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Speaker 1: This is that Ben and Nashley I almost famous podcast

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Countdown. Hey, we're continuing our time counting down to

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Speaker 1: Grant season of The Bachelor, which is airing January twenty seventh,

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Speaker 1: and today, well like most weeks leading up to this season,

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Speaker 1: we have a past Bachelor, Zach.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, Hello Zach.

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Speaker 4: If you don't remember which, of course you do. Season

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Speaker 4: twenty seven premiere January twenty jurd twenty third, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: It's been two years, Zach, and I see behind you

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Speaker 4: that you still have in your office a little a

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Speaker 4: little rose. And look at this, Look at this. This

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Speaker 4: is hilarious. Look what I have right next to me

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Speaker 4: the same rose. Oho, we both have Beauty and the

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Speaker 4: Beast roses in little glass capsules.

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Speaker 5: So I gotta admit this is not the same rose.

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Speaker 5: Someone did send us this, and I think it's awesome.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a cool little reminder. Keep it in

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Speaker 5: the office. Why not a little bit of you know,

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Speaker 5: great memories, but also some trauma stored in this row?

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Speaker 4: So so to you. Even though that's not the rose,

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Speaker 4: Is that a symbol of all the roses given out

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Speaker 4: during your time or is that the final rose that

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Speaker 4: you gave to Katie?

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Speaker 3: That's the final rose for Katie of course. Of course.

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Speaker 4: How has your past two years been? I mean, you

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Speaker 4: guys have really, from the outside seemed to be one

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Speaker 4: of the couples that we're going to have as you know,

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Speaker 4: for real, for real.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, the past two years have been unbelievable. So

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Speaker 5: Kate and I, I mean, right after the show, pretty

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Speaker 5: much we went back to what we knew and what

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Speaker 5: we loved and focused on each other and we've just

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Speaker 5: been trucking along, moved in together, got our first puppy

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Speaker 5: about five months ago, and we're just living puppy parent

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Speaker 5: lives and you know, planning our future. So it's it's

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Speaker 5: been a crazy fast period, but we love it.

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Speaker 3: It's been awesome.

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Speaker 4: Well, it helped that you guys were both living in

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Speaker 4: Texas and both in Austin, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we actually turns out we were a few

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Speaker 5: miles away from each other. She had been here for

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Speaker 5: you know, less than a couple of months, but it

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Speaker 5: is just it is perfect that she happened to be

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Speaker 5: out here, and then within three months after the show,

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Speaker 5: we're like, hey, let's just move in already like, what

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Speaker 5: are we waiting for?

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Speaker 4: So you and Katie had a venue picked and you

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Speaker 4: did you have a date picked at this video? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you just didn't. You didn't sign the contract, but you

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Speaker 4: had it all planned and then you decided not to

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Speaker 4: go through with it.

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Speaker 2: That's drama.

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Speaker 3: That's drama for us.

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Speaker 5: That makes it sound very dramatic. It is the complete opposite. So,

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Speaker 5: so we had been planning or talking about wanting to,

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Speaker 5: you know, plan our wedding, figure out a date, figure

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Speaker 5: out a venue, what do we like, what we don't like?

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Speaker 5: And so one of our good friends, she happens to

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Speaker 5: be a event planner slash wedding planner, and we're like,

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Speaker 5: you know what, let's just meet with her. Let's let's

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Speaker 5: talk her through what we're looking for, some rough guidelines

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Speaker 5: of you know, what we expect and what we'd like

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Speaker 5: to have, and you know, credit to our wedding planner.

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Speaker 5: She she took she took it and started to run

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Speaker 5: with it and started just booking us at all these places.

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Speaker 3: And we're like, oh, wow, this is happening really.

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Speaker 2: To go see to go.

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Speaker 5: To go see exactly exactly, and we had, you know,

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Speaker 5: explicitly shared with her. Hey, this is, this is our

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Speaker 5: budget for the wedding. Like what we want to focus on.

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Speaker 5: Priority number one is getting our house together or getting

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Speaker 5: a house, and then second is like a wedding is awesome,

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Speaker 5: but we'll see like if it could fit into what makes.

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Speaker 3: Sense for us.

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Speaker 5: And long story short, our lovely planner is like, hey,

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Speaker 5: what with what you guys want to do, it's not

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Speaker 5: going to be possible. And with this venue that you

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Speaker 5: guys do really like, just know you're going to go

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Speaker 5: a lot over your budget. And so Kate and I

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Speaker 5: just like we pondered on it for a week and

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Speaker 5: we're like, does not feel good to just go so

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Speaker 5: into this venue? Would we've already established what our priorities are,

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Speaker 5: which is buying a house and not you know, a

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Speaker 5: down payment for one day, you know, So we we

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Speaker 5: backed out of the contract, not saying we're done with

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Speaker 5: wedding planning. We've actually gone further in other areas, but

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Speaker 5: we're just we couldn't do that. I don't know, like

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Speaker 5: it's so crazy nowadays.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, So basically that was an in touch headline.

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Speaker 4: Now you guys can see what goes behind the scenes

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Speaker 4: of an in touch headline.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Zach, very easy question, I think before we

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Speaker 1: kind of dive into some other topics. Would you marry

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Speaker 1: Katie tomorrow if if was an option.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so we are.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if like kids wants me to talk

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Speaker 5: about this, but we're planning to get a looped very soon,

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Speaker 5: so like very soon, and then we'll figure out like

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Speaker 5: celebration and all that, like the glits and the glamour.

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Speaker 5: But yes, oh we're it's not a matter of like

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Speaker 5: when it's it's like the other stuff and like wanting

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Speaker 5: to have all the family from all over come for it.

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Speaker 1: So which enters me down this kind of path that

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Speaker 1: I'm super curious about with you and tell and tell

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Speaker 1: me when I'm wrong. You were the Bachelor, you went

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Speaker 1: through the whole season. It kind of felt like, as

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Speaker 1: I was watching your time on the show, this never

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Speaker 1: felt right to you. It almost felt like somebody had

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Speaker 1: forced you to become the Bachelor, Like it was never

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Speaker 1: like a comfortable, Oh I love this whole experience kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. And then we get off the show and

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Speaker 1: kind of the truth or how we see who this

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Speaker 1: person actually is is what they do after the show,

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Speaker 1: And you very immediately went further away from the spotlight.

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Speaker 1: Like you didn't try to do any of it. You

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Speaker 1: didn't hardly want to do a media circuit. You just

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Speaker 1: were happy in your relationship and that you found love

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Speaker 1: on the show. And so my question for you is,

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Speaker 1: how did they convince you to take this role as

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Speaker 1: the lead? And how do you view the whole thing now? Look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not that far far removed, but it feels,

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Speaker 1: I guess from a public's perception, that you're very far

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Speaker 1: removed from this whole experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, So I'll start with how I got into this.

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Speaker 5: So it started with the Bachelorette. So being on the Bachelorette.

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Speaker 5: It had happened from a good buddy of mine who

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Speaker 5: happened to be on Michelle young season, Daniel Totley. He

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Speaker 5: goes on the show, he's there for you know, a

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Speaker 5: few weeks. I'm about six months out of my last

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Speaker 5: serious relationship, and he's like, hey, man, give this thing

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Speaker 5: a shot, Like this is unreal. I made a bunch

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Speaker 5: of great buddies and like, what a cool experience. And

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Speaker 5: I was at a point in my career where I

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Speaker 5: was like, you know what, I could take a little

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Speaker 5: break from my sales job here, I've kind of felt

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Speaker 5: like I needed something to refresh it. So I try

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Speaker 5: dis bachelorette thing that my mom and sisters love, you know.

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Speaker 5: I thought it'd be kind of cool to surprise and

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Speaker 5: if I did it. But then I get further in

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Speaker 5: the process and I'm like, Okay, this is like kind

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Speaker 5: of cool, unique, and the Bachelorette happens and obviously it

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Speaker 5: doesn't work out for us. Then I am I'm initially

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Speaker 5: asked about would you be interested in being the Bachelor?

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Speaker 5: And I initially was so traumatized from the first experience

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Speaker 5: on the Bachelorette, was like I need to take a breather.

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Speaker 5: I need to just like figure out what I just did.

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Speaker 5: This hasn't even like aired yet, what's going to happen?

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Speaker 5: And so it was a little bit just of a

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Speaker 5: back and forth of like I like I already went

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Speaker 5: back to my job at Oracle right after the Bachelorette,

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Speaker 5: Like it was a week period of when I went

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Speaker 5: home to see my family and then I was already

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Speaker 5: back in the office, like nothing changed. But after speaking

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Speaker 5: at the time, you know, they did make it sound

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Speaker 5: really appealing, but there was also the other side of

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Speaker 5: it of yes, like like we'd like you to give

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Speaker 5: this a shot, but then they also do the but

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Speaker 5: we're also considering other people as well, and we don't

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Speaker 5: know where this is going to go. So I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is like low risk, like it's probably not going

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Speaker 5: to be me anyway. So to be completely transparent, I

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Speaker 5: don't know if I can say this, like I didn't

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Speaker 5: know I was going to be the pastor till about

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Speaker 5: an hour before they announced me.

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Speaker 3: Live on TV.

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Speaker 5: So I never really had a full process of I

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Speaker 5: be this. It was always like there's other people that

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Speaker 5: like whoever you know deserves it or gets it, like

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Speaker 5: best of luck, I'd be cool if it's me, but

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Speaker 5: if not, no worries. Because I lived through the process

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Speaker 5: and I felt those real feelings that I could see it,

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Speaker 5: I never got that confirmation until literally live on TV

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Speaker 5: it was like an oh, like what did I sign

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Speaker 5: up for? Like now it's real. I had no time

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Speaker 5: to process at all. So then yeah, yeah, that's how

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Speaker 5: I got to that point of being in it.

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Speaker 4: If you could go back, you don't have to tell us.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to tell us what actually happened, because

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Speaker 4: I know everybody's always talked about you and Rachel and

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Speaker 4: what happened in the Fantasy Suite and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's antichlomagic, blah blah blah. We just didn't agree. We

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Speaker 4: just were not compatible. And I totally can see how

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Speaker 4: that happens in the Fantasy Suite and how like it

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Speaker 4: actually was probably anti colomatic. But anyway, what I want

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Speaker 4: to ask about is from your season, if there's one

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Speaker 4: storyline that did not appear on TV the way it

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Speaker 3: Oh my god? From our seat, is there.

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Speaker 4: Anything that like you like stay awake and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that was so frustrating or not anymore, you know, maybe

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Speaker 4: you could sleep now, But like right after the fact,

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Speaker 4: you were like, oh man, I can't believe that America

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Speaker 4: thinks it happened like that.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's a lot when I like look back

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Speaker 5: at I'm like, oh my god, how did I get

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Speaker 3: Why did I do or say that? But one that

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Speaker 3: was maybe misconstrued.

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Speaker 5: Was I mean, it's just like a little like it's

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Speaker 5: a little tiny part in it, but it always kind

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Speaker 5: of like gets brought up sometimes in like real life

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Speaker 5: or or or whatnot. It was like during like the

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Speaker 5: COVID point when when I had COVID and there's like

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Speaker 5: a situation where like Greer and I are talking and

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Speaker 5: then you know, I get ambassed as like oh, this

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Speaker 5: guy's in it.

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Speaker 3: Well she's she's trying to.

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Speaker 5: Relate, and I like completely look back and I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I know. If I was a viewer, I'd be like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that guy, that guy did not handle that well, Like

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Speaker 5: why yeah that there's they didn't show everything and what

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Speaker 5: The weeks go on, more decisions have to be made,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember, actually might I don't remember the context

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Speaker 5: I think I rubbed just a lot of people the

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Speaker 2: I think, oh, really, tell us more what happened?

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Speaker 4: No, I remember there was a moment.

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Speaker 4: I remember when I met you in real life. We

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Speaker 5: Totally, and then I get that, and then for me,

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Speaker 4: Okay, Joey was one of the perfect Bachelor's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say that, zu you may talk.

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Speaker 4: You may have been truly the bachelor that was there

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Speaker 4: Would you consider your biggest mistake during your experience to

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Speaker 5: What I didn't inquire or asked more about was like

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Speaker 5: Gabye will come by like it's it's it's it's casual

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Speaker 4: You and Katie I'm going to crown as the most

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Speaker 4: sure characters on the show.

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Speaker 3: Ah, I'll take that. Thank you, Ashley. We've come like

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Speaker 2: So I know so much respective it feels.

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Speaker 1: It feels like things are really good, Zach. In your

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Speaker 1: world post Bachelor time, I still will say no matter

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Speaker 1: what anybody wants to argue with me. One of the

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Speaker 1: most iconic scenes of any season ever is you and

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Speaker 1: Katie sitting in the rain, in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: jungle where it looks like you should be full of

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Speaker 1: snakes and everything else, having a very intense conversation. And

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Speaker 1: all I can think about the whole time was can

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Speaker 1: the show not get these people a room?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Can they just not sit down and have this conversation

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Speaker 1: a place that doesn't look miserable? It was something that

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Speaker 1: will always stand out to me. Zach, continue best, success,

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Speaker 1: good luck in the relationship and moving forward. Then with

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Speaker 1: the elopement that you said will happen soon, Tell Katie

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Speaker 1: that we wish here our best and can continue to

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Speaker 1: do great things. Until next time, I've been Ben.

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Speaker 4: I've been Ashley. See you guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Zach, thank you.

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