WEBVTT - Johnny Shows His Vulnerable Side 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:05.560 What's up, happy, our listeners, We're back and I'm Becca 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:09.880 Kuprin and I'm Michelle Young, and we're so excited for 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.400 this week to talk all about the episode of the Batcherettes, 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.720 of course, and the ongoing journeys of our girls, Gabby 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:21.200 and Rachel. And it's week five of the Batchearette, which 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.000 it's going fast. It always does, but I feel like 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.240 it's going extra fast. But I'm so happy to be 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.720 back with you, Becca, because this week we are talking 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.879 to Johnny, who is the man who proved you can 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.680 be vulnerable and still fun during his one on one 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.400 date with Gabby. Yes, Michelle, I'm so excited to have 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.000 Johnny on because you just said it best. He proved 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:43.519 he could be vulnerable and open up and talk about 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.040 some deeper, heavier things but also still have fun, and 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.120 I expected nothing less. I feel like that date started 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.159 off on such a fun fresh foot for both of them, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.840 so I can't wait to pick his brain. And we 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.840 did see some I don't ever want to say drama 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.960 go down on this week's episode, but like we didn't 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.800 see this little switchery with Logan, and because Johnny was 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.680 actually there living with the guys, and when this firsthand, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.640 I'm so excited to pick his brain on all of that. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.240 But before we bring him on, Michelle, you are glowing today. 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.120 You have this like fresh summer face. I feel like, 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.800 So I want to know, because I'm coming to Minnesota 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:26.000 this week, what's good back in the homeland. Okay, I 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.440 will say that I think I've heard this from multiple people, 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:34.280 but this is probably the best Minnesota summer that I've 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.760 had since in my twenty nine years old living. It's 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:39.600 just been the weather. But every single day it's like 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.959 blue skies, sunny. We don't have that gloomy weather. It rains, 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.120 but it rains at night when you're sleeping, so you 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.760 like have that sound noise to fall asleep in. And 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:50.920 it's just I've been able to get out on the 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.080 lakes so much because the weather has been consistent and 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.840 you know, working out. Hey, yeah, at the pool, it's 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:01.320 been it's been really nice and needed. Yes, exactly. Well, 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.080 I can't wait. I'm hoping, you know, I'm doing like 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.080 a little quick family trip with my mom and sister 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.480 before my sister has her second baby, so it's like 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.360 a little girl's weekend. But maybe if I can sneak 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.040 away you and I can grab a drink or something. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.000 Which love that I don't know, Okay, I don't know 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.320 if you're like as big of a foodie as I am. 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.880 But like every time I know I'm coming back to Minnesota, 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.240 I stack up on reservations where it's like, Okay, I 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.600 have to go for sure to Barlagrassa because it has 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.200 the best pasta. I have to go to Lynden Hills 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.120 to like my favorite bookstore, to get smash and shows 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.639 ice cream. Like I want to know and if anyone 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.440 either lives in Minnesota or if you're if you happen 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.359 to visit there, Michelle, what are your favorite go to spots? 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.000 Oh see, I feel like I don't even want to 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:51.160 share that because then I don't want people to go there, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.480 Like I want it to be a favorite, Okay, the 0:02:55.560 --> 0:03:00.600 best place? You know, yeah, one or two? I am. 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.840 I'm very much a huge foodie like you Becca. Like 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:04.480 if i know that I'm going to be going to 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.400 an area, I look at the menu days before to 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:11.920 kind of look at everything. But I feel like I'm 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.320 you know, in Minnesota, I go to Cove and Wizetta 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:17.840 on the Lake like that is my spot during the summer, 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.160 just because I love the like the patio and that area, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.000 and then any chance I get to eat on the lake. Wait, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:29.600 have you had Cove's big ass ice cream cake? I 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:36.480 probably had nearly everything on the Cove menu. That's okay. 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.000 So you're coming back to Minneapolis, Minnesota, you're spending some 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.560 time here, but you have a lot going on where 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:47.920 you're at catch us up to speak to say the least. Um, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.960 I don't even know where to begin. So, I mean, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.000 we've talked about this before Thomas night. Are you know 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:57.720 fresh in this new house? Um total demolition mess. He 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.280 the entire house is complete, letely gutted. There's not one 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.280 room where we're not doing work. It's been a struggle, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:11.080 and I mean, I don't know about anyone out there. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.440 Like I'm very organized, very type A Like I need 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:20.560 to have a proper place and space and everything for everything, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.640 and I don't have that currently, So I am losing 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:28.080 my gosh, dang mind. I Like I joke with Thomas. 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.960 I love him so much, but I'm like, I might 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.320 divorce you before we're even married because this has been 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:38.440 such a crazy time. But but it's actually really cool. Too, 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.680 because Thomas is so in his element. He is so 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:46.839 great about building and fixing and working on projects and 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.360 like having this vision of this house come together. So 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.680 it's been really cool to see the baby steps and 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.200 like see him, I mean honestly, to see him get 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.599 like down and dirty and sweaty. It's a sexy pin 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.159 Oh yeah, but Wan who can build. It's so nice 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.719 and I like, I honestly like should not complain because 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.520 he has been so incredible and it's gonna be lovely 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.159 once it's finally done and we make this space our own. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.120 But it's a process of getting there. So that's why 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.120 I'm happy I have outlets like this where we can 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.720 have our girl chat and do the podcast and get 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.880 away from all that craziness. So that's done. Five episode 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.080 of Extra Chips. We'll take some extra chips for you. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:24.920 I might not even leave min I might come back 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.080 this week and just stay there for the next couple 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.839 months until this is done. Like I canceled. It's really weird. Sorry, Thomas, 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.760 you can watch the dogs for the next three months 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:38.480 right while you're really in a house. Cool, thanks brother, buddy. No, 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.800 but it's yeah, it's been interesting and speaking of interesting. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.479 I want to pick your brain on this week's episode, because, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.520 as you said, it's week five, we're halfway through. I 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.400 don't know about you. Were you shocked when I think 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.760 it was Rachel at the beginning of the episode said like, 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.719 hometowns are in two weeks. Yeah, that caught me off guard. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.279 I actually rewinded a little bit to make sure that 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.880 I heard everything correctly. Yeah, two weeks. I feel like 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.760 we just got started to same two weeks we're already 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:14.599 in hometown So I'm my damn, this season is flying by. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.719 that caught me off guard. And that was like a 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:20.000 reality check of you know, just kind of really looking 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.680 to see, like which conversations still need to be had, 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.359 and wow, I just it's fine, they're just getting started. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:31.640 Um okay. I think the main like one of the 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.320 main themes of this week or like you know, things 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.800 that took place is with Logan, and we kind of 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.960 saw the start of it last week as he's he 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.599 was in Rachel's group dating Rachel, but still like thinking 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.880 about Gabby. I mean, this week we saw the full 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:50.880 switcher rou and we don't necessarily need to get into 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.239 all of those details, but I actually want to ask 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.040 you this, Michelle, because I'm you know, as I'm watching, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.960 I'm putting myself back in the mindset of the back 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.200 and like, if I was in this position, how would 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.480 I react? How would I handle things? Would I do 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.599 things the same or different? So, if Logan came to you, 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.640 say you were along with Rachel and you were both Batchlrettes. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.080 If Logan came to you and was like, I am 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.400 leaving Rachel's group and I want to still pursue things 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.960 with you because I can't get you out of my mind, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.360 what would you have done? I honestly would have handled 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.600 it exactly how Gabby did that in that situation is 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:33.880 just her navigating everything with Rachel to make sure that 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.120 they have that open line of communication, especially in such 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.320 a unique situation where there's going to be like a 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.960 lot of sticky, sticky situations when you have two different 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:49.560 bachelorettes in this episode. And I'm kind of actually surprised 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.080 that it didn't happen before this point, and I'm also 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.160 surprised that, yeah, that we just didn't see more of it. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.800 And so the fact that Gabby paused to go speak 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.320 to Rachel to get her thoughts on it and really 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.960 work through it, because this isn't something that anybody has 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:08.880 been through before, and so it's like there's not a 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.119 real book on how to navigate it. But I guess 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:16.120 my question is would you have kept Logan around? But 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.440 I mean it does depend on the connection, Like that's 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.560 the hard part is like it truly does. If you 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.160 have a deep connection with that person you at week five, 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:31.280 you actually feel that that person like you were sad 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.520 that you weren't continuing to date them, then maybe I 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:41.959 would possibly consider it. But I don't know. Okay for me, Okay, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.440 so here's where I sug Here's where I struggle with it. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.560 My connection with that person would have already had to 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.680 be at a very deep point to keep that person around. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.480 But that being said, if I felt that deeply and 0:08:56.559 --> 0:09:02.000 then they didn't, then I don't know. Back, I don't 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.600 know what are your thoughts, like, how would how would 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:09.240 you navigate this? I mean, I agree with you. I 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.160 think the fact that Gabby went to Rachel and was 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.160 able to have this conversation a shows the level of 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.160 respect that they have for each other, but also just 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.360 their friendship, right, Like It's another key moment throughout the 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.120 season that we've seen time and again of like they 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.560 have each other's backs and they truly care about each other. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.760 But I personally don't think I would have kept Logan around, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.839 and I'll tell you why, for a couple of reasons. One, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.360 he's already missed two vital weeks and time is really 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.880 of the essence, and as we know, we always talk 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.679 about how important time is, and he's already missed two 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:49.560 out of the five weeks. So there's already two out 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.120 of five weeks that have been missing time with each other, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.440 right and times of the essence. And also I had 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:00.680 something similar happened on my season where a guy got 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.400 injured on a date, had to go home, had to 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.400 have surgery. He was away for a couple of weeks, 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.839 and I was actually offered the opportunity to bring him back, 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.720 and it was I think the same type frame week 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.439 five or six, and I said no because I at 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.679 that point with the men I had been dating and 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.840 that I had formed connections with them that I was 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.880 invested with, I was like, I can't do this to 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.320 these men who I care about, because I know that 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:28.240 it's going to backtrack a bit with them. And so 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:32.600 I think and again like if there's a connection there, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.760 explore it. Like I'm just giving my opinion and what 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.880 I would do, which is not the same as what 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.200 somebody else would do, And that's okay. I think the 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:45.080 way everything was handled was very mature, very respectful, truly 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:48.360 the best way anything could have transpired in this scenario. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.880 I just wouldn't have done the same thing probably. I 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.760 just it's so hard when you're not there, you know, right, 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.640 you just gotta follow your gut. But would Yeah, but 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.840 how I mean, like for you personally if that were 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:04.079 to happen, Like I'm sure you, because you're an empathetic person, 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.040 you would feel for the men that you were already 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:11.440 so involved with. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I definitely would. I 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.720 think I have a hard time jumping into that because 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.960 like in my head, I'm thinking, okay, so if like 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.880 Logan were to come back, and I'm like, I just 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.199 that's you know, that's I can't put myself in the 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.320 pisos because I'm like, I don't I'm not dating Logan, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.160 so who knows, well, okay, who knows. But I do 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.000 get what you say. I do get what you're saying. 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.280 It's just it really depends though, because it's all factors 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.720 of what's going on, because all factors of like what 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.319 you know, how the other guys are handling, how your 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.240 other relationships are progressing, how maybe they're not progressing. So 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.400 it really, it really truly depends on your relationships and 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.559 what you have with all the other people. Yeah, was 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.640 there any other key moments that really stuck out to 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:59.160 you that you want to highlight right now? I just 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:04.439 feel like Gabby is in a place where she really 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.040 is challenging herself to open up and in this path 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.080 like this past week, I felt like I got to 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.480 see that even more so because you are getting into um, 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:18.160 you know, the really deep conversations and and and she 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.920 has been very vocal about that's really difficult for her. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:27.040 But anytime she's speaking, it's just she's able to really 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.840 speak clearly about her emotions and identify her emotions. And 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.520 I think she's doing a wonderful job challenging the men 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.360 then to do that as well. And they, you know, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.480 are able to sit down and open up and feel 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.120 like they have like um almost like the structure of 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.120 the conversation, if that makes sense, like structure be able 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:51.559 to open up more and get into deeper, heavier things. Exactly. Yeah, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.840 I think the definitely thing that I enjoyed so much 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.160 this week. Um, okay, before we bring on Johnny, I 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:02.480 have one final question about not even this particular episode, 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.240 but mainly this episode, but everything leaving up. Is it 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.719 just so apparent to you who Rachel's already know who 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.040 her final two are going to be just from the interactions? 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.560 It is the wait, you tell me, what are you 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.880 so apparent? What are you looking at? I think just everything. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:24.400 I think her conversations, the way she talks about two men, 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.120 in particular, the amount of screen time that two men 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.000 in her group of guys. It's just like, I'm going 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.800 into screen time and everything and I'm gonna but I'm 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:34.760 gonna and I'm gonna say this once again. I say 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.360 it week after week. I truly don't know who either 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.520 of these women end up with. I don't know. I 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.760 don't even know who is going to be final four 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.839 at Hometowns, but like, I'm pretty sure I know who 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:49.679 will be final two for Rachel. It is so apparent. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.080 How do you feel about the final two? Oh? I mean, like, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.040 what do you wanna do you want to identify or 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.600 do you wanna do you want to identify the final 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.600 two or now? Well, I will kind of. I mean, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.400 if I'm just I'm just prefacing this with this is 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.440 just my This is just my opinion and from what 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.600 I've seen. But right now, out of Rachel's what six 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:14.599 or seven men left, she is all in Untino and 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:20.400 Zach one thousand percent. I am calling it with just 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:25.560 my own thoughts and opinions and being a critical thinker. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:33.640 Here it's those two and there's no competition. I wouldn't 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.560 necessarily don't agree say that I agree with you at 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.720 this point. Yes, I agree with you at this point. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.840 Do I know that things can drastically change? Yes? Who knows? 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:48.880 Logan maybe trying to switch back and that times send 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.360 them home. Rachel actually raised Chris back and begins to 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.760 date him, is what you're saying, right, Okay? All right? 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.520 So I said that's something anything can happen, but anything 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.680 can truly happen on this show, I really can. All right, Well, Michelle, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.480 I mean, like always, I could chat with you forever, 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.360 but we do have a guest ready and waiting, and 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.640 it's time to bring on Johnny. He and Gabby's connection 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.360 went to a whole other level this week during their 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.000 first one on one together and again Michelle, he was vulnerable, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.720 he was fun. It was like the full combination of 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.640 everything we love to see when people are dating on 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.440 this show. So everybody please help us. Welcome Johnny to 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:37.600 Happy Hour. Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Johnny. We are 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.160 so excited that you are here with us. How are 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:42.240 you doing? Thank I'm good, I'm good. Thank you for 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.320 having me. This is amazing. Absolutely, Johnny. I need to 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:50.600 know where are you from? Because I'm getting like Jersey 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.640 vibes a little bit, But I no, you are. It's 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:59.160 I'm from Jersey. But yeah, look at that you look 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:03.040 me up. I know you. No, he's where no offense. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.080 I don't want any of you guys up until I 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.680 know like you're the one at the very very end. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.320 Yeah no, um, yeah, I moved from Jersey and I 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.040 was around fifteen, So there's a little Jersey twining in there. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.880 Okay now yeah, yeah for sure. But before we get 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:22.560 into everything, how did you come about on this show? 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.040 How did you actually get to be on the back Stort? 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.480 How did I guess be on the TV show of 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:31.200 the back stat Um? Yeah? Um, I actually, you know, 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.680 I want to call it a breakup, but I kind 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.640 of was in a relationship that didn't work out, and um, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.040 when it ended, I was kind of bummed, and my 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.440 friends were kind of over me moping around. They're like, 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.400 we gotta get this kid somewhere. So my one buddy 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.440 decided to submit me and then um, yeah, the rest 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:52.200 is history. Were you surprised, like did they tell you 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.560 did find that was a complete surprise. Yeah. When they 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.080 reached out and I was like this is not real 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.520 and I was like, hey, do we know anything about this? 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.960 And they were like you're going on. I'm like, okay, 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.000 let's do this. I want to get into There's a 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.320 lot to impact with what you just said about, like 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:11.120 how you actually got on the show, like you ended 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.679 the relationship, which is, I know, something you and Gabby 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:18.320 had talked about. But starting out just fresh Night one 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:23.560 taken back to rite out of the Limos. Oh, yes, 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.080 I mean we all we all say everyone nervous. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.160 that's that's the one word everyone uses fresh and Limo 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.440 is blacked out. But when you came out right away, 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.200 were you pretty much fully focused on Gabby or were 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.200 you like both of these women are beautiful. They're both great. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.760 Let's explore. Yeah, for the most part, Um, you know, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.560 I didn't have any expectations or anything, and I thought 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.199 they were both beautiful. So I feel like I was 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.600 going to go off of who I vibed with more, 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.120 and you know, I kind of left that door open 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.520 for you know, up until the first group date. And then, um, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.080 as you guys saw, I got the group date Rose, 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:03.320 and I think that's when I knew. I was like, 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.760 Gabby's all the way we did see the group date 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:11.600 rowse Um the Speedo pageant right, Oh my god, Yeah 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:18.639 I did that. I forgot. I'm so proud. I worked 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.280 my ass off for that. I'm good. I resolutely I 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.400 wish Right now, He's like, I actually have that group 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:30.480 date Rose right behind me. I speed You kept it. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.840 It's hanging on his bulletin board behind him every course. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.480 I kept it. Yeah, I got it. Okay, but will 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.880 you wear it whether you were on vacation to a beach. 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.359 That's done. I hung that up. Yeah, He's like, you 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.359 might see more of it one day, who knows that? 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:53.960 So Okay, you won the first group date Rose. It 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.879 was exciting, but then you had a few weeks. It 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.840 wasn't until Belgium that you got the first one on one. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.040 So in between that time, when you were on group 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.719 date after group date, at any point were you feeling 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:08.639 kind of down of like when is it going to 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.760 be my turn? I need that time, or like that 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.120 that weird limbo phase before you got that one on one, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.480 like where was your mind at? Yeah, no, for sure, 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.280 I think you know, I explained it as kind of 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:25.040 like an emotional roller coaster, because you know there's potential 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.359 and you know that this could you know, be your person, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:32.439 but you're just getting these small foundations. So you know, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.760 it was just it was small foundations that we kept 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.920 building and building, and I was super upset, you know, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.119 every time I didn't get the one on one. But 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.080 I just knew when I did get that one on one, 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.639 we had build such a solid small foundation that it 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:47.000 would be that much more amazing. And that's how I 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.919 kind of looked at it through the whole process, because 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:53.280 even I think this week, Gabby talks about how like 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.280 your confidence, you know, you're the cool guy, you have confidence. 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.919 Was there ever a moment though, where you started to 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.600 doubt that and just feel uneasy before that one on 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.640 one for sure. I feel like, I mean I kind 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.800 of come into this whole thing not feeling so confident, 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.800 and you know it's hard when there's thirty three, you know, 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.720 amazing people there. So you know, I think you feel 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:20.600 that the whole time. At least I did. And yeah, 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.439 I lost checking the question. I apologize. So just to 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.720 add on kind of to what Michelle was asking, I mean, 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.760 I I was in your position many moons ago where 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.760 I will remember, I mean I had a slightly different 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.000 position than you because I actually got the very first 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.880 one on one, but then there were I think it 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:41.880 was like a five week span where I didn't get 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.520 another one on one day and't have that like real 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.640 alone intimate time with somebody, and people in between come 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:50.840 back from these dates and they're like, oh, I established 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.560 such a start connection, Like I'm totally into this girl, 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.360 like there is something there. She could be my potential partner. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.159 And for you, I mean, you didn't get that one 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.680 on one for five weeks. I'm sure you're seeing guys 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.480 come home week after week. No. If you you definitely 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:06.679 get in your feelings, you know, and then you're talking 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:08.680 to them and you kind of realize the amazing time 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.000 they had, and then you start to feel like you're 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:14.600 you know, like you did build this crazy good foundation. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.320 Then you're like, okay, well, now where's it going. You know, 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.280 you kind of ride this roller coaster up and now 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.159 you're like coming back down, so you're kind of just 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.160 waiting for that up again. So yeah, like I said, 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:25.800 it was an up and down roller coaster with me, 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.880 and I would go through there was days where I felt, 0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.400 you know, awful, where I was like, Okay, maybe I'm 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.560 not the one and maybe I don't deserve to be here. 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:35.960 And then you know, I speak with her for ten 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:37.879 or fifteen minutes, I'm like, no, one hundred percent or 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:42.560 something there, let's keep going. Yeah, that's amazing though, even 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.320 just because it's such an unnatural situation, you two always 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.480 seem to almost just not miss a beat, and so 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:53.440 you finally receive your one on one. Oh yeah, what 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:55.320 do you say? Wait, what do you say? Miss a beat? 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:58.280 I'm just pictures the part where you guys are on 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.400 your dates, smacking each other the leaves, like, definitely did 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:09.639 not miss any beats in that moment. Terrible. Yeah, well, 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.160 you have to be enjoying yourself in that moment. Yeah, 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.240 I like Loki loved it. But you know we're not 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:19.359 going to talk about that. Gabby. The little freak flag 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.480