WEBVTT - Bachelor Countdown Day 4: Zach Shallcross 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.600 This is that Ben and Nashley I almost famous podcast 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:10.280 Bachelor Countdown. Hey, we're continuing our time counting down to 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.280 Grant season of The Bachelor, which is airing January twenty seventh, 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.200 and today, well like most weeks leading up to this season, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.200 we have a past Bachelor, Zach. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:23.079 Welcome to the show. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.920 Hi, Hello, Hello Zach. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.080 If you don't remember which, of course you do. Season 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:35.560 twenty seven premiere January twenty jurd twenty third, twenty twenty three. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.000 It's been two years, Zach, and I see behind you 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.879 that you still have in your office a little a 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.879 little rose. And look at this, Look at this. This 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.559 is hilarious. Look what I have right next to me 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:53.199 the same rose. Oho, we both have Beauty and the 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.520 Beast roses in little glass capsules. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.200 So I gotta admit this is not the same rose. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.119 Someone did send us this, and I think it's awesome. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.920 I think it's a cool little reminder. Keep it in 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.200 the office. Why not a little bit of you know, 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.759 great memories, but also some trauma stored in this row? 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.279 So so to you. Even though that's not the rose, 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.920 Is that a symbol of all the roses given out 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.400 during your time or is that the final rose that 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:24.280 you gave to Katie? 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.960 That's the final rose for Katie of course. Of course. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.880 How has your past two years been? I mean, you 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:37.320 guys have really, from the outside seemed to be one 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.280 of the couples that we're going to have as you know, 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:42.160 for real, for real. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:48.160 Yeah, no, the past two years have been unbelievable. So 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.600 Kate and I, I mean, right after the show, pretty 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.600 much we went back to what we knew and what 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:58.520 we loved and focused on each other and we've just 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.480 been trucking along, moved in together, got our first puppy 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.240 about five months ago, and we're just living puppy parent 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.359 lives and you know, planning our future. So it's it's 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.200 been a crazy fast period, but we love it. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:16.000 It's been awesome. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.080 Well, it helped that you guys were both living in 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.400 Texas and both in Austin, right. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.840 Yeah, yeah, we actually turns out we were a few 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.919 miles away from each other. She had been here for 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.320 you know, less than a couple of months, but it 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.560 is just it is perfect that she happened to be 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.799 out here, and then within three months after the show, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.240 we're like, hey, let's just move in already like, what 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:42.040 are we waiting for? 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.920 So you and Katie had a venue picked and you 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.200 did you have a date picked at this video? Yeah, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.640 you just didn't. You didn't sign the contract, but you 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.360 had it all planned and then you decided not to 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:57.239 go through with it. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:58.640 That's drama. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:02:59.760 That's drama for us. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.720 That makes it sound very dramatic. It is the complete opposite. So, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.840 so we had been planning or talking about wanting to, 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.480 you know, plan our wedding, figure out a date, figure 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.520 out a venue, what do we like, what we don't like? 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.800 And so one of our good friends, she happens to 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.359 be a event planner slash wedding planner, and we're like, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.280 you know what, let's just meet with her. Let's let's 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:27.360 talk her through what we're looking for, some rough guidelines 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.959 of you know, what we expect and what we'd like 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.600 to have, and you know, credit to our wedding planner. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.280 She she took she took it and started to run 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.840 with it and started just booking us at all these places. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.800 And we're like, oh, wow, this is happening really. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:41.880 To go see to go. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:47.680 To go see exactly exactly, and we had, you know, 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:50.160 explicitly shared with her. Hey, this is, this is our 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.560 budget for the wedding. Like what we want to focus on. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.640 Priority number one is getting our house together or getting 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:59.560 a house, and then second is like a wedding is awesome, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.400 but we'll see like if it could fit into what makes. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:03.800 Sense for us. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:10.360 And long story short, our lovely planner is like, hey, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.880 what with what you guys want to do, it's not 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.919 going to be possible. And with this venue that you 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.200 guys do really like, just know you're going to go 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.280 a lot over your budget. And so Kate and I 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.159 just like we pondered on it for a week and 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.200 we're like, does not feel good to just go so 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.880 into this venue? Would we've already established what our priorities are, 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.760 which is buying a house and not you know, a 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:41.960 down payment for one day, you know, So we we 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.279 backed out of the contract, not saying we're done with 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.760 wedding planning. We've actually gone further in other areas, but 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.279 we're just we couldn't do that. I don't know, like 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.000 it's so crazy nowadays. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.679 Yeah, Okay, So basically that was an in touch headline. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.040 Now you guys can see what goes behind the scenes 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.279 of an in touch headline. 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.160 I mean, Zach, very easy question, I think before we 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.640 kind of dive into some other topics. Would you marry 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.400 Katie tomorrow if if was an option. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.040 Yes, yes, so we are. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.560 I don't know if like kids wants me to talk 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.800 about this, but we're planning to get a looped very soon, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.680 so like very soon, and then we'll figure out like 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.400 celebration and all that, like the glits and the glamour. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.480 But yes, oh we're it's not a matter of like 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.160 when it's it's like the other stuff and like wanting 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.680 to have all the family from all over come for it. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.960 So which enters me down this kind of path that 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:53.360 I'm super curious about with you and tell and tell 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:58.400 me when I'm wrong. You were the Bachelor, you went 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.520 through the whole season. It kind of felt like, as 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.800 I was watching your time on the show, this never 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.440 felt right to you. It almost felt like somebody had 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.280 forced you to become the Bachelor, Like it was never 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.320 like a comfortable, Oh I love this whole experience kind 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.359 of thing. And then we get off the show and 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.600 kind of the truth or how we see who this 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.839 person actually is is what they do after the show, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:26.240 And you very immediately went further away from the spotlight. 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.240 Like you didn't try to do any of it. You 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.000 didn't hardly want to do a media circuit. You just 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.440 were happy in your relationship and that you found love 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.159 on the show. And so my question for you is, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.560 how did they convince you to take this role as 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:47.080 the lead? And how do you view the whole thing now? Look, 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.680 I mean, you're not that far far removed, but it feels, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.240 I guess from a public's perception, that you're very far 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.000 removed from this whole experience. 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:56.320 Yeah. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.880 No, So I'll start with how I got into this. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.520 So it started with the Bachelorette. So being on the Bachelorette. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.760 It had happened from a good buddy of mine who 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.200 happened to be on Michelle young season, Daniel Totley. He 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.640 goes on the show, he's there for you know, a 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.320 few weeks. I'm about six months out of my last 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.960 serious relationship, and he's like, hey, man, give this thing 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.560 a shot, Like this is unreal. I made a bunch 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.160 of great buddies and like, what a cool experience. And 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.520 I was at a point in my career where I 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.600 was like, you know what, I could take a little 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.760 break from my sales job here, I've kind of felt 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.880 like I needed something to refresh it. So I try 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.680 dis bachelorette thing that my mom and sisters love, you know. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.040 I thought it'd be kind of cool to surprise and 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:48.120 if I did it. But then I get further in 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.160 the process and I'm like, Okay, this is like kind 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.560 of cool, unique, and the Bachelorette happens and obviously it 0:07:54.560 --> 0:08:00.760 doesn't work out for us. Then I am I'm initially 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.480 asked about would you be interested in being the Bachelor? 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:08.200 And I initially was so traumatized from the first experience 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.040 on the Bachelorette, was like I need to take a breather. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.840 I need to just like figure out what I just did. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.560 This hasn't even like aired yet, what's going to happen? 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:17.880 And so it was a little bit just of a 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.680 back and forth of like I like I already went 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.520 back to my job at Oracle right after the Bachelorette, 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.920 Like it was a week period of when I went 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.920 home to see my family and then I was already 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:32.640 back in the office, like nothing changed. But after speaking 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.200 with some of the executive producers, talking with Mike Slice 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.080 at the time, you know, they did make it sound 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.080 really appealing, but there was also the other side of 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:47.560 it of yes, like like we'd like you to give 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.800 this a shot, but then they also do the but 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.840 we're also considering other people as well, and we don't 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.760 know where this is going to go. So I was like, Okay, 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.760 this is like low risk, like it's probably not going 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.480 to be me anyway. So to be completely transparent, I 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.560 don't know if I can say this, like I didn't 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.439 know I was going to be the pastor till about 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.640 an hour before they announced me. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:08.240 Live on TV. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.840 So I never really had a full process of I 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.480 am going to do this and I am going to 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.600 be this. It was always like there's other people that 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.920 are potentially going to be it, So I'm like cool, 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.040 like whoever you know deserves it or gets it, like 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:24.880 best of luck, I'd be cool if it's me, but 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:28.000 if not, no worries. Because I lived through the process 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.080 and I felt those real feelings that I could see it, 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.320 I'm like, oh, it could work for me. But also 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:36.000 I never got that confirmation until literally live on TV 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.439 of like no, now you're in this position. So then 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.640 it was like an oh, like what did I sign 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.440 up for? Like now it's real. I had no time 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:48.000 to process at all. So then yeah, yeah, that's how 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.720 I got to that point of being in it. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.000 If you could go back, you don't have to tell us. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.079 You don't have to tell us what actually happened, because 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.120 I know everybody's always talked about you and Rachel and 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.520 what happened in the Fantasy Suite and you're like, oh, 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.960 that's antichlomagic, blah blah blah. We just didn't agree. We 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.760 just were not compatible. And I totally can see how 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.559 that happens in the Fantasy Suite and how like it 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.600 actually was probably anti colomatic. But anyway, what I want 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:26.120 to ask about is from your season, if there's one 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.200 storyline that did not appear on TV the way it 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.480 really unfolded, what was it? 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.080 Oh my god? From our seat, is there. 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.400 Anything that like you like stay awake and you're like, oh, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:41.040 that was so frustrating or not anymore, you know, maybe 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.720 you could sleep now, But like right after the fact, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.920 you were like, oh man, I can't believe that America 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:46.920 thinks it happened like that. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.920 I mean there's a lot when I like look back 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.800 at I'm like, oh my god, how did I get 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:53.560 in that position. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.960 Why did I do or say that? But one that 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.559 was maybe misconstrued. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.439 Was I mean, it's just like a little like it's 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.319 a little tiny part in it, but it always kind 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.160 of like gets brought up sometimes in like real life 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.560 or or or whatnot. It was like during like the 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:15.720 COVID point when when I had COVID and there's like 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.920 a situation where like Greer and I are talking and 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.760 then you know, I get ambassed as like oh, this 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:23.360 guy's in it. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:24.719 Well she's she's trying to. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.560 Relate, and I like completely look back and I'm like, yeah, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.240 I know. If I was a viewer, I'd be like, yeah, 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.440 that guy, that guy did not handle that well, Like 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:40.280 why yeah that there's they didn't show everything and what 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.680 I could like, she's great, I'm happy. I hope she's 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.480 doing whatever she's doing wherever she's living, like nothing but 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.400 the best. I think Kate and her are still friends. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.440 But that is not where, not truly how things went down. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.080 Like if you were there, you know, it was like 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:59.439 there was nothing there's no bad intent from me and 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.640 there was no intent for her. It was just like 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.880 bad timing and we both misread the situation and it 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.080 was like a good moment for good TV. So I 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.200 guess it was so awkward and plus I'm like, yeah, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.959 I'm like trying try not to cough out a long 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.600 I'm sick, and she later gets sick about like less 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.080 than a week later. So yeah, it was just pure chaos, 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.719 the panic that was going on when we're trying to 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.440 figure out how we're going to do a ceremony. Virtually 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.599 I wanted to cancel it that like we can't. We 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.520 got our deadlines and it was it was bad. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.000 Yeah, it was definitely. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.200 It was definitely lumpy, like it had like its like 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.120 weird moments. And I remember watching the season in the 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.800 moment with Greer, like you kind of gone on this like, 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:50.280 oh this is working. This is a nice guy, and 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.240 like he has some incredible women, right, Like we can 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.400 name a lot of the women from Katie to Gabby 0:12:54.440 --> 0:13:00.280 to to a Reel Ariel to Greet, Like you had 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.800 some standouts and we're like, this is gonna be good. 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.760 And I remember that Greer moment felt like from an 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.760 audience perspective from when we were breaking down almost Famous podcast, 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:12.800 like it felt like your season all all of a 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.920 sudden didn't go downhill as a season, but it went 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.000 downhill for you as a lead, like it kind of 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.000 it felt like chaos kind of then started swirling around 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.400 you as the lead, which made great TV, probably didn't 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:26.160 feel good for you. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.040 I mean, like that's one thing that I had to 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.480 adjust to. And you don't feel it in the moment. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.320 You don't feel like it's like a spiral in the 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:41.199 moment or a downhill feeling. You're like, okay these are as. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.320 The weeks go on, more decisions have to be made, 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.720 Tougher decisions have to be made on both parties, So 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.599 like we all know it's gonna get harder as it 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.079 gets closer to the end. But then like, yeah, watching it, 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.079 I could see that that would be a part where 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.920 you're like, oh, this is the start of the typical 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.600 bachelor drama that's going to happen. 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:00.800 It's gonna happen. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.080 But yeah, no, it's just like as you both know, 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.199 like there's yeah, sixteen to twenty hours of filming a 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.120 day and they that's it for like a nice hour 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:13.120 and a half episode. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:14.840 There is so much that it has missed. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.320 Yeah there is there is, but yes, you're right, it did. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.840 It hit a little bit of a chaotic point. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.400 I don't remember, actually might I don't remember the context 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:31.240 for this really long quote. But back in the day, 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.320 Nick Vile did come out and call you, and I 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.960 don't know if he's done this with any other Bachelor, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.360 but for whatever reason, the context again I forget, he 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.480 called you a total dick was his quote. Do you 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.960 remember the context for that? How did you respond to that? 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:50.520 How does that make you feel? Because I don't remember 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.560 what would have been done other than the final week 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:55.600 when you did say that you were going to be 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.320 selling bit. Obviously that became a storyline because it didn't happen. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.480 I'm guessing that's when this quote came out. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.400 Yeah, I think it's funny, first off, to hear it 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.040 coming from Nick Vayel to call someone else to dick, Like, 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.920 that's comedic to me. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:13.800 But I don't know. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.560 I think I rubbed just a lot of people the 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.720 wrong way. I know I rubbed you, Ashley the wrong way. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.120 When we first met. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.480 I think, oh, really, tell us more what happened? 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.040 We had like a podcast like a I think it 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.080 was this same type of podcast, or maybe it's just 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:29.960 you and I Ashley. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.080 No, I remember there was a moment. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.520 Because like I think you were. I was. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.400 I was in the depth of the otis like the 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:43.160 boring bachelor. This guy's robot, Like who is he? And 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.480 I think you Ashley were like reading like quotes like 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.640 that like kempting, like yeah, are you going to be boring? 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:50.520 Like is this like? 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.200 And it was just kind of like I perceived it 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.560 as like condescending, and we had like a weird energy 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.000 at first, and I was like, Oh, this actually girl 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:00.520 like I She's not she's not liking me, Like Okay, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:01.360 I got you. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.320 I remember when I met you in real life. We 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:07.840 guys like so different. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.400 Than what I thought. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.960 We had a whole car ride in Santa Barbara for 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.000 like three hours to go to the airport, and this 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.840 has to be so awkward. That would be so awkward. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.040 No, it wasn't, because we had already like hung out 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.080 earlier in the week. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.040 I would have loved to be sitting in the backseat 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.120 like this is awesome. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.160 But I was going off of it from like a 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.920 fans point of view because Ben and I have been 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.120 like so removed from the show and because of like 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.200 the COVID reasons at that time, like we hadn't really 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:33.640 met a lot of people in real life. So we 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.560 started watching the show and talking about it like TV, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:38.840 you know, we're like, we're just people commenting on what 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:39.680 we see. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.000 Totally, and then I get that, and then for me, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.120 it was still such a fresh feeling of like oh wow, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.480 like hearing negative perspectives on me, Like it was the 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:49.400 first time I've ever been in the public light, and 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.320 it's like it's a lot to take in at first. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.200 Now I'm I'm so far removed or used to it 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.760 or whatnot. But no, I it like with the Nick 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:02.720 Bayle thing, which yeah, I don't know if he's largely 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.639 known to critique, I don't know. I think it just 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:11.840 leads into the I was not what maybe a lot 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.359 of viewers wanted to see because like I was very 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.879 like I had it one goal and it was to 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:21.159 find my partner. Yeah, there's crazy stuff that happened and 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:26.040 things I did completely wrong, things I mismanaged, But I 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.320 mean I'd love to see someone perfect do it absolutely 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.000 perfect without any little hinges. Shout out to Joey because 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:33.960 he pretty much did that. 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.879 Okay, Joey was one of the perfect Bachelor's. 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.160 Yeah, I will say that, zu you may talk. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.320 You may have been truly the bachelor that was there 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:51.200 for the most good reasons. You were there for the 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:57.000 most right reasons, even Ben, Like you know, Ben, I 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.960 feel like you liked the Spotlight more than Zad. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.520 Definitely definitely like the Spoley more than Zac did. Yeah, 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.280 I still talk about the show for a living. Yes, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.800 very much, very much owned the bachelor role more than 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:12.600 Zac did. 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:15.040 Or zachly. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.080 Would you consider your biggest mistake during your experience to 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.119 be the way that you laid out that you weren't 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.320 going to sleep with anybody before the fantasy suites? 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:25.879 Yeah? 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:32.639 Oh, absolutely, Well a lot of the reasoning behind, like 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:37.120 how I got to that point was like a factor 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.680 of wanting to people please, meaning not wanting to hurt 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:43.160 anyone in this like really pivotal part of this season, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.920 like right up to the engagement where you know, there's 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:50.119 you know, it's it's the three Overnights, the three fantasies 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.240 like that's and then right next door is engagement and 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.679 wanting to keep everyone happy and not trying to muddy 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:01.520 the waters, and you know, talking to my good friend 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.280 Sean Lowe and listening to hey, Sean, how did you 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.960 do this? Like, you're happily married with beautiful family. How 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.040 did you crack the code? Because everything I've ever seen 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.240 is like a lot of messy relationships and they never 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.760 end up working. How do I be different? Because like, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.560 I want this to work. He talked me through on 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.520 you know, how we viewed the final weeks, and I 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.159 was like, oh my god, like that is that's a 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:25.919 smart reason. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:27.480 Now. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.879 What I didn't inquire or asked more about was like 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:33.440 the reasoning behind it, and for him it was religious purposes. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.040 That's why I was just doing it on the fact 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.080 of like I think, you know, put on my you know, 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.280 got on my high horse. I think everyone will appreciate 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.840 this if we, you know, don't muddy the waters and 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:49.400 we just like just keep going the best best way 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.560 we can. And what I didn't take into account was 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.600 what do the women want, Like it's also them at 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.000 the end of the day, of like what do they 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.520 want to or want to they want or need to 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.120 go further in this process? And I kind of just 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:08.960 made a blanket statement said now let's just keep this messing. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.520 That's that's where I completely went wrong. I did not 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:15.840 leave it up for it to be like a conversation 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.719 and discussion. I was I had the intention of not 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.800 wanting to hurt anyone, but in reality it ended up 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:22.760 hurting more. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:23.679 So. 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:28.000 Yes, to answer your question in a long winded fashion, yeah, yeah, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:29.000 I would totally change that. 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:40.960 Yeah, Zach. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.480 Obviously, life now, as we've talked about the beginning of 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:48.720 the show, is very much on a trajectory of relatability 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.040 or normalcy or whatever kind of when you want to 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:57.440