1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome it as verdict was Sentator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: with you on what we're referred to as an emergency pod. Senator, 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: it's one o'clock in the morning central to Eastern AM. 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: You've just landed and the world is still talking. At 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: this hour. People are waking up around the world realizing 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: that the United States of America has made history by 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: indicting Donald J. Trump. This is a I think, a 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: sad day, a dark day for our country. I want 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this for everybody that I 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: know is listening well, Ben, I have conflicting emotions. Part 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: of me is angry, it is outrageous what happened earlier day. 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Part of me is sad because it is tragic for 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: the rule of law. This indictment is utter and complete garbage. 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: This is not law. This is not a prosecute Hian 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: based on the facts. This is a political vendetta brought 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: by a left wing partisan Democrat who was elected by 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: George Soros, a billionaire who spent over a million dollars 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: to elect Alvin Bragg as district attorney. And Bragg is 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: motivated by one thing, and that is partisan hatred on 20 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: the merits. This case is utterly baseless, it is frivolous. 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: It is a case that will most assuredly fail in court. 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: But Bragg doesn't care. The Democrats, the media partisans who 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: are exultant right now, they don't care. They love the 24 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: fact that Donald Trump is being indicted. Never mind the fact, 25 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: never mind the law, never mind guilt or innocence. They 26 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: hate the man. They are exultant for the political theater 27 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: of the mug shot that will happen in the coming days. 28 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: Any is there any downside to brag doing this center 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: because there have been a lot of people saying that 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: he overstepped here right that this was a complete overstep. 31 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: There were Democrats basically begging him not to do this 32 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: publicly on TV, saying he should step back from the brink. 33 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 1: They were saying that on CNN. But if you look 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: at New York, can you look at where's where he 35 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: would run for reelection. He's looking at becoming the governor. 36 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: And that's what we've been told about him in New York. 37 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: Even if he loses, even if all this is thrown out, 38 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: is it still in his mind to win for him? 39 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Because it's such a partisan attack on Donald Trump. Well, look, 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: I don't know the man, but everything about him says 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: that he is a Zelliot said that, he says that 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: he's an extreme partisan. I'm a conservative and I'm heartbroken 43 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: today because this is such a blow to America. It's 44 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: a blow to rule of law. Our constitution was designed. Listen, 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: they're countries all over the world. If you're in Russia, 46 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: this can happen to you. If you're in China, this 47 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: can happen to you. If you're in North Korea or 48 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: Venezuela or Cuba. This is what banana republics do. This 49 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: is what dictatorships do. If one party takes power, you'd 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: better hope you're not the prior party because they're coming 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: after you. They're gonna lock you up, and they may 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: put you in front of a firing squad. I feel 53 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: confident at least Alvin Bragg won't take it to that. 54 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: But America's different. We're built on rule of law. We're 55 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: built on the law applying to everyone, and so as 56 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: a conservative, this makes me sad, but I gotta say 57 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: the irony then, if I were a liberal Democrat, I'd 58 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: be horrified right now because even while this is devastating 59 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: to the rule of law, to the confidence the American 60 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: people will have in our justice system. At the same time, 61 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: I think this is an enormous political gift to Donald Trump. 62 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: If I were a Democrat, I might well report Alvin 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Bragg to the Federal Election Commission, making the single greatest 64 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: in kind contribution to a presidential campaign in history. This 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: is there's a reason. Look, Trump put out almost two 66 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: weeks ago that he was about to get arrested, and 67 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: he said he was going to get arrested the next day, 68 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: and Bragg delayed and delayed and delayed. A lot of 69 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: national Democrats were freaking out, were pressuring Bragg, don't do this, 70 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: don't do this, don't do this. This will help Trump. 71 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: And you know, as you know, he sent the grand 72 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: jury home for a period of time. The press was 73 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: reporting the grand jury had been sent home for a month. 74 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: Turns out that was false. That was either misreporting or 75 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: deliberate misinformation from Brag. But I think the delay you 76 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: and I speculated, we talked on the pot it may 77 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: have been Bragg getting cold feet, but I'll tell you 78 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: I said on the podcast that there was a very 79 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: good chance Brag was going to say screw it. I 80 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: hate the guy and I'm going to indicte him and 81 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: all the rest of you can go jump in the lake. 82 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: And sadly, that's what he's done. And you know, this 83 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: is not going to be the last salvo. There's going 84 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: to be more presidents indicted. This puts America on a 85 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: road that is a very very bad road. You know, 86 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: you look back in history Richard Nixon, who committed multiple crimes. 87 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,119 Speaker 1: As you know, I'm not a Nixon fan. My latest book, 88 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: Justice Corrupted, there's an entire chapter detailing the crimes and 89 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: obstruction of justice and abuse carried out by the Nixon 90 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: White House. But I got to say, when gerald Ford 91 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: pardoned Nixon, it probably cost gerald Ford his election. It 92 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: probably elected Jimmy Carter. But gerald Ford did it because 93 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: he believed he was helping the country. He believed that 94 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: having a trial of the former president, even a president 95 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: as corrupt as Nixon, he thought, would be deeply harmful 96 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: for the country. You know, my sentiments are similar to 97 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: what they were when the Democrats impeach Donald Trump, not once, 98 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: but twice. And that's when verdict started. Verdict started, as 99 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: you now, on the first night of the first impeachment 100 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: trial against Trump, and I said at the outset, they're 101 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: starting a new chapter. This will become routine. When one 102 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: party controls the House and the other party controls the 103 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: White House, we will see presidents get impeached. That's not 104 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: good for America, that's not good for the rule of law. 105 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: And this has now escalated it even further. These are 106 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: radical partisans who don't care about the rule of law. 107 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: It is war by any means necessary. That's how Alvin 108 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: Bragg and George Soros and the radical left approaches that. 109 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: And that's a really tragic day for America. What do 110 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: we What is your hope for Republicans now, because there's 111 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: been a lot of as I was watching earlier tonight 112 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: just some of the reactions on TV, they said, get 113 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: ready because now what's going to happen is there's gonna 114 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: be a tit for tat and you're gonna see uh 115 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: district attorneys start going after maybe Biden family members for 116 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: the Biden crime family. And what we've seen has come 117 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: out with the millions of dollars coming in from the 118 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Russians and the Chinese, this is going to turn into 119 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: we open Pandora's box. There's no way to stop this. Now, 120 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: it's if you're gonna do it, We're gonna do it. 121 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: I worry that we go down that road and there's 122 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: no way to turn off the Spickett. What is your 123 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: your your hope and how concerned are you that maybe 124 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Republicans say, Okay, well, if Brad's gonna do it, by Galli, 125 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: I'll make a name for myself and I'll go after 126 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and all of his allies. Well, look, that 127 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: is a very real worry. Historically, the less has been 128 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: more willing to do that than the right, but escalation 129 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: is a very real possibility. And we've talked on this 130 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: podcast before. I believe Merrick Garland. I think the Biden 131 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: DOJ is going to Hunter Biden. I think they planned 132 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: to indict Hunter Biden. They've leaked it to the press, 133 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: which DJ should not be leaky. But I think they 134 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: planned to indict Hunter Biden for drug charges or maybe 135 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: tax charges, for something that is personal and unique to him. 136 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: And I think they want the public narrative to be 137 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: this is a poor, tortured soul with serious substance abuse problems, 138 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: and and we should our hearts should should break for 139 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: the trauma he has served. They are not, i believe, 140 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: going to indict Hunter Biden for anything related to corruption 141 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: from his father, which is which is the relevant public matter. 142 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: It's the relevant issue of public interest. Is the sitting 143 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: president engaged in corrupt business dealings? Did the sitting president 144 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: as vice president engage in corrupt business dealings? That is 145 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: a legitimate, important concern. Look, I'm not saying that it 146 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: is always illegitimate to indict prosecute a former president. For 147 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: a president commits crimes, serious crimes, that president should be 148 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: held accountable, but it shouldn't be ticky tack nonsense. And 149 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: this is where and look, we did a podcast last 150 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: week that went into the details of it, so I'm 151 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: not going to repeat all of it, but let's do 152 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: this briefly. We don't know the exact grounds on which 153 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: the district attorney is indicting Trump. He has not yet 154 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: released the indictment publicly. I assume we will know in 155 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: the next couple of days. But in all likelihood, the 156 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: statute that he will be basing it on is New 157 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: York Penal Law one seventy five Doto five. What does 158 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: that do? It makes it a misdemeanor when an individual 159 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: makes or causes a false entry in a business record 160 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: or alters, erases, obliterates, to leites a true entry in 161 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: a business record. In other words, it's a bookkeeping error. 162 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: If you write something in the books of a business 163 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: enemy that is false under New York law, that's a misdemeanor. 164 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: So that's the claim they're basing it on. But it's 165 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: even more ludicrous than that, because it's a misdemeanor under 166 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: New York law. The statute of limitations is two years. 167 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: This alleged crime occurred in twenty sixteen. The alleged crime 168 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: is that, in the heat of the presidential campaign against 169 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump sent his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, 170 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: to pay Stormy Daniels, a porn star, one hundred and 171 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:40,239 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars, to cover up that she had allegedly 172 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: had an affair with Donald Trump. I don't know if 173 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: any of that's true or not, but that's the allegations. 174 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: None of that's illegal on the face of it. There's 175 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: nothing in what I've just described it violates New York law. 176 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: So what is Alvin Bragg hanging his hat on. He's saying, well, 177 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: when one hundred and thirty thousand dollars was paid in 178 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: the accounting ledgers, Trump recorded that one hundred and thirty 179 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollars as legal fees when it was not in 180 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: fact legal fees. It was hush money, It was payoff 181 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 1: to Stormy Datas. Now, as I mentioned, that's a misdemeanor 182 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: under New York Lasso, the statute of limitations is run, 183 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: which means the prosecutor can't charge him. So how is 184 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: he bringing this indictment. Well, there's another provision of New 185 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: York law, new York Penal Law one seventy five point ten, 186 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: that makes it a felony if you create a false 187 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: business record in the furtherance of in order to commit 188 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: another crime. So he's trying to bootstrap another crime to 189 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: transform a misdemeanor into a felony. Let's pause for a 190 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: second and reflect on the irony. Alvin Bragg got elected. 191 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: George Soros spent it over a million dollars to elect 192 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg because he is reducing felonies. Every day, he's 193 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: reducing felonies to misdemeanors. He's releasing violent criminals from jail. 194 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: He's refusing to prosecute violent criminals. He ran on a 195 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: platform of let the criminals go. But in this case, 196 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: it's a bank robber, it's not a rapist, it's not 197 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: a murderer. It's Donald Trump. And to a leftist, Donald 198 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: Trump is the worst thing on the face of the planet. 199 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: So he's got a ridiculous legal theory to elevate a 200 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: misdemeanor into a felony. And we don't know if we're 201 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: sure of what alleged crime he's trying to piggyback on 202 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: because he hadn't released the indictment yet, But in all 203 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: likelihood it is some sort of campaign finance violation for 204 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: mischaracterizing the payment. Now, if that's the crime that is 205 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: being used to bootstrap the misdemeanor to get around the 206 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: statute of limitation to prosecute Trump, to the h Trump 207 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: a number of true. Number one, the Federal Election Commission 208 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: just declined to bring a case based on this. They 209 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: looked at it and said, we don't have a case here. 210 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: Number two, The Department of Justice declined to bring a 211 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: case on this main Justice. Number three, the Southern District 212 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: of New York, the US Attorney in Manhattan, declined to 213 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: bring a case on this, looked at it and said 214 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: there's nothing here. Number four, the previous district attorney in Manhattan, Sivance, 215 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: who's a hardcore liberal, looked at the facts here and said, 216 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: we can't bring a case here. Everyone has looked at 217 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: this and said this ain't a case. What happened? Alvin 218 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: Bragg said, who baby? I hate Trump. I'm indicting me 219 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: a Donald Trump, and nothing's gonna stop me. This case 220 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: will get thrown out, all right, let's walk through that, 221 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: convicting him. Yeah, it's not about convicting him. I couldn't 222 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: agree with you more. Let's put people so they understand 223 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: because no one I have seen this anywhere Center, and 224 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: that's why I want to ask you this. Lastly, no 225 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: one has explained what will happen. And by the way, 226 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: CNN is reporting tonight, and they have pretty good information 227 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: from liberals and New York City, so that's why I 228 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: think they're probably leading this. They're getting great leaks. They're 229 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: saying Trump faces more than thirty counts related to business fraud. 230 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: Sources are now telling CNN he's expected appear in court 231 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, as the first former US president to be 232 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: crimply charged he will be fingerprinted, he will have a 233 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: mug shot. You just said this will be thrown out. 234 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Explain the process. Donald Trump's gonna have to lawyer up. 235 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: If there's thirty plus counts here, He's gonna have to 236 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: defend himself. Obviously, just said it's going to be thrown out. 237 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: Walk us down this so people understand what really happens next. 238 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: Will there be a trial for example, Well, the first 239 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: process is going to be Donald Trump being arrested, which 240 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: is what he tweeted just under two weeks ago that 241 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: he was about to be arrested. Now because he's the 242 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: former president of the United States, because he's protected by 243 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: Secret Service, You're not going to have NYPD come kicked 244 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: down the door of our lago and dragging away at handcuffs. 245 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: The Manhattan District Attorney is talking to Trump's attorney and 246 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: they're reaching negotiated terms for him to turn himself in. 247 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: Now he has said publicly he's going to turn himself in. 248 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: He's going to cooperate with him. So what will happen. 249 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be Tuesday, I don't know 250 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: if those leaks are accurate, but in the next several days, 251 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Tuesday is certainly plausible that that's roughly the right time period. 252 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: It could be tomorrow, or it could be any day 253 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: in the next week that Trump presumably will present himself 254 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: in Manhattan and will turn himself in. When he turns 255 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: himself in, he'll be booked. I think it is certain 256 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: that they will fingerprint him. I think it is certain 257 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: that they will take a mug shot. Frankly, that's a 258 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: big part of the reason Alvin Bragg wants to bring 259 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: this case is to take the mugshot because it's a 260 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: political attack. It's not a legal case. It is a 261 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: political attack, and he wants the mug shot. How many 262 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: times have you seen ben on Twitter leftists engage in 263 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: fan fiction porn where they cut and paced Donald Trump's 264 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: face onto the body of someone in an orange jumpsuit 265 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: in prison. Yeah, countless the mug shot. They are so 266 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: excited as a political matter for that. Now, by the way, 267 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: my prediction will see if this is true. My prediction 268 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: is when Donald Trump takes his mug shot, he will 269 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: be in a Chris blue shirt with an impeccable white 270 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: Chris blue suit with an impeccable white shirt and a 271 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: bright red Donald Trump tie and he will be smiling 272 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: ear to ear. That's my prediction. I don't know that, 273 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: but we'll find out in a few days if that's 274 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: right or not. Then it will proceed to trial. Now, 275 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: before trial, there can go all sorts of pre trial proceedings. 276 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: The defense can make motions, they can make motions to 277 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: suppress evidence. There will be the disclosure of what called 278 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: Brady material, which is the material the prosecutor has that 279 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: is potentially exculpatory, that potentially demonstrates Trump is inocent. And 280 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: so they'll be a back and forth. You know, Trump 281 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: will make bail. I don't know what the bail will 282 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: be set at, but he's he's going to make bail 283 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: and be released after his booked, and then it will 284 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: proceed towards a trial. It is possible that the defense 285 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: council will make a motion to dismiss the indictment. And 286 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 1: I don't know who the New York trial judge is 287 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: that the case will be assigned to. It will be 288 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: a New York state trial judge. New York trial judges 289 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: tend to be quite liberal, so it's possible you'll have 290 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: a judge that will allow this to linger on for 291 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: some time. I gotta tell you, any judge worth his 292 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: or her assault would throw this damn thing out because 293 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: it's a ridiculous case. And let me get it. Two 294 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: data points that are important to know, and they're data 295 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: points that you're probably not going to hear on CNN. 296 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: You're not going to hear an ABCCBS or NBC. Number one, 297 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: a theory similar to this was tried against John Edwards. 298 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: John Edwards was the Democrat senator who ran for president, 299 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: who had an affair, who had a mistress, who paid 300 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: hush money, and he got prosecuted for mischaracterizing the hush money, 301 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: and the case blew up at it lost, it did 302 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: not succeed. That's the most on point precedent is an 303 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: absolute failure of a prosecution. But number two, and this 304 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: is the fact that his studying, which is the entire 305 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: predicate of the Manhattan DA's case, is that recording as 306 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: legal fees a payment that was not in fact legal fees. 307 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: He is a crime and a crime worthy of indictment 308 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: and prosecution. If that is true, do you know who 309 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: else could committed the exact same crime at the same time. 310 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: That would be none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton So 311 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: all of this conduct occurred during the twenty sixteen campaign, 312 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: during the general election, when it was Trump versus Clinton. 313 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: That's when Michael Cohen allegedly paid Stormy Daniels one hundred 314 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: and thirty thousand dollars and they characterized it as legal fees. 315 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: At the exact same time, Hillary Clinton's campaign paid over 316 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: a million dollars to develop the Steel Dossier. You remember 317 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: the infamous document that is filled with things like the petain, 318 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: the allegations of lurid sexual activities from Donald Trump that 319 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 1: the media was so excited when it broke it just 320 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: happened to all be garbage and made up fiction. The 321 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton campaign commissioned the entire thing. They paid for it. 322 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: They paid over a million dollars. And you know what, 323 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton campaign called the payments to fabricate the 324 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: Steele dossier legal fees, the exact same thing. So the 325 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: identical conduct characterizing something as legal fees that was not 326 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: legal fees occurred in the identical jurisdiction Manhattan at the 327 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: exact same time twenty sixteen. If this is a crime, 328 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: then objectively, Hillary Clinton not only committed the same crime, 329 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: she committed it ten x Trump allegedly did it at 330 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Hillary Clinton did it 331 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: at over a million dollars. Not the truth of the 332 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: matter is neither one of them is a crime. It's 333 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: a tikie tech book. Keepee would prosecute Hillary Clinton or 334 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: zero because he supports Hillary Clinton, and that's not how 335 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: a prosecution should proceed. Last question for you, I want 336 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: to ask, and this is I think a bigger Just 337 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: step back and think about this from a different perspective 338 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: of how much damage has been done for the future 339 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: of this country today because of this indictment, the fact 340 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: that in twenty twenty three, we have lost our way 341 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: to the point where we're indicting on garbage charges as 342 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: you described it, former Presidency United's America. And is there 343 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: any way to get this back in the box afterwards 344 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: or is the damage that's been done? Will it ever 345 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: go away? Look, it is very very hard. As you know. 346 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: I've been concerned about this for a long time. Several 347 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: months ago, I wrote my latest book. My latest book 348 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: is on exactly this topic because I saw this happening. 349 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: My latest book is called Justice Corrupted. How the Left 350 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: is weaponized the legal system and it describes how Barack 351 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: Obama and Joe Biden have corrupted the Department of Justice, 352 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: have corrupted, the FBI, have corrupted, the IRS, have corrupted, 353 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: the CIA, have weaponized the legal machinery. It talks about 354 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: Alvin brag It talks about George Soros. DA's elected with 355 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: millions of dollars from George Soros to undermine the rule 356 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: of law. And listen, I did not. I wasn't happy 357 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: writing the book Justice Corrupted. I love the American justice system, 358 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: I love the rule of law. My entire life has 359 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: been devoted to the Constitution, literally since I was a teenager. 360 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: When I was thirteen, I was part of a group 361 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: called the Constitutional Corroborators where we memorized the Constitution in 362 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: shortened amountic form. Yes, Ben, I was one heck of 363 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: a geek. You were a jock hi ass in high school. 364 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: But that was me. You are a pretty geeky jock. 365 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: I will give you that. My assid high school. But look, 366 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: my entire life, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. It 367 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: has been the pinnacle of human liberty in the entire 368 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: existence of mankind. And I wrote Justice Corrupted because I 369 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: saw these hardcore partisans these leftists, these Marxists, willing to 370 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: use the machinery of justice just as a cudgels as 371 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: a club to beat their political opponents, and I was horrified. Look, 372 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: I'm going to encourage everyone go on to Amazon right 373 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: now buy Justice Corrupted if you want to know what 374 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: happened here. This book details exactly what led to today's indictment, 375 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: and it, unfortunately, I think it only gets worse over 376 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: the next two years under Joe Biden. I can promise 377 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you one thing. We're gonna keep you update on this. 378 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: I have a feeling this is going to have a 379 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: lot of moving parts, and the weeks and the months ahead, 380 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. 381 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: We will let you get you behind the scenes and 382 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: let you understand the legal aspect of this, which I 383 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: think is one part that's lacking. And I appreciate you 384 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: center explaining what is going to happen next, just in 385 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: the short term, because people want to know. They're afraid 386 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: that the present is going to be ineligible, that he 387 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: can't run, that if there's a trial, he's not gonna 388 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: be able to run. All that is also not true. 389 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: Even if this goes forward, he is not ineligible. It 390 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: is completely false. The only way that a president can 391 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: be ineligible to run is if the president is impeached, 392 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: which takes a majority of the House, and convicted, which 393 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: takes two thirds of the Senate, and the Senate imposes 394 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: the penalty of making him ineligible to run for office. 395 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: That is not going to happen. That has not happened, 396 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: and so the fact of an indictment has zero effect 397 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: on Trump's being able to run. It has zero effect 398 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: on his being able to win the primary, It has 399 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: zero effect on his being able to win when the general, 400 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: has zero effect in his being able to serve as president. 401 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: This is an effort by Alvin Bragg and radical Democrats 402 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: to steal the election. The irony is all of these 403 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: Democrats who have clutched their pearls and said, defend democracy, 404 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: defend democracy. Well, you know what, they're all full of 405 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: crap because they don't believe in democracy. Look, if you 406 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: don't like Donald Trump, vote against him, but don't abuse 407 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: the justice system by trying to bring bogus charges because 408 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: you're afraid that the voters might actually vote for the guy. 409 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: That's not democracy. It's the opposite of democracy. And these 410 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: Marxists don't care. They are carrying down American democracy and 411 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: it's why as I sit here at one sixteen in 412 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: the morning, I'm pitstocel Yeah, Center, thank you. I think 413 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: this is one of the most important podcasts that we 414 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: have done, and people want to know what's happening, and 415 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: I think this will help distinguish the bas and the 416 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: spend from the reality of the situation. We will be 417 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: back with you whenever big, big news like this breaks, 418 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: even if it's at one twenty in the morning, and 419 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: we'll be back with you obviously in a couple of 420 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: days as well. We'll see you then. Everybody pray for 421 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: our country.