1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug gottli What. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 2: Up Doug Gottlieb Show. In the Bonus Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do? 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: We got a great podcast hour for you. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: You'll hear from Dan Patrick, Nick right, Joe Klatt plus, 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 3: uh wait till you find out who or what's annoying 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: Jason Stewart. 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: But we we like to use this pod. 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 3: To go places that others cannot. We talk a lot 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: about Steven A. 12 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: Smith. 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: He's one you're annoying, probably more than anyone two or 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 3: three times over. 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: Max Kellerman was once a partner of Steven A. Smith. 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 3: On First Take, Max was kind of excommunicated and he's 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: been collecting checks although not working, and now it's kind 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: of back at work. Here was Max Kellerman on Bill 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: Simmons podcast talking about his time with Steven A. 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Smith and why it came to an end. 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 4: If you're doing a debate show and you're a competitive person, 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: why would you want me as a partner. 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: That's bad. 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 4: You want to go fifteen rounds every day with Mohammed Kellerman, 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: That's just bad. You know, it's it's embarrassing, you know. 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: So you think that was part of it. 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: He didn't want to put the time in or like 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: just want a different type of show, Like what's your take, 29 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: you guys will do is put the time in. It's 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: you know, it's a debate show. You're ready to roll 31 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 4: on what topics you want to like, Like like if 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: you're I have an idea, this is what I want 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 4: to put on TV. I want to spar Bud Crawford 34 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 4: every day for fifteen rounds and I want everyone to 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 4: see it. Eventually you're going to say I don't want 36 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: to do that anymore. That's that's That's one aspect of it. 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: There are others. In other words, That's what I could 38 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 4: tell you from my point of view. And I also 39 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: think that that if you make a calculation that if 40 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 4: you can be perceived as a solo act, really that 41 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 4: you can get paid at a certain level that you 42 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: can't if you're not a solo act, then you'd like 43 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 4: to be a solo act, or at least perceived that way. 44 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: Stephen A was the one partner I've ever had over 45 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: years where I didn't feel like a relationship was really forming. 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 4: And I like to go to work, and you. 47 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: Know, you could feel a little bit watching it, and 48 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: it was hard to tell how much of it was 49 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: theater and how much of it was like, oh, these 50 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: guys just don't get along in the same way, or. 51 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: Whatever you feel about who you're working with and what 52 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 4: the situation is. To me, a cardinal sin is betraying 53 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: that on the air. You should always be thinking about 54 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: making the show entertaining. And I do think it reached 55 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 4: the point on that show where it was like, come on, dude, 56 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 4: we get the first priority is to make good TV. 57 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 2: I think there's some telling things in there. 58 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: I actually agree with Max without intricate knowledge. 59 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: But what you're seeing is Max did. He did try 60 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: and win every debate. 61 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: Did And I would say, if there's a flaw to 62 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: Max's style, it's just that and I have the same 63 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 3: flaw as well, like I try and win every argument 64 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: as well, Like that's it's a really hard thing, and 65 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: you know Max would work very hard and support it 66 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: with you know, he loves analytical data, and again that's 67 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,519 Speaker 3: not necessarily the place where that exists. But I think 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: the part that made it bad TV was no, there 69 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: wasn't a relationship. Plus when one guy's really prepared, like 70 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: over prepared like Max was, and another guy is underprepared 71 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: and just shoots at the hips and like you're gonna 72 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: get exposed some And the guy who had the bigger 73 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: cachet was constantly getting exposed for not doing the work 74 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: and just going with whatever his feelings were. And yeah, 75 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: ultimately that makes stephen A look bad and he didn't 76 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: want to look bad. Yeah that makes sense, like completely believable. 77 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: It does not speak well for Steven A. Smith, and honestly, 78 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: on some level, it doesn't terribly speak well to Max Kellerman. 79 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: Only in that Kellerman it's like, you can win the 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: debate but lose your job. 81 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: Sometimes you can throw a debate on purpose. 82 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: Sometimes you can walk into one and you know, let 83 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 3: the champ take you down once because it is his show. 84 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: Max was unrelenting, unwilling to do so, and that's why 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: he was off the show. 86 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 87 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 89 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 2: Well, let's get to the Fox, says, and now. 90 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: Every day this time that Doug Gotlieb Show in the 91 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: Bonus podcast, we play a portion of a previous Fox 92 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: Sports radier Fox Sports One show. Here's Dan Patrick having 93 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 3: his reaction to the latest college ball rankings. 94 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 5: It is entertainment. You want ratings, you want Notre Dame 95 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 5: in there. There's a chance Notre Dame does not make 96 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 5: the college football playoffs. Now, there's some scenarios that have 97 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 5: to happen. But if I'm going to look at BYU 98 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 5: and Notre Dame straight up right now, BYU has the 99 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 5: better resume. BYU as Texas Tech coming up this weekend. 100 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 5: Notre Dame doesn't play until their next game, which could 101 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 5: be a bowl game or a playoff game. But if 102 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 5: you're just looking the eye test, BYU as a better resume. 103 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 5: Now we've been matching up Notre Dame in Miami, and 104 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 5: I still think Notre Dame is a better team. I 105 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 5: want to factor in how you play now. They did 106 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 5: have two losses. They did lose to Miami, they lost 107 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 5: at home to Texas Tech. But Texas to me is 108 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 5: playing as good to football as maybe anybody is right now. 109 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 5: But they have three losses and they went out and 110 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 5: scheduled Ohio State to start the year. If BYU doesn't 111 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 5: have a game this weekend. Is BYU going to be 112 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 5: in the college football playoffs? If Texas had one more 113 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 5: game and won the game, would they be in the playoffs? See, 114 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 5: this is where it gets tricky with these conference title games. 115 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 5: I don't like them. I think it's a money grab 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 5: and I think at times it does hurt some of 117 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 5: these schools that if they do lose, then they're not 118 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 5: going to be in the college football playoffs. 119 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 3: Couldn't be more right, couldn't be more right. It's the 120 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: catch twenty two of it. The good side of it 121 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: is a team like BYU has a chance to play 122 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: their way in. The bad side to it is a 123 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: team like Alabama could play their way out. And this 124 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: is where there's a lack of uniformity. But I don't 125 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 3: know how you fix it. Because if you're going to 126 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: have conference championship games, which you're going to because it 127 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: makes too much money, If you're going to have conference 128 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: championship games, you're never going to have a true conference 129 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: championship because you got. 130 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: Too many teams in these conferences. 131 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: Now you almost need a tournament for the conference to 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: then decide who gets into the tournament. Nationally, here's Nick 133 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: right talking about Giants quarterback Jackson Dark. 134 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 6: Not only is this not admirable, it's idiotic. It shows 135 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 6: a lack of understanding of your importance to the team. 136 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 6: And there is a responsibility. The quarterback of a team 137 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 6: has to be available flatly, and it is the only 138 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 6: through line, the only trait. Every single one of the 139 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 6: Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmore adjacent and you know how far 140 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 6: down you want to go. All time quarterbacks have is 141 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: they were out there. It's the only one. 142 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 7: They have, all. 143 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 6: Different styles, backgrounds, playing all of it. They were all available. 144 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 6: And this strikes me as a combination of hubris, some 145 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 6: weird machismo that is unnecessary. Bro, you are a professional 146 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 6: football player. Everybody knows you're off. 147 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 7: Like you know what I mean. 148 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 6: You wear as an homage to your sister her necklace 149 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 6: when you play, which shows you're very confident in your 150 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 6: own masculinity. 151 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 8: Or whatever it is. 152 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 6: Doesn't care. We all know you've been that guy forever. 153 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 6: It also doesn't matter if you get knocked out of 154 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 6: the game, like it doesn't matter how tough you are. 155 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 6: And to your point that the one injury he's dealt 156 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 6: with in his professional career is the one that you're 157 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 6: not allowed to tough it out on. 158 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: It's a series of great points by Nick which echo 159 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: a lot of the sentiment I had yesterday. I do 160 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: think it's hubris, but I think it's kind of a 161 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: football guy thing. 162 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: I think it's youth. 163 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: But I also will tell you that most of these 164 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 3: guys say the same thing early on in the NFL. Usually, though, 165 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: they get their bell rung and then they stop. That's 166 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: the difference. And maybe this is his bell isn't ringing 167 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: loud enough for him to understand. How dumb the idea 168 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 3: of check my high school tape. This is who I've 169 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: been actually. 170 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: Is here's Joe Klatt talking about Lane Kippen with con Calhert. 171 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 7: He's got the five messiest exits in maybe football history. 172 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 7: I mean, think about it, Al Davis with the overhead 173 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 7: projector you got the Tennessee debacle. He's left on the 174 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 7: tarmac at usc Saban told him to kick rocks before 175 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 7: the National Championship Game. And now here at Old Miss. 176 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 7: So everything that you're saying, yes, if you're Old Miss again, 177 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 7: Ole Miss, the program, the administration, I'm sure that this 178 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 7: is kind of like, yeah, maybe this was always in 179 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 7: the cards or certainly we could expect this, But I 180 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 7: think of it not from the old miss perspective, and 181 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 7: I think of it from the player's perspective. If you're 182 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 7: one of those players and you're sitting in the meetings 183 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 7: in August in early September and they're talking about team 184 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 7: first and committing and let's go achieve something and here 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 7: are our team goals, well he just left that team 186 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 7: and they are going to field spurred and trust me, 187 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 7: like you're seeing articles out there where some of these 188 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 7: players are are pushing back on this narrative that Lane, 189 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 7: you know, wanted to coach and they wanted him to coach, 190 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 7: and they're like, no, you know, we feel pretty pretty 191 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 7: betrayed by Lane Kiffin, and rightly, so listen, I don't 192 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 7: begrudge this man his movement, and he's going to go, 193 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 7: and he thought LSU was going to be a better 194 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 7: opportunity for he and his family, you know, more power 195 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 7: to him, but that doesn't mean that there are not 196 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 7: consequences to those decisions. And he did leave a team 197 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 7: high and dry. 198 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. 199 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: I actually do begrudge the movement, but I can't because 200 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: of the landscape of the sport, Like I'm I have 201 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: to be consistent, right in order to be consistent. I 202 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 3: do feel that like we're in a I understand what 203 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: Joel's saying. I mean, as coaches, that's all you teach 204 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 3: your players team, team, team, team, team, and then at 205 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: the end of the year coach gets offered a you know, 206 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: a crazy opportunity. 207 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: If he does, if he. 208 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: Takes it, sadly, he's diminishing that same message that he had. 209 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 3: The problem with it is we're assuming that the players 210 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: are all in unstated at Old Miss, and the players 211 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: won't do the exact same thing. Yes, as coaches, you 212 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: have a greater responsibility, and so with that greater responsibility, 213 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 3: with the greater financial gain, you know, comes more harsh criticism. 214 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: I do understand that, but. 215 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: Again I blame it more on the timing of the 216 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: calendar more than anything else. Would I like to think 217 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: that Lane Giving could to stay at Old Miss and 218 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: write it out and being Old be Old missus head coach. Sure, 219 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: but it never felt permanent. And he was there for 220 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: six years and maybe he knows something which most of 221 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: us assume, which is you can't keep it going long 222 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: term at Old Miss and I mean, look, perfect example 223 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 3: is is Deon Sanders. You go back to the last 224 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: two years of Dion Sanders. Last year they were okay, 225 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: they're above five hundred. That was supposedly a turner round, 226 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: and you know, does he want to become an NFL coach? 227 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: Do other people want him now? 228 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 3: I mean you basically get to say, hey, give me 229 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 3: another year to keep my job. 230 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: That's how quickly this thing turns in college football. 231 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 3: So we're talking about this as if it's a regular 232 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: job with regular reactions to the ups and downs, and 233 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 3: that's not realistic. 234 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: That's what the Fox said, what does say? 235 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 236 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 237 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 238 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: Let's find out who what's annoying? Jason Stewart. 239 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,599 Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying? 240 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 9: Hey, Doug. You know, as we do this, we churn 241 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 9: out content. We just churn out content. I mean, if 242 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 9: you really want to narrow our jobs down, if you 243 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 9: run into a stranger on the subway, what do you 244 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 9: do for a living? I could say a churn out content. 245 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 9: We're just constantly churning, and within that churning sometimes you 246 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 9: kind of forget along the way that there was some 247 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 9: things that you said that were actually on point, but 248 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 9: you just get lost in the news cycle and the churning. 249 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 9: This is gonna be a long way of saying that 250 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 9: Pat Mahomes is annoying. Bear with me on this. Christian 251 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 9: Ellis hits Jackson Dart who was being cute on the 252 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 9: sidelines the other night. It was one of those hits 253 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 9: that would have been on Crunch course. Remember crunch course. 254 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, VHS. 255 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: Right, jacked up? You ember jacked up, jacked up? 256 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, great hit like throwback hit wasn't illegal. And 257 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 9: Mike Rabel talked about the hit yesterday. 258 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 10: I thought it was good. I thought it was excellent. 259 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 10: And again, this is both sides, and this happens in 260 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 10: this league. And if you're in bounds and you're not sliding, 261 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 10: there's a football guy player running down the sidelines, yeah 262 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 10: we're going to have to hit him. And whatever quarterback week, 263 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 10: it happens twice a week. They're over there prancing around 264 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 10: and you're gonna get hit. And if we show that 265 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 10: to Drake and our defenders are being coached the same 266 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 10: way when I say we better not get cued over 267 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 10: there by the sidelines, because this is legal, I turn 268 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 10: around and tell the defense if this is happening, you know, 269 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 10: we need to try to knock out of him as 270 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 10: legally as possible. 271 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 9: Now, somebody on this podcast said, I think it was 272 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 9: last year, maybe it was early this year that somebody 273 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 9: else was getting really cute on the sidelines, and it's 274 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 9: gonna maybe cost him, if not his career, he's gonna 275 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 9: miss a couple of games because they're going to get 276 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 9: the shit out of him. And Jackson Dart delivered up 277 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 9: the answer yesterday when he doubled down. I'm not gonna 278 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 9: change my style because others do it. 279 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 10: I mean, I watch quarterbacks who play kind of like 280 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 10: me around the league. 281 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 8: I watch, you know, how Josh Allen plays, Watch how 282 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes plays. 283 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: They take hits too, So I'm not like, I'm not 284 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: an anomaly here. 285 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 9: So I think thought I was halfway right. I thought 286 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 9: that Patrick Mahomes being cute and toe tipping on the 287 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 9: sidelines was going to get himself hurt or his career 288 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 9: in jeopardy. I didn't think about the downstream implications. Ooh nice, 289 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 9: down stream, young kids emulating being cute on the sidelines 290 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 9: and getting your ass kicked. Pat Mahomes, you are to 291 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 9: blame for that hit that we saw on Monday night. 292 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 3: I would agree, and is uh uh? 293 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 2: Is? Is Pat Mahomes annoying? Is what's annoying that? That's 294 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: my only problem with it. 295 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 9: Pat Mahomes is annoying in the first place because he 296 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 9: does this tiptoeing dance. 297 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 2: Thing, right, and then everybody wants to be like the. 298 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 9: Defenders have held up because he's Pat Mahomes. You're not 299 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 9: going to hold up for Jackson Dart. Ben Roethlisberger made 300 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 9: comments and then I thought, man, I remember something when 301 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 9: I first got here in twenty twenty one that Mike 302 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 9: Tomlin had said, I think we're the only podcasts in 303 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 9: the country that's going to have this throwback. So Ben 304 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 9: Roethlisberger made news yesterday when he said this on his 305 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 9: podcast about Mike Tomlin on the Stewards. 306 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 8: No, it's being talked about around here a lot. Maybe 307 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 8: it's time, Maybe it's a clean house time. Maybe it 308 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 8: is Maybe it's time. And I like coach Tomlin. I 309 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 8: have a lot of respect Coach Tomlin. But maybe it's 310 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 8: best for him too. Maybe a fresh start for him 311 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 8: is what's best, whether that's in the pros, whether maybe 312 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 8: go be Penn State's head coach. You know what he 313 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 8: would do in Penn State. He'd probably go win national championships. 314 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 9: Sounds good. That sounded really good, A nice soft landing 315 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,359 Speaker 9: spot for a coach. But do you remember when USC's 316 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 9: job was up Before Lincoln Riley got off of the job. 317 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 9: A reporter made the mistake at a press conference of 318 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 9: asking Mike Tomlin about the rumors that he was in 319 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 9: play for the USC job. 320 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 11: Hey, guys, I don't have time for that speculation. I mean, 321 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 11: that's a joke to me. I got one of the 322 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 11: best jobs in all of professional sport. Why would I 323 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 11: have any interest in coaching college football. That'll be the 324 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 11: last time that I address it, and not only today, 325 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 11: but moving forward. Never say never, but never. Okay, anybody 326 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 11: else got any questions about any college jobs is not 327 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 11: a booster with a big enough blank check. Anybody asking 328 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 11: Sean Payton about that, you know, anybody asking Andy Reid 329 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 11: about stuff. 330 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 9: Like that great SoundBite that Roethlisberger obviously forgot about. And 331 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 9: I dare a reporter today to run those Penn State 332 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 9: questions past Mike Tomlin. 333 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: That would be hilarious. Well what's the annoying part, though? 334 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 9: I just I'm annoyed by the fact that Roethlisberger did 335 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 9: not have the depth of knowledge and sound that we 336 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 9: did when he made that comment about, Hey, college is 337 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 9: a great option, you know, fresh start. Good luck with that, 338 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 9: Good luck with that. Clippers are annoying. You and I 339 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 9: have lived in this town. We know how the Clippers 340 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 9: are regarded. Most people in the country just think that 341 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 9: they're just kind of a forgettable franchise, like the Wizards 342 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 9: or the Hornets. But no, there's something a little bit 343 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 9: more incendiary about the Clippers. The Stirling years well reported 344 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 9: they were awful. It was toxic. But I will say this, 345 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 9: in the wake of Chris Paul being dismissed, the president 346 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 9: of the team flew to Atlanta this morning and dismissed 347 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 9: Chris Paul from the team. He said, go home. You're 348 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 9: not on the team anymore. It's kind of like a 349 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 9: aau thing or something. You just go home, get it 350 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 9: on your bike, and go home. No relationship ends well 351 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 9: with the Clippers, And in fact, like Chris Paul, I 352 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 9: think signed with the Clippers to retire with the Clippers. 353 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 9: If I'm not mistaken. Blake Griffin, remember before he signed 354 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 9: that big contract and was traded to the Pistons, he said, 355 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 9: I want to retire a Clipper, and we all know 356 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 9: how that went. I'm trying to think of a Clipper. 357 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 9: First of all, there aren't many Clipper greats. How many 358 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 9: have like ended well and been celebrated, Like what, who's 359 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 9: going to be a statue in front of Staples that's 360 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 9: a Clipper And they're just there's there's no positive, there's 361 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 9: just what what's what's the word? 362 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 7: Uh? 363 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 9: When you have all that in the bank, positive equity 364 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 9: or great equity with players and the Clippers. 365 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: So who's again, who's the annoying one? It the Clippers 366 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 3: that they're always. 367 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 2: This is always a Clipper thing, correct, Yeah, Clippers. Yeah, 368 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 369 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 3: The one thing, though, I'm gonna you are contradicting yourself 370 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: just a little bit, only because when you're stopped on 371 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 3: a subway, not that there's a subway that you ride 372 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: in LA, but when you're stopped at the bus stop, 373 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: not that you ride the bus in LA. 374 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 2: But if you did, what is your your job is. 375 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 9: A what a churn? Churn content content. 376 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: Well content, and the Clippers do give you good content, 377 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: Like the one thing we can we can count on 378 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: is and Chris gives us great content. Because everybody hates 379 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: Chris Paul, apparently including the Clippers. 380 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 9: I can't argue with that. 381 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: Yep, tough call, So Clippers my choices. 382 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, Clippers. Roethlisberger doesn't have the sound that we have. 383 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 9: And Pat Mahomes causing young quarterbacks to get their ass kicked. 384 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes because I'm gonna add to it, Okay, because 385 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: the whole Dylan Royola deal where Dylan Roola wants to 386 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 3: be Pat Mahomes as well, like literally mimics everything, Like 387 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: even that is annoying, right, So yeah, Pat Mahomes being 388 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: good but doing stuff that others are going to emulate 389 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 3: that becomes annoying, is annoying? 390 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 8: Why not? 391 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: Why are we doing this because we can? 392 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 2: Oh? 393 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 9: Man, you talk about throwback. This was Chris Paul's early contemporary, 394 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 9: Darren Williams now, oh yeah. For those that don't know 395 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 9: Darren Williams, he was a part of the Three Headed Monster, 396 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 9: the Illinois team that went undefeated with Luther Head and 397 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 9: some other guy that I don't remember, and then he 398 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 9: had a lucrative NBA career. I don't know if it 399 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 9: was very successful, but he made a ton of money 400 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 9: and now he's doing podcasts. Darren Williams is spelled d 401 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 9: E r O N, which is really stupid. His parents 402 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 9: set him up for a lifetime of people misspelling his name. 403 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 9: I guarantee if when Darren Williams goes to Starbucks, he's 404 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 9: never once had his name spelled correctly. He said something 405 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 9: interesting about the dynamic between Lebron and Luca some clips 406 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 9: of uh. 407 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 12: Of him or it looked like he he don't really 408 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 12: fuck with Luca, like not shaking hands. I seem like 409 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 12: a hole. It was like like seven clips ye didn't 410 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 12: help him up when he fell, just a little shit 411 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 12: like that. 412 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: So good, so good? 413 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 8: Uh. 414 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 3: Darren Williams, by the way, was known for having the 415 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: fat gene. Are you familiar with the fat gene? 416 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 9: No? What is up? 417 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 3: Fat fat gene in sports? Is like no matter what, 418 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: like you just you blink and all of a sudden 419 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: he's added ten pounds. Like he's never really in shape, 420 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: but never really out of shape. But if he doesn't 421 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 3: do anything every day like somehow he gets a little 422 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 3: he was. He was an amazing athlete and an incredible crossover, 423 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: but he always felt. 424 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: Like he was ten pounds out of shape. It's funny. 425 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 9: It's funny you say that because the person he was 426 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 9: talking to on that podcast was Raymond Felton, which I 427 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 9: always thought he had that same thing. 428 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, Rayon Felton for well, if you've seen Raymond Felton recently, 429 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: you'd realize he did. 430 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: Every day I get a little bit older and ball 431 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: there and fatter. Why could we play it for you? 432 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: Because we can. That's it for the other bonus podcast. 433 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: Check at the radio show every day three to five 434 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: Eastern twelve Towpacific, Fox Sports Radio. 435 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: iHeart Radio app. I'm Doug Outli