ton in twenty nineteen. The stats are great. When you

951
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: watch the film, it's a whole different story. Um, you're

952
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: looking at a guy who has a running back. You're like, oh, wow,

953
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: he's running these dudes over. Yeah, he's running Uh you

954
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: know f FCS players over. He's running lesser competition over.

955
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: So I think I think if he was a running back,

956
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: I think he's draftable as a running back. To be honest,

957
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about athletically when you talk about him.

958
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: But of course he's not a running back. He's he's

959
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: a passer and he's got arm talent. He's got a gun.

960
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Um you see the act he flashes accuracy. It's a

961
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: little bit Josh Allen like where you see that flash

962
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: of a throw where you're like, oh, that throw is interesting,

963
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: but then you don't see him string it together. Um.

964
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: Love from last year Jordan's love a little bit similar

965
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: to that. You don't see him string it together as

966
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: a passer. And there are a lot of questionable things

967
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: from a processing standpoint, a quality of competition standpoint. So

968
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: he's somebody that's the opposite of Jones because all the athleticism,

969
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: all the upside. But please give him a year or

970
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: two to develop and create the right or at least

971
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: if you're gonna use them in the year one, it's

972
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: got to be a Jalen Hurts type of we're gonna

973
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: use him in this role, in this role only, um

974
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: and build from there. All right, Final two questions, Matt

975
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: as a former NFL scout and you're going into your

976
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: war room to put this board together in the beginning

977
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: in mid April, what are you most worried about in

978
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: terms of having the right information on these players given

979
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: all the COVID restrictions from not being a practice during

980
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: the year on college campuses, to talking to people around

981
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: the program in person, to not having combined testing number

982
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: is to use as a level comparison from testing number

983
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: to testing number. What's front of mind for you if

984
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: you're back in the NFL and you're trying to put

985
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: your final board together knowing the limitations you're scouting staff

986
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: was under this year. It's an excellent question. UM. I

987
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: don't worry at all about combine numbers things like that. UM.

988
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I probably wasn't gonna be too worried about those to

989
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: begin with, because hopefully we've got better ways to quantify

990
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: those sort of things at this point. And if anything,

991
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed that the other teams won't have the smoke

992
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: screen that that some of those numbers provide to to

993
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: lead them astray. Um. The thing that I'm most concerned

994
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: about is the thing that I'm most concerned about every year.

995
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: There's injuries, not It's not injuries, although the medical evaluation

996
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: is going to be top of mind for sure. The

997
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: thing that I'm most worried about every year is how

998
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: well am I understanding the risk associated with each of

999
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: these players? Because this year it's obvious that there's a

1000
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: heightened level of uncertainty compared to a regular year. Right,

1001
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: we know less than we know in a regularly or

1002
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: how much less it's hard to say, but we can't

1003
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: even begin asking the question or answering the question of

1004
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: how much less this year as certainty compared to another

1005
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: year until we understand in a typical year how certain

1006
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: we can be about this. So I'm an advocate of

1007
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: usually trading down more than trading up. That's not to

1008
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: say that's a hard and fast philosophy, but I find

1009
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: that when you do that, you give yourselves more chance

1010
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: to draft more players that you have good evaluations on,

1011
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: rather than having fewer chances at players maybe that you

1012
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a higher evaluation on. You

1013
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: just give yourself more chances to be right where you

1014
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: thought you were gonna be right. Because I'm telling you

1015
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: when you when you get later in the draft, as

1016
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: you go through the rounds, you'll have more and more

1017
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: players that you graded higher that are still available, just

1018
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: by the nature of the draft, the nature of uncertainty

1019
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: that increases as you go through the rounds. So you

1020
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: need to understand how uncertain the draft is to begin

1021
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: with in order to have any idea of how to

1022
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: how to quantify things this year. So the thing that

1023
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm most concerned about is not thinking that I'm smarter

1024
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: than everybody else. That that understanding, not that all this year,

1025
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: it's the uncertainty is just through the roof and so

1026
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: we have to throw it all out the window. But

1027
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: understanding what certainty is in a a usual year, what what

1028
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: certainty is this year and using uh, the market against

1029
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: itself and beating the market through that. If you know

1030
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: that Matt was trained under a Bill Belichick system like

1031
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier in the shell, you know now because

1032
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: that is the Patriot way, Man, maximize your swings at

1033
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: the play. The compis came out again and the Patriots

1034
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: are on the top of the compic list that every

1035
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: single round again, Man, they just get swings and swings

1036
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: and swings. We go. The Giants way came up, you

1037
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: know with the Giants, or maybe even the Navy way

1038
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: if we want to go Steve Belichick anythink, but the

1039
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: Patriots way she doesn't have the I know it really doesn't.

1040
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: But it okay, and it's there there. There's a lot

1041
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: to be said for no question, all right, final question.

1042
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: The most important one elis way is the right way

1043
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: to put it well, especially when you're facing the Patriots,

1044
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: No question about that, right, no question, alright, Final question.

1045
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: Most important one tell the people where they can find

1046
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: your great draft guide. I appreciate that the Football Rookie

1047
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: Handbook is available wherever you get books. The best place

1048
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: to get it it will be shipped quickly is at

1049
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: Active sports dot com. That's a c T A sports

1050
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: dot com that's straight through our publisher. Uh. They'll send

1051
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: you some some free gifts along with it too, so UM,

1052
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: you can get the hard copy there. It's it's as

1053
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: you mentioned, seven hundred pages paperback, over three hundred scouting reports,

1054
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: different analytics, uh, team page breakdowns for each NFL team.

1055
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: It's all in there. Um. And then this year we

1056
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: have something new. Uh. We figured not everybody wants to

1057
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: put seven hundred pages in their pocket, so we put

1058
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: it on a kindle. Um. There's an e book version

1059
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: this year. Whether you get Google Books or Amazon Kindle, Um,

1060
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: wherever you want to do it, you can. You can

1061
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: get the e version of the book fitted on your

1062
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: cell phone. UM, so wherever you want to go to

1063
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: have the most up to date information about the prospects.

1064
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: It's fun to read it now, it's fun to have

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Speaker 1: by your side as the draft is going UM. And

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Speaker 1: you can you can check out each of the players

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Speaker 1: as they reel off the board. UM. And it's something

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Speaker 1: that I think you'll find constantly referring back to during

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Speaker 1: the seasons as there's a new rookie cropping up that

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Speaker 1: you're saying, Oh, I don't know this guy, what's he doing?

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Speaker 1: Then you check back on on the Football Rookie Handbook.

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Speaker 1: It's the stats, it's the UH, it's the scouting. UM.

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Speaker 1: We make you the GM just to get people an idea.

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Speaker 1: Each major prospect position will get a full page of

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Speaker 1: just like a scouts report, which is all texts giving

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Speaker 1: you what they do, all what they do poorly in

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Speaker 1: each facet of the game. And then the second page

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Speaker 1: you'll give you the counting stats with them more importantly

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Speaker 1: all the rankings and analytics and stuff like that that

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Speaker 1: really you guys are exclusive to and you do it

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Speaker 1: your own way, right yep. This is UH, this is

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Speaker 1: our proprietary stuff. We spend. We have a four scouts

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Speaker 1: watch every game that gets played in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: in the college football FPS, so over forty hours per

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Speaker 1: game devoted to charting each of the game. We're charting

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Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of data points. We have full auditing processes,

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Speaker 1: and really the core of our business is for the

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Speaker 1: teams we serve NFL teams. We provide this information information

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Speaker 1: to the teams throughout the year to help them make

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Speaker 1: the best decisions. The Football Rookie Handbook, um is just um,

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Speaker 1: the little bit that we can do to try to

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Speaker 1: make this available, you know, just this tiny, little seven

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Speaker 1: hundred page snapshot at the sort of information that that

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Speaker 1: that we provide. So nothing brings you closer to being

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Speaker 1: the GM. Uh. Tom Tolesco, who I don't know anybody

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Speaker 1: who had a better draft than him last year picking

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Speaker 1: up Justin Herbert. Um, he made a great pick there

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Speaker 1: he Uh. He's on the back cover of our book

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Speaker 1: this year, complimenting the work that we did last year,

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Speaker 1: being able to provide the scouting, the analytics all in

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Speaker 1: a concise package for you. Um. And really that's what

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Speaker 1: we try to do. We try to make you the GM.

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Speaker 1: Matt great stuff. We really appreciate. Let's do it again

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Speaker 1: right up against the draft. Maybe you can hear something

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Speaker 1: from the old scouting buddy, share some seekrets with us,

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Speaker 1: all right, pal, Yeah, I'd love to as Matt Matta

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Speaker 1: Charon again he runs the football side of the business

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Speaker 1: over Sports Information Solutions, the s i S Football Rookie Handbook,

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Speaker 1: Go get it. It's fantastic. We thank Matt for joining us,

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Speaker 1: and just a reminder, you can find the Giant Suttle

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Speaker 1: podcast on the Giants podcast Nowork presented by Investors Bank

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Speaker 1: at giants dot com, Slash podcast on the Giants, Bobble app,

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Speaker 1: and all your favorite podcast platforms. For Matt, I'm schmell

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Speaker 1: fantsy being with us. We'll see you next time. Everybody