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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's Wednesday, and that means that we are

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Speaker 2: recapping our old shows with all new commentary and updates

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Speaker 2: and insights.

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Speaker 1: Today we're looking back at episode eighty five, which we

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Speaker 1: named You're not going to believe us. We named it

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Speaker 1: Live at the Boulder Theater.

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Speaker 2: How how do we come up with these things? So

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Speaker 2: this is our live show in you guessed it, Boulder, Colorado,

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Speaker 2: and this episode originally came out September seventh, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Oh cute, little twenty seventeen, so long ago, a little baby.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's listen to the intro of episode eighty five.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Bolder? I was like, see, they don't like

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Speaker 1: it when I do it.

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Speaker 2: It's only were embarrassing that we didn't turn our own

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Speaker 2: fucking mics on.

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Speaker 4: We've never had to, I mean, so, well, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we said it.

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Speaker 1: We've reset it ever since the one time I walked

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Speaker 1: out here and like, what's up and pointed at the

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Speaker 1: upper and there was nobody there. Now go on, just

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Speaker 1: to make.

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Speaker 2: There was no well here's oh they're here. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh they're fucking here. Yeah, and they're here for revenge.

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Speaker 2: I actually told Georgia earlier. I was like, so just

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Speaker 2: be aware. It's like a it's a much smaller room,

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Speaker 2: so just know if they're quiet doesn't mean we're doing bad.

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Speaker 2: It's just smaller. And we step out and you may

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Speaker 2: have popped my ear drop. I'm not sure. O.

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Speaker 1: God, Yeah, the show won't go on if our ear

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Speaker 1: drums are pops, or it would be really funny, or.

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Speaker 2: It would be see if we could loud and quiet

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Speaker 2: the same time.

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Speaker 1: Last night we were at Denver, and you guys are cooler.

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Speaker 2: Pander ring, pandering, pandering.

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is my favorite bard of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's Karen cole Garret.

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Speaker 1: I'm charge at heart star.

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Speaker 5: Who didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Who was who.

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Speaker 2: I didn't I'm happy to learn you are so high

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Speaker 2: on altitude sickness right now.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I fucking hit that oxygen.

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Speaker 5: Take that sage so hard.

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Speaker 1: And thank you to the Boulder Theater for coming on

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Speaker 1: the hurt. Someone needed oxygen, come on down. I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god.

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Speaker 2: They actually they actually said we heard someone was light headed.

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Speaker 2: Do they need oxygen?

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Speaker 6: And she was like, yeah, I'll have some oxygen.

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Speaker 1: My god, because I woke up from a nap, which

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Speaker 1: I mean like okay, and then I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is we're gonna turn into.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a blue velvet situation in like a month,

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Speaker 2: or just like, could we have our oxygen tanks on stage?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I know we're below sea level. It doesn't matter. We

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Speaker 2: do what we want.

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Speaker 1: We've been blaming everything that's happened on OX on the

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Speaker 1: what's it called altitude altitude?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine, We're fine since we've been here.

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Speaker 1: Some real funny shit that is not.

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Speaker 5: Because of altitude. There's all those hurt altitude.

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Speaker 2: Your shoes hurt, there's been everyone's gotten really comfortable with

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Speaker 2: the farting situation, which is just belching. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: were we used to be so modest, and it's just

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Speaker 2: like their air has to come out of me and

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Speaker 2: we can't pretend anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta say it's a little bone because like

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Speaker 1: sometimes I want I like fart in a funny way

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Speaker 1: to be like hey, like punctuated, and I did it

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Speaker 1: and like nobody laughed, So I was like.

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Speaker 2: Did I send that? Sorry? Wait a second, you like

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Speaker 2: intro your fart like a hey, and then.

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Speaker 1: A fir no, I say a dumb joke and then

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Speaker 1: I'm like punk, like you know, just like to be

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Speaker 1: like you.

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Speaker 2: Physically punctuate the joke. Kill me if I have to fart.

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Speaker 5: You do like I do on purpose.

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Speaker 2: You do like an unspoken pull my finger.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes.

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Speaker 2: How come I don't fucking know this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you don't. I've done it many

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Speaker 1: times in front of you and Stephen Steven, oh, Karen,

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Speaker 1: Stephen is at home right now. I figured you guys would.

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Speaker 6: No, we don't.

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Speaker 5: We leave him at home.

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Speaker 1: He's not that great.

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Speaker 2: It's mostly the hair, you guys for it.

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Speaker 1: We don't tell him he's coming, and he's like waiting

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Speaker 2: We just don't pick him up.

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Speaker 1: It's not like that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe next time, Stephen, h we forgot.

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Speaker 5: It's like home alone.

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Speaker 1: He's crying the all the time, but in the heart

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Speaker 1: with like Macaulay Culkin, who's just like little Girl came

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Speaker 1: Malone with like a mustache on Cats, which would be

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Speaker 1: a better film.

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Speaker 2: And you know it.

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Speaker 1: He has a pet cube, which basically means you can

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Speaker 1: spy on who's ever taken care of your cat, and

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Speaker 1: that it was like a laser thing and he's on it.

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Speaker 1: He like set up basically a hidden camera in my

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Speaker 1: house to himself.

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Speaker 2: He nanny cammed himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah wow, And I think he can put it online.

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Speaker 1: So maybe you can watch cat's sleep support.

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Speaker 2: Is this a new business of yours where you're like

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Speaker 2: and for nine you too can watch it even if

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Speaker 2: my cats sit.

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Speaker 1: One cent goes to the a SPCI one scent of

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Speaker 1: every just one cent total, just one.

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Speaker 2: Cent, we'll go to every We had a vet.

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Speaker 1: We had a vet come to the meet angry yesterday

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Speaker 1: like cool pet toys, which was so nice. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: you now have to jam into your suitcase. They're the

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Speaker 2: I like that you're just bragging about presents. Now. You're like, hey,

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Speaker 5: Right now, So right now I will.

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Speaker 2: Well for if it's bragging time, then I would like

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Speaker 2: to brag about my big foot necklace, which I so

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Speaker 2: it's funny on different levels. Yeah, go ahead and tell

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Speaker 1: One is that it's big foot, So you're like, that's

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Speaker 2: You know, are gonna say that that's funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also funny because it's fucking awesome. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: funny because when you saw it, we both been down.

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Speaker 5: And hit heads.

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Speaker 2: I forgot about that part. Oh fuck. I was like

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Speaker 2: I when I do things like that, were was like

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Speaker 1: I had glasses on, so they kind of like stamped

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Speaker 5: It was worth it.

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Speaker 1: So it was that Buffalo Exchange because this like lovely

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really loves Buffalo Exchange.

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Speaker 1: I think they worked there, And so we went and

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I just hot outside walking and we're kind

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Speaker 2: It was it was as if she had placed herself

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Speaker 4: Shut that fuck.

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Speaker 2: It's very bizarre. I think she did it.

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Speaker 1: I think she's been stocking us because she was like, here,

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Speaker 1: I have a present that I just bought you like

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't accuse that on stage.

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Speaker 5: I would bet you wouldn't love that way.

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Speaker 1: She's lovely and talented, so she knew where we were

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Speaker 5: Us go to Buffalo Change.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But then what she got. She went there opening

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Speaker 1: Aunt.

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Speaker 2: You're right, it did work. So I'm just saying anything

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Speaker 2: If you're wearing a big foot necklace that's in parentheses

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Speaker 1: And you expect the worst and people like they're yelling

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Speaker 2: Front door, Shut the front door. I just take as

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Speaker 5: Yell at you.

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Speaker 2: It's like, it's there's all the air conditioning in here.

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Speaker 1: You're letting the air condition out. We were gonna talk

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Speaker 2: We like to do a little prayer before we walk

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Speaker 1: But before you applaud us Christians, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's an abomination, it's not look, we just try to

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Speaker 2: this correctly. For all of you who have waited so

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Speaker 2: show to start. Yeah, so last night.

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Speaker 1: We want to connect because we've been like we're running

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Speaker 2: Like, okay, you I'm getting a defibrillator. It's all crazy

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Speaker 2: shit back there.

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Speaker 1: So we wanted to be like, all right, you mean,

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Speaker 1: you mean, you mean and then we just start saying words.

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Speaker 2: We got, like dear, and then we pick a deity

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Speaker 2: that we enjoy or like a person we like. Just

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Speaker 2: so many fun Taylor Swift and last night I said

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Speaker 2: dear Buddha, but there was a that video was playing

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Speaker 2: and Georgia said dear group on and then we're like,

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Speaker 2: the prayer's over. That's all we need to say. We're

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Speaker 2: ready to do the show.

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Speaker 5: That was it? Tonight was a lot more heart fault.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we both journaled and feeling pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I feel like suddenly I don't want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the house we went to today.

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Speaker 2: Oh are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: When do we do that? It was we were here,

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Speaker 1: we went to Mark and Mindy's house.

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Speaker 5: No that's not true.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's where every murdering know in the nation

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Speaker 2: Though? The two of them were like, we hate attention

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Speaker 5: We'll be the question that just sticks in our mind.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just something to talk about therapy next time.

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Speaker 5: That you when you go, when you and Adrian go together.

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Speaker 2: I go to therapy with everyone. I know it's necessary.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Should we do? You want to talk about

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't want to talk about Okay,

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Speaker 5: Oh man, what a time it was. Fuck? We have

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Speaker 1: Look at Stephen made Stephen like made our slides look legit.

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Speaker 1: He's earning his keep.

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Speaker 2: That was for you, Steven. He listens to all these

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Speaker 1: Stephen cut that out. Cut that cut all this out,

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Speaker 2: Out, The compliment goes, cheering for you goes and we're

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Speaker 1: And we're back You know, I didn't give a shit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I could tell I stop being nervous

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Speaker 2: So I was just like, what a dream come true? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Jesus, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I was like I woke up and I didn't know

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Speaker 1: Listen to n I'm one one calls I'm never gonna

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Speaker 2: also making sure people understand, hey, we did it and

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Speaker 1: And it is a good point of like we didn't

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Speaker 1: want to be identified as someone who does that. Yes,

450
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: so yeah, I remember it very well.

451
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: Me too, and I also think it's that we're doing

452
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 2: this and we're looking and da da da, and we're

453
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,439
Speaker 2: pointing at the house, and it's like it's still a

454
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: cold case. I think there's that piece too, where it's

455
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 2: like the interest is not the house, the interest is

456
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: not the street. It's like what people have to kind

457
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 2: of refocus sometimes refocus the interest. It's still compelling because

458
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: we don't know what happened, Like we need to know

459
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: what happened because a very violent, horrible thing happened, and

460
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: what if it happened again after.

461
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: It's like I think we're so used to seeing it

462
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: on TV and in movies where you can get a spoiler,

463
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: you can rewind it, and then suddenly the actual house

464
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: being there, it's like you can almost you still feel

465
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: the horror of what happened without any answers, right, it's

466
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: just like.

467
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 5: It's just it felt bad and really sad.

468
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: And I think that distance piece where and we've talked

469
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: about this before, the distance of these cases from us

470
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: in our lives was so far away when the podcast started, Yeah,

471
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: and then just slowly but surely we came right up

472
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: to it where we're like, oh, that's right, Like now

473
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 2: we have a responsibility or now we have like we

474
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: need a point of view here that is the good

475
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: point of view. We need to do the thing that's

476
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: any option is available right now, we need to be

477
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,719
Speaker 2: conveying the one that is best for all of us

478
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: kind of idea, which is like wild to consider.

479
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think later in this exact tour,

480
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: we went to Georgia to Atlanta and someone was like,

481
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 1: are you going to go to her grave? And I

482
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: think we said absolutely not. Like having had this experience right,

483
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: was just like we now know what the boundary is

484
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: and like, let's try to stick on the right side

485
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: of that.

486
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's keep our eyes out for that where it's like,

487
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: this is what are we actually doing? All of that

488
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: is good, it's good to ask yourself. Yeah, the answer

489
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: we have is we don't know. We will do our best.

490
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: We try we do, we'll still fuck up and we'll

491
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: try to learn.

492
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's right, all right, should get into your

493
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: story now, sure, we're about to listen to Georgia's story

494
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: about John agru.

495
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 5: Should we who's first tonight?

496
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: First?

497
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 5: Shall we get into the ship.

498
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 1: Let's take the necessary moment of you turning to your

499
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: friend that you brought who doesn't know anything about the murder.

500
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: He like, because your friend who was in Tesscot sick

501
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: and you were like, Danny, will you go with me?

502
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 6: Please?

503
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: I don't want to go alone. I have anxiety. And

504
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, goh, what is it. It's just a

505
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: cool comedy show. Now you can let them know that

506
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: here's when the horror starts. Yeah, we are not bad people.

507
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: We're good people talking about bad things. Ready, and it's

508
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 2: your town, so it's your fault.

509
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 5: Thank you?

510
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: All right, Voulder, You guys had I want to say not.

511
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was impressed and then got stressed out

512
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: because you don't have a ton ton.

513
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: You have like the all day one. You have kind

514
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: of the.

515
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 5: Queen Queen, which we can't do. Obviously we did it.

516
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then all right, but you also have you

517
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: also have a guy named John A. Grou I think

518
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying that right.

519
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 5: Okay.

520
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: So I got a lot of this from a dude

521
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: named Kurt Mitchell from Denver Post Cold Case section what's Lemmy.

522
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: I was just thinking that maybe he's our uber driver,

523
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: dude Kurt Mitchell that drove us here. I wrote this

524
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: on the.

525
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: Way over because he wrote this whole thing and he

526
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: was contacted by someone in the case to like help

527
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: solve it. She's just pretty fucking I want someone to

528
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: please do that for us, but also solve it yourself

529
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: and then just say that we did it all right?

530
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 5: Can I keep selling?

531
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: No? You had to jump in Okay.

532
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: On July one, nineteen eighty two, two fishermen who were

533
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: looking for a good spots of fish and Boulder Canyon

534
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: discovered not a mannequin, the decaying body of a young

535
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: woman who was covered only by a towel. She had

536
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: eleven knife wounds in her chest and two in her neck.

537
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: There was a back Her backpack was nearby, and police

538
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: were able to identify her based on that as Susan

539
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: Susie Becker. Susie is her nickname. She's twenty years old.

540
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: Susie was last seen on the morning of June twentieth,

541
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, so like a little less than a

542
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: month before.

543
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: She was raised Catholic.

544
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 5: She liked to listen to.

545
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: Music.

546
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in music, let's call it what you got rastafarian,

547
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna be able to pronounce that reggae.

548
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: No Rastafarian. I can pronounce it's the Wharton Naya Bingie.

549
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: If anyone can do it, it's you guys Boulder.

550
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

551
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: I think she was kind of like a hippie free spirity,

552
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: like there we have oh, we have a photo of her.

553
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: Can you put up the photo of her? Please?

554
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: There you go.

555
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like a sweet little baby angel, hippiees,

556
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: free spirit.

557
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 5: Okay, so I think she'd.

558
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: Take it back down.

559
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,239
Speaker 1: Now, Let's not bomb everyone up too much? Not then, well,

560
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: I how about let's bomb everyone out now? Then a

561
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: week after Seusie's body was discovered, a second body was

562
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: found nearby, ninety four year old Ormas Smith.

563
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 5: And you can put her picture up.

564
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: A retired librarian who went missing days earlier.

565
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: Look at her.

566
00:27:54,560 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: It's everyone's grandma from the seventies, a retired life she

567
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: had gone missing days earlier, was discovered face down in

568
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: a stream in big Elk's Meadow big Elk Meadows near

569
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: SD Park, near SD Park.

570
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: Is that it is? That?

571
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 6: It?

572
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: One? Big sound?

573
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: S says Park Joe.

574
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Just keep going?

575
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: Thank you?

576
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 5: On July what what? There's a lot of essays.

577
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: On July ninth, nineteen eighty two, So two bodies in

578
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: like eight days. If I can do the math. Okay,

579
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: investigator's got a break in the case on July fifteenth,

580
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, when a fifty year old man named

581
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: John Argue it says it's agrew a grew agrew grew.

582
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: They don't know. I know, and I usually don't listen.

583
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: So a man threatened a man the sky. John threat

584
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: twenty six year old University of Colorado student with a knife,

585
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: but she had escaped and he was caught minutes later.

586
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: So I think like she was like fuck you, and

587
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: like neighbors must have been like, let's get him. I'm

588
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: guessing he was caught minutes later and arrested. John was

589
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: on parole. He had moved to Colorado in nineteen eighty

590
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: two after getting out of prison. In nineteen sixty six,

591
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: John had been convicted of fatally stabbing his fourteen year

592
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: old sister in law, Susan Marino.

593
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: Sounds like a dick.

594
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: He he had dumbed his sister in law's body in

595
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: a stream in Illinois and had been sentenced to prison

596
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: for a term of twenty to fifty years. Guess how

597
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: many he got too you're all wrong, but he was

598
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: released on good behavior after sixteen years because he was

599
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: a good guy in prison. John turned out to be

600
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: the Orma, the ninety four year old librarian's neighbor and

601
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: a close acquaintance of hers. She was a super friendly

602
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: woman and she would often let John come in and

603
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: use her phone to make calls, and he drove her

604
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: around town on errand's. He drove her around town on

605
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: errands like they were. He obviously became the main subjects

606
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: and they when they learned also that he would go

607
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: hiking in Boulder Canyon, so where the bodies were found.

608
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: So John refused to speak to authorities, and prosecutors determined

609
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: there wasn't enough evidence to file charges against him in

610
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: either Susie or Orma's murders, but the attention kidnapping charges

611
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: were filed in the case of the co ed who escaped,

612
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and he was convicted of attempted abduction. He remained in

613
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: prison until nineteen eighty nine, and then twenty one years

614
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: later twenty one yeah. John's niece Cora Amy Amy, who

615
00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: lives in Jollette, Illinois Juliet Joe Lee I'm Joliet, Illinois,

616
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: became terrified of her, of her uncle, because he had

617
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: told her that he had killed an old woman in Colorado,

618
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: just just chatting. I bet they were drunk, right, How

619
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: old was she were they? She was she was grown up?

620
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, yeah. So she got terrified of

621
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: him because he said this, and he seemed to regret

622
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: telling her that. Yeah, the morning after, you're the morning after, like, oh.

623
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: What did I say that?

624
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: John?

625
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: Did I tell Megan she should get her lip wax?

626
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: Probably no one to tell people.

627
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: Or it was like the moment after where he's like,

628
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: I killed this old warmth. Oh dang it.

629
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: So she he started to just like stand outside her

630
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: apartment at all hours of the night and threaten her.

631
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: So she got a straining order.

632
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: Against him, and he she said, he had said to her,

633
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: you know how to kill someone and get away with it.

634
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Just become just become their friend and then anything police

635
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: get they can't use against you because you're their friend

636
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: and it was okay for you to be there.

637
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: It's like you were It's falty logic. Yeah, using a

638
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: couple of rules there, or a.

639
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Couple moral fucking basics like don't kill your friends.

640
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did he watch growing up?

641
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: Because just just fucking just Barney, just constant Barney.

642
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah a lot.

643
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: So she called crime reporter Kirk Mitchell, the dude whose

644
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: article I got this from the Denver Posts, and she

645
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: asked if he would be interested in ranning a cold

646
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: case blog about the unsolved murder case of her aunt.

647
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: So she gave him all this information about him and

648
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: what he how he had killed his sister in law

649
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: all these years ago, and kind of was like, here's

650
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: all this information. Can you believe this person is not

651
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: in prison? Clearly he maybe he did these. So it

652
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: was twenty one years later. So because of this, they

653
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 1: reopened the case, and she called the Lamier County Sheriff's office,

654
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: Lamur Larimer.

655
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: It's obviously Larimer, Larimer.

656
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: What's nice about having a smaller crowd is that you

657
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: can hear what they're screaming at you, which I appreciate

658
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: because now I actually fix these.

659
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: I mean that we should have done a dry run through, yeah,

660
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: with pronunciations only.

661
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: Why then we wouldn't be this podcast anymore. She told

662
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: investigators at her uncle's murder confession, and they had always

663
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: thought he was a subject in all these other crimes,

664
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: So they reopened the investigation. Awesome way to go, Kurt Mitchell.

665
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like he's kind of a

666
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: hero in this. You know that he fuck.

667
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay.

668
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: Investigators learned that John had several purses and personal items

669
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: that had belonged to him to women that his family

670
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: had already thrown all the.

671
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: Way items away.

672
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think they were just like, you

673
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: went to prison, let's get rid of all this.

674
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: Well, let's get rid of his purses.

675
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were just like everyone gets rid of people's

676
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: purses when they go to prison.

677
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: He won't use them when he gets out. They'll be

678
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: out of style, they're thinking to themselves, totally.

679
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Okay. So DNA extracted from cigarettes that had picked up

680
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: near Smith's body. Thank god, they fucking save them. I

681
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: definitively connected John to her death, but before authorities had

682
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: a viable case. He died of an overdose of medications.

683
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 2: What kind of medication?

684
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 5: Medications?

685
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: Just just some medication? Pick them oxygen and oxygen?

686
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 5: Tank I did oxygen.

687
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: Take a hand heroine? Oh my god, I'm screwed.

688
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: Why would you combine like that?

689
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 5: Doesn't make sense.

690
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: When it was ruled an accidental death. So Lara County

691
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: authorities officially closed Smith's case though the Sweet Angel in

692
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: twenty ten, but they're rule they're reviewing murders committed in

693
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: Illinois in the fifties and sixties before John Grew was

694
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: convicted of murder and they're looking at murders in Colorado

695
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: between January of eighty two until he was arrested in

696
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: August of eighty two, as well as murders near Juliet, Illinois,

697
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: from the time he was released from prison eighty nine.

698
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: His Becker's murder public announcement was made that the case

699
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: was closed, so he never got They had a suspect

700
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: he did it, but he never got brought to justice.

701
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: And uh, that's a bummer. But at least he's dead.

702
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 5: And yeah, and now Sean grew he.

703
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: Self medicated himself off this planet, Thank you Jesus. Yeah, yeah,

704
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Yeah, So they think he did other murders

705
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: before he had to have Yeah, yeah, that's some that's him.

706
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: Hold on, ye oh, hello, that's Stephen like one poundred.

707
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if you part that hair and grow it

708
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: out on one side and put some nice curls into

709
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: it and put a cat in his hands and it's over.

710
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: Constantly be smiling and constantly be nice.

711
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: And people so nice and never touch knives and not

712
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: want to hurt harm one thing.

713
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's him dead dead match.

714
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, So if you if anyone, I feel

715
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: like they just need to go back and look at

716
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: his like phone book and be like, these were his friends,

717
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Let's call him and see if they're still alive.

718
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: You had to just start on the phone tree totally.

719
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, here's the thing. Did that ever come

720
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: at you with a knife or anything?

721
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: Okay, we're back.

722
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: Are there updates for this one?

723
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: There actually aren't any updates on this case. And we

724
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: checked our email and there's no hometowns, which I'm really

725
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: surprised by because it seems like a big one.

726
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, send us some in. If you know more about

727
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: this case, or you have anything to tell us, you

728
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: should email us.

729
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: We always want to hear your connection to like a

730
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: story we've already covered. It doesn't matter that we already

731
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: covered it, like, we always want to hear about that.

732
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, all right, should we get into your story?

733
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: Yes?

734
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: Okay, let's listen to Karen's story about what if you

735
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: said no?

736
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: Thanks? You know what I gotta go. I actually I

737
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: was laughing because this is one of my favorite stories. Like,

738
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: the first time I heard about it. This is what

739
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: I'm in it for. Right here?

740
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: Why what about it?

741
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: A creepy guy in the attic?

742
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: Oh, you love people in walls and living in the attic,

743
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: and get over.

744
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 2: Sorry, there's been someone up there, but what can you imagine?

745
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: Not scared of it, because I think I would have

746
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: heard something, but no, like I think my senses are

747
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: better than my spidy senses are better than they probably

748
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: really are.

749
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: We'll see, Okay, we'll see when we get that for

750
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: you go back from your attic.

751
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: Wait, you you've been filming for my attic the whole time.

752
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: I've actually been living in your attic this whole time.

753
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: You need to pay more attention.

754
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Okay, you're right, all right, let's listen to Karen's story

755
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: about Theodore Edward Coney's.

756
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: Well, he's going first, because now I'm Justina. Right here's

757
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: my thing. Of all the stories that I looked up,

758
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: I picked one that actually took place in Denver because

759
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 2: it's a story that has all the things that I love.

760
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: And this is my podcast, so so I'd like to

761
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: tell you all a story you probably know because it

762
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: didn't happen too far away.

763
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 5: Thirty six minutes.

764
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: It's the Spider Man of Denver.

765
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 5: I don't know. It's fun.

766
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to make a joke about the guy

767
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: that starred in Spider Man, but there's been so many

768
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: that it would everyone would be like, that's not real

769
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 2: Spider Man. Toby, what's his name?

770
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: All right?

771
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: Denver, nineteen forty one. Phil Peters, a seventy three year

772
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: old railroad auditor, lives in a modest home at thirty

773
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: three thirty five west Montcreef Place with his wife in Denver, Colorado.

774
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: On October third, she breaks her hip and is hospitalized.

775
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: So since Phil is going to be home alone, his

776
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: very lovely, nice neighbor tells him that while she's in

777
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: the hospital, he can come over for dinner at her

778
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: house every night. No, so, so he does it. He

779
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: comes over to her house every night for two weeks

780
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: until she's.

781
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: Like can I just don't know how much more I

782
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: can talk to him about the weather.

783
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 2: I don't like trains that much, so so the night

784
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: of October seventeenth, Phil doesn't show up for dinner and

785
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: she gets really worried so because he's seventy three. And

786
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: so she goes over to the house to check if

787
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: he's okay, and all the lights are out and the

788
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: front door's locked, and when she knocks, he doesn't come

789
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 2: to the door, and that makes her more worried because

790
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: she doesn't think he has anywhere else to go. So

791
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: she gets a bunch of neighbors together and says, I'm

792
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: worried about Phil. I'm afraid he phil down inside the

793
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: house or something. I just made that up. Let's write

794
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: the scene. Phil is such a good friend and he

795
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: loves my cooking, she said to her neighbors.

796
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: She really just the reality is she just cleared to

797
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: buy some milk.

798
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, she was like, guys, guys, gather around. I need

799
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 5: to get into Phil's house so I can get some milk.

800
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to make a pie. And Phil owes

801
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: me big time. He's eating beef stroke off at my

802
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: house every fucking night for two weeks.

803
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: Hot dish.

804
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So the neighbors go all around the house. They

805
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: split up in my mind, and they go all around

806
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: the house checking doors and windows. They're all locked. There's

807
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: this house is locked up tight there's they can't get in,

808
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: so a girl finds a loose window screen and pulls

809
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: it open. They figure out a way to jimmy the

810
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: window up. They basically break into the house. She climbs

811
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: into the window. They wait, beat four five also made up.

812
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 5: They wait screaming.

813
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: They hear screaming. It turns out that she came upon

814
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: the murdered body of Phil Peters. He was half dressed,

815
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: He was horribly beaten. He had more than twelve wounds

816
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: in his skull.

817
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: I feel so bad that I was like, Okay, he's

818
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: gonna come over for her.

819
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: Hot dish and kill her. That's what I thought.

820
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: Phil was the man that sounds like, don't come on,

821
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: where's she gonna talk about fucking weather? Until he murders her.

822
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: Now I feel really bad. Yeah, sorry, Phil, it's okay.

823
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: I just got a message from Phil. He says, it's fine.

824
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: It actually used to happen to him along. Okay, he

825
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: was really creepy. They find The police find his watch

826
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: and cash on the dresser, so they rule out robbery

827
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: as the motive, But they also realize, and they're told

828
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: and check and see that this house is locked up tight,

829
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: including the chain being across the front door, which means

830
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: that there is a chance that the perpetrator is still in.

831
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no.

832
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: Now. In my movie version of this, they all realize

833
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: that at the same time, the neighbors and the cops.

834
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: They're in a circle and they're like, well, if that.

835
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Right, so, like someone go in there and see, so

836
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: I should go in.

837
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 5: Here's my gun.

838
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: The cops like to the girl that went through the window, honey,

839
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: go upstairs.

840
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: Ye see if there's a man hiding see our nightstick.

841
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the cops start searching the house and uh,

842
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: they they scour it. They look every single place for

843
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: somebody that could have just murdered Phil Peters that's hiding

844
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: in the house. How creepy would that be? Now, But

845
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: they can't find anything. The whole place is emptied. No

846
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 2: one is in there. The only thing that they find

847
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: that's even like of interest is like a trap door

848
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: for an attic, but it's so small that there's no

849
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: way a person kaya get up there. So they're like,

850
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: all right, well, we don't know what happens.

851
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 5: It's well, I mean whatever.

852
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: So, uh, they're baffled, and the case comes to a standstill.

853
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: Now Meanwhile, Missus Peters, whose name I never learned, because

854
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: who gives a shit of what the wife's name is.

855
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 2: She's joking, that's not what I'm saying. It's I literally

856
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: checked like seven articles and she was always Missus Peters.

857
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: It was nineteen forty. Let's all be grateful that we

858
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: live in twenty seventeen. So yeah, so, uh, Missus Peters

859
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: has been in the hospital with a broken hip. Hey honey,

860
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: we have her husband. Yeah. A nurse is like, I

861
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: have some news. Now open your mouth and put a

862
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: pill in it. Let just take this pill. We don't

863
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: know what your name is, but open your mouth.

864
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: And yes, nobody knew what her name was, Missus Peters.

865
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 5: Her name was Missus.

866
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: They were like, Jude, shit, that's not Judy.

867
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 5: Sounds right.

868
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: So she has to go home now. In the amount

869
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: of time between the murder and Missus Peters still being

870
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 2: in the hospital, the neighborhood hood starts to get kind

871
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: of freaked out because neighbors start hearing noises in the

872
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: house and then the cops come and they check the

873
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: whole house and there's nothing.

874
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: Let's also forget about that thing again in the ceiling.

875
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: Goodbye, Oh good call, good call, bookmark that one. Yeah.

876
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: Then there's a group of kids walking by when one morning,

877
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: one snowing morning, was liveing now live, and they look

878
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: up and they see a ghoulish face looking out the

879
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: window at them.

880
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: Oh, don't ever look up.

881
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 5: Children should never look up.

882
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: Look down't always. So they uh again call the police.

883
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: The police go in search the hire house and nobody's there.

884
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: So so then basically the neighborhood starts talking that the

885
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: Peter's house is haunted by Phil Peters who got murdered

886
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: inside the house. He's still in there, his body's so.

887
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 5: You mean that it was winter, you mean the ghost

888
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 5: got it.

889
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: The cops are like, we're just gonna leave him here

890
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: for a while. Figures some shit out. So by the

891
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: time missus Peters returns, Gladys Peters returns to the home. Gladys,

892
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: I be that has a nice flow to it.

893
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 5: Gladys Peters, I think that's it.

894
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: By the time she gets back the whole she knows

895
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: on the that the whole neighborhood thinks her house is haunted,

896
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: but so she uh stays there. I actually think the

897
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: real thing that happened is she was there and in

898
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: this one article I read it said, uh, while she

899
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: was in the house, she was startled and she fell

900
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: and rebroke her leg. Oh yeah, fucking gladys, she's had

901
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: it hard.

902
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 5: Oh man, I want.

903
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: To like the startled thing. I was just like, startled

904
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 2: by what a face in the window.

905
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: So she doesn't like they probably shouldn't have said, hey,

906
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: there's a ghost of your husband in the house. See

907
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: you later, go ahead in there, and.

908
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 6: Then everything thinks she does.

909
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: She's like, ooh, fear up from the shit out of

910
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: an old woman with a fucking broken hope.

911
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about back then they didn't care. They were like,

912
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: we don't care what your name is, and we don't

913
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: care about your hip at all. So she hires a

914
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: nurse to stay with her, and two of them start

915
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: hearing noises.

916
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 5: The nurse is like, no, the nurse is.

917
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 2: Like, I mean it sounds what. So at night they

918
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: both are hearing. The nurse thinks there's something in the walls.

919
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: They're hearing something in the walls, and at first they

920
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: think it was like what everyone says when you hear noises,

921
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: the house is settling. Bullshit.

922
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's four hundred rats. That's the first thing.

923
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: I think it's bees.

924
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: It's so many bees living inside your home.

925
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 5: Or it's a murderer.

926
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: But everyone in this audience would think, and I bet

927
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: they're correct.

928
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see, we'll see page two. So uh sorry,

929
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: I had if I'm a spot. Okay, fuck, here we go.

930
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: The nurse gets up one night because she hears a

931
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: noise in bed. She walks out of her room and

932
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: down and she sees on the backstairs a thin, filthy

933
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: wretch and when she came upon it, it chattered its

934
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: teeth at her. Ah, how do you even do caps?

935
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 2: Can you see that? All caps? It shattered its teeth?

936
00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: How do you do that? Horrible? It's nice with your

937
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: teeth because you have nice teeth, but I have good

938
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: ghost teeth. Ah.

939
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Oh short and scary picture then like they're all pointed.

940
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, shaved down.

941
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: Oh okay, it's for the movie.

942
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: It's for the movie. So I wrote this, and right

943
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: after letting the police know what she saw that night,

944
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: she pieced out as far as she was too humanly possible.

945
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she was like.

946
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: No, thank you so much. She left and missus Peters,

947
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: Maureen Peters is by herself, so a kindly neighbor, perhaps

948
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: the same one making dinner for every fucking body, comes

949
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 2: over and she's like, I'll stay with you.

950
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: No, take her out of the home and take her

951
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: to your house.

952
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: They're like, it's like every it's like every Haunted House

953
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: movie where it's like, you know what, we're gonna make

954
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: this work.

955
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: They always do that, go to a hotel.

956
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: They're like, I know, we saw a child with like

957
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: all black eyes trying to give us a message, but

958
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: let's make it work. Yeah, but maybe I won't.

959
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 5: Maybe I won't see that.

960
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like wheel her over in her gurny to.

961
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Your house where you like to cook and sleep there.

962
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: Maybe take her against her will in her gurney where

963
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: she's strapped down.

964
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, missus Peters not an individual but a wife only.

965
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 5: Right, I don't know that. Everyone's just like I'll cook it.

966
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: Beady boot. Okay, so sleepover. Here's the nice neighbor and

967
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: missus Peters like, come on, goes aren't real. Several nights later,

968
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: the neighbor hears something rattling around in the kitchen, like.

969
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: Are you surprised? Is she surprised at this point? Well?

970
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: No, In fact, she's quite brave because she gets up

971
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: and she runs to the kitchen without turning on any lights.

972
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, could please tell me she has four knives

973
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: in her hand, Like, that's the only way I'd be

974
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: impressed by that.

975
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: She's just like she has scissor hands.

976
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: She slept with knives taped to her hand.

977
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 2: It's the only thing that was going to make a difference.

978
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 1: I hope she didn't have an itch on her face

979
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: at any point.

980
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 4: Uh.

981
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 2: When she gets to the kitchen, she sees a ghost

982
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 2: standing at the foot of the stairs. She said it

983
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 2: was a filthy, wraith like thing that vanished when she screamed.

984
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: Vanished because he ran to the side, just actually just

985
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: in a nice side step, she said, vanish.

986
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, he just sides he crab.

987
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: Walked out of there. Yeah yeah, yeah, uh, And then

988
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: I wrote long story short. Missus Peters went to live

989
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: with her son in western Colorado. So that was it,

990
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: that last one was it. They gave up. They're like, fuck,

991
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 2: this noise all over the place.

992
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 5: I'd have told him that from the beginning.

993
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: So that's from the point, where do you find a

994
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: dead body in a house?

995
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 5: Don't sleep there anymore?

996
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Yeah, but I think back then, it

997
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: was like you buy your house and you pay off

998
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: your mortgage, and then you're retired, and then you and

999
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 2: your husband that used to work at the railroad yard

1000
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1001
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 5: Who's not dead, say there.

1002
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: The one.

1003
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 5: Okay, God, I'm just trying.

1004
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to talk you through it. Sorry, I'm mad.

1005
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm clearly. I just wanted you to see

1006
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: the logic of staying house where multiple times people have

1007
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: spotted ghosts huh and heard terrible things uh huh, keep

1008
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: having and where terrible things happen to.

1009
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Stay living there. I guess I've only lived in like

1010
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: apartments in my life, so I don't get like having

1011
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: an attachment to a house.

1012
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: In anyway like change it great, Okay, we do. We

1013
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: don't know why people make the decision as they make,

1014
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 2: but this is what happened. So finally, now the house

1015
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: is just sitting empty. Okay, there's but because of the

1016
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: rumors of the paranormal or something going on there, the

1017
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: cops stake the house out every once in a while.

1018
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: So one night on July thirtieth, nineteen forty two.

1019
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Ooh, that sounds fun, right, stake out in the forties,

1020
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: take out in the forties.

1021
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: Imagine the coats and the smoking with.

1022
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: The sunflower seed piling up the fucking big old A

1023
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: huge car, a car that's three times the size of

1024
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: any car now, A slurpy size of like popcorning size

1025
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: of hot black coffee.

1026
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's about popcorn in it. Yeah, that's how

1027
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 2: I used to do it.

1028
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: Coffee at Starbucks. Can I have a grande black popcorn coffee,

1029
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: extra butter, extra butter.

1030
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 5: That's gonna be a thing. Okay.

1031
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: So, as they're sitting there watching the house, the mailman

1032
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: comes walking up the street of day, normal day on

1033
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: July thirtieth, nineteen forty two. And as the mailman walks up,

1034
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: one of the cops who's looking still looking at the house.

1035
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: He doesn't give a shit about the mailman. He's still

1036
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: looking at the house. He sees the curtains pop open

1037
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: and a face lookout, and right as it happens, he

1038
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: nudges the other cop, and the other cop turns to

1039
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 2: look as the curtains close, so they're both like it's

1040
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: fucking on, like donkey Kong. They get out of the

1041
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: cop car at.

1042
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: What point, at what point does that first cop change

1043
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: the pants that he peeed.

1044
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: All I can picture is the face of that face

1045
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: that comes up really fast and goes away and the Exorcists.

1046
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: That's all I'm seeing when I think about this face. Oh,

1047
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: really fast.

1048
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: So but this time with like flowered curtains, lace flower

1049
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: forties curtains, maybe even.

1050
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: A Paisley Paisley print, or just a faded linen. In

1051
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: the film. Now, the two cops get out and run

1052
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: to the house while walking on sunshine plays because it's

1053
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: my film, and they get oh, they whistle. They whistle

1054
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: their cop whistles for assistance, which is precious. And then

1055
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: can you do it?

1056
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 5: What can you whistle? I want to hear it.

1057
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: Well, they have whistles, but I have whistle. Think care

1058
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: I get it? No, I asked her, and I can't whistle.

1059
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: So when the audience is like, wait, I can whistle.

1060
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: They have a whistle.

1061
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 5: Got I get Oh, got it?

1062
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 2: I get it now maybe they had whistles too, They're

1063
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: like this is from nineteen forty fucking two, asshole.

1064
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 5: I bought it on eBay.

1065
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: It's the one from the murder. They go into the

1066
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: house immediately hit with the wall of odor. It has

1067
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: like an animal smell. Inside the house, a supposedly empty

1068
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: house for three months. They start they head upstairs and

1069
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: they start searching. And as they're you know, walking down

1070
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 2: the hallway scared. Maybe they're new ones old once.

1071
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: Young's about to have a baby.

1072
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: Like as much so that a baby about to have

1073
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 2: a baby. This one's about to retire. It's too old

1074
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: for this shit. You've seen it, you love it. As

1075
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: they pass a doorway, one of them, I like to

1076
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 2: think it's the one who didn't see the face. So

1077
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 2: it's even one of them. Yeah, passes the doorway, sees

1078
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: a closet door shut. So he goes in. He opens

1079
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: the closet door, and he looks up and there's that

1080
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 2: trap door open with some dirty, dirty feet hanging out

1081
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: of it.

1082
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: Right, we told them to open that door, told them,

1083
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: and they didn't listen.

1084
00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 4: Oh my god, to.

1085
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 5: Hear your ice.

1086
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: The I forgive you for not doing I mean, not

1087
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: that it matters. They forgive you for.

1088
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 5: Not doing a bowl. Ye okay.

1089
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 2: So this cop jumps up and tries to catch a foot.

1090
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: Don't touch it, ew, dirty dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty feet.

1091
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: He instead catches a pant leg and it tears off

1092
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: in his hand and it's like super tattered shitty cinegrades.

1093
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: It's like tired shitty pants, I mean shitty pants.

1094
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 5: That's the new look, the new style tired pants.

1095
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. He jumps up again. Both of his hands catch

1096
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: onto one of those feet, and he fucking yanks it

1097
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: down out of the attic. I know, it feels like

1098
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: a victory.

1099
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 5: Oh oh, that means it's not.

1100
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: And down comes oh my god, Oh my god, am

1101
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: i gon a filthy, amaciated man and tattered clothing named

1102
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: Theodore Comi's who immediately passes out onto the floor. Bullshit,

1103
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: that's like playing bed. Oh you think he's faking it?

1104
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we could.

1105
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: We could play with that in the film where you're

1106
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: not sure if he's really lost consciousness keeps opening one eye.

1107
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: He's like a little kid pretending to sleep where his

1108
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: eyes are moving around too much under his lids. Yeah good,

1109
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: I like this.

1110
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: Someone writes, Steve, when are you writing down our staway script?

1111
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so this man is in his mid sixties, he's

1112
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: five foot ten any weighs one hundred and thirty seven pounds.

1113
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: Whoa quite thin? Yeah. So the whole of this trap door,

1114
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 2: they say, was a little bit less than three times

1115
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: the size of a cigar box. So it's like dank, dank,

1116
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: dank however you would imagine. So no, I think like

1117
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: cigar bocks.

1118
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: Like done a little big, right, Yeah, well then you

1119
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: go right, then you have to go.

1120
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: Don't go wide. They're not end to end, are they.

1121
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 5: It's a square. You're right, I got it.

1122
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. It's very small.

1123
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 5: Listen, I don't know math.

1124
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't know cigars.

1125
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't know cigars. Those are my two only things

1126
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1127
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: Shit, sorry, you should have brief doo. It's a fucking.

1128
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 5: Tiny hole teeny tiny.

1129
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: Uh. So they go up. It was so they go

1130
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: up and they're like, we can't They can't even get

1131
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,479
Speaker 2: up into the attic. The hole is so small because

1132
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: they're normal sized men.

1133
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 5: Do we have any pictures yet? Which is do we

1134
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 5: have pictures?

1135
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: Oh? Maybe?

1136
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: Could I throw a picture up? Let's see what happens?

1137
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: Is that him?

1138
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: There? He is, I'll cleaned up. That's the cleaned up.

1139
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: That's the ghost.

1140
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: He looks like a bummer.

1141
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: He's just really dry and sarcastic.

1142
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's in a band, really angry eyes.

1143
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: Actually looks like what Mimi looks like most of the time,

1144
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: just grumpy as fuck me any from me?

1145
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: Okay. So they look up into this attic. It's got

1146
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: a single light bulb hanging from a wire. He's got

1147
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: a bed that's made of an ironing board.

1148
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 5: Okay, massochist, no, no, no, massacre.

1149
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: He's got like a little bedding. He's got a bunch

1150
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: of megal torn up magazines everywhere. Just said magazines in

1151
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: my movie. Those are straight up triple X porn magazine.

1152
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: He's not looking through like Boy's Life.

1153
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: Or whatever, or what's the what's one of the like

1154
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: nineteen forties, like movie Star.

1155
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,959
Speaker 2: It's not that you will call it movie starf because

1156
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: we won't be able to clear anything else for them.

1157
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 5: Totally right, totally okay.

1158
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 2: And it smells so.

1159
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 5: Bad good he's been shitting in there, hasn't he, Because he's.

1160
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: Been shitting and pissing up there. There's a toilet downstairs.

1161
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: What's the fush? Okay? So what the flush?

1162
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 5: No, of course you did it. Why would you say that?

1163
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: What the flush? No, it's not like that's a that's

1164
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: a mean uh. Okay. So they have to take him

1165
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: to the hospital because he is so thin. They think

1166
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: he's going to die. When he's released from the hospital,

1167
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: he's brought into the police station for questioning, so he

1168
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: tells them the story. Keid So, as a child, he's

1169
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: suffered from such bad health that doctors told his parents

1170
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: he wouldn't live to see his eighteenth birthday.

1171
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 5: And for some reason they told him.

1172
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: That, Uh yeah, They're like, don't get attached any kid,

1173
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: don't tell our kids that they're gonna die. They're like,

1174
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: don't sweat the small stuff. And we really mean that,

1175
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: like really or the big stuff. Try not to sweat.

1176
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: It's bad for you. So so he quit school, which

1177
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: I would do.

1178
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: Some O.

1179
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: He learns to play the mandolin, which is actually kind

1180
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: of perfect.

1181
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 5: That's great.

1182
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: He is in the Mandolin Club in Denver, which I'm

1183
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: sure a lot of you are in also, And that's

1184
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: how he met Phil Peters thirty years prior.

1185
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: WHOA.

1186
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he was a very sickly kind of young

1187
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: man that didn't do that much and you know, had

1188
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: a hard time breathing.

1189
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: It was like, baby, so he's a murderer, murderer.

1190
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: Your response is, O, baby in minds, I rolled my eyes.

1191
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: He can't breathe calm down, Calm down. With your sickness.

1192
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

1193
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: He When he got older, he at one point worked

1194
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: in AD sales. He was also a bookkeeper at the

1195
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: Denver Brass Works AX sales. Yeah, ex bodies praise sales.

1196
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: It was they invented it in nineteen thirty nine. AD sales.

1197
01:02:54,760 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: You said it just smelled like cigarettes back then. AD sales.

1198
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: But his poor health prevented him from ever establishing a career,

1199
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: and so he basically spent most of his adult life

1200
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: as a transient. So by the fall of nineteen forty one,

1201
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: thirty years later, he had just been had been out

1202
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: like on the road, traveling around, and he'd been doing

1203
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: it for so long and just getting sicker and sicker

1204
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 2: because he was spending winters outdoors.

1205
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 5: Do we know what he had?

1206
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: Just like just shitty lungs in the In my movie,

1207
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: the doctor will flip open a like a thing and

1208
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: be like, we're so sorry, Theodore, you've got a case

1209
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: of shit long.

1210
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: And then he'll cry, your lungs that technically just fucking suck.

1211
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's no there's no upside, no cure.

1212
01:03:54,720 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: So he was back in the Denver area around October

1213
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one, and he knew he could not survive

1214
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: another winter outdoors, so he thought, oh, maybe if I

1215
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: go to Phil Peter's house, he will help me out.

1216
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,439
Speaker 2: But when he got to the house, nobody was home

1217
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: and the front door was open because Mildred.

1218
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 5: He was with Mildred in the hospital.

1219
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: That's right.

1220
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 5: What there's is.

1221
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 4: It, aeld wait, I have some wishes.

1222
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 2: So he opens the door and he's like, I'm just

1223
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 2: gonna steal some food.

1224
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fucking starving. Yeah.

1225
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm five ten and I weigh one thirty seven.

1226
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's like what I wear. Nope, that's what

1227
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: I weigh oxygen, but I'm five shorter than that. You're

1228
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: five shorter, so that would be real thin.

1229
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: It would be tough. Yeah, but you can go into

1230
01:04:53,680 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: addicts whenever you want it. It's true upside. So so

1231
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 2: he said, he went in, he stole some food, and

1232
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 2: then realize this was this opportunity. So he started looking

1233
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 2: around the house and he saw that trap door, and

1234
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: he was like, this could be the way that I

1235
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: don't have to be outdoors for the rest of this winter.

1236
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: Or you could have waited for Phil to get home,

1237
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, buddy, I really need a place

1238
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: to say.

1239
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you could, but maybe Phil was just

1240
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: like half a deck. Maybe Phil was just like he

1241
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: was like kind, but he would hold it over you,

1242
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: so he'd be like, sure you can, you can stay

1243
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: and have a banana, and then you need to them

1244
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 2: just stairs. Yeah, just okay, we won't put it in

1245
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: the movie. Fuck the people have spoken?

1246
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: Okay, who plays Phil?

1247
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 2: Good?

1248
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 5: I love this, I love this.

1249
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: Let's work with this one for a minute.

1250
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean, off the cuff. I wanted to say Bill

1251
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 2: Pullman is he but he's older? Isn't he an older man?

1252
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 2: I think is older than Bill pull Them.

1253
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 5: And I think Phil.

1254
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: I think Phil's in his seventies, right, so let's right

1255
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: he was. Then we're doing Tommy Lee Jones as Phil.

1256
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah that's good, right, okay, and it's real. It's gritty

1257
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: and I just like him. One time in La we

1258
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 2: were driving up I think it was You're.

1259
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: Looking at me like I'm gonna just starting naming streets.

1260
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that would that would be the fun thing. Queana,

1261
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 2: let's feel us what area it was?

1262
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: Pantamonic?

1263
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 2: I think it was Dohini where the Four Seasons is? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1264
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 2: and we're driving up it and there's a little bit

1265
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: of traffic and the Four Seasons Hotel, which just very fancy,

1266
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: as you well know, is right there where lots of

1267
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: celebrities go to just hang out. And as we were

1268
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: stopped in traffic, I looked him. There's a black Mercedes

1269
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: and the window rolls down. It's fucking Tommy Lee Jones

1270
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: and I went like this and he was like, he

1271
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 2: gave me the old second Sailors salute. That's a good one.

1272
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: And even in l A, you guys think he's like,

1273
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: we don't see a lot of good ones.

1274
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: No, there's very few, few, few good ones. Yeah, there's

1275
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 2: you'll see some people from the c W. They're beautiful.

1276
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 2: They're very beautiful. Yeah, and similar, but a T LJ.

1277
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 2: You're not going to get that every day. It was

1278
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: fucking magic.

1279
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: I saw Simon Cowell what but out the window of

1280
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: the car I was, and I was in the passenger's

1281
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: side seat, and I saw him. He was he pulled

1282
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: up next to us with his window rolled down. But

1283
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: unfortunately I didn't see him before I had belched loudly

1284
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: out the car window right as fucking Simon Cowell's holds

1285
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: up and is like whatever, like a you know, a

1286
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: car that mas I don't know Masera. Why do people

1287
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: drive their everybody drives Maserati's that's all Corbett.

1288
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: I don't fuck it out, you know. Did he love it?

1289
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 5: I just hid.

1290
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: He's like a little pitchy, A little pitchy.

1291
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, he ignored me.

1292
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: Well then I just will say good juicy. We'll just

1293
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 2: keep doing this one time. I'm Laurel Canyon. I'm up

1294
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 2: trying to take a left on the Ventura, you know,

1295
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: and it's where all the studios are. It's literally called

1296
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: Studio City. And as I you know, it's very nerve

1297
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: wracking to make left hand turns in Los Angeles, and

1298
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: I just moved there like probably two years before. It's

1299
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: very scary. You have to you have to really, you

1300
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 2: have to attack the intersection.

1301
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 5: You have to take your space. Pist at you behind you.

1302
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: You can't win.

1303
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: You always do it wrong.

1304
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 5: It's bad.

1305
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,680
Speaker 2: So I'm out there really trying to like take my

1306
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 2: place in the world of this intersection. Well, who comes

1307
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: up in a light blue jag But mister Clint Eastwood, Karen.

1308
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: You get all the cat I get.

1309
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 2: This fucking man. And he was because the sun was

1310
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 2: shining in his eyes. So he was like, oh, he

1311
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: looked like he was doing a Clint Eastwood impression the

1312
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 2: whole time.

1313
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 1: It was fucking so rad. It was so rad. Billy

1314
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: Bob Thornton, Okay, yes, the gruff, fucking I'm just yetding

1315
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: saying his name.

1316
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 5: No, I saw him once?

1317
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: What about?

1318
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1319
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I walked right in him.

1320
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: We were at a book. Remember when there's borders on Losiana?

1321
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 1: Will you guys remember remember I was walking around around

1322
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: the corner right into someone.

1323
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so sorry, ma'am.

1324
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: He was so polite. And then Angelina just gives me

1325
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: the stink guy when she walks by.

1326
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 2: Are you they were in borders?

1327
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh, you tried to walk into my husband?

1328
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah you did.

1329
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: I did not, did you? I did not.

1330
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 5: Here's a vile of your blood.

1331
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: That's disgusting what that is. So goes against everything they

1332
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 2: were doing at that period of times.

1333
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: They wanted a book on let's keep your marriage sane.

1334
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: Or they're just getting like one of those like map

1335
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: books about hiking's like, don't tell anyone we bought this.

1336
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: Lastly, most beautiful women I've ever fucking seen in my

1337
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: like in person, in my life. I mean, next lap,

1338
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: don't clap, next level. Just that was all I took away.

1339
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: Not anyways, where were we?

1340
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, Angelia Juliet I thought you were building up

1341
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 2: to who that person was.

1342
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: No, noo, could it be? She was so beautiful also

1343
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: like five to three though. Oh really, okay, I'm sorry

1344
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: I thought she was tall. I know they make it

1345
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: seem that way.

1346
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 5: It's not.

1347
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: They're all very small.

1348
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 5: They're tiny human.

1349
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: Beings when you go there.

1350
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: If you if you run into a celebrity, you go

1351
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles, you run in celebrity or you will

1352
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: think they're in grammar school at first. It'll like a

1353
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 2: Lissa Milano, same deal. She was the first celebrity I

1354
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 2: saw in LA and it immediately made me want to

1355
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 2: quit what I was doing because I was just like, oh,

1356
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: you have to be four foot eight yeah, and Ryan

1357
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,799
Speaker 2: head seven pounds.

1358
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1359
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: The only reason we're not famous, guys, I have a

1360
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: huge head.

1361
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: And we're persisting. We're persisting all right. Back to the

1362
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 2: film that everyone's been talking about it Sundance. Okay, So

1363
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: when he's being interviewed by the cops, he basically says

1364
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: he never meant to harm Fill, but once he was

1365
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 2: in there, he like his thing was he's for the

1366
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: first so he altogether he was up in that attic

1367
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:41,759
Speaker 2: for nine months, living inside those people's house for nine months.

1368
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: And at first he would just stay really really still,

1369
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: and if he heard anybody downstairs, he would just freeze

1370
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 2: and stay still all day. But when it was still

1371
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: fill in the house, after a little while, he got bored,

1372
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 2: and he said he would sneak down. At first, he

1373
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 2: would sneak down at night and eat scraps. He would

1374
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 2: eat out of the garbage he needs, stick his finger

1375
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: in the jelly jar and eat it.

1376
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 5: Go back upstairs. Who eats jelly raw?

1377
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 2: Like it was the forties?

1378
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 5: Though it's true.

1379
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 2: We'll establish that at the beginning that everybody eats jelly

1380
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: all the time. I fucking love it.

1381
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 5: Preserve the spoon.

1382
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's dessert at that lady's house. Okay, everyone gets

1383
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: this spoonful of jelly and off to bed. Can I

1384
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 2: play the lady who cooks for him, of course, But

1385
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: the lady that cooks dinner. Yeah, but you have to

1386
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 2: read for it. Okay, I know that's how it is

1387
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: down there. It's show business.

1388
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I love you. I want you to be

1389
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: part of it, but the exact.

1390
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 5: I mean, it's my choice.

1391
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: There's so many line producer has to see the profile. Okay, guys,

1392
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: what's focus? Not fair?

1393
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: Is everyone dying right now?

1394
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: Now we're good, okay, okay, So but then he gets bored, right,

1395
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: So then what he does is he starts sneaking down

1396
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 2: when Phil is still in the house and shadowing him

1397
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: as he walks around the house.

1398
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 5: Everything up until then was like.

1399
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that sucks, but now I'm like, oh, you're

1400
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: fucking crazy.

1401
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: Yes, because he said the quote is that he didn't

1402
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 2: want to hurt him. He shit, I'm not gonna be

1403
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: able to find it because I've I've gone so far

1404
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 2: into my show business fantasy that I have no idea

1405
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: where I am in this.

1406
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 5: Doctum make up a line.

1407
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 2: He Oh, that's right, this is my movies.

1408
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 5: I know the fuck you want.

1409
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: He basically said, uh, there it is, there it is.

1410
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 5: Are you sure about that?

1411
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I'm just reading to myself. Now, what a

1412
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: great story this is.

1413
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: This is fucking crazy, so we should just stop reading

1414
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: to the audience.

1415
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 2: He said. Then I got bolder and I used to

1416
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: shadow him from room to room. It was sort of

1417
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: a game. Gave me a thrill. It was the first

1418
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: time in my life I'd ever had anyone at my mercy.

1419
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 2: It's not a game.

1420
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: It's also not at your mercy because he's choosing to

1421
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: watch fucking Ed Sullivan or whatever.

1422
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's living his life. He doesn't know you're there. Yeah,

1423
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 2: that's that's so Theodore. But then here's the rest of

1424
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 2: that quote. I didn't want to hurt him. It was miserable,

1425
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 2: hot in the summer, and my feet froze dead in

1426
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 2: the winter in that attic. But it was all part

1427
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: of the price I was willing to pay. I guess

1428
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 2: you can. I can't tell you why I stuck it out.

1429
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: I guess because I was in a world all my own.

1430
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 2: I used to go down and look out the window

1431
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: and watch the postman go by. Nobody's written to me

1432
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: in twenty five years. Whenever I saw people on the street,

1433
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: I hated them, and I'd go back to my attic.

1434
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 2: I relate, nobody's written to me.

1435
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: No for me.

1436
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 5: He had gotten one letter.

1437
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: If only Phil was like, oh this is for you, Chaed,

1438
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: even just a.

1439
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: Bill or something. No, No, he was just mad about mail.

1440
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: Everyone's got their reasons, you know. And then he said

1441
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 2: about the night of the murder, everything would have been

1442
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 2: all right, and Phil Peters would have been alive today

1443
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 2: if he hadn't caught me robbing the iceboats.

1444
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: His fucking fault that you broke in and yeah, murdered him.

1445
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 2: Phil was asking for it. Uh it was him or me.

1446
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 2: I thought he'd gone out, but he was taking a nap.

1447
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: I hit him with the stove shaker, which I've looked

1448
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 2: it up so many I cannot figure out what a

1449
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 2: stove shaker is. It's like a grate or something.

1450
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 5: You should shake the stove with it.

1451
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: In my movie, it's just going to it's going to

1452
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 2: be like a huge like an iron statue.

1453
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I like the kitchen angle though maybe maybe

1454
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: it could be a cast iron skillet.

1455
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not listen.

1456
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, suddenly it's my movie too, But this is

1457
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: all you know.

1458
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm want to work with you, Okay, I go, I

1459
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 2: want to collaborate, all right.

1460
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 5: Let's keep it.

1461
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:06,679
Speaker 1: I think.

1462
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: This skillet I don't know how, But.

1463
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 1: What about the hot dish tray that he had gotten

1464
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: from me next door?

1465
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 5: It comes back around.

1466
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 2: She makes cast roles in a cast iron square that

1467
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,759
Speaker 2: weighs two hundred pounds. Please return this when you're done, Phil,

1468
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: and don't break a bone. Oh Bill, So hit him

1469
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: with the stove cast iron skillet when he tried to

1470
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 2: run for help. When it was over, I ran to

1471
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: the attic. I was sitting on the trap door when

1472
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 2: you were pounding on it from below the night you

1473
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 2: found him. So they actually like went and were like,

1474
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 2: what's this And then we're like, oh, we can't open it,

1475
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: and probably so then that means it doesn't matter, all right.

1476
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 1: Guys, follow through? Just everyone life lesson, follow through.

1477
01:16:59,000 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 6: Follow through spit.

1478
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 2: So he Theodore comedies. Do we have any more pictures?

1479
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: Steven sent him? You might not.

1480
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 5: There we go, what is it?

1481
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't. Oh it's a strapped doorhouse.

1482
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, this is the attic.

1483
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 5: Look at that guy's forties hair.

1484
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 2: Greatre's the there's the light on the on the wire where.

1485
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 5: That guy's grace he is in dapper dann in his hair.

1486
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: Here's some this is some p there's his irony board

1487
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 2: bed over there, man, And uh wow, that's depressing.

1488
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 1: Okay.

1489
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 2: He confessed and he was convicted and sentenced to a

1490
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: life prison in the Colorado State Penitentiary. What if I

1491
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: pronounce Colorado Rock. He went in on November eighteenth, nineteen

1492
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: forty two, and he remained there for twenty three years

1493
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 2: and eventually became the prison librarian.

1494
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 5: All right, I mean.

1495
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: He died in the prison hospital on May sixteenth, nineteenth

1496
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 2: sixty seven, and the local press dubbed him the spider

1497
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 2: Man of Monk Tree's Place, which is the street he

1498
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 2: lived on, because one detective Fred Zarna looked into the attic,

1499
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: which is probably that guy with the red hair. He said,

1500
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: a man would have to be a spider to stand

1501
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: it so long up in that place. Here's your story, everybody.

1502
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: That was fun. It was nice.

1503
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,760
Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how glad I am. I don't

1504
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: have to follow that. Yeah right, yeah right, it was great.

1505
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: You gotta go into those old creepy ones.

1506
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: I know, I never did the old creepy ones. I'm

1507
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 1: always like, here's a new one. I'll bum you the

1508
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: fuck out because it's reason you're one.

1509
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 5: If you're probably related to this person.

1510
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm super real.

1511
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna hate it.

1512
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're back from that parent's creepy story.

1513
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: Any updates no updates on the Spider Man of Denver,

1514
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 2: but at the end of my story, I suggest that

1515
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: you should look into more old creepy cases. We didn't

1516
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 2: have the network at that point, right, We couldn't have

1517
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: known that we would someday have a podcast with Paul

1518
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: Holes himself and Kate Winkler Dawson herself called Barry Bones

1519
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 2: that does literally exactly. That's so cool, it's so exciting.

1520
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: It's almost like we've got someone else to do our homework. Yes,

1521
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: we paid the smart kids at school.

1522
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 2: We go out first, and then we hire professionals to

1523
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 2: come and do the do it right.

1524
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 3: We did it a little backwards, but what are you

1525
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 3: gonna do?

1526
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 1: But hey, okay, and then I forgot about this one,

1527
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,480
Speaker 1: the High five murders. We get a hometown story about it.

1528
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: It's so fucking chilling. Let's listen to it. And then

1529
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: I have some corrections as well, So just keep that

1530
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: in mind when listening.

1531
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 2: Right, all right, should we do a hometown murder? Do

1532
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: let's do it.

1533
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Hold on, I feel like we had

1534
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: to pick the person not who's raising their hand, but

1535
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: who everyone around them is pointing at.

1536
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 2: What's up?

1537
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: We should pick the person, not who's raising their hand,

1538
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: but who all their friends are going, because they're like

1539
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 1: this fucking girl.

1540
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: Okay, warm about her? No, no, no, no, that's they've had enough.

1541
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm not they've had enough time.

1542
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: She doesn't let me.

1543
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: Let's do you in the white shirt.

1544
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: It's just become a rule that I don't get a pick.

1545
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 2: Is Vince on the side there is? You have to

1546
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 2: go this way?

1547
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 5: Just she said, just turn it on.

1548
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1549
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: Just use the microphone the way it's supposed to be used.

1550
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 2: Vince is here.

1551
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: I swear to gosh, there's no on switch on that thing.

1552
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 5: We are not just that.

1553
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: Hi did it?

1554
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 1: Look at her shirt? Her shirt says the husband?

1555
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 2: Did it?

1556
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 5: Can I have that?

1557
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: You can't read?

1558
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't read.

1559
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 6: I have been using my college skills to cram.

1560
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1561
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 6: But I filled most of the tests when I did that.

1562
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:23,719
Speaker 2: But maybe I can.

1563
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 5: Just remember it.

1564
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: Just talk it out, you'll be fine. Wait. What's your name?

1565
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 6: My name is Megan.

1566
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 4: Late bet Stephen last name.

1567
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: Oh no, you don't get up.

1568
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 1: No one gets to yell out Stephen.

1569
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's our job. Where are you from?

1570
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 6: I am from Ogden, Utah, right, I trecked here with

1571
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 6: my cousin Kara Elizabeth it is. She's been a fan

1572
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 6: from the beginning and saying, you have got to listen

1573
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 6: to this podcast.

1574
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 2: Good job, we it's our thing.

1575
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 5: Thank you.

1576
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: We owe you twenty Between.

1577
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 6: Ebola and my favorite murder. We're the weird ones in

1578
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 6: our Mormon family.

1579
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 1: You have a bola?

1580
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 2: You have a bola? Nope, we like it.

1581
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, we like to read about it and then pretend like.

1582
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: What does it?

1583
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 2: Does it just the teriy or it's bad shit? I

1584
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: love it.

1585
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 6: Your eyes will bleed.

1586
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: Okay, well listen.

1587
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 6: If you survive ten days, you're in.

1588
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 2: The clare right, Okay, all right, tell this story.

1589
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 6: Okay, so augham utah is. This is the really big

1590
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 6: time murder in Ogden. I'm going to brush over it

1591
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 6: because it's pretty grizzly great. If you want to know more,

1592
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 6: you're here.

1593
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: We'll give you some links at the end.

1594
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 6: My mother went to high school with the survivor of

1595
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 6: the High five murders.

1596
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 5: Oh, hi, murders.

1597
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: I like it.

1598
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: So fucked up it is.

1599
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: I've never heard of this.

1600
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: I've written High five Murders. I have been to do it.

1601
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 6: In April twenty fourth, nineteen seventy I cramped.

1602
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 5: I and to my let's fuck up.

1603
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 2: Tea your mother?

1604
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 6: Who will listen to the later date? I took a

1605
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 6: cookie today.

1606
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 5: Oh but that was.

1607
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: That was new. That was at noon.

1608
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 6: We have great video of me worried that Karen's gonna

1609
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 6: yell at me.

1610
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 2: Just don't slow, That's all I'm talking. Yeah, you got it, okay?

1611
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 6: Okis so nineteen seventy four, Yeah, we've got I believe.

1612
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 6: Her name is Shelly Ainsley. She's eighteen years old. She

1613
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 6: works with Stanley Walker. They are in the hi fi

1614
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 6: shop that sells speakers music, you know, total nineteen seventy

1615
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 6: fourth thing going on. It's closing time. Little sixteen year

1616
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 6: old Courtney Nay's bit walks in and says, hey, thanks

1617
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 6: for letting me park in the parking lot while I

1618
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 6: had to run some errands. He's down there talking with

1619
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 6: these guys. And that's when these three bastards come in

1620
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 6: and uh trying to kill these people. They tie them up,

1621
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 6: they dump draino down their ears.

1622
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: What and mount who even and mouth down.

1623
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 6: Their mouths and ears. They're just the second that it

1624
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 6: touches their mouths, they're burned.

1625
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 2: My stirred and they're sorry just right away, right away.

1626
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 6: Okay, it's initially the guy that did it, so that

1627
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 6: they wanted some good stuff speakers and things. But then

1628
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 6: as they're in there and they've tied them up, he's like, hey,

1629
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 6: wait a minute, I got something in the car.

1630
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: So clearly he's got an idea what he wants. Yeah,

1631
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of preplayment.

1632
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 6: So you know, your eighteen year old doesn't come home

1633
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 6: from work, your sixteen year old doesn't come home from

1634
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,759
Speaker 6: running errands. So of course their parents come to find

1635
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 6: them and see where are my children. Carol Naismik comes

1636
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 6: to find her sixteen year old son, goes down in

1637
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 6: the basement, she is tied. Uh, given draino and shot.

1638
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 2: Same thing happens.

1639
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 6: Yes, then I got Orrin Walker. He comes to find

1640
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 6: he wants to find his son Stanley, who never came

1641
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 6: home from work. He comes down there. Uh, they tie

1642
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 6: him up and they kick a pin.

1643
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: I want this part into ear, you saying, yeah, okay,

1644
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 2: this part I want Courtney keep going. You can't pause

1645
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: Courtney's beat.

1646
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 6: You were through it, Courtney's beat.

1647
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: In the end.

1648
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 6: Uh, these men decide they're going to just shoot everybody.

1649
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 6: Everybody dies except for Courtney needsbit. Now, this is some

1650
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 6: bad shit, clearly. But after weeks of investigation, they find

1651
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 6: the three guys that did it. They are put to death. Yeah,

1652
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 6: they are executed, except for the getaway driver who was

1653
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 6: out amongst dust. And I've tried to facebook the ship

1654
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 6: out of this guy, but I can't find him. They

1655
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 6: were they didn't know anything.

1656
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: They're all in the military, right, they were.

1657
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 6: They all worked on Hill Air Force Base.

1658
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1659
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 6: Which is you know, the central part of Utah. I

1660
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 6: mean it's and they were stationed there. They said they

1661
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 6: needed money. They're pay sucked as military, and we do

1662
01:25:58,439 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 6: know our military needs.

1663
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 2: To be supported a little bit more.

1664
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 6: Yah, child of a serviceman. But anyway, Uh, Courtney has

1665
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 6: lifelong ailments from this. Yeah, he gets married, he has children,

1666
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 6: he graduates from college. He lived a full life, and

1667
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 6: he died last year. But I do think it was

1668
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 6: pretty damn amazing. He still went to high school, he

1669
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 6: still accomplished things, and of course became an advocate for

1670
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 6: victim drinks.

1671
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 2: WHOA, that's amazing. That's old Town's town girl. You went there.

1672
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you.

1673
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 4: Ali. Oh my god.

1674
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, now take a second. Take it in, take

1675
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 2: a second.

1676
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, look at your girl. This is hard to do.

1677
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,480
Speaker 1: It's very hard, apecially with that story.

1678
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: When you're high and that story. Yeah, fully fu cooking.

1679
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: I need this shirt.

1680
01:26:58,320 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 5: I need that shirt.

1681
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: Thank you, so thank you, cousin than.

1682
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 4: Yes, that's how we do it.

1683
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: Thank you.

1684
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back. Let's talk about some of the corrections

1685
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: on this hometown.

1686
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 5: Okay, just to make things clear.

1687
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 1: A correction is that Megan identified one of the victims

1688
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 1: as Shelley, but her name is actually Sherry Michelle Anley.

1689
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: She also said that only Courtney survived. That's not correct.

1690
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 2: Stanley's father, Orrin Walker, also survived and eventually testified against

1691
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 2: the perpetrators.

1692
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: That part where the parents come to check on their

1693
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: kids is just like the worst gut crunching.

1694
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

1695
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 1: Megan mentioned the getaway driver still being out there and

1696
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 1: living among us.

1697
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 5: That's not correct.

1698
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: The driver, Keith Leon Roberts, was arrested, convicted on two

1699
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: counts of aggravated robbery, and spent several years in prison.

1700
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty seven, he was released on parole, and

1701
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two he took his own life.

1702
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 2: Also, She's says three men entered the shop, but two men,

1703
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 2: Dale Selby Pierre and William Andrews, were definitely inside. Both

1704
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: were ultimately arrested, convicted, and sentenced to death. And as mentioned,

1705
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 2: Keith Leon Roberts, who claimed he was never inside the shop,

1706
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 2: was charged with aggravated robbery. It's believed there were more accomplices,

1707
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 2: some of whom may have been inside the shop too,

1708
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 2: but police have never been able to identify them.

1709
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 5: That's just chilling.

1710
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: And then Megan says that Courtney passed away last year

1711
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:31,759
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. That's not correct.

1712
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 3: He actually died in two thousand and two.

1713
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: And I am glad we never have to cover that

1714
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: case again, because yeah, it's just terrible.

1715
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: But Megan, listen, good job, and you're basically on par

1716
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 2: with the kind of job that we were doing with

1717
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 2: our research when we were doing this, and we would

1718
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 2: sit down and google stuff, so off the top of

1719
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:52,480
Speaker 2: your head.

1720
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 1: Live shows, I don't think we expect anyone to come

1721
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: up there and get all the dates and everything correct.

1722
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 3: That's not the point. And we you if you try

1723
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 3: to take a piece of paper out, yeah, that's.

1724
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: We make it as hard as possible. But then here

1725
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 2: we'll just you know, state it for the record, right, totally. Okay,

1726
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,919
Speaker 2: So this episode was originally titled Live at the Boulder Theater.

1727
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: But if you were naming it today based on some

1728
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: fucking ridiculous ass thing we said in the episode, maybe we.

1729
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 2: Would call it well, dear group On, which is what

1730
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 2: Georgia thought. It is what you thought I said to.

1731
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: Your group On. I love that.

1732
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be that.

1733
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: It could be called in my movie. Yeah about Karen

1734
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 1: spider Man, I've done for a movie.

1735
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: Because I that's how obsessed I am with that story. Yeah,

1736
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,719
Speaker 2: I absolutely will make that movie one day, you must,

1737
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 2: and it'll be really cheap because it's all taking place

1738
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: just in an attic right. Also, sailor salute, which is

1739
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 2: when I was talking about the time I saw Tommy

1740
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,600
Speaker 2: Lean Jones and he gave me the old sailor salute.

1741
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 3: If you're ever in trouble, you know who to.

1742
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,560
Speaker 2: Call Tommy Lee Jones.

1743
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, god man, All right, well thanks for listening to

1744
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: another episode of rewind. Let's pop back into Boulder where

1745
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:03,440
Speaker 1: we say goodbye from stage.

1746
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: I bet the odds of finding somebody in this audience

1747
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 2: that's not high. Were would be very very low?

1748
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh sure, very low.

1749
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1750
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 2: These days, I bet people just get up in the

1751
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 2: morning and they're just like a boop boop boopoo.

1752
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: My our uber driver, Yester, is an amazing like hippie

1753
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: chick who probably goes to Burning Man.

1754
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 5: We're talking about it.

1755
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: She works at dispensary and she was like, yeah, I

1756
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: have friends who wake up in the morning and have

1757
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: a fucking weed butter on their toast. Yeah, and I'm

1758
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 1: just like, have toast and smokes some weed.

1759
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: Though, no, you fucking eat it, and then it like

1760
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 2: comes on slow and then all of a sudden you're

1761
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: like just walking around at work and you're like, fuck,

1762
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 2: don't stop smiling, don't stop smiling. Everything's shell Jess Beachell,

1763
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: someone asks the question, just say yes, sit at your desk,

1764
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 2: put on your headphones. I realize I had that song

1765
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 2: in me.

1766
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 4: Until right now.

1767
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:03,480
Speaker 2: That was gorgeous.

1768
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: They know that was They know that's your new your

1769
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: next song that might be like how to deal with

1770
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:10,720
Speaker 1: being high?

1771
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 2: Can you did that one already? Can you? You have

1772
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: to write it down for me after we're done.

1773
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Steven, You guys, this is very fucking awesome. This is

1774
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: the first weekend of our twenty seventeen Fell Tour. We

1775
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 1: are taking it ice the start night too, Hi too, Colorado, Colorado.

1776
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 2: What a great fucking place to starnace.

1777
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: Seriously, Yeah, it's like, it's very touching, it's very lovely.

1778
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 2: How much support we get from you, guys and love.

1779
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 2: We really appreciate it and we very much want you

1780
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 2: to stay sexy and Joe.

1781
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: Bye you guys, Thank you.

1782
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 3: Elvis.

1783
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 5: Do you want a cookie?