WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance | 2. The Lovers 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.440 Hi is Steve Fishman from Orbit Media. Thanks for listening 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:06.480 to Death and Deceit in Alliance. Hope you enjoy this 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:11.600 new episode. For access to all fourteen episodes ad free 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.920 and all at once, subscribe with Apple Podcasts on our 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:16.800 show page. 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.960 Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.400 The murder of a mother of five in her own 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.440 home stunt the small town of Alliance, Ohio. Twenty six 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.280 year old i Ron Lang found in a pool of 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:32.040 her own blood. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:32.960 This case is. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.880 Filled with sex, secrets, and surprises. The attack grabbed headlines 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:39.840 as police hunted for a killer. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.000 I was showing a photo of Joseph Wilms. It was 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.280 not the man I thought leading the residents of. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.400 Nazis last what motivated them to give false statements? 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.480 Did the system convict the wrong. 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:52.880 That pretty much dead in the water. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:53.880 We need new evidence. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.640 This is Death and Deceit in Alliance, a real time 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:16.520 investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane. I'm Maggie Freeling. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.399 To start this journey, I want to take you back 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.280 to nineteen seventy two. That's when David was born to 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:29.200 Priscilla and David Thorn in Cleveland Ohio. David was raised 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.040 in a trailer in Ravenna, a town just a half 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.800 hour away from Alliance. David's dad was in the military 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.200 and was often not home. He had done tours in Vietnam, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.640 and once he was home, he didn't like civilian life, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.520 so he reenlisted. His mother was left to take care 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.160 of David on her own, but she also had to 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.000 make a living and was a long haul trucker, so 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:57.880 she was often gone for weeks at a time as well. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.920 Hi is this Priscilla, Yes it is. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.360 Yeah, I moved my driver over the road. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.040 I went to Canada and that wow. 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.040 Yeah, that was my big chance. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:11.760 You way. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.880 And then when he was five, the course of his 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:22.680 life changed. David's dad was dealing with a lot of 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.720 issues from his time in Vietnam. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:28.920 You know, he was in the Agent Orange. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.600 He went in after Agent Orange, and he was always 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.600 telling them he at she had es that and they 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:40.720 said nothing was wrong with him, and you know, he 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.680 had bad headaches. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:44.480 What did he say. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.440 He talked to me for quite a few hours, James Wareless, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:54.079 just questioning everything like that. Don't hardly have friends with me, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.640 you know, he wasn't he wasn't himself. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.680 He was talking monol if. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.519 He talked to me for quite a few hours. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:04.919 Wow. 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.360 And he told me he can I'll be home Saturday. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.440 And I go, what it was? 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.440 Fy? He goes, I go, you ud go? 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:15.680 How want to tell Fie? 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:21.040 You know? And he don't worry, I'll be home now, way. 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.440 Out the car and shouting, oh my gosh. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:25.440 Yeah. 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.240 Took me over twenty some years to be able to 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:30.600 say that without crying. 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:37.240 I mean, that is really really difficult. Afterwards, family life 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.960 started to spiral. David was lucky though. He went to 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:43.280 live with his grandparents when he was six and they 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.880 went on to raise him. In talking about his childhood, 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.680 David seems to glide by all the tumult. He says 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.680 he was a happy kid raised by his grandparents. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:01.160 I guess it would be. I would assume that she 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.600 had kind of consider it kind of boring. I didn't 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.640 really do much work. Kicked in with a couple of 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:07.720 the friends that I had. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:13.600 And we had upon how he's a fish. Hunt. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.000 This is David's aunt Vickie. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.760 He could run ATV's out there and hunt or do 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:21.000 whatever you want to do. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.520 So I would say David had a good life out there. 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.599 David was always an animal lover. He was always gifted 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.840 it humor. Even now when I see him in prison 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.760 and we do our video visit and we visit that guy, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:37.400 no matter how are you feeling, it's. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.560 Always in good spirit, smiling at telling Joe. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:45.040 So, David had a lot of pread. At around seventeen, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.120 in his junior year of high school, he entered a 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.960 trade school. He was studying printing, hunting trades. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.599 Yeah, from a hobject printing to the stream printing for gear. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:05:04.680 And that's where he met Yvonne Lane. Yvonne was born 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.080 just two months before David. She had two sisters and 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.560 grew up an Alliance. Historically, Alliance had been a thriving 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:17.400 manufacturing and railroad hub. Then manufacturing left and it became 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:20.800 part of the rust belt. In the nineteen sixties, the 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:25.160 population peaked, and at the time of Yvonne's murder, Alliance 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.440 was home to twenty three thousand people, and they were 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:33.120 not prosperous. The median income for a household was about 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.920 half that of the rest of the state. Unlike David's, 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:41.480 Yvonne's childhood is basically a mystery to me. I couldn't 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.039 reach her family and friends could really only speak about 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.279 her older years. What I do know is that she 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:53.040 grew up in a super religious Jehovah's Witness household, which 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:57.200 must have been challenging. As Yvonne got older, she started 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.800 to rebel and attract a lot of male attamps. She 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.760 had her first child at sixteen. From what I understand, 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.600 the child's father wasn't much in the picture. Yvonne was young, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.280 and her parents wound up doing most of the caretaking 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.280 of her son. Yvonne, now a mother, was looking to 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.120 do something with her life, so she decided to go 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.159 to school for cosmetology, and that's where she met David. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.440 They went to the sat In Trade School. David says 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.480 he'd seen Yvonne around for years and he was always 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:41.279 struck by her looks. He says, she was gorgeous. 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.359 Of course, that's what attracted me to her in the 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.720 first place. I'd just seen her at the school, so 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.159 whenever I talked to her, it was just then patting. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.000 In the hall the that dodge. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.400 And for the record, David was also handsome and had friends. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.480 He was kind and caring. With the looks and personality, 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.760 I'd say he was also a couch. To this date, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.000 over a year of research, I have yet to come 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.600 across one person who had anything bad to say about David. 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.760 After graduating, David worked making decals for restored cars. He 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.200 was doing pretty well for himself, making good money, and 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.960 everything was on the right track. One day in nineteen 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:26.480 ninety five, David says he was at an auto parts store. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:29.960 And that's where I had seen her again. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.160 By her, he means Yvonne. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:34.680 As soon as she. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.280 Come walking in, he just kind of cast me on 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:41.600 the shoulder and points. I was at the register in line, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.400 getting ready to buy something, and I turned back and 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.160 I looked and I recognized her that I couldn't place 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.800 her name because I knew that it was not a 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.080 common name, but I couldn't remember it being that it 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:00.600 was I would say, five, five years old, six years 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.560 later almost so by the time we go out, she 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.840 comes walking out, and then it just dawned on me 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.320 what her name was. So I said, you're gone, and 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.520 she looked over and she goes, I didn't think you 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.760 recognized me, And I told her I said, I couldn't 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.000 place the name that at first it took me a second, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:22.120 and then she just kind of laughed and we started talking. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:29.600 From there, David says he fixed her car and that's 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.120 how the relationship started. David's aunt remember seeing them at 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.400 family gatherings. 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.200 Alice thought she was very nice, very pretty. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:40.760 I can see why he fell loved. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.240 Her, and she seems like she made him happy. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.040 I think she did, I really do. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.000 I asked David to describe you, Vonne. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:52.560 I don't know. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.560 I guess I would have to describe it almost just 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.360 a social butterfly, because she could pretty much talk to anybody. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.000 If you were in the garage working on something, she 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.480 could talk to you, be knowledgeable about it. And her 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.640 only big topics that she didn't want to talk about 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:09.960 were politics and religion. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:11.400 You know. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.120 But she could put on the next clothes, we could 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:15.760 go anywhere. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.559 We could put on blood clothes and joke on the 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.360 four wheeler and build luodbogging. I went into the car, 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.640 so you know, we went from swap meets to drag 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:30.000 races to different track advents, and I mean she was 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:31.720 sheer knowledgeable about it. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:32.920 I mean she was into it. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.600 It wasn't like I was just forcing her hand and 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.920 dragging her along on everything. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.520 At the bloodler wanted to do or anything. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.760 By the time she and David started dating, Yvonne had 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.559 three kids. Her first was in the custody of Yvon's parents. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.000 I honestly thought that he was her. 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:57.000 Brother, that maybe her parents had a kid, and you 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.200 know later in life that they didn't actually intend on 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.880 having because whenever we had gone over there, it's he'd 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.920 call her sissy. So I just I just cook it 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.480 with the face that year that that was its hisster, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:10.920 you know. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:11.320 What I mean. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:16.520 Yvonne's second child is Preston, born three years after her first. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.880 This is Preston. He was six when his mother died. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.240 She loved playing flowers, did that lot? We went for 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.920 walks a lot. We played video gos. She was a 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.440 terrible cook. She loves calling jokes. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:35.199 What would she make that was so bad? 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:41.240 Well, the world's best bounce on eggs. They're like lover 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.880 and can you go to the eggs of the super Boss. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.920 Do you remember ever meeting David. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.240 Yeah, I've met him quite a few times, a couple 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.559 of times at the house, but mainly at his house. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.280 Oh, she would bring you guys over to his house. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.760 Yeah, this is a really cool guy. It's always really 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.640 nice to me. Sometimes it would only hang out with 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:03.080 just me. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.240 About maybe some Christmas stuff before or maybe it was 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:08.760 a birthday. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.640 Pregnant, Yvonne's third and youngest at the time was born 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.680 with a rare genetic condition called fragile X, causing developmental delays, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:23.160 learning disabilities, and social and behavior problems. Yvonne was actually 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.359 in the middle of a lawsuit against the Alliance City Hospital, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.120 claiming they cut off her son's air supply during birth 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.800 and caused birth injuries. Yvonne wasn't working when she died. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.720 She was receiving public assistance, including Social Security, for her 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:44.840 son's disabilities, so a lawsuit could have yielded much needed money. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.520 The father of Yvonne's second and third children is Eric Cameron. 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.400 Yvonn and Eric's lives would be intertwined four years, through 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:59.240 good times and bad. Eric was constantly in and out 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.200 of prison, and Yvonne must have been overwhelmed taking care 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.719 of the kids by herself, though fortunately Eric's mother took 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.800 in Vinnie, Yvonne's disabled child, and her parents had custody 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.440 of her first so to see her kids, Yvonne shuttled 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.800 back and forth between Eric's mother's house and her parents' house. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.240 When David entered the picture, Eric was in jail. I'm 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.040 not exactly sure for what. Around this time. He had 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:29.440 many charges, including domestic assault. Yvonne and David dated for 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.120 about a year, including after Eric got home from jail. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.920 David says Eric was continually interfering in his relationship with Yvonne, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.040 getting angry when Yvonne would take the kids out with him. 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.199 David says that one time Eric took his anger out 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.480 on David and destroyed one of his customer's cars. David 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.840 says that was one of the last straws. David was 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:56.120 convinced that a relationship with Yvonne was not sustainable with 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.120 Eric around, so eventually they broke up. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.760 You know, her and I didn't grow up hard or 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.400 anything like that. We got along great. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.000 I still had I still had a lot of love 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.040 for her, you know, so you had feelings even if 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.920 you break up. I think that's why people are so 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.000 mean to each other when they break up, is because 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.560 they truly love them, and that's what makes the hurt 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.680 that much more because you love them. And so when 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.040 something happened that you guys break up, you kind of 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.560 try to turn that switch off, and that's the only 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.920 way to make everything bearable is to. 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.080 Be angry with that person. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.520 And her and I never really had that because we 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.800 weren't breaking up for what either one of us were doing. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:49.560 We were breaking up because of Eric, you know. And 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.760 he was always going to be present because he was 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.160 the father of her other kids. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:58.680 So, by all accounts, Yvonne's relationship with Eric was up 0:13:58.960 --> 0:13:59.480 and down. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:04.760 Eric and Yvonne had they were good, but they had 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.120 some bad qualities when they're together. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.160 This is Tracy Loa, Eric's sister. Now I want to 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.319 pause for a second. At this point, Yvonne is around 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.839 twenty four, has three kids with two different dads, and 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:22.040 no one, especially me, is shaming her at all. I 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.960 don't care how many people someone sleeps with, or how 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.960 many kids they have at what age. God knows. I 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.200 was doing all sorts of things. But it is important 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.600 to talk about because all of this will play a 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.920 crucial role in her murder investigation. So you guys had 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.880 heard back then that she was sleeping with a lot 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.200 of people. I mean, did Eric confront her about this? 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:49.120 Yes, it's been confronted, so and that was a lot 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:55.280 of the issues that she actually cheated on them a 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:55.960 couple of times. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.760 That's why we were questioned questioning, and. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.680 By questioning, she means the paternity of her second and 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.720 third kids, whether or not they were actually Eric's. They were, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.520 but they thought about it. And these fights sounded violent. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.200 And I'm not saying she wasn't, but at the same time, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:15.120 it was both. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.920 Because she was hit She hit Eric too quite. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:18.400 A few times. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.200 Preston, who again was just six at the time, remembers 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.200 the fights between his dad, Eric and his mother. 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.440 I loved her. She's crazy, but I loved her. She's 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.040 definitely crazy. She had a seco of. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.240 It, kind of like a jack go and hide thing, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.720 you know, the times everything she would type, personality, a. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:41.600 Hunch you on the faces from baker cake. 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.160 Afterwards, David says he never saw any of that. David said, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.360 they got along great and she was wonderful. 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.960 It would never round anybody, and only round pretty much. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:55.120 Just do I ever seen her streak out towards anybody 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.400 other than my dad but me, And a few times 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.640 where she duc take me to my bed in port 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:02.320 soda on me. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:03.440 You just left me there. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.320 That sounds kind of abusive. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:08.440 It definitely it. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:14.000 I tried to kind of kind of twisted, but at 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:19.360 the same time, then she went through things like it's 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:20.960 like she would snap out of it and then she'd 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:25.640 be like the nice tours of the world. I don't know, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.760 it's kind of like she would just it's kind of 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.920 use your patience with me or something. So like one 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.840 time she was talking on the phone and I kept 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.240 trying to get her attention. Of course, you know a 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.720 kid to being a kid that kept pulling out of 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:41.400 her shirt to get her attention. She told me to 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.040 stop and I didn't, so she touched me square on 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.000 my nose and duc take me. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.520 She was over to the duct taping, so so she 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.520 was done with her phone call. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:58.440 Shocking allegations that I can't confirm. But I don't know 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.760 why Presston would lie about mom, who he says he loved. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.840 And I don't know if her mood swings play into 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.119 Yvonne's murder or not. But I had only ever heard 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.439 from David that Yvonne was a great mom and a 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.520 lovely person, and Preston, her son, says she wasn't violent 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.680 with David. But now I'm seeing a different side of Yvonne, 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:25.440 and I'm wondering did she piss someone off like Eric. Maybe, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.760 as I'm hearing all this, I can't help but wonder 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.680 if Eric isn't a more likely suspect than David. Their 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:37.520 relationship featured jealousy, cheating, and physical violence. Sure makes it 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.000 seem to me that in an emotional fit, someone in 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.359 Eric's position might lose control, grab a kitchen knife. Say 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.400 remember that murder scene. It looked like it was personal. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:55.320 The level of violence was so enormous. Things were complicated 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.960 in Yvonne's life. There were kids to take care of, 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.879 and fathers to juggle, and parents of those fathers taking 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.040 care of her kids. She seems to have struggled to 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:09.200 make money, and her temper too, maybe added to the chaos, 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.119 which may be understandable given how much she had to 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:18.080 manage in her life and for Yvonne, things were about 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:27.919 to get even more complicated. In nineteen ninety six, a 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.040 few months after David and Yvonne broke up, Yvonne was 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.760 back with Eric, but David got a surprise phone call 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:39.040 from her. She was pregnant again and she thought David 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:39.760 was the dad. 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.440 She asked me if I wanted her to have an abortion, 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.200 I told her, I said, I don't know if the 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.440 child is mine, but if the child is mine, I'm 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.520 not paying. 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.480 For an abortion. That was pretty much the end of 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:55.680 her or even talking for a minute. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.399 David gets another call from Yvonne. A few months later. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.119 Yvonne called back saying that she needed to go to 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.720 the hospital. She felt that she was having a miscarriage. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.960 But she wasn't. She was still pregnant. And a few 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.920 months go by and then David hears from Yvonne again. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.920 The baby is born November ninth, nineteen ninety six, shortly 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.720 after Yvonne calls David for a paternity test. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.840 I went over, I met her, I met him, and 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.040 to be honest, upon saying him, there was almost there 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.320 was no reason to even have the DNA. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.719 From the moment David saw his son, he says, he 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:38.000 knew he was his. 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.040 I mean he was mini me. If he's seen him, yeah, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.159 if she's seen him at that time, that was that 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:46.440 was me at the same age. 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.600 David did take a paternity test just to be sure, 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:53.560 and as expected, Brandon was his. Yvonne wanted David to 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.359 pay child support. It was fixed at three hundred and 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.320 fifty one dollars every month, which he says he had 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.480 no problem paying. He says he wanted to support his 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.040 son and be a good dad, and at this point, 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.879 David was twenty four and ready for the responsibility. He 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.800 had the job, the stability, and was looking forward to 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:16.240 raising Brandon. David and Yvon worked out an agreeable visitation schedule, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.200 and he and Brandon started to get to know each other. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.080 Can you tell me about that bond you guys had. 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.640 Yeah, it was actually pretty instantaneous, because I mean as 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.240 soon as I saw him, I mean, I recognize myself, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.520 but well, you know, he was a little shy at first, 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.600 but I'm a fairly outgoing person, so I didn't really 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:38.639 let him just look at me. 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.280 I just picked him up and kind of went from there. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.080 About two years later, by the time David was twenty six, 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.320 he was taking Brandon on all kinds of adventures to 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.280 fish in his pond and hiking to show him all 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:57.440 sorts of wild animals. Brandon loved animals like deer and foxes. 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:00.880 David said. Brandon also loved coming to his house because 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:06.440 David raised exotic animals, including a cougar cub named Harley. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:11.280 I personally only ever owned Harley. But I've had dozens 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.879 of lion cubs and tiger cubs and other cougars, and 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.760 I had a multitude of snakes though myself that I 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.719 had big body snake for bowers and pythons, but Harley 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.720 was the only big cat. And I mean, it's kind 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.520 of odd to have seen, you know, one hundred and 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.680 thirty five pound cougar that the Little Box trained. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.000 There's a photo of Brandon and David with Harley. From 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:36.560 all accounts, David and Yvonne had a good relationship, even 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.679 if they were broken up and seeing other people. In fact, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.120 David says they were talking about getting back together. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.920 You know, I had killings for her. She's the mother 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.119 of my child, and I never not liked her. I 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:53.200 mean when I was I was young, and like I said, 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.800 so it's pretty I started talking and everything, and yeah, 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:02.000 we've started kind of a relationship behind the scenes because 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.240 I was stilled dating somebody. 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:08.000 And Yvonne was technically still with Eric, although he was 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.480 back in prison on a drug charge. 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.240 And so you know, her and I became active again 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.720 with each other. Her and I had to kind of 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.720 stipball the idea about moving away to one app back 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.360 of moving out west and or going to the Florida 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.360 and potentially Atlanta. 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.399 And this is where David, being the nice guy that 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:31.840 he was comes into play. From an outsider's view and 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.000 what family members have told me, it seems like Eric 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.240 was the bad boy Yvonne couldn't quit. Whenever things got 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:41.399 bad with Eric, Yvonne would look for stability with David, 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.840 the sweet man with the good job and reliable income. 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.560 David told me they were even talking about maybe getting 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.600 back together and leaving Ohio and stuff like that. Yeah, 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.400 this is David's aunt again. I had heard that too. 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:55.320 You did hear that? 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.000 Okay, I did hear that. Do you remember? 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.479 Because I thought they were getting back together what I 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:01.000