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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth revely. That's good, Ollie.

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Speaker 1: This was so much fun. I actually have known John

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Speaker 1: for a bit. He actually helped me write a speech

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Speaker 1: once smart Man. He was Obama's speech writer for many

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Speaker 1: years and then went on to found Crooked Media. And

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Speaker 1: his brother Andy, who is an actor. We had them

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Speaker 1: on I know Andy Andy. Actually I test screen tested

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Speaker 1: with Andy, Yeah, for a show that they're literally like

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Speaker 1: the world's most well behaved children. I couldn't get anything animal,

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Speaker 1: misspelled word. They're like they were really close growing up.

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Speaker 1: John felt really protective of Andy. They've never even had

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Speaker 1: a big fight. But what's interesting is is you would think,

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Speaker 1: they they're really fascinating guys, and they're the way they

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Speaker 1: Andy is such a cool guy. Yeah, such a really cool,

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Speaker 1: laid back guy. And then of course you got John

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Speaker 1: And then he's like, hey, fuck this, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: you're gonna like it. Just listen, please enjoy. John and

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Speaker 1: Andy cap hi guys, dogs and I missed everything. Oh

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Speaker 1: it all out. Someone's on a staycation and someone's working.

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Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like me and Olie. Have to say. No,

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Speaker 1: Andy and I are very similar. I'm feeling a similar

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Andy we've have we met. Uh, Kate,

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Speaker 1: You don't remember. It was just a couple of dates.

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Speaker 1: night through Michael kas Yeah, like everyone's everyone's connected through

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Speaker 1: I know. That's how we met because I I helped

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Speaker 1: That's right, back when I used to do speeches for hire,

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Speaker 1: time we saw. We saw each other two years ago. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's a good thing. You didn't get it and fucking

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Speaker 1: it because I didn't get it. That's right. This was

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Speaker 1: for his whole life. John, Before we get into your

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Speaker 1: I run a company, a media company called Cricket Media.

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Speaker 1: We have a nice little company. We're right here in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: is your week in your fitness regime? Yeah? So I

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Speaker 1: you feel late? Don't lie? Did you have a lazy day? No,

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Speaker 1: you didn't. I worked out today before I came home

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Speaker 1: from Palm Desert. If you have, you're always in Palm Desert.

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Speaker 1: What happens if you have a lazy day? A lazy day,

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Speaker 1: I'll get an alert from Matt, my trainer, from Future Fitness.

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Speaker 1: What kind of alert like a text or text? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He actually he text me. I'll go into the app

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Speaker 1: and then there's messages and he'll hit me up and saying,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? I sent you this workout I've

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Speaker 1: This it's just going to get you going. It's about

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Speaker 1: soul cycle, right, or let's say you have a membership

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Speaker 1: three times a week. Right. They incorporate all of this

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Speaker 1: three months at tryfuture dot com slash sibling again, that's

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Speaker 1: Tryfuture dot com slash sibling. So when you were growing up,

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Speaker 1: where you did you lean ever to the arts or

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Speaker 1: was it always sports? And I mean growing up, I

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Speaker 1: never I never thought about acting ever. I mean not

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Speaker 1: until I was maybe twenty five or twenty six. I

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Speaker 1: I was totally like I mean, when I went to college,

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Speaker 1: my whole thing was I was going to go into

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. That was my That's what I studied. I

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Speaker 1: studied criminal justice and law. I went to grad school

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Speaker 1: for that. That was going to be my path. And

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Speaker 1: then everything changed. After I had gotten hot, I had

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Speaker 1: gotten hired by the FBI and then got high. I

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Speaker 1: got hired by the FBI, and then I failed the

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Speaker 1: polygraph exam and that was and that was the end

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Speaker 1: of that. Really, are you? Can you share with us

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Speaker 1: what you sail? This is the most Andy story ever

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Speaker 1: because Andy is the Andy is the most honest person

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Speaker 1: that I know. So this is the thing. If I

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Speaker 1: had knowing what I know now, I know exactly what

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Speaker 1: they were trying to do to me, and they succeeded

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. So basically going into this, so first

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Speaker 1: I went to first I went to New York to interview,

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Speaker 1: and I went to New York and interviewed, had a

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Speaker 1: great interview, got the job, and they're like, you have

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Speaker 1: the job. You're going back to Boston for a physical

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Speaker 1: and a polygraph, and then you're cleared and you'll get

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Speaker 1: placed somewhere in the United States. So great the hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on the job of what was your job, and

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Speaker 1: the job was going to be investigative specialists, which you know,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to be hired as an agent right off

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Speaker 1: the bat unless you have like a very specific skill

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Speaker 1: like finance or something like that. So the other way

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Speaker 1: to get in to become agent would be like to

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Speaker 1: start as an investigative specialist, which is a lot of

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Speaker 1: like surveillance of foreign people in foreign you know, people

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Speaker 1: in the United States that the government wants to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on and that sort of thing, and then

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Speaker 1: you can sort of become an agent from there. And

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Speaker 1: so I go to I go back to Boston and

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Speaker 1: they scheduled my polygraph, and I up to this point

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Speaker 1: I knew, you know, some of the major like drug

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Speaker 1: questions they would ask would be like have you ever

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Speaker 1: smoked let in the last three years? And I was

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Speaker 1: clean on that. I was I was clean on everything.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it was like a three week waiting

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Speaker 1: period before the polygraph, and I was really starting to

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Speaker 1: think about it a lot and overthink things like massively

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Speaker 1: because you have to your your s F eighty six.

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Speaker 1: It's called is this Matt? Is this like huge application

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Speaker 1: where they dig into your background, your friends, everything, and

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Speaker 1: you can't lie on it at all and they ask

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Speaker 1: you all sorts of questions and the polygraph is sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, a version of that in person. So I

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Speaker 1: go there, and you know, they bring you in and

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Speaker 1: it's it's literally something out of TV. You know. You

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Speaker 1: you walk in, You're in an interrogation room with you know,

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Speaker 1: the mirror, and this guy with a gun on his

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Speaker 1: belt and he's right across from you, and they don't

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Speaker 1: hook you up yet, and he starts going over the

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Speaker 1: questions and you're not hooked up, and so he starts

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Speaker 1: asking me these crazy questions that like they're very simple questions.

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Speaker 1: You know. First you'll say, is your last name really Favreau? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Are you associated with any terrorist organizations? No, of course not.

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Speaker 1: And then he starts saying stuff like have you ever

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Speaker 1: driven over the speed limit? And I'm like, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: we all have, right and he's like, no, that's not true,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like no, you know, how like sometimes you'll

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Speaker 1: go like four or five miles over the speed limit.

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Speaker 1: And he's like, so you're saying you're a reckless driver.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no no, no, no, I didn't mean it

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Speaker 1: like that, Like I've actually never got a sake it.

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Speaker 1: But you're saying you drive over the speed limit often. Well,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, not off. And so now I'm like sweating. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so then the next question is have you ever

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Speaker 1: cheated in school? And now I don't want to disappoint him,

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Speaker 1: so I go no, and he goes no really, and

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Speaker 1: I go, okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 1: I might have. I might have looked at someone else's

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Speaker 1: test before, you know, just to see if they had

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Speaker 1: the same answer. And now I'm like in this web

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Speaker 1: of lies already, and I'm not even hooked up to

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Speaker 1: the machine yet. And he's like, so, basically I went

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Speaker 1: to I went to Seff University in Boston. He's like,

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Speaker 1: so I could call Seff University right now and tell

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Speaker 1: them that you broke the school's honor code. I said, no,

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Speaker 1: not at all, it's not like that. I never know.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm just like I'm spinning out, and he's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's hook you up and got your heart rates is

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Speaker 1: already like one hundred and sixty. Literally, what he saw

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Speaker 1: on that computer in front of him must he must

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Speaker 1: have never seen anything like that in his life. So

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Speaker 1: he hooks me up and there's something under your seat

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Speaker 1: to monitor if you're fidgeting, there's something around your chest

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Speaker 1: to monitor your heart rate, there's something on your pulse,

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Speaker 1: on your fingers. Everything. I'm like, you can't move. And

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Speaker 1: so he's like, let's go over all those questions one

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Speaker 1: more time. And so he's going over the questions. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to be very honest and like, my mind is

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Speaker 1: so fucked at this point. I am like I'm lying

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Speaker 1: about everything. I'm just like I don't want to disappoint

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Speaker 1: this guy. I have it in my head that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to try and maybe I'll just beat this test

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Speaker 1: and pretend I'm telling the truth. You know. Crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it ends and he doesn't say anything, and I

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Speaker 1: just I'm looking at him like, he goes, I'll be

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Speaker 1: right back. He leaves for like twenty minutes, I'm left

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Speaker 1: there by myself. Everything's still. I'm like, can I unhook myself?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if I should move. He

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Speaker 1: comes back in and I'm like, he's not saying anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how did it go? And he goes, not great.

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Speaker 1: He goes he goes, what's going on with you today?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, look, I just really want this job.

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Speaker 1: I think I got a little fucked up in the

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Speaker 1: head with the you know, the questions you were asking

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And I was like, well, well what

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Speaker 1: do we do? And I'm like, did I failed? And

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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you failed, and he's like, you can

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Speaker 1: try and take it again, but they'll they'll probably say no,

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Speaker 1: it's on your permanent FBI record. So if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to go to the DEA or the Secret Service, it

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it was over. They would never take

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Speaker 1: Oh god crazy. So let's let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 1: This is such an interesting thing, like why didn't so

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Speaker 1: what you would have passed? If they would have said

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Speaker 1: have you ever cheated on a test and you just

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Speaker 1: said yes, yes, I should have just stuck to it

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Speaker 1: and not felt bad about it. I should have just

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Speaker 1: been like, listen, I have driven over the speed limit.

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Speaker 1: I don't care what you think. Are you a reckless

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Speaker 1: You need confidence in those I mean I had to

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Speaker 1: go through. I didn't go I didn't get a polygraph,

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Speaker 1: but I had to do the s F eighty six

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Speaker 1: and then have agents talk to me and interview me

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Speaker 1: and everyone I knew for the White House to get

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Speaker 1: top secret clearance in the White House, it does get

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Speaker 1: to it. I remember getting to the point where they're like,

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Speaker 1: did you smoke weed? Yes, of course, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: And then they're like, well when did you smoke weed?

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Speaker 1: Talk about the times you smoked weed, and then you

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Speaker 1: have to start talking about times and they're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well it's just you and a friend smoking the weed.

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Speaker 1: Where did you get the weed from. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You're like, we sold you the weed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the weed just oh so the weed

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Speaker 1: just appeared. Right, You're not going to tell us who

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Speaker 1: your dealer was. You're not going to lead us to that.

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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I'm like, what, I'm a

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Speaker 1: drug dealer? What are you talking about? Like, I just

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Speaker 1: want to write a couple of species. Leave me alone, right,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes a little smoke of the dobie helps me write

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Speaker 1: these speech Now. Yeah, So I mean, so after that happened,

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Speaker 1: I just like reassessed everything, and I was like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, I was like, I think I think maybe

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Speaker 1: this whole time, I just wanted to play a cop. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm going to go play at an FBI agent. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably what I actually wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: So I was like, let's just let's just go take

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Speaker 1: an acting class. So I took an acting class in

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Speaker 1: Boston and from there it all kind of happened from

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Speaker 1: there because there was a lot of movies in Boston

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Speaker 1: at that time, and I got involved in some of

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Speaker 1: those in the background work and stuff. And then I

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Speaker 1: moved out to l A and continued. I just I

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Speaker 1: just I just played an FBI agent, especially agent. Like literally,

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Speaker 1: I'm so I just finished that job. Clearly, Oliver hasn't

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Speaker 1: done any research because he did not know about this polygraph. No, no,

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Speaker 1: but I was told things. You know, there was a

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Speaker 1: guy on set. Everything was in the wind. John. When

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Speaker 1: you guys were in high school, let's just skip right

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Speaker 1: to high school. It sounds like you guys were like great,

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Speaker 1: cool family. Were you guys pretty much like were you naughty?

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Speaker 1: Or were you naughty? What are you even using that word?

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Speaker 1: We were like, I mean, what do you say naughty?

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Speaker 1: I literally picture them like both sort of naked together

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Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, but it's when you say naughty, it's

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Speaker 1: like we were naughty? Were they good kids? Did they know?

635
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: We were? On the like very well behaved end of

636
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: the spectrum. There's actually a this is before high school,

637
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: but years later, went to this wedding of one of

638
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: my one of our friends from the neighborhood, and I

639
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: was with my my now wife, and she's talking to

640
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: one of our babysitters. This this this woman who was

641
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: a sister of one of my friends, who babysat Andy

642
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: and I for a long time. And family is like,

643
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: what was it like babysitting John and Andy? And she's like,

644
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: it was like stealing money from the Favres because I

645
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: didn't have to do anything. And then when it came

646
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: time for bedtime, instead of me saying to them, you

647
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: have to go to bed, the two of them would say,

648
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: all right, it's time for bed now, we're gonna go

649
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: up and brush our teeth and put ourselves to bed

650
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: not one minute past eight o'clock. Oh my god. Yeah,

651
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: we were, Yeah, we were, we were. You are good

652
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: that means your parents are a good I have a

653
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: good high school story about being naughty. Yeah, it sounds

654
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: it is. The connotation is very it's like so it's

655
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: sexual in nature. You know, between between John and I, collectively,

656
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: we probably had maybe three parties at the house all

657
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: throughout high school, you know, not that many. But the

658
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: one party I did decide to have was was it

659
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: was senior year, I think summer of senior year going

660
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: into college. Our parents were away. I decided to have

661
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: a gathering. You know, it wasn't it wasn't a it

662
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a bend or anything. But I had some people

663
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: over and we were taking pic you know, back then,

664
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: obviously we still did the disposable cameras and stuff. So

665
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: we were taking a bunch of pictures and whatnot, and I,

666
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, successful party. The parents come home from vacation

667
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: and that they have no idea it happened. Everything was

668
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: cleaned up perfectly, it was great. A couple days later,

669
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Speaker 1: my mom calls me downstairs and she goes, I just

670
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: came back from CBS to pick up our pictures from

671
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: the vacation. And so what happened was she went into CBS.

672
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: She said I'm picking up photos for Favre. They gave

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Speaker 1: her my photos from the party, and it was just

674
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: she starts throwing pictures at me like I'm you know,

675
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Speaker 1: like I'm in the entirecation. No wonder if I have

676
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I had a shame. I actually had a similar thing.

677
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever told you this, but

678
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: I went to take what I thought was my film

679
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: to go get developed. But I got it back and

680
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: it was all of Oliver and his friends just like

681
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: blazed taking pictures of their eyeballs. So just Oliver with

682
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: like these like big red eyes and they're just like

683
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: and is John and like you guys were all, oh god,

684
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: I think I don't have them in there. Don't we

685
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: all feel lucky that we're all old enough that all

686
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: these pictures were actual pictures and not just pictures on Instagram.

687
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: What would we have done? I don't know I would

688
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,919
Speaker 1: have been. I don't know. I mean, I'm so bad.

689
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: I have pictures that I know we're taken, that I've

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00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: actually seen that I can still see what exactly what

691
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: they were, that if they came out to day, it

692
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: would be like, oh my god, damn, like something that

693
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Speaker 1: wakes you up. At two in the morning, You're like,

694
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: so what about John when you left for college? You know,

695
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: was there was that a sad moment? Were you guys

696
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Speaker 1: that close to where now you're You're gone? And then

697
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: I went to I went to holy Cross, which is

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Speaker 1: in Wooster, sort of close to Long Meadow, and and

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00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: then Andy went to Suffolk, and so like I brought

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Speaker 1: Andy to holy Cross a few times. I think, like

701
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Speaker 1: the drunkest Andy got, or the first time he got

702
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: really drunk, was when he came to holy Cross and

703
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: I took him to a party. And then like, poor

704
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Speaker 1: Andy was like sitting around the toilet all night, and

705
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Speaker 1: I was like, what did I What did I do

706
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: to my poor younger brother. I was like a junior.

707
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: He was a freshman, I think, or I was a senior.

708
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: All part of the younger brother experience. Yeah right, but

709
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Speaker 1: we yeah, but we we saw each other a lot.

710
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Speaker 1: Time Ollie invited me to Boulder, I was like seventeen.

711
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: I was like, this is obnoxious. I was one of

712
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: those sisters. I was like, Oliver is gonna like like,

713
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Speaker 1: I can't believe Mom is paying for him to go

714
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Speaker 1: to college. In mind, all I was thinking about was

715
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: like Oliver isn't at college. He's just partying. I was like,

716
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. And honestly, that's

717
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: why I called my mom first semester of my sophomore year,

718
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, I need to get out of here.

719
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: So when you were, when you were partying, having fun,

720
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: which now I wish I did, do you does that

721
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 1: where you fell in love with this idea of speech

722
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: writing and politics? And yeah, I thought for a while

723
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: that maybe I'd be a journalist because I loved writing.

724
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: And then junior year at holy Cross they had a

725
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Speaker 1: DC internship program where you could go to DC and

726
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: and intern anywhere you wanted. And I interned in John

727
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Kerry's office, who was our senator, and he that was

728
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: It was two thousand and two, so he was getting

729
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: ready to run for president. So I sat for a

730
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Speaker 1: semester with his communications director and s and political director

731
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Speaker 1: and they were all planning the campaign and it was

732
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Speaker 1: all exciting to me. So I loved the internship so

733
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: much that when I came back to holy Cross senior year,

734
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Speaker 1: I kept bugging them for a job on the Kerry campaign,

735
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Speaker 1: any job, And then like the night before I graduated,

736
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737
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Speaker 1: the campaign, and so I moved to DC two weeks

738
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: after I graduated, and I started politics that way. But

739
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Speaker 1: I sort of just fell into speechwriting because I ended

740
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Speaker 1: up sitting next to the speechwriter for the campaign. And

741
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Speaker 1: when Carrie was losing the primary and he was broke

742
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Speaker 1: and he couldn't hire a real extra speech writer, I

743
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: was there and they didn't have to pay me more

744
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Speaker 1: than my twenty thousand dollars a year that I was getting,

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752
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753
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Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking? Well, can I tell

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Speaker 1: you what I was thinking? First, I was just in

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Speaker 1: the desert. I just got back from Palm Desert. Oh cool,

786
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: and it was like eighty five degrees there, and I

787
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: put four course lights. Well, like, I didn't know you

788
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: were in the desert. You like had up my son.

789
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: I did. I had your son, but I was not

790
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Speaker 1: drinking course light with your son. But I was in

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Speaker 1: the desert with a group of guys and I had

792
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: four course lights in my cooler and I cracked them open,

793
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: and immediately we are like on a whole six whole

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Speaker 1: nine is where you at the turn where you get stuff. Yeah,

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00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: everyone in my group went and got course lights because

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Speaker 1: they were like that looks amazing. I'm like, it is amazing.

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Speaker 1: You started a course light tread I did. It is

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Speaker 1: the time of year though. This is like we're in

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Speaker 1: a beer. No, I kind of feel like there's always

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Speaker 1: there's never a bad time for a course light. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that should be the new slow. Yeah, but it is

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Speaker 1: do you become a speechwriter? I know I just heard

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Speaker 1: your little You're you're you're sort of the way that

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Speaker 1: you segued into it. But you know, what are the

819
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: things that you have to pay attention to to be

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00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: a prolific a great speech writer. I mean, obviously you

821
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: have to capture the voice of that person, right is, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the idea is to be a good if Aside from

823
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Speaker 1: being a good writer, you have to be to be

824
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Speaker 1: a bit of a mind reader, a bit of a

825
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: diplomat because every speech, especially for politicians, there's like a

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Speaker 1: whole crew of people that want to be involved, and

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00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: so you have to take some people's edits and try

828
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Speaker 1: to push away to other people's edits, and you have

829
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: to you know, make peace with everyone. But really like

830
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Speaker 1: to learn Barack Obama's voice. You know, I read both

831
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: of his books. I went to every town hall he did,

832
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: I listened to every interview he did. But then I

833
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: just made sure I had a lot of one on

834
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: one time with him, because you've got to not only

835
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: know how the person speaks and writes, you need to

836
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: know how the person thinks. And so you have to

837
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: get so close to the person that you can let like,

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Speaker 1: when Barack Obama is interviewed now to this day, I

839
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: could probably tell you what his answers are going to

840
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: be no matter what question he's asked, just because I

841
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: know how he thinks about things. And if you have

842
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: that kind of relationship with the person that you're writing for,

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00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: then I think you can do a good job. And

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Speaker 1: what about just the structure of the speech, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I love to write, I don't. I mean,

846
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm not really a structured writer. I just like words

847
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: and and so. But thank you. When you're structuring something

848
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: like that, how focused are you on sort of the

849
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: pros and the flowery element of it? And then how

850
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: much is sort of the structure of the speech and

851
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: how it's all going to sort of sing? It should

852
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: be the structure of the speech and the story first,

853
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: Like I think, I think the problem with a lot

854
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: of politician speeches is that it's just a collection of

855
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: sound bites and applause lines that are just like strung together.

856
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: And I think writing a speech should be like telling

857
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 1: a story. It should be like having a It should

858
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: be as close to a conversation that you have with

859
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: someone who you're telling a story to as possible. And

860
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: once you've got the logic and flow of the story

861
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: down and the structure of the speech, just like a script,

862
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: you know, like, then once you have that down, then

863
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: you can concentrate on do I want more flowery language here?

864
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: Do I want an applause line? Et cetera, et cetera.

865
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: But you got to I think you got to get

866
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: the structure. Does your ego ever, does your ego ever

867
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,479
Speaker 1: get into it where you're like, dude, I'm gonna write

868
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: the fucking it's happening. I got the line, I got

869
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: the historic line. I got to not ask what you

870
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: can what your country can do for you line? Yeah,

871
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: what's the proudest what's the proudest line you wrote for

872
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: the Obama presidency? I can't remember if it's a See,

873
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: we didn't Obama and I didn't focus as much on lines.

874
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: We focused on like, what's this, what's the whole speech

875
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: going to be? What's the story of the speech? But

876
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: there was a there was a string of speeches in

877
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: the primary where from like winning Iowa, the night that

878
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: he won the Iowa Caucuses to the night that he

879
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: lost narrowly to Hillary in New Hampshire and gave the

880
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: yes we Can speech, to the convention speech to win

881
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 1: he won the presidency and did the speech in Grant

882
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: Park the victory speech, Like every time he won a

883
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: primary or a caucus or the nomination. Me and the

884
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: other speech writers would get pretty excited writing those speeches

885
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: because everyone took those live and they were historic and

886
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: he got to be soaring, and like, you don't to

887
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: do that with a lot of politicians. I don't even

888
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: I mean since him, I don't think you get to

889
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: do that with a lot of politicians. And so it

890
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: was really Lucky who's responsible for Yes we can. Yes

891
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: we Can was a slogan in an ad in his

892
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: four Senate campaign that David Axrod, his chief strategist, wrote

893
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: into the ad that Obama initially didn't like because he

894
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: thought it was too cheesy, and then Michelle was like,

895
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too cheesy. I think it's good

896
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: for the ad. So they put it in the ad,

897
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: and then that was in four. I brought it back

898
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: for the New Hampshire speech because I was like, he

899
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: had this great slogan from two thousand and four that

900
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: he hasn't used anymore. Like, let's try to do it

901
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: in a different way and sort of connect it to

902
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: the history of America and stuff like that. So that's

903
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: how we did it. In the in the New Hampshire

904
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: speech that night, But why politics, Like why did you

905
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: why were you attracted to politics? I spent and then

906
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: and then even to elaborate even you know, continue on

907
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: where you started and where we are now. I mean,

908
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: it's just fucking crazy. So I mean, I can't tell

909
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: like I feel, Andy. I don't know if you remember

910
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: this growing up, but I felt like we were a

911
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: pretty political household in the sense that mom and Dad

912
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: were always talking about politics on the not like they

913
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be politically active, but when there was political news,

914
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: they would talk about it. Our aunts and uncles would

915
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: talk about our grandparents would talk about it. Our grandfather,

916
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: our father's father was a state rep in New Hampshire also,

917
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: so it sort of was how we grew up, you know.

918
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: And then I felt and then I think when I

919
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: went to holy Cross, and you know, holy Cross is

920
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: run by the Jesuits and they're like very into social justice,

921
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: I kind of felt aside from like the political gossip

922
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: that we all had growing up, then I sort of

923
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: felt a pull to just make the world better. As

924
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: cheesy as it sounds, like I wanted to just help.

925
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to do things to make a difference, especially

926
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: like going to school in Worcester and I did a

927
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: lot of community service in the city, and I just

928
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: felt like the best way to do this, the big

929
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: the best way to make an impact is to actually

930
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: go into politics. And I also liked sort of the

931
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: excitement of it too, So it was both an exciting

932
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: field and something that I felt like I was doing good. Yea, John, John,

933
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued to know because you've worked in an administration

934
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: so intimately and then now you know you're you're doing

935
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: something completely different. You know, you got your company, your

936
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: media company, even though it's probably a lot of it

937
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: zeroed in on politics and things. What is you? Are

938
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: you comfortable taking a position on politics? How do you

939
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: see the Democratic Party that you were in in two

940
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: thousands and when in the Obama administration versus versus what

941
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: we're looking at now, like, do you see a big difference?

942
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: Do you are you happy with the state of our

943
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: of our No? So the Obama campaign was something special, right,

944
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: and we win and there's all this hope and there's

945
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: all this possibility, and we get to the White House

946
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: and we have all of these crises at once, and

947
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: the White House is it was brutal, right, and the

948
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: Republicans were brutal, and the financial crisis was brutal. And

949
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: I can remember in the re elect in twenty twelve,

950
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: flying around the country with Obama and him saying, all

951
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: we have to do is if we win this, if

952
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: we beat these guys again in twenty twelve, then the

953
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: fever will have broken and the Republicans from then on

954
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: will realize that they're going to keep losing if they

955
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: keep being this obstructionist and this extremist, and they'll start

956
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: working with us and things will get better. And obviously

957
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: that has not happened at all, and it has been hard.

958
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: From that point on, politics has felt like being a Democrat,

959
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: being a progressive an uphill struggle, to say the least.

960
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: And look, there are I still do it and I

961
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: care a lot about it because I feel like there

962
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: are only two choices. There is keep fighting or give up.

963
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: And we know what happens if we all give up.

964
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: So I'm just going to keep at this. And there

965
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: are moments that you're hopeful, you know, Joe Biden, Kamala

966
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: Harris won the election, we win the mid terms in

967
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, like that there are these moments that pass

968
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: legislation that you care about, right, But on a daily basis,

969
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: it is a fucking mess, as is evident to everyone

970
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: who is a casual observer. And I think that is

971
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: true for a lot of reason. I think it's partly

972
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: the extremism of the Republican Party. I think it's the

973
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: power of Fox News and their propaganda machine. I also

974
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: think I'm doing this podcast now called Offline, which is

975
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: about the Internet breaking our brains, Like I think that

976
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: the way we interact with each other, the way that

977
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: we debate each other, the way that we talk to

978
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: each other, which happens mostly online, is making nuance and

979
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: subtlety and good faith and empathy and understanding nearly impossible

980
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: because everyone, you know, there's just like a lot of

981
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: virtue signaling and shit posting and owning people, and there's

982
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: very little actual debate about the issues that matter. And

983
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: the problem is the issues now they're so dissected into

984
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: fiction reality kind of fiction, kind of reality, and these

985
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: algorithms are feeding us what we want, and these algorithms

986
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck whether it's true or not. And

987
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: then we're just sort of eating this bowl of just

988
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: bullshit porridge. And now, how do we have a healthy

989
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: debate when you're not debating anything factual or one one

990
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: thinks it's fact the other doesn't. Ad vice versa. It's

991
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: just a total mess. You can't even have a healthy

992
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: conversation anymore. You got to get those likes and reachwheets.

993
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. It's also just like true

994
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: imaginative innovative thinking, what it's doing to our brains and

995
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: what it's like the part of the brain that shut off.

996
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: Like A weird example is I went to go drop

997
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: my daughter off at school today. I forgot my phone,

998
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: and so I'm driving and I realized i't on my phone.

999
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay. Ronnie and I were like silent. It

1000
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: was really interesting and kind of weird, you know. We

1001
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: were just sort of silent, and then we had like

1002
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: a little conversation. And then I drove home and halfway

1003
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: through the drive home, I started talking to myself and

1004
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: I and I realized that we don't spend time quiet

1005
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: in life ever. I mean I say that, I mean

1006
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: I say that as a as a zenial or we're

1007
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: called senials. Did you know that we're a cusper? Yeah,

1008
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: cusopers are I'm not that cuspers are a thing, you know,

1009
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: but I say this as like, you know, it's just

1010
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: funny how your brain are. We do we don't allow

1011
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: our brains and that is where like you talk about

1012
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: healthy debate, you talk about things that actually the times

1013
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: in our lives where we could actually focus on one

1014
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: thing and focus on it in a way where there's

1015
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: no distraction just doesn't exist anymore. I will say, And

1016
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm not even fucking around like I When I'm in

1017
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: my car, there's nothing on and I am just quiet

1018
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: with myself, and really I love space in the car.

1019
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: I just drove. I finished this job and we were

1020
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: in Vegas last day. I just drove four hours. Maybe

1021
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: I listen to Stern a little bit, but for the

1022
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: most part, it was just quiet. I hear the road,

1023
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: I hear the car on the road, and it's just

1024
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: my thoughts just going. I do. I do that a

1025
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: lot too, back when I used to bartend and when

1026
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: I get out at like three in the morning, their

1027
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: drive home, I need silence because it's just like so

1028
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: much your head is just like so full of shit,

1029
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: and I would love to just get in my car

1030
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: and have nothing it feels good. It's almost a form

1031
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: of meditation. I think Bateman does that too, Jason Bateman.

1032
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: I think when he gets into his car, everything just

1033
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: shuts off. It's also like it's anxiety too reading that

1034
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: much news. Like we were. We were at Andy's Thanksgiving

1035
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: the family, and I woke up on Thanksgiving morning and

1036
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: I looked at my phone as I often do, and

1037
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: start scrolling, and I saw the first news of the

1038
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: omichron variant, and I started reading more about it, and

1039
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: I started getting all freaked out, and all through Thanksgiving, Andy,

1040
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you noticed, I was like

1041
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: so tense because I decided I didn't want to tell

1042
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: the rest of the family about this new variantcause I

1043
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: didn't want to freak everyone out and have everyone to

1044
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: make sure everyone had a good Thanksgiving. But the whole time,

1045
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, have my phone and I'm looking and I'm like, fuck, fuck,

1046
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: it looks like it's getting worth fucking said it. I

1047
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: was like, then I then the rest of my Thanksgiving ruined.

1048
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, and it's he's so worried that

1049
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: he's actually announcing it to the family. Oh no, I know.

1050
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: I only made it to I only made it to

1051
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: dessert and then someone said something a bit very and

1052
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a new one, guys, there's a new one.

1053
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to ruin this Thanksgiving, but I was wearing.

1054
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: I was also so mad that I was somehow behind

1055
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter that I didn't know about the variant, Like

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta give you some epidemiologists to follow

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Speaker 1: on Twitter your day, just as much as politics. But

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Speaker 1: I know what you mean, or John and Bud, you guys,

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00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Like you click on news

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00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: or even just the Apple news icon, and it's just

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00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: all bad things. This person's murdered. There's new variance, and

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Speaker 1: I can't take it anymore. I I barely read anything anymore.

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Speaker 1: When I know that I should to try to educate

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Speaker 1: myself and just be current, but it just it's all crap. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think about that a lot, because on

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Speaker 1: Pods of America, we're trying to tell, you know, educate

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Speaker 1: people about politics and inspire them to take out I

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Speaker 1: love you, love your show about it, Thank you, Wile,

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Speaker 1: But we I have to always calibrate, as does Tommy

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Speaker 1: and John and Dan, like how much bad news we

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00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: want to deliver. How like, even if it's a serious topic,

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Speaker 1: we try to keep it light. We try to joke around,

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00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: partly just because like everyone gets misery from their phones

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Speaker 1: or from watching the news on television. Like, if you're

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00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: going to listen to it, we at least have to

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: keep it light or else everyone's going to tune out.

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Speaker 1: And I don't blame them. I also think it goes

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Speaker 1: back to what you were saying about the show that

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Speaker 1: you're doing about the just just the digital era. The

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Speaker 1: thing is, if you really go back to how we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be living as a species, even though we're evolving,

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00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to figure that one out. We wouldn't know

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00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: things that were happening outside of our community. We wouldn't

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00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: really you know, we didn't have the resources. There was

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Speaker 1: only so much that you could put in the newspaper.

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00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: There was only so much that a news channel like

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00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: what makes the news hour. You know, now we don't

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Speaker 1: have that at all. There's not a separation. Everything is

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Speaker 1: available and connected and there's always a headline over and over. Well, now,

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Speaker 1: our ability to know about the world's misfortune is infinite,

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00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: but our ability to change it has stayed The same hopeful.

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00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: So that gap has made us feel a little bit

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00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: more helpless. And and then you have but you also

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00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: what you have is you have a lot of loud voice.

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00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: And the loud voices do not represent the amount of

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: people out in the world who aren't loud. They're a

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00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: small percentage. And I think that's the other thing, which

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: is we amplify the loud voices, but we forget to

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Speaker 1: listen to the solution oriented ideas. Well. You talked about

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Speaker 1: public service, you know, you talk about sort of you

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Speaker 1: want to do better, you want to do good. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: that's why politicians get into it, or that's what it

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: used to be. Now it just seems like a major

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00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: power grab, like there's nothing about helping any constituent. It's

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Speaker 1: just about staying in power. However you can, I mean

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Speaker 1: in your time in politics, even though it hasn't been

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00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, fifty years, but have you seen that shift

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00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: from wanting to actually do something good to now just

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00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: be a power play? So I think there's a there's

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00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: been a bit of a shift. I think it's a

1111
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: couple things. One the people who just want it for

1112
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: the title and the power are as Kate was saying

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Speaker 1: the loudest people who get the most attention, so you

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Speaker 1: hear about them more, You hear from them more than

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Speaker 1: the people who are just in it for all the

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Speaker 1: right reasons. And two, I think the people who would

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Speaker 1: traditionally go into the job or pursue a career in

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Speaker 1: politics for the right reasons are don't want to do

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Speaker 1: it anymore because it seems like a fucking mess and

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Speaker 1: because you open yourself up to like, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not just like you have skeletons in the closet kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. It's like a tweet that you tweeted a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago is going to come back to

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Speaker 1: haunt you, or something that you said that's taken out

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Speaker 1: of contexts is going to attack, or something you never

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Speaker 1: even did but people think you did. You know, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's so many reasons not to put yourself into the

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Speaker 1: spotlight that I think a lot of good people who

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Speaker 1: otherwise would be wonderful public servants aren't going to want

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Speaker 1: to serve. Yeah, Andy, are you going to be canceled?

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Speaker 1: Do you think at some point, once you become super famous,

1132
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Speaker 1: why did you even put that out into the eater?

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Speaker 1: Now there's a target that was like an FBI on

1134
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Speaker 1: the polygraph, who can find who can find dirt on Andy?

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Speaker 1: Andy's the least cancelable person I know. And if Andy

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Speaker 1: gets canceled, then we're all, I'm surprised Oliver hasn't been canceled. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have a theory about all that, you know, because

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01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: look at Howard Stern. Howard Stern has done some of

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: the craziest shit ever and he's untouchable because that's the

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01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: persona that he has created. And so it's almost like, oh, well,

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01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: he gets a pass. So the cancel culture does not.

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Speaker 1: It does discriminate, you know. I mean, if you have

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Speaker 1: already been that outlandish and you are Howard's type of

1144
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: Howard Stern, then he gets a pass. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think select no cancel cult. It selects for the shameless

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Speaker 1: among us. And if you're shameless and you don't care

1147
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Speaker 1: and you're not going to apologize because you say fuck apologies,

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Speaker 1: then eventually you just keep going. You just keep going.

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Speaker 1: That's like that was Trump. That's how we got Trump

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Speaker 1: com slash sibling of all of the podcast shows that

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Speaker 1: you've done about politics, What is the most sought after

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: and desired topic from your listeners, like within politics? Yeah,

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01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: like what what is the thing that you think they're

1178
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: just they want more of, They want to hear about more.

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Speaker 1: I actually think in the last year, actually probably from

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty is like voting rights and sort of the

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01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: state of our democracy in general. Kind of this conversation

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01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: we've been having where like are we still going to

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Speaker 1: have a democracy, like especially after the you know, attempted

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Speaker 1: coup in the insurrection, Like people want to know that

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Speaker 1: where people are going to be able to vote, that

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Speaker 1: they're not going to have voting restrictions, that their vote's

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Speaker 1: going to count, that we're going to have people, We're

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Speaker 1: going to make sure that people don't aren't able to

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Speaker 1: steal an election. Again, I think that our listeners I

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Speaker 1: hear about that probably more than anything else. So I

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01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: think it's sort of issue by issue. Do you find

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Speaker 1: that the Democratic Party is starting to split into two sections,

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Speaker 1: ones that are more sort of traditionally libertarian and then

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Speaker 1: ones that are very socialist. I think that the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party is always a million different factions. I mean part

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Speaker 1: of the challenges, as you know, we're fighting like sort

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Speaker 1: of an extremist faction of the Republican Party. And in

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Speaker 1: order to win in sort of a jerrymandered, you know,

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Speaker 1: anti majoritarian system that we have right now, you need

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Speaker 1: a large majority of people in the country to vote

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01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: for you as a Democrat. And so we won in

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01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty only by forty thousand votes across a couple

1203
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Speaker 1: of states, because that's the electoral college. By having everyone

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01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: from center right former Republicans who voted for Mitt Romney

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01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: and George W. Bush to the aocs and the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Socialists of the world, like they all had to be

1207
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Speaker 1: in one tent. And if we're going to keep winning

1208
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Speaker 1: elections and stave off potentially the end of democracy with

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Speaker 1: another Trump presidency or something worse, we need to keep

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Speaker 1: all those people in the same tent. And that's a

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Speaker 1: really hard job because you'd have, like you said, some

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Speaker 1: more people more libertarian, you have socialists, you have liberals,

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Speaker 1: you have centrists, you have moderates, and like, the only

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Speaker 1: way we win is if we all sort of work together,

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Speaker 1: and that's hard that's hard, especially in the country pay

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Speaker 1: say the end of democracy. But what is that? What

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01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: is that like hyperbolic? Or are you actually is that

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Speaker 1: a real thing for you? I mean, and what does

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Speaker 1: that look like really? Look? I don't think it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it looks like you know, traditional fascism

1221
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: that we might know but from history. But I do

1222
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Speaker 1: worry that if Trump Trump runs again, which he seems

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Speaker 1: like he wants to, I think he is the odds

1224
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Speaker 1: on favorite to be the GOP nominee. I think what

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Speaker 1: about DeSantis. I think he will crush DeSantis because I

1226
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Speaker 1: think people love Trump. All the polls show him way

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Speaker 1: way ahead of all the rest of them. So I

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Speaker 1: think unless he dies or goes to jail in a

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Speaker 1: way that he can't run from jail, which is also possible,

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Speaker 1: then he's I think he's got a very very very

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Speaker 1: good shot at the nomination if he's the Republican nominee.

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Speaker 1: The country is polarized enough that I think we're right

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Speaker 1: back to where we were in twenty twenty, which is

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Speaker 1: he is probably thirty forty fifty thousand votes away from

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Speaker 1: being a president again. And I think if Trump wins again,

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Speaker 1: I think the second term looks a lot worse than

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Speaker 1: the first because I think even in that first some

1238
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: of the people he had in government were not the

1239
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Speaker 1: people he really wanted in government. They weren't super loyalists.

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Speaker 1: Now that all those people have left, it's only the

1241
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: fucking hardcore nuts that are going to be left with

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Speaker 1: him in the second term, and they're going to do

1243
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Speaker 1: some scary shit. And it's not going to necessarily be

1244
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Speaker 1: like a fucking Hitler thing, but it's gonna, I hope.

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Speaker 1: But it's going to be you know, it'll be press

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Speaker 1: freedoms degraded, It'll be starting to go after enemies, maybe

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Speaker 1: using the Irs, maybe using some other government agencies. It'll

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Speaker 1: be putting in place more voting restrictions so that they

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Speaker 1: stay in power. Like it'll be gradual, but it will

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Speaker 1: not be sort of the democracy that we have now

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Speaker 1: or that we've known in the past, And it's going

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Speaker 1: to be I think, really hard for Democrats to win

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Speaker 1: again if that happens. So it's it's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a challenge. Do you miss being a part of an administration? No?

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Speaker 1: I I loved what I did. I was incredibly lucky

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Speaker 1: to work for Barack Obama. I think he's a once

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Speaker 1: in a generation talent. I can't imagine if someone like

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Speaker 1: him came along again what I would do. Maybe, you know,

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Speaker 1: I could do it again, but I was also young then.

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Speaker 1: I was in my twenties, and I could sleep four

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Speaker 1: hours and work seven days a week. And I can't

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Speaker 1: do that anymore. And I think because he was so

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Speaker 1: special and working for him was so special that like

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to just put that where it

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01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: was in my life. And I also just love the

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: job that I'm doing now. I mean, it's it's easier

1267
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: than working in the White House what I do now,

1268
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: for sure, but it's also very fulfilling. So I feel

1269
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: like I'm in like the best job ever. So getting

1270
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: back the brother thing real quick in a long time.

1271
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: And then, but are you guys super close now? You know?

1272
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: Are you guys still as close as you've ever were?

1273
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: You are? I mean? Because we Yeah? I mean I

1274
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: got one of the reasons when I left DC, or

1275
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: when I left the White House and I was in

1276
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: DC and I had to figure out where to go next.

1277
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: A main reason that I came to Los Angeles is

1278
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: Andy was here and I was like push, I was

1279
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: pushing it too. Yeah, and so I you know, once

1280
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: I moved out here, then we I mean we were

1281
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: always close, but then we got closer and now you know, uh,

1282
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: Emily and I see Andy and Molly and my parents like,

1283
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: if not every weekend, every other weekend. Hey, you guys.

1284
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: The one thing I'm looking at my notes here that

1285
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about, which we have to is your

1286
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: news around the house when you guys were kids. And

1287
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: I guess my question is do we still do the

1288
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: news around the house? And Emily, Emily uh spilled this.

1289
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was like, did they call our

1290
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: they called our parents? That would be a fucking nightmare.

1291
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: What is news around so many embarrassing? When we were kids,

1292
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to do like a fake news. I guess

1293
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: I should have known then that I was going to

1294
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: be a podcaster. We did a fake news program called

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: news around the House where we had a video camera

1296
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: because our our father bought a video camera. We're all excited,

1297
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: so we would set it up and do different news

1298
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 1: segments around the house. We do news, weather, sports, and

1299
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: it was just Andy and I and like one of

1300
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: our neighbors and we'd run around doing it, and the

1301
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: tapes are somewhere and I got I hope no one

1302
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: ever sees the like I guess I should I guess

1303
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 1: I should have known I was going to be an actor.

1304
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: Then I wanted that's right, Yeah, Andy was acting. I

1305
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, it was nowhere. Here's the thing. If

1306
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: I do get canceled, it's if those tapes come out. Wait,

1307
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: hold on, you guys. We used to make movies when

1308
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 1: we were kids. Not dissimilar. But there's one called the

1309
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,600
Speaker 1: Naked What was it the naked one or you're like

1310
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: the naked guy? Oh, butt naked, butt naked. It's called

1311
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: butt naked. Like like we should have known, you know

1312
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like we should have known. It was good.

1313
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: It was a great concept. The concept was the segment there.

1314
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: The concept was simple. It was that when the when

1315
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: there was kids playing and they made fun of this

1316
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: kid and they took his clothes. It was in the pool.

1317
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 1: So he's a naked guest at this house. He runs

1318
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: into the house and disappears. Now we cut bullied twenty

1319
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: years later, and the man living in the house was

1320
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: one of his best friends. And this little boy has

1321
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: been living naked within the walls of this house for

1322
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: thirty years, thirty years, and I played the naked guy.

1323
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: So I have races that were all crazy and he's

1324
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: like running around and there was running around naked through

1325
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: the window of like this naked guy running through our backyard.

1326
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: Send wow, yeah, no, I want to. I want to

1327
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: take a look at that. The videos we have and

1328
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: and most of them, I'm always the victim, like we

1329
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,560
Speaker 1: got into real horror stuff and I was always like

1330
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: the one to kill. I was always all right, guys,

1331
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: this is fun, let's do our speed round because this

1332
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 1: usually isn't speedy. One word to describe the other, Uh,

1333
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: this is Andy talking and I would say empathetic. I

1334
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: would this is John on and I would say driven. Oh.

1335
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: One word to describe your relationship, m hmm forever. This

1336
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: is John. I would say easy, good one, good one.

1337
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: Damn it. I would say this is so lame fun fun,

1338
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,839
Speaker 1: that's good. I like fun, Fun's good. Who is nerdier?

1339
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: We already know it is John Well. I mean, I

1340
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: mean it depends on how you look at it. He

1341
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: he he. I was pretty nerdy until late high school.

1342
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: He said it himself on the show. It was a dork,

1343
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: uh who was more of a good goody two shoe,

1344
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: I'd say me, Yeah, it was Andy talking. I still am,

1345
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: are you? And that's how you know what a chooses

1346
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: because like no one thinks of me as like the

1347
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: badass of the family, Like Andy won't even make a

1348
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: U turn, like no, no, no, no no, I'm by

1349
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: the book and you failed your FBI fucking polygraph. How

1350
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: is this possible? I know why? Because he wants to please.

1351
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: He wants to please so much and be liked so much,

1352
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: and he's lying to people. I wanted to I wanted

1353
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: to tell that FBI agent, but I was the biggest

1354
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: goodie two shoes in the world. Unfortunately, a backfire. Okay,

1355
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: what was the first job for each of you? Very

1356
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: first job? This is Andy talking. And I still think

1357
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 1: about this job to this day because it was the

1358
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: one of the best jobs I've ever had. I worked

1359
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: at Hille Golf Course in North Reading, which was the

1360
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: public course I worked there. I was like working in

1361
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: the cart barn, which is like you, you know, pick

1362
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: the driving range tool around on golf carts all day.

1363
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: I worked there with my best friend Bryan Hawks, and

1364
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: we had the best time ever. Would play free golf.

1365
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: We'red fuck around on the golf carts all day. We're

1366
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: getting in trouble and we were getting paid and it

1367
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: was it was fantastic. Did that all through high school.

1368
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: I love that so much. I was a cashier at CBS.

1369
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: It's terrible, not an ad. What was your first job, Allie,

1370
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: other than the mailroom because I was. I didn't get

1371
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: paid money, but I got free entry to like fishing

1372
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: boats when I was working, like as a pinhead on

1373
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: the Aquarius Oh cool out of Malibu off the pier. Nice.

1374
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: I didn't get paid money, but I got to like

1375
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 1: sort of fish for free and clean the boat. Great.

1376
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: My first job was at Bow and Arrows in Manhattan Beach.

1377
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: I remember, and I it was a clothing store because

1378
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: I was loved with my fashion and I got it

1379
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: was this tiny little store that sold like BCBG dresses

1380
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: and I used to see lots of cute hockey players

1381
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: and that was good enough for me. Guys, it works, okay.

1382
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: Who has the most power in your relationship? WHOA? That

1383
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: seems true. I don't mean that in like a weird way.

1384
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean that meaning like if you're going to be

1385
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: like we're going to dinner and someone's like No, we're

1386
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: getting sushi. We're not getting Italian food. Who's going to win?

1387
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 1: I would say that our wives have the most power

1388
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: in both of our relationships. Yeah, we don't. It is

1389
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: funny like when we do things together, all four of us,

1390
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: Andy and I don't even know that we're seeing the

1391
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: other ones. We don't even know the plans. Just figure

1392
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: it all out. What is that in our relationship? It's

1393
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: kind of a weird quessure, isn't. Yeah, we don't do

1394
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 1: a lot of things like go to dinner and stuff. No,

1395
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying about power, like the power dynamic, Like I

1396
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: think I've found my power in the last like six months.

1397
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: Who's the bigger daredevil. It's got to be Andy because

1398
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: I'm the least. Although neither of us are, I would

1399
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: say neither of us. We are both. I mean we

1400
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: take no risks. I love it. Yeah, Oh, I guess

1401
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: me and some things not like I'm not going to

1402
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: jump out of a plane or anything, but maybe I'm

1403
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: maybe I have slightly riskier behavior Andy. It's also funny.

1404
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: It's also funny you said that because you're like definitely

1405
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: afraid of flying. Yeah, that's true. I'm also oh yeah,

1406
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to. I wanted to touch on that. I

1407
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: forgot that about that, Like, are you still afraid of flying?

1408
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm always It's never stopped me from going somewhere. I'm

1409
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: not that bad. But I have yeh, you know, I

1410
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: have Benzo's for the flight. I like, even if I

1411
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: take them, if it's bad turbulence, I'll freaked out. It's

1412
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: not it's not great. So you're afraid of just plumbing

1413
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 1: thirty three thousand feet to the ground. Basically, yes, like

1414
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: if the plane exploded in the air, that would be

1415
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: one thing, but like the idea of this year is

1416
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: going to go and I'm on a plane by myself

1417
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: and it's going that was That's just that's my nightmare, totally.

1418
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: The mass the man's quite having a kid, has that?

1419
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: How has that changed? That? Has it made it worse?

1420
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: It's made it. It's so funny. It's for me. It's

1421
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,879
Speaker 1: my terror is so high that it's the same. It's constant.

1422
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: But Emily, my wife, she has never been afraid of flying,

1423
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: and now she's very afraid of flying because she's like,

1424
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,600
Speaker 1: I can't leave. Yeah, she she almost did the like

1425
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 1: should we be on separate planes? Yeah, That's why I'm

1426
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: not with Danny. I don't want to be on the

1427
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: same po No, I know, I know I want. I

1428
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: used to be so scared of flying. I used too

1429
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: like eighties an X and drink a few beers and

1430
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 1: I have about a good holy ship and then I'm

1431
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 1: like God, and then I'm out. Well, but then I like,

1432
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: then I realized if I did that and I have

1433
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: to land and work, which I last several years I've

1434
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: had in the White House to I'm like, I can't

1435
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: do that. So then I just couldn't do that. You know,

1436
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: then you just got a fucking white knuckle. White knuckle.

1437
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: So who is your Who was your first like celebrity crush? Uh?

1438
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: It would be uh Kelly Kapowski un Saved by the Bell. Yeah,

1439
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: watched all the episode, grew up watching, but we've probably

1440
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 1: seen every episode maybe three four times. That's awesome. Favorite

1441
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: book I don't read so favorite script, My favorite book.

1442
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: That's so hard. There's so it's so hard, And I

1443
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: don't read that much either. I just read the news,

1444
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: Guilty Pleasure, vander Pump Rules. Yeah. I can watch some

1445
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: reality TV. Yeah, just shitty shitty TV. I like that's

1446
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: like shitty TV too. Selling Sunset that's my current Yeah,

1447
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: my god, I love Selling Sunset. Sometimes I just put

1448
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: it on in the background because it's so I like that.

1449
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: I've come to enjoy background TV, which is also bad,

1450
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I like below Deck Below Deck is

1451
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: that's good? Good? Okay, guys, let's do the last question.

1452
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: Oliver's is going to ask it. We always end we

1453
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: always end our episodes with this, and it's a two

1454
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: part question and I'll use you go. The first part

1455
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: is if looking into dealing with each other? Right, if

1456
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: you can, do you forget the first question? Why this

1457
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: is so weird because we haven't done a podcast in

1458
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: eight months. Okay, So it's a two part So the

1459
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: two part question. The two part question is what is

1460
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: one thing that if you could sort of alleviate on

1461
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: your brother? I know, but I'm remember that you could

1462
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: alleviate from your brother that you think would actually be

1463
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: make make sort of the daily life or his his

1464
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: life just feel that much better. What would that be

1465
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: that you could alleviate? The other thing is is what

1466
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: is something that you would love to emulate. I can

1467
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: tell you this is Andy talking. I would alleviate John's

1468
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: Twitter account, and that would probably make his life one

1469
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: hundred times Why why why? Because it drives him insane?

1470
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: Is it just so negative all the time. No, it's

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Speaker 1: just that that's it consumes too much of my attention, right,

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Speaker 1: I should be like living more of my life, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: than doing it. I think for Andy, I would oh, wait, no,

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Speaker 1: you have to do that. What do you want to emulate? Oh?

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Speaker 1: He does both great. What I would emulate, Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: John's new dad, and I've seen him with Charlie and

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Speaker 1: I I am not a dad yet, but I really

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Speaker 1: would like to emulate how John's been as a dad.

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Speaker 1: It's nice, and I would alleviate some of Andy's anxieties.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, like we said that neither of us

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Speaker 1: are that big risk takers and don't have like daredevils

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Speaker 1: or stuff like that. But I think that Andy could.

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Speaker 1: I think if he was a little looser sometimes he

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Speaker 1: would maybe be a little. Molly would agree with you

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Speaker 1: on that. Molly would agree with me on that for sure.

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Speaker 1: And I would emulate just how committed and driven he is.

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Speaker 1: Watching him pursue acting over the last ten years has

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Speaker 1: just like always been a model for me of someone

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Speaker 1: who is so committed, so hard working and just puts

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Speaker 1: his head down and keeps going no matter what, And like,

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Speaker 1: I think that's just such a awesome. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a tough quality to to just sort of develop on

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Speaker 1: your own, but he's had it innately for so long

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Speaker 1: and it's really something to admire. Good guys, thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming. I loved this time of Yeah, thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: This was a blast, really great. Sibling Revelry is executive

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Speaker 1: produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer is Alison. President,

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Speaker 1: editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson aka Uncle Mark.

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