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Speaker 2: as promise, we're gonna get deeper into the NBA Draft

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna start with Bronnie our first mail bag question. Hey, Jason,

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Speaker 2: He was only one hundred and forty reps all season long,

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Speaker 2: of the reasons why that works is Sam Houser is

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Speaker 2: In Dallas, because Luca was so slow footed, they didn't

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Speaker 2: Jalen Brown or on Jason Tatum so much he'd give

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Speaker 2: So, like, in order to punish a team for throwing

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. If Sam Hauser was not a good

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Speaker 2: they'd be giving wide open threes to Sam Hauser. That's

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Speaker 2: it's clear that Brad Stevens has this like very clear

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Speaker 2: And it's clear that Brad Stevens wants everybody to be

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Speaker 2: Can he follow the path of Peyton, Pritchard and Sam

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Speaker 2: Houser as lesser athletes who learn how to do well

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Speaker 2: What do you make of Ryan Dune at twenty two

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of fun watching Ryan Dune this morning.

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Speaker 2: He had crazy closeouts. There's just play against wake Forest

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Speaker 2: ago when they made the Western Conference Finals run, he

432
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 2: was such a bad corner three point shooter and he

433
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 2: kept getting those wide open corner threes that it became

434
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: an issue and the Lakers had to bench him. But

435
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 2: that was in a four out offense where he was

436
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: consistently spotting up beyond the three point line. Suddenly, in

437
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: the springtime this year, before Vanderbilt got hurt, the Lakers

438
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 2: actually managed to build a functional role for him as

439
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: a dribble, handoff and roll guy, kind of like as

440
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: a cutter. He was operating a lot more in movement

441
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 2: in the floor rather than standing still in the corner,

442
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: and he had a bunch of double figure scoring games

443
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 2: and became like legitimately a functional part of the Laker offense,

444
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: and that was when they were playing some of their

445
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: best basketball in that time period, Right, So, like, that's

446
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: what you've got to do with Ryan Dunn. You've just

447
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 2: got to find a way to make him useful offensively.

448
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 2: If you do, then he becomes this profoundly impactful player

449
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 2: because of what he can do on the defensive end

450
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: of the floor. But I just have a hard time

451
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 2: believing that within the short term they're gonna be able

452
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: to get enough out of him offensively for him to

453
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Speaker 2: be a guy who's like a significant rotation player for them.

454
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: But we will see, and Devin Booker, Kevin Durant and

455
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: Bradley be able to do bring in a lot of attention,

456
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 2: and so if there's anything in there for him in

457
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: terms of functional offensive ability, this is a situation where

458
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: he should be able to show that, But we will see.

459
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Speaker 2: I kind of view him as more of a long

460
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Speaker 2: term prospect for Phoenix. I'm gonna leave you, guys before

461
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Speaker 2: we go to the next question with this quote from

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Speaker 2: Sam Vassini. As you guys know, he's the guy that

463
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: I trust the most when it comes to the draft.

464
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 2: He said, quote, I cannot overemphasize Dunn's defensive level. He

465
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: is in the top tier among all wings I've evaluated

466
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Speaker 2: over the last decade and is on an All defense

467
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: candidate long term and is an all defense candidate long

468
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Speaker 2: term if his offense allows him to stay on the court.

469
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Speaker 2: I thought he was one of the two most disruptive

470
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: defenders in college basketball this season. That's quote from Sam Vassini.

471
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Speaker 2: By the way, guys, he's he's literally the best. Is

472
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: A draft guide that he has on the athletic is

473
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: unbelievably comprehensive as information on family background, tons of information

474
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: on strengths and weaknesses, extensive statistical history. It's just you

475
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: guys got to check it out. He also will bring

476
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: those guys on his show and go over tape on

477
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Speaker 2: his YouTube channel. Like I can't say enough about the

478
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: quality of Sam's content. You guys got to get over

479
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: there and check him out. Next question, this was an

480
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: interesting one. Which is the better foundation for a modern

481
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Speaker 2: NBA roster a star guard center combo like Chet and

482
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: Shake Kild justs Alexander or two star wings like Jalen

483
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: and Jason for starters. I don't want this to become

484
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: a debate about specific players. Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum

485
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: at this point in their careers are a better duo

486
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 2: than shake Yieldess Alexander and chet Holmgren. They're older, they're

487
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: more experienced. They're just better basketball players right now. So

488
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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make it an argument between those

489
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Speaker 2: two pairs.

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Speaker 1: Right.

491
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Speaker 2: Also, the Jays play alongside two thirty million dollar guards

492
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: and a thirty million dollar center, so they kind of

493
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: have that and the guard center combo, right, So, like

494
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Speaker 2: it's just not even remotely comparable. I don't even want

495
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Speaker 2: to get into that. So let's remove the names and

496
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Speaker 2: let's just talk about the gist of the question. Would

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Speaker 2: you rather have a guard center duo as a foundation

498
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: or a Ford ford duo as a foundation? And my

499
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 2: answer is pretty simple. It totally depends on the physical

500
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: build of the players. Is the guard a good point

501
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: of attack defender with size who can switch on to wings.

502
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 2: Is the center a legit rim protector, but one that

503
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: can also switch onto guards and slide his feet and

504
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: guard in space. If so, I want the guard in

505
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: the big and the reason why is they are more versatile.

506
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: A guard center duo can attack and defend in multiple ways.

507
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: On offense, they can run pick and roll, they can

508
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: run pick and pop, but they can also match up

509
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: Hunt with size and quickness. Right Like Chet in the

510
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: long run will be able to beat switches by just

511
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Speaker 2: shooting over the top and using his size. Shay gets

512
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: a big on a switch, he's gonna be able to

513
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: drive off of him or score with his like kind

514
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: of step back mid range game. Right. So like a

515
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: guard center combo can attack in traditional pick and roll,

516
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Speaker 2: traditional pick and pop, and in switch situations attack matchups right.

517
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: On defense, you can run a deep drop coverage right,

518
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: you can keep Chet holmgun buy the rim and a

519
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: drop right. You can play aggressive comfort coverages with him

520
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: using his length, and you can switch. You can have

521
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: Chet guard a guard on the Perimeter's got the length

522
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: and quickness to kind of handle that sort of thing, right, Like,

523
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: if you've got a guard that is also big enough

524
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: to switch onto forwards, into guard in space, and to

525
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: guard in the post and things along those lines. That

526
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: is the versatility element that comes from a guard center combo.

527
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: If you have wings, they're just a little bit more

528
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: focused in what they can do right right, Like they're

529
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: always going to be a switching look on defense. Can't

530
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Speaker 2: run a drop coverage with a forward. They're just not

531
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Speaker 2: tall enough to bother lob passes, right, So like you're

532
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: gonna be you're gonna be switching almost exclusively with that

533
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Speaker 2: type of kind of construction. And for the record, that's

534
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Speaker 2: what the Celtics do a lot of switching. And then

535
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 2: they run drop with chrisops porzingis right, who's their rim protector,

536
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: kind of fitting the mold of this question right. And

537
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: then on the on the offensive end of the floor,

538
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: if you don't have a versatile offensive center, then scoring

539
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: and pick and roll is harder. Just asking just just

540
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: just take a look at that Dallas Minnesota series, right,

541
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Speaker 2: like you've got you've got Rudy Gobert setting screens and

542
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: rolling into the lane. It's an issue, right, It's hard

543
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: to score that way. And so basically, like if you

544
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: have a four type of setup where you just have

545
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: a couple of scoring forwards, they're primarily gonna be hunting matchups.

546
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Speaker 2: It's uniquely Chet's ability, or let's just say a star

547
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 2: center's ability to function in multiple different ways offensively to

548
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: be a dribble handoff Fulkrum, to be a pick and

549
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: pop guy, to be a pick and roll guy, to

550
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: be a guy who can be a vertical spacer in

551
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: the dunker spot, like that dunk he had in Game

552
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: six that put the put the Thunder up one before

553
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: the final possession, just him sitting under the basket and

554
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: just being a release valve for a quick little lob

555
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: pass for a dunk. Like There's just a lot of

556
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: different ways that those guys can look to attack on

557
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 2: offense and on defense. You can run drop, you can

558
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: run aggressive coverages, you can switch, and so again, like

559
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: the guard center duo just has more versatility in the

560
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: way that they can play on both ends of the floor.

561
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Speaker 2: That said, it has to do with the physical build,

562
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Speaker 2: because if the guard center duo involves some limitations, then

563
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: it doesn't function as well. Right. Let's take Trey Young

564
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: and Anthony Davis for instance. This is a trade that

565
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: has been proposed a lot over the course of the

566
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: last few months involving the Lakers and the Hawks. It's

567
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: a trade I do not want to see. The main

568
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: reason why is that's a small guard who cannot defend

569
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: in multiple different ways in a big and Anthony Davis

570
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: that can't shoot. So now most of those advantages that

571
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: I just discussed don't exist. Your optionality on defense is

572
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: not there. You pretty much have to either hide Tray

573
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: somewhere or ask him to chase over the top of screens.

574
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: You can't get away with a ton of switching with

575
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Speaker 2: Trey Young on the floor, right, So like your optionality

576
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: goes away. So it's a complicated question. If I had

577
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Speaker 2: to pick between a big guard who is versaal and

578
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: can defend multiple ways and a seven foot rim protector

579
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Speaker 2: that has guard skills, then I want that over two wings.

580
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: But if it's a tiny guard and just a rim

581
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: protector that doesn't have a ton of versatility, then obviously

582
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: I'd take the forwards. And that's why these kinds of

583
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: conversations are always difficult, because it really has to do

584
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: with just how good are you at basketball overall? Because

585
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, that sort of thing kind of complicates this questions,

586
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: these questions. But foundationally, give me a versaal guard and

587
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: a versaonal center just because I have more different, more

588
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: coverage options on both ends of the four. Next question,

589
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: why didn't the Thunder trade for KD They have the picks.

590
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: I think the fit on defense would be awesome, as

591
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: he can give them the length and maybe the rebounding

592
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: that they need. And offensively he fits everywhere also would

593
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: be a great story. And if he helps okay so

594
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: you get a title, he can kind of redeem his

595
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: whole career. It's just about the timelines. Kd's going to

596
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: be thirty six by the start of training camp, and

597
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: like you're looking for sustainable success. If you're Oklahoma City,

598
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: like you trade for KD, You're the title favorite next year,

599
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: no doubt, But any sort of injury disrupts that. Now

600
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Kd's thirty seven the following season, Like you're Sam Presty

601
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: and those guys are going to be looking for sustainable success.

602
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: It's like the it's kind of like what we've heard

603
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: out of Denver. It's like they're more interested in winning

604
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: three titles in five years than one title next year.

605
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? And so I think as much

606
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 2: as Katie is a perfect fit, they got to look

607
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: for somebody that matches their timeline better. Also, the Suns

608
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: would want win now pieces, not picks. Okoloma City has

609
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: more to offer in the way of picks. It just

610
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: isn't a really good trade partnership in that regard. Next question,

611
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Speaker 2: what about Denver getting to Dyron Holmes. Well, this is

612
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Speaker 2: going to be our third draft evaluation here in the show,

613
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: or fourth, I should say. It's just clear that Denver

614
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: is trying to find a long term option at backup center.

615
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Daron Olmes is considered undersized for an NBA center. He's

616
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: only six foot eight and three quarters without shoes, but

617
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: he does have a longer wingspan and a higher standing

618
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: reach than Zeke Naji, so he's a bigger frame than

619
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Speaker 2: what they had at backup center last year. Obviously, I

620
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: don't think DeAndre Jordan is an option either. Obviously I

621
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Speaker 2: covered him with the Lakers, and yeah, his moments with Denver,

622
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: but all of you guys who are fans know exactly

623
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: what DeAndre Jordan is. He's a locker room guy, right.

624
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: But what I like about de Ron Holmes is he's

625
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: a prototypical five out big, especially on the offensive end

626
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: of the fourdy He's one of the best role men

627
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: in the country last year. He can roll hard and

628
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: finish lobs above the rim. He can short roll out

629
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: of traps, and he can pass pretty well out of

630
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 2: those situations and he kind of demonstrated a little bit

631
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: of a pick and pop game last year for Dayton.

632
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: He's a really quick decision maker and ball mover. This

633
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite things about a center who

634
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: plays in a five out system. You've got to be

635
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: able to quickly flow into the next action. And one

636
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: of the things I like about de Ron Holmes is

637
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: when he catches on the perimeter, he makes quick decisions.

638
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: If he doesn't see something that he likes as a

639
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: shot attempt or as a role attempt, he's just going

640
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: to quickly either make it out, let pass and go

641
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: set the next screen, or flow into a dribble handoff.

642
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: Like you'll watch these possessions where you'll see Darren Holmes

643
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: set five ball screens and he's just like flowing into

644
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: the next one, gets it, flows into the next one,

645
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: rescreen rescreen, like the dude is just a super active

646
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: set in five out that greases the wheels in the

647
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: sense that he just flows into the next action. And

648
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: as we know, in five out, ball reversal is vitally

649
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: important getting the defense to switch sides, and the only

650
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: way you're gonna do that is if you have a

651
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: big that can quickly flow into actions on both ends

652
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: of the floor. I just think he's gonna be a

653
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: really natural offensive fit with Jamal Murray, a really nice

654
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: ball screen partner. And we think about those bench units

655
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: when Yo kich is off the floor. Especially in the playoffs,

656
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: it's been mostly Aaron Gordon at center, and they're probably

657
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: still gonna do that when they get into the postseason

658
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: next year. But in the regular season last year, it

659
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: was a lot of Zeke Nagy, Right. This gives you

660
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 2: kind of like more of a traditional center type of

661
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: option to run with Jamal Murray in those situations, so

662
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: that Jamal can kind of run a similar style of

663
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: offense to what he runs with Nikola jokicch and the

664
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: sense that there's gonna be flow, he's gonna be coming

665
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: off of dribbil handoffs. He's gonna have an option to

666
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: throw in the short role that can make quick decisions,

667
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: a guy who can hit picking pop threes. Again, Like

668
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: the main issue with him as size, and that's what

669
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: everyone's gonna be talking about as a negative, like will

670
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: he be able to defend and rebound at the NBA level.

671
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: But the Nuggets don't need him to become a starter.

672
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: They just need him to be able to play when

673
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic is off the floor, right, So like that's

674
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: an advantage Denver can give him an achievable role in

675
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: the way that if you were drafting him as a

676
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: foundational piece to be your starting center, then those concerns

677
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: about defensive rebounding and size in general become an issue.

678
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: But like I like this move for Denver. If you

679
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: look at the center market, it just isn't great this

680
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: summer in terms of free agency, So the draft was

681
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: just a great place to look for discounted options. Holmes

682
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: was actually one of the guys that I had my

683
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: eye on for the Lakers at seventeen because they also

684
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: need a better option at backup center. So I really

685
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: like this pick up for Denver as a discount just

686
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: a functional five out big that can set screens and

687
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: roll and pop and at least try on the defensive

688
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: end of the floor to do an effective job in

689
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: those bench units for Denver. Next question, what do you

690
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: think about the Washington Portland trade. I view it as

691
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: a pretty weird move by the Wizards, especially after a

692
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: big leap season from Avidya, which still has a lot

693
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: of upside. I was surprised too. Denny was already tied

694
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: up on an extension that has descending numbers, So like

695
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty eight, Denny Avdy is going

696
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: to be making less than twelve million dollars, and I'm

697
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: pretty sure that's after the new TV deal kicks in.

698
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: So that's like, a, that's pretty crazy. I figured Dave

699
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: trade Kyle Kuzma. He has more trade value around the league.

700
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: Excuse me, he has more trade value around the league,

701
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: and he's on a more expensive deal, so you could

702
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: get more back in terms of trade return. And maybe

703
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: they still will trade Kuzma, So we'll see in the

704
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: long run. But I just looked at it as like

705
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: an asset accumulation move, Like they clearly did not view

706
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: Avdia as a foundational piece, otherwise you would have kept him. Right,

707
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: They got the fourteenth pick in this draft, which they

708
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: used on bub Carrington, who's got a big kind of

709
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: scoring guard. Right, they got a future first round draft

710
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: pick out of it, and the Malcolm Brogden, who they

711
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: might be able to flip for even more draft compensation

712
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 2: this summer. Right, so like they're just trying to start

713
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: their rebuild, Right, I should say, restart their rebuild right

714
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: like they took Alex Sar at number two. You're going

715
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: all in on youth. If you have a guy in

716
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: the rebuild that doesn't fit your timeline or doesn't fit

717
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 2: the build that you're going for, you got to move

718
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: in for compensation. That's what they did with Avdya as

719
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: far as Portland goes. From what I understand, it was

720
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 2: just a move about saving money because apparently they're in

721
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: the luxury tax Yeah, you heard that right. The Blazers

722
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: are a luxury tax team right now. Before the deal,

723
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: they had four players on the books for next season,

724
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: combining to make one hundred and twelve million dollars in trading.

725
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: Malcolm Brogden helps them relieve some of that. Next question,

726
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: what makes you think JJ's going to run five? That

727
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: isn't Darvin's team anymore. JJ Redick's offensive pilosophy is five out.

728
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: It's also the setup that most benefits this roster. The

729
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: stretch that they had in the second half of the

730
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: season was the best offensive basketball the Lakers have played

731
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: in the Lebron era. It's just what makes the most

732
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: sense given their personnel. I think JJ's gonna add complications

733
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: and make it even better. I think he's gonna help

734
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: them get it to the next level. And then the

735
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: Lakers do not have a movement shooter, and so bringing

736
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: Dalton Connect into that situation is a huge value in

737
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: five out. When you have these bigs running these dribble

738
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: handoffs and ball screens, having a guy that can fly

739
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: off of that and if you're not attached, can shoot.

740
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: That forces the screen defender to actually show on Dalton

741
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: Connect as he's coming off of those actions. That's what

742
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: opens up roles and slips for Anthony Davis and Lebron James.

743
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: That's a dynamic in the offense that wasn't there last year.

744
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: So JJ is a five out coach, it's the perfect

745
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: fit for this roster. And with him just kind of

746
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: adding complications. In the addition of Dalton Connect, I just

747
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: expect a better version of the Laker off heading into

748
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: next year. Why do you talk about Julius Randall as

749
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: if he's just some sort of ancillary piece and not

750
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: a two time All NBA player that is a key

751
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: cog on this team. I have a ton of respect

752
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: for Julius Randall. I think he is a player that's

753
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: a little bit underrated in terms of what his ceiling is,

754
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: as we've seen him make all NBA teams before. It

755
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: has a couple It has to do with a couple

756
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: of things. One, injury history has just been consistently unavailable

757
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: and as a result unavailable and or playing injured, which

758
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: has led to poor results. That's been part of it.

759
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: And then two it's I don't think it's the right

760
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: type of fit with this offense. The Knicks, I think

761
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: are going to be a pretty active five out team

762
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: next year with a lot of ball in player movement.

763
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: Julius Randall is a ball stopper. In order to play

764
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: in five out you have to be able to read

765
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: and react and make quick decisions, and those are not

766
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: strengths for Randalls. So it's not about whether or not

767
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: Randall's good enough to be your second or third best

768
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: player on a championship team. It has everything to do

769
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: with whether or not he's the appropriate use of resources

770
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: for this team, because he does make a lot of money.

771
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: Because you do need to get a player that can

772
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: play alongside McHale, bridges In Jalen Brunson and Dante Devincenzo

773
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: and og And andob and So here's the thing. You

774
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: just look at the trade market. And by the way,

775
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: I in my breakdown talked about what it would look

776
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: like if Randall stays. Randal stays, I'd probably take Dante

777
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 2: Devincenzo to the bench and play mckal bridges at the two.

778
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in like play your best players,

779
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: So like I'd play Brunson, Bridges og Randall. You know,

780
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: just just go all in your on your talent. If

781
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: you do that, you have a small ball look for

782
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: the Celtics where you can play Devincenzo at the two

783
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: and play Bridges, An andob and Randall at the three

784
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: four five. Like there's a version of this that works

785
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: with Randall. My thing is I would just I would

786
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: pruise the market. I'd pruise the market, and I would

787
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: just look to see what you can get for Randall,

788
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: because if you can get quality pieces or assets back

789
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: that fit the actual motion of the team better, then

790
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: that makes sense to me. Or like, like, let's say,

791
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: for instance, from a money standpoint, what if you have

792
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: the ability to withstand a lot long term deal for

793
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: Isaiah Hartenstein by virtue of getting rid of Randall. I'd

794
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 2: rather have Hartenstein at the five alongside Anonobe, Bridges, Devincenzo,

795
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: and Brunson than have Randall on the team, but lose

796
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: Isaiah Hartenstein a free agency right. So like they just

797
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: got to figure out what makes the most sense in

798
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 2: terms of what Randall's value is this summer. But at

799
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I just view him as

800
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of a clunky fit, even if I

801
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: do respect him as a player, and so I would

802
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: at least be exploring options to make better use of

803
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: his salary slot. Next question, my buddies were having an

804
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: argument on whether or not Caruso should start over Dort.

805
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm of the belief that Dort would be better in

806
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: their driving kick offense than Cruso, but Cruso on some

807
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: nights might be on the floor and closing lineups over

808
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: Dort because of his knack to make winning plays. Also,

809
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: my buddy feels like Chet is best with this group

810
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: at the five, but I feel like they should look

811
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: at him at the four. What are your thoughts couple things.

812
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: Let's start with Chet as far as whether or not

813
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: he plays the four or the five. It all just

814
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: depends on what kind of player. Like if you're getting

815
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: Isaiah Hartenstein at the center. I like that alongside Chet

816
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: at the four because Isaiah Hartenstein is just a complete

817
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: just just a pain in the ass on the glass right,

818
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: which would address a specific need for Oklahoma City. He's

819
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: a great five out, big, great dribble handoff folkram who

820
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: can score on the roll and is a great offensive rebounder,

821
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: also a great passer out of those situations. Love the

822
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: fit there. Chet is a shoe in obvious fit at

823
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: the four. If that's the case, I like Chet at

824
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: the five if you can get him a big power forward,

825
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: Like if you got a Jeremy Grant at that position.

826
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: I like Jeremy Grant Chet home grind four to five.

827
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: It all just depends on the type of player you

828
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: can get. I don't want Chet at the four next

829
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: to a bad center, and I don't want Shed at

830
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: the five next to a bad power forward. It just

831
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: depends on what kind of player that you can get.

832
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 2: As far as Cruso and Dort, they're two very different

833
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: types of players. Dort is like a more confident shooter

834
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: and a guy that has a little bit more offensive upside,

835
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: but Cruso is a higher floor offensive player. He is

836
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 2: a better decision maker. He's not going to hijack as

837
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: many possessions, really active off ball as a screener and

838
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: a cutter watching him play on offense alongside Lebron James

839
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: as a as a result of that kind of thing,

840
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: I think defensively, he's a different type of player. I

841
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: think Cruso is probably a better defensive player in terms

842
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: of the overall number of guys he can guard. But Dort,

843
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: I think is better for the bigger forwards, which is

844
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: especially valuable in the later rounds of the playoffs when

845
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: you run into your Lucas and your Tatum's and your

846
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: Lebron's and your Kds and your Kawhi Leonards and just

847
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: those all these huge forwards that we have in the league. So,

848
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: like Dort, in all in all likelihood, it's it's just

849
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: it's just optionality, right, Like there will be games where

850
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: you close with jub Shay, Dort, Crusoe and Chet. There

851
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: will be games where you close with Cruso in for

852
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: Dort and with another big on the floor. There will

853
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: be games where Cruso doesn't close, right, So like it's

854
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: all about optional. Optionality is a good thing. You have

855
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: the ability to tweak your approach based on your opponent,

856
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: And so again you can't have enough. You can't have

857
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: too many good basketball players, right and Cruso is just

858
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: another really good basketball player. And again you turn the

859
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: players didn't fit in your team and giddy into a

860
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: player and cruise so that you're gonna be able to

861
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: play one way or another. It is just a question

862
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: of how often. Next question, with the Knicks acquiring McHale Bridges,

863
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: do you now have them as the second best team

864
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: in the East. If so, who would you have as

865
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: your top four teams in these absolutely would have the

866
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: Knicks at number two right now. I think Milwaukee and

867
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: Philly will end up being the three and four, and

868
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: both of those teams are capable of passing the Knicks

869
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: for me at number two. But it's just so much

870
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: as up in the air with them. I have no

871
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: idea what Philly's roster is going to look like next year,

872
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: and I have no idea what Milwaukee's roster is going

873
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: to look like next year. Philly damn near has a

874
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: clean cap sheet, and Milwaukee is probably going to look

875
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: to make several trades this summer. So like, I just

876
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: don't know what those teams are gonna look like I

877
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: also think Orlando could crack into that mix this year,

878
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: especially if they get some more off ball shooting. Like

879
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: the East is gonna be tougher next year and certainly

880
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: more deep with talent. But I think at this point,

881
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: given what we know for sure, I think the Knicks

882
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: are clearly the second best team in the league. Did

883
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: you watch the JJ Reddick press conference. I think he

884
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: showed that he has the right mentality about taking the

885
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: job and knows what he's getting into and still seemed

886
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: very confident. His answers in Chrismo were very impressive. In

887
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: my opinion, I think he'll be able to connect with

888
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: the players. Well, we'd love to hear your thoughts. Everyone

889
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: knew JJ was gonna n aile the press conference. I

890
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: liked the JJ higher, but the press conference for me

891
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a major swing factor in that regard.

892
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: Is just he's a professional. He's ammediate professional. Like it's

893
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: just like he's good at being in front of camera

894
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: and communicating his thoughts. And the thing that stood out

895
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: to me like his attitude came through in a big way,

896
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: which is like we see JJ Reddick as the media professional,

897
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 2: but we forget he was a basketball asshole. And that's

898
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: a good thing in my opinion, right, Like, that's the competitiveness, right,

899
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: Like that's the best kind of guy that you want,

900
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: is the guy that, like, when it's go time is

901
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: a motherfucker, and then when it's off the court is

902
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: a nice guy. Right, And like that's the kind of

903
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: like competitive energy that you're looking for.

904
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: Right.

905
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: You don't want him to grade on people behind the scenes,

906
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: but you need him to be in the trenches warrior,

907
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: right like it. And so that's kind of what I'm

908
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: hoping for from JJ is the ability to do both,

909
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: the ability to be diplomatic, the ability to be an asshole.

910
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: Right.

911
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: And if you can do both, that's what gives you

912
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: the ability to kind of like pick your spots of

913
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: when to be hard and when to not. To identify

914
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: different personality types, like, oh, this guy needs positive reinforcement,

915
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: this guy needs negative reinforcement. As a basketball player, I

916
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: needed negative reinforcement. I needed a guy. I needed my

917
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: coaches to name call and tell me to stop being

918
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: a bitch and to do that sort of that sort

919
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: of thing resonated with me better. But I had teammates

920
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: that like needed more coddling, that needed more positive reinforcement, right,

921
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: and so like it just it's that's the type of

922
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: personality dynamic that JJ is gonna have to to figure out.

923
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: And I actually think he's got the ability to do both.

924
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: Like he can do the good cop bad cop thing,

925
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: and he can bring that competitive energy. I think, Like

926
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: I think the attitude about when he got asked the

927
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: question about when he got asked the question where he

928
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: basically said, like, I don't give a when he was

929
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 2: talking about what people think, Like, I think that energy

930
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: will serve him well because this is a job that's

931
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: gonna come with a lot of criticism, this is a

932
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: job that's gonna come with a lot of negative energy online,

933
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be a certain amount of mental toughness

934
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: that he's gonna have to show. But did the press

935
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: conference surprise me in anyway? No, JJ's a professional. But

936
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: I just I loved it. We got to see a

937
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: little bit of his nasty side because I think that's

938
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: gonna be a significant part of what makes him a

939
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: good coach. All Right, we have three non basketball things

940
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: before we get out of here. Jason, I'm listening to

941
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: basketball content. I don't want spoilers for an episode I

942
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: haven't seen yet. That's not cool. I am sincerely sorry.

943
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: In our we did a mail bag, not a mail bag.

944
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 2: I had a comment about the Acolyte the other day

945
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: and I kind of spoiled what happens in the first

946
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: couple of minutes of the show, and I should not

947
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: have done that. That was a mistake. I am so sorry.

948
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: Second one, comments about my nose. There were like twenty

949
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: or thirty of you guys who asked what happened to

950
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: my nose? I had that scratch on it. Those of

951
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: you who guessed basketball were correct. I was high pointing

952
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: a rebound and a guard tried to like swipe up

953
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: at the basketball as I was coming down with it

954
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: and like just missed everything, and like it was weird,

955
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: like just straight up came across the tip of my

956
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: nose with his fingernail, so like I didn't bust my

957
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: nose or anything, but I just had this like really

958
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: clean cut, which was super bizarre, like immediately started bleeding

959
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: and everything. I obviously was super annoyed, but it is

960
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 2: what it is. It's part of the game. I'm actually

961
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about it. I am shocked that

962
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: that hasn't happened to me more often since I started

963
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: doing this, Cause, like I've been doing this on camera

964
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: every day for two and a half years, and this

965
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: is the first time I've had like a significant, like

966
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: obvious face injury, right, And like it's not the first

967
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: time it's happened to be playing basketball. I've got busted

968
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: in the nose a bunch of times. I've had cuts

969
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: and scratches, And I remember when I was just before

970
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 2: I started playing in college. I was playing pickup at

971
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: the University of Arizona one time, and this guy tried

972
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: to take a charge on me at half court. Like

973
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: I made a move in the open floor, running full speed,

974
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: and the dude's slid in front of me and fell

975
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: down and I ran into his head, and I had

976
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: like an inch long Harry Potter scar which I still

977
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: have right here, that goes up my forehead literally split open.

978
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 2: He was bleeding. Ever, it was actually kind of funny

979
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: because the kid who did it was a med student.

980
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 2: So like suddenly as soon as I am like laying

981
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 2: on the ground bleeding everywhere, the guy like started taking

982
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: care of me as if he was a medical professional,

983
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: and it was so funny because he was doing he

984
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: was super nice and he was doing all the right

985
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: things and he was just trying to take care of me.

986
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I'm like, you just took

987
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: a charge on me in a pickup game at half court.

988
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: Now my forehead's busted. I was just I was so

989
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: damn annoyed. But it's part of the game. Like I

990
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: played basketball competitively four or five times a week, and

991
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: so it's not the first time or it is. It's

992
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: not the first time I've had a scratch on my

993
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: face or some sort of laceration from basketball, and it

994
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: probably won't be the last. And thankful that it hasn't

995
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: happened too many times since I got started with the volume.

996
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: Last question, Hey, Jason, loved the show. Wanted to start

997
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: watching Star Wars, but I don't know where to start.

998
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: Do you have any ideas? And again, before I get

999
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: into this, I wanted to remind you guys, I do

1000
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: have a podcast where I cover TV shows and movies.

1001
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm covering House of the Dragon as well

1002
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: as The Acolyte. I do it with my buddy Luke,

1003
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: who's my best friend. We do it right here in

1004
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: this studio. Very different vibe than Hoops Tonight, but it's

1005
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: another format that I use. This is the name of

1006
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: the show. It's called Two Sons as spelled exactly as

1007
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: it sounds. You can find it on YouTube as well

1008
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: as on your podcast feeds wherever you get your podcasts.

1009
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: We do pretty much like bi weekly content on that account.

1010
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: You guys can check that out there. But no secret,

1011
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: I'm a diehard Star Wars fan, and if you were

1012
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: starting from scratch with Star Wars, I'd start with the

1013
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: movies and I do them in order because I think

1014
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: that would make the most sense. So I'd watch Phantom Menace,

1015
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, then a

1016
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: New Hope, Empire strikes Back, Return of the Jedi. The

1017
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: sequel trilogy sucks, but you gotta watch it, just by

1018
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 2: virtue of just being aware of what happened after that.

1019
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Clone Wars and Rebels are really really good. Those are two.

1020
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: There are two cartoons that are on Disney Plus. But

1021
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: don't let the cartoon thing fool you. They are like deep, deep,

1022
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 2: deep Star Wars content. There's a little bit of like

1023
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: a childish element that you'll run into on occasional episodes,

1024
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: but the majority of it is really good. Rebels in

1025
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: particular was just an awesome, awesome show. All the Disney

1026
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 2: Plus content is good. Mandalorian Kenobi was good, Ahsoka the Acolyte,

1027
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: and then books if you're into the book side of it,

1028
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: Darth Baine books are really good. The Darth Plagis book

1029
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 2: is really good. The Throng books are some of my favorites.

1030
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: They're getting into thrown in the Ahsoka TV series that

1031
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: would be a good one. And then if you had

1032
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: the High Republic, a series I'm struggling with right now

1033
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: because it's a little bit weird, but that is some

1034
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: stuff that helps set up the world for the Acolytes,

1035
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: so it might be worth checking out. But that's just

1036
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 2: like an initial kind of list if you're looking to

1037
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: get into Star Wars. But again, those of you guys

1038
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: who are already fans, don't forget I had that other

1039
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 2: podcast for where we break that sort of thing down.

1040
00:49:59,640 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: All right.

1041
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: That is all I have for today is always sincerely

1042
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 2: appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show,

1043
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: for taking the rest of the weekend off, and we

1044
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: will be back on Monday. For the start of free agency,

1045
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: and I will see you guys.

1046
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: Then the volume