1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Chuck here on Saturday. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: I am in charge of picking out the Saturday Select 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: this week, and this week we're doing a two parter, 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: so you're going to hear the first part today and 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: then next week Josh we'll have his selection, and then 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 2: the following week you can listen to part two. Or 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: you can just get creative and type with your little 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: fingies on the internet and get part two on your own. 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: If you just can't wait two weeks. But here is 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: part one from December twenty six, twenty seventeen. All the 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: seven Wonders of the Ancient World work. Part one. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 4: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant there. 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: Wait wait, I know you thought I was going. 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 4: To say Jerry, but you're wrong because it's Nol today, 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 4: guest producer Nol, and that makes this stuff you should know. 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: That's right? 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: How you doing? 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm good? Noel? 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: Who is the uh the eighth Wonder of the ancient world? 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: He is and the modern world too. 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: He spans He spans space and time. 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 4: Yes, like the Colossus spanned the Harbor of Roads or 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: did it it didn't. We're gonna learn a lot, Chuck, 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 4: I'm so excited about this one. 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, these two? You mean these two? 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: That's right? 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I hit upon it, and I'm like, this is a 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: two parter right here, and I can't believe we haven't 31 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: done this already. Like everybody knows about the Seven Wonders 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: of the Ancient World, but nobody knows about the Seven 33 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 4: Wonders of the Ancient World, you know. 34 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: What I mean, Nobody knows about them at all. 35 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 4: It's like a perfect, perfect stuff you should know episode 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: if you ask me times two, Well, the sequel, that's right. 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: So to get started, we probably would Let's just give 38 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 4: a brief overview of the Seven Wonders. 39 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: Okay, let's do you. 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: Just want to like name them? 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna do them chronologically too, Okay. 42 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: Oh is that how they're listed for me? 43 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 44 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then first up we have the the the 45 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: Great Pyramid, the Great Pyramid of Giza. 46 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 4: Right, and then after that, again chronologically, there's the Hanging 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: Gardens of Babylon and apparently there used to be it 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 4: used to be the walls of Babylon in addition to 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 4: the hanging Gardens of Babylon, but they were removed later, right, 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: and then what's next, chuck. 51 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: The Temple of Artemies at. 52 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: Here we go the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus Ephesus 53 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 2: either one Artemis at Ephesus, nice man. 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: And then there's a statue of Zeus at Olympia, which 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 4: I have to admit I had not heard of before. 56 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: I had heard of that one. I think, I think 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: a couple of these. 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: I felt bad because maybe I had disregarded some of 59 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 2: this and wonders of the ancient world because a couple 60 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: of these were news to me. 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, so that one was for me. The 62 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 4: Mausoleum at Halli Carnassis was also new for me too. 63 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Colossus of Rhodes old hat. 64 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 3: Sure everybody knows that one. 65 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, Like, I've got Colossus of Roads underwear 66 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: on right now. 67 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 4: I know you wear you got that whole style where 68 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: you wear the sage and you show your underwear too, 69 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: That's right. 70 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: And then finally the Lighthouse of Alexandria m h which 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: is I think I had heard of that one. But 72 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: when you put these all together, it is not. It 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: is no small list. 74 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 4: No, And so this list, like you may wonder who 75 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: put this list together, you know, maybe Jacques Cousteau, maybe 76 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: Bertrand Russell, who knows. It's actually way way way older 77 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 4: than that. This list goes back to the time of 78 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: ancient Greece, actually, and they're not entirely certain who wrote 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 4: the first one, but there were several people who kind 80 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 4: of took the list and added to it or subtracted 81 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: to it. And there's a bunch of candidates for who 82 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 4: had written the list, But the one I saw that's 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 4: pretty roundly considered probably the first one to have written 84 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 4: a list is Deodorus Sicilis, or Diodorus of Sicily. And 85 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: the reason that these lists were made was because at 86 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: the time Greece had done a pretty good job of 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 4: subjugating a lot of the areas around it, like Turkey, Persia, Babylon, 88 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: and these places were now safe for Greeks to go visit. 89 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 4: And because the Greeks, who were wealthy and had a 90 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 4: lot of leisure time, they actually became some of the 91 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 4: world's first tourists, international tourists, And that was basically the 92 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 4: point of the list of the Seven Wonders of the 93 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 4: ancient world was hey, you should go visit these things, 94 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 4: go to these places and see these things, and so 95 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 4: some people would go do I think it was probably 96 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: a point of pride to be able to say I've 97 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: seen all seven what they called theamatta. 98 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, theamata translates as things to be seen, or if 99 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: you want to get even more modern, it's literally like 100 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: here are your mussies if you're going on vacation. 101 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: Right. 102 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: It was kind of like the first travel website. 103 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: Kind of, but it was just a list. 104 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it wasn't on the web yet. That 105 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: would take a couple hundred years. 106 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 4: Sure, at least a couple hundred because these guys they 107 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 4: did live in like the third, fourth, fifth centuries BCE, right, Yeah, 108 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 4: so over time this list, like I said it was, 109 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 4: it started out I think with the Great Pyramid has 110 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: always been on there, sure, hanging gardens have always been 111 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: on there, Temple of Artemis, stato Zeus, the Mausoleum, the 112 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 4: classes of roads, and then I think the lighthouse at 113 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: Alexandria may not have been on and it was the 114 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 4: wall of the Walls of Babylon, and they said we've 115 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 4: already got Babylon covered, you guys. This lighthouse is to 116 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 4: be seen, so it was eventually compiled and that list. 117 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 4: So the list itself is pretty ancient too. 118 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 119 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: In Babylon, if they had one motto, it was come 120 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: for the gardens, stay for the wall. 121 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: For sure, you know. 122 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 123 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 4: So out of all of those, the the only ones 124 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: that are still around actually is the Great Pyramid. 125 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: Yeah. 126 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: I mean there are bits of some of these in 127 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: various museums, most notably the British Museum. 128 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. And there are some ruins on the site still. 129 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, here and there, some ruins underwater here and there. 130 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: I used to have you been to a lot of ruins? 131 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: I've been to Pompeii? You me and I went. It 132 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 3: was kind of the fulfillment of a lifelong dream. 133 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, have you been to Pompeii? Yeah? 134 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 3: No, what ruins have you been to? 135 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: Just your your your garden variety ruins like in Rome, 136 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. 137 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, the call to see them, yeah, that 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: was something to be seen. 139 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: Huh. 140 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's part of me. Like when I 141 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: go to see ruins, it's it's really cool because I 142 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: try and take myself back to that time. But then 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 2: when I stand back and look at it and it's 144 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: current surroundings, sometimes it get a little. 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 4: Sad because there's a lot of people like chewing gum 146 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: and on their phone and stuff. 147 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah man, and. 148 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: Especially well we'll talk about the pyramids, but you know 149 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: you have you seen the famous pizza hut pictures? 150 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: No, what are you talking about? 151 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: Well, you know that the pyramids. 152 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 2: Oh is that a photoshopped No, it's not photoshopped. The 153 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: Pyramids back right up or I guess front, right up 154 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: to Cairo, So you always see the image looking at 155 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: the Pyramids from Cairo. If you see the image looking 156 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: the other way, there's like a city right button up against. 157 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: It, right, and an ancient Egyptian in the foreground turns 158 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: of the camera, the single tear coming down in his eye, 159 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 4: his cheek, but. 160 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: He was really Italian. Right, No, there's there there's a 161 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: literally a pizza hut KFC. 162 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 5: Which you could do worse facing it could be facing 163 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 5: the Great Pyramids of Egypt and the Sphinx, and and 164 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 5: one of the windows. 165 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Of the pizza hut there's the Pizza Hut logo. 166 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: And if you stand inside that pizza hut you can 167 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: take a photograph of that Pizza Hut cap and logo 168 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: kind of sitting on top of the pyramid, and so 169 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: you know, there are all kinds of photos now of 170 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: Pizza Hut, and it's just it's sort of you know, 171 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: it's not it speaks of the times, you know, sure, 172 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: which is what I talked about being a little sad. 173 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: There's a pizza hut, there's a friggin Kentucky Fried Chicken 174 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: yards from the Great Pyramids. 175 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know how I feel about that. 176 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 4: I guess, well, I think it's pretty clear how you 177 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 4: feel about it. 178 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: You don't like it, I don't know, But I mean 179 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: you can't say, like, no, what are you going to 180 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: have a restaurant here? You can't do anything. It's just 181 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: it is what it is, you know. 182 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's not like you're gonna live without 183 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 4: KFC for a second. 184 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: That's true. I would challenge some KFC if I was 185 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: over there too. 186 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: The very famous one by the Pyramids. 187 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 3: I know what you mean. Though, Sure, you know it 188 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: was kind of a little weird. 189 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 4: But at the same time, you're like, wow, you know 190 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 4: this thing was built by slaves who died working, So 191 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 4: maybe the KFC is actually preferable in some ways, you know. 192 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe that's what I should feel sad about. 193 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 3: Sure, just feel sad about both. 194 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 4: Okay, So let's go to the Great Pyramids of Giza, 195 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 4: and there's actually if you go, oh, we're gonna really 196 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 4: wear out the way Back machine. 197 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, this gassed it up. 198 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: It's ready, and I got a new air fresher, and 199 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: you like it. 200 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm not big on the Pineapple, but it's all right, 201 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: hill the old Pineapple. 202 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 4: We can swap it out for the second part. Okay, Okay, 203 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: So we're gonna get in the way Back machine and 204 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: if you go, we're actually just going to go back 205 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 4: a couple of days because we're going in modern times. 206 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: But if we're gonna look at the Great Pyramid at Giza, 207 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 4: there's actually just one of them that's on the list 208 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 4: of the seven Wonders of the Ancient World. It's one 209 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: particular one, the Pyramid of Kufu or Chaops is what 210 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 4: the Greeks call them, and his is the biggest pyramid 211 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 4: of them all. 212 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there are more than more than or 213 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: exactly eighty pyramids scattered across Egypt, various sizes, and they're 214 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: imagine they're all pretty great to go look at. But 215 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: the big daddy of them all, like you said, is 216 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: Cufu k h U f U, and it is It 217 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: is the one you know that you can get with 218 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: a pizza hut cap on top. 219 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: Right. 220 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: It's the main dude there with the three pyramids, with 221 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: the sphinx standing by watching over Kentucky Fried Chicken to 222 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: make sure nobody robs it. 223 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 4: Well, it actually would work really well for that pizza 224 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 4: hut cap because it's the one of the three. You 225 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 4: always see the three together. The other two are the 226 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 4: Pyramid of men Kuar and the other one is Pyramid 227 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 4: of Coffrey, and they're smaller, but if you'll notice those 228 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: two have points. Yeah, the biggest one, the Pyramid of Cufu, 229 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 4: has a flat top. Like it just knew that that 230 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: pizza hut was coming in four thousand years, right. But 231 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 4: so we know so little about this pyramid that they're 232 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 4: not entirely certain if this is true or not. But 233 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: there's a pretty widespread theory that that pyramid was actually unfinished. 234 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: Oh really, mm hmm. They couldn't bring those final stones. Huh. 235 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 4: Maybe everybody involved died or there was a change in 236 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: dynasty or something. But they think and there's other evidence 237 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 4: we'll talk about, but it seems like it might have 238 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 4: been unfinished. 239 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: Didn't Napoleon shoot off the nose of the sphinx? Or 240 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: is that a Is that an old wives tale? No? 241 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: That was isis? 242 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Oh? 243 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: Okay, probably so, Chuck. 244 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 4: One of the things that's so great about this pyramid 245 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 4: is just how massive it is, right, Yes, it's it's tall. 246 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: It's very tall. 247 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 4: It's like four hundred and eighty feet tall, which that's 248 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: that's a substantial height if you ask me. 249 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for a long time it was one 250 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: of the tallest or the tallest building in the world, 251 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: which is amazing. 252 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, until the fourteenth century when Lincoln Cathedral in England 253 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: finally topped it. So for almost for about thirty four 254 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: hundred years it stood as the tallest structure, the man made, 255 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 4: human made structure in the world. 256 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: It's hard to believe. 257 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty cool. 258 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: And then its side, each side at the base is 259 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: about seven hundred and fifty five feet long. They're just massive, 260 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 4: massive structures. 261 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 262 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: And you know how I was talking about the fact 263 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: that it's uh, it just butted right, up against Cairo 264 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: at least is not surrounding, like the city is not 265 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 2: just on all sides. So if you do look at 266 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: it from the city, it's on the Giza Plateau and 267 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: that is still you know, I'm not sure how far 268 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: it goes back, but you know, a nice wide aerial shots. 269 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: Looks like most of that plateau is pretty preserved, right 270 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: at least, So. 271 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 3: This the whole thing. 272 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 4: The pyramid was built sometime during the reign of King Kufu, 273 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 4: appropriately enough, and the king reign from I think twenty 274 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 4: five eighty nine to twenty five sixty six, So it's 275 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 4: pretty old pyramid, and it's it's you know, and it's 276 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 4: made of just a ton of blocks cut blocks, right. 277 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 4: One of the things like if you go on some sites, 278 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: you'll find people who just kind of poopoo the pyramids, 279 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 4: like it's just pile piles of stone. Oh, clearly, But 280 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: it's actually pretty clever engineering, especially considering how long ago 281 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: it was built. It's not just a pilot stone. There's 282 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 4: a lot of corridors and shafts and rooms, and the 283 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: engineers had to take into account where to place these 284 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: things so that the structure didn't collapse in on itself 285 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 4: as it aged. So it is a pretty big feed 286 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 4: of engineering just in addition to its size, you know. 287 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are more than two million pile 288 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: of stones. Who says that. 289 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: Some people online? 290 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, more than two million limestone and granite blocks, the 291 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: weight of about six and a half million tons. 292 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: And these things are. 293 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: Engineered such that they it's about a fifty one degree 294 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: slope on each side, and each side faces exactly to 295 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: the four cardinal directions. 296 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: So it's pretty impressive. 297 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no accident. It's not like it just happened 298 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: to land that way. It was all done very much 299 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: on purpose. These rocks fit together, the blocks really really tightly, 300 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: less than a fiftieth of an inch separating them. So 301 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: that right there is why these things are still standing, 302 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, right. 303 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: And so when you look at the pyramid, it's actually 304 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 4: so I think I said four hundred and eighty feet. 305 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: I think it's four hundred and fifty five feet at 306 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 4: its height. Originally it was four hundred and eighty feet 307 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: and it was also encased in limestone. 308 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: Well did it originally have the point then? 309 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: I don't think so, because I think they would. I 310 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: think there's some other stuff that suggests that it was 311 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: unfinished too. I don't know if it ever had the point. 312 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody knows for certain, but it 313 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 4: seems like it hadn't been put on yet. 314 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: Like an inscription at the top that's just not quite done. 315 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: Well, that's one of the things. 316 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: That's one of the reasons why they think that it 317 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 4: wasn't done, because it's lacking inscriptions that other pyramids have, 318 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 4: like in ass Oh, it doesn't have any no more 319 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: like we dedicate this to the Sun god raw and 320 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 4: the name of King Kufu. 321 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 3: And blah blah blah, right, yeah, the usual. 322 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: So it's lacking any kind of inscriptions. The king's burial chamber, 323 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: the actual sarcophagus, which is just this huge, massive stone 324 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 4: that they actually built the chamber around. It's not like 325 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: they built the room and then imported this thing. It's 326 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 4: bigger than any entrance to the room. But it's it's 327 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 4: kind of rough, it's got some cut marks still showing, 328 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 4: and it was obviously not finished. And then the other 329 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: reason why they think that it wasn't ever finished, Chuck, 330 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 4: was that there's no evidence that anyone ever found any 331 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 4: treasure loot bodies anything. Yeah, it's like it's this dead, 332 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: empty place that has never been used. Ironically too and 333 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: tomb dead people into it was just never finished either. 334 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 4: So that's one theory that it was finished and never used. 335 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 4: Another one is that it actually was looted, and it 336 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 4: was looted so thoroughly that there's just not even evidence 337 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: of it being looted. 338 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: Whoa. 339 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: And then that yeah, it's kind of impressive. 340 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: And then the last one is that it is finished 341 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 4: and that all of these shafts and like walkways and 342 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: crawl spaces that we found are actually meant to distract 343 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 4: you from the real places where the tombs are that 344 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: we've just not found yet. 345 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: Couldn't they find those by now? 346 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 4: Though not necessarily. They're still finding like secret rooms and 347 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: passages that are hidden from view. They're just starting to 348 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 4: now apply the technology to seeing through stone. 349 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 2: Literally, just get up the X ray camera right and 350 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: just stand at pizza hut, zoom in right and just 351 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: see what's in that thing. 352 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 4: You don't even need that you can send off for 353 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 4: some of those X ray specs from a comic book exactly. 354 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: I don't know why no one else has thought of 355 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 4: this yet. 356 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: So I have a question. Then they said it's originally 357 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: covered in limestone in that casing. Does that mean that 358 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: originally it was not in a step pattern and it 359 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: was just smooth on the outside. Yes, Well, how in 360 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: the world did they get up there? Would they just 361 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: slide back down? 362 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 4: Well, the answer that is obvious. It was aliens that 363 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 4: helped them. That's right, That's that's it. That's the answer. 364 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: All right. 365 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: I have no idea, Chuck, that's a really good question 366 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: to tell you the truth. Maybe they maybe there's a 367 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: passageway inside. 368 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: Right that they come out the top, you know, come out. 369 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: The top, pull the limestone up into place, and then 370 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 4: slide down it and start the process over again. 371 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: Interesting. 372 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 4: But if you want to see kind of probably what 373 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 4: it looked like, just go look at the Iron Maiden 374 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: Power Slave album cover. 375 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like smoothly covered. 376 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 4: It's not stepped, really, I mean, there's steps, but they're 377 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 4: they're meant to be like a staircase. 378 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 3: It's not steps on the outside. 379 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, So in the 380 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: fourteenth century, there was an earthquake, and as you'll see, 381 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: that becomes a pattern here with a lot of these 382 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: ancient wonders that would become ruins because of earthquakes. 383 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 2: You know, most of these in the Middle East. It's 384 00:18:54,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: a volatile area tectonically speaking, so you know, over the 385 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: course of thousands of years, things are gonna tumble over time, 386 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: you know. 387 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is what happened in this case. 388 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: It's basically earthquakes, earthquake, earthquake, earthquake, over and over again. 389 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: It's the great leveler of monuments, right. 390 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 391 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: But the Kufu Pyramids stood. It was stood that earthquake 392 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: because it's just more than a pile of rocks. It 393 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: is so big and so grand and so heavy, I guess, 394 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: and probably a little luck came involved as well. 395 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was also really good engineering too, for sure. 396 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 397 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 4: But the earthquake did get it in that it did 398 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: level Cairo, and they went out to the pyramid and 399 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: took the limestone off of it and used it to 400 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 4: rebuild Cairo. 401 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's another common refrain of notices. 402 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: A lot of these would be toppled, and then people 403 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: would come in and say, hey, let's use this stuff 404 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: for like actual for the city, yeah, instead of just 405 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: some monument to a ruler. 406 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: Yep. And if you are you ever going to go 407 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: see the pyramids. 408 00:19:59,600 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: I was. 409 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: It was sort of on the old bucket list until 410 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: I saw the pizza hut thing. 411 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: To day. 412 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: Oh man, that's funny. 413 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: And I read an article where someone was like, don't 414 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 2: do it, just don't go really yeah, but I mean 415 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: that's just one person's opinion. We also had people that 416 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: said the northern lights aren't that impressive. 417 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that one person. 418 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got shouted down for that. Oh my god. 419 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: It still happens from time to time. 420 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 421 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 422 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 4: So if you do go, though, chuck the way that 423 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: you go into the pyramid, as far as you can, 424 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: it's actually an No one's figured out how to go 425 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 4: in the way that it was intended. It's that entrance 426 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 4: is lost to history as far as I know. The 427 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 4: entrance that you use is actually a carved tunnel through 428 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 4: the pyramid from the ninth century from this guy named 429 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 4: Abdullah al Maman who oversaw a looting expedition, and he's 430 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 4: one of the reasons why they think that it was 431 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 4: unused because even back in the ninth century, this guy 432 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: couldn't find anything in the sealed pyramid interesting. 433 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: And you gain access to that through the bathroom of 434 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: pizza hut. 435 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 4: That's right with your X ray specs. Wow, you want 436 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: to take a break. 437 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do that. 438 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: Let's do it now. 439 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, we're back. 440 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: Yes, we are. 441 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 2: No more poopoo ing of modern things next to old things. 442 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: I sound like an old man crabbing, grabbing along. 443 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: That's all right, man uh. 444 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: And this next one is interesting, the hanging Gardens of Babylon, 445 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: because this is one that that may not have even existed. 446 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: These are this is the we're going chronologically, like you said, 447 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 2: so the second oldest if it was re built in 448 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: about the sixth century. And obviously these don't exist anymore 449 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: in any shape or form. But the deal is that 450 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: these this was in like modern day Iraq, and they 451 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: were gardens that it was really about the building. It's 452 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: kind of like the first big botanical garden, right. It 453 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: wasn't just things hanging from the sky. It was plants 454 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: and trees and everything planted in this grand, big building 455 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: that had water flowing through it. 456 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, in the desert. 457 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 458 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: So if it was in Babylon, it would have been 459 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: about ninety miles or ninety kilometers. I can't remember which 460 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 4: one Outside of Baghdad modern day Baghdad, right, And if 461 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 4: it wasn't Babylon, they think that maybe King Nebukanezer built 462 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 4: the gardens. This is according to legend at least sure, 463 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 4: he built the gardens for his wife Ametis, who was 464 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 4: from the north where it's much more fertile and green. 465 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 4: And apparently Ametus missed her homeland, so the king built 466 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 4: her the hanging gardens. And again this is in the desert, 467 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 4: so to. And Babylon was a magnificent place in and 468 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: of itself, again, like their walls were once on this 469 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 4: list of seven Wonders to go see, right, But supposedly 470 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 4: it was just this enormous building, tiered with huge walkways. Yeah, 471 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 4: and they planted it with dirt and trees. And there 472 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: was a quote that was said it was thickly planted 473 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 4: with trees of every kind that, by their great size 474 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 4: or charm, could give pleasure to the beholder. That was 475 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 4: Deodorus who said that, and he was writing like a 476 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 4: while after they would have been built. But the idea 477 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: that you could just walk down treeline avenues in this 478 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 4: building in the desert's pretty neat. 479 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get the sense that in today's terms, 480 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: it would be like a sort of a nice office park. 481 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: I gets. 482 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: So now we just take them for granted. 483 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: But back then it was a big deal. 484 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: You didn't have these structures with all these plants in 485 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: the middle of the desert like this. It was along 486 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: the Euphrates River most likely, and we're talking about I mean, 487 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 2: it looks any of the pictures that you've seen, it 488 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: really looks like it was something else. About seventy five 489 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 2: feet tall, like you said, tiered, this brick structure with 490 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: plants and waterfalls coming off of it, and twenty two 491 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: foot thick walls four hundred feet wide, and all manner 492 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: of flora all over the place, and irrigated from that 493 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: Euphrates River. 494 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: Right if if again it wasn't Babylon. But there's a 495 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 4: couple of reasons why that whole thing is why it 496 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: is question right. So for on the one hand, there's 497 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 4: no evidence of it. No one said this is where 498 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: it was, right, And other people say, well, of course 499 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 4: you can't say that these were plants, these were gardens. 500 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 4: There's not going to be any trace of it left. 501 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 4: Maybe you know, we've the building and we don't even 502 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 4: realize it. The reason why they think it might not 503 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 4: have actually existed in Babylon is because, first of all, 504 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 4: King nebukin Ezer love to boast about all of the 505 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 4: stuff he did. He left inscriptions in cuneiform basically everywhere. 506 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 4: He's like, you know, let out like a thirty second belch. Today, 507 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 4: King Nebucanezer, he would have stuff like this inscribed. 508 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, I can't think of anyone today who I 509 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: could like in that too, but yes. 510 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: Right, exactly like he was one of a kind. No 511 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 4: ruler ever has for any resemblance to him. But he'd 512 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 4: never mentioned the gardens of Babylon and any cuneiform tablet 513 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 4: that's ever been discovered. 514 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, he did not tout it in writing, which is 515 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: very very unusual. 516 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 4: And then there's another guy, Herod Herodotus. He was an 517 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 4: historian from Greece and he wrote a basically a monograp 518 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 4: on Babylon one hundred years after Nebukanezer, and he didn't 519 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 4: mention the hanging gardens at all. No gardens, no legend 520 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 4: of a garden, no talk of a garden, no garden. 521 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: I visited nothing about gardens. Yeah, and the idea that 522 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: he would have passed over one of the great wonders 523 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: of the ancient world. When he's writing about the town 524 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 4: that contains it, it's pretty questionable. So some people say, well, 525 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't in Babylon. Maybe it was in another 526 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 4: place in Assyria. 527 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the Assyrian queen built it. Maybe the ruler 528 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: of Nineveh, whose name and these names I just love 529 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: ticking through all these names, as if nebucad Nezar wasn't 530 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: good enough, Senakaib it's great, the ruler of Nineveh may 531 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: have built them. I had always thought these were real, 532 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: But I tend to think that maybe nebuchad Nesser didn't 533 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: have anything to do with it, because it doesn't You're right. 534 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: I don't think it makes any sense that it was 535 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: not mentioned in any of these accounts, right, because they 536 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: just and it wasn't just Nebukinzer all all this stuff 537 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: like keeping records. 538 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: It was all very new. 539 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 2: It was like the hot thing to do, you know, sure, right, 540 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 2: and so they wouldn't just say, oh, by the way, 541 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 2: we failed to mention we built this what would eventually 542 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: be a wonder of the world, but we just didn't 543 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: think it was important enough to write down. 544 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is from Nebukinezer, who used to leave 545 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 4: like inscriptions in the blocks of buildings saying built by Nebukinzer, 546 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 4: ruler of Babylon from sea to sea. 547 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: Even if he didn't build it, he would. 548 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 3: Have met right exactly, he would have mentioned it. 549 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Right. 550 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 4: So if if it was in NINEVA, it would have 551 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 4: been close to present day Mosl in northern Iraq, right right. 552 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 4: And if it was in NINEV, then we've actually already 553 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 4: found the gardens of Babylon because they they discovered a 554 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 4: structure that was clearly in something similar to what the 555 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 4: Gardens of Babylon have described. It was a structure that 556 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 4: had irrigation brought to it, that used water screws to 557 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 4: pump water remember from our Archimedes death ray episode, uh huh, 558 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 4: to pump it upward to this thing. So we found 559 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 4: a garden, basically a botanical garden structure in NINEV. So 560 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 4: if it is there, we now know where the hanging 561 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 4: gardens were. 562 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is the idea is that they took 563 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 2: this water up them from the Euphrates into these big 564 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: holding tanks, these big cisterns essentially on top and then 565 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: it would use a very clever system of gravity. 566 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: To then feed down and irrigate all the. 567 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: Different areas as it flowed downward. 568 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: Right, really something to see. 569 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 4: I can't imagine what it must have been like like, 570 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: especially they rely can't. 571 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: You know. I'm kind of disappointed now I have to 572 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: admit why we because it doesn't sound like it was 573 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: there or maybe even real. 574 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it could have been. In NINEV I think 575 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 4: it was real. I think it was a nineveh Yeah, 576 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 4: because if you if you look at the if you 577 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 4: look at some I think it was Diodorus. Diodorus's writing 578 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 4: from Sicily, the guy from Sicily. Yeah, he says that 579 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: there were hanging gardens, but they were built by Assyrian king, 580 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: So I'm pretty sure that's that's it, all right, So 581 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 4: they were real, Chuck, and we know where they are. Okay, 582 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 4: and then you want to do one more for this episode. 583 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's take a break and we'll come back and 584 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: finish up with the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus after this. 585 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 4: Okay, Chuck, and we're back. Yes, this one, this might 586 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: be my favor. Do you have a favorite one yet? 587 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: My favorite one will be in the next episode. Oh okay, cool, 588 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: how's that for a tease. 589 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: That's a great tease. 590 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: This one's pretty good though, because this took by all accounts, 591 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: over one hundred and twenty years to build in just 592 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: one night to go bye bye, yeah, which is how 593 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: it goes sometimes. 594 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 4: Yep, especially when there's someone with pyromania involved. 595 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 596 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 4: So ephesusesis Ephesis, That's what I'm going with. 597 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: How about you, Artemis at Ephesis. I think that sounds better. 598 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: I think that might be it. 599 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 4: So Ephesis is It's actually a pretty well known city 600 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 4: of the ancient world, and I think it's still around 601 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 4: in some way, shape or form. But it was It 602 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 4: used to be a fabulously wealthy port city in what's 603 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 4: today Turkey, but it was under the control basically of Greece. Yea, 604 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 4: from what I understand, it was allowed to remain an 605 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 4: independent city state, but it was still like that was 606 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 4: at the pleasure of Greece and then later Rome. But 607 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 4: they managed to be an important place of finance and 608 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 4: law too. I think that's where a lot of the 609 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 4: courts were was in Ephesis. But it was also well 610 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: known for all of its magic cults. Right, Yes, that's 611 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: where the Magician's mansion was located. 612 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: Back in the ancient world. 613 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when they call it the city of magic, 614 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: they mean that literally. 615 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 3: Right, not magic city. 616 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: But it had like a quarter of a million residents 617 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: at its peaker at the time when the Temple of 618 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 4: Artemis was in full swing, and it was originally built 619 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 4: this temple, this massive, huge temple back in five point 620 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 4: fifty BCE by a guy named King Croesus. They think 621 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 4: that that might be old King Cole. 622 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 3: Did you know that? 623 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 4: Oh really, m h huh, that's what I've always heard. 624 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 1: So King Crosis of Lydia. 625 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 2: And this one, if you look it up under the 626 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: images it is it looks like you're you're kind of 627 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: classic Greek temple. It's rectangular that it measures about three 628 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: fifty by one eighty feet. 629 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: And the thing about this one that is really jumped 630 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: out at me were the columns. And there are more 631 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 1: than one hundred columns and their marble and it's not 632 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: just like everything had columns. So that's that's all fine, 633 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: and well, these. 634 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: Are enough with the columns. 635 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: These are the ionic architectural style columns. But these were 636 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: like if you look at it, there like the two 637 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: rows of columns on the front. To me, like the 638 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: fact that they doubled them up and offset them is 639 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: just really kind of striking looking. 640 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 3: It is. It's gorgeous. 641 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 4: And if you just the size of this thing too, 642 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty feet in length right or in depth, 643 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 4: that's like one in more than one football field American 644 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 4: football field. Which is this is a pretty good sized temple. Yeah, 645 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 4: it's not as massive as you might think in this 646 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 4: but it's still pretty big. 647 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you gotta you have to think all 648 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: of this in ancient standards. Sure, like today you look 649 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: at a building in size of a football field and 650 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: it's not that big of a deal, but it's still large. 651 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: But by those standards back then, it was enormous. 652 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: Right, which I'm I'm happy with saying it's massive. 653 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, put on your ancient hats, folks. 654 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 4: Plus also plus also just the the ornate detail that 655 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 4: was carved into the structure in every single spot, it 656 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 4: was pretty neat. And then if you looked at the 657 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 4: pediment of the temple, the base, there was a door 658 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 4: and two windows. I believe the windows are on either 659 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 4: side of the door. That was not for Upion, that 660 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 4: was for Artemis to enter and leave her temple at 661 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 4: her whim. 662 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: That's right. 663 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 4: So Artemis herself, this is this is one of the 664 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 4: reasons why this is my favorite. Artemis herself was the 665 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 4: Greek precursor to the Roman Diana. Okay, she was the 666 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 4: goddess of fertility, of the hunt and I believed the 667 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 4: moon too, right, all right, And she was Apollo's twin sister. 668 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 4: She was the daughter of Zeus and Leto, so she 669 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 4: was a pretty important deity. But she was kind of 670 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 4: cobbled together at the Temple of Artemis with an already 671 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 4: much much much older deity for the area. And her 672 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 4: name was Sibyl, and Sibyl was based on an ancient 673 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 4: fertility goddess from nine thousand years ago. So they took 674 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 4: Sybil and they took Artemis, who basically represented the same 675 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 4: thing but to two different cultures, and they put it 676 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 4: together at this Temple of Artemis at Ephesis. 677 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're talking about a statue. I don't 678 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: think we said that. 679 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, we didn't. 680 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: We weren't talking about some kind of weird black voodoo, 681 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: black magic. 682 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 3: Right. 683 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: It's a statue built from gold, silver, ebony, and some 684 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: other stuff. They had laying around. Pull tabs from tabcans. 685 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: Sure, it was like a found object thing basically. 686 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: But this what's amazing about this one. 687 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 2: You can actually look up the statue even though these 688 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: are just I don't know. 689 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: If whether it were pictures of it or is this 690 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: just called from I. 691 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 4: Don't know, man, I'm not sure if it was just 692 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 4: from writings or if they do have it somewhere. 693 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: Well. 694 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 2: The cool thing is is the statue has this row 695 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 2: of bulbs hanging from her body and if you look 696 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: at it looks like she's wearing a. 697 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Tunic made of avocados. 698 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 4: Or like water balloons. Sure, but what they are is 699 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 4: up for debate. Some people say, well, they're obviously breasts, 700 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 4: she's a fertility goddess. 701 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, make a little it does. 702 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 4: It would make even more sense if it weren't for 703 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 4: the fact that Sybil's cult was known to castraight bulls 704 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 4: as sacrifice, so they think they were probably bull testicles, right, 705 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 4: and the actually the Sybil cult high priests would castrate 706 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 4: them so they could be more like Sybil I e. 707 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 4: Without testicles. Remember our castration episode do I Boy, We've 708 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 4: talked about a lot of stuff, Chuck, we have. So 709 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 4: you've got this amazing wonderful, super cool statue in an 710 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 4: already amazing temple. And it's not just me who thought 711 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 4: that that it was the most amazing one of all. 712 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 4: There was another guy who wrote. His name was antipurv Sidon. 713 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: He says, I and this is he's writing back in 714 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 4: You know, I guess BCE still because he was an 715 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 4: ancient Greek. But he said, I have seen the walls 716 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 4: of unbreachable Babylon. Remember that was originally when the Seven 717 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 4: Wonders along which chariots may race, and the statue of 718 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 4: Zeus by the River Alpheus, the hanging Gardens, and the 719 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 4: Colossus of the Sun, the Great Man made mountains of 720 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 4: the Lofty Pyramid, and the gigantic tomb of Masciless. But 721 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 4: when I saw the sacred House of Artemis reaching the clouds, 722 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 4: the others paled. 723 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 724 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 4: And that was Antipur of Sidon, right. So he's saying, like, 725 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 4: I've seen all the wonders, and to me, the temple 726 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 4: of Artemis at Efesis is the best. 727 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 2: And he said, you got to see it. She has 728 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 2: bolt testicles hanging around her neck. 729 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 3: You've never seen anything like it. 730 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: So this thing was very I mean it was it 731 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 2: was a legit tourist destination. People would travel long distances 732 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 2: to come to this place to see the statue in 733 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: the temple, and it was I mean, it's hard to believe, 734 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 2: but even back then they had. It boosted the local 735 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 2: economy and was literally supported by like gift shops selling 736 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 2: little statuette recreations of this thing. 737 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is already a wealthy area, so the 738 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 4: tourism was so big that that was still significant. The replicas, 739 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 4: the sale of the replicas still made that much of 740 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 4: a splash on the local that's how many were sold. 741 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: Like you go to New York City and you go 742 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 2: to a gift shop at at the Statue of Liberty 743 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,440 Speaker 2: and you buy the little replica that exact thing was 744 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 2: going on thousands of years ago. 745 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing new. 746 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 3: I want one of those. 747 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 4: That would be great if you're looking for something for 748 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 4: me for Christmas, an original replica from the BCE, okay, 749 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 4: of the Temple of Artemis. 750 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 3: I would love that, all right. 751 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 2: So you just want to give that's worth that's priceless basically. Okay, 752 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: So this story gets a little more interesting here. You 753 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,439 Speaker 2: mentioned a pyromaniac earlier in July three fifty six BC. 754 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 2: It was a man name and we almost didn't know 755 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 2: his name. He wrote Stratus, who is a pyromaniac who 756 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 2: burned this temple down for the by all accounts, for 757 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 2: the sole reason of living in infamy. 758 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: And there was a. 759 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 2: Decree that his name was I'll never be recorded at all, 760 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: so he wouldn't even earn that. 761 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: But someone did. 762 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 4: Well that was it was punishable upon death to even 763 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 4: say his name afterward. 764 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, a guy named who was it? 765 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 4: Theopompus was the one who wrote it down, who recorded 766 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 4: the act and so. 767 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 3: What's his name? Heristratus? 768 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, was was recorded in infamy just like he wanted. 769 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 5: He was. 770 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 3: He was an ancient jerk, I think, is what you'd 771 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 3: call it. 772 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 2: And the temple, this is the story gets even better 773 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 2: because the temple burned the same day that Alexander the 774 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 2: Great was born, which was amazing, and the temple. They 775 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 2: would later rebuild the temple and Alexander said, yeah, you 776 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 2: know what, why don't I why don't I pay for 777 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 2: this thing? 778 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: All you gotta do is, like I don't know. 779 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 2: Just throw my name on it somewhere, right, And they said, yeah, 780 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 2: that's nice, but we'll we'll just build it on her own. 781 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 4: Right, But then they backed slowly out of the room, like, okay, 782 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 4: that's okay, right, you're not gonna kill us, are you. 783 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 784 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: And I couldn't find a bunch of places that said 785 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 2: that he wanted his name on the temple except for 786 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 2: our article, So I'm not sure that's true. 787 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: Did you see that in other places? 788 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 3: I did not. 789 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's so the story goes. I'm not sure 790 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: about that though. 791 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 4: That's according to how stuff works. Yeah, so they rebuilt it. 792 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 4: They eventually did rebuild it, and I think it was 793 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 4: some Yeah, it was somewhat shortly after I'm not sure 794 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 4: actually how long it was after it was burned. 795 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, No one knows. They said they don't 796 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: know the date. 797 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 4: Okay, but it was rebuilt, and I think it was 798 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 4: rebuilt even bigger than before. 799 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: Sure. 800 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 4: But then in two sixty two CE, the Goths rated 801 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,720 Speaker 4: it raided Aphasis, led by Robert Smith and Peter Murphy, 802 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 4: and they burned. 803 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 3: That thing to the ground. 804 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 805 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 4: They actually broke the thing up and used the marble 806 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 4: to build the city. After what an earthquake yep, a 807 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 4: bunch of earthquake that's right. 808 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 3: It's the great leveler I know. 809 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 2: And then I saw another thing that said, and this 810 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: wasn't our our article either, but it said that it 811 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 2: was rebuilt again even after that, and then a Christian 812 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 2: mob came along and destroyed it. 813 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 3: Oh, is that right? 814 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: That's what I saw. 815 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 3: I've not seen that one. 816 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 4: I did see that Ephesis was an important city in 817 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,840 Speaker 4: the Bible, because I think Paul came and was proselytizing 818 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 4: there and started a riot because everybody's like, oh man, 819 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 4: your God sounds so great that it's going to undermine 820 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 4: our artemis and our local economy's going to fall to pieces. 821 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: Wait, an, your religion was so interesting, it really was, 822 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, all right, have you got anything else 823 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 1: on that one? 824 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 3: No? I don't, man. I think we've reached the end 825 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 3: of part one. 826 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 1: Hooray. 827 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 3: And if you're waiting while you're waiting. 828 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 4: For episode two to come out, you can get in 829 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 4: touch with us. We accept emails by the oodles at 830 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 4: stuff Podcasts at House Stuffworks dot Com, and has always 831 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 4: joined us at our home on the web. Stuff Youshould 832 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 4: Know dot com. 833 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 834 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: more podcasts, myheart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 835 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.