WEBVTT - Over Hill and Over Dell (Dell Story Part Two)

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer at

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<v Speaker 1>how Stuff Works and I love all things tech, and

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<v Speaker 1>today we are continuing our story about Dell Computers. If

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't heard the most recent episode, go and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to that because that's part one. This is part two

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<v Speaker 1>and will be the conclusion for now for Dell because

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<v Speaker 1>the company spoiler alert is still around, so um yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll probably have to do an update at some point

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<v Speaker 1>in the future. But in our last episode, I left

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<v Speaker 1>off in when Fortune magazine first ranked Dell computers on

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<v Speaker 1>the Fortune List. But a lot of stuff was going

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<v Speaker 1>on that year. In addition to that, Dell released a

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<v Speaker 1>laptop full color notebook computer, but the mobile computers Dell

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<v Speaker 1>produced were plagued with technical issues that vexed customers and

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<v Speaker 1>Dell representatives alike. By the company was essentially forced to

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<v Speaker 1>scrap the notebook line of products, entirely writing off the

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<v Speaker 1>division and taking a forty million dollar hit against earnings

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. Yikes. Engineers went back to the drawing

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<v Speaker 1>board to design mobile computers that did not have such

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<v Speaker 1>problematic technological issues. Also in ninete, Dell lost thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars due to an issue with foreign currencies. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this gets a bit business ee, but it's important for

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<v Speaker 1>any corporation with global operations, and it's really not that

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to understand from a high level. So let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it first. Imagine you've got your home base of operations,

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<v Speaker 1>So for Dell, that's the United States, and the basic

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<v Speaker 1>unit of currency in the United States is the American dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>But Dell also does business in other places, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the United Kingdom, where the basic unit of currency is

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<v Speaker 1>the haypenny or the far thing or something. Just kidding,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, it's the pounds sterling. So an American company

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<v Speaker 1>receiving money from a British customer has to exchange the

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<v Speaker 1>customers pounds sterling to American dollars because it has to

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<v Speaker 1>cross borders. So the American company says, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take your pounds sterling, we'll go to an exchange

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<v Speaker 1>exchange it for American dollars, and that's the payment. Or

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<v Speaker 1>if an American company is paying a bill to a

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<v Speaker 1>British person or a company, it has to exchange American

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for pounds sterling. This is true for any two

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<v Speaker 1>foreign currencies. Of course, I'm just using dollars and pounds

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<v Speaker 1>for the sake of an example, but you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be euro and end, it can be whatever. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>business dealings between the US headquarters and British holdings have

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<v Speaker 1>to depend upon a currency exchange, and the American dollar

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<v Speaker 1>and the pound sterling do not hold the same value.

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<v Speaker 1>What's more, the value of each can change with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to the other. So let's just start off with the

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<v Speaker 1>current exchange rate as of the recording of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>For this example, one pound sterling is equal to one

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<v Speaker 1>point three three American dollars. But that value can change,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's possible that it can change in such a

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<v Speaker 1>way that a company could get the worst end of

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<v Speaker 1>a deal because of an exchange. So let's say an

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<v Speaker 1>American company accepts a payment, which would be a receivable

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<v Speaker 1>in business terms, and there's a British customer. The British

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<v Speaker 1>customer pays for a brand new computer, and the exchange

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<v Speaker 1>rate at the point where the British customer buys the

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<v Speaker 1>computer is at one point three three dollars to the

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<v Speaker 1>pounds sterling, and the British customer is paying in pounds

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what they have. It gets converted to American dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, let's say the britsh customer gets his or

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<v Speaker 1>her computer, they run it for a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>they say, this isn't what I wanted. I'm gonna want

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<v Speaker 1>a refund, So they return the product in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get a refund. Only now the exchange rate has changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the exchange rate is one point four or American

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<v Speaker 1>dollars per pounds sterling. Now the British customer bought his

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<v Speaker 1>or her computer in pounds, they expect the same number

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<v Speaker 1>of pounds in return. Let's say that they spent seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pounds on this computer. They expect a refund of

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred pounds. But now seven hundred pounds costs more

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<v Speaker 1>American dollars than it used to because the pound is

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<v Speaker 1>stronger against the dollar than it had been during the

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<v Speaker 1>initial exchange. That means, ultimately the American company has to

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<v Speaker 1>pay more in the refund than it got in the

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<v Speaker 1>initial purchase. The company loses money on the refund. To

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<v Speaker 1>protect against that sort of thing, companies sometimes use a

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<v Speaker 1>strategy called hedging. So, for example, a company might make

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<v Speaker 1>an agreement that locks in an exchange rate for a transaction,

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<v Speaker 1>and that exchange rate determines how much value must be exchanged.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that they lock in this one point

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<v Speaker 1>three three American dollars to pounds sterling. Then, whenever the

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<v Speaker 1>deal happens, because there was this agreement to lock in

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<v Speaker 1>the exchange rate, that's the rate that is used to

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<v Speaker 1>convert American dollars to pound sterling, no matter what the

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<v Speaker 1>current exchange rate actually is. So the amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>that changes hands could be slightly different than what it

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<v Speaker 1>should be based on the exchange rate. Or the company

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<v Speaker 1>might use options in which the company gets to set

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<v Speaker 1>an exchange rate that it can opt to use, but

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<v Speaker 1>if the actual exchange rate is more favorable, then the

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<v Speaker 1>company can switch over to that one instead. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that the American company says, all right, we

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<v Speaker 1>agree with an option to go with one point three

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<v Speaker 1>three American dollars to pound sterling. When the deal is

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<v Speaker 1>ready to happen, some for some reason, the British pound

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<v Speaker 1>has gone weak against the dollar, and now it's more

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<v Speaker 1>like one point to five American dollars to British pounds

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<v Speaker 1>sterling because of the option approach. The American company says, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to exercise our option and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>exchange at the current rate because will save more money

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<v Speaker 1>that way. I'm not entirely certain what specific hedging strategy

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<v Speaker 1>Dell Computers was using in the early nineties. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the articles I could find merely said that the foreign

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<v Speaker 1>currency exchange hedging strategy was a total fiasco and it

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<v Speaker 1>cost the company nearly forty million dollars as a result.

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<v Speaker 1>To top it all off, Dell began to face competition

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<v Speaker 1>in the form of Compact. Now, previously, Compact had been

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<v Speaker 1>known for selling much more expensive computers, but Compact released

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<v Speaker 1>a PC price at eight dollars. They were really taking

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<v Speaker 1>aim at Dell's position in the marketplace. Dell responded by

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<v Speaker 1>making some big price cuts in their own products, which

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<v Speaker 1>the company could afford to do because their operating costs

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<v Speaker 1>were much lower than compacts operating costs, so they had

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<v Speaker 1>a little more wiggle room to work with prices, and

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<v Speaker 1>the profit margins on Dell machines decreased, but the company

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<v Speaker 1>was able to maintain its position in the market. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't forced out by Compact. This combination of factors led

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<v Speaker 1>the company to post its first quarterly loss in its

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<v Speaker 1>history in nineteen. That quarterly loss was for seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, but the company was able to recover slightly

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<v Speaker 1>within that fiscal year. At the end of the fiscal

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<v Speaker 1>year they did. They still posted a loss, but their

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<v Speaker 1>loss was thirty six million, which is terrible, but better

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<v Speaker 1>than seventy five million that was for the fiscal year

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<v Speaker 1>ending on January nineteen. Now, several things changed at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>One was that Dell Computers, upon the advice of a

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<v Speaker 1>consultant named Kevin Rawlins, would pull its products out of

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<v Speaker 1>retail establishments. So they said goodbye to comp us A

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<v Speaker 1>and Walmart and Sam's Club, and they decided to no

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<v Speaker 1>longer use resellers at all. The company had been undercutting

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<v Speaker 1>its own revenue and also had to maintain much larger

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<v Speaker 1>inventories for those retailers than when it was just doing

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<v Speaker 1>the direct sales to customers. So Rollins would end up

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<v Speaker 1>coming over to join Dell Computers as a full time employee.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll come back into the story in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Another change was that Dell Computers stopped focusing on the

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<v Speaker 1>consumer market as its primary customers. The laptop problems, the

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<v Speaker 1>increased competition from Compact, and the recession had all been

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<v Speaker 1>factors in that consideration. Also, Dell's corporate clients were becoming

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly important and representing a much larger source of regular revenue,

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<v Speaker 1>so for the next couple of years, Dell would switch

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<v Speaker 1>its focus almost entirely towards selling computers to companies and

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<v Speaker 1>to large organizations, not to your average consumer. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>mort Topford joined the company as vice chairman. Mort Topf

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<v Speaker 1>had formerly worked as an executive at Motorola, and his

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<v Speaker 1>original plan was just to act as an advisor for

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Dell for just a few months, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>even built a retirement home for his wife and himself

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<v Speaker 1>to share in Nevada, but he ended up staying around

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<v Speaker 1>with the company for five years. He acted as another

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<v Speaker 1>mentor to Michael Dell. He helped guide the company through

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<v Speaker 1>restructuring and through growth, and he also took on more

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<v Speaker 1>of the operations of the company so that Michael Dell

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<v Speaker 1>could focus primarily on long term strategies and the big picture.

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<v Speaker 1>The company righted itself that year by n Dell reported

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<v Speaker 1>profits of one hundred forty nine million dollars. It also

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<v Speaker 1>grew by fifty percent, and Dell had entered the online

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<v Speaker 1>world and joined the information super highway. The company launched

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<v Speaker 1>a website now in nine. It was largely an informative website.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not an e commerce site, so essentially, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, hey, call this phone number if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a computer. Dell would actually launch an online

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<v Speaker 1>store the following year in nine. Six months after launch,

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<v Speaker 1>that website was generating one million dollars in sales per

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<v Speaker 1>day through the website. Three years later, the company was

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<v Speaker 1>making more than thirty million dollars in sales per day

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<v Speaker 1>online selling directly to consumers over the internet. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet that allowed Dell to get back on that

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<v Speaker 1>model of marketing directly to home consumers as well as

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<v Speaker 1>to corporations. While Dell continued to serve big corporate clients,

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<v Speaker 1>it once again could court those average consumers, all thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the Internet. Now, I have a lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>say about what Dell Computers was doing, but before I

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<v Speaker 1>go into that, let's take a quick break to thank

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsor. In nine, the company continued to do huge

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<v Speaker 1>business both in its corporate accounts and with direct sales

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<v Speaker 1>through the Internet. Dell was able to coordinate customer orders

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<v Speaker 1>with its own supply chain, and that kept delivery really efficient,

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<v Speaker 1>and it decreased the need for maintaining those large inventories

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<v Speaker 1>of computers. In Dell sold it's ten million computer. It

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<v Speaker 1>was by then the fourth largest computer company. It was

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<v Speaker 1>only behind IBM, Hewett Packard and Compact. By the company

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<v Speaker 1>was pulling in a profit just shy of one billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and had moved up to number two and in

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<v Speaker 1>Dell would take first place, overtaking Compact as the largest

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<v Speaker 1>seller of desktop PCs. It didn't lead across all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of PCs like mobile it was not as high, but

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<v Speaker 1>on desktops it was number one. Around this time, the

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<v Speaker 1>annual sales were reaching about twenty five billion dollars. The

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<v Speaker 1>company began to make more specialized computers like servers, including

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<v Speaker 1>data storage servers, which put Dell in more direct competition

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<v Speaker 1>with Hewett, Packard and Sun Microsystems. Compact was also in

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<v Speaker 1>that space. Corporate sales, however, we're starting to plateau, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Dell looked to make a more aggressive move in

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<v Speaker 1>the home consumer space. The company began to slash prices

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<v Speaker 1>on home computers, which prompted something of a price war

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<v Speaker 1>in the home computer industry. To great time to be

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<v Speaker 1>a shopper for a computer at that point, but not

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<v Speaker 1>so great if you were a company trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>money from it. Among Dell's competitors, there was some troubling

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<v Speaker 1>news Hewlett Packard and Compact. We're looking at a merger now.

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<v Speaker 1>That merger was a truly enormous idea. Hewett Packard CEO

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<v Speaker 1>Carly Fiorina had letter company in a twenty five billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar merger deal with Compact, which was a pretty contentious

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<v Speaker 1>event Within HP. Walter Hewlett, the son of the company's

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<v Speaker 1>co founder, led a campaign and even a stock proxy

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<v Speaker 1>battle against Fiorina opposing this merger. Several shareholders were arguing

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<v Speaker 1>that Compacts business already had a lot of overlap with

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that HP was doing, and that it made no

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<v Speaker 1>sense for HP to get into the low margin computer

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<v Speaker 1>business where you're not making that much profit on a

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<v Speaker 1>pur sale basis. They even pointed out that the main competitor, IBM,

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<v Speaker 1>was actually extricating itself from that very industry. This is

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<v Speaker 1>right around the same time that IBM said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>we tried selling to consumers directly to home consumers. Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that's an unsustainable business market for US, and they

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<v Speaker 1>turned their focus more to giant businesses. The merger ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>caused or exacerbated existing problems for HP, depending upon your

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, and the company would end up losing

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<v Speaker 1>about half of its market value. Fiorina would leave HP

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand five. The company would later split into

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<v Speaker 1>two different companies, and zd net would refer to the

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<v Speaker 1>HP Compact merger as the biggest merger disaster in tech history. However,

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<v Speaker 1>they are not the one opinion here. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people who argue opposite. They say it was

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<v Speaker 1>a successful merger, it took time, but that ultimately it

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<v Speaker 1>succeeded in what it was supposed to do, and said

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<v Speaker 1>that the integration of the two companies ultimately worked better

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<v Speaker 1>than what a lot of people were predicting either a

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<v Speaker 1>whether you consider it a success or a failure. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird to think that people have such radically different

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<v Speaker 1>views of this merger. Uh. Seeing two of Dell's big

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<v Speaker 1>competitors joined forces probably was a little intimidating at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The lowest price Dell computer in two thousand one would

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<v Speaker 1>be the five hundred nine dollar smart Step desktop. This

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<v Speaker 1>had an Intel Celeron processor. The Celeron was Intel's low

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<v Speaker 1>end processor. It was meant for less expensive computers, so

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<v Speaker 1>slightly less powerful than the stuff you would find in

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<v Speaker 1>the higher end machines. It came with a hundred twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eight megabytes of RAM, had twenty gigabytes of storage, had

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<v Speaker 1>a CD ROM drive, a fifteen inch cathode ray tube

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<v Speaker 1>monitor the old CRT monitor days those gigantic monitors, and

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<v Speaker 1>it also had Windows XP as the operating system. There

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<v Speaker 1>were no configuration options, so that helped keep the price low,

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<v Speaker 1>but it meant that you know what you bought was

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<v Speaker 1>what you got. You didn't you couldn't configure it and

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<v Speaker 1>make it better. In addition to slashing prices and building

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<v Speaker 1>inexpensive machines, Dell launched a new marketing campaign one I

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<v Speaker 1>remember really well. So there was an actor named Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Curtis who took on a role of a guy named Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve was kind of a a laid back guy who

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<v Speaker 1>had a frightening lye exhaustive knowledge of Dell computers that

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<v Speaker 1>was matched only by his enthusiasm for Dell computers, and

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<v Speaker 1>he would tell people in commercials all about the amazing

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<v Speaker 1>specs of the various computers. Particularly, he would be addressing

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<v Speaker 1>the parents of a student. Hey, Mr and Mrs so,

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<v Speaker 1>and so your son here wants adele and would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to talk about all the amazing features of this

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<v Speaker 1>Dell computer and how it was priced so incredibly low.

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<v Speaker 1>When they were won over by his pitch, he would

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<v Speaker 1>joyfully exclaim, dude, you're getting a Dell. There were more

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<v Speaker 1>than twenty of those commercials, but the ads worked. They

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<v Speaker 1>were popular, They struck nerve, they had the right balance

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<v Speaker 1>of humor and information in them. They got the Dell

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<v Speaker 1>name into a lot more households, and Dell saw increased

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<v Speaker 1>sales in the home consumer market as a result, but

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<v Speaker 1>overall the company was still dealing with a plateau situation.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand, Dell's sales reached nearly thirty two billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of money. But in two thousand one

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<v Speaker 1>they remained flat. They didn't decline, but they didn't increase either.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing about companies. Shareholders always want to

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<v Speaker 1>see a company grow because it's not enough to do well,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to get bigger because shareholders want their investment

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<v Speaker 1>to increase in value. So in February two thou one,

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<v Speaker 1>Dell held its first major layoff in its history, and

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<v Speaker 1>it cut about seventeen hundred jobs. The company was still

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<v Speaker 1>doing better than many of its competitors were. Some companies,

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<v Speaker 1>like IBM, had already pulled out the consumer market. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one, Kevin Rawlins, the man who had acted

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<v Speaker 1>as a consultant for Dell a few years earlier, became

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<v Speaker 1>the new president of the company. Michael Dell would remain

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO, and Rawlins tried to diversify the company's products.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to acquire a data data storage company called

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<v Speaker 1>e m C. The two companies had created a distribution

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<v Speaker 1>deal partnership together, but Rollins felt it would be best

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<v Speaker 1>if Dell acquired this other company, which had been around

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen Michael Dell, however, did not like this idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and he struck it down multiple times, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>argue about it several times throughout Kevin rawlins tenure as president.

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<v Speaker 1>Rawlins would later say that Dell was worried that this

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<v Speaker 1>acquisition would destabilize the company and It's funny because in

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<v Speaker 1>many years after Rawlins had left the company, Dell did

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<v Speaker 1>in fact acquire E M C for a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money. I'll talk more about that towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode. Dell did start offering other products, however,

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<v Speaker 1>including stuff like digital audio players, printers, and televisions. This

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<v Speaker 1>was not in the same realm as what Rawlins was thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>He was thinking about infrastructure types of products, things that

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<v Speaker 1>companies would use to run the businesses that they do,

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<v Speaker 1>and Michael Dell was thinking of more sort of consumer

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<v Speaker 1>friendly technologies that were closer in at least in concept,

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<v Speaker 1>to the computers he had been building for years. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand three, the company would change its name again,

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<v Speaker 1>now calling itself Dell Incorporated, to help reflect that the

0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.800
<v Speaker 1>company was no longer focusing solely on computers. In March

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand four, Michael Dell decided to step down as

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of the company. Kevin Rawlins would take over both

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<v Speaker 1>as president and CEO. Michael Dell, however, would stay on

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<v Speaker 1>as chairman of the board, but ostensibly he had stepped

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<v Speaker 1>back from the daily operation of the company. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not the end of Michael Dell's involvement with the company

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<v Speaker 1>that shares his name. However, Rawlins meanwhile had set some

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<v Speaker 1>really high goals, and in two thousand four he had

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of momentum going behind him. He had

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<v Speaker 1>no reason to believe that Dell couldn't hit these goals,

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<v Speaker 1>so he wanted Dell to hit sixty billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>revenue by the end of two thousand six and eighty

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<v Speaker 1>billion by two thousand nine at the latest. He also

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<v Speaker 1>was guiding the company to enter into new businesses, including

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<v Speaker 1>providing services and not just hardware. But things did not

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<v Speaker 1>go smoothly. To put it lightly, not that the rough

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<v Speaker 1>times all fall at Rollin's feet and he's not responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for all of it. For one thing, corporations started to

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<v Speaker 1>back off their previously aggressive upgrading and purchasing strategies. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of companies had been buying computers and upgrading computers

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<v Speaker 1>at a really aggressive schedule. So you might have a

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<v Speaker 1>company by all new computers for its employees and then

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<v Speaker 1>upgrade them a year later. But more companies were starting

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<v Speaker 1>to wait longer to upgrade their machines because the machines

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<v Speaker 1>that were coming out could still do all the work

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<v Speaker 1>that they needed them to do for longer they were

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<v Speaker 1>that fast, so there was less demand for computers, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge blow to Dell, which got about eight

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<v Speaker 1>five of all its revenue from its corporate clients, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>in North and South America. On the home consumer front,

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<v Speaker 1>customers were beginning to feel the latest computers in the

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<v Speaker 1>market offered up very few advantages compared to earlier machines.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't seeing as much innovation in the space, and

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<v Speaker 1>customer service, which was once one of Dell's strongest features,

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<v Speaker 1>was now seen as an eyesore, a chore. Dell was

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<v Speaker 1>pushing more customers toward an online customer support model, and

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<v Speaker 1>the company had started to rely more heavily on customer

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:48.360
<v Speaker 1>service representatives who were located overseas, so they weren't Customers

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<v Speaker 1>weren't getting the the attention, the personal attention that they

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<v Speaker 1>had in previous generations of Dell products anymore. Dell's competitors

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<v Speaker 1>were doing better. Some of them were relying more heavily

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<v Speaker 1>on retail stores, and Dell obviously had a showed that

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't like the low profit margins they were undercutting

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.440
<v Speaker 1>their own sales. They found that direct cells worked better

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<v Speaker 1>for Dell's model. But the truth of the matter is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of consumers wanted to be able to see

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<v Speaker 1>and touch the computers they were considering buying before they

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<v Speaker 1>actually put money toward it. And if your business is

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<v Speaker 1>dependent upon orders by phone or online, then the consumer

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<v Speaker 1>never gets a chance to actually try out the computer

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<v Speaker 1>before making that leap, so it became something of a

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<v Speaker 1>barrier for sales at that point. Also, desktops were starting

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<v Speaker 1>to lose steam and notebook computers were starting to become

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<v Speaker 1>more popular, and Dell was lagging behind on notebook computers.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, Dell had long relied on up selling customers

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<v Speaker 1>with upgrades to basic computers, but by the mid two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand's even a basic computer was more than capable enough

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<v Speaker 1>to do most of the work people needed. You still

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<v Speaker 1>have niche markets like gamers who wanted to have the

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<v Speaker 1>best of the best, but for someone who wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>run word processing, maybe do some web browsing, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff, they didn't need anything more than a base model,

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<v Speaker 1>so they would buy the cheapest model, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the one that had the lowest profit margin for the company.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dell was stumbling. An HP was able to regain

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<v Speaker 1>its spot as the largest PC company in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Dell's stock had hit a high in July two thousand five,

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<v Speaker 1>but by the end of two thousand six the price

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<v Speaker 1>was down thirty seven per cent. Rollins did guide Dell

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<v Speaker 1>into one acquisition that I mentioned in a previous episode

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<v Speaker 1>of tech Stuff. That acquisition happened on March twenty, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand six. That was when Dell bought the boutique gaming

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<v Speaker 1>computer designer company alien Ware, and alien Ware continues to

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<v Speaker 1>operate as a subsidiary to Dell, largely autonomous, but they

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<v Speaker 1>get to rely heavily on Dell's assets, which is helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in that around that same time, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>video that went viral. As much as videos can at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, it's very widespread. It showed a Dell Notebook

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<v Speaker 1>computer that had burst into flames. Now, the source of

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the problem was a battery, and the battery ultimately came

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<v Speaker 1>from Sony, and Sony ended up having to do a

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<v Speaker 1>big recall on these batteries. But it was a Dell

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<v Speaker 1>Notebook in the video, and that did not help the

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<v Speaker 1>company's image. To make matters worse. In August two thousand six,

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<v Speaker 1>Dell had to disclose that it was under investigation by

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<v Speaker 1>the U S Securities and Exchange Commission a k a.

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<v Speaker 1>The SEC. Even by the end of two thousand six,

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<v Speaker 1>no one really outside of the matter had any idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what the investigation was actually about. They just knew

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<v Speaker 1>what was happening. But even that was enough to cast

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a pall over Dell. The details of

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation wouldn't become clear until years later. I'll explain

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what the SEC was looking at in the next section,

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<v Speaker 1>but first let's take another quick break to thank our sponsor.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and seven, the board of Dell asked

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<v Speaker 1>Rollins to resign as president and CEO. Michael Dell would

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<v Speaker 1>once again come forward to take control of the company,

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<v Speaker 1>and the company was still under investigation for mysterious reasons

0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't become clear until Dell Incorporated didn't exactly rebound

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<v Speaker 1>immediately under Michael Dell's leadership. The company was pursuing a

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<v Speaker 1>new strategy that he was calling Dell two point oh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. He was working really hard to diversify the

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<v Speaker 1>company's product line while simultaneously reducing the number of employees

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<v Speaker 1>at the company, downsizing in other words, or laying people

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<v Speaker 1>off or firing people, however you want to word it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dell also began to launch carbon neutral programs for customers

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 1>that got a reputation as being a green company. Many

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of the employees who were laid off were at the

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>management level. When Dell resumed command of the company, he

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<v Speaker 1>originally had twenty managers reporting directly to him. He reduced

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<v Speaker 1>that number to a dozen shortly thereafter. Ultimately, the company

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<v Speaker 1>would announce it was eliminating about ten percent of its

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<v Speaker 1>total workforce, which amounted to nearly nine thousand jobs. More

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<v Speaker 1>would follow over the course of the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>The company also closed offices and manufacturing facilities in Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>in Ireland, and the United States. It began to rely

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<v Speaker 1>more heavily on its factories in Asia or with contract

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturers overseas in order to cut costs. Alien Wears facility

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida and a factory in Austin, Texas that we're

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<v Speaker 1>making high end servers remained viable. Those manufacturing facilities stayed

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<v Speaker 1>active because they were both higher margin businesses, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the other manufacturing facilities started to close down.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand eight and two thousand nine, the company

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<v Speaker 1>made a couple of big acquisitions, bought Equal Logic, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a storage firm, and also Paros Systems. The company

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<v Speaker 1>also created a new end to end I T service

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<v Speaker 1>for customers. And Dell got a late start in the

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<v Speaker 1>smartphone market, but they did get into it. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nine, they introduced a smartphone called the Mini three

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<v Speaker 1>I smartphone. It ran on an operating system called O

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<v Speaker 1>Phone O s the letter oh followed by the word phone.

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<v Speaker 1>From two thousand nine to two thousand twelve, Dell would

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<v Speaker 1>try to secure a spot in the smartphone landscape, but

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately the company would withdraw from that market. By December

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand twelve, Dell was done with smartphones, at least

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<v Speaker 1>as a manufacturer, although they would sometimes sell them in

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<v Speaker 1>their store. But what about that SEC investigation I mentioned earlier. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>In two ten, the SEC revealed that Dell had been

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<v Speaker 1>under investigation because of some accounting practices in which the

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<v Speaker 1>company had failed to declare certain payments it had received

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<v Speaker 1>from another little company called Intel. So here's what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the SEC. Uh the this is, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the allegations, Dell received large payments from Intel in return

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<v Speaker 1>for a promise that Dell would not build computers using

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<v Speaker 1>microprocessors that were made by Intel's rival A M. D.

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<v Speaker 1>The practice apparently stretched back as far as two thousand three,

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<v Speaker 1>and the SEC said that those payments back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand three accounted for ten percent of Dell's operating income.

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<v Speaker 1>That amount would eventually peak in the second quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand seven fiscal year for Dell. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>Intel's payment was seventy six percent of Dell's operating income.

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredible. Dell had been using that money, according

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<v Speaker 1>to the SEC, to help pad out numbers for sales

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<v Speaker 1>when reporting earnings to Wall Street. So, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>Dell the company was taking money from Intel. They were

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for the reason to suppress one of Intel's competitors,

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<v Speaker 1>so sort of an anti competitive practice here, and then

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<v Speaker 1>use that money to beef up their own earnings two investors. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>without admitting it or denying any of the allegations, Dell

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<v Speaker 1>entered into an agreement with the SEC, which included paying

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<v Speaker 1>a one hundred million dollar fine. Both Kevin Rawlins and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Dell individually agreed to pay four million dollars in fines.

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<v Speaker 1>They also did not admit to or deny any of

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<v Speaker 1>the charges. Dell was really having trouble with its business

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<v Speaker 1>model at this time too. It was also finding it

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<v Speaker 1>challenging to enter the services market, partly because while Dell

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<v Speaker 1>made hardware, the products that it made still relied on

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<v Speaker 1>other companies software. Meanwhile, Dell's competitors, some of them were

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<v Speaker 1>making integrated systems. They were building the hardware and the software,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it made that a more attractive system for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of companies. So Dell was having trouble entering

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<v Speaker 1>into this field, and the company recognized that that was

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<v Speaker 1>really a a potential good source of revenue if they

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<v Speaker 1>could just crack it in. Michael Dell decided that extreme

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<v Speaker 1>measures were necessary. He felt the company had strayed off

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<v Speaker 1>of its path significantly and needed to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>services industry. But at the same time, it was beholden

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<v Speaker 1>to shareholders, and shareholders might end up holding the company

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<v Speaker 1>back from making some big, risky decisions. So he led

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<v Speaker 1>the charge to buy back the company, effectively turning it

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<v Speaker 1>back into a private company. Michael Dell, Silver Lake Partners,

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<v Speaker 1>and Microsoft would work together to make this deal happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and it cost nearly twenty five billion dollars. The deal

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<v Speaker 1>was eventually approved by the board and the group purchased

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<v Speaker 1>all shares of Dell for thirteen dollars eighty eight cents

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<v Speaker 1>per share, and so it was a private company once again.

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<v Speaker 1>In the five years since going private, Dell invested billions

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars in expanding its business in hardware, software, and services,

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<v Speaker 1>including the acquisition of e m C. That was the

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>company that Kevin Rawlins wanted to purchase way back in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid two thousand's. When Dell actually did acquire the company,

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<v Speaker 1>they did so for sixties seven billion dollars, which was

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<v Speaker 1>a record breaking deal for tech companies. The new parent

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<v Speaker 1>company of both Dell that makes computers and e MC

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<v Speaker 1>is Dell Technologies. Some company divisions, like the Infrastructure Solutions Group,

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing pretty well, doubling and revenue over time

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<v Speaker 1>as it sells products and services to businesses. Others, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Clients Solutions Group division, have seen their revenues on

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<v Speaker 1>the decline. The Client Solutions Group is the part of

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<v Speaker 1>Dell that produces computers and peripherals. In early July, rumors

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<v Speaker 1>were confirmed and Dell Incorporated released an announcement that the

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<v Speaker 1>company plans to once again go public. So five years

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>ago they go private. Now they're ready to go public again,

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<v Speaker 1>holding a new initial public offering. And it's a very

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<v Speaker 1>different company from that old upgrade kit business that Michael

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Dell launched out of his dorm room while at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Texas. Today, Dell's focus tends to be on

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<v Speaker 1>big things like infrastructure, storage devices, data centers, and services,

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<v Speaker 1>not just hardware but services to corporations. The company still

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<v Speaker 1>makes computers and you can still buy them, but the

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<v Speaker 1>bulk of the revenues come from much bigger clients than

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<v Speaker 1>your average home consumer. And Dell has invested in an

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<v Speaker 1>area sometimes called fog or edge computing. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>type of computing in which you have sensors and other

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<v Speaker 1>devices that not only gather data, but also process it

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<v Speaker 1>to at least some extent, before sending that information onward

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<v Speaker 1>towards the cloud. It's a little bit different from this

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>standard Internet of Things operating procedure in that field, devices

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>stream data directly to the cloud and that's where the

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<v Speaker 1>data is processed. So it's really just a matter of

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<v Speaker 1>where does the data get its initial processing, and then

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<v Speaker 1>what do you use that information for? Where will Dell

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<v Speaker 1>go next. Who's to say what The company is scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>to hold its I p O later in UH. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no telling exactly how well that will go yet, and

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<v Speaker 1>Dell has some big challenges ahead of it. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>very much a hardware focused company, and some people say

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe that ends up being a danger to it

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<v Speaker 1>in the long run, because more and more people are

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<v Speaker 1>saying the cloud, cloud services are where it's at. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is, Dell is way behind on the cloud services game.

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<v Speaker 1>You've already got companies like Amazon and Google that have

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<v Speaker 1>uh really firmly put a foundation down in cloud services,

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<v Speaker 1>so for Dell to compete with them would be particularly challenging. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it is true that cloud services depend upon hardware, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can't run a cloud service without actually having computers

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<v Speaker 1>to run it off of. But it's also true that

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<v Speaker 1>these other companies, these big cloud companies, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>are building their own proprietaries systems or they're building them

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<v Speaker 1>off of off the shelf components, very much the way

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Dell Computers had done for years. So it remains to

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<v Speaker 1>be seen whether Dell can cater to those cloud services

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.719
<v Speaker 1>companies or rise up next to them to be another

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>big cloud services operator. Uh, there are huge challenges ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, the company continues to make computers, alien Where,

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<v Speaker 1>continues to operate as a largely a high end gaming

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<v Speaker 1>computer retailer, and uh, the world keeps on spinning. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I will end up revisiting this topic sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in the future to talk about what else Dell has

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<v Speaker 1>been up to. But in the meantime that catches us

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